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True | [deleted] | null | Looks like Microsoft is completely full of shit when talking about WinRT being C++ based - every example of C++ code I could find made heavy use of C++/CLI-style extensions. ***That's not C++.***
I mean, I don't really mind that they feel the need to extend the language to fit their needs. Reminds me a bit of Objective-C - but at least Apple actually calls it Objective-C. Somebody at MS needs to man up and admit that nothing in WinRT is actual C++. | null | 0 | 1315980979 | True | 0 | c2jrbm3 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrbm3 | t1_c2jq43r | null | 1427598131 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | evolved | null | i prefer, personally, to use free&free tools, but have used visual studio at work for more than a decade, and I have to admit that it is an excellent ide.
Bloated? Sure. Way too much random shit strapped in? You bet. But it really is an excellent tool, especially the integrated debugging experience it provides. | null | 0 | 1315981076 | False | 0 | c2jrbvv | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jrbvv | t1_c2jr41d | null | 1427598134 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | I don't have an answer for you yet. This session is supposed to cover what we are supposed to do. I'm pretty sure it isn't build more Windows Services.
http://channel9.msdn.com/events/BUILD/BUILD2011/APP-410T
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True | rizla7 | null | how can you even compare a remote login/vnc/rdp to local OS? your argument makes no sense considering that you can't develop/debug on the device? what? the? | null | 0 | 1315981339 | False | 0 | c2jrcod | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jrcod | t1_c2jr5uw | null | 1427598144 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | piderman | null | I believe the W7 preview build stopped working 30 days after the official release. They give you ample time to take out your wallet but you can't use these preview builds indefinitely :) | null | 0 | 1315981801 | False | 0 | c2jre0v | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jre0v | t1_c2jqkay | null | 1427598165 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | there is a version that comes with Visual Studio 11 Express. Beta or similar. | null | 0 | 1315981907 | False | 0 | c2jrebs | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrebs | t1_c2jpe86 | null | 1427598170 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | They promised a lot of improvements for Visual C++ in the next VS. And you still have the choice of using Visual Assist X to improve C++ experience. Anyway, I code in C# so idk much about it. | null | 0 | 1315981995 | False | 0 | c2jrel1 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrel1 | t1_c2jp073 | null | 1427598172 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | fuck microsoft, apple and google (in this order) | null | 0 | 1315982087 | False | 0 | c2jreud | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jreud | t1_c2jooou | null | 1428194162 | -15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | >I'm suggesting branches are too heavyweight in SVN. I would use them for substantial diversions in development
First, creating a branch is very cheap in SVN. Depending on what you're branching off, it's more costly getting the local copy of the content.
Second, it looks like there's a significant difference of opinion right there. A lot of people (me included) are OK with using branches for *almost any* development.
New feature? Branch, then loop(work, commit, merge from trunk, the three in no particular order), then merge to trunk when done. This aproach +/- common with svn, and I've heard TFS administrators (well, one, but really a 100% TFS person) saying the same.
So yes, I think that creating a branch should be done without a blink. But I don't understand how you can go from there to "few dozen branches every day". There's no need to have a "branch per commit" (check-in), you know, nor did I imply that. If you have one commit for some work chunk, no need to branch. | null | 0 | 1315982208 | False | 0 | c2jrf6o | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jrf6o | t1_c2jk8st | null | 1427598187 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ascii | null | You're clouding the issue by comparing apples to oranges. Java the language is equivalent to C#. Java the bytecode format is equivalent to CIL. Java the VM is equivalent to .Net. Just like with CIL, there are dozens of languages targeting the Java bytecode, including cool functional languages, dynamic languages and a bunch of languages that where originally not meant to run on that VM. Ruby, Closure, Scala, JavaScript all run on the Java VM, along with many others.
And Java the VM has dozens of high quality implementations focuesed on different areas, unlike .Net. The fastest ones are significantly faster than .Net, while the leanest ones are much smaller and have far leaner system requirements than .Net. Java implementations exist for virtually every major current CPU architecture, something that definitely is untrue for .Net. Java can go many places where .Net can't.
