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**Michael Grinich:** Yeah, we're hiring. I mean, we're hiring always, across the board. We're always looking for great talent. I think that as a company we're trying to stay pretty small also. We're not just exploding in headcount. I think to do really great things, you don't need that many people, and becoming a big c... |
I think in particular on this podcast, since there's a lot of people listening to this that are probably kind of from like a previously a founder background, or maybe that hybrid set of skills - you know, we don't have any product managers on our team. And what that means is that our engineering and design and support ... |
Or maybe there's someone on the engineering team, but really what they do is think through product experience. So they love writing, they love connecting with customers, actually, or users; they actually maybe secretly would be a marketing person, except they like writing code too much, they like technical things too m... |
Those people end up often becoming pretty good founders later on too, or at different points in time, because they have a lot of different skills... And the pitch I would give for them joining either WorkOS, or another kind of growth stage company, is this is kind of the training ground for you, to have that full exper... |
WorkOS right now is the size that Dropbox was when I joined it 10 years ago. I worked there for six months. And the experience I had working at Dropbox when I was a college kid completely informed me \[unintelligible 01:57:43.13\] I was actually a physics student and switched into computer science after that. It was th... |
\[01:57:56.07\] So I'd say for anyone that's thinking about it in that way, or is curious, or has been like "I don't know where I'm going to fit", but the way I've talked about the way we work resonates with them, I would at least be down to chat with them, and kind of either - maybe it is a good fit, or just kind of h... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well said, Michael. Very captivating. Yeah, we have come a far way from talking SAML, that's for sure. |
**Michael Grinich:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So it's seemingly boring, Michael. Not that it is, but you make it seem very fun in terms of how you've thought about the organization. And you seem very thoughtful. I really like a lot of the ways you think. I don't know how you got so wise, or maybe you've just made a lot of mistakes and you're no... |
**Michael Grinich:** Well, let's hope I keep making mistakes, at least some of them; keep having a few misses, keep it interesting. But no, I think there's a lot more than meets the eye with WorkOS for sure, and this company... And I don't know, that's kind of one of the fun things. Like, anybody can go make some machi... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** For sure. Anything left that I haven't asked? I know that we could probably talk for longer, and you may even have more to say, and you'd be willing to say it even, and that's cool with me... But what's left unsaid? What did I not ask you that you're like -- |
**Michael Grinich:** I think you should probably cut me off. \[laughs\] No, there's a lot more in store for us. I've had a pretty amazing journey and just been really lucky to have -- honestly, that's what I feel every day when I wake up, it's just like fortunate, like lucky to do this... I mentioned it before, that it... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Indeed. |
**Michael Grinich:** ...just thanks to all those people. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes, yes. I'm glad you said that. Thank you again for coming on today and sharing your story, and just sharing the deeper details, and all this wisdom you've got, and for thanking your team at the end. Not just being "Hey, this is me." "This is us", right? |
**Michael Grinich:** It was my pleasure. Thanks a lot. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Thank you, Michael. |
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