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[3523.02 --> 3523.72] Paul's saying,
[3524.08 --> 3524.30] you know,
[3524.36 --> 3525.00] nothing,
[3525.58 --> 3528.16] no kind of heaven or hell,
[3528.32 --> 3529.08] angels or demons,
[3529.42 --> 3530.74] nothing can remove us
[3530.74 --> 3532.14] from vital contact
[3532.14 --> 3532.92] and intimacy
[3532.92 --> 3534.14] with Jesus.
[3535.28 --> 3536.08] But he also says
[3536.08 --> 3537.34] that you might know
[3537.34 --> 3538.20] this love,
[3538.48 --> 3538.78] okay?
[3538.78 --> 3541.90] We were actually meant
[3541.90 --> 3543.04] to not only just
[3543.04 --> 3543.94] take it for granted
[3543.94 --> 3545.12] or know it rashly,
[3545.38 --> 3546.84] but to experientially
[3546.84 --> 3548.30] know and taste
[3548.30 --> 3549.74] Christ's love for us
[3549.74 --> 3550.32] personally.
[3551.60 --> 3552.36] I think about
[3552.36 --> 3554.02] the men,
[3554.18 --> 3556.60] some of my uncles,
[3556.86 --> 3557.56] my grandfather,
[3557.72 --> 3558.30] my father,
[3558.74 --> 3559.38] men who have had
[3559.38 --> 3560.10] this kind of really
[3560.10 --> 3561.82] solid theology,
[3562.64 --> 3563.40] have had a really
[3563.40 --> 3564.56] strong work ethic,
[3564.76 --> 3565.74] a vibrant faith,
[3566.46 --> 3567.70] but kind of as they have aged,
[3567.78 --> 3568.26] kind of as they hit
[3568.26 --> 3569.68] their 50s or 60s,
[3569.70 --> 3570.26] they've developed
[3570.26 --> 3571.74] this habit of not being
[3571.74 --> 3572.40] able to finish
[3572.40 --> 3573.48] their public prayers.
[3574.02 --> 3574.82] They start talking
[3574.82 --> 3575.54] about Jesus
[3575.54 --> 3577.18] and the words get stuck
[3577.18 --> 3578.56] in their mouths,
[3578.70 --> 3579.66] their eyes get watery
[3579.66 --> 3580.68] and they try to pull it together.
[3581.64 --> 3582.36] And in some ways,
[3582.48 --> 3583.72] yes, it might be nerves,
[3584.32 --> 3585.24] but it also happens
[3585.24 --> 3585.78] in private,
[3585.88 --> 3587.42] away kind of off the stage.
[3587.88 --> 3588.28] And yes,
[3588.30 --> 3588.88] it might be that
[3588.88 --> 3589.50] they're finally getting
[3589.50 --> 3590.68] in touch with their emotions,
[3590.88 --> 3591.34] praise the Lord,
[3591.72 --> 3593.00] but I think it's also deeper.
[3593.90 --> 3595.30] I think that their walk
[3595.30 --> 3595.80] with the Lord
[3595.80 --> 3597.48] is less of just a head thing
[3597.48 --> 3598.34] and more and more
[3598.34 --> 3600.10] of a head and heart thing.
[3601.40 --> 3602.20] And so as we think about
[3602.20 --> 3602.86] how do we actually
[3602.86 --> 3603.88] step into that,
[3604.20 --> 3606.08] I think to kind of
[3606.08 --> 3606.80] enter this love
[3606.80 --> 3608.02] does not happen by accident.
[3608.70 --> 3609.60] It requires both
[3609.60 --> 3611.16] imaginative reflection
[3611.16 --> 3612.96] and spiritual practices.
[3613.76 --> 3614.58] The late Tim Keller
[3614.58 --> 3615.76] spoke of the need
[3615.76 --> 3616.90] to find a metaphor
[3616.90 --> 3618.38] that really connected
[3618.38 --> 3619.48] to your own heart
[3619.48 --> 3621.06] that connects Christ's work
[3621.06 --> 3621.72] on the cross
[3621.72 --> 3622.74] to your life,
[3622.78 --> 3623.68] that makes it real.
[3623.68 --> 3625.04] What is it that really
[3625.04 --> 3626.30] captures your heart
[3626.30 --> 3627.34] that kind of connects
[3627.34 --> 3627.94] the dots?
[3628.60 --> 3629.12] He shared that how
[3629.12 --> 3630.20] one person who was
[3630.20 --> 3630.88] really caught up
[3630.88 --> 3631.68] in this temptation
[3631.68 --> 3633.00] to make a reputation
[3633.00 --> 3634.04] for himself,
[3634.74 --> 3635.36] how his heart
[3635.36 --> 3636.50] became transfixed
[3636.50 --> 3637.78] by the fact that Christ
[3637.78 --> 3639.38] gave up his reputation,
[3639.58 --> 3640.68] laid down image
[3640.68 --> 3641.86] and success and career
[3641.86 --> 3642.94] for us,
[3642.98 --> 3643.80] in pursuit of us.
[3644.94 --> 3645.36] Also,
[3645.70 --> 3645.96] how,
[3646.12 --> 3646.28] I mean,