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**Autumn Nash:** That gives me anxiety, because if there's one leak, I'm just like "Oh...!" Like... |
**Justin Garrison:** It sucks to work -- I've never worked in a data center that had that, but I've seen them, and it sucks to... If you have to replace a piece on the board, you've got to pull it out, dry it off, do all this stuff... |
**Pete Naylor:** I didn't think about that. You ruined it for me, man. I was so excited. I thought "This is really cool." |
**Justin Garrison:** It runs warmer. It's silent pretty much when you go in there, and you're just like "Wow, it's like 85 in here. 85 Fahrenheit. This is kind of warm. Where's the fans? What's going on right now?" And it's just weird. |
**Pete Naylor:** Yeah. Things are changing so much. So much. It's great. |
**Autumn Nash:** Talking about building databases under the water -- not databases, data centers; underneath the water. It's crazy what they're going to do to be able to support the amount of compute power that we're going to need for AI. |
**Justin Garrison:** \[01:10:00.21\] Well, we like hurricanes, and boiling the water is one way to get more hurricanes, so... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's like, this is the beginning of a horror movie, with the before times, before you ruined things... |
**Pete Naylor:** Some of that's kind of been going on for a while, where they choose to -- I guess Intel... Different companies have chosen -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Microsoft had that for a while. They had like a submerged -- |
**Pete Naylor:** ...chosen to locate their big data centers in places where the electricity is cheaper. These kinds of decisions \[unintelligible 01:10:25.18\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, Washington and Oregon - that's why US East or West 2 is where it is, because it was cheap power, nice cooling. And I know Facebook has white papers about putting their data centers in Arctic zone areas, where "Hey, guess what? We just open the windows, and it cools things down. That's amazing... |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. But it's always like "Are you raising the environmental heat?" I don't know. |
**Pete Naylor:** There's always a price to be paid. |
**Justin Garrison:** No free lunch. |
**Pete Naylor:** You see some of the stuff that's proposed about like underwater power generation, and those kinds of things... And I'm a diver, I'm like "I like to dive there." You're not going to let people like dive in and swim through these big turbines, right? |
**Autumn Nash:** Not just that, but please don't break the world for us. Sometimes we want to go outside. Can we not ruin the forest and the ocean? Because I think it's really pretty. |
**Pete Naylor:** Yeah, these will be more things, 10 years from now, when I have a lot more gray and you guys are on, I don't know, episode number whatever, you'll be looking back on some of this stuff and going "Oh, this was a bad idea, some of these things... It seemed good at the time." |
**Autumn Nash:** Is there anything during your long career that you're like "This is a horrible idea"? And then everybody was like "It's great!" And you were like "It's horrible." And it turned out to indeed be horrible. Because with as many things that happen over and over and over again, and it's all the same, I feel... |
**Pete Naylor:** Well, I don't know if this is a popular opinion or not, but I look at AI and a lot of the stuff that's happening around there... There's a ton of hype around it. And to me, it feels a little bit like the early days of the Internet... And it seems like it's cool, there's going to be something neat that ... |
**Justin Garrison:** I mean, I saw the Gartner report just recently. It was from July. 30% of AI projects will be retired by 2026. And I'm like "This is great news." |
**Autumn Nash:** Wow. 2026? |
**Justin Garrison:** 30%, they said by the end of 2025. I'm like "Awesome. Let's go. I am ready for it. Let's figure out what's noise and what's actually usable." |
**Pete Naylor:** Well, I mean, back to the whole thing of like this bazillion different database options... It's kind of like, when that stuff was going on, it was like, everybody's building a vector database. Everybody. They're all over the place. So you're creating this new database category, and... Where's the data ... |
**Autumn Nash:** Even Cassandra's asset now, it can do asset transactions. So it's what you were saying about how transactional and analytics and stuff, it's like, they're trying to do so much of both. It's interesting where this is all going to go. |
**Justin Garrison:** Pete, thank you so much for coming on the show. |
**Pete Naylor:** You're going to get rid of me now? I've talked too much... |
**Justin Garrison:** No, this has been fantastic. I love this conversation. But actually, we don't ever do Changelog Plus Plus stuff, like an after the show... We've already been going for over an hour. Can you explain vector databases to me in the Plus Plus portion of this episode? Because I've asked so many times, an... |
**Autumn Nash:** Pete's like "This is a lot of pressure." |
**Justin Garrison:** No, it's okay. I know what a graph database is... And everyone's like "It's a graph database with direction." And I'm like "That tells me nothing." |
**Pete Naylor:** I'm willing to give you my spin on it. I'm not 100 percent confident it's accurate, but it's the way that I think about it. |
**Justin Garrison:** So everyone -- thank you, Pete, for coming on. If you are a Plus Plus subscriber, stick around. We'll have a few more minutes of what Pete's spin of vector databases is. And maybe this will be a clip somewhere, I don't know. I don't ever do Plus Plus content, but I think it's a great topic, because... |
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