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**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Well, it gets a little tricky when you're talking about physiological processes... But unconscious is -- because that is automated; it's just automatic. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My body is gonna try to breathe. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. I'm not using mental energy in order to make my body breathe. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What about storing memories? I'm not actually trying to store them, my brain does it; is that unconscious? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Well, I love these conversations... \[laughs\] It's not that simple. There's the process with memory consolidation, so I have to have something occur, and then I have to encode it... Which sometimes that doesn't even happen. So yes, awareness would play a role, because if I'm not aware or ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, there's certain things you could do obviously to trigger the storage of memories. So you could play a role in it. But I don't say "Hey, Adam, that was a great memory. Store that." So in some cases, I kind of do that. I'm like "Man, I really wanna remember this moment for as long as I possibly ... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, so - a good example would be if I'm wanting to remember something, my awareness might be attuned to or around my sensory data. So I'm aware of what I can see, smell, touch, taste or hear, and I'm trying to encode that, take it in; I'm mindful of. Sort of like I watch the clouds pass ... |
But the challenge is the unconscious, according to -- so Freud, if any of you are familiar with him; pretty profound in the field of psychology... But he said that the unconscious mind is composed of all the information stored within us that's inaccessible to our conscious minds. So if you can think about it like an ic... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[12:23\] And this is why people can get quite confused, too... Because there's just so much learning involved in psychology, some debate, and in a lot of cases conflicting ideas potentially even... And just a lot of unknown, and still knowing, still learning what's happening. As you say, with the b... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. I mean, even when we talk about the brain and how we're electrochemical beings; there's brain structures, then there's neurotransmitters, there's neurons, there's electrical currents and chemical messengers that all exert an effect. So imagine whenever we're having these conversatio... |
So which thing came first, and how does that work, and if I'm staring at one part, I might amplify that in my perspective while I'm missing out on other relevant data that would actually help me to create the accurate picture. But this is why we study, and it's a constant, changing evolution of ideas and curiosity that... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And the reason why we're having this conversation and talking about this subject in particular is just because we have a lot of thinkers listening to this show... So one more aspect to problem-solving, if you're not aware, is just sort of stepping away from the problem itself and exploring a bit... ... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. Because I'm pretty sure, especially in the world of technology, problems emerge daily. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Constantly. At any given moment there's a problem to solve, but it's a matter of which one is the most important, which one is gonna get my team, my thing, my product, whatever I'm working on to the next milestone necessary... So it's a lot of sorting, in terms of like importance, and essentialism. ... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Mm-hm. And the wrong name can also help them fall flat, right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Catastrophic, yeah. Terrible. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** And part of that has to do with all of these associations. So I'm always thankful for researchers who spend the time to go dig deeper, and that help all of us put this puzzle together a little bit better. A couple of those were Corinne Canter from the Human Synergistics, and then Dr. Trish... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[16:32\] That's not even like in the millions, it's not even like in the thousands. It's just like 40. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** And then she goes on and says "The brainwave patterns between an active unconscious mind and a fragmented or stressed state of mind is also vastly different." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So this is why it's important to reduce stress. Not just for health reasons, but for thinking reasons. To be a better thinker. Like we've talked about before, to be a better thinker, like we talked about before - to be a better thinker, to have an awareness of your mental framework. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. And I think a lot of us can relate to this even now; even just people that I talk with, and my own experience, other friends, family - of just sort of decision-fatigue, with problem solving around how to I make decisions when I don't know? There's so much uncertainty in going "Okay,... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very tiring. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The description alone was very tiring. I can imagine the person... I'm just saying, I can feel for whomever that might have been. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right? So the thing is that our brain has to be in an optimal state for our parietal cortex to become active and do the problem-solving. This optimal state involves your temporal lobe, where you have all your emotions and stress that need to stay super-calm, and so there also needs to be a... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** And then I can solve the problem. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha, gotcha. Let's break down in sort of laymen's terms these brainwaves. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Well, I'm excited to talk about this, because we've talked a little bit about sleep... Basically, like I said, we've got these electrochemical processes going on in our brain, and so electrical activity emanating from the brain is displayed in the form of brainwaves. While there are differ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. Capital H, small z (Hz). |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yes. While one might be in the forefront, or running front and center, it doesn't mean the other ones aren't there and operating as well; they're just not leading the pack, so to speak. There's generally four categories of these brainwaves, and these are ranging from the most activity, to ... |
Beta waves range from 15 to 40 cycles in a second. I think of this like "Try harder." You are actively engaged, you're making a speech... This is the interesting thing in doing speaking - while I'm talking and I'm trying to remember the sequence of all the things I'm going to share with an audience, I'm doing the one t... |
\[20:17\] Then we've got alpha waves. Alpha represents non-arousal. Sort of the contrast, dare I say, to beta. These are slower, and yet higher in amplitude. These are like 8 to 12 Hz. Someone who's done something and then sits down. Or if you're meditating, you're usually in this alpha state. |
Or -- I love this... I think of it sort of like being out in nature, and those things that sort of speak to you - it's like, "Everything is alright with the world." Or it could just be the right Starbucks coffee. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. Whatever it is to you, really. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. So going down, then I've got Theta waves. Theta waves are typically even greater amplitude, but slower frequency. By frequency, I'm talking like 5 to 8 cycles a second. Beta was up there at that 15 to 40, and then we had 9 to 14 for our alpha waves, and this is 5 to 8 cycles a second... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah... Or I was following the directions and I missed my turn, because I was just so lost in the moment. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right, yeah. This is interesting, because a lot of people who do freeway driving actually get super-good ideas during this time. When you run outside, it's in this state where things are so automated that you literally mentally disengage from them. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, it's almost like as if you let all these things that are normally stressed take a rest. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yup, I love that. Stress, then take a rest. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's all sort of activated, and then they get a chance to just chill out and take a seat. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. So the other thing is that typically Theta waves is -- the thoughts you think during this time are very positive. They free-flow; there isn't this sort of censoring or guilt... It's just "I feel good." |
And then dropping down, we've got Delta waves. These are the greatest amplitude and the slowest frequency. They typically center around 1.5 to 4 cycles per second. They don't go to zero... Do you know why? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Why? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Because then you're dead. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, boy. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Don't go to zero... |
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