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[S1] Oh, very early. I was, I was the kid that would scare all my cousins and get in trouble and- [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] ... really elaborate stuff. Like- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... set up Ouija boards and, and, and, you know, everybody touches it and, and I'd be like, "Nobody, nobody pushed us. Just let the ghost do it." And, you...
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[S1] The great thing with kids is how many times you can, if they're young enough, scare them on- [S2] I know you keep doing it and keep doing it. [S1] But I used to do this thing, I'd, I'd just pretend I was dead. I'd be alone with them. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And I'd go, "Uncle Norm, Uncle Norm." It just went longer. And...
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[S1] 'Cause I can see that when people do drugs when they're young, that's when they're most creative and that's when- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... they get blunted by, uh, narcotics, you know, or alcohol. But you clearly hit your stride like these- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... artists like, uh, like, uh, PTA or- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ....
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[S1] and you have all of this kind of purity of your instincts, and you have just enough craft to execute those instincts, and you have this perfect moment there. Sometimes it happens young, you know, that moment. And then as you keep going as an artist, you, you use craft to protect you, so you know more, you have mor...
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[S1] philosophical, but- [S2] Oh, but did you, did you, you had very early, uh, insane success, like, uh, we talked about. And then right after that, a slide. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And then how, how deep did you fall, or how deep- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... did you feel you felt in Hollywood?
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[S1] Yeah, I would say sci-fi and, and, and- [S2] Spielberg. [S1] Yeah, Spielberg. I grew up at the exact right time- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... to be, to be a, a filmmaker. Just exactly. Like, it was like Spielberg and Lucas were making movies for me. [S2] Yeah. [S1] They were, you know, Star Wars and Rares a la Stark, and...
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[S1] And lost. So they, uh, they, they had to- [S2] Lost went past the books? [S1] Yeah. And lost, they just panicked and they said to- [S2] Yeah. [S1] Everybody's dead, which I think is the first thing you go to.
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[S1] What about, uh, uh, you know, it's very hard to, to get a child to watch this, but, uh, uh, silent film. [S2] Mm. [S1] First of all, uh, this question just- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... came to me as I was asking you, but would a silent film be of great help to you as a filmmaker to study?
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[S1] and you would feel the emotion of what was happening. Like, you know, one time I was on a plane and there was, um, the movie, the movie Ghost was on. I was a kid, and the movie Ghost was on. But the sound, I didn't have the headphones, and I was getting emotional watching it. [S2] Wow. [S1] And, and that's just fr...
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[S1] It fits. Very good. [S2] But you are from Pittsburgh, right? [S1] Yeah. Outside of Pittsburgh. [S2] Another joke. And I get in trouble for this, 'cause when I, uh, went to Saturday Night Live, uh, John Lovett's came and hosted it. I'm like, "Why are you stealing Michael Keaton's fret?" Right? [S1] Yeah. [S2] And h...
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[S1] It's coincidental. And you know, this is a thing that you and I have in common. Um, one, the two best stand-ups that ever lived, and the other, we're both half Scottish and half Irish. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Isn't that interesting?
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[S1] country. [S2] At that time. [S1] Billy Joe Shaver, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Who I love. He's actually my best friend. But, uh- [S2] Is that true? Do you know? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Really? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I know him very well. But every time he, he comes here, he's like- [S2] He's a very Christian dude, isn't h...
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[S1] This is Billy Joe's book, by the way. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] It's called Hong Kong- [S2] I'm so full of crap, man. [S1] Oh, Hong Kong Hero, isn't it? Yeah. Hong Kong Hero, Bill Joe Schaver. That's such an awesome picture. That's from- [S2] Oh, it is.
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[S1] The best one that would rock my boat was peyote. [S2] Peyote? [S1] Peyote, whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong. [S2] No, I, I'm sorry. [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Especially you. [S2] You... [S1] I keep trying. We try. We try. Don't we try? [S2] [LAUGHS] Force demand, absolutely. [S1] Who are your country heroes? When you were growing up. [S2] When I was growing up? [S1] Yeah, when you were a boy. Well, Hank Williams, obviously. [S2] I liked, uh, uh, Jimmy Rogers better tha...
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[S1] don't need to be greased, you know, like a wheel or something. [S2] I'm sorry, don't need to be greased. [S1] Simplicity don't need to be greased. [S2] Mm. [S1] And that's a good, I came up with that saying. [S2] Oh, I like that. Yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Boom. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Simplicity don't mean, or- [S1] Don...
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[S1] Oh, man, come on, now. [S2] Now, uh, but that is what I like. Now, do you find, because I find your songs are so, uh, pithy, you know, so, uh, so few words, but so much in those few words. [S1] Yeah, I work on that, yeah. [S2] Do you work on it by constantly rewriting, cutting out words, cutting out- [S1] Not real...
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[S1] ... tiny. [S2] Looking for tiny, yeah. So, uh, uh, for those th- who don't understand or, uh, know country music as, uh, well as other people, you come to Nashville, you get together with Waylon Jennings, you make the greatest country, uh, album that's ever been, Honky Tonk Heroes, then, mysteriously, you and Wayl...
