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July sucks for that particular purpose. So yeah, I think the test itself's fantastic. The timing of it, I hate. Yeah, nobody interested in fun life goes to law school, though. So I think we've probably already weeded them out. Not for three years, at least.
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Yeah, nobody interested in fun life goes to law school, though. So I think we've probably already weeded them out. Not for three years, at least. Not for three years, right. Well, I think they're gonna get a large number of students taking it. So the one thing to think about is the registration's open.
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Not for three years, right. Well, I think they're gonna get a large number of students taking it. So the one thing to think about is the registration's open. If you think you're gonna take it, go register. It's gonna be a big test. Yeah, I would say that you're gonna see some test centers filling up, and probably it wo...
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If you think you're gonna take it, go register. It's gonna be a big test. Yeah, I would say that you're gonna see some test centers filling up, and probably it won't be all that long before they are filling up. With only one type of test or the other, as my bet will prove. So then once July is done, that kind of transi...
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With only one type of test or the other, as my bet will prove. So then once July is done, that kind of transitional best practices 50-50 approach, it's done as well. And the next LSAT after that is the September test. And this then completes the transition that LSAC's going through and trying to find themselves, becaus...
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And this then completes the transition that LSAC's going through and trying to find themselves, because this is now then the first fully digital test. No more paper, at least domestically. Yeah, that's right. We should mention that internationally, you can still take the test with pencil and paper. Yeah, so if you real...
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We should mention that internationally, you can still take the test with pencil and paper. Yeah, so if you really are married to that format, a trip to Europe is justifiable. One more benefit. Can you imagine, hey, mom and dad, I have to go to London, I swear. If I'd thrown that at my parents in college, they would've ...
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Can you imagine, hey, mom and dad, I have to go to London, I swear. If I'd thrown that at my parents in college, they would've laughed at me. You've had worse ideas. They would've just been like, this is the stupidest thing you've ever come up with. You're gonna go to London to take an American test. You're going down ...
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They would've just been like, this is the stupidest thing you've ever come up with. You're gonna go to London to take an American test. You're going down the street. So that September test, though, fully digital, no writing sample to deal with, no uncertainty when you walk in. You know you're gonna be using the tablet,...
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So that September test, though, fully digital, no writing sample to deal with, no uncertainty when you walk in. You know you're gonna be using the tablet, and at least, again, in the US and Canada. And so that is, at that point, the new format that is then used for all tests thereafter. And the bad or downside of this ...
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And the bad or downside of this is that there is no instantaneous scoring. It still is gonna take about 21 days, which is, of course, astonishing to me still today that they couldn't have gotten scores back faster. And I can see you shaking your head. Well, I mean, at least a raw score, right? Yeah, I mean, I can envis...
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Well, I mean, at least a raw score, right? Yeah, I mean, I can envision us both shaking our head. They have every opportunity to be like, well, look, you got 87 right. We haven't confirmed the curve yet, but this is how many questions, tentatively, unofficially, you've answered correctly. Why not? What's the harm?
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We haven't confirmed the curve yet, but this is how many questions, tentatively, unofficially, you've answered correctly. Why not? What's the harm? Zero harm. The GMAT does it, the GRE does it. There's the most analogous tests that are out there do it.
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Zero harm. The GMAT does it, the GRE does it. There's the most analogous tests that are out there do it. They now have this opportunity and seem to refuse. Fumbled it is, you know, with the Super Bowl coming up here, that's the term I'm gonna use. Defeat from the jaws of victory, here's LSAC.
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They now have this opportunity and seem to refuse. Fumbled it is, you know, with the Super Bowl coming up here, that's the term I'm gonna use. Defeat from the jaws of victory, here's LSAC. So I- In a non-Brady-esque mood. That's right. Yeah, this is them in the red zone, returning it to the wrong end zone.
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So I- In a non-Brady-esque mood. That's right. Yeah, this is them in the red zone, returning it to the wrong end zone. But- So 20, wait a second though, 21 days for the score, but then no score preview. That's off the table at this point. So if you choose to keep your score- Yeah, that's a July one and done.
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But- So 20, wait a second though, 21 days for the score, but then no score preview. That's off the table at this point. So if you choose to keep your score- Yeah, that's a July one and done. Yeah, you choose to keep your score, you're gonna get that, but you won't know what it is. It goes right back to the way it is to...
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Yeah, you choose to keep your score, you're gonna get that, but you won't know what it is. It goes right back to the way it is today and how it was for this past weekend's LSAC. Now, while we're making predictions, let's make another one. Do you think this will change eventually? I think so, yeah. I do too.
