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And it turns out it worked out. Most of those scantrons were OK. Yeah, they scored it, at least. So when you talk about them removing the writing sample, it's not quite as generous as that could seem at first glance. I said removing it from test day. Exactly. So I think we should put a finer point on this as to exactly...
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I said removing it from test day. Exactly. So I think we should put a finer point on this as to exactly what that means. You do still have to complete a writing sample. You do. You just don't have to complete it the day of the LSAT.
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You do still have to complete a writing sample. You do. You just don't have to complete it the day of the LSAT. And you don't have to go to a test center to complete it. You can complete it from a computer. That's right.
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And you don't have to go to a test center to complete it. You can complete it from a computer. That's right. And no one will judge your handwriting anymore. No, they won't. They'll just judge your typing speed now.
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And no one will judge your handwriting anymore. No, they won't. They'll just judge your typing speed now. I'm sure they will get all the biometric data they can from people with webcams and everything. Well, that's an interesting point, which they haven't released the details of. I don't know how they're going to ensur...
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I'm sure they will get all the biometric data they can from people with webcams and everything. Well, that's an interesting point, which they haven't released the details of. I don't know how they're going to ensure security that you can't have Stephen King come write it for you or someone. Is that really who you want ...
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Is that really who you want writing your writing sample? I don't know. He was prolific. He was the first one that came to mind. How about Michael Lewis or somebody like that? Oh, right.
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He was the first one that came to mind. How about Michael Lewis or somebody like that? Oh, right. You're fine. That's a little more fact-based. Gladwell comes in and just makes a bunch of stuff up.
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You're fine. That's a little more fact-based. Gladwell comes in and just makes a bunch of stuff up. That's fine. There you go. The security for this?
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That's fine. There you go. The security for this? That's a cheap shot. Sorry. Well, whatever.
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That's a cheap shot. Sorry. Well, whatever. I suspect the security won't be that great. But who cares? It's the writing sample.
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I suspect the security won't be that great. But who cares? It's the writing sample. If you're going to have somebody write it for you, what are you doing? The easier question is, who doesn't care? Because the answer to that is schools.
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If you're going to have somebody write it for you, what are you doing? The easier question is, who doesn't care? Because the answer to that is schools. True. Yeah. For the most part.
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True. Yeah. For the most part. We don't need to get too deep into exactly how it's treated. But I would say, for the most part, the writing sample has been an afterthought at best. I would have to agree with that.
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We don't need to get too deep into exactly how it's treated. But I would say, for the most part, the writing sample has been an afterthought at best. I would have to agree with that. Usually, if I talk to law school admissions officers, you hear, like, yeah, I look at them every once in a while. If I have suspicions ab...
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Usually, if I talk to law school admissions officers, you hear, like, yeah, I look at them every once in a while. If I have suspicions about the candidate or I want to confirm something, I'll glance at it. I don't think it's a make or break kind of piece. Like, oh, you wrote an incredible writing sample, and that's why...
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Like, oh, you wrote an incredible writing sample, and that's why we admitted you to Yale. That is not going to happen. Right. However, I can see a school saying, I'm on the fence about this person. This writing sample is really poor. You're out.
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However, I can see a school saying, I'm on the fence about this person. This writing sample is really poor. You're out. That's the way I explain it to people a lot of times. It's probably not going to get you in. But if you just botch it, it could keep you out.
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That's the way I explain it to people a lot of times. It's probably not going to get you in. But if you just botch it, it could keep you out. It's a deal breaker, not a deal maker. That's right. Yeah.
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It's a deal breaker, not a deal maker. That's right. Yeah. It can close a door, but it probably won't open one. But the way this new one's going to work is they're going to have you do it from home, at your own computer, typing away, with a window of, I think, about two weeks post-test. Is that what it is?
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It can close a door, but it probably won't open one. But the way this new one's going to work is they're going to have you do it from home, at your own computer, typing away, with a window of, I think, about two weeks post-test. Is that what it is? I believe so. I'm still waiting. I mean, all of this is still new news.
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I believe so. I'm still waiting. I mean, all of this is still new news. So we'll see exactly what the details are when they release it, which will probably be in the next month or two. OK. Well, obviously, when that information comes out, we will break it down thoroughly and talk about it. But the good news here is tha...
