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null | atomic1fire | null | I wonder if it would be possible to just let people build in html+css+js but transpile it to native code.
e.g Let someone build their UI and functions as if it were a webpage, but have the compiler do the closest possible replica of that UI using a native toolkit, then creating an executable without all the browser cr... | null | 0 | 1491948215 | 1491948421 | 0 | dg504xa | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg42rj6 | null | 1493990725 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | > as long as it works and isn't noticeably slow to the end user, they want it out the door so they can keep making money.
the reason why we're here with this super popular thread is because this shit is slow to the end user..noticeably.. | null | 0 | 1491948311 | False | 0 | dg507p5 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4g05l | null | 1493990762 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | NOT EVEN | null | 0 | 1491948530 | False | 0 | dg50dy8 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4yr8b | null | 1493990845 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | that_90s_guy | null | > To me, Slack is just IRC with a fancy GUI.
You aren't using it to it's full potential then. We use Slack at work integrated with lots of extensions that allows us to seamlessly integrate it into things like our build process (Jenkins), Jira for task management, Google Calendar for reminders, and even Github to no... | null | 0 | 1491948653 | False | 0 | dg50hdj | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4xy6n | null | 1493990891 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Ph0X | null | Detect browser, if it's Chrome, give them the same as the app, else, use the old shitty one. | null | 0 | 1491948740 | False | 0 | dg50jtx | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4skwq | null | 1493990925 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | weirdoaish | null | As a programmer, I hate this too! | null | 0 | 1491948786 | False | 0 | dg50l37 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg451hi | null | 1493990942 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | miminor | null | another failure of the Turing test: http://imgur.com/a/v9qnJ | null | 0 | 1491948793 | False | 0 | dg50laj | t3_64sasm | null | null | t3_64sasm | null | 1493990944 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | choikwa | null | I mean you can't fault ugly children for having ugly parent. That's just mean. | null | 0 | 1491948835 | False | 0 | dg50mee | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4zx8p | null | 1493990960 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | iEzhik | null | It's also dependent on *what* you do with Electron. Something like Slack or Discord is cool with Electron - just need to make an effort to not suck.
But then I go and read about the latest system tray widget on Hacker News made with Electron (that's 0.1GB of RAM down the drain immediately for a pomodoro icon or whatev... | null | 0 | 1491948959 | False | 0 | dg50pyi | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3ztnq | null | 1493991007 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Patman128 | null | Coming from Visual Studio and IntelliJ it's a huge improvement, and it's 5 seconds max on my machine which is about how long it takes my brain to context switch anyway. | null | 0 | 1491948966 | False | 0 | dg50q56 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4u0xc | null | 1493991009 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CowboyFlipflop | null | Hey now. | null | 0 | 1491949199 | False | 0 | dg50wrp | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg2trro | null | 1493991098 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OrphisFlo | null | Yeah. Good luck putting V8 on iOS or doing good multithreaded work in Javascript. | null | 1 | 1491949267 | False | 0 | dg50yol | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4rfpc | null | 1493991124 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | 8lbIceBag | null | Discord? | null | 0 | 1491949292 | False | 0 | dg50zcw | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg50dy8 | null | 1493991132 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Serializedrequests | null | I host multiple sites on shared servers, and apache has an obvious way to handle vhosts that I don't see in nginx upon immediate install.
Also, apache resources are numerous, and it's what I know. Certain sites sometimes end up needing its fancier modules and options. | null | 0 | 1491949397 | False | 0 | dg5129f | t3_64k23v | null | null | t1_dg2rmwc | null | 1493991171 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | itsmontoya | null | I'd love to use Servo for something like this. | null | 0 | 1491949457 | False | 0 | dg513za | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg402le | null | 1493991193 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sammayylmao | null | Go, Java, c++, c#, html/php/CSS, vb.net,python
:D | null | 0 | 1491949463 | False | 0 | dg5145b | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg4z48q | null | 1493991197 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bkv | null | Java's JIT has the luxury of optimizing a statically typed language. V8's JIT is impressive in large part due to the fact that it's optimizing a highly dynamic language. Being so dynamic, it's subject to de-optimization, which means it's harder to write javascript with good performance, but it can be done. | null | 0 | 1491949525 | False | 0 | dg515ug | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4ufde | null | 1493991219 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | __crackers__ | null | Sure, there are far worse offenders, but as I said, I'm comparing it to Sublime (another editor), not a full-blown IDE.
