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[1632.92 --> 1633.08] Yeah. |
[1633.86 --> 1635.24] Same thing with writing code, right? |
[1635.32 --> 1639.82] How do we, for the open source software developer community, how do we help them be successful |
[1639.82 --> 1643.68] businesses, in a sense, without having to go be marketing people? |
[1643.90 --> 1644.00] Yeah. |
[1644.18 --> 1644.52] Right. |
[1644.90 --> 1645.30] Precisely. |
[1645.30 --> 1650.18] To a certain extent, that's being built through the dependency graph, right? |
[1650.22 --> 1651.34] So you have the distribution. |
[1652.24 --> 1655.22] Of course, there's different kinds of open source, but let's just talk about libraries, |
[1655.74 --> 1655.98] right? |
[1656.04 --> 1662.24] Where I write a library, maybe it's really fast JSON parsing, and everybody starts using |
[1662.24 --> 1662.48] it. |
[1662.56 --> 1663.98] Now I'm in their dependency graph. |
[1664.78 --> 1669.36] And now when these companies come to GitHub sponsors, and they say, we got 300 grand for |
[1669.36 --> 1671.78] the year, here's the invoice, right? |
[1671.86 --> 1674.28] It goes into my, I'm sure I get a wallet or something. |
[1674.28 --> 1678.16] I got a stash of fake money there that represents the money that I put there. |
[1678.54 --> 1682.40] And now I can divvy that out, and you're showing them like, okay, you're using this project. |
[1682.52 --> 1685.68] That project's using super fast JSON library by Jared. |
[1686.38 --> 1687.78] He's available on GitHub sponsors. |
[1688.00 --> 1689.92] And so trickle down in that way, right? |
[1690.00 --> 1691.08] Like, that's what you're trying to build. |
[1691.22 --> 1693.34] Or do you guys, is that there today? |
[1693.54 --> 1694.40] Like, can you do that today? |
[1694.88 --> 1695.16] Yes. |
[1695.44 --> 1698.10] It's not as simple as just clicking a button, but you can do it. |
[1698.26 --> 1699.06] You can see it at least. |
[1699.20 --> 1699.72] And that's the goal. |
[1699.72 --> 1703.40] Like, you as a creator should get some kind of compensation for the thing you created |
[1703.40 --> 1705.40] that is now powering businesses around the world. |
[1705.56 --> 1705.92] Exactly. |
[1706.08 --> 1708.36] So all these businesses, maybe they don't rely directly on me. |
[1708.48 --> 1710.80] They rely on this framework that uses me. |
[1711.92 --> 1715.04] And the framework gets, you know, 10 bucks. |
[1715.10 --> 1716.62] And for every 10 bucks they get, I get a buck. |
[1716.88 --> 1717.08] Yep. |
[1717.18 --> 1717.90] Or whatever it is. |
[1718.58 --> 1720.54] Or maybe you get 10 cents if they use 100 libraries. |
[1720.88 --> 1723.78] But once a thousand companies use it, that adds up. |
[1723.92 --> 1724.14] Right. |
[1724.14 --> 1728.18] And so now you have distribution of your software, but you also have distribution of your sponsorship |
[1728.18 --> 1730.18] along that same graph. |
[1730.76 --> 1735.28] I think that's one way to do it without being like, hey, I'm on Twitter talking about my |
[1735.28 --> 1736.64] fast JSON parsing library. |
[1736.96 --> 1739.38] We do have someone who shames people on Twitter. |
[1739.78 --> 1740.98] They talk about using his product. |
[1741.12 --> 1742.78] He goes and says, oh, that's great. |
[1742.92 --> 1744.46] Would you like to contribute on GitHub sponsors? |
[1744.90 --> 1746.62] And he's actually pretty successful at it. |
[1746.78 --> 1747.04] Okay. |
[1747.26 --> 1748.04] So there's a hack. |
[1748.20 --> 1748.52] Yeah. |
[1748.58 --> 1749.12] I like that. |
[1749.12 --> 1751.22] But if you don't want to be that guy or gal. |
[1751.98 --> 1754.10] You can just write a bot so you don't have to deal with it every time. |
[1754.48 --> 1755.20] There you go. |
[1755.80 --> 1756.94] There's always a bot for that. |
[1756.94 --> 1757.32] Yeah. |
[1757.44 --> 1757.84] Bot Adam. |
[1758.92 --> 1762.62] Maybe one more facet is how do maintainers get paid? |
[1762.78 --> 1767.86] How easy is it for them to extract the dollars from the donation from GitHub sponsors? |
[1768.48 --> 1770.02] It's a Stripe payment in the background. |
[1770.02 --> 1770.24] Okay. |
[1771.04 --> 1773.00] So they have to maintain a Stripe account. |
[1773.14 --> 1773.28] Yep. |
[1774.12 --> 1775.42] Deal with taxes, of course. |
[1775.94 --> 1776.48] Is that a struggle? |
[1777.34 --> 1779.72] Is it a struggle that you all care about, I suppose? |
[1780.46 --> 1781.70] I'm sure you do, but like. |
[1781.74 --> 1783.00] We're always looking for. |
[1783.00 --> 1787.46] We're always listening to people and asking them how they'd like to receive money. |
[1787.58 --> 1788.44] So right now it's Stripe. |
[1788.78 --> 1792.20] Seems to work for a majority of the people, but the majority of the people that we're listening |
[1792.20 --> 1793.30] to are the people that have signed up. |
[1793.46 --> 1793.70] Sure. |
[1793.80 --> 1798.32] We're also looking at partnerships with other funding methods to see what else we can add. |
[1798.66 --> 1798.88] Yeah. |
[1799.62 --> 1800.08] Well, cool. |
[1800.52 --> 1801.90] Big problems to solve, Stormy. |
[1802.24 --> 1802.52] Fun. |
[1802.94 --> 1803.56] Fun problems. |
[1803.68 --> 1803.88] Yeah. |
[1804.56 --> 1805.08] Thank you. |
[1805.26 --> 1805.60] Yeah, thanks. |
[1805.60 --> 1806.84] Thank you. |
[1821.78 --> 1826.60] So in the sponsor of Minnesota, here in the breaks, I'm here with Tom Hu, dev advocate |
[1826.60 --> 1828.76] at Sentry on the CodeCov team. |
[1828.76 --> 1832.08] So Tom, tell me about Sentry's acquisition of CodeCov. |
[1832.40 --> 1835.62] And in particular, how is this improving the Sentry platform? |
[1836.14 --> 1840.76] When I think about the acquisition, when I think about how does Sentry use CodeCov, or |
[1840.76 --> 1842.90] conversely, how does CodeCov use Sentry? |
[1843.14 --> 1846.26] Like I think of CodeCov and I think of the time of deploying. |
[1846.54 --> 1849.44] When you're a software developer, you have your listicle, you write your code, you test |
[1849.44 --> 1853.20] your code, you deploy, and then your code goes into production and then you sort of fix |
[1853.20 --> 1853.66] the bugs. |
[1853.66 --> 1857.26] And I sort of think of that split in time as like when you actually do that deploy. |
[1858.00 --> 1861.10] Now, where CodeCov is really useful is before deploy time. |
[1861.40 --> 1862.96] It's when you are developing your code. |
[1863.14 --> 1865.62] It's when you're saying, hey, like, I want to make sure this is going to work. |
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