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True | a_redditor | null | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_counting#COM | null | 0 | 1315972850 | False | 0 | c2jqgts | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqgts | t1_c2jqf1v | null | 1427597734 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jiiyag | null | It seems like he would get more benefit from hiring a (well spoken and nice) tester to sit next to him and test his code as he codes. | null | 0 | 1315972886 | False | 0 | c2jqgz6 | t3_kepcp | null | t1_c2jqgz6 | t3_kepcp | null | 1427597729 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ipcj | null | You can download the dev preview. It should have sample apps. But, I am sure you would be able to download the samples soon.
Oh well, here's some sample code :) - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br211380.aspx
Edit - Added sample code link | null | 0 | 1315972909 | False | 0 | c2jqh2r | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqh2r | t1_c2jqbhr | null | 1427597732 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | deflatarat | null | I wonder if such a device would help programmers that can see to become more productive. | null | 0 | 1315973080 | False | 0 | c2jqhsx | t3_ke5ao | null | t1_c2jqhsx | t1_c2jmm42 | null | 1427597742 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rcklmbr | null | I was going to reply a "late night infomercial", then I realized it was late at night too. Haha, you're 100% right. | null | 0 | 1315973191 | False | 0 | c2jqial | t3_ketdw | null | t1_c2jqial | t1_c2jqf5w | null | 1427597748 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null |
Sounds like Metro is right up your alley then.
(Now if only I could find a way to upgrade my 200 screen VB 6 application. I'm sure I mentioned it, its the one that has exceeded the "controls per form" limit on numerous occasions.)
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True | [deleted] | null | Nice. From the Windows.UI.XAML.Controls namespace, it looks like the UI portion is basically a WPF/Silverlight port:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.xaml.controls(v=VS.85).aspx
There are familiar things like ContentPresenter, ControlTemplate, DataTemplateSelector, etc. Pretty much all the WPF controls are there.
The inheritance tree is basically the same, although the Visual class is missing:
Object DependencyObject UIElement FrameworkElement Control
There is still a 2-pass Measure/Arrange layout system.
They cleaned up all the input events, e.g., there's no longer MouseMoved, StylusMoved, TouchMoved, etc. Instead, there's just PointerMoved.
There seems to be a lot of new stuff for the animation API, including many built-in animations that you would otherwise have to create manually in WPF:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.core.animationmetrics.animationeffect(v=VS.85).aspx
I'm not seeing any low-level drawing API though, like DrawingVisual in WPF... hopefully there's easy Direct2D interop, I need this for real-time charting for my medical app.
This is exciting, I'm so happy I won't have to relearn something entirely new. The jump from WPF -> WinRT will be much smaller than the jump from WinForms -> WPF. This is basically just a major new version of WPF :)
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True | __j_random_hacker | null | According to [ants_a](http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/kd0x9/postgresql_91_released/c2je2ha), it's a standard part of SQL99, so the only way a problem can arise is if you want to write SQL that's portable to other RDBMSs that don't yet have this feature. Which is a legitimate thing to want to do -- but in that case I expect there is some PostgreSQL configuration setting that lets you turn this behaviour off.
> Read: it only turn invalid query that you would have fixed (had you know it's incorrect) into valid query that may or may not return what you thought you meant when you write that invalid query.
Do you consider a query "correct" as soon as it's syntactically valid? Of course not, you test it (at least informally) to get some confidence that it does what you want. If you continue to follow this basic practice, the new behaviour can't introduce problems in new queries that you write. | null | 0 | 1315973298 | False | 0 | c2jqirb | t3_kd0x9 | null | t1_c2jqirb | t1_c2jq3qo | null | 1428194187 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | because it is infringing. the web is not radio. its the same as creating a webpage with an iframe to display other sites at your url. depriving them of revenue/advertising the their cbc radio player app?, etcetc.
yea, if 'some guy' is charging for this app, i'd sue the crap out of them too. | null | 0 | 1315973339 | False | 0 | c2jqixz | t3_keja9 | null | t1_c2jqixz | t3_keja9 | null | 1427597761 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315973373 | False | 0 | c2jqj44 | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jqj44 | t1_c2jqfzo | null | 1427597764 | 27 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | I have to agree with you. I played with the demo during a break and I just can't see the new UI being part of my workflow.
For an occassional user or a mobile device I think it's great. But for a development machine I just don't see it working. | null | 0 | 1315973510 | False | 0 | c2jqjoc | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqjoc | t1_c2jq96t | null | 1427597778 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dauphic | null | :/ This isn't C++, it's C++/CLI. The original article's wording made me believe it was possible to interface with these libraries using native C++.
Thanks for providing a link to clear that up. | null | 0 | 1315973549 | False | 0 | c2jqjtw | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqjtw | t1_c2jqh2r | null | 1427597783 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | What I heard...