It's well north of 5 seconds on my machine, and as I'm usually opening the window via the project manager plugin, the context switch has already happened in my head, and I'm just sat staring at a bla... | null | 0 | 1491949669 | False | 0 | dg51a4b | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg50q56 | null | 1493991276 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DevestatingAttack | null | I don't know. Recently I was on my laptop on facebook, and I had a few chat windows open in Chrome. Then they started to hang.
It was faster for me to go to Virtualbox, boot up Windows 98, navigate to Opera 9.64 and go to mbasic.facebook and look at the content there, than it was to wait for Chrome to load whatever du... | null | 0 | 1491949756 | False | 0 | dg51cl0 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4wz9z | null | 1493991309 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bkv | null | >If you can get within 2x slower I will grant your argument, and paypal you $50
I took care to word my original response carefully:
>The performance between well-written Java/C# and something native like C or C++ is imperceivable for *typical user-facing applications*
To be clear, we're talking specifically ab... | null | 1 | 1491949910 | False | 0 | dg51gxo | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4w2op | null | 1493991367 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eluusive | null | > Python generators and coroutines as an alternative
This is a better alternative, the code ends up much more legible. The D frontend project SDC uses this to greatly reduce the amount of code required in the frontend: http://github.com/sdc-developers/sdc
It's pretty neat, and fast. | null | 0 | 1491949995 | False | 0 | dg51jef | t3_64sxfs | null | null | t3_64sxfs | null | 1493991401 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | int32_t | null | As a user I hate to be told how awesome your favorite technology is and how all *we users* are loving it. No, thanks.
Personally I am not so serious about the inefficiency of Slack and other Electron-based applications. But it's definitely not the developers' business to sell the users what they consider best for them... | null | 0 | 1491950070 | False | 0 | dg51lhv | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3zoak | null | 1493991434 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Annabellish | null | iOS has historically had far _more_ vulnerabilities than Android, not less - your findings are incorrect.
Why would Google even need to expose these things to a web browser in order to track your behaviour, given that they have a tonne of root-level processes running at all times? | null | 0 | 1491950133 | False | 0 | dg51n9y | t3_64pocv | null | null | t1_dg4gw5c | null | 1493991459 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CowboyFlipflop | null | Hard to recognize the sarcasm when, like others around here, I've really seen this happen. ;-( | null | 0 | 1491950185 | False | 0 | dg51ope | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg3stpn | null | 1493991478 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | NotoriousArab | null | I can get behind the idea of a global instance, **only** **if** it's executed correctly and is efficient with resources, etc. | null | 0 | 1491950259 | False | 0 | dg51qrm | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4zmkq | null | 1493991506 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | asdfkjasdhkasd | null | You can run JS on IOS, Android, and almost every other consumer device inside a native webview. | null | 0 | 1491950435 | False | 0 | dg51vq5 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg50yol | null | 1493991578 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | wufenstein | null | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b9FKW-kJP4 | null | 0 | 1491950609 | False | 0 | dg520g9 | t3_64cw55 | null | null | t3_64cw55 | null | 1493991641 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Baryn | null | This article was written 6 months ago. Electron and all the many apps that use it are more popular than ever. That indicates pretty well how relevant these ideas have been. | null | 0 | 1491950662 | False | 0 | dg521xb | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493991661 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | TheManInTheShack | null | Your information inaccurate. Android has been plagued by malware. While 80% of iOS users are running the latest version only a few months after its release, the latest version of Android is running on a tiny fraction of devices.
