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[2366.80 --> 2368.96] It's just the reality of physics right now. |
[2369.06 --> 2371.52] And I just so completely agree with Alex. |
[2371.58 --> 2375.98] I have a buddy right now who is building a tiny home and it's a really cool place. |
[2375.98 --> 2387.66] And in this tiny home, which is probably 250 square feet, I don't actually know, he has 18 ethernet jacks in different places. |
[2387.66 --> 2389.36] Some of them are multiple panels and stuff. |
[2389.62 --> 2391.12] But, you know, you think about it. |
[2391.20 --> 2392.40] That's how he's going to do his phone. |
[2392.72 --> 2394.18] That's how he's going to do all of his TV. |
[2394.46 --> 2396.58] HDMI is going to be over ethernet in the wall. |
[2397.12 --> 2398.46] That's how he's going to do all of his cameras. |
[2398.60 --> 2399.88] That's how he's going to do his desk. |
[2400.24 --> 2402.36] That's how he's going to bring his internet connection in. |
[2403.02 --> 2405.92] I really just completely, totally agree with you, Alex. |
[2406.24 --> 2408.76] And it would be nice as well not to have to daisy chain switches. |
[2409.18 --> 2413.60] One of the ways in which I extend the ethernet around some of the larger rooms in this house, |
[2414.26 --> 2419.28] in walls that are more difficult to pull cable through, like external walls, stuff with insulation in, |
[2419.74 --> 2423.72] I actually just run an ethernet cable along the skirting board, the baseboard, |
[2423.72 --> 2427.58] and then have a switch and then just carry on. |
[2427.66 --> 2431.86] So actually, if I think about it between the switch that's carrying my voice to you, |
[2432.46 --> 2433.90] there's probably four switches. |
[2435.02 --> 2437.04] It's a horrible network design, but it works. |
[2437.04 --> 2441.66] I wish I could shake up so many industries too, like the hotel industries should all be putting |
[2441.66 --> 2443.38] ethernet in the rooms for me to use. |
[2443.94 --> 2444.40] RVs? |
[2444.46 --> 2448.92] Oh my gosh, Alex, I wish the RV manufacturers would build an ethernet to every RV. |
[2449.48 --> 2450.72] All home manufacturers. |
[2450.96 --> 2452.72] You shouldn't build a home today without ethernet. |
[2452.82 --> 2455.64] And it's happening still, Alex, in 2021. |
[2455.64 --> 2458.92] Without ethernet, but also without a proper server cupboard. |
[2459.50 --> 2464.56] And I think, you know, having some kind of a central place where all that ethernet comes into |
[2464.56 --> 2469.94] with a patch panel and space for all the different bridges that you need these days, |
[2470.02 --> 2474.42] your Zigbee bridge, your Z-Wave bridge, your Philips Hue light bulb bridge, |
[2474.90 --> 2475.74] all this kind of stuff. |
[2475.80 --> 2478.98] Like the solar installer came and did a survey on my roof last week, |
[2478.98 --> 2481.68] and he said, can I take a look at your internet router? |
[2481.68 --> 2488.50] And I'm like, okay, this is going to be complicated unless you tell me why you need to see that. |
[2489.52 --> 2493.84] And he said, well, we have this monitoring thing that connects via Zigbee to the solar |
[2493.84 --> 2498.34] on the roof and does a bunch of, you know, consumption monitoring stuff. |
[2498.44 --> 2500.30] And I said, okay, so tell me what you need. |
[2500.34 --> 2501.44] Is it just an ethernet jack? |
[2501.50 --> 2502.28] And he went, yes. |
[2502.46 --> 2503.70] I'm like, I've got you covered. |
[2504.96 --> 2506.62] Yeah, that's a great example. |
[2506.80 --> 2509.00] But just so many other things. |
[2509.00 --> 2515.76] Like you'll have like your ISPs box you need to put somewhere and like a phone or a cable television thing |
[2515.76 --> 2517.36] if you go that route. |
[2517.54 --> 2522.12] So absolutely think of that and think of noise because some of these things that you're going to have in that space, |
[2522.16 --> 2525.12] like a switch, have very loud fans. |
[2525.72 --> 2529.58] Also, just before we completely go away from ethernet, label, man. |
[2530.20 --> 2535.44] The first, a couple of times, the first time and then a second time, but no, no, nonsense. |
[2535.44 --> 2539.60] But a couple of times, twice in a row, unfortunately, I got screwed. |
[2539.76 --> 2542.48] And the guys that did my ethernet didn't properly label stuff. |