* no activation
* updates will be pushed via Windows update
No word on time limits and given that this isn't even a beta I would be really surprised if it had one.
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True | a_redditor | null | Nicely done. | null | 0 | 1315973661 | False | 0 | c2jqkb4 | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jqkb4 | t1_c2jqj44 | null | 1427597786 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | Currently Metro is your start menu. The classic start menu is just plain gone. | null | 0 | 1315973719 | False | 0 | c2jqkkk | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqkkk | t1_c2jq8r0 | null | 1427597786 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dan_particle | null | That's it... was looking for an excuse to leave work... I'm off! | null | 0 | 1315974078 | False | 0 | c2jqm3d | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jqm3d | t3_ke58q | null | 1427597796 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SpikeX | null | It doesn't work in VMWare or VirtualPC. Use VirtualBox (and save yourself some headache). If you get an error in VirtualBox, tweak your hardware settings until it works. | null | 0 | 1315974133 | False | 0 | c2jqmbk | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqmbk | t1_c2jpmrs | null | 1427597799 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | What makes you think it is C++/CLI? Every demo I've seen so far stressed that Metro applications written in C++ would be compiled to x86. They even showed the disassembly.
From what I can tell this will just export an extra file with the manifest information for .NET to create a CLR callable wrapper. | null | 0 | 1315974167 | False | 0 | c2jqmh5 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqmh5 | t1_c2jqjtw | null | 1427597801 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | patrickbarnes | null | HOLY SHIT! ! ! ! | null | 0 | 1315974485 | False | 0 | c2jqnv6 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqnv6 | t3_kejwo | null | 1427597819 | -9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | flukus | null | In this case a feature is anything taking more than a couple of hours (thus requiring multiple commits).
You don't seriously submit code for review dozens of times a day do you? | null | 0 | 1315974536 | False | 0 | c2jqo38 | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jqo38 | t1_c2jqgo5 | null | 1427597822 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | *I* don't, but I'm imagining several teams working out of a single code base and adding a ton of branches. Unless you have smaller repositories and it's reasonable to manage. But I'm thinking of the typical one gigantic repo setup many places have. | null | 0 | 1315974771 | False | 0 | c2jqp1n | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jqp1n | t1_c2jqo38 | null | 1427597835 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Lerc | null | > write your tests first, watch them fail, then write the code to make the test pass.
Wouldn't that mean you are writing code to conform to the tests rather than the intended goal? How do you ensure your test is accurate? You can hardly write a test for each test.
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True | ipcj | null | I didn't know he was looking for standard C++. But, in a way he's right. The samples use C++/CLI extension - for e.g; ref class FeedData
C++/CLI - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235298.aspx | null | 0 | 1315975079 | False | 0 | c2jqqda | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqqda | t1_c2jqmh5 | null | 1427597853 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | B_S_O_D | null | *** STOP 0x00000050
Page_Fault_in_Nonpaged_Area
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True | [deleted] | null | (x-post from the other thread)
Nice. From the Windows.UI.XAML.Controls namespace, it looks like the UI portion is basically a WPF/Silverlight port:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.xaml.controls.aspx
* There are familiar things like ContentPresenter, ControlTemplate, DataTemplate, etc. Pretty much all the WPF controls are there, plus some new Panels.
* The inheritance tree is basically the same, although two levels shallower since the DispatcherObject and Visual classes are missing:
Object < DependencyObject < UIElement < FrameworkElement < Control
* There is still a 2-pass Measure/Arrange layout system.
* They cleaned up all the input events, e.g., there's no longer MouseMoved, StylusMoved, TouchMoved, etc. Instead, there's just PointerMoved. All the Manipulation events from WPF 4 for multi-touch seem to be there.
* There seems to be a lot of new stuff for the animation API, including many built-in animations that you would otherwise have to create manually in WPF (you can easily animate adding/removing items to a ListBox, finally!):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/windows.ui.core.animationmetrics.animationeffect.aspx
* I'm not seeing any low-level drawing API though, like DrawingVisual in WPF... hopefully there's easy Direct2D interop, I need this for real-time charting for my medical app. *edit: looks like there is a built-in, low level drawing API. There's a RequestAnimationFrame() call that gives you access to a typical drawing context.
This is exciting, I'm so happy I won't have to relearn something entirely new. The jump from WPF -> WinRT will be much smaller than the jump from WinForms -> WPF. This is basically just a major new version of WPF. Should be really easy to port WPF applications that follow the MVVM pattern, might just have to change some namespaces in our Views :)
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True | dormedas | null | What are your settings? It boots from the ISO, (painstakingly) loads through all of the files to do stuff and then sits there with a black screen seemingly doing nothing. | null | 0 | 1315975370 | False | 0 | c2jqrj9 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqrj9 | t1_c2jqmbk | null | 1427597870 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rubuler | null | There is nothing wrong with having a centralized market for windows developers to actually make money with the developer tools we've learned to use. The only other ones I can think of are the WP7 apphub and XBLIA on xbox, both of which aren't really gold mines at the moment. | null | 0 | 1315975501 | False | 0 | c2jqs2c | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqs2c | t1_c2jpq7s | null | 1427597877 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | flukus | null | Yeah, branches could get unmanageable if you have +20 devs working on the same project.
