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[2557.56 --> 2559.02] all of us yeah technically
[2559.02 --> 2561.62] technically I think it might
[2561.62 --> 2562.58] be time for some feedback
[2562.58 --> 2563.78] gentlemen what do you think
[2563.78 --> 2565.52] bring it on we've been getting
[2565.52 --> 2567.74] a lot of various tail scale
[2567.74 --> 2569.84] alternatives sent into the show
[2569.84 --> 2571.54] and at first I was like okay
[2571.54 --> 2573.32] okay but one that's come in a
[2573.32 --> 2575.86] couple of times has been net
[2575.86 --> 2576.92] bird and I don't know if either
[2576.92 --> 2578.08] one of you guys have seen this
[2578.08 --> 2579.98] but net bird is trying to check
[2579.98 --> 2581.98] all the boxes and I hope the
[2581.98 --> 2583.42] tail scale team takes this as a
[2583.42 --> 2584.38] compliment because this is
[2584.38 --> 2585.92] clearly an indication that
[2585.92 --> 2587.00] they're on to something that
[2587.00 --> 2588.12] all of these open source
[2588.12 --> 2591.56] projects have cropped up um and
[2591.56 --> 2592.64] I suppose for a lot of folks
[2592.64 --> 2593.78] head scale has not been
[2593.78 --> 2596.40] sufficient I guess but the net
[2596.40 --> 2598.22] bird folks are attempting to
[2598.22 --> 2599.92] get as close as you can to a
[2599.92 --> 2602.18] wire guard based mesh network
[2602.18 --> 2603.86] they're supporting single sign
[2603.86 --> 2604.88] on and multi-factor
[2604.88 --> 2606.38] authentication like tail scale
[2606.38 --> 2607.78] does they have some simple
[2607.78 --> 2609.56] controls I don't think they
[2609.56 --> 2611.18] have the install down quite as
[2611.18 --> 2612.72] smooth as tail scale does but
[2612.72 --> 2615.42] really who would right but you
[2615.42 --> 2616.76] get a lot of it you get a lot
[2616.76 --> 2619.84] of the advantages um but you
[2619.84 --> 2622.94] know it's 100% a uh well it
[2622.94 --> 2623.72] doesn't have to be actually
[2623.72 --> 2625.04] they're also offering their own
[2625.04 --> 2627.14] hosted implementation as well of
[2627.14 --> 2628.76] course which then I'm not even
[2628.76 --> 2629.70] sure why it's even better than
[2629.70 --> 2631.76] tail scale but they do have a by
[2631.76 --> 2633.28] default a host implementation but
[2633.28 --> 2634.60] they make it really clear how to
[2634.60 --> 2635.94] do all your own self-hosting if
[2635.94 --> 2637.76] you like this is why we were all
[2637.76 --> 2639.54] so excited about wire guard being
[2639.54 --> 2640.78] put in the linux kernel a few
[2640.78 --> 2642.54] years ago it legitimized the
[2642.54 --> 2645.42] project and we hoped at the time
[2645.42 --> 2646.36] that it would lead to this
[2646.36 --> 2648.90] proliferation of solutions based
[2648.90 --> 2651.84] upon it for vpn stuff I'm so
[2651.84 --> 2653.22] pleased to see that that's coming
[2653.22 --> 2655.52] true aren't you yeah absolutely
[2655.52 --> 2657.52] and it looks like you know we're
[2657.52 --> 2659.74] gonna have a spoil of choices so I
[2659.74 --> 2661.98] I wonder if we'll go through a
[2661.98 --> 2663.72] period of some of these sort of
[2663.72 --> 2665.34] proving themselves out and tail
[2665.34 --> 2666.94] scale will probably be a leader
[2666.94 --> 2668.66] for a while because they got a
[2668.66 --> 2670.34] huge start they have a commercial
[2670.34 --> 2672.12] entity behind them that has some
[2672.12 --> 2674.40] money and they got a good product
[2674.40 --> 2675.70] right but so now you're gonna see a
[2675.70 --> 2679.60] lot of I'd say um um kind of not
[2679.60 --> 2682.16] clones but this kind of kind of what
[2682.16 --> 2683.74] they are right and we're gonna have
[2683.74 --> 2686.54] to see which one kind of wins out and
[2686.54 --> 2687.60] which one ends up being the most
[2687.60 --> 2689.00] popular in the community will it be
[2689.00 --> 2690.72] tail scale and head scale for those
[2690.72 --> 2692.80] that want self-hosting or will it be
[2692.80 --> 2694.60] something like netbird so if you've
[2694.60 --> 2695.78] tried something like this out there
[2695.78 --> 2697.50] let us know send us a boost or go to
[2697.50 --> 2699.00] self-hosted that show slash contact
[2699.00 --> 2701.76] and let us know your thoughts I I am
[2701.76 --> 2703.42] just so happy with tail scale and now
[2703.42 --> 2705.42] that I'm doing subnet routing and all
[2705.42 --> 2708.32] of that I I'm really I'm really quite
[2708.32 --> 2709.78] pleased I don't really see any
[2709.78 --> 2712.34] particular reason to switch and I'm
[2712.34 --> 2714.34] also totally comfortable with their
[2714.34 --> 2716.30] backplane managing some of the
[2716.30 --> 2717.88] authentication and some of the
[2717.88 --> 2719.40] connecting that's fine for me
[2719.40 --> 2721.28] because I want this to work like a
[2721.28 --> 2723.10] rock we talked a little bit about the
[2723.10 --> 2725.58] subnet routing at the Airbnb in
[2725.58 --> 2727.52] Pasadena with our questionable Wi-Fi
[2727.52 --> 2730.86] situation that's generous and it's
[2730.86 --> 2733.42] it's fascinating I I use the heck out
[2733.42 --> 2735.62] of the subnet routing it's amazing oh
[2735.62 --> 2738.04] it's so handy especially for devices
[2738.04 --> 2741.36] that aren't PCs or Raspberry Pis that
[2741.36 --> 2743.44] you something you can't install software
[2743.44 --> 2746.84] on like my Victron solar equipment and