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null | Metaluim | null | They used to teach that at my college some years before I entered. | null | 0 | 1491905281 | False | 0 | dg42xrd | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg40esj | null | 1493974678 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | biopsy_results | null | Might of done | null | 0 | 1491905332 | False | 0 | dg42ydj | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41np8 | null | 1493974686 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | erandur | null | > Qt needs more exposure, though.
Qt was pretty much the de facto standard not too long ago. Pretty sure all of the Adobe products use it, or at least used to. | null | 0 | 1491905350 | False | 0 | dg42ykh | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41sih | null | 1493974689 | 38 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | kylotan | null | It's not just processing power. Consider how many passwords have been stolen because it's much easier to set up a web application and server than to actually secure one properly. The benefits of the advances mostly accrue to those who best exploit them, and some trickle down to the rest. | null | 0 | 1491905500 | False | 0 | dg430ba | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40pwj | null | 1493974712 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | skocznymroczny | null | While I love JavaFX, it can be a bit clumsy to use sometimes (getters and setters are verbose enough in Java, now add property getters and setters to that). Also there aren't many resources on how to structure JavaFX applications. I am struggling right now with how to move beyond a window with few controls into a real ... | null | 0 | 1491905551 | False | 0 | dg430x5 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zcv6 | null | 1493974720 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | combinatorylogic | null | Engineers cannot be productive for more than 4 hours a day. Like it or not. It is a fact. Do not fool yourself into thinking that you do anything valuable in all those extra hours. | null | 0 | 1491905565 | False | 0 | dg4312m | t3_64jd9r | null | null | t1_dg2qa2p | null | 1493974722 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | The_frozen_one | null | I started with C, wrote it exclusively for years. I still love occasionally writing C. How the hell is C going to help me create a cross platform app like Electron does? Seriously, is the important lesson here that we should all learn pointers and how to handle "strings" / character arrays safely? | null | 0 | 1491905576 | False | 0 | dg4317c | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41pgd | null | 1493974724 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vetinari | null | So basically you are saying that it looks good on circa [~23% of Linux desktops](https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunStatistics) and on the majority platform, that has 90%+ users.
Why use cross-platform framework then? Just use the native widgets, you will get 90%+ market anyway.
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null | zip117 | null | I have never heard of that shortcut before, but you can always subclass QScrollBar and use an event filter for mouse events. Sure there are some small differences between Qt and native - MDI in Qt is one area that could use improvement - but for the most part Qt does a pretty damn good job. Would you rather be using MF... | null | 0 | 1491905653 | False | 0 | dg4322g | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg401bx | null | 1493974735 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | changingminds | null | The problem is this whole trend of web technologies nosing in everywhere.
But let's keep writing modern apps using a language meant to transport research articles in the 90s because noobs have taken over stack overflow and forced javascript down everyone's throat. | null | 0 | 1491905701 | False | 0 | dg432mq | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974743 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 1 | 1491905780 | False | 0 | dg433iv | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40tud | null | 1493974755 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | changingminds | null | >implying electron isn't shit | null | 0 | 1491905788 | False | 0 | dg433n4 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3xuf4 | null | 1493974757 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | FINDarkside | null | Might be better than the alternatives, but it's still pretty bad compared to WPF for example. | null | 0 | 1491905798 | False | 0 | dg433s3 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3yv26 | null | 1493974758 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Disgruntled__Goat | null | > Users: Please complain more about slow programs. Its 2016. We carry supercomputers in our pockets. Its simply not ok for apps to be sluggish.
Yeah I really don't get this. I ran IDEs on my old Windows XP computer 12+ years ago, yet they are still sluggish on modern hardware. | null | 0 | 1491905830 | False | 0 | dg4344r | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974763 | 116 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | yawkat | null | Maybe "no ecosystem" is a bit exaggerated but adoption could be better (people don't use java as much for GUIs anymore, though luckily the few that still are are moving to jfx) and it's still lagging far behind swing in terms of library support. | null | 0 | 1491905841 | False | 0 | dg4349f | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42614 | null | 1493974765 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CaptainBland | null | Writing reasonably visually pleasing applications for multiple platforms is going to come with tradeoffs until somebody comes up with something better. A big part of the problem is that the 'lowest common denominator' set of UI components that GTK supports, for instance, don't exactly look great for your standard appli... | null | 0 | 1491905842 | False | 0 | dg434ac | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974765 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Otis_Inf | null | > Qt still doesn't support shift+middle click on a scrollbar under Windows to jump there (equivalent to plain middle click in X11).
