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[200.96 --> 203.34] So you couldn't get access to your WISE devices. |
[204.00 --> 209.26] And as they expand into door locks and other things like that, motion sensors and whatnot, |
[209.42 --> 210.80] like that matters a lot. |
[210.80 --> 212.50] It absolutely does. |
[212.72 --> 212.84] Yeah. |
[212.92 --> 221.20] I mean, I'm not party to any of the internal Amazon discussions that, you know, is to root |
[221.20 --> 222.60] cause analysis and that kind of thing. |
[222.60 --> 230.12] But what I do find interesting are the butterfly effect impacts to smart home users. |
[230.50 --> 235.58] There's things like, we've put a few links in the show notes that I just got from Twitter |
[235.58 --> 238.48] by typing in smart home AWS outage. |
[238.80 --> 243.04] And I found people whose Christmas lights weren't working, whose robo vacs weren't working, |
[243.18 --> 249.16] whose smart plugs had stopped working, all because the cloud in US East 1 had stopped working. |
[249.16 --> 254.48] And I mean, you know, stuff like my home assistant, Nebu Kasa, that stopped working for a few |
[254.48 --> 258.38] hours because that must have some reliance somewhere on Amazon. |
[258.84 --> 263.98] And, you know, you look at the way in which AWS tell you to architect your systems, you |
[263.98 --> 266.94] know, they pioneered the availability zone concept. |
[267.20 --> 269.06] They pioneered the multi-region concept. |
[270.24 --> 277.12] The trouble is certain core services like Route 53, for example, their DNS service are based |
[277.12 --> 278.14] out of US East 1. |
[278.14 --> 284.00] So if that site goes down, doesn't matter how highly available your system is, you can |
[284.00 --> 286.02] still be impacted by outages like this. |
[286.84 --> 287.12] Mm-hmm. |
[287.52 --> 287.88] Mm-hmm. |
[288.40 --> 288.76] Yeah. |
[288.84 --> 295.18] And there's so many things that you end up using that are either services, applications, |
[295.50 --> 299.02] or devices that become dependent on something like Amazon. |
[299.28 --> 301.00] And you don't even know it until it's out. |
[301.26 --> 306.42] Like, I didn't realize some of the podcasting tools we were using actually were on Amazon. |
[306.42 --> 308.64] And we're using that particular data center. |
[308.76 --> 311.54] I found out, though, I found out the hard way. |
[311.54 --> 316.20] It makes you really stop and think about the homogenization of the internet in general, |
[316.40 --> 316.64] really. |
[316.78 --> 318.72] You know, stuff like Cloudflare and Amazon. |
[319.66 --> 321.02] To some extent, Google. |
[321.52 --> 326.60] Although I don't think their compute is terribly well utilized, although I'm probably way off |
[326.60 --> 328.58] base with that, given how big Google itself is. |
[329.62 --> 330.46] Azure as well. |
[330.58 --> 334.40] You know, there's five or six companies that control the lion's share of the internet's |
[334.40 --> 334.70] traffic. |
[334.70 --> 338.38] And if one of those companies has a problem, then we all do. |
[338.58 --> 344.54] Which makes me question, what's the point in architecting for high availability and spending |
[344.54 --> 351.52] all these hours spinning our wheels on Kubernetes clusters and all these other complex abstractions |
[351.52 --> 358.24] on top of these sandcastles, effectively, of cloud architecture, when no matter how much |
[358.24 --> 363.46] work I put in to keep something available, something completely beyond my control somewhere else |
[363.46 --> 365.96] down the pipe is going to cause a blockage. |
[367.12 --> 371.08] Yeah, the other thing that drives me kind of crazy about it is we're really not taking |
[371.08 --> 376.60] advantage of some of the strengths of TCP IP and the way the internet can be routed around. |
[376.96 --> 380.80] It really lends itself to a decentralized internet. |
[380.80 --> 385.70] And what we've done for convenience and quality of service and whatever is we've centralized. |
[386.50 --> 391.58] And we're ignoring one of the key original design strengths of the whole network by doing |
[391.58 --> 391.86] so. |
