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don't forget the time we spent to for discussions about that room so be able to volarize this if possible | 323.24 | speaker2 | 314.76 | session_754399dd |
yeah i | 324.56 | speaker4 | 323.56 | session_754399dd |
you that we are not so we are not so large as far as space is concerned because fifteen people to put in their eighteen positions so to the best if you take a two people room for the reading room then you have well | 343.35 | speaker2 | 324.72 | session_754399dd |
sixteen sixteen | 344.63 | speaker4 | 343.36 | session_754399dd |
place | 345.03 | speaker2 | 344.64 | session_754399dd |
slots for fifteen people so it's still should be feasible that | 349.11 | speaker4 | 345.04 | session_754399dd |
also means that the growth will be zero | 351.26 | speaker2 | 349.12 | session_754399dd |
yeah i think that's quite important to manage some space maybe we can think of yeah some two three visiting visiting people | 360.4 | speaker4 | 352.4 | session_754399dd |
for exchange students et c | 362.8 | speaker2 | 360.88 | session_754399dd |
okay so let me finish with the constraints which are almost done so we also need to find a spot for the photocopier the fax machine and the printer the fax is very small but the photocier is quite huge and the printer is well this size okay the offices come with whiteideboards not very very important the furniture that each person has and you have a list of people | 393.4 | speaker4 | 363.88 | session_754399dd |
so | 395.4 | speaker2 | 394.8 | session_754399dd |
the thing you you ought to know is that we're not the only ones that that that are thinking about well about putting people in these rooms there is another group that is also having discussions so the idea is that today we'll just sort of start seeing the main constraints and then you have time to to go and think about it ask the people you know your assistants for instance and at the next meeting we'll try to to come with one solution the other group will also propose a solution and then there will be another negotiation and if we don't | 434.39 | speaker4 | 395.48 | session_754399dd |
get this space then what happens | 435.9 | speaker1 | 434.4 | session_754399dd |
if we don't get these yeah well basically they're promised to us so do you think there are chances that they take from us one of the rooms or okay yeah i think it's no | 454.11 | speaker4 | 437.92 | session_754399dd |
the chances might be that there are more people to put in that space | 457.08 | speaker2 | 454.12 | session_754399dd |
yeah yeah that's one of the problems i think maybe we should take this into account and maybe think of some of the bigger rooms with four people one being temporary or part time okay so maybe we could try to to see now what would be the main options say the general well arrangement options do you think that we should put people say according to projects for instance in the table that we have we also have the main projects on which the people are working | 495.01 | speaker4 | 457.12 | session_754399dd |
so | 496.11 | speaker2 | 495.72 | session_754399dd |
how | 496.71 | speaker4 | 496.12 | session_754399dd |
andre sorry if you're interrupting but one again clarification question what is the real margin of maneuver that we have for these discussions because at least we are half percent fifty percentage from epfl and sometimes you have meetings where the the decision is already taken so and you can spend quite a lot of time discussing things so what what will be the impact of what we will come out oh actually what is fixed | 524.68 | speaker2 | 496.72 | session_754399dd |
is the number of rooms this week cannot really change i mean at least not us it would be much more difficult to get another room for instance but what is absolutely not fixed is the arrangement of the people in the rooms so basically we are all the permutations are possible | 543.28 | speaker4 | 525 | session_754399dd |
one way of asking the question is there any other group already working on how this should be should be allocated or are we the one that is supposed to do the position for it well what | 556.23 | speaker2 | 543.8 | session_754399dd |
we are looking for is a solution that suits everyone and that makes the maximum of people happy so the other group is i don't think we have to see them as competitors but they' are just trying to to find another local optimum or | 569.8 | speaker4 | 556.24 | session_754399dd |
why don't they have any representative here | 571.82 | speaker2 | 570.24 | session_754399dd |
yeah why don't we have a meeting together | 573.99 | speaker1 | 572.6 | session_754399dd |
group and then andrea and anges will discuss about it with | 580.25 | speaker3 | 575.4 | session_754399dd |
you are | 581.27 | speaker4 | 581.04 | session_754399dd |
the representative of this group | 583.4 | speaker3 | 581.28 | session_754399dd |