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Do you think this will change eventually? I think so, yeah. I do too. The pressure is- This is one of the great advantages of a digital test is instantaneous scoring. I know why they don't wanna do it, but- It costs them nothing. The official excuse when they give it, and they really don't wanna talk about this as far ...
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The pressure is- This is one of the great advantages of a digital test is instantaneous scoring. I know why they don't wanna do it, but- It costs them nothing. The official excuse when they give it, and they really don't wanna talk about this as far as I've been able to tell, it's going to deal with the fact that, well...
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Question banks that adapt section or question by question, right? Exactly. So each individual GMAT and GRE taker has a slightly different exam. That's not the case with the LSAT and that they still need to run all their statistics and analytics on this to make sure that the test is viable. We just saw a test where a qu...
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That's not the case with the LSAT and that they still need to run all their statistics and analytics on this to make sure that the test is viable. We just saw a test where a question was removed. And the last question- That was the 27th Reading Comp question in November, if anyone's interested. Exactly, which if you to...
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Exactly, which if you took that test, you know that question was removed, but if you get the actual test booklet now, they haven't even made a note of it. There's no question 27, and it doesn't even say question removed from scoring. Which is like, yeah. They just erased their mistake and they're like, yeah, we didn't ...
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They just erased their mistake and they're like, yeah, we didn't do that guys, right? Spackling of the history. Nobody saw that. That's right. It's like somebody walking into a building and stumbling and then looking around very quickly. Did anyone see me do that?
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That's right. It's like somebody walking into a building and stumbling and then looking around very quickly. Did anyone see me do that? Delete the footage. We saw. So, yeah, that kind of situation is, that's what their official excuse is gonna be, is that they are looking at a scenario where they still have to run thos...
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Delete the footage. We saw. So, yeah, that kind of situation is, that's what their official excuse is gonna be, is that they are looking at a scenario where they still have to run those collective analytics and make sure it's a viable test. But there is no way on earth it takes 21 days. No. No.
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But there is no way on earth it takes 21 days. No. No. Especially not, I mean, they'll have, the scores will be sent to them digitally within seconds. They're done. Instantaneously.
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Especially not, I mean, they'll have, the scores will be sent to them digitally within seconds. They're done. Instantaneously. Right. What they should do is what you just suggested, which is you got, you know, 72 points. Unofficial raw count.
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Right. What they should do is what you just suggested, which is you got, you know, 72 points. Unofficial raw count. We haven't made the curve yet. Yeah, that would actually be helpful. And then someone could go back and be like, all right, I got between this and this.
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We haven't made the curve yet. Yeah, that would actually be helpful. And then someone could go back and be like, all right, I got between this and this. And at least have some semblance of an idea. I think it would be maddening though, to be like, did I get a 161 or a 164? That would drive you crazy.
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And at least have some semblance of an idea. I think it would be maddening though, to be like, did I get a 161 or a 164? That would drive you crazy. That's the kind of curve we're about to get. This always comes with a degree of, yeah, madness for sure. Psychological torture.
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That's the kind of curve we're about to get. This always comes with a degree of, yeah, madness for sure. Psychological torture. But it also affects the cancellation rates and the bell curve. Because if people could see their raw score, even if they didn't know what it translated into, you're gonna get biased cancels. Y...
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But it also affects the cancellation rates and the bell curve. Because if people could see their raw score, even if they didn't know what it translated into, you're gonna get biased cancels. Yep. Which is what they try to avoid. Well, that's part of what's going on in July. Right.
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Which is what they try to avoid. Well, that's part of what's going on in July. Right. You know that there's gonna be probably a greater, I would assume greater than average level of cancellation. So we'll see about that. The GRE and the GMAT, again, they deal with this already.
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You know that there's gonna be probably a greater, I would assume greater than average level of cancellation. So we'll see about that. The GRE and the GMAT, again, they deal with this already. And there's a way for LSAC to move into this scenario. And I think they will eventually. This is the slow transition though.
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And there's a way for LSAC to move into this scenario. And I think they will eventually. This is the slow transition though. Like this is a company that has been static for years and years. I mean, the LSAT effectively hadn't changed from this paper and pencil format from its inception. And it's been the same basic tes...
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Like this is a company that has been static for years and years. I mean, the LSAT effectively hadn't changed from this paper and pencil format from its inception. And it's been the same basic test since 1991. Yeah, they added comparative reading in 2007, thank you. Not that big of a deal really. But this has been a tes...
