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nano has no inflation... so even if demand remains flat, the price goes up. but demand is not flat, demand is rising |
ok sounds good, but also sounds like democracy which neither works in an advanced country like usa nor in the largest democracy like india. |
i'm sure if i really really read the whitepapers of both, i will be able to find where it shows how bitcoin is superior. satoshi must have been smart enough to not make something that needed vast improvement. but i do not have the time or patience, so i will trust the maxis and my own experience with bitcoin, long in years (since 2012) although very small in numbers. |
you cannot sell nano by trying to take down bitcoin. it's indestructible now. up is the only way for it. some altcoins, while altcoins last, might give 100x or 1000x, which bitcoin cannot (max it will now go is 10x), but it is 100% certain that bitcoin will outlast all of them. it might never end! there is just no comparison. you should pick on another popular altcoin and try to take its market share. won't happen with bitcoin. |
i see, now this make sense. thanks. |
i'm in crypto for the same reason btc was invented. wanting a p2p decentralized means of exchanging value. i'm sick of the government printing money and inflation and i can see a better system. fuck man, i'd still give up all my gains if it meant nano was adopted world wide tomorrow. fuck fees, fuck middlemen scraping off the top, fuck currency dealers that give shit rates, fuck the government for endlessly printing money for unnecessary shit. edit: fuck banks too |
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the beta is a start and proof of concept. the site has actually existed for a while...it is just the lps are fairly new. |
i've received a wealth of information here from. this space has not changed for the better since 2012, and i never expected it to. it's gotten much much worse. i've played all my cards right though, so i can be thankful for that. have a good one. |
satoshi thisagrees with you. i agree with satoshi. |
ahahaha nice mental gymnastics. keep lying to yourself. |
it's very interesting that after all that good information at the very end you just say(or copied and pasted) 'cloud hardware's which is the definition of centralization. i appreciate the rest of the information. |
people are generally not good at asking questions and it is important to try to understand what they are asking and provide an articulate respsonse. in this case, i believe the user is asking "**how and why** can nano be feeless" so i sent them a link to this article instead of trying to explain it myself: |
i can move fiat with bank apps for free. there is nothing game changing about that. you have no technical data to offer because your an ignorant charlatan. |
you do not have to use the strike app in el salvador, you can use whatever lightning wallet. muun for example is one that requires zero kyc. and how is ln not decentralized? it's peer2peer. |
volume has steadily dropped for years, where are you seeing demand going up? |
it is not really analogous to traditional democracies where the "wisdom of the crowd" picks one leader who may or may not be fair and just. with nano 'power' is spread across up to 200 representative nodes and 67% of the vote count needs to agree to confirm a transaction. it would cost literally billions to control 2'investment'. |
bitcoin is not superior, it just is what it is. and nano is what it is. they are so entirely different, almost no similarities. they use different methods to acheive the same result, that of being a decentralized open source monetary network. the thing is, nano just does it better, more efficiently, nano's solutions are far more elegant than bitcoin's crude solutions such as pow mining. |
>i'm sure if i really really read the whitepapers of both, i will be able to find where it shows how bitcoin is superior. i encourage you to do so. bitcoin is more like a model-a which has some good ideas but was outclassed in every category when the model-t (nano in this analogy) was finally developed. history remembers the [model-t the most influential car of the 20th century]( and the model-a ended up just a footnote. |
bitcoin isn’t usable as a currency which means other crypto will fill the void. and bitcoin *is* losing market share. that is an objective fact. |
lol yes, to buy a cup of coffee you have to pay more in fees than the actual cost of the coffee... that sure is "indestructible" lmfao. bitcoin maxis like yourself are always some of the most unintelligent people in the crypto world |
i get your point and completely agree tbh. but i want to use nano with other protocols. give me wrapped nano. give me smart contracts, let me borrow against it and i would convert all of my money into it again. no usability no me. simple as that. other cryptos give me the opportunity to do so much more with my money - other than just spending it. and i absolutely love it and do not want to miss it ever again. i would rather use htr than nano tbh. |
2.5 hours, yikes is the right word |
ohhh. so when you wanted “ no bullshit technical details” this wasn’t what you had in mind? lol |
satoshi wouldn't support 0-conf. read the white paper. |
lying? i said ytd: [ but i'm sure you invested in btc and eth in 2015 and have held until now. |
true cloud hardware is indeed more centralized. you can run a node on your own hardware no problem but it is just a little more tedious to assemble yourself. it is cheaper to do with your own hardware as well. |
oh i get it, you’re actually a troll. |
he was asking in bad faith. he wasn’t asking because he genuinely wanted to know. it’s painfully obvious. normally i wouldn’t give attitude but this dude was ass in the air, begging for it. and he got it. |
nano does that, except across a decentralized network so you dont have to trust anyone or any central company. when you have money ina bank and you send it to a friend on venmo, you've just sent a number across a database, whereas with nano when you send them the amount you've just sent them a real digital asset that only they can access, no 3rd party risk. it's a whole level up in quality and security as opposed to using venmo |
this is comment shows you don’t really understand the point of crypto. |
it is not on chain. with nano every tx is on chain, thus way more legit. |
there’s some wrapped nano on vite (more risky than usual defi) |
he did support 0conf. he stated so on bitcointalk. you should read his thoughts over the years archived from bitcointalk.org |
as if you did not choose ytd just so you can say nano is up more? despite it performing quite poorly vs eth or btc. and where is 2015 coming from? the chart clearly says 2019... |
nano sounds great on the surface but i now have more questions than i had before. i'll keep digging into it because i'm the curious non cultist type. i appreciate the info, you do not seem like a thisingenuous cult member. |