Apple has always made security a super high priority. Google has not. | null | 1 | 1491950735 | False | 0 | dg523y1 | t3_64pocv | null | null | t1_dg51n9y | null | 1493991689 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tojal | null | Isn't it great that programming has been reduced to a matter of personal taste, and that every programmer and programming language is equally beautiful? As a profession, we are definitely heading downhill. | null | 0 | 1491950743 | False | 0 | dg5244j | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4540y | null | 1493991691 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | skizmo | null | go spam somewhere else | null | 0 | 1491950988 | False | 0 | dg52aza | t3_64txkz | null | null | t3_64txkz | null | 1493991790 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | fireduck | null | I agree with almost everything you posted, but it would be nice if the local assets downloaded were enough to play offline for a while. It would be a pain for a non-online game to need a connection to work. | null | 0 | 1491951071 | False | 0 | dg52dax | t3_64r5j6 | null | null | t1_dg4w3da | null | 1493991821 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | RabbidKitten | null | There are differing opinions on what makes a "beautiful" C++, but regarding header files - you definitely don't have to split all declarations out in a header file. Think of the headers as your public API. If some functions or classes / structs are used only from in a single source file, it is perfectly OK not to inclu... | null | 0 | 1491951076 | False | 0 | dg52dgl | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg48a6z | null | 1493991823 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | z3t0 | null | JavaScript isn't the issue. It's developers that are taking for granted super fast computers and assuming their app is a gift from god and is the only thing running on the pc. | null | 0 | 1491951124 | False | 0 | dg52ev9 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4loqp | null | 1493991842 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MuppetMaster42 | null | The cost of cross platform native isn't really dropping. Even with like .NET core, there's still large gaps and specialized skillsets required.
The problem is that when building one app each 3 platform, you can reuse your UX, design, and probably architecture for the most part, but the code itself can't be. And that's... | null | 0 | 1491951205 | 1491958944 | 0 | dg52h1b | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4itas | null | 1493991873 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HTXLoveThisPlace | null | > weaknesses in a junior developer's code
Because senior developers never have weak code?
You come across as the exact type of individual this article pertains to. Of course that's not your fault, some people don't realize it. | null | 1 | 1491951208 | False | 0 | dg52h3s | t3_64sdig | null | null | t1_dg4zq6f | null | 1493991874 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | CluelessTurtle | null | I want to thank you and /u/th0masr0ss for having this argument, I've really learned so much! | null | 0 | 1491951215 | False | 0 | dg52hbc | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4yesf | null | 1493991877 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mr-Yellow | null | When linking arxiv, link the landing page not the pdf.
Everyone just downloaded a PDF they didn't need. Waste of resources.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.05549 | null | 0 | 1491951256 | 1491951448 | 0 | dg52iex | t3_64pocv | null | null | t3_64pocv | null | 1493991891 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1491951316 | False | 0 | dg52k1m | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4vsds | null | 1493991918 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Mr-Yellow | null | It's not hard...
https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.05549 | null | 0 | 1491951362 | False | 0 | dg52lcr | t3_64pocv | null | null | t1_dg4ufi6 | null | 1493991958 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | bumblebritches57 | null | > But we'll see a shift. As we run out of leaps and bounds in hardware the focus will have to shift to optimization to make any gains.
and honestly, this is part of why I write C, and actually give a shit about not being obviously wasteful, use the proper int sizes and whatnot.
