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So do you, did you or do you ever have to find a counter to that? Cause like if you were in the military and you and I were working together.
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Because in the military, you're not getting any players. I mean, you got some great guys, even in the SEAL teams, you got some great guys that are studs, you got some okay guys that are in the middle, you got some losers down at the bottom. Guess what? You need every single one of them to go on deployment with you. An...
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Well, you just need to be a leader of a very high performing team, not of a regular, regular team. Yeah.
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So, that was, so that's, that's going back to NIH and you, that was the first time you dealt with people.
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And so then how did that path then drift to you don't want to do any of this anymore?
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And then you walk, you walk away from medicine, you go into, so were you doing medicine specific consulting?
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Because, because the banks used to leverage themselves so much that they could, well, in, in,
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When the market crashed, they weren't ready for it, they couldn't handle it.
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See the Jocko answer to that question? How much money are we going to lose? Would have been all of it.
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Now I remember, I saw you tell a story one time, it's on, it's on YouTube somewhere, but you're talking about a patient you were working on, you kinda alluded to this earlier.
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You know, either pre-diabetic or diabetic and you're sitting there going,
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You gotta be kidding me, cause the day before you tried to save someone's life that was, you know, a young kid.
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And that was sort of, was that the first time that you started thinking about nutrition as a...
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You know, and earlier you talked about, hey, we do all this stuff at the end of life. It's all this prevention to prevent someone from actually dying. But if we would have invested some of that money up front, taught these people how to eat, we would have been better off. Is that sort of where it came from or?
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So you're eating what you're being told to eat, you're car bloating and you're still getting fat. Yep. Even though at this time you're swimming, we were just talking about it before the podcast, you're doing ultra long swims.
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And you're training for that, working hard, and you're quote unquote eating right, because you're not eating saturated fat. And yet, you're getting fat, you go into the doctor, you get blood tests, and they say, oh yea, by the way, you're pre-diabetic. And you just say to yourself, what is going on?
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Yeah, and that's where you're at now. And, and, and by the way, um, listen to Tim Tim's
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Podcast, what else should people listen to to get all that nutritional information? The rest of the story? I think it's Tim's.
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That one's like an hour long and you go pretty detailed in it.
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Okay, yeah, I've watched that one. Yeah, those are good. Those are good And again if you had to kind of
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Tell people that aren't gonna go listen to those podcasts, aren't gonna watch that, that video. What would you tell them? You know, what would you tell them to eat? Overall.
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Since we're a little over two hours right now. Come on.
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I said that you're probably the most responsible individual for this podcast and because you originally threw Kirk
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Uh, sent me up to do a podcast with Tim Ferriss, which sent me up to do a podcast with Joe Rogan, which was just all awesome. And both those guys told me I should do my own podcast. So anyone that's listening to this podcast,
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Yeaah, yeaah. No, it was awesome and that, that really did, I mean the way Tim,
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That turned into this podcast, which, you know, he, he definitely has promoted the podcast in a fantastic way along with Joe. So that's both been awesome. But again, started with Kirk connecting me with you and then you connecting me with Tim. So, uh, appreciate that. And, um, speaking of this podcast,
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And there's been people that have been submitting to you on Twitter, which excerpts are in high demand out there in the world.
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Yeaah. Yeaah. Well, I got one. Actually, I got quite a few of these.
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Oh, you know what you didn't mention? That you should have mentioned, cause apparently it's been pretty cool out there in the world. Lay it on me. Psychological warfare.
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Ooh, psychological warfare. You use it?
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So if you are coming up against moments of weakness, we have a little method to get you over those humps.
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Yeah, sugar coated lies. She was, she was pretty impressed, but what impressed me was later in the evening, she was kinda saying it.
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So, you can buy that on iTunes. It's somewhere else too, right? Google Play.
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Because what happens is, the alarm goes off, if you have it set, then it's gonna be my voice.
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No, it's just a, it's just a, it's an album. It's a, it's an album of tracks and each track
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Talks about some moment of week, generally a moment of weakness that you have, like, there's ones to wake up in the morning.
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There's ones to, you know what you don't feel like going to the gym? Go to the gym. There's ones you feel like eating a donut.
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Don't eat the donut. There's one. Elle, I'm gonna put this off for a while. I'm gonna procrastinate. No, you're not gonna procrastinate. So, all the little moments of weakness that we all have as humans can be countered using psychological warfare. Factually.
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If you want to get some tea, if you're a tea drinker or if you're not a tea drinker, you can get some chocolate white tea. You can get it on Amazon. It's fully in stock. Y'all those days of being out of stock, I think we've got them under control for now.
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And I won't make any promises, cause last time I made a promise, you guys went psycho. So I'm not gonna make a promise, but you can get the Jocka White Tea. I figured out, again, it doesn't taste like tea.
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Really, it doesn't taste like coffee, and for a long time I was at a loss for words to describe what it tasted like, and I figured it out. I was responding to someone, and I figured it out what it tastes like. And it's pretty simple. The Jocka White Tea tastes like victory.
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So, get some of that. If you need to deadlift more, if you need to overhead squat more weights, this will increase all those numbers beyond anything you could have hoped for. You can drink it from a Jocko mug.
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If you haven't got the book Extreme Ownership, you can pick that up there. It's about leadership. It's about combat leadership. I'm gonna give my friend Peter Attia about three copies of it.
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That's right. But I clearly missed that chapter. Wait, what's a pre-public, what does that mean? Meaning before the book came out, hey, here's what the book is.
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Hey, speaking of extreme ownership, we're having another muster. If you don't know what it is, check out the website, extremeownership.com. It's going to be in New York City.
