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[3589.72 --> 3591.26] That's a head nodder right there, man.
[3591.38 --> 3592.96] You can't help but nod your head to that one.
[3593.18 --> 3595.88] And if you was just listening to that and you didn't nod your head, hey, check again.
[3596.50 --> 3597.00] Nod your head.
[3598.60 --> 3598.96] Right.
[3599.16 --> 3599.88] That's right.
[3600.42 --> 3601.02] Oh, man.
[3601.64 --> 3602.00] All right.
[3602.02 --> 3603.08] We're having some fun now.
[3603.20 --> 3606.58] Up next, we have Jamie Curnow.
[3606.94 --> 3607.86] Hey, Adam and Jared.
[3608.32 --> 3608.78] Jamie here.
[3608.78 --> 3613.02] I'm a lead engineer and open source contributor from the UK.
[3613.24 --> 3619.66] I just wanted to say a massive thank you for consistently coming out with great content week after week.
[3619.78 --> 3625.90] I love listening to the changelog and I tell every developer that I meet to go and listen to you guys.
[3626.18 --> 3637.78] My favorite episodes this year have to be engineering management for the rest of us with Sarah Drasner and what it takes to scale engineering with Rachel Potvin.
[3637.78 --> 3647.96] I manage a small but growing team and those episodes help me to dive deeper into my role and hopefully make an awesome work environment for my team.
[3648.32 --> 3655.94] I also really enjoyed hearing you guys geeking out on film in the episode, the beginning of the end of physical media.
[3656.16 --> 3657.36] That was a really fun episode.
[3657.84 --> 3660.08] And of course, the drop of changelog beats.
[3660.08 --> 3669.70] Big shout out to Breakmaster Cylinder and to you guys for making that sweet robot dance makeout music available to code long to.
[3669.84 --> 3672.98] You guys are such an awesome part of the developer community.
[3673.48 --> 3676.82] Thanks for keeping it fresh and keep dishing out the episodes.
[3677.30 --> 3678.46] We really appreciate it.
[3679.16 --> 3680.12] Stealing my faves.
[3680.72 --> 3681.64] Stealing my faves.
[3681.64 --> 3687.86] You know, when I was going down my list, engineering management for the rest of us almost made my list.
[3687.96 --> 3689.88] But as you can tell, my list is already long.
[3689.94 --> 3695.00] So I was like, can I add one more to my favorites?
[3695.26 --> 3696.62] Like seven or eight?
[3696.76 --> 3700.54] I was trying to be, you said three and I'm like, I can't do three.
[3700.68 --> 3703.54] So I'm like, I'm just going to put them there and share what I can.
[3703.64 --> 3704.24] And that's it really.
[3704.34 --> 3705.68] But that almost made it.
[3705.68 --> 3711.84] But I think what was even cooler about that was it was the first time we got to talk to Sarah on a podcast before.
[3711.94 --> 3713.56] We've been trying to schedule her for a while.
[3713.98 --> 3714.90] And she's busy.
[3715.02 --> 3715.66] We're busy.
[3716.30 --> 3718.38] And things don't always work out scheduling wise.
[3718.42 --> 3719.44] But we finally nailed it down.
[3719.54 --> 3720.58] She had the book out recently.
[3720.68 --> 3722.12] And it just worked out perfectly, I think.
[3722.68 --> 3723.42] And he's right.
[3723.44 --> 3725.78] It was a spot on conversation with Sarah.
[3725.98 --> 3729.58] I love her perspective on engineering management.
[3729.74 --> 3731.28] She's got wisdom to share.
[3731.60 --> 3732.72] And why not share it here?
[3735.68 --> 3738.04] You have to have appetite to make things better.
[3738.30 --> 3747.54] And I think that that is the one thing that is consistent across all these jobs is whatever I was doing was pretty outcome driven to like, I'm going to make things better.
[3747.64 --> 3757.06] I'm either going to make things better via my coding all day or I'm going to make things better via doing a lot of open source or enabling other people and ramping them up.
[3757.06 --> 3766.20] I'm going to make things better by setting up the organization in a way where people can not have distractions and be able to understand the strategy of their work.
[3766.68 --> 3771.76] Those are all just different vehicles to an outcome.
[3771.90 --> 3779.30] So I would say if people are interested, if people are nerds and they're interested in these kind of roles, keep making things better.
[3779.30 --> 3782.72] Like people do eventually see that.
[3785.20 --> 3785.60] Yeah.