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So we'll see exactly what the details are when they release it, which will probably be in the next month or two. OK. Well, obviously, when that information comes out, we will break it down thoroughly and talk about it. But the good news here is that this is a forever change. This is going to happen, and then all future...
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This is going to happen, and then all future LSATs, you don't have to take the writing sample. So you save 30 minutes, 35 minutes extra in LSAC's tender, loving care at the test center. Let me double down on forever. It's not only a forever change in the sense that new LSATs will have this, but your writing sample is n...
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It's not only a forever change in the sense that new LSATs will have this, but your writing sample is now forever. You do one, and it applies to all future tests. You don't have to do a writing sample for every subsequent LSAT. Excellent. So it's, yeah. Doubly permanent.
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Excellent. So it's, yeah. Doubly permanent. You better hope you get a good topic. Doubly permanent. I know, right?
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You better hope you get a good topic. Doubly permanent. I know, right? What if you get a topic you just hate? Can you ask to retake it? That's a good question, too, that I have.
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What if you get a topic you just hate? Can you ask to retake it? That's a good question, too, that I have. Yeah, that's probably the question of the night. I know that LSAC, if I pose that question to them, they would probably give me that look, that's like, really, Dave? Yeah.
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Yeah, that's probably the question of the night. I know that LSAC, if I pose that question to them, they would probably give me that look, that's like, really, Dave? Yeah. Are you really asking us that right now? That's the look I'm making right now. Fair enough.
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Are you really asking us that right now? That's the look I'm making right now. Fair enough. Well, I will ask that question when the time is right. Yeah, we'll see what else they release about it. But that is the good news.
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Well, I will ask that question when the time is right. Yeah, we'll see what else they release about it. But that is the good news. The writing sample is becoming more and more marginalized, as it deserves to be. And you see thematically, when I was talking about that strut song earlier, and the song, Who Am I, which I ...
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The writing sample is becoming more and more marginalized, as it deserves to be. And you see thematically, when I was talking about that strut song earlier, and the song, Who Am I, which I completely recommend that you listen to, because it's a fabulous song. This is a good example, because they're remaking themselves....
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They're trying to figure out who they are. Obviously, they're competing with the GRE, and now they're throwing off the writing sample. They're going digital. They are in a state of flux. They're like- It's a crisis of self-identity, really. They're like a teenager.
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They are in a state of flux. They're like- It's a crisis of self-identity, really. They're like a teenager. That's right. LSAC puberty, that's what we're witnessing right now. Who am I?
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That's right. LSAC puberty, that's what we're witnessing right now. Who am I? I have no idea. What am I going to do? Everything's changing.
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I have no idea. What am I going to do? Everything's changing. Well, after that June test, then you have another July test. So we had one last year that was really announced on very short notice. And that timeline gave us a really unique ability to make predictions about that test.
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Well, after that June test, then you have another July test. So we had one last year that was really announced on very short notice. And that timeline gave us a really unique ability to make predictions about that test. This July test is really a landmark test, but for completely different reasons. And this is the tran...
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This July test is really a landmark test, but for completely different reasons. And this is the transition from paper to digital. So unlike the way I would have done it, which is like, OK, that's the last paper test, and here's the new digital test, which I think is kind of a cool way to do it. Just hand it off. It's l...
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Just hand it off. It's like a paper test. Hand it off. It's like a baton. Yeah. Nope.
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It's like a baton. Yeah. Nope. What they are saying is they are going to use what they call best practices for test transition. So the fact that that exists already tells you that they've studied this pretty closely. Whether or not it is, I'll take their word for it.
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What they are saying is they are going to use what they call best practices for test transition. So the fact that that exists already tells you that they've studied this pretty closely. Whether or not it is, I'll take their word for it. But what it does mean is that this is a more or less half paper, half digital admin...
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But what it does mean is that this is a more or less half paper, half digital administration, meaning some people will walk into the test center and get a paper version. Other people will get the digital version, which is done on tablet. And it gets worse. It gets worse because instead of you knowing beforehand so you ...
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It gets worse because instead of you knowing beforehand so you kind of mentally prepare, you don't find out until you get there. That's right. So it's kind of like going to a casino. And if you really want one outcome, you don't know if you're going to get that. You might, but there's going to be that anxiety and trepi...
