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[305.10 --> 312.10] Well, of course, there's the Pi KVM project for x86 boards that don't come with a BMC chip built in. |
[313.00 --> 318.08] But, you know, you could probably build a server that does everything. |
[318.24 --> 320.78] How many Pis do you have deployed in dupes right now? |
[321.48 --> 322.56] Well, come on. |
[322.60 --> 323.22] I pared it down. |
[323.28 --> 324.34] I pared it down to only two. |
[324.68 --> 328.56] I'm not saying this to be a phallic object. |
[328.82 --> 331.00] I'm just saying this out of love. |
[331.16 --> 332.46] Like, genuine question. |
[332.46 --> 333.56] It was four. |
[333.70 --> 334.70] It was four in production. |
[334.90 --> 336.48] And over time, I pared it down to two. |
[336.86 --> 337.12] Okay. |
[337.26 --> 345.24] So if we allow a 10 watt budget per Pi, give or take, right, that's now it was 40 watts. |
[345.32 --> 346.24] It's now 20 watts. |
[346.70 --> 355.24] You could build a very capable x86 system that does everything all of those Pis do and has a BMC built into it. |
[355.74 --> 361.74] You know, given that power is it's not you're not quite as limited on power as the Mars rover is, but you're not far off. |
[361.74 --> 362.70] It's true. |
[363.34 --> 366.20] Every watt does count, especially watts that run continuously. |
[366.76 --> 368.26] What about heat consideration? |
[368.90 --> 369.82] That is a thing. |
[370.16 --> 371.18] That's a big thing. |
[371.24 --> 372.96] I've been really trying to do the math on that, too. |
[372.98 --> 378.82] When I build the next one, I'm trying to think, do I want to build it in a booth or do I want to go somewhere else and just drill holes? |
[379.36 --> 382.40] The Raspberry Pi, and maybe that's what finally killed it, was heat. |
[382.50 --> 382.94] I don't know. |
[382.94 --> 388.76] But the Raspberry Pi has done a remarkable job of holding up to intense temperatures over long periods of time. |
[389.64 --> 394.46] My bet really is what happened is there was some kind of a power brownout that was enough to make the Pi reboot. |
[394.80 --> 398.70] And the SD card was toast in that time since it last rebooted. |
[399.50 --> 403.20] I don't obviously have any data to back that up, but that's what I suspect probably happened. |
[403.20 --> 409.60] So in total, I spent $169 on the Home Assistant Yellow. |
[409.86 --> 412.62] And I was watching their live stream today as we record. |
[413.18 --> 419.22] And I don't think they're going to make many more of these because they can't get their hands on the compute module. |
[419.22 --> 423.08] So they finally got this thing shipping. |
[423.38 --> 425.80] In fact, they don't even have the PoE one sorted out yet. |
[426.00 --> 427.90] They have the non-PoE one shipping. |
[429.10 --> 433.66] And they may not make many more just because you can't get them. |
[434.14 --> 434.82] That's a real shame. |
[435.14 --> 438.40] I mean, but on the flip side, it's not a good look for the project, is it? |
[439.12 --> 442.68] Charge people money for something and then not ship it for a year or two. |
[443.70 --> 446.22] I know it's not their fault, but... |
[446.22 --> 450.06] Yeah, I ordered it mid-September and now we're here in early October. |
[450.20 --> 452.06] So it's just over a year ago that I ordered it. |
[452.24 --> 453.24] That's a long time. |
[454.80 --> 455.82] That's a very long time. |
[456.20 --> 458.30] I mean, if you look at what Valve did with the Steam Deck, |
[458.30 --> 465.98] I know that Valve, orders of magnitude, got more buying power than Home Assistant, Nebu Casa as a company. |
[466.22 --> 470.46] But I paid Valve $5 to sit in a queue, essentially. |
[470.46 --> 476.54] And then when the time came to actually ship my hardware, that's when my credit card got charged. |
[477.44 --> 479.64] Maybe something like that could work for Home Assistant. |
[480.24 --> 484.52] Yeah, I think, too, the tricky thing here is they based it on the Pi compute module. |
[484.80 --> 488.10] And that became one of the hardest things to get your hands on in bulk right now. |
[488.52 --> 492.38] The Raspberry Pi stuff is, like, still impossible to find. |
[492.64 --> 492.78] Yeah. |
