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Jul 13

Muon: Training and Trade-offs with Latent Attention and MoE

We present a comprehensive theoretical and empirical study of the Muon optimizer for training transformers only with a small to medium decoder (30M - 200M parameters), with an emphasis on its mathematical foundations, convergence properties and synergistic interactions with modern architectural optimizations. Building on recent work showing Muon's scalability, we provide rigorous theoretical analysis including: (i)showing the convergence rate under standard assumptions, (ii) spectral regularization properties that prevent gradient explosion, (iii) connection to natural gradient descent on the Stiefel manifold, and (iv) equivalence to steepest gradient descent under the spectral norm. Crucially, we demonstrate that Muon expands the Pareto frontier in the compute-time trade-off by maintaining superior data efficiency at large batch sizes, a key finding of~essentialai2025muon that we validate across our model scales. Empirically, Muon reaches the target loss with 48-52\% of the training calculated by AdamW while maintaining or improving the final perplexity, consistent with larger-scale results. When combined with Multi-Head Latent Attention (MLA) and Mixture-of-Experts (MoE), we observe multiplicative efficiency gains: MLA+MoE+Muon achieves 68\% memory reduction and 3.2times inference speedup, while improving perplexity by 8-12\%. We provide detailed procedures on 15 architectural and optimizer components, stability analyzes across 100+ training runs, and practical implementation guidelines including Newton-Schulz coefficients (3.4445, -4.7750, 2.0315) optimized by~su2024muonblog. Our theoretical analysis and comprehensive experiments establish Muon as a principled, robust alternative to AdamW that particularly excels when combined with modern efficiency techniques and large-batch training regimes.

  • 4 authors
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Sep 29, 2025

Architecture-Aware LLM Inference Optimization on AMD Instinct GPUs: A Comprehensive Benchmark and Deployment Study

We present a cross-architecture evaluation of production LLM inference on AMD Instinct MI325X GPUs, benchmarking four models spanning 235B to 1 trillion parameters across three architectural families (MoE+MLA, Dense+GQA, MoE+GQA) on an 8-GPU cluster with 2TB aggregate HBM3e using vLLM v0.14.1. Our results demonstrate that architecture-aware optimization is essential: MLA models require block size 1 and cannot use KV cache offloading, while GQA models benefit from both. The AMD AITER runtime is required for competitive MLA inference throughput and must be selectively disabled for architectures with incompatible attention head configurations. A controlled AITER ablation on Llama-3.1-405B (n=5 per condition) reveals a modest 3-5% throughput benefit at high concurrency but 2-16x higher measurement variability, confirming that AITER's large speedups target MoE/MLA kernels specifically. Under text-only workloads, Llama-405B and DeepSeek V3.2 achieve comparable peak throughput (15,944 and 15,343 tok/s) despite an order-of-magnitude difference in active parameters. Under vision workloads, Qwen3-VL-235B reaches 47,873 tok/s, 6.5x higher than Kimi-K2.5 (7,327 tok/s). Active parameter count per token is associated with inference throughput, though confounded by differences in quantization, AITER acceleration, and tensor parallelism. All four models exhibit a common throughput saturation point consistent with a memory-bandwidth bottleneck (~500 concurrent for short sequences, ~100-200 for longer sequences). All models maintain 100% HTTP-level success rates through 1,000 concurrent users, processing 18.9 million tokens across 17,406 requests without failures.

  • 1 authors
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Feb 27

Agent Memory Below the Prompt: Persistent Q4 KV Cache for Multi-Agent LLM Inference on Edge Devices