[2542.72 --> 2544.52] And it is such a pain in the arse. |
[2544.92 --> 2545.80] Let me tell you. |
[2546.22 --> 2548.44] So label everything you're doing. |
[2548.68 --> 2549.68] Consider fan noise. |
[2549.84 --> 2550.62] Consider heat. |
[2551.12 --> 2552.30] Because that could also be a problem. |
[2552.36 --> 2558.52] Because if it was me, I would like to have my switch and my server and all of that in the same space. |
[2558.52 --> 2566.20] So if I were really designing everything from scratch, I may actually consider putting all of that in my garage where I have a little room built off. |
[2566.84 --> 2571.88] Anything you can do now is an investment that will save you problems later because you're going to have heat issues. |
[2571.88 --> 2573.06] You're going to have power issues. |
[2573.10 --> 2574.56] You're going to have noise problems. |
[2574.76 --> 2576.94] You're going to have growth and sprawl problems. |
[2576.94 --> 2581.60] So if you can give consideration to that in some way, I absolutely would think of that. |
[2581.66 --> 2588.68] And then also maybe if you're going to do cameras, consider doing something like PoE from the start and how you might build for that. |
[2589.16 --> 2589.22] Absolutely. |
[2589.70 --> 2594.24] And one of the other things I would consider in that server cupboard is you mentioned heating and cooling. |
[2594.46 --> 2598.84] But I would suggest if you can get a dedicated electrical circuit just for that equipment. |
[2598.84 --> 2608.60] It would make things much easier to troubleshoot if that room with thousands, probably thousands of dollars worth of equipment in it has its own electrical supply. |
[2609.04 --> 2613.34] And you could build a UPS type system in around it as well. |
[2613.58 --> 2616.78] But it's possible that that thing is going to be drawing quite a few amps. |
[2617.06 --> 2621.00] So it's worth having that separate circuit. |
[2621.56 --> 2628.04] And if you did later want to have like a backup power supply for that, or maybe you wanted even solar power or something like that. |
[2628.04 --> 2634.24] If you have that gear already isolated on its own circuit, that just got way simpler down the road. |
[2634.74 --> 2636.00] So that's something to think of too. |
[2636.56 --> 2639.76] And you really, I don't think you can overdo it with Ethernet. |
[2639.84 --> 2642.90] And I don't think you can overdo it with circuits for independent stuff. |
[2643.42 --> 2649.86] When I had my place built years and years ago, which I don't live in anymore, but I had a circuit for my home office. |
[2650.00 --> 2651.70] Oh, actually, and here I did it in the studio too. |
[2651.76 --> 2657.50] Now that I think about it, the studio has three separate power circuits just in the studio. |
[2657.50 --> 2662.74] The reason for that is really overkill because of ground loops and noise like that. |
[2663.32 --> 2669.56] And then our offices upstairs, each room upstairs is on its own circuit because we run so much computer gear. |
[2670.04 --> 2672.80] We didn't want to be popping each other's breakers. |
[2673.20 --> 2677.86] I never used to really worry about that when I lived in England because obviously everything's at 220 volts over there. |
[2677.96 --> 2679.48] So half the amps. |
[2680.00 --> 2683.58] But over here at 110 volts, it really makes a difference. |
[2683.58 --> 2685.66] Yeah, so those are, I don't think they're overkill. |
[2685.78 --> 2694.82] And the way you sell them is in long-term reliability and a reducement in replacements, in hacky solutions, and in stress. |
[2695.12 --> 2700.80] And just learning from people who have tried this the cheaper way and have had to make adjustments since. |
[2700.88 --> 2702.90] And if it's your only route, you'll make it work, man. |
[2702.90 --> 2703.38] No problem. |
[2703.38 --> 2709.72] But if you do have the ability to do some of this stuff ahead of time, man, future you is going to be so thankful. |
[2710.28 --> 2711.38] Yes, absolutely they will. |
[2711.50 --> 2718.96] Having retrofitted a few houses myself, I can tell you there is nothing worse than going through a crawl space with cockroaches trying to pull ethernet. |
[2719.16 --> 2720.92] So save yourself some headaches. |
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