Shift-left click you mean? FF and other tools jump to the position I clicked when I do shift-left-click on windows. | null | 0 | 1491905918 | False | 0 | dg43571 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg401bx | null | 1493974777 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wordsoup | null | Another case of "know your market, requirements and tools". It's true what he writes but nevertheless you can't say generally that Electron sucks for everything all the time. These general quantitative abstractions are difficult to apply to real scenarios.
I have experience with ASM, C, C++, Python, Java and GUI devel... | null | 0 | 1491905942 | False | 0 | dg435hl | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974781 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Cuddlefluff_Grim | null | > More CPU? Fatter IDEs where you just whick into existence your conditional statements and loops and procedure definitions
IDE's affect developers, and they are extremely helpful.
What bothers me is that so many developers are willing to trade-off end-users resources for their own comfort. It's a really bad devel... | null | 0 | 1491905952 | False | 0 | dg435lj | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40pwj | null | 1493974783 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | erandur | null | Seems like the author ran into the same as I did with Atom. Piece of shit just started using 100% CPU while idle, for no apparent reason. | null | 0 | 1491905985 | False | 0 | dg43608 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3ztnq | null | 1493974788 | 38 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | angelsl | null | Or italicise it. | null | 0 | 1491906019 | False | 0 | dg436d1 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42oxo | null | 1493974793 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | SchroedingersHat | null | Atom does, spotify does, curse does, I abandoned slack as soon as I could, but I think it did. | null | 0 | 1491906028 | False | 0 | dg436hd | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4210g | null | 1493974794 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491906036 | False | 0 | dg436km | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3xvic | null | 1493974796 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | cullend | null | Are you actually paid to be a software developer? | null | 0 | 1491906066 | False | 0 | dg436xm | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42i14 | null | 1493974800 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | oxysoft | null | Shit I was thinking exactly the same thing just a few days ago. Could we swap webkit to Servo in Electron whenever it's advanced enough? | null | 0 | 1491906076 | False | 0 | dg43723 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg409r2 | null | 1493974802 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Fs0i | null | Except HTML/CSS which has matured a lot. If there only was a way to use it on the desktop... | null | 0 | 1491906079 | False | 0 | dg43737 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3z6lw | null | 1493974802 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | EricGrahamMacEachern | null | A developer's time is worth more than RAM and drive space. | null | 1 | 1491906111 | False | 0 | dg437hq | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974807 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Apofis | null | WPF is not cross platform, which is what OP has put it out. But anyway, what does WPF better than JavaFX? | null | 0 | 1491906112 | False | 0 | dg437ij | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg433s3 | null | 1493974808 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ShinyHappyREM | null | > Notepad++
And Notepad2mod for even faster startup times. | null | 0 | 1491906226 | False | 0 | dg438vp | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41rsm | null | 1493974826 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [removed] | null | 0 | 1491906238 | False | 0 | dg4390y | t3_64pzxi | null | null | t3_64pzxi | null | 1493974828 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | KillerBerry42 | null | So you're saying that macros must not be AND that they're not complex enough already? What do you mean by "memory management is a joke"? Seems pretty decent to me (and no a gc is not an alternative) | null | 0 | 1491906291 | False | 0 | dg439o8 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zlw0 | null | 1493974837 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sammayylmao | null | This. I have shelves of thousand page binders of documentation printed in 1997. | null | 0 | 1491906324 | False | 0 | dg43a38 | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg3wauj | null | 1493974843 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | hyperperforator | null | I'm confused. This guy is complaining that a complex web app that works cross-platform and uses a few hundred megabytes of his RAM is bad? Jesus. | null | 0 | 1491906365 | False | 0 | dg43al9 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974850 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stgeorge78 | null | Ultimately the argument comes down to "I need X millions of dollars to merely replace what you already have with no guarantee I'll get it right" - so why would a businessman replace what already works with something that... might work? Unless you can show that your change will lead to a massive revenue growth (and the ... | null | 0 | 1491906400 | False | 0 | dg43b17 | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg37oh0 | null | 1493974855 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ----_____--------- | null | > 3GB
Oh I wish. I wouldn't care nearly as much if I had 3 gigs free for caching.
