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You can do it because the world is connected and when people say, oh this corporation.
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Was involved in some way with this incident in this war taking place.
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You say, well yes, you know, there are big giant corporations that have...
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Somebody sent me a link to like a... a video about 9-11 and...
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I clicked on it and it was something like 8 hours long.
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And, and I just thought, well, okay. You know, again, if you want to, you can connect anything to anything, uhm, if you want to. That's the way the, that's the way the global world is, the global economies. That's the way things are. Did you watch the whole video? I, I watched until I saw it said eight hours.
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Questions about blood meridian? I think that those...
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That book, uh, which is obviously a very powerful book. It's, uh,
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I think we gotta save that for the next podcast. I know we got, uhm.
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Quite a few questions about Chris Kyle and...
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You know, people want to know if I knew Chris, if I worked with Chris.
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And the answer is yes. Chris Kyle was the lead sniper and point man in Charlie platoon, which was Leif Babins. He was the, the officer in charge of that platoon and that was in task unit bruiser, which I was the commander of. So we absolutely
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You know, knew Chris and, um, worked alongside Chris. Uh, Leif was on every mission for all practical purposes that Chris was on. And,
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Uhm, you know, I, Leif and I spoke at Chris's memorial service and
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Cowboy Stadium, I mean, it's, so yes, we, we know Chris very well, and at some point we'll, uh, we'll,
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I'll get Leif on here and we'll, we'll, we'll talk about Chris some and tell some, some stories about Chris that would, uh,
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You know, provide a perspective that may not have been seen in the portrayals that have been given so far.
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So I think we, we need to hold off on that one and maybe just do one more question here.
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Yes, I do. I do. Mostly musicians. I shouldn't say mostly musicians.
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Surfers. I got some, I got quite a few friends that surf. I surf in, out here in California. And, uh, and I got some friends that play music and, you know, we rock and roll.
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I was in bands my whole life when I was growing up, when I was a kid.
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What's interesting is too is uhm, and these are some other, like I know some guys that are
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Uhm, surfers and musicians and artists and
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I want to bring some of those guys and talk to them because they have different outlooks on things and how to get good and what kind of discipline it takes and what drives them. I mean, you know, like you said, surfing is challenging. Surfing is cold, it's wet, it's dark, it's, it's sketchy sometimes and guys,
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That do that their whole life until they're 70 or 80 years old. That's pretty awesome.
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And really, to me, I mean, to kinda close this out as a last question of...
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What do you tell people or what do I think?
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Is most, is a helpful kind of lessons learned to close on.
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And I think one conversation I had with one of my, one of my guys, uhm, who was just a complete, awesome warrior.
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Name JP. JP, how you doing brother out there? Uhm.
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When we were going through training to get ready for Iraq, and...
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When you're, when you're going through SEAL training, you get, you learn, you learn all this information and they teach you all these things. And you.
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Layer them on top of your brain and there's layers and layers and layers of these tactics and techniques and procedures. And the layers can get so thick that you lose contact with the ground. And so we were out in training and I was looking at JP who is a stud.
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And it was one of those situations where we're out in the desert, but there's rocks and there's little shrubs and all that. And he was standing up in the wide open.
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Because he was staying in the formation of the patrol the way that he was taught and the way that he had been indoctrinated.
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He's one of those layers as you're here and you stand here and this is your field of fire and you watch this area. But what he'd forgotten was that
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You're standing in the middle of an open area. Don't stand there. Move to this little rock and then move to this little shrub and then move this little, so that way if a bad guy looks, he's not going to see you. And if he does see you, he starts shooting, you have a place to hide. And I said to him, I said, JP, my bro...
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And I said, well, where would you stand? He said, I'd go over there to that rock right there and I'd get behind that. And I said, so your 10 year old brain is doing better job moving from cover to cover than your 23 year old brain. And I said, listen, your instincts, you know what the right thing to do is you know wha...
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So uhm, thanks to everybody for joining. I know we had a bunch of people on, uh, on Periscope. That was pretty cool to watch.
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We'll see how this one goes and we'll do some more in the near future.
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Let's do it. Okay. Jocko. First question. From the vault.
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Oh. Yeah, one that you always intended to maybe revisit. Yes. And here we go revisiting it. Yes.
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Your body weight. So, cause like, in jujitsu, when you're doing jujitsu, that's mainly what it is. Sure, there are elements where you're, you're trying to control someone else's body weight, but it's mainly what you're doing with your body. So like, when you do, you know, you know, like those...
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Oh, the pegboard. Yes, yea, like that kind of stuff, bars, all the gymnastic stuff. And then as far as like being strong in these weird ways, because that's essentially what you're going to be doing in Jiu Jitsu, you know?