yeah yeah i think that's yeah there is no real competition between the two but we'll just try to find at least two solutions and see how close they are actually it's i think well the people who decided this thought it was the best solution to well you know find two kinds of opinions yeah well we could have been eight sitting around here and talking but i think it's more difficult | 610.44 | speaker4 | 583.44 | session_754399dd |
yeah but you know that that's the standard thing it's suppose that somebody for some strange reasons want to be in the corner and we don't know about that we will put them put her or him somewhere else then we will do plenty of work for nothing because we'll not have this constraint we aware of this constraint | 627.77 | speaker2 | 610.68 | session_754399dd |
exactly i think so today the goal is not to find a solution today but set some constraints and then go and see the people and find out if they have any preferences obviously we won't be able to accommodate all the preferences but at least we'll find the the most important ones well certainly we have to ask pierret | 648.16 | speaker4 | 628.52 | session_754399dd |
and | 648.87 | speaker2 | 648.76 | session_754399dd |
maggie since they're not here because they also have a lot of students that they have to see as we do and so that's another consideration too | 655.73 | speaker1 | 648.88 | session_754399dd |
yeah i think so that's one of the things i think we know that they have students we don't know exactly if they prefer for instance to be alone or to well to be with their assistant or even with another person working on the project so that would have been maybe another solution is to ask everyone to provide an arrangement but i think that's a bit a bit hard then to work out so since all of you have a copy of well of the drawing i think for the next time maybe you could come with a concrete proposal with names on it but let us try to see today whether we prefer to organize people say by projects or just professor and assistant so what would be say first your preferences since let's start with us maybe today what do you think about it would you prefer to be alone would you prefer to be with your assistant you who are part time do you think you can come here on a very well regular schedule or is it part time but variable during the week | 725.25 | speaker4 | 656.52 | session_754399dd |
yeah okay me personally i would like to share people the room with assistants as when you have problems of normal life like the printer doesn't work i don't want to ask this to my supervisor so it's better to be with with an assistant to share the room | 743.38 | speaker3 | 727 | session_754399dd |
and since you're coming only half time do you think you will be able to group your presence here say monday tuesday and wednesday morning or is it going to be much more random i don't think it's a good | 757.35 | speaker4 | 745.8 | session_754399dd |
idea to share to share the same desk okay i still would like to have my drawers and these | 764.23 | speaker3 | 757.36 | session_754399dd |
things yeah i think so too so martin you are also half time and well the third person is gzella i think it's quite clear that each person should have their own desk agree no no way we could put two persons at the same desk | 783 | speaker4 | 764.24 | session_754399dd |
where part time is important is that it's a novelo load on a room so for sure if you have a part time person reduces the ranges of time where too many people in the room yeah i think far i am concerned i probably might be able to have a kind of a regul presence here | 801.53 | speaker2 | 783.92 | session_754399dd |
the thing | 804.43 | speaker4 | 804.08 | session_754399dd |
that in my case has to be taken into account is that i will have a lot of phone calls so ill be talking over the phone all the time so that's not necessarily well it depends on i have nothing against sharing an office with somebody i already did it before so and it was perfectly fine it just has to be somebody who can work while somebody else is having phone calls in the room which is very much dependent on people some people are not disturbed at all by this some people just can't work | 836.82 | speaker2 | 804.44 | session_754399dd |
are you disturbed by the phone calls of other people | 840.67 | speaker4 | 838 | session_754399dd |
i'm not | 841.08 | speaker2 | 840.68 | session_754399dd |
okay but | 842.4 | speaker4 | 841.4 | session_754399dd |
and what might happen but it it will not be so heavy here at isco is visitors so that i will have more at epfl typically students coming in or asking for things as i'm not teaching here i'm teaching at epfl this should shouldn't be such a big load so for me it will be essentially i will not be i will not be able to be silent in the room because i will be communicating also through vocal means | 871.8 | speaker2 | 842.76 | session_754399dd |
before | 874.16 | speaker4 | 873.56 | session_754399dd |