But I usually barely have anything left of my 8 gigs of ram and I don't even run vms usually, or have tons of tabs open. But when I look at memory usage, it's chrome with slack at the top, every time.
Before you tell me to buy a lapt... | null | 0 | 1491906404 | False | 0 | dg43b37 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg433iv | null | 1493974856 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | > If you go electron you are not going to "outclass" native app performance.
Interesting you should say that.
For almost all tasks it performs, I find VSCode to be orders of magnitude faster than Visual Studio "Proper" (which is native) on any sizeable codebase. These days I *dread* using Visual Studio because it... | null | 1 | 1491906413 | False | 0 | dg43b7j | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40sik | null | 1493974858 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | The_yulaow | null | ((honestly c++ really really really need a good universal package manager. C and C++ are probably the only modern widely used languages without it)) | null | 0 | 1491906423 | False | 0 | dg43bbr | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg424so | null | 1493974859 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ShinyHappyREM | null | It's "loaded" into *virtual memory*, which means it occupies some of the process' address space, but the [pages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_(computer_memory\)) are loaded from disk on demand. | null | 0 | 1491906488 | 1491988960 | 0 | dg43c4j | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4139g | null | 1493974870 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | steamruler | null | I was joking, because saying that you can use a language with something is kinda ridiculous. You can usually just use a binding for your language.
Also, buffer overflows, use-after-frees and stack-smashing is more a C thing. Modern C++ is different.
* Using iterators and classes instead of C-style arrays mostly solve... | null | 0 | 1491906504 | False | 0 | dg43cc0 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42tib | null | 1493974872 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491906521 | False | 0 | dg43cja | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40pwj | null | 1493974875 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dooofy | null | Not 100% related but I just thought it was so [funny](https://youtu.be/QupWTVD1ABc?t=16m4s). | null | 0 | 1491906545 | False | 0 | dg43cuw | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974880 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vetinari | null | JavaFX itself should be better. I tried to follow a tutorial (Getting Started with JavaFX), which included sketelon generated by NetBeans.
It didn't even build. Yup, the tutorial didn't work as documented.
That was the prompt end of me trying JavaFX. I don't intend to waste my time deciphering huge stacktraces and s... | null | 0 | 1491906572 | False | 0 | dg43d6x | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4349f | null | 1493974884 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | aqibg | null | All cross platform apps based on chromium are memory hogs. The best way is to use react native for desktop. | null | 0 | 1491906582 | False | 0 | dg43dbm | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974886 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | KillerBerry42 | null | You know you can create objects on the stack? No need to use operator new, if it goes out of scope the object gets cleaned up using its destructor ond the memory is freed. Seems pretty automatic to me and the cases where you really need manual memory managment are not as common as one might think | null | 0 | 1491906584 | False | 0 | dg43dcy | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3z3h0 | null | 1493974887 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | antrn11 | null | Parser combinators seem to be a very nice way to create parsers. | null | 0 | 1491906589 | False | 0 | dg43df4 | t3_64p5rs | null | null | t3_64p5rs | null | 1493974887 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HurtlesIntoTurtles | null | - [QML with Qt Quick Controls](https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquickcontrols-overview.html) is Javascript with a few extensions
- There are decent Python bindings, [PySide 2 is supported by the Qt Company](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pyside-dev/pqwzngAGLWE) (not as mature as PyQt 5 though)
- I have seen WIP bindin... | null | 0 | 1491906605 | False | 0 | dg43dm0 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zuiq | null | 1493974890 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | doublehyphen | null | It would of course be best enjoyed in its original form, the book. | null | 0 | 1491906659 | False | 0 | dg43ebj | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg418wo | null | 1493974900 | 17 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sammayylmao | null | This is my biggest fear. However, I love programming. I work on projects on the side for my own benefit, and to learn. Currently I am teaching myself Go. I also plan on finding some FOSS project to donate some spare time to, to stay sharp. | null | 0 | 1491906685 | False | 0 | dg43eoj | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg40ut7 | null | 1493974904 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | Is there anyway to donate to you, you wonderful, wonderful /u/could-of-bot? | null | 0 | 1491906690 | False | 0 | dg43eqn | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3xvic | null | 1493974904 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | doom_Oo7 | null | > Perfect, cheap, fast. Choose any two.