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[S1] And he said, "I'll never do another one of your songs." [S2] So, so there was a write up in the Rolling Stone. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And what did they say? [S1] They just said, uh, the real hero of Honky Tonk Heroes is Billy Joe Shaver. And I had nothing to do with it. [S2] Yeah, yeah, of course. [S1] And, uh, and, and ...
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[S1] I did one, one song, now I did, uh, on You Ask Me To. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, and he, he wanted a song on that album. He said, "I want a song with my name on it." And I said, "Okay." So I was writing on this song called You, Just Because You Asked Me To.
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[S1] Good. Good for me, yeah. [S2] All right, we're back with Billy Joe Shaver. Now, this is the part of the show, Billy Joe, where we read jokes. [S1] Am I a slobbering again? [S2] No, you're not. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] We read jokes off blue cards. [S1] Okey-dokey. [S2] So you want to start? [S1] Why not? [S2] Why not? H...
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[S1] But relax, you got a five head. [S2] Yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] [LAUGHS] You got a five heads. [S1] It's funny and accurate. [S2] Hey. [S1] Oh, fuck. [S2] I'll give you the last one. Are you ready? [S1] Uh, I never was, but yeah. [S2] Now, first of all, let me say, this has been a real, a real two-holer of an interv...
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[S1] The bladder. [S2] Pig's bladder. [S1] Pig's bladder. A meat pig. [S2] Meat from the pig, which is a ramp. It's the culatello. [S1] Culatello. [S2] Culatello. What makes this recipe is the fog, is the silent. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] These are the ingredients as well of this pig. [S1] El tempo, el time. [S2] El time.
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[S1] What the cookery of that time was like. Obviously, this is not the cookery of the poor people. This is the cookery of the rich. The recipe are very simply written, but is a very intelligent book because he has reference to French food, he has reference to Far East food. So, it shows you how sophisticated they were...
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[S1] This is our first meal in Lazio, so I could not, you know, ignore what is the great tradition in the, have in this region, which is the Quinto Quarto. Quinto Quarto, so the fifth fourth. [S2] The fifth quarter. [S1] The offal makes up more than a quarter of the carcass in terms of weight, with the snout, the tribe...
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[S1] During that period, Viterbo was even called the City of Popes. It changed the way popes are elected right up to the present day. [S2] So, professor, [S1] Magnifica. [S2] In questo ambiente.
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[S1] The 19 cardinals were inside here and they have to elect the pope. So it took long time, long time, so they shut the door first. Okay? They can take a decision. Two years and a half goes by. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] The people of the city goes nuts about it.
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[S1] And Louis got everything. From that side there, I'll read it for you. You don't need to be an art historian to do this. Look, that's the working people, old Italy. That's the Malarian swamp that they have been completely clearing. All flat and all arable, with little houses, dots around so that everybody owns them...
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[S1] Rome. If you squint, you can see Saint Peter's, which reminds me that, in a sense, this has been a little bit of a perverse journey. As they say, "All roads lead to Rome." [S2] Yeah. [S1] We have deliberately- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] ... taken the opposite view and said we're all-
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[S1] ... roads must lead away from Rome, because we wanted to explore Lazio, the area that lives, as it were, and has always lived in the shadow of Rome. I suppose if I'm trying to think of the one thing that holds all of the, the art that we've seen together, perhaps it is the fact that it was all created away from Ro...
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[S1] ... the porchetta. [S2] It just comes out of the oven, he slices it, put it in between two pieces of bread, and there you've got the rosemary and the pork and the badabing. [S1] These are the thing that make steel representative for the region. [S2] And the art that we've been looking at, and the gardens and so on...
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[S1] ... is worth actually deliberately avoiding Rome. [S2] What was your favorite piece of art, if I had to put you on the spot? [S1] I was really touched on the, you know, when we went on the catacomb and... [S2] The Etruscan? [S1] Yeah. There was a moment that I, you know, that was really beautiful. There was, it fe...
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[S1] ... Maria Carolina, Marie Antoinette's sister, who married Ferdinand VII, the guy who used to eat spaghetti with his hands, that she was the one who said, "Oh, I don't like this food here." And she sent all of the court chefs off to Paris, and they arrived in all their airs and graces. [S2] Le monsieur. [S1] And t...
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[S1] He's carefully included every period of human history. So you've got ancient Roman history, Simon and Pero, father and daughter. He was confined to jail. He was starving to death, and she saved his life by feeding him from her own breasts. She wasn't allowed to take him food. She is pure. [S2] He is pure Napoli. [...
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[S1] You've got modern day, the sacristan holding up the torch. You've got modern life again in Saint Martin, the rich young man, like the rich young man who founded this place, giving away his wealth in the form of his cloak. [S2] Vestire gli nudi. [S1] Vestire gli nudi. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Clothing the naked. Then you've...
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