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And if you really want one outcome, you don't know if you're going to get that. You might, but there's going to be that anxiety and trepidation as you build into actually being there. And it's going to be center to center, I have to presume. Some centers are going to get sent a ton of Microsoft Go tablets or whatever t...
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Some centers are going to get sent a ton of Microsoft Go tablets or whatever they're called, surface probe something. And then some are going to get a whole stack of paper tests. Some places are going to have you with a number two pencil and some will have you with a stylus. Yeah, I would think they're going to mingle ...
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Yeah, I would think they're going to mingle it a little bit. You think so? At the same center, you think there'll be some, not in the same room. Not in the same room, definitely not. That would be irritating. Well, it's worse than irritating.
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Not in the same room, definitely not. That would be irritating. Well, it's worse than irritating. It's impossible to test self proctors versus the paper where it has to be human. So yes, that is irritating. That feels like a patronizing explanation to you and I'm sorry for it.
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Do you think they could divide it up? Someplace like UCLA where- Different break times and all that? I have, you don't need to worry about what another room is doing. If you have five rooms full of students taking this, you could easily have two of them be on tablet. They could run their exact schedule and it would hav...
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If you have five rooms full of students taking this, you could easily have two of them be on tablet. They could run their exact schedule and it would have nothing to do with the people who are taking the paper test. It wouldn't even bother them, other than the noise, which it's quite clear LSAC has proven they could ca...
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I mean, not only could they care less, they don't pay attention. Could not care less. They actively ignore the issue. Yeah, if anything, I think they're hiring marching bands to just go around and bang cymbals. Who's gonna set the fire alarm off this week? Or hey, make sure all the proctors have gum and they chew with ...
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Yeah, if anything, I think they're hiring marching bands to just go around and bang cymbals. Who's gonna set the fire alarm off this week? Or hey, make sure all the proctors have gum and they chew with their mouths open. Who's bringing the boom box for the room next door? It's a mess. It's a dance party.
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Who's bringing the boom box for the room next door? It's a mess. It's a dance party. You know, Dave, you and I are notorious for gambling on the most minute of things. Let's wager, we'll make it official right now. I don't think they're gonna mix centers.
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You know, Dave, you and I are notorious for gambling on the most minute of things. Let's wager, we'll make it official right now. I don't think they're gonna mix centers. Okay, and I think they will. What's the wager though? Ooh, what are the stakes?
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Okay, and I think they will. What's the wager though? Ooh, what are the stakes? I don't know, something reasonable, but not too extravagant. We'll come up with something. Yeah, you're gonna put on the spot, you're literally like, I'm actually stumped.
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I don't know, something reasonable, but not too extravagant. We'll come up with something. Yeah, you're gonna put on the spot, you're literally like, I'm actually stumped. Because I don't want to say anything that's reasonable to me and someone listens and they're like, well, that guy's an asshole. I won't do that. It'...
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Because I don't want to say anything that's reasonable to me and someone listens and they're like, well, that guy's an asshole. I won't do that. It's not gonna be like a Paul Reed Smith guitar. Exactly. Let's put it that way. So the other thing about that July test, aside from the fact that, hey, you get to walk in and...
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Exactly. Let's put it that way. So the other thing about that July test, aside from the fact that, hey, you get to walk in and get dealt whatever cards are gonna be dealt for the day, is that it comes along with, I think, a rather incredible feature. And it's a one-time only feature, it only applies to the July test. A...
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And it's a one-time only feature, it only applies to the July test. And that is you get to preview your score before deciding to keep or cancel that score. That's never happened before. They're saying it will never happen again. I think that's stupid. There are other major standardized tests at the graduate level that ...
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They're saying it will never happen again. I think that's stupid. There are other major standardized tests at the graduate level that do this, that allow you to see your score before you lock it in. And so I don't think there's anything wrong with doing it. But this is the one and only time that, for the LSAT, you will...
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And so I don't think there's anything wrong with doing it. But this is the one and only time that, for the LSAT, you will be able to take the test, regardless of the format, and then actually make that decision. That's right. And it gets better. It does get better. If you cancel your score, you then get to take the LSA...
