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# T3 β€” post-v5 follow-ups (deep-think + work plan)
The first-pass v5 work (oracle eval, multi-turn RFT, reasoning expansion,
sanitiser) is shipped. This doc captures the deeper questions the T3
rethink raises, what's already been done about them, and what's
deliberately deferred.
## 1. RFT timing β€” when, relative to T1/T2 + joint training?
**TL;DR**: Current order (per-task SFT β†’ T3 RFT β†’ joint multitask) is
the right *minimum*. A second RFT pass after the joint adapter is a
worthwhile **ablation** but adds a serial dependency.
### The current order
```
Stage 1 T1 fusion-SFT (heuristic gold)
Stage 2 T2 fusion-SFT
Stage 3 T3 fusion-SFT (heuristic synthetic-edit gold)
Stage 3b T3 reasoning-only SFT (paper ablation)
Stage 3c RFT β€” generate K candidates from Stage-3 adapter,
oracle-filter, retrain on filtered set
Stage 4 Joint multitask fusion-SFT (T1+T2+T3, 35k each, balanced)
```
### Why RFT can't move earlier
RFT needs a candidate generator that's already on-task β€” i.e., capable
of producing T3-shaped enhancer edits. The base Qwen3.5-2B can't do
that without prior T3 SFT (it doesn't know the
`<enhancer_dna_start>` schema, the cell-type grammar, or the edit
budget convention). So RFT must come **after at least one T3 SFT pass**.
### Why current order beats "RFT after joint"
The Stage-3 adapter is trained on 35k T3-only rows. The Stage-4 joint
adapter sees only 35k T3 rows out of a 105k mix (33% T3 share). For
candidate-generation specifically:
* **Stage-3 adapter**: more T3-faithful, fewer cross-task style
artefacts. Higher per-row keep-rate when scoring against the T3
oracle.
* **Stage-4 adapter**: better generalist, slightly weaker T3 grammar.
Empirical question β€” the **ablation** to run:
> RFT-from-Stage3 (current default) vs RFT-from-Stage4 (joint adapter)
> β€” does the joint adapter's regularisation produce candidates with
> higher mean objective margins, or do the format artefacts dominate?
This is a one-flag change: `--adapter-state-dict
runs/exp_joint_multitask_*/final/pytorch_model.bin` instead of the
T3-only path. Costs one RFT pass + one re-train. Worth a Table 3 row.
### Why a second RFT pass after joint isn't free
Re-RFT-ing the joint adapter would chain:
```
Stage 4 β†’ Stage 4-RFT β†’ retrain joint β†’ ...
```
Each step is multi-hour on H100. Diminishing returns are likely (the
oracle is the same, the candidate distribution doesn't gain new
biology after the second pass). Defer to extended-paper revision.
## 2. T3-specific oracle?
**TL;DR**: We use the DeepSTARR-7cell oracle for T3 (and T1). A T3-
specific oracle is a paper-extension worth doing if reviewers push;
the minimum-publishable suite ships with the shared oracle.
### What a T3-specific oracle would predict
Two candidates:
* **"Edit-quality" oracle** β€” input: `(reference, edited, edit_distance,
cell_type, edit_type)`. Output: `(satisfies_objective, margin)`.
Trained on RFT-filtered (positive) + RFT-rejected (negative)
candidates. Self-bootstrap risk: the oracle becomes circular if it
only learns what the previous oracle's filter did.
* **"Pairing" oracle (transferred from T2)** β€” input:
`(promoter, edited_enhancer, cell_type)`. Output: `pairing_score`.
Trained on observed pairs (T2 dataset). For T3 we'd score `(promoter,
edited)` and reward the model when this score increases over
`(promoter, reference)`. This is biology-grounded and non-circular.
### Why we ship with DeepSTARR-7cell
The DeepSTARR-7cell oracle gives per-cell-type activity scores. For T3:
* `activity_boost` reduces to "did the activity in the source cell
go up?" β€” `pred_activity_src > ref_activity_src`. Direct read from
oracle.
* `cell_type_transfer` reduces to "did the activity shift toward target?"
β€” `(pred_tgt - pred_src) - (ref_tgt - ref_src) > 0`. Direct read.
* `promoter_retarget` reduces to "is the new motif present?" β€” IUPAC
scan, no oracle needed.
So **all three T3 objectives are computable from the existing oracle**
without a T3-specific one. The DeepSTARR-7cell oracle is weak
(`val_pearson_mean=0.136`) in absolute terms, but the metrics use
**deltas and shifts** β€” relative ranking, where weak oracles still
carry meaningful signal.
If the paper review pushes back on oracle weakness, the "T2-pairing-as-
T3-oracle" path is the right extension β€” concrete and publishable.
