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[653.22 --> 658.22] Well, you know, some of these compute module boards have NVMe slots and stuff. |
[658.90 --> 660.46] Or PCI Express slots. |
[661.24 --> 665.32] It's still an order of magnitude better than the SD card. |
[665.94 --> 666.60] Yeah, oh, for sure. |
[666.98 --> 667.50] Yeah, for sure. |
[667.50 --> 671.44] At what point do we sit back and think we're flogging a dead horse here, you know? |
[671.96 --> 676.66] Everything you've just told me, there wasn't a single thing that made me think, oh, I need this now. |
[677.04 --> 682.32] Like, when I first saw the link, I was like, huh, okay, now I'm going to take this seriously. |
[682.44 --> 684.20] But hearing what you've just said, I'm like, oh. |
[685.28 --> 685.56] Yeah. |
[686.20 --> 687.46] Reality doesn't match. |
[687.46 --> 700.36] I mean, you could use, like I do on my Pi 4 servers in the RV, you could use an external USB 3 SSD, which I never would have done until I was in this situation. |
[700.60 --> 702.38] And I can't believe how well it's worked. |
[702.58 --> 703.62] It's embarrassing. |
[704.42 --> 708.16] Like, what am I, two years now into using these things with SSDs that are over USB? |
[708.38 --> 708.82] It's stupid. |
[708.94 --> 710.16] It shouldn't be working, but it is. |
[710.16 --> 711.52] So you could go that route. |
[711.66 --> 718.08] Or, you know, I'm going to get the IO board that I think has a PCI-1X express slot on it. |
[718.32 --> 719.30] And I want to get an MV. |
[719.36 --> 722.98] I already have an MVME adapter for that, that I'm going to try that. |
[725.10 --> 730.22] The other area that's a bit of a limit in terms of performance is thermals. |
[730.94 --> 732.58] So this thing runs hot. |
[732.58 --> 738.02] I think there's not a lot of room between the router board and the compute module. |
[738.46 --> 739.56] So it runs warm. |
[740.30 --> 743.28] And I was throwing different jobs at it. |
[743.34 --> 746.42] Like, I thought, let's, this is a great opportunity to try out Jellyfin again. |
[746.52 --> 747.60] It's been a couple of years. |
[748.16 --> 751.30] And so I tossed Jellyfin on there and had it scan my library. |
[751.38 --> 754.48] And the CPU got up to like 181 degrees Fahrenheit, which is pretty hot. |
[755.12 --> 758.90] Then I started a build of net data while the library scan was going on. |
[758.98 --> 760.92] And it got up to 186 degrees. |
[760.92 --> 764.92] Sorry, in real numbers, that's 82 Celsius. |
[765.50 --> 765.78] Right. |
[766.02 --> 768.06] I ain't dealing in your freedom units, dude. |
[768.12 --> 769.46] I know I live here, but still. |
[769.98 --> 773.76] I think I saw it got up to 85 Celsius is the highest I saw it get somewhere out there. |
[773.80 --> 774.54] I mean, that's warm. |
[774.68 --> 775.78] I mean, you know, Intel. |
[775.78 --> 777.14] That's where it starts to thermal throttle, though. |
[777.54 --> 781.32] You know, real CPUs, air quotes, real CPUs get up to, what, 100? |
[781.70 --> 783.42] And then they start throttling. |
[783.70 --> 785.16] So 85 is okay. |
[785.28 --> 785.74] It's warm. |
[786.42 --> 786.56] Yeah. |
[786.56 --> 787.64] No, it's fine. |
[787.76 --> 789.26] And it'll handle it all. |
[789.26 --> 794.34] It's literally been going now for more than 24 hours. |
[794.68 --> 799.18] And I'm still getting like 1.5 gigahertz out of most of the cores most of the time. |
[799.40 --> 801.42] It's going as we record right now. |
[801.42 --> 812.98] So if you put a heat sink or you put it in a case with a fan, I think you'd get a little bit less thermal throttling out of this thing is kind of what my takeaway was, because this is just naked. |
[813.78 --> 814.86] You know, it's just absolutely naked. |
[815.44 --> 817.80] I saw decent performance on the network transfer. |
[817.80 --> 823.94] I will have a better take on how it works as a router after I've, you know, gone through all of the paces there. |