IMHO it's not that binary.
But some frameworks offer 70% "perfect", 100% "cheap", 20% "fast" and some other will be 80% "perfect", 100% "cheap", 40% "fast" | null | 0 | 1491906702 | False | 0 | dg43ewf | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41z3z | null | 1493974906 | 45 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | McNerdius | null | reminds me of http://www.geocities.jp/nchikada/pac/ | null | 0 | 1491906709 | False | 0 | dg43ez5 | t3_64htzp | null | null | t1_dg2nux7 | null | 1493974908 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | doom_Oo7 | null | It's not like the only alternative to electron and CEF is assembly language. There are plenty high level, cross platform, and fast gui toolkits. | null | 0 | 1491906744 | False | 0 | dg43ffu | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg410oc | null | 1493974914 | 53 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stgeorge78 | null | "Here's your parking space, sir"
*SLAPS IMPUDENT CUR* "Parking TAB and don't ever forget it" | null | 0 | 1491906747 | False | 0 | dg43fgz | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg2txv9 | null | 1493974915 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vkgfx | null | Haha, yep, and people should read The Mythical Man Month's section on source code distribution to see what old school "revision control" looked like. Absolutely terrifying by today's standards. | null | 0 | 1491906823 | False | 0 | dg43gfc | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg43a38 | null | 1493974927 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | vetinari | null | > People do use gtk-rs, but there are no tutorials and documentation is copy-paste from gtk. They have in plan to rewrite documentation for Rust, but I'm not sure if it's happening.
AFAIK, the plan is to allow to write Gtk/Gnome libs in Rust and to be consumable by different bindings. That is much larger objective,... | null | 0 | 1491906869 | False | 0 | dg43h18 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3z47b | null | 1493974935 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | doom_Oo7 | null | > a ton of work
so hard :) https://wiki.qt.io/Qml_Styling | null | 0 | 1491906886 | False | 0 | dg43h9p | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3ya6r | null | 1493974938 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | > You're developing for people who will use your product on a computer. Not through a browser on their computer.
You say that as if anyone's ever going to notice the difference. | null | 0 | 1491906985 | False | 0 | dg43ikj | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41caz | null | 1493974956 | 18 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | KillerBerry42 | null | At what point did anyone want an advanced text editor online in a web browser? | null | 0 | 1491907023 | False | 0 | dg43j3i | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zoak | null | 1493974963 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flying-sheep | null | All the components needed to optionally be a browser. Tabbing, plugins, a GUI toolkit (at least for chrome), multiple storage APIs, audio and video, …
Not all of this should have runtime impact, but certainly most of those things have memory impact. | null | 0 | 1491907056 | False | 0 | dg43jjb | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zl63 | null | 1493974969 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | TexanPenguin | null | I'm a UX designer, so perhaps I'm a bit of a special case, but I believe cross platform UI kits are always going to suck in some respects because the UX for each platform is a lot more different than most developers acknowledge. As a Mac user for the past 25 years, it's especially noticeable because people who write cr... | null | 0 | 1491907148 | False | 0 | dg43kr9 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493974985 | 68 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | IllegalThings | null | You also don't need to regularly update electron in order for your apps to work. It's self-contained. | null | 0 | 1491907185 | False | 0 | dg43l8a | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3wuhy | null | 1493974992 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Crandom | null | You need to multiply your figures by 2.
Source: dev in London. | null | 0 | 1491907191 | False | 0 | dg43lau | t3_64idzl | null | null | t1_dg3d8k9 | null | 1493974992 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | > With Qt, I can write the whole thing in C++ (with its crazy powerful type system) and use any C/C++ libraries I want (to do basically anything).
With VSCode instead they used TypeScript with a even more powerful TypeSystem and none of the memory-safety issues.
Guess which product is most stable on my machine: VS... | null | 0 | 1491907208 | False | 0 | dg43lj4 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg424so | null | 1493974995 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flying-sheep | null | Which is bullshit. It's totally sufficient if things are at the same, familiar places, and the dark theme variant is used where available (by now that includes gnome, Windows 10, and OS X).