it's not difficult, i don't understa... | null | 0 | 1491951435 | False | 0 | dg52ncc | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg49fgn | null | 1493991987 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ludat | null | Telegram's desktop app is the best ui I've seen in a long time and it uses qt | null | 0 | 1491951497 | False | 0 | dg52p1m | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3znlf | null | 1493992009 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | z3t0 | null | I think it might just be that electron isn't very mature yet. I see electron becoming much more developed into an ecosystem where it will actually excel. For example chrome /electron is installed once and not for each app. That itself will significantly improve performance. On top of that devs not only need to get out ... | null | 0 | 1491951570 | False | 0 | dg52r20 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg521xb | null | 1493992056 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DevestatingAttack | null | I mean, how is that different than using the native mechanism that the operating system provides? Either you have to learn Objective C or Swift to do Cocoa development on a Mac, or you have to learn C++ or C# for development for Windows, or you have to learn C for GTK. Any other bindings then becomes painful, right? | null | 0 | 1491951571 | False | 0 | dg52r3b | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4lxv8 | null | 1493992057 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | stgeorge78 | null | And there's probably just as many case studies of companies that went under while trying to convert business critical systems unsuccessfully, created something new that the customers liked even less or simply found out that the new solution is more expensive and less reliable than the old solution. | null | 0 | 1491951572 | False | 0 | dg52r4a | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg46qqd | null | 1493992057 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | x86_64Ubuntu | null | JavaFX doesn't even have a TileList. And I don't think anyone **really** knows what the future of JavaFX holds. | null | 0 | 1491951604 | False | 0 | dg52rz7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3z49p | null | 1493992079 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recycled_ideas | null | Unless you need to target multiple platforms. In which case it does. | null | 0 | 1491951642 | False | 0 | dg52sz7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4t58k | null | 1493992093 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | DevestatingAttack | null | Any version of a GTK application looks like absolute ass in Windows, I'm talking like standard Java Swing level ass. | null | 0 | 1491951699 | False | 0 | dg52uil | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40bcb | null | 1493992113 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OrphisFlo | null | Please. You said "because v8". Now you talk about running Javascript, that's different. Javascript on mobile is: slow, has inconsistent versions of JS implementations, interpreted / JIT language, single threaded and doesn't port to other exotic platforms at all (think embedded).
Also, when you have a codebase that is ... | null | 0 | 1491951705 | False | 0 | dg52uor | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg51vq5 | null | 1493992115 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HTXLoveThisPlace | null | Sure is a lot of them lately. | null | 0 | 1491951826 | False | 0 | dg52xvw | t3_64s5jy | null | null | t1_dg4kht5 | null | 1493992188 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | choikwa | null | LOL. [just keep digging](http://www.i-programmer.info/news/167-javascript/8811-javascript-has-a-problem.html) | null | 0 | 1491951862 | False | 0 | dg52yto | t3_64jymy | null | null | t1_dg51ope | null | 1493992200 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MehYam | null | For the purposes of the performance discussion here, your app is going to pay for nearly the same footprint. CEF still requires all the idling (or busy) worker processes that Electron does for things like page/tab isolation, rendering, caching, etc. | null | 0 | 1491951867 | False | 0 | dg52yzo | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4fbbo | null | 1493992202 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | asdfkjasdhkasd | null | Not saying rewrite everything in JS, that's obviously crazy. I'm also not saying it's fast or performant or even a good idea. I'm just saying you can run JS in 99.9% of the places you can run c++. CPP isn't any *more portable* than JS.
The point of mentioning V8 makes it obvious that anyhing that runs C++ could just ... | null | 0 | 1491951876 | False | 0 | dg52z8b | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg52uor | null | 1493992205 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Only_As_I_Fall | null | I can't help you, but the thought that someone made a Reddit account to search for the answer to this exact obscure problem tickles me.
Good luck with your quest! | null | 0 | 1491952058 | False | 0 | dg53446 | t3_64otm1 | null | null | t1_dg4y4eh | null | 1493992302 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OrphisFlo | null | Yes it is more portable. Try running Javascript on embedded platforms that are memory constrained. C++ is a 0-cost abstraction language. Javascript? You need a huge VM.