[392.40 --> 396.96] And I don't know if the solution is all of us, you know, we just self-host even harder. |
[397.48 --> 402.04] I mean, that definitely helps isolate us individuals from these outages. |
[402.04 --> 408.68] But there are circles of the internet that are talking more and more about decentralization |
[408.68 --> 414.48] and ways they can become more available and less of a single point of failure. |
[414.96 --> 420.94] I was just talking with Dave Jones, who is behind podcastindex.org, and they're using IPFS |
[420.94 --> 426.12] for some of their file storage, trying to prevent any single point of failure for a server outage. |
[426.12 --> 431.84] Which really makes you stop and think, like, the Mars rover, or the Mars copter, I think, |
[431.98 --> 434.74] is vulnerable to this Log4j vulnerability. |
[435.00 --> 440.38] Like, there's just so much, there's so many libraries, there's so much abstraction between |
[440.38 --> 441.84] us and the hardware these days. |
[441.84 --> 446.30] It's really impossible for a mere mortal to keep track of where all this stuff and where |
[446.30 --> 447.86] all these dependencies are going to lie. |
[447.86 --> 454.90] So, you know, I don't know what the answer is with regards to AWS, because clearly they |
[454.90 --> 457.30] are the dominant force in cloud computing. |
[457.54 --> 465.74] But so far as I'm concerned, in my own personal fiefdom of my house, I, you know, I didn't |
[465.74 --> 469.40] really notice a huge amount on the day-to-day, except for the Nebukasa stuff. |
[469.50 --> 473.38] When I was at the supermarket, I wanted to just turn the heating down a bit, because I thought |
[473.38 --> 475.92] we were coming straight home and we weren't, you know. |
[475.92 --> 476.12] Yeah. |
[477.12 --> 479.40] Besides that, I didn't really notice a huge impact. |
[480.22 --> 480.32] Yeah. |
[480.38 --> 486.88] And that's because I use things like WLED for my smart lights, and ValiTudo for my RoboVac, |
[486.98 --> 488.62] and Tasmota for all my smart plugs. |
[489.16 --> 496.46] All of those things are basically disconnected from the internet, and I fully own those pieces |
[496.46 --> 502.62] of hardware now, so that no matter what happens to those cloud services, I'm good. |
[502.62 --> 506.88] And this isn't to say, you know, local good, cloud bad, because sometimes there are benefits |
[506.88 --> 507.80] to cloud services. |
[508.06 --> 513.26] But more and more, I think the layperson is beginning to understand, maybe a bit like the |
[513.26 --> 517.16] privacy argument, there's just been enough times it's happened now, where they're thinking, |
[517.34 --> 520.54] hmm, hold on a minute, maybe there is something to this metadata collection. |
[520.70 --> 524.08] Maybe there is something to this internet of shit type stuff. |
[524.08 --> 526.58] Maybe there is. |
[526.64 --> 526.78] Yeah. |
[527.10 --> 527.92] That's a good point. |
[527.98 --> 532.44] It's like, it is maybe each outage is kind of pushing it into a new wave of people that |
[532.44 --> 534.46] are recognizing the problem. |
[534.76 --> 536.92] I kind of just have this general philosophy, too. |
[536.98 --> 542.04] It's like, for an application to be whole, I prefer as much of it to be on my LAN, in |
[542.04 --> 548.06] part for security and privacy, but also, you know, I started using the internet in an era |
[548.06 --> 549.20] of very limited bandwidth. |
[549.20 --> 554.28] I sometimes still have very limited bandwidth, and I don't like just extra chatter going |
[554.28 --> 556.52] out over my internet connection that doesn't need to. |
[557.12 --> 559.10] Every packet matters, in my opinion. |
[559.36 --> 564.20] And why send spammy little packets that are just maybe like messages back and forth for |
[564.20 --> 566.34] what I'm typing, when I could run all that on my LAN? |
[566.80 --> 574.18] So that definitely is a mindset of mine that sort of has kind of, I guess, paid off over |
[574.18 --> 574.64] the years. |
[575.02 --> 577.22] You know, old man doesn't want to use up his modem bandwidth. |
[577.22 --> 584.62] But, you know, as we just modernize and more things go online, there's also just things |
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