Multi-agent LLM systems on edge devices face a memory management problem: device RAM is too small to hold every agent's KV cache simultaneously. On Apple M4 Pro with 10.2 GB of cache budget, only 3 agents fit at 8K context in FP16. A 10-agent workflow must constantly evict and reload caches. Without persistence, every eviction forces a full re-prefill through the model -- 15.7 seconds per agent at 4K context. We address this by persisting each agent's KV cache to disk in 4-bit quantized format and reloading it directly into the attention layer, eliminating redundant O(n) prefill computation via direct cache restoration. The system comprises three components: a block pool providing per-agent isolated Q4 KV caches in safetensors format, a BatchQuantizedKVCache for concurrent inference over multiple agents' quantized caches, and cross-phase context injection that accumulates attention state across conversation phases without re-computation. Evaluated on three architectures (Gemma 3 12B, dense GQA, 48 layers; DeepSeek-Coder-V2-Lite 16B, MoE MLA, 27 layers; Llama 3.1 8B, dense GQA, 32 layers), cache restoration reduces time-to-first-token by up to 136x (Gemma: 22--136x at 4K--32K; DeepSeek: 11--76x at 4K--32K; Llama: 24--111x at 4K--16K; 3--10x at 1K). Q4 quantization fits 4x more agent contexts into fixed device memory than FP16. Perplexity measured with actual Q4 KV caches shows -0.7% for Gemma, +2.8% for Llama, and +3.0% for DeepSeek. Open-source at https://github.com/yshk-mxim/agent-memory

  • 1 authors
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Feb 17

Insights into DeepSeek-V3: Scaling Challenges and Reflections on Hardware for AI Architectures

The rapid scaling of large language models (LLMs) has unveiled critical limitations in current hardware architectures, including constraints in memory capacity, computational efficiency, and interconnection bandwidth. DeepSeek-V3, trained on 2,048 NVIDIA H800 GPUs, demonstrates how hardware-aware model co-design can effectively address these challenges, enabling cost-efficient training and inference at scale. This paper presents an in-depth analysis of the DeepSeek-V3/R1 model architecture and its AI infrastructure, highlighting key innovations such as Multi-head Latent Attention (MLA) for enhanced memory efficiency, Mixture of Experts (MoE) architectures for optimized computation-communication trade-offs, FP8 mixed-precision training to unlock the full potential of hardware capabilities, and a Multi-Plane Network Topology to minimize cluster-level network overhead. Building on the hardware bottlenecks encountered during DeepSeek-V3's development, we engage in a broader discussion with academic and industry peers on potential future hardware directions, including precise low-precision computation units, scale-up and scale-out convergence, and innovations in low-latency communication fabrics. These insights underscore the critical role of hardware and model co-design in meeting the escalating demands of AI workloads, offering a practical blueprint for innovation in next-generation AI systems.

deepseek-ai DeepSeek
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May 14, 2025 5

MinT: Managed Infrastructure for Training and Serving Millions of LLMs

We present MindLab Toolkit (MinT), a managed infrastructure system for Low-Rank Adaptation (LoRA) post-training and online serving. MinT targets a setting where many trained policies are produced over a small number of expensive base-model deployments. Instead of materializing each policy as a merged full checkpoint, MinT keeps the base model resident and moves exported LoRA adapter revisions through rollout, update, export, evaluation, serving, and rollback, hiding distributed training, serving, scheduling, and data movement behind a service interface. MinT scales this path along three axes. Scale Up extends LoRA RL to frontier-scale dense and MoE architectures, including MLA and DSA attention paths, with training and serving validated beyond 1T total parameters. Scale Down moves only the exported LoRA adapter, which can be under 1% of base-model size in rank-1 settings; adapter-only handoff reduces the measured step by 18.3x on a 4B dense model and 2.85x on a 30B MoE, while concurrent multi-policy GRPO shortens wall time by 1.77x and 1.45x without raising peak memory. Scale Out separates durable policy addressability from CPU/GPU working sets: a tensor-parallel deployment supports 10^6-scale addressable catalogs (measured single-engine sweeps through 100K) and thousand-adapter active waves at cluster scale, with cold loading treated as scheduled service work and packed MoE LoRA tensors improving live engine loading by 8.5-8.7x. MinT thus manages million-scale LoRA policy catalogs while training and serving selected adapter revisions over shared 1T-class base models.

mindlab-research Mind Lab
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May 12 4

Compressed Convolutional Attention: Efficient Attention in a Compressed Latent Space