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And it gets better. It does get better. If you cancel your score, you then get to take the LSAT for free anytime. Until April of 2019. Or 2020, rather. Yeah, six more months.
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Until April of 2019. Or 2020, rather. Yeah, six more months. You've got a free retake on your record. Yeah. Not bad.
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You've got a free retake on your record. Yeah. Not bad. And then you, of course, don't have to take the writing sample. And if you took June, you've got your writing sample locked in. Even better.
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And then you, of course, don't have to take the writing sample. And if you took June, you've got your writing sample locked in. Even better. It's got some really nice features to it. So let me ask you, when students have approached you about the July test, because obviously it comes with a tremendous degree of uncertai...
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It's got some really nice features to it. So let me ask you, when students have approached you about the July test, because obviously it comes with a tremendous degree of uncertainty, trepidation, anxiety, that you don't know exactly what your test is even gonna look like as you look down at your seat, have you been en...
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No, I've been saying that if you feel comfortable with the digital format, take it. Okay. How are you telling students to get comfortable with the digital format? Well, that great LSAC familiarization tool is the starting point, John. Well, I knew. Yeah.
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Well, that great LSAC familiarization tool is the starting point, John. Well, I knew. Yeah. But what good advice are you giving? Yeah. What useful tips have you given people?
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But what good advice are you giving? Yeah. What useful tips have you given people? Well, the first thing is, is that you're going to see digital tools coming out over the course of the spring and the summer. So for example, we're building our own. You can self-promote, because I intend to.
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Well, the first thing is, is that you're going to see digital tools coming out over the course of the spring and the summer. So for example, we're building our own. You can self-promote, because I intend to. Yeah, well, we're building our own interface so that we can deliver a ton of our content in a digital format tha...
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Yeah, well, we're building our own interface so that we can deliver a ton of our content in a digital format that will more or less emulate what the test interface looks like. So in fact, the digital change is sparking huge changes in the courses that we have and the way that we give material to students and how they a...
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So for me, the digital transition is one of the most positive things that I have seen in years. I realize that there's that moment of alarm where you're like, what the heck's going on? And from a test-taking and a student perspective, it's like, I wish this wasn't happening. I'd rather go with the tried and true. But a...
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I'd rather go with the tried and true. But at least from the direction this is taking things, I'm pretty excited about it. But the key thing is this, is if you're a student who's thinking about taking July, you have to ask yourself, can you manage the risk and anxiety over which format you get? Can you handle it? Or is...
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Can you handle it? Or is it gonna drive you nuts? Because if it's gonna drive you nuts, you don't wanna go into a test where you're like, all your nerves are jangled because you just don't know the test format. So that's really the first question. But if you can manage it and you're like, I don't care, or it's not that...
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So that's really the first question. But if you can manage it and you're like, I don't care, or it's not that big of a deal, then the second question is, if you get the digital format, will you be comfortable working within it? Now, my take is you will be. Anybody who's- You can be. Do your due diligence and you absolu...
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Anybody who's- You can be. Do your due diligence and you absolutely have every opportunity to succeed in that. More so than that, even without being specifically versed in how the tools work, I still think the average student of today would feel completely comfortable. You got a phone, you ever used an iPad? The answer...
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You got a phone, you ever used an iPad? The answer is always yes. This isn't all that far off. Yes, the interface is from 1984. But I mean, aside from that, you can still use it. It does some cool things.
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Yes, the interface is from 1984. But I mean, aside from that, you can still use it. It does some cool things. You can always see the timer counting down. One of my students, or certainly a student that I'm friendly with, she was down in Florida and the proctor screwed up her timing in multiple sections. And of course, ...
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You can always see the timer counting down. One of my students, or certainly a student that I'm friendly with, she was down in Florida and the proctor screwed up her timing in multiple sections. And of course, it's a disaster because- Central Florida this weekend, right? Yeah, it's a complete disaster. There's an offic...
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Yeah, it's a complete disaster. There's an official filed complaint. The proctor's already acknowledged that mistakes were made. This fundamentally changes her options in terms of where she is applying and what tests that those schools will accept. And it's an adverse situation. She's gotta deal with it.