With a DVCS you probably want 1 master repository with a hub repository for each team (or group of teams).
With a CVCS you need some structure to your source control ie:
* -/Main
* -/project 1 (team 1,2 and 3 working on this)
* --/branches
* ---/trunk
* ---/featurex
* ---/featurey
* --/tags/
* /-project 2 (team 2,3 and 4 working on this)
* --/branches
* ---/trunk
* ---/featurex
* ---/featurey
* --/tags/
Exact structure and branch merge (between man, project 1 and project 2) workflow will vary depending on the project. | null | 0 | 1315975537 | False | 0 | c2jqs7e | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jqs7e | t1_c2jqp1n | null | 1427597888 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fjord_piner | null | Somer perspective: Notch wrote this game for a competition where you have 48 hours to write a game (of which he spent 40 coding).
You don't win this kind of competition by producing a bug free, tested-to-death, boring game. You have to go all in, try to spend 100% of your time on writing the game and hoping for the best.
This doesn't mean that this is how Minecraft is written.
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315975646 | False | 0 | c2jqsmx | t3_ke5ao | null | t1_c2jqsmx | t3_ke5ao | null | 1427597885 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pure_x01 | null | EXIT_SUCESS from stdlib.h . Magic nrs are evil. | null | 0 | 1315975654 | False | 0 | c2jqsoc | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jqsoc | t1_c2jlpo3 | null | 1427597887 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sidfarkus | null | I understand some of the concerns; it didn't really jive with me when I booted it up.
After giving it a little bit of use though I found it wasn't any worse than the current desktop and added some pretty cool things like the new task manager and explorer. Hitting windows key then just typing what you want does what you'd expect and pretty well replaces the old start menu. Alt-tab still works the same as always and it appears to run pretty well even in VirtualBox.
It would be nice if there was a 'card' type view of running apps that was more easily accessible and if there was a good way to get back to the desktop quickly from within a metro app (maybe there's a shortcut?). Still it's growing on me and it seems like a net gain for regular work use and a huge gain in the tablet sector. | null | 0 | 1315975687 | False | 0 | c2jqss9 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqss9 | t1_c2jq96t | null | 1427597887 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315975695 | False | 0 | c2jqstm | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqstm | t1_c2jqrgy | null | 1427597889 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315975942 | False | 0 | c2jqts3 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqts3 | t1_c2jqbhr | null | 1428194180 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MaximumD | null | I don't get *paid* for it, but I do work it. | null | 0 | 1315975951 | False | 0 | c2jqttx | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jqttx | t1_c2jkhzb | null | 1427597898 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gigaquack | null | I'm okay with this | null | 0 | 1315976041 | False | 0 | c2jqu66 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqu66 | t1_c2jpnmv | null | 1427597902 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | vocalbit | null | I use FreeBSD over GNU/Linux. I find system administration in FreeBSD way easier because of its clean and consistent directory hierarchy (Linux is a messy free-for-all in this regard) and excellent documentation. But my favorite features are ZFS and Jails. Even though my various websites aren't complicated, I use Jails (via the ezjail utility) to isolate configurations. So, for e.g. I can upgrade nginx in one jail and leave the others unaffected. ZFS is just awesome - makes snapshotting/rollback quick and easy. Combined with jails, it is really powerful. It's like having any number of virtual machines with 0 CPU overhead and instant snapshotting/rollback/cloning.
I'm in the process of setting up a FreeBSD system at home and trying out the ZFS dump/incremental-dump feature to keep a local jail in perfect sync with the remote server.
I use Linux at work and don't dislike it but I find troubleshooting configuration issues (missing or mismatching libraries, location of config files, etc.) much more of a pain. This might be because each distribution is an aggregation of software from disparate teams (kernel from here, libc from there, packaging system from somewhere else, etc.). Whereas the FreeBSD base system (kernel+core libraries and tools+docs+packaging system) is entirely built, tested and released as a unified package.
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True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | If it's still there, how do I get it back? I looked through the options and was unable to find an option to easily switch between the "classic" interface and the new Metro interface. I know this is an early release, but I would think this dual functionality would be useful in a developer testing release. | null | 0 | 1315976316 | False | 0 | c2jqv9h | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqv9h | t1_c2jpyva | null | 1427597916 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | kudos for wanting it to be implemented in a db, but minor internet disapproval for adding on a theme. the greatest appeal of mysqlgame was that it had no story or theme - just the raw numbers. | null | 0 | 1315976331 | False | 0 | c2jqvbm | t3_keiy5 | null | t1_c2jqvbm | t1_c2jmpa6 | null | 1427597925 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315976386 | False | 0 | c2jqvk6 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqvk6 | t1_c2jqh2r | null | 1427597920 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | The C# GC is mark-and-sweep. As its very core, it means that during the collection stage, it'll start from a root object, travel down the object graph and mark the entire tree as "used". Then, during the sweep phase, anything left unmarked (that is, unreachable from the root object, therefore unused) is collected. No refcounting at all.
