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[510.44 --> 511.90] So that way he can play that one game. |
[511.94 --> 512.82] And it kills me. |
[513.00 --> 517.42] But I have to acknowledge, like, if you want to run that application, you got to have Windows. |
[517.50 --> 518.88] So it absolutely has its place. |
[519.18 --> 524.66] But this utopia that they're painting for developers, you know, I just can't, I can't, |
[524.66 --> 525.60] I can't subscribe to it. |
[525.60 --> 527.46] I can't say as I disagree with anything you said. |
[527.88 --> 535.36] But they have solved an absolutely huge problem, which is encapsulated development environment. |
[535.68 --> 540.66] So Scott, in his talk, showed us something called development containers. |
[541.20 --> 545.92] And these essentially are a JSON manifest of all the requirements you need to develop a |
[545.92 --> 546.88] specific project. |
[546.88 --> 555.36] In his example, it was an oh my posh PowerShell kind of candy looking terminal pretty fire thing. |
[556.56 --> 559.72] And he downloaded the, he cloned the Git repo. |
[560.28 --> 564.46] VS Code automatically picked up the JSON file that was stored in the correct folder. |
[564.46 --> 569.68] It pre-installed all the dependencies in a container, a Docker container on Windows running in the |
[569.68 --> 572.86] Linux subsystem for Windows or whatever the hell it's called. |
[573.90 --> 578.50] And within, you know, a minute of cloning this repo, he was working. |
[578.78 --> 581.32] Well, hypothetically, presentation working. |
[581.60 --> 581.96] You know what I mean? |
[582.20 --> 583.52] That does sound really slick. |
[583.88 --> 584.30] I got it, mate. |
[584.38 --> 585.40] I mean, that does sound slick. |
[585.56 --> 589.56] I mean, a good part of my master's degree sort of five, six, seven years ago was trying |
[589.56 --> 592.40] to solve this encapsulated development environment thing. |
[592.40 --> 595.18] And that was what led me to Docker containers back then. |
[595.40 --> 600.78] And, you know, we were looking at Packer VMs and, you know, sending QCow2 images around |
[600.78 --> 606.76] to people and having like a special university version of Linux just for this computer science |
[606.76 --> 607.18] course. |
[607.38 --> 610.38] And God damn it, Microsoft went and figured it out. |
[610.98 --> 611.42] Microsoft. |
[612.00 --> 612.82] It's crazy. |
[613.02 --> 613.32] They did. |
[614.22 --> 615.32] It's pretty legit. |
[615.48 --> 619.00] And I have to say, too, like they recognize they needed a better terminal. |
[619.26 --> 620.26] They absolutely did. |
[620.30 --> 621.46] They created the Windows terminal. |
[621.46 --> 622.88] They made it an open source project. |
[623.00 --> 626.74] And it seems like it's a pretty good terminal, like direct text accelerated terminal. |
[626.98 --> 628.38] I mean, it's crazy. |
[628.76 --> 628.92] Yeah. |
[629.78 --> 630.68] So funny. |
[630.96 --> 632.42] It really it truly is. |
[632.46 --> 636.62] It's I have to mention that this is something my buddy Michael Dominick and I have been talking |
[636.62 --> 640.00] about for a while on Coder Radio because we often talk about the tooling for development |
[640.00 --> 640.70] workstations. |
[640.70 --> 643.30] And he's kind of been through this whole journey. |
[643.92 --> 645.56] Mac to Windows. |
[645.56 --> 650.48] WSL and like the Mecca that that opened up for him. |
[650.48 --> 655.34] And also, of course, VS Code and also integration with Azure and just like he went all in for |
[655.34 --> 655.64] a bit. |
[655.84 --> 659.66] And now he's actually back on Linux as his primary development workstation. |
[659.78 --> 664.76] And so the whole journey, I think, has been really interesting at Coder.show if you are |
[664.76 --> 665.24] interested. |
[665.74 --> 667.24] But I want to hear about the meetup. |
[667.34 --> 670.20] I know you had a chance to go say hi to some audience members. |
[670.66 --> 672.54] You guys coordinated in the Matrix chat. |
[672.78 --> 673.88] It sounded like it went pretty well. |
[674.60 --> 674.92] Absolutely. |
[675.16 --> 675.32] Yeah. |
[675.36 --> 680.66] Well, I bumped into a couple of listeners throughout the day who somehow recognized me from my |
[680.66 --> 683.80] voice like it's distinctive in a room full of Americans for some reason. |
[683.88 --> 684.20] Who knows? |
[685.88 --> 689.52] So we've got a little clip from a couple of listeners that we met up with for lunch. |
[689.90 --> 692.60] So I'm here at All Things Open with Reid and John. |
[692.66 --> 694.28] How are you liking the conference so far, John? |
[694.64 --> 695.60] It's been pretty good. |
[695.82 --> 696.70] Learned a lot. |
[696.70 --> 704.24] Been to a bunch of different sessions and gotten to meet some cool people and meet up |
[704.24 --> 706.40] with the JB crowd here. |
[707.06 --> 707.22] Yeah. |
[707.34 --> 713.04] And we use the element to JB Matrix to kind of have a little mini meetup in the lobby of |
[713.04 --> 713.96] the conference, didn't we? |
[714.52 --> 716.20] And Reid, I know you've been listening for a little while. |
[716.26 --> 717.60] How are you liking the conference as well? |
[718.08 --> 718.70] Oh, it's great. |
[718.70 --> 718.96] Yeah. |
[718.96 --> 729.80] A very wide range of people here from community to corporate and lots to learn, lots to see |
[729.80 --> 730.98] and lots of great people to meet. |
[731.44 --> 733.78] Any standout sessions for either of you? |
[734.74 --> 743.90] There was a beer brewing with IoT and JavaScript that I knew almost nothing about any of those |
[743.90 --> 744.22] subjects. |
[744.22 --> 746.86] And now I know a little bit about all of those subjects. |
[747.30 --> 749.72] You're at the Dunning-Kruger effect style moment, right? |
[749.74 --> 751.58] Where you don't realize how little you actually know. |
[751.92 --> 753.24] You feel vaguely competent. |
[753.56 --> 754.00] Completely. |
[754.20 --> 754.92] How about you, John? |
[755.42 --> 759.82] There was a great, it was half of a two for one that was on burnout. |
[760.14 --> 767.14] And it was a really good just kind of think about not burning out and ways to kind of handle |
[767.14 --> 769.58] that stress and take breaks and things like that. |
[769.58 --> 770.78] Yeah, very good. |
[771.16 --> 776.22] I've certainly been, I've certainly found burnout myself at times can be quite challenging |
[776.22 --> 778.72] to deal with, particularly during the last couple of years. |
[778.88 --> 780.02] So it's very good. |
[780.10 --> 781.82] Well, I wish you all the best for the rest of the afternoon. |
[781.96 --> 783.34] I hope you enjoy the rest of the conference. |
[783.82 --> 784.18] Thank you. |
[785.46 --> 789.86] I do hear what you're saying in there, though, that it's a pretty wide range that All Things |
[789.86 --> 790.76] Open is trying to cover. |
[791.04 --> 794.18] Although I like the idea about having sessions on burnout. |
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