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[3414.76 --> 3417.06] You have to take a certain approach.
[3417.50 --> 3419.92] But when you're not there, don't take that approach.
[3420.12 --> 3420.96] Take the simpler one.
[3421.32 --> 3421.42] Right.
[3421.48 --> 3425.42] And what this approach means for us is that we can innovate elsewhere.
[3425.48 --> 3425.70] Yes.
[3425.76 --> 3427.52] And we can fight other battles.
[3427.86 --> 3431.40] There will still be battles to fight, even if you don't do this one.
[3431.40 --> 3435.00] It doesn't mean that you're less capable or less curious.
[3435.18 --> 3438.22] It just means you've picked your battles in a way that suits you.
[3438.54 --> 3443.80] And one of these days, as a company, you'll get big enough where you need that more interesting,
[3444.00 --> 3444.92] innovative challenges.
[3445.40 --> 3448.44] And there will be companies like ours to help you out when that happens.
[3448.74 --> 3451.66] But please don't just assume you need that prematurely.
[3451.80 --> 3453.60] There's a similar thing with writing code.
[3454.00 --> 3459.96] I tell you, iterating on a code base, because I've spent half my career as an application developer
[3459.96 --> 3461.12] as well as operations.
[3461.48 --> 3466.26] Iterating on a code base before it's actually launched and in production is so much faster,
[3466.36 --> 3466.58] right?
[3466.86 --> 3469.20] You can make all kinds of schema changes.
[3469.44 --> 3470.12] Like, who cares?
[3470.66 --> 3471.16] Never ship.
[3471.24 --> 3471.94] That's what you're saying.
[3472.02 --> 3472.24] Yeah.
[3472.34 --> 3474.80] Basically, never ship and you'll be the fastest startup.
[3475.20 --> 3476.44] So the opposite of the show.
[3477.72 --> 3478.58] Don't ship it.
[3480.48 --> 3482.20] But I mean, it's the same thing.
[3482.46 --> 3486.36] You launch when you need to launch, but you understand the fact that as soon as you launch,
[3486.36 --> 3489.46] you're going to slow down by at least a factor of two, maybe three, right?
[3489.90 --> 3496.44] And you increase the complexity of your operations stance, your Kubernetes usage when you need
[3496.44 --> 3496.66] to.
[3496.76 --> 3500.46] And you understand, I mean, even embracing Kubernetes, you do it when you need to.
[3500.54 --> 3503.46] And you understand that that much complexity is going to slow you down.
[3504.08 --> 3505.10] Yeah, that's a good one.
[3505.20 --> 3505.86] That is a good one.
[3505.96 --> 3507.84] So I think it's time to wrap up.
[3507.88 --> 3509.14] We can have so much fun.
[3509.20 --> 3509.90] I didn't realize.
[3510.52 --> 3511.94] I think we just have to do this more often.
[3512.04 --> 3513.30] That's the only conclusion again.
[3513.30 --> 3519.08] As we are prepared to wrap up, what do you think the most important takeaway is for our
[3519.08 --> 3520.42] listeners from this conversation?
[3521.92 --> 3525.60] Well, I mean, I didn't think it was going to be this when we first started talking, but
[3525.60 --> 3529.10] I think the most important takeaway is don't use Kubernetes unless you need to.
[3529.24 --> 3531.00] Like delay the adoption of Kubernetes.
[3531.24 --> 3532.74] It's going to be on your roadmap.
[3533.24 --> 3535.22] It's going to happen as you grow.
[3535.60 --> 3539.80] But just like anything else, don't try and tackle that problem early.
[3539.80 --> 3545.62] Use one of the existing managed platforms, not managed Kubernetes installations.
[3545.90 --> 3548.00] Although when you do adopt Kubernetes, do that.
[3548.56 --> 3549.96] But just delay it for as long as you can.
[3550.04 --> 3553.00] And then even then understand that you're spending innovation points.
[3553.14 --> 3559.32] So use it in as simple of a way as you can, because you need to pay down that innovation
[3559.32 --> 3560.38] debt, right?
[3560.52 --> 3566.78] Focus on the automation and focus on the education for your people, because you will underestimate
[3566.78 --> 3568.58] how complicated Kubernetes is.
[3568.58 --> 3573.64] You will be surprised when you start using it and start seeing all of the different ways
[3573.64 --> 3577.34] that you can configure it and all the best practices that are not codified in it.
[3577.76 --> 3581.50] Well, thank you, Tamar, for sharing so much valuable information.
[3581.98 --> 3583.06] And I had so much fun.
[3583.16 --> 3583.70] This was great.
[3583.80 --> 3584.18] Thank you.
[3584.38 --> 3585.54] Yeah, I had so much fun too.
[3585.90 --> 3586.42] Thank you.
[3586.56 --> 3587.80] I'm looking forward to the next one.
[3587.96 --> 3588.44] I really am.
[3588.52 --> 3588.86] Absolutely.
[3589.12 --> 3589.40] Thank you.
[3589.40 --> 3590.40] Thank you.
[3590.46 --> 3591.40] Thank you.
[3591.40 --> 3592.40] Thank you.
[3592.40 --> 3593.08] Thank you.
[3593.08 --> 3593.28] Thank you.
[3593.28 --> 3595.14] Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Ship It.
[3595.20 --> 3597.72] This is just one of our podcasts for developers.
[3598.02 --> 3601.40] Go to changelog.com forward slash master for the rest.
[3601.78 --> 3606.12] You can join our community at changelog.com forward slash community.
[3606.48 --> 3607.98] There are no imposters in our Slack.
[3608.20 --> 3609.46] Everyone is welcome.
[3609.92 --> 3613.34] Huge thanks to our partners Fastly, LaunchDarkly, and Linode.
[3613.34 --> 3616.72] Thank you, Breakmaster Cylinder, for all our awesome beats.
[3617.02 --> 3617.90] That's it for this week.
[3618.08 --> 3618.72] See you next week.
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