Also, in C++, you know your environment roughly when you compile. In Javascript, you have absolutely no idea what VM is going to run it. Maybe it will... | null | 0 | 1491952107 | False | 0 | dg535em | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg52z8b | null | 1493992320 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | marinespl | null | It targets only one: Chrome. It's almost the same as you would run a Linux app in Quemu on Windows and called it multiplatform. | null | 0 | 1491952149 | False | 0 | dg536h3 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg52sz7 | null | 1493992338 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dagit | null | > Fuck you /u/could-of-bot
Enjoy your grammar prescription. | null | 0 | 1491952227 | False | 0 | dg538ix | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg3xvgh | null | 1493992380 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | drjeats | null | Model/View/Presenter, not Minimum Viable Product. | null | 0 | 1491952294 | False | 0 | dg53ack | t3_64lfh5 | null | null | t1_dg47oj6 | null | 1493992410 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | xgalaxy | null | To clarify your response you are talking msfp (milliseconds per frame). Milliseconds per frame is a better gauge of performance than frames per second. And yes, a half a millisecond optimization increase is nice when you have a goal of 16mspf. | null | 0 | 1491952320 | False | 0 | dg53b2n | t3_64qhv2 | null | null | t1_dg4xm46 | null | 1493992421 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recycled_ideas | null | C++ isn't write once run anywhere, not even with QT, nor is Java. | null | 0 | 1491952403 | False | 0 | dg53d5u | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4js1e | null | 1493992460 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ArmandoWall | null | That was not the point, and it was just an example. Edit: I used it because it happened to me back in the day. Devs being unnecessarily condescending simply because I was a junior. "Lol, I can see why you don't understand that" "Ok, so any hints? We have a deadline..." "Lol you don't really see it, kid?" "_Sigh_."
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null | NotFromReddit | null | The Electron hate is dumb.
Yes, it's slow and bloaty. But most Electron apps would not exist at all without it. So what you're saying in effect, is don't write those apps at all.
I use a few Electron apps that make my life better. I'd rather have somewhat slow versions of these apps, than not having them at all. | null | 1 | 1491952421 | False | 0 | dg53do4 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493992466 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | minderaser | null | Oh I have some issues with custom colors of components on Windows (borders don't update, TMenu and TStatusbar.Colors cannot be changed, as well as selection/highlight colors).
I would love to use QT and didn't know it was available for Windows with Lazarus, and I just tried it and it turns out it is DLL hell. I have t... | null | 0 | 1491952453 | False | 0 | dg53eii | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40bcb | null | 1493992488 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dsk | null | >The problem is that programmers' bar is being lowered year for year, and consumers end up paying for it.
You don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean "programmers' bar is being lowered year for year"? Is it worse now than when PHP was hot and there were a ton of know-nothing PHP developers (back when... | null | 0 | 1491952547 | False | 0 | dg53gwq | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4q5re | null | 1493992526 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | american_defector | null | This is actually the app I use. It really is phenomenal. If you pair it with the mobile app, you can put together a simple wireless music system. | null | 0 | 1491952556 | False | 0 | dg53h4p | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4uf1b | null | 1493992529 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | LTS1287 | null | Sorry I took so long. I finally found it buried in my file hierarchy. It is Michael Abrash's Graphics Programming Black Book: special edition. | null | 0 | 1491952560 | False | 0 | dg53h8f | t3_63auwj | null | null | t1_dfte0b4 | null | 1493992530 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Uristqwerty | null | I have a theory that for every advance in the average computing power available, both the apps themselves expand to take advantage of it, and the users (or OS producers) expand the concurrent app *count* because the resources are now available, and both increases, when multiplied, slightly outpace the increase in perfo... | null | 0 | 1491952569 | False | 0 | dg53hgs | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg40pwj | null | 1493992533 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | drjeats | null | It's a really common criticism, so I guess that's why they're looking at finding a way to support Lua, C#, and actual Python. I dunno what the unique benefits of GDScript are since I don't use Godot. /shrug/
Also, unrelated but in case you were interested the latest Blitz successor is https://www.monkey-x.com/ | null | 0 | 1491952638 | False | 0 | dg53ja0 | t3_64s8cc | null | null | t1_dg502q7 | null | 1493992583 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | gearvOsh | null | I'm assuming it's because all the news, patch notes, etc, are HTML pages rendered with the embedded chrome. | null | 0 | 1491952673 | False | 0 | dg53k9c | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4gni8 | null | 1493992602 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | eyko | null | Don't worry, fullstack is going back full circle. Server rendered whatever is proof of that. Whilst i agree with you, i just wanted to point out that many full stack developer are still writing web applications in Django, rails, play, .Net, phoenix, laravel, etc. There's a lot of visibility around trends and that's why... | null | 0 | 1491952709 | False | 0 | dg53l6n | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4una9 | null | 1493992615 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | jackmott2 | null | 1. "typical" user facing application is an ill defined thing. There are lots of user facing applications that use noise algorithms.