talking more about individual preferences is there any possibility what they have done in the faculty of law for example that they actually split rooms and so we would take one of the two people rooms and split it and you would see that you would have the same size office but that would give the privacy insofar as in just about every other faculty in the building every professor has their own office and it's really goes a bit far that we have to have this all this sharing so one option and that but that we would need to ask about if we could split one of the rooms | 909.9 | speaker1 | 874.4 | session_754399dd |
you ro for boxes for instance in the in the bigger rooms where yeah cubicles yeah | 916.58 | speaker2 | 910.52 | session_754399dd |
that doesn't really solve it i mean there's there's really a difference to have your own yeah sometimes you have you need to have private discussions with somebody or whatever so | 928.99 | speaker1 | 917.44 | session_754399dd |
yeah | 930.39 | speaker2 | 929.92 | session_754399dd |
i will try to find out whether we can separate i think for the moment the answer at least is no because it's not only well making a wall but also making a new door so it's quite a lot of work but i will try to find this out for the next time so at least for the moment as you can see there are i can show them here on the screen so there are these two rooms on the left that accommodate one person so at least some of the professors since here are four could could go well take these these rooms | 964.72 | speaker4 | 930.4 | session_754399dd |
and | 965.91 | speaker1 | 965.6 | session_754399dd |
quite a lot of rooms with two persons how do you feel susan about the professor sharing the room with her assistants or the one which is the most involved in the teaching well i think | 976.87 | speaker4 | 965.92 | session_754399dd |
it's really a matter of personal preference as you know i prefer to have my own office i also have a lot of phone calls and you know have to see people and with the other work that i'm doing with the rectorate that is really confidential information that i'm treating so i that i have to be really careful about too but it's a personal preference inso far as what we've had up until now both maggie and pierret have been happy to share with others so i mean i think we should still check with them i fully agree with | 1,007.27 | speaker1 | 976.88 | session_754399dd |
that that' it's much easier to me to foresee having two people of the same position sharing a room not sharing with each other they sharing with students because but thats it's tricky because of confidentiality reasons as you said you are discussing a budget on the project you over the phone typically you don't necessarily want to have somebody who will be dependent on that budget being part of the discussion so | 1,035.14 | speaker2 | 1,007.28 | session_754399dd |
yeah | 1,038.08 | speaker1 | 1,037.48 | session_754399dd |
that's true okay maybe we could look a bit at the projects do you think it's a good idea to put together in the same room as much as possible people from the same projects since they talk quite a lot of | 1,052.32 | speaker4 | 1,038.76 | session_754399dd |
project doesn't last in time they will change that's the only thing that will not that will change only progressively in time is the status of the people | 1,061.43 | speaker2 | 1,052.6 | session_754399dd |
well yeah and some of the phd students will hopefully they will finish their phd at some point | 1,068.72 | speaker4 | 1,063.32 | session_754399dd |
but still something yeah | 1,072.27 | speaker2 | 1,068.8 | session_754399dd |
and | 1,072.51 | speaker4 | 1,072.28 | session_754399dd |
also some of our the people mentioned here are working on more than one project too so for example mariana the fin she's also working with me on the virtual campus project so she that one wasn't mentioned i'm not saying you necessarily want to be with her in the office but it's just to say people are working on sometimes more than one project | 1,093.44 | speaker1 | 1,072.52 | session_754399dd |
if projects are what you have in mind i think that the meeting room is the tool for that if you need to have people in a project talking together they just have a meeting room if it's not too far away then it's a very good well actually so | 1,106.35 | speaker2 | 1,094.4 | session_754399dd |
the lounge could serve as some kind of meeting room but there are also more formal meeting rooms available in the building yes | 1,113.84 | speaker4 | 1,106.36 | session_754399dd |
why i was quite receptive to susan's remark at the beginning is i wouldn't formulate it in such an extreme way as do we really need a lounge but i would probably formulate it in a way that do we want to have only a lounge or something that can be used only as a reading room because meeting rooms to me are very important tools to do collaborative work | 1,138.48 | speaker2 | 1,114.24 | session_754399dd |
but | 1,139.34 | speaker4 | 1,139.2 | session_754399dd |