[824.10 --> 828.38] But I don't have a super fast connection to deal with. |
[828.72 --> 837.96] So I was getting around 600 megabits out of the interface that's connected to USB, which is the ETH1. |
[838.80 --> 840.56] 600 megabits is doable for me. |
[840.56 --> 843.72] I have a 300 megabit Comcast connection, right? |
[844.24 --> 845.64] I have a gigabit LAN. |
[846.02 --> 849.02] So the LAN interface, that's on the PCI bus. |
[849.30 --> 849.96] That'll be full. |
[850.06 --> 852.68] That's like you get nearly 900 megabits a second out of that thing. |
[853.46 --> 862.74] And because the interface connected to USB is still twice as fast as my internet connection, I don't really think it's going to be a problem. |
[862.74 --> 868.92] The only other downside I could foresee is that stuff on the USB bus also takes more CPU. |
[869.38 --> 872.20] So I could see it putting more load on the box. |
[872.28 --> 874.78] So I won't know until I put this thing into production in that regard. |
[875.16 --> 885.04] But as far as like this, could this work as I can no longer wait for the Home Assistant Amber to arrive because of part delays or something. |
[885.12 --> 886.28] So I'm going to deploy this. |
[886.36 --> 887.20] Could it work as that? |
[887.26 --> 887.50] Yes. |
[887.50 --> 893.64] I think this would be a pretty good upgrade from my current Pi setup as servers. |
[893.76 --> 901.52] I think this compute module on a board, especially maybe the IO board, which is arriving tonight after we record, funny enough. |
[901.64 --> 904.04] If it just would have showed up a little earlier, I could have told you. |
[904.22 --> 906.32] But I bought it like two days later. |
[906.44 --> 908.10] And so, of course, it's showing up a little late. |
[908.52 --> 912.38] But I think that has real potential for me to build a server platform around. |
[912.84 --> 915.92] And when I look at this and what do I get out of it? |
[915.92 --> 920.82] What I get out of it is two to three watts of power draw, even when it's being slammed. |
[921.32 --> 922.68] That's massive for me. |
[923.12 --> 932.68] And to get dual network ports and to have additional IO, depending on which board you put the compute module into, while having access to the Raspberry Pi ecosystem of support. |
[932.68 --> 949.06] And at this point, you can pull down Arch, Fedora, Alma Linux, and, of course, CentOS, and RHEL, and Ubuntu that all just work out of the box using the generic ARM64 ISO image now. |
[949.20 --> 950.62] And they work with this stuff. |
[950.62 --> 956.72] And so we've gotten past the point where you've got to go find this very specific image to get it all to work. |
[957.14 --> 963.32] And that opens the door up to a lot more people, in my opinion, and a lot more standard server-type operating systems. |
[963.66 --> 970.32] Just in time for the Raspberry Pi 5 to come in and require a whole new bunch of esoteric builds. |
[970.60 --> 971.32] I wonder. |
[971.76 --> 972.68] Yeah, you're probably right. |
[972.68 --> 972.72] All right. |
[973.08 --> 973.80] We'll see. |
[974.66 --> 983.86] I also, after I was reading through the thread that Jeff had started, I found another board that he's talked about before in the past that has both NICs on the PCI bus. |
[985.30 --> 986.74] Yeah, so I ordered that one. |
[987.02 --> 987.84] Of course you did. |
[987.96 --> 988.32] Of course you did. |
[988.32 --> 989.44] It was like 30 bucks. |
[989.58 --> 990.14] So, like, why not? |
[990.26 --> 990.40] Right? |
[990.74 --> 995.22] Once you've got the compute module, this is where this is actually quite a powerful little thing. |
[995.96 --> 996.04] Right. |
[996.04 --> 999.98] For those that aren't familiar, the compute module is slightly smaller than the Pi 4 itself. |
[999.98 --> 1004.04] And it just sort of pops into a daughter board, if you like. |
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