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Yes, for sure. So, so you combine that with what, like, when you shrimp out someone, right? Yep. Sure, someone's gonna be trying to hold you, but when you shrimp, you're pushing your own body weight. That's your own body weight. Sure, you add his own, that's, you're with the guy, that's just kinda part of the game, bu...
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If you can control your own body in these stronger ways, that's gonna give like such a big benefit. So, and then to your Olympic lifting, to me that's, in my opinion, that's a
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Probably one of the best. Olympic. And this is why. Not only do you get that little explosive movements in there, but when you put Olympic lifting to make up your Metcon,
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When you do like a clean, like a clean press, right? You, your muscle work is just for a second, and then for a second it's almost kind of relaxed.
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And then boom again, and then it's kinda relaxed and then you hold and boom and it's just repetitive.
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That's kinda what jiu jitsu can be, depending on your game, of course. Yeaah, yeaah. So, and if you're in shape in that way, where you can go hard, rest for just a little bit and then go hard again. If that's kinda, if you can do that.
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If you're in that kind of shape, that's gonna help. So when you do, when you do a metcon or circuit training, something like that, where if you can do the exercise,
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Do that kind of thing, and do it in like rounds. If you're into like a 10 minute round in jujitsu and that's really your thing, then do your circuit train 10.
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And just to kinda put it in context, I mean, you say Moe's a good wrestler, Moe also happens to be...
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The Bellator 205 champ. Or was he the champ? He wasn't.
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Yeah, very surprising with him in regards to that. Like, you look at him, if you look at him, you're like, okay, I'm about to roll with this guy, and then you roll with him, you're gonna be like, okay, I'm not surprised that this guy's like, this guy's strong, his balance is just like,
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Like magical balance kind of thing. Uhm, so when you look at him, you know, on the, on the surface, but if you know that he's such a accomplished wrestler, you would think given his experience, you'd think, okay, his, his jujitsu or even his like,
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When he's training his jiu-jitsu, you know, you wouldn't expect it to be that fluid. Like when I rolled with him, I was like,
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I thought when you were like, yeah, Taylor's, he's got this new guy, you know, you, you, you haven't rolled with him what he should roll with him because you know, he, he gives good training. He's really good. So what I'm thinking is good, but I'm thinking this is going to be real wrestling intensive training scenario...
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Then he pulled guard on you. No, he didn't pull guard, but his whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the guard. He doesn't care. Yeah. He was like, I'm here to train. I'm here to, you know, get good or whatever, man. And he's, and that kind of attitude gets you so good. And he's, yeah, man, it wasn't, he wasn't try...
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Yeah, and the, you get mutants like, and I'd say that's kind of a good way of putting it, mutant like Taylor, where he has a wrestling background, so he's no stranger to like functioning while he's tired, you know, so I'd say if you're big, explosive, strong, or whatever, typically,
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Your endurance is not that good, typically. So, if you get all those factors and they're flexible and stuff, and they have endurance, there's your bad day right there. If this guy has that. Other than that, if you take one or two different attributes, you can always find, it's like rock, paper, scissors, you can alway...
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Yeah, you can kinda function in those little regards now.
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Totally true. And, and I know you, you, you, back to the jujitsu real quick, I know you were saying all these things, kinda with the, with the given.
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Really the main thing to train is how much you know jujitsu. That's really kind of the main thing. That is the main thing. Yeah, the number one thing. So that's all it's like I said, a given because the question is supplemental stuff for sure. Um, so yeah, so let's say these, all these little comparisons, like, you kn...
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Aside from knowing jujitsu, that's the main strength or whatever. If everyone's even, to me the taller guy has the advantage.
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You can pretty, I mean, I'm not saying he's seven feet tall. I'm saying like the whole six-five. Yeah, like six-five.
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Yeaah, so Stiltz is a good example where, in this case, where he's a little bit different, because Stiltz has the lanky body style, but he, he went pretty, he's going pretty hard in that direction. Where he's actually practicing moves that only he can do kind of thing.
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We'll take Hodger for example, he doesn't really do any kind of crazy, I am tall, so I can only do this, you know, he doesn't do that, he does like, you know, but his like, just mount for example, or his armbar setup from the bottom, from the bottom stuff, uhm, is,
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Sure, 2-230, whatever, we'll just say that's a stocky buff guy.
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Yeah, tall guys don't have that problem. They can do all the moves. They can do chokes, arm bars, whatever, and they can do it pretty easy, you know? So, like I said, that's why I think, and I, and of course, the, the flexible, tall, lanky guys, they do have that, but I think we all do. I think, let's have like, our b...
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Still says two things though, he has tall and lanky and he has flexible. Okay, so yeaah, so that's like he has double the thing, but I think the tall has the most in their bucket, I think.