## 3. Loop-SFT β€” does it need T3-aware changes?
**TL;DR**: No code change. The data source for T3 trajectories should
swap to the post-RFT JSONL, but Loop-SFT itself is task-agnostic.
### What Loop-SFT does
`scripts/train_loop_sft.py` consumes JSONL records of the shape:
```
{"id": ..., "task_type": ...,
"messages": [system, user],
"trajectory": {"steps": [{kind, state, text, tool_name, tool_args, tool_result}, ...]}}
```
The collator renders the trajectory into a single assistant turn the
LLM is trained to emit. Task-type doesn't change anything β€” the
collator looks at trajectory steps, not task semantics.
### What changes for T3
The **trajectory dataset** for T3 is currently expanded from the
heuristic-gold T3 JSONL via `scripts/expand_loop_trajectories.py`. The
trajectory's final `kind="final"` step contains the gold enhancer
sequence β€” currently the heuristic synthetic-edit, **not** the
oracle-validated RFT candidate.
To align with v5:
```bash
# old:
python scripts/expand_loop_trajectories.py \
--source data/prod_samples/train.enhancer_editing.strat7c.n35k.jsonl \
--out data/trajectories/train.enhancer_editing.jsonl
# new (post-RFT-aware):
python scripts/expand_loop_trajectories.py \
--source runs/exp_t3_fusion_sft_${STAMP}/rft_filtered_train.jsonl \
--out data/trajectories/train.enhancer_editing.rft.jsonl
```
Same script, different `--source`. The expander reads the assistant's
gold answer from `messages[-1]["content"]`, which RFT replaced with
the candidate. So the trajectory's `final` step inherits the
candidate. No code change.
For the paper, we report Loop-SFT trained on:
* Heuristic-gold trajectories (matches the current pipeline default)
* **Post-RFT trajectories** (new; aligned with v5 evaluation)
These give two T3 Loop-SFT rows in Table 1 β€” a clean ablation.
## 4. SV-GSPO β€” does it need T3-aware changes?
**TL;DR**: **YES, and it's now done.** The T3 outcome-reward function
in `regureasoner/rl/reward_shaper.py` was trained on the **wrong**
objective (sequence-distance window) before this commit. Fixed.
### What was wrong
The previous `outcome_enhancer_editing(final, gold, min_edit=1,
max_edit=60)` returned 1.0 for any edit distance in `[1, 60]` and 0
for identity. That tells the agent "make a moderately-sized edit" β€”
which is exactly the wrong signal under the v5 framework where the
metric of record is *objective satisfaction*, not edit-distance window.
### What's changed
`outcome_enhancer_editing(final, gold)` now returns the average of three
binary checks aligned with `scripts/eval_t3_oracle.py`:
* `within_budget` β€” Hamming ≀ `gold["edit_budget"]` (or 5%-of-len(ref)
fallback when no budget).
* `length_preserved` β€” `len(pred) == len(ref)`.
* `target_motif_present` β€” IUPAC regex (fwd + revcomp) for
`gold["target_motif"]`.
Score ∈ {0, 1/3, 2/3, 1}. SV-GSPO group-normalisation handles the
discreteness; rollouts are expected to land between 0 and 1 with most
mass at 2/3 (budget + length usually pass; motif is the bottleneck).
### What's NOT done (deliberate)
The activity-based objectives (`activity_delta_src`,
`activity_relative_shift`) require an oracle forward-pass per rollout
β€” too slow for the hot RL loop. The evaluator-backed scorer
infrastructure in `reward_shaper.py` (the `OUTCOME_SCORERS_EVAL`
hook) is the right place to wire that in for **offline rescoring**
of completed rollouts; we'd then either include it as a `--reward-mode
oracle` flag or report both as a sanity check.
If reviewers push for "RL with the actual headline metric" we can:
1. Add an `OutcomeFnOracle` that takes the oracle as a closure and
computes `activity_delta_src` per rollout.
2. Cache oracle outputs by `(seq, cell_type)` hash to amortise repeat
eval across rollouts.
Estimated cost: ~50 LoC + a slow-but-correct ablation row.
## 5. External baselines β€” how do we compare against prior work?
**TL;DR**: Currently weak. Adding two strong external baselines (TACO
+ HyenaDNA / NT-v2) would harden the paper.
