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[S1] Uh, the seventh circuit recently in an opinion by, uh, Frank Easterbrook, that Posner joined, uh, Dick Posner joined- [S2] Chicago. [S1] ... said, uh, yes, that, that's Chicago, said, um, well, we're not going to decide that issue. It should be for the Supreme Court to decide it. Um, the ninth circuit thought, wel...
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[S1] It seemed to me at least plausible that there's a very touchy political background there, that the court doesn't want to find in 1939 the government correct, that it's a collective right, but at the same time, they don't want to overrule the government. Uh, what I'm getting at is the Second Amendment seems to be s...
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[S1] Well, a case, I had no choice. The case, uh, the district, uh, court had reached a decision on the case and there was an appeal. [S2] Simple as that. [S1] Simple as that. Court of appeals, court of appeals must take a case- [S2] All right. [S1] ... that is appealed to it. It does not have the discretion the Suprem...
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[S1] Yes, I should interrupt to say that, uh, Republicans would refer to it as the Silberman-Raab Commission and Democrats as the Raab-Silberman Commission. [S2] Right. And if I ever interview Senator Raab, I can't promise that I might not, uh, call it- [S1] Well, I prefer- I used to always- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I always...
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[S1] But I did not, our report did not speak to that because that was a, more of a political issue and we were rigorously bipartisan. And of course as a federal judge, I was rather careful to stay out of politics. [S2] Right. [S1] But I'm inclined to think it, we're getting close to the period where, for historical pur...
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[S1] Uh, well, the information they had was not very good. It, it was based, as our report indicated, on a lot of fundamental and almost amateurish mistakes, some of them attributable to a lack of sharing of information in the intelligence community. So that, for instance, on the, I'll just give you one example. [S2] S...
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[S1] believed he had the weapons of mass destruction 'cause he was running a big bluff. [S2] He was bluffing his own generals. [S1] He was bluffing his own people. And Iran. He has recently said, uh, we now, we now know from recent material, when he was interrogated post the war, he said he wanted to run a, he indicate...
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[S1] Had the intelligence community said that, I think probably the country would have gone to war anyway. [S2] Right. [S1] Since most people were quite convinced that he had them. Uh, it was counter-intuitive to believe that he had destroyed them and it was running this bluff. Uh, so it's a, it's a bit unfair to say w...
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[S1] ... to have concluded that he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. And beyond that, even then, he was planning to resume his weapons of mass destruction after the sanctioned regime. [S2] Well, now, but you don't mean to be, to provide a kind of sort of exculpatory comments about the intelligence community. [...
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[S1] No, they did do a lousy job. But I'm discussing counterfactual history. [S2] Okay. [S1] And what I think historians will have to look at, and they'll begin to look at when the political winds die down in Washington, is did we go to war based on mistaken intelligence, or even if there had been a good intelligence, ...
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[S1] 'Cause it would've been impossible to know he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. And even if we had known that, we would also have known that he planned to resume them. [S2] Right. [S1] So, so I sometimes wonder whether it could be said this was a war of choice, or really whether it was an inevitable war, ...
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[S1] which threatens the vitality of our forms of capitalism and democracy." Close quote. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You want to stick with that? You'd stay with it? You'd...
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[S1] Uh, as a result, I think when I did this, the latest, uh, redraft or re-thinking of that topic, I, I noted that the number of lawyers in the United States was twice the number per capita- [S2] Right. [S1] ... as it was true in, uh, '61. [S2] I've got-
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[S1] to the legal process. Close quote. You are a graduate of Dartmouth College, a fancy pants institution, and Harvard College, another fancy pants institution. [S2] Harvard Law School. [S1] Harvard Law School, and you have taught for years at Georgetown University Law School. You've spent some time in elite instituti...
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[S1] Well, I'm, I'm, I hope not. I'm not slamming those particular institutions. Uh, I am concerned about it, the disproportionate amount of talent in the United States that goes into the legal profession because it is not, I don't think, good for the country. I'd rather see a, a smaller percentage of our talented peop...
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[S1] Create wealth. [S2] One more quotation here. Law school- [S1] Incidentally- [S2] Go ahead. [S1] Uh, Derek Bach, who was president of Harvard, who was my professor at Harvard Law School, uh, some years after I gave that, uh, article, gave a speech in which he, uh, reflected the same views, that, that disproportiona...