2. people are not even getting "Typing a character" below user perceptible latency: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/
3. Even bad efficiency that isn't perceptible to the user... | null | 0 | 1491952813 | False | 0 | dg53nw7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg51gxo | null | 1493992656 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | z3t0 | null | A proposition. Let's build something that has the ease of use of electron, so HTML, CSS, JavaScript.
But is extremely fast and extremely efficient. I like complaining as much as the next.m person. But now that we've recognized a problem let's get together and fix it.
Join me on [here](
https://gitter.im/BettercCros... | null | 0 | 1491952823 | False | 0 | dg53o5u | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t3_64oqaq | null | 1493992661 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | HTXLoveThisPlace | null | Martin Fowler jumped the shark long ago...
Didn't take much reading before his name came up. | null | 0 | 1491952923 | False | 0 | dg53qtq | t3_64ji2j | null | null | t3_64ji2j | null | 1493992716 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | GrenderG | null | I would like to thank [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/63lssy/build_your_own_text_editor/) where I got the basis of this project! | null | 0 | 1491952957 | False | 0 | dg53rrn | t3_64uinn | null | null | t3_64uinn | null | 1493992728 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MySpl33n | null | I mainly use it while gaming since Win10 doesn't do audio from Android over Bluetooth like it did in Win7. | null | 0 | 1491952992 | False | 0 | dg53so6 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg53h4p | null | 1493992740 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Nadamir | null | Thank you, they are.
It's not how I expected my life to be but if I had to do it over again I would still choose to have her for too few years than never have her at all. | null | 0 | 1491953099 | False | 0 | dg53vji | t3_64jd9r | null | null | t1_dg4oq4c | null | 1493992806 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Antrikshy | null | Hah, r/programming has a post making fun of Slack's app, and another one explaining how it's built well.
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null | Hi_mom1 | null | > Last note, sales guys would be on a VoIP call with a huge potential contract, someone would turn on the microwave to make a baked potato, the microwave would kill wifi and their call would be dropped.
Ha ha that reminds me of my first VoIP system ever - I was working IT for a tiny company that sold travel package... | null | 0 | 1491953210 | False | 0 | dg53ygi | t3_64idzl | null | null | t1_dg2e96i | null | 1493992847 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | asdfkjasdhkasd | null | > embedded platforms that are memory constrained.
aka the .1%
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null | flukus | null | People have been repeating this bullshit for decades now yet java apps are still slow compared to their c/c++ counterparts. And that's even when you have c doing much of the heavy lifting. | null | 0 | 1491953290 | False | 0 | dg540m2 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4s3xd | null | 1493992876 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | sephg | null | Well yeah, just like flash. Flash was great for what it did - and arguably it wasn't flash's fault it got picked up my shitty developers making "punch the monkey" banner adds which gobbled up all your CPU even when rendering into a background tab. But that's what happened. And that's what's happening with electron. | null | 0 | 1491953332 | False | 0 | dg541qe | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4r8lw | null | 1493992890 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Draghi | null | Personally, I just disable the toolbars. Hotkeys and menus work just fine.
As for perspectives I only use 3 of them - C++, Debug and Git - and I've not really found them clunky myself, just slow to do the switchover. Same with the tabs.