### What we have (internal)
* Zero-shot Qwen3.5-2B (raw + tool-enriched prompts)
* Fusion-SFT (NTv3-650M + LLM + cell context, our architecture)
* Loop-SFT (trajectory-augmented Fusion-SFT)
* SV-GSPO (RL on top of Loop-SFT)
* NTv3-MDLM T1, NTv3-direct T2 (no-LLM baselines, our architecture
but no language model)
### What's missing (external SOTA)
| Model | Task fit | Comparable for | Effort to add | Priority |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| **TACO** (Lin et al. NeurIPS 2024) | T3 native | T3 (paper-precedent) | Medium β€” repo public; needs DeepSTARR oracle re-fit | **HIGH** |
| **HyenaDNA** (Nguyen et al. NeurIPS 2023) | T1 / T2 | T1 generation, T2 binary classification | Low β€” already wired as encoder; needs head training only | **HIGH** |
| **DNABERT-2 / NT-v2** | T1 / T2 / T3 | All three (small encoder baseline) | Low β€” `regureasoner_loop` has NT-v2 wired | MEDIUM |
| **CtrlDNA** | T1 conditional generation | T1 only | Medium β€” repo public, training data alignment needed | MEDIUM |
| **Evo / Evo2** | Generation, fluency | T1 (but they're 7B+, hard to run on H100) | High β€” vortex install on lab cluster | LOW |
| **Caduceus** | DNA encoder | Same as NT-v2; redundant | Low | LOW |
| **DeepSTARR** (predictor) | Activity prediction | Used as our oracle, NOT a baseline for our tasks | N/A | N/A |
**Recommended for the minimum-publishable submission**: add TACO (T3
paper precedent) + HyenaDNA (T2 fluency baseline). DNABERT-2 is
nice-to-have. The rest go into the extended-paper version.
The exact recipe:
* TACO: clone their repo, drop in our DeepSTARR-7cell oracle, run
their trainer on our T3 train split. Eval with our
`eval_t3_oracle.py`. Apples-to-apples.
* HyenaDNA: their HF model card already has T2-style heads. Wire as
a `--encoder hyenadna` option in `run_genomefm_benchmark.py` and
retrain the pair head.
Both ~1 day of work each.
## 6. Pipeline state β€” does any in-flight job need modification?
**No.** Audit:
* **Bench grid (in flight)** β€” vLLM zero-shot inference. T3 zs eval
uses the heuristic gold's metadata only (target_motif, edit_budget)
β€” no leakage from the v5 framework changes. Safe to let finish.
* **post_bench_pipeline.sh** β€” already updated with multi-turn RFT
(commit `25504fd`) and Stage 3d post-RFT reasoning (commit `3e65c96`).
Will pick up the changes when it auto-fires.
* **No fusion-SFT job is currently running.** Stages 1–4 fire only
after the bench grid finishes.
The `outcome_enhancer_editing` reward fix lands in `regureasoner/rl/
reward_shaper.py` β€” used only by SV-GSPO (Stage C, not yet running on
H100). Lab-side SV-GSPO runs would need to pull this commit.
## 7. Concrete addition to the experiment suite
These lines belong in [`docs/minimal_publishable_suite.md`](minimal_publishable_suite.md)
once the H100 clears its current backlog:
```bash
# Phase B-T3-RFT-from-joint (new ablation; 6h)
STAGE_4_FINAL=runs/exp_joint_multitask_${STAMP}/final/pytorch_model.bin
pixi run python scripts/rft_t3.py \
--adapter-state-dict $STAGE_4_FINAL \
--train-jsonl data/prod_samples/train.enhancer_editing.strat7c.n35k.jsonl \
--oracle-path runs/exp_oracle_ds_7cell_min/oracle.pt \
--output-jsonl runs/exp_t3_rft_from_joint_${STAMP}/rft_filtered_train.jsonl \
--candidates 4 --rounds 4 --temp-ramp 0.15
# Phase B-T3-Loop-SFT-on-RFT (new ablation; 4h)
pixi run python scripts/expand_loop_trajectories.py \
--source runs/exp_t3_fusion_sft_${STAMP}/rft_filtered_train.jsonl \
--out data/trajectories/train.enhancer_editing.rft.jsonl
TASK=enhancer_editing \
TRAIN_JSONL=data/trajectories/train.enhancer_editing.rft.jsonl \
... \
bash slurm/run_train_loop_sft.sh
```
## TL;DR for the paper story
* **T3 dataset regen**: train labels, yes via RFT (in the pipeline).
Test labels, no β€” eval ignores the heuristic gold.
* **T3 benchmark code**: clean. `eval_t3_oracle.py` is the new headline
scorer; old `genqual.json` argmax_acc is informative-only.
* **T3 reward shaper**: fixed in this commit. SV-GSPO will now
optimise the right objective.
* **Loop-SFT**: no code change; just point at the post-RFT JSONL.
* **External baselines**: TACO + HyenaDNA are the two we should add
before submission. Both ~1 day each.