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[S1] You're concerned about the growth of lawyering, but you also make the point at a number of places, in 1977, that academia is distrustful, to a large, a remarkable extent, of capitalism and business and indeed of the democratic process. Would you care to stand by that statement today, that point? [S2] Absolutely. [...
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[S1] But a more dramatic example might be, uh, brought to bear from Germany, when the academics in Germany were one of the first groups to in- embrace Nazism. [S2] Mm. [S1] So I'm not sure academics are necessarily, uh, drawn to the left. They're drawn to, uh, overall systems.
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[S1] ... through that problem. [S2] It's a good question, Peter, but it isn't, I don't think it's quite true to say that, uh, originalism, originalism and stare decisis are intention as a doctrine. They're not intention as a doctrine. [S1] Oh, they're not? [S2] I would put it this way. [S1] Yeah. [S2] If you were an or...
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[S1] I stated that before I became a judge, so I- [S2] You're on record on that one. [S1] Although I also indicated at the time that I was pro-choice. Uh, so, but I was very much opposed to Roe v. Wade before I became a judge. Um, okay. So you conclude that
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[S1] Do you see what I mean? They're not- [S2] Yes, yes. [S1] It's a, and, uh- [S2] They're not intellectually inconsistent. It's a question of a suit, of a, choosing in which case and for which set of reasons one may be forced to trump the other. [S1] Exactly right. [S2] To choose one trumping the other. [S1] Exactly ...
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[S1] but it's too late to do anything about it. So what's the point in being an originalist if it's too late to do anything about anything? It's, it just, it reminds me of, uh, this quotation from G.K. Chesterton, "The job of progressives is to keep on making mistakes, and the job of conservatives is to keep- [S2] To p...
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[S1] often questions that haven't been decided. [S2] Often? Well, so, again, here is a layman again. I'm trying to, what I'm sorting out and trying to sort out is- [S1] Perhaps- [S2] I find- [S1] ... or modify often, I'll say occasionally. [S2] Okay. Well, so, so that, I myself personally find the originalist position ...
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[S1] Even as brilliant and committed an originalist as Judge Lawrence Silberman is only able to get back to the original meaning of the Constitution in a case where there was no major decision for seven decades. [S2] No, that's not a- [S1] No, okay. [S2] That's an unfair statement. [S1] All right, good. [S2] That's an ...
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[S1] Uh, and one could logically conclude that, well, now wait a minute, 20 years later, at that point, you've, you've got too many settled expectations. The, the argument in favor of not overruling Roe v. Wade in 2009 is stronger than it was, uh, in early '90s. [S2] And, and the, as a general matter, the argument for ...
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[S1] Although, although you, you would, you should be able to pop into my m- base. Well, what about, uh, the, uh, Plessy versus Ferguson? Which- [S2] You mean Plessy? [S1] Plessy versus Ferguson is a case in the 1890s holding that segregated schools are perfectly constitutional. [S2] Right. [S1] And, uh- [S2] And it ge...
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[S1] ... that the incorporation doctrine was a fiction and you shouldn't buy it, you would be ripping out not just one case or two cases or three cases, you'd be ripping out hundreds of cases. And incidentally, I still make the point, even if you didn't have an incorporation doctrine, the Second Amendment could well be...
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[S1] There are probably three or four justices on the Supreme Court who I gather would love to conclude that capital punishment is unconstitutional. [S2] And it- [S1] Originalist would say, "That's absurd. That's utterly absurd."
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[S1] And I said, "Yes, and on economic affairs, on taxation, on contract rights on property, it has been interpreted essentially to, to ensure what you would call parliamentary and what we will call congressional supremacy." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Uh, the question is, how do they achieve this particular result, and then why...
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[S1] ... the just compensation side of it. And a well-functioning government will try to match its benefits with its burdens, so the compensation that you get from the tax is in the form of public services. Well, the next question is, "That's not a bad formula. How would this tax apply under that formula?" Well, people...
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[S1] ... your, uh, well. [S2] You got me going. [S1] I was, I was going to say a colleague, and that makes it, not a, nobody is quite a liber- nobody has quite the view of the Constitution that you have, but Antonin Scalia has had it up to here with legislative intent. But may, but this is one place where perhaps legis...