Configuration is terrible though, you're right, I dread whenever I need to confi... | null | 0 | 1491953354 | False | 0 | dg542cd | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4pe94 | null | 1493992898 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | RabbidKitten | null | It is crazy powerful, but using the crazy powerful part is crazy hard. | null | 0 | 1491953448 | False | 0 | dg544w1 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4k5xu | null | 1493992932 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | flukus | null | Like what? | null | 0 | 1491953501 | False | 0 | dg546ba | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4knq7 | null | 1493992951 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | recycled_ideas | null | It targets a web browser. Electron lets you run it as a desktop app with that target. | null | 0 | 1491953759 | False | 0 | dg54dac | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg536h3 | null | 1493993044 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | featherfooted | null | So - you write this comment, it gets downvoted, people write responses [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/64oqaq/electron_is_flash_for_the_desktop/dg4ckz5/?context=2) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/64oqaq/electron_is_flash_for_the_desktop/dg49ugn/?context=2), you *delete* the... | null | 0 | 1491953841 | False | 0 | dg54fg8 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4hu2j | null | 1493993073 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | ssylvan | null | This is exactly the ridiculous bullshit I'm talking about.
You can make a rational tradeoff, you don't have to be an extremist where one factor outweighs all others no matter how absurd the consequences are. Potentially sacrificing your viability as a business because you want to get a shitty version out two weeks ear... | null | 0 | 1491953845 | 1491954065 | 0 | dg54fk8 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4xr94 | null | 1493993074 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | dtfinch | null | When I see people still waiting 10 seconds for an app to start I'm reminded of this mentality. It's not just the RAM. It's layers and layers of inefficiency all multiplied together. Some things aren't solved by more hardware, like a bubble sort is just as bad today as it was 30 years ago. | null | 0 | 1491953852 | False | 0 | dg54fs7 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg48d1k | null | 1493993080 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | flukus | null | This is absolutely laughable. No one is writing software thousands of times faster than they were in the 90's. At best it would be twice as fast, but when you have to fuck around getting CSS layouts right those benefits dissapear too. | null | 0 | 1491953889 | False | 0 | dg54grf | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4adwx | null | 1493993093 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | MuonManLaserJab | null | Still, it's not the same thing. I can use this program to put clipart of a fire next to clipart of a house, but I can't use it to draw a burning house. | null | 0 | 1491953963 | False | 0 | dg54io1 | t3_64sasm | null | null | t1_dg4z7v8 | null | 1493993119 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | art-solopov | null | Lisp is the new Java. Go Emacs! | null | 0 | 1491953970 | False | 0 | dg54ivq | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg43sex | null | 1493993122 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | OrphisFlo | null | Yes, but that's a cost that is acceptable usually on desktop machines, not so much on mobiles or embedded. The core logic is the one that needs porting, not the UI (you wouldn't want the same on iOS or Android). Then, CEF is convenient as it allows to use a good rendering framework to make a crossplatform app (Windows,... | null | 0 | 1491954159 | False | 0 | dg54nt3 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg52yzo | null | 1493993188 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | mrkite77 | null | Chrome wants to use your keyboard
Please. Asking permission for stupid shit just devalues permission dialogs and makes people ignore them. | null | 0 | 1491954223 | False | 0 | dg54phc | t3_64pocv | null | null | t1_dg48829 | null | 1493993211 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tojal | null | Yes it is worse now. At least dumb-fucks who use PHP only affects servers, JavaScript moving to desktop applications is way worse because it affects end-users directly; it drains power, it steals CPU, it consumers memory; and the only reasoning behind why this is ok is "I feel more comfortable writing JavaScript". Well... | null | 0 | 1491954262 | False | 0 | dg54qi6 | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg53gwq | null | 1493993225 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | Draghi | null | I thought the bad thing about flash was the zero-day exploits. | null | 0 | 1491954322 | False | 0 | dg54s2p | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4r8lw | null | 1493993246 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
null | tontoto | null | Yes, http://modern.ie | null | 0 | 1491954391 | False | 0 | dg54tvz | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4tvis | null | 1493993271 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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null | Draghi | null | No, but buying a lower spec computer would cost more. | null | 0 | 1491954468 | False | 0 | dg54vxh | t3_64oqaq | null | null | t1_dg4tvis | null | 1493993298 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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