Nobody will be confused if the buttons are natively styled. But many will be annoyed if they aren't | null | 0 | 1491907291 | False | 0 | dg43mm2 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4018c | null | 1493975009 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | josefx | null | > there is GTK+ (C)
Ah, the Framework that is so bad that it had one of Linus pet projects [run of to C++ and Qt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0A1dsQOV0). | null | 0 | 1491907386 | False | 0 | dg43nwe | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40bcb | null | 1493975027 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | heap42 | null | There is only so much you can learn in a given amount of time. In case we are talking about university, than most programs have elective courses anyways. I think that about as much as we can do. | null | 0 | 1491907408 | False | 0 | dg43o8d | t3_64pa1v | null | null | t3_64pa1v | null | 1493975031 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | > Compare VSCode with Sublime and you'll notice a performance difference
And you'll notice VSCode being open-source, having frequent releases and having far better integration/tooling for almost any language it can edit.
If Sublime vs VSCode was the choice I was given, I would take everything great about VSCode ov... | null | 0 | 1491907430 | False | 0 | dg43oij | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zkor | null | 1493975035 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lion_rouge | null | Qt (w/QML) ? | null | 0 | 1491907450 | False | 0 | dg43os7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42rj6 | null | 1493975039 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eclectro | null | I'm thinking that's not even the right cliche'. Parent made the keen observation
>you spend an inordinate amount of time fighting against the tools.
This struck a nerve with me conceptually. It's a "lock-in" because of the tools. Not having the right tools on the get-go can hamper you long term. Perhaps selecting ... | null | 0 | 1491907467 | False | 0 | dg43p0g | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43ewf | null | 1493975042 | 29 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | danielkza | null | That is a limitation that only exists in Windows. It's pretty easy to install and use a shared JVM in any Unix with a package manager and even OS X. | null | 0 | 1491907475 | 1491918045 | 0 | dg43p47 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg408pz | null | 1493975043 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ReturningTarzan | null | And even when they are performance critical, in almost all cases you can isolate the critical parts, implement them in C/C++, optimize and test the shit out of those implementations, wrap them up in nice little modules and then write the other 99.9% of the app in a more suitable language. | null | 0 | 1491907515 | False | 0 | dg43pma | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40cnu | null | 1493975049 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Forbizzle | null | HTML is comfortable, but a similar more strict markup might be better. I honestly haven't looked into it in over 10 years, but there used to be a few. | null | 0 | 1491907531 | False | 0 | dg43pv4 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg402le | null | 1493975053 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pixl_graphix | null | > Not a single browser reuses anything that is given on operating systems
Well, it's not like the OS provider can be trusted.
*We have altered the API, pray we do not alter it further* | null | 0 | 1491907652 | False | 0 | dg43rih | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg409r2 | null | 1493975075 | 47 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pas__ | null | Servo is a very big experiment, and currently it's very much closer to a library of components than a real browser engine. It needs more eyeballs and more people tinkering with it.
So, it needs more people trying to fix the build problem too. Then it needs platform experts (for Windows mostly). | null | 0 | 1491907665 | 1492000479 | 0 | dg43rpa | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43kqq | null | 1493975077 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pas__ | null | And somehow I open Atom all the time and not Eclipse. Maybe JavaScript is the new Java! | null | 0 | 1491907719 | False | 0 | dg43sex | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42aux | null | 1493975087 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pas__ | null | you can use Slack via IRC, right? | null | 0 | 1491907737 | False | 0 | dg43sny | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40foj | null | 1493975090 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flying-sheep | null | Sadly you need to do some rather complex things if you e.g. want yosemite translucency in Qt, but generally Qt will do the trick for many kinds of applications. Granted, if you have a very complex layout, the idiomatic way might be too different between the individual platforms | null | 0 | 1491907816 | False | 0 | dg43tq5 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40ena | null | 1493975106 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fulmicoton | null | But considering compiler are very far from doing that kind of optimisation, I am glad some ppl still craft these strange algorithms | null | 0 | 1491907830 | False | 0 | dg43twi | t3_64lyd7 | null | null | t1_dg3h2pt | null | 1493975107 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | trezor2 | null | > Can we please compare apples with apples?
The problem is that they're all apples, although different kinds of apples.