There's many, many details and optimizations, but the core of it is fundamentally different from refcount-based schemes. | null | 0 | 1315976417 | False | 0 | c2jqvo6 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqvo6 | t1_c2jqf1v | null | 1427597922 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mhoppus | null | Tons of sample apps over here: http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsapps
You can even browse the source code online by clicking on a sample and then clicking "Browse Code". | null | 0 | 1315976491 | False | 0 | c2jqvyp | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqvyp | t3_kewaq | null | 1427597936 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | [Metro style apps can use certain Win32/COM classes](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205757%28v=VS.85%29.aspx).
In particular for your case, [Direct2D, Direct3D, DirectWrite and HLSL are available](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx). | null | 0 | 1315976511 | False | 0 | c2jqw1s | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqw1s | t1_c2jqrgy | null | 1427597927 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | weirdasianfaces | null | I agree with you as well -- it just really doesn't work with my style of uuh... doing stuff. Adding on to what I said earlier, I really just think that Explorer looks dull is difficult to get to and the ribbon tabs need to go. *That said*, I think if they implement it correctly (less clutter, remove stuff that even *they* agree based off their own data that people don't use) it might not be so bad but they should always give the user the choice to revert back to just having it removed completely, versus collapsed.
After booting in to it again, I realized there's a slight start menu that gives you some basic options like search, settings (stuff you can find in the task bar) but the green panel that comes out is too big and annoying.
If this is the way Windows is going without having a full desktop experience and not having to deal with the Metro crap, I'm not going to touch Windows 8. | null | 0 | 1315976634 | False | 0 | c2jqwi1 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqwi1 | t1_c2jqjoc | null | 1427597936 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Holy shit, I am going to start porting my app immediately. Easy Direct2D interop... this means we finally have an excellent retained mode graphics system, with an easy way to use immediate mode rendering where needed. *faints*
My app's performance in WPF is sub-par, I have a feeling it's going to fly on WinRT thanks to this. I spent like a month optimizing drawing waveforms (with help from Microsoft), and if I could have used Direct2D easily it wouldn't have been an issue. | null | 0 | 1315976635 | True | 0 | c2jqwi8 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqwi8 | t1_c2jqw1s | null | 1427597936 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | user741 | null | So... is it any good? | null | 0 | 1315976645 | False | 0 | c2jqwjc | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jqwjc | t1_c2jqj44 | null | 1427597936 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315976653 | False | 0 | c2jqwkd | t3_kf1n4 | null | t1_c2jqwkd | t3_kf1n4 | null | 1427597936 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | weirdasianfaces | null | If I was running this on a tablet or a PC with touch input, I have a feeling I'd like it a little more, but as of now it's just not working for me as far as flow goes. | null | 0 | 1315976764 | False | 0 | c2jqwym | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqwym | t1_c2jqss9 | null | 1427597943 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | benark | null | Here is [a PDF from MSDN](http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/E/4/1E455D53-C382-4A39-BA73-55413F183333/Windows_Developer_Preview-Windows8_guide.pdf) giving a good overview of what's in the Developer Preview. | null | 0 | 1315976797 | False | 0 | c2jqx36 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqx36 | t1_c2jogsj | null | 1427597944 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | While I agree that this isn't standard C++, I do have reason to believe that this isn't C++/CLI and is instead something new that uses a similar syntax.
I need something more concrete. | null | 0 | 1315976839 | False | 0 | c2jqx9l | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqx9l | t1_c2jqqda | null | 1427597946 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mycall | null | You can try disabling Metro, the default for Windows Server Developer Preview | null | 0 | 1315976864 | False | 0 | c2jqxcu | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqxcu | t1_c2jq96t | null | 1427597946 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315976904 | False | 0 | c2jqxik | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jqxik | t1_c2jqwjc | null | 1427597948 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mycall | null | Try out the Windows Server Developer Preview.. it might fit your needs better (although I don't know if it comes with VS2k11 yet, still downloading). | null | 0 | 1315976915 | False | 0 | c2jqxjq | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqxjq | t1_c2jqjoc | null | 1427597948 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Joenathane | null | Wow, that is very useful. | null | 0 | 1315976933 | False | 0 | c2jqxlz | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqxlz | t1_c2jq8wb | null | 1427597948 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | I don't know about how easy it'd be to interop. In this case in particular, I think it'd be the same as regular COM interop, 'cept the app certifier won't complain. The ease of interop itself is still up to whichever language you're using.