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This fundamentally changes her options in terms of where she is applying and what tests that those schools will accept. And it's an adverse situation. She's gotta deal with it. The potential for human error is off the table. Yeah. That's true.
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The potential for human error is off the table. Yeah. That's true. I've taken the digital LSAT, I took the very first pilot test, as you well know. I do. And it was, there were things about it I really liked.
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I've taken the digital LSAT, I took the very first pilot test, as you well know. I do. And it was, there were things about it I really liked. A lot. There's nothing to be afraid of. It takes a little adjustment.
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A lot. There's nothing to be afraid of. It takes a little adjustment. But once you've spent some time with the new software, with the new platform, you're fine. I can't recommend July highly enough. Me either.
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But once you've spent some time with the new software, with the new platform, you're fine. I can't recommend July highly enough. Me either. Just the score. Because let's say you go in there- It's so mitigated. And you get destroyed.
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Just the score. Because let's say you go in there- It's so mitigated. And you get destroyed. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, there's no consequence. You just cancel your score, nobody really cares.
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Exactly. Yeah, I mean, there's no consequence. You just cancel your score, nobody really cares. And they're not gonna be like, you couldn't handle the digital test, man. No one knows. They don't even know, schools won't even know you had a digital test.
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And they're not gonna be like, you couldn't handle the digital test, man. No one knows. They don't even know, schools won't even know you had a digital test. It's not, yeah. It's not like there's some kind of judgment. Somebody had actually asked me that online.
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It's not, yeah. It's not like there's some kind of judgment. Somebody had actually asked me that online. They're like, well, will they assume this? I'm like, they don't assume anything because they're too busy doing other things. It would do them no benefit to assume anyway.
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They're like, well, will they assume this? I'm like, they don't assume anything because they're too busy doing other things. It would do them no benefit to assume anyway. So no. Exactly. And schools don't care about a cancellation.
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So no. Exactly. And schools don't care about a cancellation. That's the, there's nothing, there's nothing there to judge. They don't care. One or two cancellations never caused anybody to be looked at in any unusual way.
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That's the, there's nothing, there's nothing there to judge. They don't care. One or two cancellations never caused anybody to be looked at in any unusual way. Three or more, I think three is the cutoff line. Once you go above three, it's like, what's going on? Probably got some explaining to do.
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Three or more, I think three is the cutoff line. Once you go above three, it's like, what's going on? Probably got some explaining to do. Yeah, and you know, there are decent explanations. It's just, you know, there's like an LSAT question about all these bad things happening. And it's like, wait a second, each time yo...
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Yeah, and you know, there are decent explanations. It's just, you know, there's like an LSAT question about all these bad things happening. And it's like, wait a second, each time you had a cancellation, something terrible happened, you broke your leg. Someone in your family died. You got into a car crash. It's like, e...
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Someone in your family died. You got into a car crash. It's like, each of those individually can happen, but on successive LSATs, unlikely. So if you've got one or two cancellations, nobody cares about that. And law schools don't care. And so I wouldn't even worry about that situation.
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So if you've got one or two cancellations, nobody cares about that. And law schools don't care. And so I wouldn't even worry about that situation. Yeah, the potential to be done early in the cycle, the potential to get a preview of the digital test if you end up having to take in September or later, which we'll talk ab...
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Yeah, the potential to be done early in the cycle, the potential to get a preview of the digital test if you end up having to take in September or later, which we'll talk about. And the ability to cancel once you've seen your results and realize they're good or bad. Like, man, why would you not be gunning for July? So ...
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So I've told every student I've talked to, listen, if you wanna gear up for June, do it. But July's a pretty sweet option. Here's why you shouldn't take July. Because you should instead be at the pool or at the beach. I see. Or doing something that is fun.
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Because you should instead be at the pool or at the beach. I see. Or doing something that is fun. You should be traveling. That's true, it is a Monday in the middle of the summer. Thanks, guys.
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You should be traveling. That's true, it is a Monday in the middle of the summer. Thanks, guys. Take July if you've got anything better to do. If you wanna have a fun life. Which is probable.
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Take July if you've got anything better to do. If you wanna have a fun life. Which is probable. July sucks for that particular purpose. So yeah, I think the test itself's fantastic. The timing of it, I hate.
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