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Yeah, they added comparative reading in 2007, thank you. Not that big of a deal really. But this has been a test that has just been sitting there, it's had no competition. They've been a monopolist. And all of a sudden the world's changing and they can't figure out who they are. And so this is their headlong rush to tr...
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They've been a monopolist. And all of a sudden the world's changing and they can't figure out who they are. And so this is their headlong rush to try to do all sorts of things. And it's not just the LSAT that you see this. They've released a podcast. And their first podcast was what?
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And it's not just the LSAT that you see this. They've released a podcast. And their first podcast was what? Was it 90 seconds long? Something like that. I think I hit play.
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Was it 90 seconds long? Something like that. I think I hit play. I turned my head and it was over. I remember blinking and missed it. What are you guys doing over there?
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I turned my head and it was over. I remember blinking and missed it. What are you guys doing over there? What did you just say? And it was just statistics. The percentage of people that have taken the LSAT has increased 7%.
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What did you just say? And it was just statistics. The percentage of people that have taken the LSAT has increased 7%. And then they started a blog. Lawfully their blog with Kelly Testy. Which, you know, that could be a great platform for them.
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And then they started a blog. Lawfully their blog with Kelly Testy. Which, you know, that could be a great platform for them. I would love to see them use that to really address some substantive questions and get into the LSAT. But so far it's just been about legal opportunities. My biggest gripe with them, and I think...
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I would love to see them use that to really address some substantive questions and get into the LSAT. But so far it's just been about legal opportunities. My biggest gripe with them, and I think yours as well, certainly high on the list, has been the lack of transparency. If they just communicate with students better, ...
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If they just communicate with students better, the whole just panoply of complaints would mostly evaporate. When are your scores coming out? How's this test? There's so many things they could do with a greater degree of communication and transparency and they just refuse to do it. There's this mystique that they like t...
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There's so many things they could do with a greater degree of communication and transparency and they just refuse to do it. There's this mystique that they like to maintain. It's infuriating and unnecessary. It's not mystique that they like to maintain. I've said this for years. Or that's just the outcome of something ...
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It's not mystique that they like to maintain. I've said this for years. Or that's just the outcome of something else? That's the outcome. That's the effect. The cause is that they do not see students as their clients.
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That's the outcome. That's the effect. The cause is that they do not see students as their clients. The cause here is that LSAC looks at law schools as their primary clients. Do you think this degree of, I don't know, open relationship that law schools have recently developed with the GRE, for instance? Their new girlf...
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The cause here is that LSAC looks at law schools as their primary clients. Do you think this degree of, I don't know, open relationship that law schools have recently developed with the GRE, for instance? Their new girlfriend? That's right, yeah. And they're seeing somebody else now. Hey guys.
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That's right, yeah. And they're seeing somebody else now. Hey guys. Do you think that that's maybe changed the minds of the people running the show at LSAC? Yeah. I think it affected them because, and I told this to them directly, I'm like, you've lost your monopoly.
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Do you think that that's maybe changed the minds of the people running the show at LSAC? Yeah. I think it affected them because, and I told this to them directly, I'm like, you've lost your monopoly. And I don't think that they believed it then. I don't think they completely believe it yet. I feel like they think that ...
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And I don't think that they believed it then. I don't think they completely believe it yet. I feel like they think that all the changes they've made have turned the corner and that they're back on the up. And I think they've done a really good job. I mean, if you're gonna take an organization that's been static for so ...
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And I think they've done a really good job. I mean, if you're gonna take an organization that's been static for so long and make changes like this, it's a lot of work. And I don't know Kelly Testy personally, but she's been the one that's been at the helm for this. And some of it was probably planned beforehand. Some o...
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And some of it was probably planned beforehand. Some of it was stuff that she's pushed through, but she's done it. And that's really the most important thing is to get them moving in the right direction. Yeah, I think if I, I mean, I'd call her a change for good for the most part. It's funny, you said lost their monopo...
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Yeah, I think if I, I mean, I'd call her a change for good for the most part. It's funny, you said lost their monopoly. And in my head, I heard lost their monogamy. Cause that to me is really what it is. Law schools have become a bit polyamorous. And when you start to court other tests, well, yeah, you better break out...
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Cause that to me is really what it is. Law schools have become a bit polyamorous. And when you start to court other tests, well, yeah, you better break out some new moves. I can tell you that last year, at least, early on and in late 2017, the debates over this were pretty fierce among the people that I know that do la...