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[S1] ... of the additional taxes that they're now being asked to pay. They're being singled out for special treatment, and it's being imposed upon them retroactively in the sense that the Congress had already signed off on the contract. [S2] Right. Right. [S1] All you need to know is special and retroactive to damn it ...
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[S1] ... things that they ought not to get. Anything counts as a reason. [S2] So in the analysis of Richard Epstein, the Supreme Court of the United States does not do constitutional law seriously. [S1] Well, it doesn't do it well, that's for sure. And the reason ... [S2] Okay. Hold on. Let me move to a slightly differ...
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[S1] ... the state. And Obama- [S2] You would agree with Sandra Day O'Connor? [S1] It's, enough is- [S2] Let the, let the thing dwindle down to nothing, shouldn't take more than a quarter of a century. [S1] Well, I, I don't agree with it. [S2] Not affirmative action. [S1] I mean, I-
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[S1] Well, I, I don't agree with it. [S2] With affirmative action. [S1] I mean, uh, the affirmative action stuff is not what I worry about. What I worry about is the coercive side of this in which you sue people for violation of the anti-discrimination laws. Now, we've already seen the coercion come to bear with the Li...
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[S1] segment two, collapse. In October of 2007, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at over 14,000. [S2] Hello. [S1] Those were the days. By early March of this year, the Dow had fallen to just over 6,500. That's a decline of more than half. What happened? [S2] Well, I just want to ask a question like this of a lawy...
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[S1] Okay, well, it, there is no single cause about what this happened. The first seepage started with respect to the subprime crisis. And, and this was largely a function of private parties responding to government incentives, and the government incentives were perverse, so the actions of the private parties were perv...
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[S1] Yes, I, I mean, anybody who can count and see that the interest rates that are being charged is below the rate of inflation realize that you're getting free money when you're borrowing. [S2] Okay. [S1] And if you then combine that with the situation where they'll be through Fannie and Freddie Mac and then through ...
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[S1] Well, I'm much closer to John Taylor than I am to Paul Krugman on this and probably every other question. And the account that I just gave dealing with the way in which the feds changed the money rate, um, is in fact an account of how regulation fails in some sense. [S2] What about that 2004, I think it was 2004, ...
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[S1] ... this entire problem. What that means in ordinary English is if Goldman is dealing with bear spurns, each of them knows enough about what's going on that we can trust them to make sure that the deals are stable. And so they relax the margin requirements. And I remember taking a deep breath saying, "Why on the e...
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[S1] ... with it, and the counter party protection takes into account some of the losses that you have to worry about, but it doesn't take into account all the losses that you have to worry about. [S2] So what you're making is a pretty standard free market libertarian argument. Milton Friedman would have made the same ...
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[S1] Is that correct? [S2] Yes. And, and the question is what kind of externalities. [S1] Okay. [S2] And in this particular case, oh, what you're worried about is a kind of a domino effect with respect to the credit transactions going one after another. [S1] Right. [S2] A crisis of confidence that follows. And so what ...
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[S1] Not really. Um, let me sort of indicate what I think the first, the proper approach is structurally and then how to treat it substantively. Uh- [S2] In the early days. [S1] In the early days. [S2] I'm gonna come to Obama in a moment. [S1] Yes. I mean, we're, we're not gonna go, the first and kind of difficult situ...
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[S1] ... claim that they had been given a haircut. That was a good, not necessarily a bad sign. [S2] You're saying that Bernanke and then-Treasury Secretary Paulson handled it reasonably well. [S1] Uh, but- [S2] They, they, they achieved a close facsimile of actual bankruptcy. [S1] ... bankruptcy, but the mistake was t...
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[S1] ... down. [S2] And, and, well, see, it won't go down, but bankruptcy has its two forms. It has liquidation and it has reorganization. [S1] Right. [S2] If a concern has going concern value, that is it continues to work in a sensible way- [S1] Which Bayer did. [S2] ... you'll keep it alive in the reorganization thin...
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[S1] bailout, you've got to do my favorite things, and measures that could never pass while standing alone get passed when bundled up with everything else. [S2] Right. [S1] And that's just a terrible kind of mistake. And so if you put this stuff into the bankruptcy situation, no bankruptcy judge can pass a mental healt...