Now in terms of features there's no doubt you have Visual Studio "proper" > VSCode > Sublime, with Visual Studio "proper" quite far off from the rest. But just because it has all those extr... | null | 1 | 1491907974 | False | 0 | dg43vvx | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43pq5 | null | 1493975134 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pyryara | null | Huh. Doesn't work in Firefox on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, at least. | null | 0 | 1491907981 | False | 0 | dg43vz7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40cbi | null | 1493975135 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | soundslogical | null | But HTML is a horrible way to lay out a UI! People like it because it's familiar, but it was built for describing documents, not UIs. I write apps using [JUCE](https://www.juce.com) and I like using proper programmatic expressions in my layout code. Plus it has an implementation of FlexBox for doing more declarative la... | null | 0 | 1491908003 | False | 0 | dg43wa9 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg402le | null | 1493975140 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bart2019 | null | >Sure! You say. Disk size is cheap you say
Not on a smartphone. Often, 16GB (or even 8GB) of "disk" space, is *all you have*. For *everything*. Are you going to spend 160MB of that on a chat app? Likely: no.
IMHO, this limited "disk" space is the main reason why [people don't install many apps](https://qz.com/266... | null | 0 | 1491908051 | False | 0 | dg43wzy | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493975148 | 47 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | _rb | null | You could use Python with PyQt. It's heaven compared to C++ with Qt for small apps. | null | 0 | 1491908053 | False | 0 | dg43x1c | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg420di | null | 1493975149 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flying-sheep | null | It's „Qt“ and you're wrong.
Qt has many helps and good defaults to do things the right way. E.g. the button order on dialogs is platform-specific. | null | 0 | 1491908107 | False | 0 | dg43xso | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41l45 | null | 1493975159 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pas__ | null | Qt is just fucked up shit total fuckyou fuck everything killme NOW rage.
Every time a new major-ish version comes out and I have the poor luck to decide to try it, I get burned. It's somehow never obvious what to download. The docs is somehow never relevant or up to date, the features I happen to try are always buggy.... | null | 1 | 1491908115 | False | 0 | dg43xx6 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41sih | null | 1493975161 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | soundslogical | null | Sure, but it's not like Slack, Spotify or Chrome look particularly native either. | null | 0 | 1491908122 | False | 0 | dg43y1e | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41l45 | null | 1493975163 | 22 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pixl_graphix | null | > Windows has been almost constantly at 100% disk
Too many developers only use insanely fast SSDs where random writes are essentially free. Then you drop down to a crappy laptop with a 5400 RPM drive and you only have 100 IOPS and that app that is dropping out one or two bit changes every few seconds and not doing ... | null | 0 | 1491908149 | False | 0 | dg43ydx | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg423gi | null | 1493975167 | 58 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | lebogglez | null | There are three Python bindings, two of which are under LGPL, and you pick the unofficial one under GPL to make an argument. Sigh. | null | 0 | 1491908256 | False | 0 | dg43ztr | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg403ol | null | 1493975187 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Poromenos | null | Yep. | null | 0 | 1491908265 | False | 0 | dg43zyy | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg436d1 | null | 1493975189 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | mrfrobozz | null | XHTML might be slightly better. One of the reasons that html parsers are so huge is that it's a forgiving mark up and there parsers have to allow for tons of mistakes. Xhtml is very strict and would allow the parser to most of the error correction code.
I'm not sure if there are any pure xhtml engines out there thoug... | null | 0 | 1491908298 | False | 0 | dg440e3 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43pv4 | null | 1493975194 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | lion_rouge | null | Also it crashes pretty often (yeah, i use plugins - the most popular plugins for Go, Python and HTML - plugins are the main point of Atom, aren't they?). | null | 0 | 1491908301 | False | 0 | dg440fl | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43608 | null | 1493975195 | 19 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pinguinsan | null | Qt Quick 2 (QML + JS). | null | 0 | 1491908374 | False | 0 | dg441f6 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42rj6 | null | 1493975207 | 47 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Pinguinsan | null | Try out Qt Quick 2 (QML + JS). | null | 0 | 1491908395 | False | 0 | dg441pk | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg402le | null | 1493975211 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | pier25 | null | As a former Flash dev you are 100% right, but I do miss AS3 every day I write Javascript. | null | 0 | 1491908443 | False | 0 | dg442c1 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg41qo5 | null | 1493975220 | 33 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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