[492.78 --> 498.64] I was just doing a check recently, and the most common thing you can find at the moment is the Pi 3. |
[499.28 --> 501.88] Which, from what I'm learning, isn't that useful for anything. |
[502.36 --> 509.50] Did you see that Jeff Geerling did a video just last few days where he talked with the founder of the Raspberry Pi project |
[509.50 --> 514.32] about availability and things like that and how there's no end in sight? |
[514.42 --> 522.38] They're making 400,000 of these things a month, and something like 95% is going into industrial use cases. |
[522.78 --> 523.26] Wow. |
[524.38 --> 525.66] 95%? |
[525.88 --> 529.02] Is it even really meant for industrial use cases? |
[529.68 --> 533.02] You know, I noticed, you know, because Jeff also does an accompanying blog post, |
[533.14 --> 541.72] and I noticed that one of the comments on Jeff's blog post was sort of giving a different version of this story. |
[541.72 --> 546.82] They claim, I don't know how they would know, but they claim having inside knowledge, |
[547.24 --> 553.56] and that Broadcom is actually a bit pissed at the Raspberry Pi folks because they're going commercial. |
[554.52 --> 561.00] And essentially, like, the whole deal for getting a super cheap chip from Broadcom was that you were creating this educational device for kids. |
[561.58 --> 565.54] And now you've announced your intentions to IPO and make a commercial company out of all this, |
[565.56 --> 568.66] and now you need to pay the commercial rates, and you're going to be lumped in with our commercial clients, |
[568.72 --> 569.78] not our educational clients. |
[570.20 --> 574.08] And so they're also getting slower supply from Broadcom, according to this commenter. |
[574.12 --> 576.66] But I have to say, it kind of seems like it checks out. |
[576.66 --> 584.12] I think the Raspberry Pi Foundation, much like all of us, are kind of being caught off guard by just how ubiquitous it's become. |
[584.12 --> 592.98] And I think it's a perfect example of how, if you influence the right people, the nerds, the engineers, the people tinkering, |
[593.94 --> 598.34] if you influence them, they will then go into work and say, hey, well, why don't we just use a Pi? |
[598.34 --> 607.26] Like, if I, you know, I remember my last job we had on the wall, we had TV screens showing build statuses of all the different CI processes, |
[607.58 --> 613.60] and each one of them had a Raspberry Pi running, because one of the development team in that sprint team was like, |
[613.68 --> 615.56] well, we need to monitor the status. |
[615.70 --> 621.32] Why don't we just get a Pi, because it's only £35, stick it behind the TV, and jobs are good. |
[621.66 --> 627.00] And I think not only has the Pi Foundation been caught out by the success of their product, |
[627.00 --> 629.30] but so it sounds like has Broadcom. |
[629.92 --> 631.46] Perhaps. That would make a lot of sense. |
[632.38 --> 636.58] It's tricky, because I actually think if they don't figure something out, |
[637.20 --> 642.84] the M1 platform is going to make a pretty worthy successor for home labbers. |
[643.16 --> 649.10] If, imagine for a moment, if you would, Alex, there was decent Linux support for the M1, |
[649.20 --> 654.76] which we may be only nine months, ten months away from, and that includes Thunderbolt support. |
[654.76 --> 658.00] Because right now, I'm hanging USB disks off a Raspberry Pi. |
[658.48 --> 663.16] But if I had Thunderbolt support, I could have real, actual, PCI-attached storage. |
[663.70 --> 669.70] And if I had an M1 CPU, I would have something that has built-in HD64 decoding and encoding, |
[669.96 --> 671.10] like a Banshee. |
[671.96 --> 674.44] And if somehow Plex could come along and get support for that, |
[674.60 --> 676.26] then we'd really be cooking with gas. |
[676.46 --> 680.06] Don't you just wish that macOS Server wasn't terrible? |
[680.06 --> 683.28] Is macOS Server even a thing anymore? |
[683.40 --> 683.84] I think they might. |
[684.04 --> 684.26] No. |
[684.26 --> 685.30] I don't even know. |
[685.80 --> 687.26] I know, it's really sad. |
[687.60 --> 691.60] And honestly, I feel like Docker Desktop isn't good enough on the Mac for production use, |
[691.64 --> 692.24] the way I would want. |
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