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[S1] political question. [S2] You know what they, can I just, one of the common threads here in your comments about the Bush administration and the Obama administration is that they don't know enough about bankruptcy law. They don't understand. They, it sounds to me as though they're permitting themselves to be spooked...
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[S1] What we do is we take it away from experts and give it to a collection of congressional individuals who are charitably called clowns. I mean, it, it really makes no sense whatsoever to do it in this particular fashion. And as I look this over time and time again, I'm always struck about how it is when you bring th...
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[S1] ... economy. And, and here I have a very mixed emotions. There are certainly very respectable people like Gary Becker who said, "You put it in today and then you pull it out tomorrow." I'm not that confident that anyone could be a fine tuner. [S2] I, I want to distinguish here. For sure, you would, you would accep...
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[S1] ... that you believe. He keeps all of his thoughts to himself. [S2] So he's Len- Leonard Nimoy- [S1] Yes. [S2] ... playing Spock. [S1] Yes. [S2] He's the Vulcan. [S1] He basically knows how to keep that shield over his face. Um, and it's almost a little bit unnerving to talk to him because you want to say, "Well, ...
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[S1] ... situation. He thinks that the creation of private wealth is something that government cannot influence or destroy. And so you have all of your fancy redistribution schemes and you read every one of them up here, right? [S2] Right. [S1] And you forgot to mention the health plan that he's put in favor of. And yo...
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[S1] ... do not have. [S2] From the Boston Globe. You, you talk to a reporter at the Globe and the Globe- [S1] You're very thorough. [S2] ... and the Globe wrote, quote, "Richard Epstein, who taught with Obama at the University of Chicago, rejects the suggestion that Obama is an intellectual, arguing that he merely mim...
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[S1] He was president of the Law Review at Harvard, but never wrote an article. He never wrote anything. [S2] Well, if he did, it was unsigned, and it certainly wasn't going to be significant, but he never wrote anything in an academic nature. It's just not- [S1] But you give him tenure? [S2] No. [S1] At the University...
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[S1] No, no, no. I mean, this is, Jody Canter got this story from somebody, and I don't know where it was, although I have my hunches, that we had made him a tenured offer. What we did, at least the faculty, he was such an engaging fellow. Everybody, myself included, would have been more than thrilled to offer him a te...
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[S1] And for that, we never got there because one of the things about this man is he has this high level of self-knowledge, as anybody I've ever met, in the sense he realized he wasn't cut out for academics. Hell, I'm not cut out to be President of the United States, so we're even, right? And he, [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] ......
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[S1] ... job in terms of his intellectual format, the question is whether you could force him back. [S2] Uh, smaller point, but maybe not so small. He has a reputation as a brilliant orator. We now know that he will not give even brief remarks, the kinds of things that chief executives from Washington through Reagan th...
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[S1] Well, same point. He's very much a man who wants to be in total control. [S2] All right. [S1] And the moment you start to improvise, you're like me, and you'll start calling the president this guy, and then you'll say, "No, that's not the phrase I should have been using under this circumstance."
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[S1] Let's pursue that. Segment five, Epstein on policy. [S2] Okay. [S1] The Democrats hold the White House, both houses of Congress, as you know. A couple of measures that they seem to want and your views on them. The so-called Employee Free Choice Act, which you're just talking about here, commonly called the card ch...
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[S1] And there's no appeal from it. And there's no standards for which the arbitration has to take place. And so the argument I made is that notwithstanding the fact that we allow everything by way of taxation and everything by way of contract regulation, the rules have always been that we will never force you into a d...
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[S1] ... the card check legislation, the arbit- the mandatory arbitration would cross a constitutional line. [S2] Yeah, and now the card check is a different issue. [S1] Can I just ask, when you say it's unconstitutional, do you mean it's unconstitutional if we were construing the constitution properly, or it's so unco...
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[S1] So unconstitutional that even the Supreme Court would find this one unconstitutional. [S2] Got it. [S1] I actually have been, much to my own surprise, what happens is you give people an inch, they take a mile. And so after a while, you get the kind of legislation in this constitutional environment that nobody woul...
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[S1] ... which is what you're doing, um, do you have to give them a chance to talk? And when they did the Wagner Act, this was absolutely critical. You had an election for the union and you had a ratification for the contract, all which had to go through some kind of political deliberative process. [S2] Right. [S1] So ...