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I can tell you that last year, at least, early on and in late 2017, the debates over this were pretty fierce among the people that I know that do law school admissions and LSAT preparation. There was a lot of discussion about like, what are they gonna do? How bad is it gonna be? And that didn't materialize because the ...
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And that didn't materialize because the ABA hasn't approved with finality the use of the GRE as a separate exclusive test. Currently, if you apply to law school and you have an LSAT score and a GRE score, they have to use the LSAT score. So they just ignore your GRE. That's right. So until something like that changes, ...
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That's right. So until something like that changes, you're not gonna see like the full on shift in this field, but it's clear that the GREs incursion into law school admissions has been the motivating factor in changing how they've been addressing things. And it's good. They need to be. They need to be more modern and ...
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They need to be. They need to be more modern and they needed to get to this level. So I welcome it overall, but they are still working. You're hoping their software catches up. So if you had to break down then the coming tests as like, all right, you're taking March, you're taking June, you're taking July, you're takin...
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You're hoping their software catches up. So if you had to break down then the coming tests as like, all right, you're taking March, you're taking June, you're taking July, you're taking September. These are the things to focus on. This is what you do. Let's run through it quickly. If you're taking March, for me, talkin...
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This is what you do. Let's run through it quickly. If you're taking March, for me, talking to students, you better know September and November cover to cover, especially the logical reasoning. Those tests have a dynamic that is not entirely unique, but different enough to be worth your time, be well aware of. And I thi...
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Those tests have a dynamic that is not entirely unique, but different enough to be worth your time, be well aware of. And I think March is gonna duplicate that even if they happen to pick an older test to reuse. That's my suspicion. You need to be in tune with the LR on those tests. Yes. And I think that holds for June...
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You need to be in tune with the LR on those tests. Yes. And I think that holds for June as well. The good news about June is you got some time to chill on the writing sample. As it were. You don't have to worry about it.
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The good news about June is you got some time to chill on the writing sample. As it were. You don't have to worry about it. That's right. Yeah. And then with July, obviously it's all about, playing the casino odds of which test you get.
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That's right. Yeah. And then with July, obviously it's all about, playing the casino odds of which test you get. For sure. You better be ready for both because you don't know what you're gonna get, but you do have this incredible safety net. Yeah.
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I already said this in the crystal ball seminar. This is nothing... I know. You're playing poker with your cards backwards. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, but I'll still win the game.
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You're playing poker with your cards backwards. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, but I'll still win the game. So, it'll be okay. Still got a royal flush going over there. I can show you my cards if they're really good.
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So, it'll be okay. Still got a royal flush going over there. I can show you my cards if they're really good. In this case, I feel really good about what July's gonna be, and we'll just narrow that down. Knowing it's one of three or four tests isn't that helpful. Knowing that it's maybe one of two is a lot more helpful.
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In this case, I feel really good about what July's gonna be, and we'll just narrow that down. Knowing it's one of three or four tests isn't that helpful. Knowing that it's maybe one of two is a lot more helpful. Powerful stuff, and we'll definitely get into it. We'll get to that particular point. And then obviously, af...
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Powerful stuff, and we'll definitely get into it. We'll get to that particular point. And then obviously, after July, the real focus is these are gonna be all digital tests. And you gotta know the software, you gotta know the tips and tricks, because it is a different experience, having done both many times. It's diffe...
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And you gotta know the software, you gotta know the tips and tricks, because it is a different experience, having done both many times. It's different. It's a change. But it's not a bad change. There are things about the digital tests that are actually beneficial. And I think people are gonna be appreciative of that as...
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But it's not a bad change. There are things about the digital tests that are actually beneficial. And I think people are gonna be appreciative of that as we get deeper into the year. All right, I think that probably wraps us up. Cool, yeah. All right, everybody, thanks so much.
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All right, I think that probably wraps us up. Cool, yeah. All right, everybody, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Finish that White Russian. You know, the ice melted, because I didn't really drink a whole lot.
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I appreciate it. Finish that White Russian. You know, the ice melted, because I didn't really drink a whole lot. I know. Well, you have been talking a lot. But now I'm going.
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I know. Well, you have been talking a lot. But now I'm going. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. See you later. You've earned it.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha. See you later. You've earned it. All right, buddy, go enjoy the rest of your day. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks for tuning in.
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We're going to review them, talk a little bit about scale predictions. But before we do, introductions. This is John Dinning down in Los Angeles. And this is Dave Killorn, and I'm in Napa Valley. How are you doing up there? I'm doing really well, actually.
