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[49.24 --> 51.22] There's a million things to talk about. |
[51.34 --> 56.56] There's so much exciting stuff in the self-hosting world because there's liquidation happening. |
[56.56 --> 63.36] You can get a 77.73 for like $4,000 if you're that crazy to run it in your home lab. |
[63.50 --> 64.26] I mean, that's a steal. |
[64.66 --> 65.56] Alex, you're that crazy. |
[66.08 --> 68.10] Never mind the power bill, though, these days. |
[68.28 --> 70.68] Hey, that thing sips the power when it's not doing anything. |
[71.14 --> 71.32] Okay. |
[71.40 --> 72.28] Define sips. |
[73.22 --> 75.96] Idling at about 68 watts. |
[75.96 --> 76.86] Oh, okay. |
[76.96 --> 77.12] Yeah. |
[77.24 --> 78.96] That's a healthy sip. |
[79.04 --> 80.36] That's my entire server. |
[83.62 --> 85.18] But yeah, that is nice to see. |
[85.42 --> 89.24] Should we maybe begin with low-powered hardware in the self-hosting area? |
[89.36 --> 90.12] There's so much. |
[90.50 --> 95.90] I think so, yeah, because Chris, you've recently got off the, if Linux Unplugged titles are to |
[95.90 --> 102.46] be believed, you've got off the Raspberry Pi train recently for the Odroid train, the x86 |
[102.46 --> 103.34] train, should I say. |
[103.76 --> 104.74] And that's been going great. |
[104.74 --> 107.56] I've been doing more and more, more than I ever could before. |
[107.88 --> 109.64] It's great to have access to QuickSync. |
[110.16 --> 115.84] But, you know, the Odroid's power draw, when it's idle, it's not exactly 65 watts. |
[115.98 --> 118.24] It's more like 1.5 watts. |
[118.84 --> 118.96] Yeah. |
[119.28 --> 120.62] That is something. |
[121.20 --> 121.44] Yeah. |
[122.04 --> 127.58] It gets me thinking about these new Intel chips with their kind of weird architecture |
[127.58 --> 128.26] these days. |
[128.32 --> 130.70] They've got the performance cores and the e-cores. |
[131.24 --> 133.56] There's been a whole bunch of changes on the Intel side. |
[133.64 --> 133.94] Hey, Wendell? |
[133.94 --> 140.74] You can get a Linux-based operating system that will handle it really well. |
[140.84 --> 141.24] And that works. |
[141.32 --> 142.34] That works pretty well. |
[142.70 --> 150.74] My pause is the horror show that's going out of my head with VMware and Proxmox and XCPNG. |
[150.74 --> 154.08] It's not a lot of fun with any of those. |
[154.08 --> 157.82] Because XCPNG is, you know, it's an older kernel, but they do a lot of patches. |
[157.82 --> 163.98] But mixed cores with that, it's just, I don't like inconsistent performance. |
[163.98 --> 171.72] Honestly, I'm kind of annoyed with XCPNG because I have a separate thread going and they're basically |
[171.72 --> 177.96] okay with the performance not being as good as it could be in the hypervisor. |
[178.68 --> 182.70] And I'm not sure what it is, but like turbo is not working correctly on some high-end parts |
[182.70 --> 183.88] that will turbo like crazy. |
[183.88 --> 185.76] But that's not really super applicable for the home lab. |
[186.00 --> 191.08] But those issues are kind of bleed over when we're talking about mixed, small, and big cores. |
[191.50 --> 196.02] So Proxmox works a little better because you can run a newer Linux kernel and the Linux kernel |
[196.02 --> 197.74] will do the appropriate juggling for that. |
[198.10 --> 203.64] And so, yeah, like at 13900K, you can end up with a 24-core system if you want to go something |
[203.64 --> 206.36] crazy like that for your home setup. |
[206.36 --> 211.80] But really, it's like 64 gigabytes of memory is like the largest practical maximum, although |