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[S1] Well, you know what, um, I'm- [S2] Which would do the trick. [S1] Um, yes, I, I, well, you never quite know. I think the first one on, on the mandatory arbitration piece is pretty compelling. I could see winning nine votes on that one. I mean, I've never met a person when you've actually explained what this partic...
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[S1] And the Fed appears to, particularly with this recent announcement that it'll buy 1.2 billion in long-term instruments. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That's unprecedented. The Fed appears to have surrendered its independence to become a tool of administration economic policy. One institution after another being swept aside, one...
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[S1] What they found is understood, perhaps, but could not possibly design around. If every organization that you have, the president, the Senate, right, the House of Representatives, and the court, seems to be- [S2] And the press. [S1] And the press. [S2] And the Fed. [S1] And- [S2] Those that are willing to join the ...
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[S1] Now, see, that's the bit where it does resemble Guatemala rather than 1950s Britain. [S2] Well- [S1] Don't you think there's a certain- [S2] Well- [S1] There's a feel of a cult of person- You see two million people on the mall chanting Obama on inauguration day- [S2] Um, that- [S1] Does that make you nervous or is...
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[S1] No, no, that, that doesn't make me particularly nervous. [S2] All right. [S1] 'Cause there was nothing particularly directed against it. That was all fuzzy good will. [S2] All right. [S1] What gets me nervous is not when people are praising and hugging one another, it's when they are ganging up and attacking a bun...
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[S1] Nobody wants to join in an Obama plan. By the way, the Geithner plan is not very good because I think there's just too much- [S2] Right. [S1] ... federal risk and guarantees built into the entire system. But nobody wants to work at it because they're afraid they won't get any guarantees on compensation. And this i...
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[S1] ... against invasions of possession, but we're not protected in terms of the way in which we use and dispose of our property. And that's a huge part of what a market economy requires, and it's what the president doesn't understand. [S2] Last question. [S1] Yeah. [S2] If you could make one request of your old neigh...
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[S1] ... it. [S2] So, also though, kiting in and out of those brush, the timing on when the auto attack of your opponent coming out, that can mean the difference in a one-to-one victory. [S1] Yep. Oh, uh, important thing though, uh, keep in mind that, uh, sweeper is used by Maple, but not by Caps, so important cooldown...
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[S1] Well, Uzi definitely has quite a few dollars of his own. [S2] Uh, as? [S1] One of the most famous players, maybe actually, uh, yeah, I don't know. Maybe the very close with Faker. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, but yeah, one of the two most famous players in the world. One of the most successful, especially on Howling Abyss,...
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[S1] ... thing is the axes as well with Olaf. You always have to pay attention. I mean, most of the early points are going to go into Q, so making sure you land that on the champion model, as we said last time when we had our Olaf 1v1 mirror, is going to be huge. [S2] Oh, he lands the Q. This could be it right now. Wil...
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[S1] ... the same example of the wave resetting in time, that Uzi got to grab his own health rally. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So th- yeah, you- you can find ways to play around that. I don't know if it was Uzi's plan or if, uh, Evi kind of dropped, uh, like a possible way to push that wave differently, but at least that is some-...
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[S1] Olaf under tower, a lot more difficult to try and clean those minions up because Uzi has half a bar of mana to harass him with. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Is able to hit the cannon with his axe, though. [S2] Yeah, that's something. That's, that's gonna be pretty good. But now I wonder when Evi gets a, a recall off 'cause a...
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[S1] It actually got pretty close. The Ax was about to come back up once you pick it up, refunding the cool down there. [S2] Yeah. [S1] He had about a quarter of a second left on the next Ax to come through. Uh, so it was a little bit closer than that health bar told, but- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... again, Uzi moves on once...
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[S1] Yeah, it's going to be exciting. Just to give you the quick overview of the tournament structure, uh, in the top eight, 1v1, it's still best of one, so four single games. Immediately following those four games, we will play the semi-finals, which will be BO3. So we'll have four best of ones into back-to-back best ...
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[S1] I mean, and Pabu here with the blue hair that was just on your screen there. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, he's been kind of an underdog for the 1v1 tournaments considering, you know, how famous a lot of the, the names in this tournament that have been going far are. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But now he's up against Faker, one of his...