Multi-headed Attention's (MHA) quadratic compute and linearly growing KV-cache make long-context transformers expensive to train and serve. Prior works such as Grouped Query Attention (GQA) and Multi-Latent Attention (MLA) shrink the cache, speeding decode, but leave compute, which determines prefill and training speed, largely unchanged. We introduce Compressed Convolutional Attention (CCA), a novel attention method which down-projects queries, keys, and values and performs the entire attention operation inside the shared latent space. This simple design dramatically cuts parameters, KV-cache, and FLOPs all at once by the desired compression factor. Because CCA is orthogonal to head-sharing, we combine the two to form Compressed Convolutional Grouped Query Attention (CCGQA), which further tightens the compute-bandwidth Pareto frontier so that users can tune compression toward either FLOP or memory limits without sacrificing quality. Experiments show that CCGQA consistently outperforms both GQA and MLA at equal KV-cache compression on dense and MoE models. Additionally, we show that CCGQA outperforms all other attention methods on MoE models with half the KV-cache of GQA and MLA, achieving an 8x KV-cache compression with no drop in performance compared to standard MHA. CCA and CCGQA also dramatically reduce the FLOP cost of attention which leads to substantially faster training and prefill than existing methods. On H100 GPUs, our fused CCA/CCGQA kernel reduces prefill latency by about 1.7x at a sequence length of 16k relative to MHA, and accelerates backward by about 1.3x.

  • 5 authors
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Oct 6, 2025

K-Search: LLM Kernel Generation via Co-Evolving Intrinsic World Model

Optimizing GPU kernels is critical for efficient modern machine learning systems yet remains challenging due to the complex interplay of design factors and rapid hardware evolution. Existing automated approaches typically treat Large Language Models (LLMs) merely as stochastic code generators within heuristic-guided evolutionary loops. These methods often struggle with complex kernels requiring coordinated, multi-step structural transformations, as they lack explicit planning capabilities and frequently discard promising strategies due to inefficient or incorrect intermediate implementations. To address this, we propose Search via Co-Evolving World Model and build K-Search based on this method. By replacing static search heuristics with a co-evolving world model, our framework leverages LLMs' prior domain knowledge to guide the search, actively exploring the optimization space. This approach explicitly decouples high-level algorithmic planning from low-level program instantiation, enabling the system to navigate non-monotonic optimization paths while remaining resilient to temporary implementation defects. We evaluate K-Search on diverse, complex kernels from FlashInfer, including GQA, MLA, and MoE kernels. Our results show that K-Search significantly outperforms state-of-the-art evolutionary search methods, achieving an average 2.10x improvement and up to a 14.3x gain on complex MoE kernels. On the GPUMode TriMul task, K-Search achieves state-of-the-art performance on H100, reaching 1030us and surpassing both prior evolution and human-designed solutions.

  • 4 authors
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Feb 22 1

EfficientLLM: Efficiency in Large Language Models

Large Language Models (LLMs) have driven significant progress, yet their growing parameter counts and context windows incur prohibitive compute, energy, and monetary costs. We introduce EfficientLLM, a novel benchmark and the first comprehensive empirical study evaluating efficiency techniques for LLMs at scale. Conducted on a production-class cluster (48xGH200, 8xH200 GPUs), our study systematically explores three key axes: (1) architecture pretraining (efficient attention variants: MQA, GQA, MLA, NSA; sparse Mixture-of-Experts (MoE)), (2) fine-tuning (parameter-efficient methods: LoRA, RSLoRA, DoRA), and (3) inference (quantization methods: int4, float16). We define six fine-grained metrics (Memory Utilization, Compute Utilization, Latency, Throughput, Energy Consumption, Compression Rate) to capture hardware saturation, latency-throughput balance, and carbon cost. Evaluating over 100 model-technique pairs (0.5B-72B parameters), we derive three core insights: (i) Efficiency involves quantifiable trade-offs: no single method is universally optimal; e.g., MoE reduces FLOPs and improves accuracy but increases VRAM by 40%, while int4 quantization cuts memory/energy by up to 3.9x at a 3-5% accuracy drop. (ii) Optima are task- and scale-dependent: MQA offers optimal memory-latency trade-offs for constrained devices, MLA achieves lowest perplexity for quality-critical tasks, and RSLoRA surpasses LoRA efficiency only beyond 14B parameters. (iii) Techniques generalize across modalities: we extend evaluations to Large Vision Models (Stable Diffusion 3.5, Wan 2.1) and Vision-Language Models (Qwen2.5-VL), confirming effective transferability. By open-sourcing datasets, evaluation pipelines, and leaderboards, EfficientLLM provides essential guidance for researchers and engineers navigating the efficiency-performance landscape of next-generation foundation models.

  • 16 authors
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May 19, 2025 1