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Everyone can come, because if you're on the east coast, no matter where you're on the world, it's easy to get to New York. And...
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May 4th and 5th, if you're a leader or you want to be a leader, come and get it. There's every level of leaders there, CEOs, mid-level managers,
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Every industry you can think of too. People that manufacturing and finance and construction and health and pharmaceutical and there's police there and fire and military and oil industry and energies, everybody.
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All working on leadership, talking about leadership. So, and I've said, it's gonna sell out. We're moving in that direction quickly, and Echo hasn't even released his videos yet, because he's on Hawaiian time.
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You're not going to put out any scrub material. Once those videos come out, my feeling is it's going to sell out very quickly.
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Get there now, sign up for it, if you need a police or a fire discount or a military discount or if you're gonna bring a group of people. I think the biggest group we had at the last one, one company was around 16 people from one company or 12 people, but there's some pretty big numbers of companies that are showing u...
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And if you want to continue these conversations with Peter,
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On Twitter, you're peteratiaMD. What are you on Facebook?
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Yeah, there's a way to connect the two. I've tried it, I don't like it, I do them separately.
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Uh, alright, Echo and I, we are also present and accounted for on the interwebs. On Twitter, on Instagram, and also if you're gonna be looking around that Facebook-y boha, we gonna be there.
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Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and again, I would like to thank you Peter for coming on and
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More important for everything you've done for me, which really the way it's connected all together, getting me through Kirk to Tim Ferriss, which was the book and getting me on Joe Rogan, which led to this podcast. It's been awesome. So to you.
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To Doc Kirk Parsley for introducing us, but thank you and him for what you guys have done for me. So men and women in uniform out there holding the line.
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Thanks for your service and your sacrifice to the police on the corner.
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Fighting crime. The firemen fighting fires. Thanks for keeping us safe. To the medical.
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People in the medical professions like Peter, doctors, nurses, physicians, assistants, EMTs, all of you working to save lives. Thank you for your commitment to service. And it's obviously a massive commitment when you hear about the hours and the emotional trauma.
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That it takes to go into any one of those industries and services. And to everybody else that's listening, thank you.
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It's your communications, your questions, your participation.
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Your feedback and your spreading of the word that makes this possible and it's what makes this worthwhile. So thank all of you for all of that.
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And finally, thanks to all of you for getting out there and getting after it.
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This is Jocko Podcast number 62 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.
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Taken from an actual incident in war is more instructive for me, a soldier, than all the theers and germanies in the world.
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But they never show me what I wish to know. A battalion, a company, a squad in action.
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Concerning a regiment, a battalion, a company, a squad, it is interesting to know the disposition taken to meet the enemy or order for the march toward them.
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What becomes of this disposition or this march order under the isolated or combined influences of accidents of the terrain and the approach of the danger?
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Is this order changed or is it continued in force when approaching the enemy? What becomes of it?
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Arriving within the range of the guns. Within the range of the bullets.
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At what distance is a voluntary or an order disposition taken before starting operations for commencing fire, for charging, or for both?
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How about the firing? How did the men adapt themselves? How was the charge made?
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At what distance did the charge fall back before the fire or the good order and good dispositions of the enemy or before such and such a movement of the enemy?
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What can be said about all these with reference to the enemy?
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I.E. the order, the disorder, the shouts, the silence, the confusion, the calmness of the officers and men, whether with us or with the enemy, before, during, and after combat.
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At what instant has he had a tendency to quit the line in order to remain behind or rush ahead?
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At what moment, if the control were escaping the leader's hands?
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Has it no longer been possible to exercise it?
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At what instant has this control escaped from the battalion commander? When from the captain, the section leader, or the squad leader?
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What time, in short, if such a thing did take place, was there but a disordered impulse? Whether to the front or to the rear, carrying along, pal-mel, with it both leaders and men.
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Where and when did the halt take place? Where and when were the leaders able to resume control of the men? At what moments before, during, or after the day was the battalion roll call, the company roll call made? The results of these roll calls, what were they? How many dead? How many wounded on the side? And on the o...
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The kind of wounds of the officers. Non-commissioned officers, corporals, privates, etc.
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All these details, in a word, enlighten either the material or the moral side of the action, or enable it to be visualized.
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Possibly a closer examination might show that they are matters infinitely more instructive to us as soldiers than all the discussions imaginable on the plans and general conduct of campaigns of the greatest captain in the great movements of the battlefield.
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And it is therefore our trade that we desire to know.
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Certainly, one cannot obtain all the details of the same incident, but from a series of true accounts.
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There should emanate an ensemble of characteristic details which in themselves are very apt to show in a striking, irrefutable way what was necessarily and forcibly taking place at such and such a moment of an action in war.
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Take the estimate of a soldier obtained in this manner to serve as a base for what might possibly be a rational method of fighting.
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But experience is long and life is short.
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The experiences of each cannot therefore be completed except by those of others.
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French officer in the French army named Ardent Dupic.
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And he was in the French army in the mid-1800s. Which...
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Had him then fighting in the Crimean War, 1855. He was in Syria during the sectarian violence of 1860 and 1861. He saw service in Algeria from 1864 to 1866.
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And finally, he was a regimental commander.
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During the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War where he served as the commander for 33 days of his regiment from 15 July 1870 until 18 August 1870 when he was severely wounded by shrapnel and eventually died of those wounds.
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He is interested in what I am interested in, and that is primarily human nature.
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And human beings and how they act under stress and under fear and in the face of death. And then, more important, how do you lead in those situations?
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Just like today, it certainly involves tactics and strategy and technology and politics, but war at its core is about people.
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