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[S1] ... to be fair, I'm going to walk back what I said, 'cause you recorded me from yesterday. [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] You really said, "Hey, how good do you think Mordekaiser is?" And I was like, "Probably not very." He's like, "But I think it's good on Heimdingger." I'm like, "Okay." And there's no Heimdingger, so he's no...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] That one. [S1] I don't, yeah, even his level six, oh, and he's not even that strong, so. We'll see, though. Faker, uh, I, I actually have been liking watching Faker at All Stars. He's been more emo- [S2] You like watching Faker? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Oh, you hipster freak. [S1] I'm such a hipster. He's been v...
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[S1] ... Darius, which is gonna be... [S2] Ooh. [S1] ... very spicy. [S2] I mean, I honestly think this could be really hard for the Darius. He does have Flash and Ghost, though. Uh, he's gonna need all that mobility. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Because, uh, Faker here, uh, can obviously ground him, uh, get extra speed with the po...
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[S1] So one thing I want to theory craft on the runes right here for this Darius is I actually don't like that he went, uh, Coup de Grace, which is bonus damage on low health, 'cause he'll execute with the ult, which is already true damage and won't be able to play. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I would rather he take Last Stand, 'c...
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[S1] ... both summoners out. [S2] Okay. Now, he has a bit of a health leak clearing out some of the minions here, but Baker returning. Uh, there's no other gap closers for Darius with both summoners down. [S1] Yeah. If Baker lands a Q, he can kite this forever. So probably just trying to, like, get away from the Q. If ...
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[S1] Not all of them are that great for 1v1s, but definitely agree. [S2] True. [S1] The options are there. [S2] But they've done what they could. So we'll see what comes through in this one. Best of three. We have not seen it from the top eight onwards, any handshake matchups. Uh, we've had a Nico Mir, but that seemed ...
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[S1] Okay, my fourth pick is Nico here. [S2] That, I, I think the one clue that would support your argument would be slightly different runes. 'Cause usually when they decide ahead of time- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... they match up everything, runes and summoner spells and that and the like, so. I'll back you up for a little b...
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[S1] All right, and we are back in with Champion Select now because we're into the serious mode where we need to see what they ban, what they get rid of. [S2] Okay, pretty, pretty realistic bans here. [S1] Yep. [S2] With the forgotten Jayce coming out. [S1] You see the Darius ban. It took down Faker, he knows. [S2] Yea...
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[S1] All right. [S2] ... and this is mobile right now for Pabu. [S1] He's going back to the Akali. Now, this is a champion with insane level six burst. Also, you can look really cool while you're going for these kills. Uh, and honestly, I think that Pabu might want to take it before the level six then, because Akali ge...
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[S1] You have to be ready for the window. I think, much like real life, if the good opportunity presents itself, no matter where it is and, uh, how long it is, you should, you have to be ready to jump on it in an Olaf versus Akali matchup because, uh, the timer is a-tickin'. [S2] Life advice with Professor Kobe. [S1] [...
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[S1] Oh, we have a Nimbus Cloak. Oh, he did that last time too. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, but last time I think he had Celerity, right? [S2] He did have Celerity. [S1] He had Celerity and Nimbus Cloak. Now he's decided the extra damage from, uh, Absolute Focus is gonna give him the edge. [S2] I like the dance-off though. Thi...
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[S1] Yeah. All right, all right. That was cool, though. That was, that was pretty close, though. And I think th- it definitely would have been either player, but probably just gotta do the run back now. He's got a two eldest one. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We get lots and lots of reaction shots, but they're gonna be ready to go s...
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[S1] But, I mean, I forget what second wind fights, but like Overgrowth is also bonus health. Arguably shield bash is- [S2] So, the thing is, that's not his main stat tree, so you can go down to a different one. You don't have to take one from that line that fights with shield bash. [S1] He, he did all of it just to ta...
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[S1] Same, same deal with, uh, Summoner's Rift as well. [S2] Yep. [S1] And again, even, we have moved on to the semi-finals, so we can reiterate our, the Caitlyn grasp meta that has emerged. [S2] Right, yeah. [S1] It's just a 1v1 thing. [S2] Yeah, the solo queue thing is gone. [S1] Super common. Uh, actually across mos...
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