[3785.74 --> 3800.72] And the episode with Rachel Potman, I mean, so much experience that she has gained over the years and her ability and just the teams that she's led are so impressive that she just has like top level.
[3800.90 --> 3801.40] What's it called?
[3801.60 --> 3802.00] Clout?
[3802.22 --> 3806.70] Or, you know, just like you just want to hear what she's got to say because she just has earned it.
[3806.70 --> 3810.38] And I've listened to that one back and I don't even lead larger teams.
[3810.52 --> 3811.50] I lead no teams.
[3811.68 --> 3813.80] I lead myself and then I talk to you about stuff.
[3814.14 --> 3819.00] But yeah, so much good stuff in that one in particular, which goes back to the Laura Hogan episode as well, right?
[3819.08 --> 3821.72] I mean, which was mentioned previously, which wasn't this year.
[3821.86 --> 3833.00] But man, a lot of like engineering leadership conversations that we've had, probably things that you've spearheaded for the most part because they're just areas that I don't really dive into on my own.
[3833.00 --> 3836.82] I really enjoyed getting exposed to that level of thinking.
[3837.96 --> 3840.84] And yeah, I appreciate it right along with Jamie.
[3841.44 --> 3841.64] Mm-hmm.
[3842.48 --> 3848.64] Well, I can boast about it is that it's that touch of helping people and then also psychology.
[3848.64 --> 3855.78] You know, how we operate as human beings intertwines with your ability to help somebody and mentor somebody.
[3856.70 --> 3865.26] And understanding psychology is a, I would say, is one of the many skill sets you could and should foster as a leader.
[3865.26 --> 3874.08] Because the more you understand about humankind and the ways we operate as human beings, the better you will be to lead what?
[3874.40 --> 3875.44] Human beings, right?
[3875.58 --> 3877.44] So, I mean, it seems to make sense.
[3878.56 --> 3881.48] But he mentioned the physical media one.
[3881.68 --> 3892.16] I mean, and you mentioned that in happenstance, like we may not have done it unless we had this podcast called Change Look on Friends where we can sort of be different, I suppose, than our typical content.
[3892.38 --> 3892.70] Mm-hmm.
[3892.70 --> 3893.90] I love that show, man.
[3893.96 --> 3896.50] I mean, that was probably, it's in my list of favorites.
[3896.58 --> 3897.22] I'll mention that.
[3897.62 --> 3911.24] It may be in the very top few, but just having a platform like this where we can talk about that kind of thing that is interesting to our audience, but at the same time not dead center in terms of topic.
[3911.76 --> 3912.16] Perfect.
[3912.30 --> 3912.86] I love that.
[3912.86 --> 3916.24] I don't know.
[3916.24 --> 3936.38] It just feels like an end of just this really important era of film loving, you know, like filmmaking and film loving and film watching where for a time, for a brief, like 20 year span, you could get almost any piece of media that had been released.
[3936.38 --> 3940.18] You could find it on disk and you could find it someplace and you could rent it.
[3940.48 --> 3945.62] You didn't have to worry about whether rights expired or not, who has ownership, is it in a vault or not?
[3945.78 --> 3947.56] It was probably released at some point.
[3947.70 --> 3949.80] And if it was out there, you could find a way to source it.
[3949.80 --> 3952.42] And Netflix had a great catalog for that.
[3952.42 --> 3969.50] And what makes me sad is that there are so many titles, like thousands upon thousands upon thousands of titles that have never been brought to streaming either legally or, you know, to buy like any way, shape or form that are not available to stream or not available to buy digitally.
[3969.50 --> 3983.00] That are just gone in vaults while, you know, billionaires decide how they can manipulate various IP agreements to, you know, suck every single cent out of what was supposed to be art.
[3983.52 --> 3985.66] Never forget the business part of show business.
[3986.42 --> 3991.58] And it just feels like, but there was this moment in time where you could get everything.
[3991.58 --> 3997.64] And now that moment is gone because there's so many amazing films and TV shows and other things that are just not available.
[3997.64 --> 4000.10] And I feel like we've lost something.
[4000.16 --> 4006.16] It feels like when, you know, the video stores started to close and I just, I don't know, it makes me sad.
[4006.80 --> 4008.02] Very well said and very sad.
[4008.14 --> 4022.20] I love that about how Friends has worked out for us to give us that flexibility as, because, I mean, after you do this for 15 years and you only talk about one topic that is very big and a big umbrella, you kind of get siloed.
[4022.20 --> 4030.94] You know, I've got other interests that I was talking to Byron recently from Cinedia because we were talking about getting them on as a sponsor.