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And this is Dave Killorn, and I'm in Napa Valley. How are you doing up there? I'm doing really well, actually. But I always am, so I don't think my answer really changes, does it? No, it doesn't. You live a charmed life.
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But I always am, so I don't think my answer really changes, does it? No, it doesn't. You live a charmed life. Although your blue devils certainly are not contributing to that happiness. No, they're not charmed. That was a tough game.
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Although your blue devils certainly are not contributing to that happiness. No, they're not charmed. That was a tough game. And you know what? You live on the edge, you die on the edge. So congrats to Michigan State on going through.
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And you know what? You live on the edge, you die on the edge. So congrats to Michigan State on going through. And my wife, who is from Lansing, was ecstatic about that. Did she keep it to herself, or did she rub it in? No, she did not rub it in.
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And my wife, who is from Lansing, was ecstatic about that. Did she keep it to herself, or did she rub it in? No, she did not rub it in. She's really cool that way. She's a better man than I am. Look, I mean, Duke had won the prior seven matchups with Michigan State.
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She's really cool that way. She's a better man than I am. Look, I mean, Duke had won the prior seven matchups with Michigan State. And I didn't rub it in with her, so it was only fair play. I guess so. She won when it counted.
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And I didn't rub it in with her, so it was only fair play. I guess so. She won when it counted. What are you sipping on, Dave? Well, today I am drinking in honor of the fact that the LSAT is now over, some sparkling wine. This is a Schramsberg Brut Rose.
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What are you sipping on, Dave? Well, today I am drinking in honor of the fact that the LSAT is now over, some sparkling wine. This is a Schramsberg Brut Rose. I love it. And you're going to correct me on this, because I know you already have. Where I told you earlier, I was like, I'm going to drink some Schramsberg cha...
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I love it. And you're going to correct me on this, because I know you already have. Where I told you earlier, I was like, I'm going to drink some Schramsberg champagne. And you laughed, I'm sure you rolled your eyes, and told me it is not champagne. It is, in fact, sparkling wine. But I'm drinking Schramsberg, too.
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And you laughed, I'm sure you rolled your eyes, and told me it is not champagne. It is, in fact, sparkling wine. But I'm drinking Schramsberg, too. Tell me why it's not champagne. I can't taste the difference. You can't taste the difference.
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Tell me why it's not champagne. I can't taste the difference. You can't taste the difference. No, because they're basically the same process. But champagne is a region in France. So they actually have the trademark on the word champagne.
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No, because they're basically the same process. But champagne is a region in France. So they actually have the trademark on the word champagne. And there was some usage of it in the United States, I think in the 60s and 70s. And the champagne producers said, we don't like that. And so they got it stopped.
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And there was some usage of it in the United States, I think in the 60s and 70s. And the champagne producers said, we don't like that. And so they got it stopped. And now in America, they call them sparkling wines. Interesting. Or bubbles, or some variation on that.
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And now in America, they call them sparkling wines. Interesting. Or bubbles, or some variation on that. So it's basically trademarked. See, I always thought champagne was just a liquid in a bottle. Well, it is.
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So it's basically trademarked. See, I always thought champagne was just a liquid in a bottle. Well, it is. But it's also evocative of the region that it is. More specific than that. It's like bourbon versus whiskey, or something.
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But it's also evocative of the region that it is. More specific than that. It's like bourbon versus whiskey, or something. Something like that. Well, Schramsberg holds a special place in my heart, as it were, because that is the very first tour that I ever took of anywhere in Napa Valley, with you, of all people. We we...
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Something like that. Well, Schramsberg holds a special place in my heart, as it were, because that is the very first tour that I ever took of anywhere in Napa Valley, with you, of all people. We went through the Schramsberg caves years ago. Which are awesome. Yeah, just an incredible place. I'll actually, for anyone li...
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Which are awesome. Yeah, just an incredible place. I'll actually, for anyone listening to this who's interested, I'll link to the vineyard site, or the website for Schramsberg. They make great stuff. The caves there are incredible. I highly recommend it.
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They make great stuff. The caves there are incredible. I highly recommend it. But why champagne? Or sparkling wine? Sorry.
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But why champagne? Or sparkling wine? Sorry. I'm going to do it the whole time. Why sparkling wine? Well, as I mentioned earlier, if you'd been listening to me, I wouldn't have said it.
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I'm going to do it the whole time. Why sparkling wine? Well, as I mentioned earlier, if you'd been listening to me, I wouldn't have said it. You wouldn't. Of course not. But why male models?
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