Experiment around, then tell us your findings! (I'd do it myself but I can't afford another partition right now and it doesn't yet work with VMWare, apparently) | null | 0 | 1315977054 | False | 0 | c2jqy2x | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqy2x | t1_c2jqwi8 | null | 1427597953 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mycall | null | This makes me happy.. I am writing my first MVVM WPF and I was hearing WPF was being thrown out with the baby. | null | 0 | 1315977157 | False | 0 | c2jqygl | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqygl | t1_c2jqij5 | null | 1427597958 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | periphrasis | null | Apparently it's C++ with ["Component Extensions"](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh454076%28v=VS.85%29.aspx). | null | 0 | 1315977182 | True | 0 | c2jqyk6 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqyk6 | t1_c2jqjtw | null | 1427597959 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Thanks. I checked out the Animations C# example. The XAML/C# code is pretty much indistinguishable from that of a WPF app. The XAML even uses the WPF namespace:
"http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation"
The C# code-behind uses the new namespaces, that's the only give-away.
Also, you have to do some boilerplate serialization/deserialization, similar to Windows Phone 7 tombstoning, since Metro apps never really close.
Whoever wrote these C#/XAML examples also isn't very experienced with XAML since there is a lot of unnecessary code-behind that could be replaced with Styles/Triggers.
And wow, the XAML/C# combo is soooo much better than the JS/HTML/CSS versions. The XAML is much more readable since the layout and styling is all in one place. But I'm biased since I'm not a web developer. | null | 0 | 1315977211 | True | 0 | c2jqyow | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jqyow | t1_c2jqvyp | null | 1427597961 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | Thanks. | null | 0 | 1315977245 | False | 0 | c2jqytv | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqytv | t1_c2jqx36 | null | 1427597963 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | weirdasianfaces | null | I looked all over but must not have looked hard enough. Where did you find the option to disable Metro, or am I misunderstanding your comment?
Edit: Read another comment and yeah I misunderstood yours. I'll see about downloading that. Thanks. | null | 0 | 1315977283 | False | 0 | c2jqyyq | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqyyq | t1_c2jqxcu | null | 1427597964 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mycall | null | I implemented WPF popups for entering passwords, command results and error messages. So you think modal windows are a no-no for those purposes? | null | 0 | 1315977329 | False | 0 | c2jqz5b | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqz5b | t1_c2jqabu | null | 1427597967 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mhd420 | null | this means nothing | null | 0 | 1315977412 | False | 0 | c2jqzga | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jqzga | t3_kf1ue | null | 1427597972 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | No, that's fine. Traditional Win32 modal dialogs (not WPF popups) would stop your window from pumping messages, so nothing in the background would keep updating.
Still, from a UI design perspective, you want to minimize the use of truly modal (as in you can't do anything else before responding) popup dialogs. | null | 0 | 1315977446 | False | 0 | c2jqzl5 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqzl5 | t1_c2jqz5b | null | 1427597973 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mycall | null | MSDN for subscribers have the full VS 2011. | null | 0 | 1315977530 | False | 0 | c2jqzwr | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jqzwr | t1_c2jpsrx | null | 1427597977 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Joenathane | null | Most programs that have been incompatible with Windows 7, I have found are fixed if they are set to run with Admin privileges, and in some cases you might need to install the program in the user folder. 80% of programs I've encountered that were incompatible, I've been able to fix using those methods. | null | 0 | 1315977594 | False | 0 | c2jr04l | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr04l | t1_c2jpndv | null | 1427597979 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Finally, a tablet that I can use to browse the web on the couch, and then dock to do actual work. This is the first tablet that can serve the purpose that the iPad does but still completely replace my laptop. | null | 0 | 1315977718 | False | 0 | c2jr0ma | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jr0ma | t3_kf1ue | null | 1427597987 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ausgoo | null | It's a research project about user IDE interaction. We built a tool to capture your interactions with Eclipse and make use of the interactions to serve you. The hotkey reminder seems be very interesting: it monitors your actions and notify you when your current action can be performed by some hotkeys. The summary viewer shows you a report about what you have been working on in Eclipse: coding, exploring, testing and debugging. Check it out. It's an interesting project. BTW, the video demonstrations are good. | null | 0 | 1315977719 | True | 0 | c2jr0mc | t3_kf2cx | null | t1_c2jr0mc | t3_kf2cx | null | 1427597987 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Well, to be fair, you're completely right, and I'm often amazed by the things that still work on Windows 7, even on a 64bit machine.
But you only need one important application that doesn't, and you're screwed.