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Me, I would say the whole thing just in completely different ways. Like the first part is like dang, you get tired way too quick and guys who, you know, are way smaller than you, way, you know, whatever than you are beating you up, you know, that kind of thing.
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Yeah, and they're like teaching you, hey, this is what you did wrong and you're sitting there all, I mean, in my case, I was like 225 when I started and I'm like sitting there and this little guy, uhm, I don't know if you remember George, but he, uhm, he was a little purple belt that I was rolling with a lot. He taugh...
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Uhm, he's teaching me stuff, I'm still sitting there with my big muscles, and he's like teaching me stuff, so that can be hard, I guess, uhm, and getting tired, but, I think. And then, yeaah, you go up, blue belt.
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Yeah, I have so much to learn. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And, and yeah, that, and you know how, you know when you learn something from the point of not knowing anything and then you start to learn? You learn the most quantity-wise at the bottom when you start. For sure. You know? So, uhm, and that's a philosophical way of ...
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Right, but as far as jiu-jitsu, it's totally true, and that's what I mean by, like, that's a way of putting it, maybe philosophically, maybe, but it's because when you're, I mean, quantity-wise, meaning learning the moves in jiu-jitsu, you know, at like, Black Belt?
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Unless there's these weird special moves that are coming out or whatever, you know all the moves. You know all this stuff. It's now, it's about other stuff. You gotta learn other stuff. Timing, uhm, you know, approaches and all this more like interstitial stuff. But from a blue belt, you still, like, there's moves you...
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So you're like, oh, I have no answer to this guard pass. I have no answer. I'm a blue belt. Literally no answer to this guard pass.
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So I didn't think blue belt was very frustrating at all. And I didn't spend much time with blue belt. And then when you hit purple belt, that's when the learning frustration hits. Because you're good enough and you kind of have this weird confidence that's developed.
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And then you- and you're- you're doing so well against all these guys and they just- you just hit that one level up where you can't do nothing against nobody. And you're just there for a long time.
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Cause it's almost like you gotta switch over to learning different types of things now.
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Yeah, and brown belt to me is more the same as purple belt, but just more like refined, you know? So it's like less of the frustration, but the frustration becomes like more concentrated.
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Well those are like micro- And you have a funny way of getting frustrated too. Well, whatever, then I seen the same thing with you. When? Oh, you want me to- okay, one time you were rolling with D. And-
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Nonetheless, that was like what we could call a micro frustration.
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Yeah, especially when you can reflect on it. And that's why I think you said, or when you said, um, uh, you forget about the bad things, you forget about the bad things in a certain kind of discourse. If you regard that overall discourse as being a good thing, then you'll start to forget the bad thing and vice versa.
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Yeah, yeah, it has to be. And really what they are are just the challenges that are specific to certain stages. And these are just, these are real general things that probably apply to, you know, to everybody in one way or another on those stages.
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Micro frustrations. They're like micro tears in your muscle. You feel them, but they're all for like benefit for overall muscle growth. They're not injuries. Exactly.
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You've talked about how getting into adversarial relationships is pointless, but people always get into adversarial relationships with me.
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I've been told I'm scary before, but never understood why. My question is, how do I maneuver on this without acting like a little weakling? Bitch, for lack of a better term. To appear less threatening. Do I just accept that I rub people the wrong way?
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And I'm not saying scream and yell, I'm just saying you're getting mad at displaying that anger.
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Yup. Glad when you come back too. Yeah.
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Yeah, and a lot of times, like, so the adversarial relationship thing, a way to look at it is it kind of takes both you to kind of cultivate an adversarial relationship. Goes for any kind of relationship, I'd say.
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You keep being a dick to me, we'll say. And if I just keep being nice to you, even though you're being a dick to me, even though we have a job to do with it, yes, all that and we're maintaining the integrity of that, but I'm keep being nice to you. You keep being a dick to me, I keep being nice to you. After a while, ...
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As it shakes out, the one guy who's a dick stands out.
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So everyone's being cool, and when all is said and done, we're just dealing with one guy who's a dick. So if you, if, if you cultivate the adversarial relationship, it's like, okay, you have this competitive situation, now two people, you know, are dick.
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Yeah, and let's say you were a nice guy to begin with. Don't become a- a jerk now, you know?
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So, and I say that because a lot of times if you're like, eh, people are creating adversarial relationships with me.
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Check. So you don't need a hard shell if you have a hard core. But you need a hard shell if you have a soft core.
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Would love to hear tips for moving to wake up earlier.
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Alarms and not disturbing your spouse, keeping alert throughout the day. You know, when you wake up early, these are, these are things. So tips for managing the implications around making that change to get up earlier while keeping the space or keeping the speed or keeping the peace at home and work and worky. Did you...
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