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[1200.58 --> 1203.14] Although I extend that to you as well.
[1203.14 --> 1211.38] She was asked in an interview.
[1212.26 --> 1214.50] What does it mean that you forgive Larry Nassar?
[1215.78 --> 1216.62] And she says,
[1216.62 --> 1222.98] It means that I trust in God's justice and I release bitterness and anger and desire for personal vengeance.
[1223.18 --> 1227.06] It does not mean that I minimize or mitigate or excuse what he has done.
[1227.30 --> 1231.10] It does not mean that I pursue justice on earth any less zealously.
[1231.10 --> 1236.18] It simply means I release personal vengeance against him and I trust God's justice.
[1236.18 --> 1240.86] How does that line up with your idea of forgiveness?
[1247.70 --> 1258.92] There's too many horrible stories of abuse, particularly when they happen in churches where people almost want to protect the abuser.
[1258.92 --> 1261.82] And not call him to task.
[1264.14 --> 1265.10] It's not right.
[1266.22 --> 1270.34] Then Hollander had to actually leave the church she was in because of things like that.
[1273.56 --> 1277.66] And with that in mind, forgiveness isn't a one moment thing.
[1277.74 --> 1279.34] And it isn't one and done.
[1282.30 --> 1283.84] It isn't really a season.
[1283.84 --> 1284.82] It's a discipline.
[1285.04 --> 1286.06] It's a practice.
[1286.06 --> 1290.88] It involves following and forgiving like Jesus and learning to do that.
[1293.62 --> 1295.86] So this is a practice you work on.
[1297.24 --> 1299.64] And now some thoughts around what forgiveness is.
[1300.80 --> 1304.14] Forgiveness is when we return to God the right to carry out justice.
[1304.40 --> 1305.66] Now and in the days to come.
[1306.28 --> 1311.96] Too often, we can feel like we know justice better than God himself.
[1313.34 --> 1313.68] You know, right?
[1313.74 --> 1314.78] We want to say, Come on, God.
[1314.82 --> 1315.56] Get going on this one.
[1315.64 --> 1316.02] Do this.
[1316.14 --> 1317.18] This is what I think should be done.
[1317.66 --> 1321.66] And in Scripture, we read at one point, Vengeance is mine, says the Lord.
[1322.86 --> 1324.40] In a way, saying, Okay, you want vengeance?
[1324.50 --> 1325.52] Well, leave it to God.
[1325.64 --> 1327.40] Because that vengeance will actually be justice.
[1328.40 --> 1331.12] We have to be careful in our desires for vengeance.
[1331.80 --> 1332.68] For getting even.
[1333.14 --> 1334.50] As if we get it.
[1335.60 --> 1337.54] We confess God knows best.
[1338.54 --> 1339.94] And so we give God the reins.
[1339.94 --> 1340.54] Forgiveness.
[1340.54 --> 1344.62] But again, that doesn't mean that we don't seek justice like Rachel and Hollander did, for example.
[1345.34 --> 1349.16] Forgiveness is when we desire to do good instead of evil.
[1349.16 --> 1352.46] But it's not that we don't name the evil.
[1352.46 --> 1358.06] It frees us up to seek good.
[1358.06 --> 1360.18] Or to seek good out of harm.
[1360.18 --> 1363.36] Like then Hollander did.
[1363.36 --> 1369.84] So yes, there's going to be consequences for bad behavior with the hope of good for the one who harmed us.
[1370.24 --> 1370.40] Right?
[1370.44 --> 1371.50] And that's what Rachel was doing.
[1371.50 --> 1376.28] And I hope you feel the extent, the depth of your sin.
[1379.60 --> 1384.70] So you can throw yourself like the woman out of our first story.
[1385.04 --> 1389.96] Like the woman at Jesus' feet and seek his grace in desperation.
[1392.52 --> 1396.30] How many of you pray desperate prayers for grace?
[1396.30 --> 1396.36] Grace.
[1401.50 --> 1410.30] Forgiveness is when we seek that good will eventually come.
[1411.84 --> 1414.48] Scripture often talks about beauty for ashes.
[1414.84 --> 1414.94] Right?
[1415.32 --> 1417.60] Out of the burnt up ashes comes good.
[1418.56 --> 1420.66] And then forgiveness is an unmerited gift.
[1420.80 --> 1421.70] It isn't earned.
[1421.82 --> 1422.48] It's given.
[1423.10 --> 1424.84] We may tend to be like the Pharisee.
[1424.92 --> 1425.08] Right?
[1425.72 --> 1426.74] Evil is evil.
[1426.92 --> 1427.40] Avoid it.
[1427.48 --> 1430.78] Keep yourself clean by avoiding those who are unclean because you're better than them.
[1430.78 --> 1435.46] Now, I'm not suggesting that sometimes we don't avoid stepping into evil places.
[1435.52 --> 1437.38] Of course, that's just wise.
[1437.80 --> 1442.34] But we don't, like we shouldn't be driving to Vancouver on East Hastings and looking around and saying,
[1442.40 --> 1443.56] Oh, look at all these losers.
[1447.96 --> 1448.96] Because we're better.
[1452.06 --> 1453.40] I could never be an addict.
[1453.40 --> 1453.96] No?
[1454.96 --> 1455.14] No?
[1456.64 --> 1456.96] Okay.
[1458.36 --> 1458.92] I don't know.
[1459.44 --> 1460.86] Depends how you define addiction, I guess.
[1461.08 --> 1461.42] But anyways.
[1462.48 --> 1465.64] You know, and then forgiveness may happen, but it'll happen this way.
[1465.70 --> 1471.20] It'll see, you know, yeah, when you're all cleaned up, when you're all cleaned up, you come back to me and then I'll forgive you.
[1471.84 --> 1472.06] Right?
[1472.14 --> 1473.16] And then we play that game.
[1473.78 --> 1473.94] Right?
[1473.94 --> 1477.82] As opposed to where Scripture says, while we were yet sinners, Christ came to us.
[1478.32 --> 1481.34] While in the middle of the brokenness, somehow forgiveness is happening.
[1481.50 --> 1483.10] That doesn't mean the story's over.
[1483.88 --> 1485.32] But forgiveness starts then.
[1485.90 --> 1488.14] It's not easy to forgive.
[1488.14 --> 1494.60] You know, I think of my dad.
[1494.64 --> 1495.76] He passed away a number of years ago.
[1496.68 --> 1499.12] But he caused me a ton of pain in our family.
[1500.70 --> 1502.12] Lots of rage issues.
[1503.52 --> 1504.42] Some unfaithfulness.
[1510.16 --> 1510.56] Yeah.
[1511.90 --> 1513.38] Had to deal with a lot of counseling.
[1513.90 --> 1514.54] Lots of prayer.
[1515.66 --> 1516.52] I read a quote.
[1516.52 --> 1519.62] It says, forgiveness is setting someone free and realizing that person is you.
[1524.82 --> 1528.56] When I forgave, I felt more free to love my broken dad.
[1529.98 --> 1531.60] There was a lot of good in him, too.
[1532.50 --> 1533.68] Nobody's all of one thing.