look at their recent post history and the way they have responded to other people including me. they are genuinely curious |
please elaborate on why p2p transactions are not legit? |
you asked for “no bullshit technical analysis” i gave you the side by side specs of bch and nano regarding speed and fees. was that not what you wanted? |
for a low risk snack machine where today fees would cost more than the purchase. the problem with probabilistic finality is you cannot trust the miners not to double spend so you have to manage your risk. |
was my curiosity as well that led me to the research. nano tipper is not active on this sub but i just pm'd you some nano. feel free to download natrium on your phone and withdraw it to play around with it. as a tip, you can create two separate natrium wallets and send the nano back and forth to see how quick it is with no fees. this is a pretty good overview of nano in more detail: [ and then if you'd like to dive even further, he interviews the creator of nano here: [ also - yeah the community can be a bit culty. unfortunately the nano foundation only took 5% of the supply at creation and has used that as the development fund. once the fund runs out to fund development, it will be community supported like btc is. there is no room in their budget for any sort of marketing - they are just hyper focused on improving the framework and usability, so community members feel the need to promote it over and over. good luck! |
and maybe he is, but he brought a specific attitude with me and he got it back. no harm, no foul. |
on chain is obviously the highest quality value transfer. using a l2 like lightening is vastly inferior |
> where today fees would cost more than the purchase. no. bch is bitcoin as it was designed to be. fees are sub pennies, as bitcoin was designed to function. you are projecting the design of btc on everyone and btc is not bitcoin(white paper). > the problem with probabilistic finality is you cannot trust the miners not to double spend so you have to manage your risk. yes you can, because you trust the greed of all the other miners. |
okay good luck with your investments |
you did, in this very thread. you asked for technical analysis and no bullshit, i gave it to you and now you’re pretending that didn’t happen lol even though it’s written here for everyone to see |
oh, i cannot keep up with which of the dozens of forks satoshi really supports. notably, forks cannot happen with nano because of absolute finality. >yes you can, because you trust the greed of all the other miners. then you cannot use 0-conf and around and around we go. 🤷 |
technicals = stating it is feeless and fast? please fuck off. jfc. |
so apparently you can’t read either so i’ll write it allll over again. nano average transaction time = 1 second bch average transaction time = 2.5 hours nano average fee=0 bch average fee= .28 cents can you fucking read? this is technical objective facts dum dum. do you get it now, can you comprehend numbers? |
> then you cannot use 0-conf and around and around we go. 🤷 why? |
he was asking for it, and this is wsb |
because you can either use 0-conf or trust the greed of other miners. you cannot do both. 0-conf = 0 confirmations from other miners. |
um, 0conf is trusting that miners will pick up the transaction. |
no, it is trusting the miners do not give you (from your perspective) a bad block and double spend. guess who is out the bitcoin? hint: it is not the miners. |
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nano is by far the most fetch of the cryptocurrencies |
you’re just giving more attention to nano haha. post your address and i’ll send you a little |
i do not understand, why do not people want nano to happen? i seriously cannot understand why people would have anything against nano, unless they think it threatens their investments or something. nano has the potential for anyone in the world to join the digital financial system without a bank, without paying fees, near-instantly, and super simple. download natrium and there you go. not sure why people are pro bitcoin and anti nano if nano objectively offers a lot of benefits and a solid value proposition. |
nice meme. nano is up 15% on the day. |
i'm guessing you forgot to buy when it hit the low ? |
i'm hoping my 19c of nano that i got from some reddit post for free finally nets me at least a 2021 maybach. |
it's pumping right now lol... |
ok got the message, buying more nano |
just spent my lunch money on 2 nanos |
well... i think the idea is to pull a gamestop on a coin or two. for what ever reason, nano was the first in the pipe. |
less cancerous than shitbu oono |
why you guys keep sending nano to people? never really put much thought to nano... why it will moon? |
crypto pump and dumpers self-identifying with the mean girl who learns a valuable lesson at the end of the movie. 🤔 |
as a fellow nano supporter this deserves an upvote |
i can’t talk about the real squeeze because of the 1b market cap restrictions:( |
nano just doesn’t hold up to other coins, like raiblocks |
can’t stop the bop |
i promise everybody pumping it a newbie🤣 |
why do not you pump something i have, like btc eth or ada or link. |
did someone say ada 😆 |
nano, the yahoo mail of crypto. |
yeah - can we just ban nano |
bag holders always flood the newer crypto subs about nano while denying anything of its problematic past. |
what goes up must come down... i hope this sh!t tanks and all the idiots lose their money. crypto does not need this amc!t. |
shib to the moon 🚀🚀🚀 |
well, well 😄if you want to make it - you can jump to [guardarian.com]( and buy🌪 |
evangelize me on nano |
can’t even long it |
it's wild. i got some dot. |
whats a good wallet for nano? |
agreed. vechain is what everyone should be going apeshit over. |
i see all the nano hype... how to join or get it? |
not with that attitude! |
it did pump 20% and the dump is in now in full effect. |
relax your tits! it is a meme |
can i pump this instead? |
why do people continue to hold inflationary coins? why do people continue to hold slow coins? why do people continue to hold coins that charge fees? why do people continue to hold high energy consuming coins? why do people continue to hold centralized coins? why do people continue to hold unfairly thistributed coins? why do people continue to hold unscaleable coins? why do people continue to hold nano? ...because it is none of those things. |
i came here for the free nano. |
what movie is that from? |
yeah i don’t get this obsession buy btc. lightning network does everything nano does lol edit: ngmi |
ckb is the real deal |
lol, nano boyz sending op nano to evangelize him. look at his wallet, he is just sending everything to kraken, probably yo sell for his favorite crypto. |
can i please have some? 🙃 |
can i jump on the bandwagon too |
it is an emotional response from bitcoin maxis. |
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