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True | ipcj | null | Awesome find :) | null | 0 | 1315977935 | False | 0 | c2jr1gr | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jr1gr | t1_c2jqvyp | null | 1428194174 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315977983 | False | 0 | c2jr1n4 | t3_keepq | null | t1_c2jr1n4 | t3_keepq | null | 1427598006 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | domlebo70 | null | Blogspam to the max, but the hotkey plugin is cool | null | 0 | 1315978009 | False | 0 | c2jr1qi | t3_kf2cx | null | t1_c2jr1qi | t3_kf2cx | null | 1427598006 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | k3n | null | I think you just described every company I've ever worked at. The worst was the one where I was in tech support, which took up 1/2 the ground floor of a 2-story corporate headquarters. It was kind of cool, there was a giant window in the lobby where you could see us in tech support doing our thing.
Since we were the only ones in the building not on salary, we didn't get holidays off. We also didn't get time off for the company parties they'd throw in the same lobby with the window. They'd have food, music, maybe some games, maybe sing some carols or have some speeches....while we watched from the other side of the big windows, and worked.
I swear I caught some of them tapping on the window to see if we'd jump like fish in a tank... | null | 0 | 1315978037 | False | 0 | c2jr1u7 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jr1u7 | t1_c2jq879 | null | 1428194173 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | well lets analyze this - portion of laptops running windows: 90%... i think this means something, but i'm not quite sure what just yet. :\
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True | moyix | null | It looks like it partially works with VirtualBox, though! I can get it installed, but it looks like some of the new metro apps don't work. I was able to start up VS2011 just fine, though. | null | 0 | 1315978211 | False | 0 | c2jr2h6 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jr2h6 | t1_c2jqy2x | null | 1427598017 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | This session will tell us the truth of the matter. Alas it isn't until thrusday monrning and won't be published online until much later.
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/TOOL-690C | null | 0 | 1315978374 | False | 0 | c2jr335 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jr335 | t1_c2jqqda | null | 1427598027 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | I wouldn't be so against it if they didn't censor apps. Apple's app censorship has been an issue many times, and Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 Marketplace ran into some controversy over the banning of some open-source licenses from the store. As a heavy user of open-source GPL licensed software in Windows (Firefox, VLC, OpenOffice, Pidgin, and many more), I do not like Microsoft's attitude towards their WP7 Marketplace censorship. I wouldn't mind as much if the Windows store permitted all licenses (automatically updating all my apps would be nice) but I also would be a bit concerned about Microsoft's intentions to promote its own software over others. Please correct me if I'm wrong about the Windows store, I'm just concerned from the WP7 incident. | null | 0 | 1315978499 | False | 0 | c2jr3jc | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr3jc | t1_c2jqs2c | null | 1427598035 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jyper | null | > An idiosyncratic programming environment, the colors simplify Forth's semantics, speed compiling, and are said to aid Moore's own poor eyesight: colorForth uses different colors in its source code (replacing some of the punctuation in Forth) to determine how different words are treated.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorForth | null | 0 | 1315978589 | False | 0 | c2jr3tu | t3_ke5ao | null | t1_c2jr3tu | t1_c2jjn6u | null | 1427598038 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | The only thing sadder than Windows fanboi's are Visual Studio fanboi's. | null | 0 | 1315978647 | False | 0 | c2jr41d | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jr41d | t3_kf1ue | null | 1427598050 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Okay, thanks. I have not used SVN for the large projects I work on now so I wasn't entirely sure. | null | 0 | 1315978778 | False | 0 | c2jr4hp | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jr4hp | t1_c2jqs7e | null | 1427598047 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | VirtualBox bluescreened Windows during the first post-install boot. Never again. Not gonna risk it.
The Metro thing makes sense, given I don't recall neither VMWare nor VirtualBox emulating very powerful video cards. | null | 0 | 1315978885 | False | 0 | c2jr4u6 | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jr4u6 | t1_c2jr2h6 | null | 1427598052 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | b0dhi | null | >WinRT: An Object Orientated Replacement for Win32
>Object Orientated
>Orientated
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True | [deleted] | null | What purpose does an iPad (and similar) actually serve to begin with as opposed to just having a "boring old" laptop or netbook? I haven't really figured that out yet ...
I mean I get the smartphone thing; it's small and is meant to go in your pocket so it warrants having a different UI and methods of interaction etc.. | null | 0 | 1315979104 | False | 0 | c2jr5l1 | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jr5l1 | t1_c2jr0ma | null | 1427598070 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | teahugger | null | Sorry but this is not as big of a deal as you think it is. I can log in to any windows machine using LogMeIn for iPad: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20002748-243.html
Sure it's not running natively but the point is that there is always a way to be productive if you really want to. The real problem is that it would be insanely hard to program on and work with non-touch optimized apps on a tablet. | null | 0 | 1315979181 | False | 0 | c2jr5uw | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jr5uw | t3_kf1ue | null | 1427598066 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Anyone got luck with running this on VMware? | null | 0 | 1315979284 | False | 0 | c2jr679 | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jr679 | t3_kewkd | null | 1427598068 | 35 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315979411 | False | 0 | c2jr6nf | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jr6nf | t1_c2jr5l1 | null | 1427598073 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | b0dhi | null | You brain no work good. | null | 0 | 1315979412 | False | 0 | c2jr6nl | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr6nl | t1_c2jnddy | null | 1427598073 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | washort | null | The difference is that Javascript is a thing we have now that's being developed in the open.