on the other | 1,139.83 | speaker2 | 1,139.36 | session_754399dd |
i think we need to have to relax so yeah and i think also we need a separate discussion on the furnishing of the lounge which is other topic | 1,148.92 | speaker4 | 1,139.84 | session_754399dd |
no the | 1,151.03 | speaker2 | 1,149.8 | session_754399dd |
lounge okay but i think we need to also see it as a overflow place when we have visitors for any length of time so they actually have a place to work | 1,159.67 | speaker1 | 1,151.04 | session_754399dd |
because that's really my one of my worries with the plan that we have here is that it provides no possible possibilities of expansion and this will happen i mean you can't prevent having visitors and you shouldn't | 1,173.64 | speaker2 | 1,159.68 | session_754399dd |
yeah the moment actually i think only one slot would be fully free that is for fifteen | 1,180.35 | speaker4 | 1,174.76 | session_754399dd |
people it's not enough | 1,181.59 | speaker2 | 1,180.36 | session_754399dd |
yeah that means one visitor at a time or one intern yeah you have | 1,185.87 | speaker4 | 1,181.6 | session_754399dd |
four professors here it's | 1,188.47 | speaker2 | 1,185.88 | session_754399dd |
funny that we building because we run out of a space and we will have the same problem | 1,193.27 | speaker3 | 1,188.48 | session_754399dd |
yes but we have more space here than what we currently have | 1,197.43 | speaker1 | 1,194.4 | session_754399dd |
yeah it's already a progress and you you're working i think yeah okay so one of the things i have to do for the next time is find out about the separations between rooms | 1,208.88 | speaker4 | 1,197.44 | session_754399dd |
because this is really related with security regulation as well i mean you can't just put walls in rooms yeah | 1,214.79 | speaker2 | 1,209.04 | session_754399dd |
i think it's quite a heavy transformation of the building not necessarily | 1,217.87 | speaker4 | 1,214.8 | session_754399dd |
heavy in terms of work it's heavy in terms of administrative authorization | 1,221.96 | speaker2 | 1,217.88 | session_754399dd |
and i'll to find out and the other question is can we squeeze maybe four people in the or at least four places in the three three p room | 1,234.31 | speaker4 | 1,223.12 | session_754399dd |
i think so if you organize the desks in in a intelligent way | 1,239.11 | speaker2 | 1,234.32 | session_754399dd |
yeah hopefully visitors don't need as much say filing space or that's good point yeah they don't have that many papers okay so that's i have to ask so you don't really feel very strongly attached to this grouping by project idea no | 1,257.68 | speaker4 | 1,239.76 | session_754399dd |
no | 1,259.15 | speaker2 | 1,258.84 | session_754399dd |
because they can share their ideas across the project and | 1,262.2 | speaker1 | 1,259.16 | session_754399dd |
coffee machines madeid for that | 1,264.06 | speaker2 | 1,262.32 | session_754399dd |
when | 1,266.63 | speaker4 | 1,266.28 | session_754399dd |
new assistants come they would like to share the room with someone that knows it's related with the project so | 1,274.1 | speaker3 | 1,266.64 | session_754399dd |
that's proximity doesn't play a big role there can discuss with people the space is very small i mean altogeth | 1,282.48 | speaker2 | 1,275.64 | session_754399dd |
and | 1,284.83 | speaker4 | 1,284.48 | session_754399dd |
you don't you don't need to discuss about the projects you more need about to discuss about where is the printer how do i get furniture i don't have a pencil where is the the box with the pencils and so on this is not project related | 1,299.14 | speaker2 | 1,284.84 | session_754399dd |
no | 1,302.31 | speaker4 | 1,302.08 | session_754399dd |
if you look now at the current division of the offices for example bruno and agnes are sharing an office and they're working on totally different projects then they're just fine with it | 1,313.1 | speaker1 | 1,302.32 | session_754399dd |
yeah | 1,314.63 | speaker4 | 1,314.4 | session_754399dd |
i think | 1,315.4 | speaker2 | 1,314.64 | session_754399dd |
that's going to be one of the main things we'll have to ask is whether people have strong preferences either in staying with someone or in not staying are you aware of any strong constraints right now well there there were but | 1,331.39 | speaker4 | 1,315.6 | session_754399dd |
they sort of disappeared as of october when you know smoking came in because before we were being smokers and now that there's no smoking i guess that's not a very important option though | 1,342.09 | speaker1 | 1,331.4 | session_754399dd |
okay yeah that's true so smoking is now no longer a constraint well except | 1,347.87 | speaker4 | 1,342.52 | session_754399dd |
for that maybe you don't even want anybody smoking on your balcony so | 1,350.8 | speaker1 | 1,347.88 | session_754399dd |
is it | 1,352.95 | speaker4 | 1,352.72 | session_754399dd |
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