[211.80 --> 213.48] you can do 128 gigabytes of memory. |
[214.14 --> 219.64] But the $100 processors, the $100-ish processors, I think are way more interesting in that LGA |
[219.64 --> 225.20] 1700 socket because you can run 32 or 64 gigs of memory pretty inexpensively because you |
[225.20 --> 225.94] can get DDR4. |
[226.62 --> 231.88] And the motherboard for like your home server use case, there's not a lot of super interesting |
[231.88 --> 233.48] motherboards for LGA 1700. |
[233.66 --> 234.72] There's one from Gigabyte. |
[234.80 --> 235.56] They didn't make enough. |
[235.56 --> 242.86] I'm really tempted to do a group buy of those motherboards on level one, like buy 100 of |
[242.86 --> 248.56] them or 200 of them and then resell them because it's a W680 chipset and that motherboard works |
[248.56 --> 248.98] pretty well. |
[249.06 --> 251.62] I'd like to have more slots, but motherboard works pretty well. |
[251.76 --> 256.88] And that's what I'm, I've got a test system that I've been just, I'm blown away by how |
[256.88 --> 258.02] insanely fast it is. |
[258.08 --> 263.84] It's six Alder Lake P cores, no E cores on a processor that I got for around $100, the |
[263.84 --> 264.48] 12400. |
[264.48 --> 266.94] And so it turbos like crazy. |
[267.04 --> 268.84] It turbos like there's nobody's business. |
[269.04 --> 271.22] And so those six cores are insanely fast. |
[271.32 --> 274.44] Even XCPNG, VMware, Proxmox, whatever you want to run on it. |
[274.84 --> 276.06] It's very, very fast. |
[276.12 --> 278.68] It puts all of the embedded processors to shame. |
[278.78 --> 279.54] It really is shocking. |
[279.66 --> 280.80] Like 2X is fast. |
[280.80 --> 288.82] Gigabyte made my first real, you know, foray into home server, you know, dual Xeon socket |
[288.82 --> 289.16] boards. |
[289.26 --> 290.70] It had two 10 gig NICs. |
[290.76 --> 292.42] It was the GA7 PESH2. |
[292.84 --> 294.28] That thing was awesome. |
[294.40 --> 300.60] It had an HBA built directly into the board and two 10 gig NICs plus a BMC NIC as well. |
[300.60 --> 305.48] What is it about this other gigabyte board that you mentioned, the 12th, 13th gen board |
[305.48 --> 306.90] that has got you interested? |
[307.34 --> 308.26] Because it's so disruptive. |
[308.66 --> 314.30] So like you go on eBay or you look at, you know, I need to find an appropriate home server |
[314.30 --> 314.74] system. |
[314.84 --> 317.44] And you look at the board and it's not, it's really kind of unremarkable. |
[317.44 --> 322.26] You've got two X8 slots that'll run, you know, to the CPU and then, you know, Alder |
[322.26 --> 326.22] Lake has got the extra lanes and then the DMI is eight lanes. |
[326.42 --> 328.24] So it's got a ton of M.2 slots. |
[328.48 --> 332.34] In my video, I converted the M.2 slots into two and a half gig NICs. |
[332.40 --> 335.08] So you can get M.2, two and a half gig or 10 gig NICs. |
[335.14 --> 335.82] Those are a lot of fun. |
[336.00 --> 337.50] So you add a bunch of NICs that way. |
[337.56 --> 341.64] And then you've got three PCIe slots that you can mix and match for peripherals, disk storage, |
[341.76 --> 346.36] whatever, which is pretty reasonable and 32 or 64 gigs of memory, which is pretty reasonable. |
[346.36 --> 348.20] And you could put an i5 in there. |
[348.42 --> 350.36] So is that the route you'd go these days? |
[350.62 --> 352.74] A 12th or 13th gen CPU? |
[353.12 --> 357.46] Or would you be tempted to look for, you know, four, five year old, eighth, ninth, 10th gen, |
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