Dart is a thing we don't have now, because it's not being developed in the open. | null | 0 | 1315979548 | False | 0 | c2jr74b | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2jr74b | t1_c2jmy8e | null | 1427598077 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | oSand | null | Why can't you provide limited dialects of Scala? Yes, you don't want the Java Corporate Programmer fucking around with continuations, but you could select some relatively understandable subset of features and provide tools that exclude everything else. | null | 0 | 1315979748 | False | 0 | c2jr7s2 | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jr7s2 | t3_kf2xi | null | 1427598082 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mappu | null | I downloaded and installed the beta this afternoon. Some points in order of me noticing them;
* Install process is very quick
* You can use the mouse to select an OS
* Post-install OOBE is very IE-first-start like and i feel like it pulled the wool over my eyes a bit in terms of customisation
* The start menu is *completley gone*
* Lots of things want to be fullscreen all the time
* No idea how to close a metro program
* Metro programs seem to have their process suspended when you switch away from them. I guess that's good for tablets
* Explorer is weird, the fonts are weird, the new control style and button style are weird
* UAC seems to hide every single other window when it pops up. This is probably an implementation detail (did they implement the metro interface as a separate NT desktop object?)
* It comes with .NET 4.5 and IE 10. SUA is deprecated(!)
* Kinda unintuitive to use as a desktop OS, and probably not going to suffice as a tablet OS (although it could get there)
* The new task manager does look good. It's nice to have the resource monitor integrated. I don't completley understand what causes segregation in the tasks ("processes") pane, and i'm a little upset that the real process view is continually demoted
* VS seems to have first-class JS support, but the included build only supports making metro projects
* Multimonitor taskbars work well, but seem to be an artifact of the way metro was implemented (desktop object?) more than anything
* Multiple monitors: You can't swipe-from-left on the right-hand monitor. You have to use win-tab, which seems to blank out the other monitor
* Debugging a metro application works fine, but it fills the entire screen. This is likely going to be impossible to work with unless all developers have multiple monitors. You can debug fine in split mode.
* When you put the classic desktop onto the smaller split, it doesn't show everything properly, just shows aero previews of the open windows. I can see the split mode having some uses, but the entire desktop metaphor is weakened for the few advantages that could be replaced by e.g. a taskbar with an html control
* Metro split is really easy to break. Resizing the classic desktop is not particularly robust.
* Encountered lots and lots of occasions when either a whole monitor, or 75% of it turns that dark green shade
* Media center could perhaps be a killer app for metro-ui on the desktop, but it's not included with this build
* There are two different onscreen keyboards. One of them tries very hard to look like a metro frame, but doesn't quite get there = inconsistency
* weird flickering when changing ribbon tabs in explorer with the ribbon minimised
* unlocking the computer is *slow*. The screen where you enter your password has a "submit" button. Submit? How very HTML4
* Metro apps resize properly when you put them on a particular monitor, but don't resize properly if you move them
* Moving the taskbar to the top of the screen moves the start button with it, but the metro start menu still appears if you move your mouse to the lower left corner
* You can move the taskbars on multiple monitors independently (e.g. you could have one on the left of one screen, and on the right on another screen). There are a couple options concerning how they look and what is shown, etc
* A way you can tell that the metro interface is just "tacked on": changing the classic-desktop windows theme greys out any metro monitors as well
* Classic theme is gone
* Basic theme uses dwm (gpu acceleration)
* The advanced appearance panel is MIA
* Some web links from the classic desktop open in the fullscreen metro IE (!)
* NTFS is still version 3.1, driver has changed to 6.2, basically as expected
* Lots of strange bugs to do with the mouse freezing around UAC. Changing it to not dim helps a lot
* Objects in the metro start menu have different types and it's not at all obvious why. Hence there's a bit of inconsistency
* WEI scores have changed; graphics-related scores are lower in Win8 than Win7, everything else stayed the same
* All the menus in DC++ are completley black (probably breaks all Smartwin-based apps)
* Shutting down is difficult. I don't even know where that's gone. shutdown -s -t 0 still works
* Logging off took two whole minutes, and then failed and took me back to the desktop
* The bootloader lets you use the mouse, it looks nice and all, but requires a reboot / rePOST to change OS. I suspect it's not so much a bootloader rather than an early part of the OS itself
I expect there will be lots of negative reactions about metro online within the next couple of days. It wouldn't be so bad if you could just ignore it, but they've ruined the start menu and it has become a huge hassle to simply open programs and navigate around the home folder, libraries, filesystem etc | null | 0 | 1315979822 | False | 0 | c2jr80j | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr80j | t3_kejwo | null | 1427598083 | 79 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | > Robert Burchfield, in the Third Edition of Fowler’s Modern English Usage, says “one can have no fundamental quarrel with anyone who decides to use the longer of the two words”.
