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[715.72 --> 719.74] There is a sensation of self-sovereignty that you get.
[719.82 --> 723.02] It feels really good to have control over this stuff.
[723.10 --> 724.50] Like it feels better than you'd expect.
[725.36 --> 729.92] And I think it's because we keep seeing these rug pulls essentially from these companies.
[729.92 --> 737.58] And you buy these things and there's sort of this implicit promise that they're going to keep the service running, but they never actually commit to it.
[738.16 --> 746.04] And there's no warning to the average consumer that the discontinuation of the online services invalidates the product, right?
[746.04 --> 747.04] They don't understand that.
[747.38 --> 748.08] They don't get that.
[748.12 --> 749.26] Our audience understands that.
[749.34 --> 753.48] But people that are buying these things from like Home Depot or whatever, they don't understand that.
[754.56 --> 758.46] I mean, the obvious answer is to just use Home Assistant and never worry about it again.
[758.46 --> 764.30] You know, use devices with open firmware like Tasmota, you know, like the ones from cloudfree.shop.
[766.04 --> 767.68] There are some other options, of course.
[767.86 --> 772.30] You know, there's HomeKit compatible stuff, which is all local only.
[773.40 --> 776.62] It's not quite as good as like a fully open firmware, but it's close.
[777.88 --> 779.12] OpenHAB and what's the other one?
[779.42 --> 779.90] Domitich.
[780.20 --> 781.76] I'm never quite sure how to say that one.
[782.38 --> 782.78] Gesundheit.
[782.78 --> 787.64] I mean, it's just a shit situation, isn't it?
[788.16 --> 788.70] It is.
[789.08 --> 795.30] Because I feel like you're kind of giving the typical answer of, oh, you don't like what the carrier flashed your Android device with?
[795.36 --> 796.86] Well, you could always put lineage on it.
[796.98 --> 797.14] Yeah.
[797.14 --> 802.78] Okay, well, our listeners maybe, but probably nobody else in my family, right?
[802.78 --> 810.38] I mean, the reality is they have just created a huge amount of e-waste in one weekend.
[810.84 --> 813.94] I was just about to touch on that exactly, 100%.
[813.94 --> 814.64] Yeah.
[814.76 --> 822.86] I'd like to see some kind of legislation from governments, from the EU, from these bureaucratic bodies to say,
[822.86 --> 832.60] you have a duty of care on the lifecycle of these devices, whether that extends to how people sunset devices and say, right, we're going to,
[832.86 --> 838.20] the Sonos that we talked about last year at some point, the V1 hub or bridge or whatever it was,
[839.20 --> 842.46] why didn't they, rather than just saying you've got to buy the new one,
[843.12 --> 847.06] why didn't they provide a firmware to say for the V1 devices,
[847.46 --> 850.90] hey, you can put this open firmware and now you can do what you like with it, you know,
[850.90 --> 853.60] make it this open device and give it another life.
[854.06 --> 858.70] We've been doing that with laptops for two, three decades now, you know,
[858.84 --> 862.96] we take old crusty Windows laptops and throw Linux on there and give them a new lease of life.
[863.32 --> 866.68] All I'm proposing is we do the same thing with embedded hardware.
[867.68 --> 868.00] Yeah.
[868.50 --> 868.82] Absolutely.
[869.06 --> 870.06] That's a great idea.
[870.92 --> 874.12] So, you know, you had kind of mentioned, Chris, about Home Depot and, you know,
[874.16 --> 879.82] possibly picking these off the shelf and I don't know, you know, where these were sold at retail, right?
[879.82 --> 884.04] And then, you know, Alex mentions about the E-base, which I think is a very significant problem.
[884.72 --> 889.74] But how many of these devices do you think are still on the shelves and, you know,
[889.84 --> 895.14] at retailers and consumers are just buying with the intent that they're going to work as soon as they get them home?
[895.48 --> 898.10] Maybe this is their first smart device ever, right?
[898.10 --> 900.80] As soon as they get them home, now it doesn't work.
[900.88 --> 902.42] It doesn't connect to the cloud server.
[903.04 --> 906.90] Here I am trying to go through some work around something I'm not technically inclined.
[906.90 --> 908.40] How do I get this flashed?
[908.40 --> 910.00] How do I get this to work with something else?
[910.68 --> 911.20] You know, it's-
[911.20 --> 915.58] Can you imagine being that teenager that's finally convinced your dad to buy a piece of smart home gear?
[915.78 --> 915.88] Right.
[916.00 --> 917.56] He gets it home and this happens?
[917.92 --> 918.70] Yeah, exactly.
[918.86 --> 919.46] Bad luck.
[919.88 --> 920.30] Exactly.
[921.34 --> 924.16] You know, it's not an isolated case either.
[924.50 --> 926.02] My father's dealing with this right now.
[926.08 --> 933.42] He bought a few D-Link cameras and water sensors for a few rental properties that he has in his home as well.
[933.42 --> 936.24] He gets some flooding there just as a security blanket.
[936.52 --> 940.70] And this is a perfect example of a really great use case for these devices, right?
[942.04 --> 946.18] Luckily, he got an email maybe at the beginning of the year in January saying,
[946.42 --> 955.04] Oh, D-Link, we're going to stop supporting our protocols and all devices will stop working at the end of the year or in September or something like that.
[955.04 --> 957.94] But it's, I think, what's troublesome.
[958.20 --> 966.72] And Chris, I think why you suggested that the whole premise of this show started was that this is not an uncommon situation.
[967.14 --> 972.46] We see it, you know, time and time again, multiple times a year with various devices, and it's just really saddening.
[973.10 --> 976.38] Luckily, I looked it up and, of course, they're compatible with Home Assistant.
[976.76 --> 978.72] So I'll be doing some homework there.
[978.72 --> 988.26] Now, for those of you that are already Home Assistant users, they just put out a blog post for Insteon users detailing all the little ins and outs of how you can get the most out of those devices moving forward.
[988.62 --> 990.26] We'll put a link to that in the show notes.
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