If it's ok with Burchfield and Fowler then it is ok by me. | null | 0 | 1315979967 | False | 0 | c2jr8gr | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr8gr | t1_c2jr55j | null | 1427598089 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | asteroidB612 | null | 10:1 he is back in another few years finished w/ Clojure b/c it gets NIL wrong and isn't a real Lisp. People, when will you learn that all roads lead to Lisp? | null | 0 | 1315980225 | False | 0 | c2jr9bh | t3_kcpdg | null | t1_c2jr9bh | t3_kcpdg | null | 1427598101 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kristovaher | null | Not really useful, but cheers :) | null | 0 | 1315980238 | False | 0 | c2jr9cz | t3_hvlbb | null | t1_c2jr9cz | t3_hvlbb | null | 1427598101 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | propool | null | Ok fess up guys. We were supposed to keep this thread to 256 comments. Who made number 257? You just are this guy who ruins it for everybody. Hope you are happy now. Quick someone write a script to find the offender. We must prepare the tar and feathers. | null | 0 | 1315980239 | False | 0 | c2jr9d5 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jr9d5 | t3_ke58q | null | 1427598101 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | b0dhi | null | As long as Burchfield and Fowler are ok with it, then I guess it's acceptationical. | null | 0 | 1315980373 | False | 0 | c2jr9rg | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr9rg | t1_c2jr8gr | null | 1427598106 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mikemcg | null | I think Microsoft even has directions up for running Windows 8 on VMWare, but they were the exact steps I took and it just didn't work.
Then I tried VirtualBox and it seems to hate that I'm running Windows XP and won't install. | null | 0 | 1315980423 | False | 0 | c2jr9xm | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jr9xm | t1_c2jqmbk | null | 1427598109 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | newbill123 | null | Not debating software (since it requires new stuff), but the physical iPad hardware has advantages like:
* Huge battery life.
* Doesn't require TSA to remove from bag
* Can easily cart it to the bathroom so it doesn't get stolen in Starbucks
* Can more easily clean 1 glass surface than a laptop keyboard
* Easier to share the screen with two people than a phone
* Can easily pass around to others at the table than a laptop
* Brighter display than a pico projector for sharing
* Can be operated by two year olds and grandparents with no mouse skills
* Can be used in portrait mode for books and reading
* Can be used in landscape mode for movies
Getting your data on and off is key though. If you have no important data on it, then it's a toy. If you can use real data (or share that data via Dropbox or cloud services) then it's not.
There are reasons the tablet form factor stinks, but the direct manipulation input offers a different form of input than is common with mouse based / 1 point of contact interface. This may not be at all relevant if you don't have software that takes advantage of multi-touch input. But for some applications it's great (but to each his own on what software benefits from it).
One other good thing about the iOS (not related to the tablet form specifically) was that Apple had a chance to redo their accessibility standards for vast improvements.
[Edit: I'm looking forward to Windows 8 to see if Microsoft is offering a motivating competitor in the marketplace. The better it is; the stronger the whole tablet and desktop world becomes. We'll see.] | null | 0 | 1315980477 | True | 0 | c2jra3h | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jra3h | t1_c2jr5l1 | null | 1427598111 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | So why can't I find an option to revert to the Classic interface? It doesn't appear to exist in this release, at least without digging through the Registry. This release does not show two UI options, it only shows one. If it does indeed have both options included, they did not make it easy to switch between them.
I understand that this is a very early release and it may not be polished, but they did not make any reference in the download page or OS that an alternative to the new menu exists or will exist. | null | 0 | 1315980514 | False | 0 | c2jra7f | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jra7f | t1_c2jq1ni | null | 1427598117 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | domlebo70 | null | So you just copy this post directly? | null | 0 | 1315980535 | False | 0 | c2jra9s | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jra9s | t3_kf2xi | null | 1427598113 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | My experience with Windows shows that things like to run in the background, and I figured it would likely have a backend component (in Services) that would be on all the time, checking for updates and new content. This uses resources and I don't like adding more background processes as it wastes memory and CPU. | null | 0 | 1315980718 | False | 0 | c2jraug | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jraug | t1_c2jpu0c | null | 1427598120 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cube3x3 | null | Its great reading device. I am not talking about just ebooks or reddit, its great for finding things quickly while lying in your bed. As long as your ratio of reading to writing is more than 2:1 then tablet is the best device to use even if you have your laptop with you. | null | 0 | 1315980953 | False | 0 | c2jrbjf | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jrbjf | t1_c2jr5l1 | null | 1427598130 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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