If you're going to standardize on a bytecode format instead of on a language, Java bytecode makes sense and .Net seems like a terrible choice. | null | 0 | 1315982273 | False | 0 | c2jrfdg | t3_kcwx2 | null | t1_c2jrfdg | t1_c2jka8u | null | 1427598196 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | Seems fair to me. Thanks for the background. | null | 0 | 1315982277 | False | 0 | c2jrfe0 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrfe0 | t1_c2jre0v | null | 1427598196 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It isn't c++/CLI but something with nearly identical syntax, which means the whole idea of WinRT being based on C++ is a complete sham. | null | 0 | 1315982381 | False | 0 | c2jrfos | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jrfos | t1_c2jqmh5 | null | 1427598194 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jonnyvice | null | now microsoft has joined gnome and unity in the "i'm gonna fuck up a perfectly good desktop gui up, right in the fucking ear" group
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True | j-posty | null | Some settings that worked for me as well: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=200748#p200748 | null | 0 | 1315982519 | False | 0 | c2jrg1t | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrg1t | t1_c2jqmbk | null | 1427598206 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | henk53 | null | >First class support for GET in JSF? When did that happen? Can you now do more stateless/restful style urls?
It happened over 2 years ago in version 2.0. You always could use 'stateless' URLs (non-POSTS), but there was no particular framework support for this.
In particular this meant no (easy) way to attach converters and validators to GET parameters and subsequently invoke business logic.
Now there are the so-called view parameters which do exactly this in combination with the preRenderView event. There are also a couple of non-post components in the standard component set, like "button" and "link". | null | 0 | 1315982624 | False | 0 | c2jrgbt | t3_kdv51 | null | t1_c2jrgbt | t1_c2jopwl | null | 1427598201 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mydaum | null | Yes, but I'm in Sweden. | null | 0 | 1315982644 | False | 0 | c2jrgdk | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrgdk | t1_c2jkhzb | null | 1427598202 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | EvilPigeon | null | This link received some love over in r\DotNet, it's a shame it didn't quite make it here. I would have liked to see some more discussion on this. | null | 0 | 1315982740 | False | 0 | c2jrgng | t3_kegnz | null | t1_c2jrgng | t3_kegnz | null | 1427598206 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315982792 | False | 0 | c2jrgs2 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrgs2 | t1_c2jq8wb | null | 1427598206 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mappu | null | Yeah, I couldn't get that out of my head either. It seems like there's a vendetta against the tried-and-true desktop metaphor for no adequately explained reason other than a sort of touch-mania.
Windows/gnome/etc need the quiet, continual evolution that they've been getting for the past 10 years, not these radical shifts. | null | 0 | 1315982856 | False | 0 | c2jrgxx | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrgxx | t1_c2jrfsm | null | 1427598209 | 28 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315982915 | False | 0 | c2jrh3x | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrh3x | t1_c2jm53c | null | 1427598211 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stesch | null | Why was the name changed? | null | 0 | 1315982921 | False | 0 | c2jrh46 | t3_kf4hn | null | t1_c2jrh46 | t3_kf4hn | null | 1427598211 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | anonymous_hero | null | You just don't want to give up, do you?
In my previous message, I did acknowledge that browser vendors do get paid, even if it doesn't make sense to pay them.
But yeah, let's just call it a day.
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315983109 | False | 0 | c2jrhls | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrhls | t1_c2jr18j | null | 1427598215 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bonzinip | null | I guess to make it sound more cool? ;) | null | 0 | 1315983198 | False | 0 | c2jrhu3 | t3_kf4hn | null | t1_c2jrhu3 | t1_c2jrh46 | null | 1427598217 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | But that's exactly what I was doing with SVN. Here, a... workflow:
* need a significant feature in project X of a solution Y
* branch that project in "branches"
* put aside local copy of the original project (e.g. rename X to X_)
* get branched project into "X"
* work loop: change, commit, merge from trunk ("main"), in no particular order
* when done, merge branched X into trunk
What could possibly go wrong ;-)? And if all is nicely relative WRT project dependencies, you can even work on X_ in the meantime. But to be frank, this approach would possibly crap out with VS/TFS integration. With SVN, I just used tortoise (I found Ankh, svn plug-in for VS clumsy; perhaps there's better, but I didn't look hard). | null | 0 | 1315983268 | False | 0 | c2jri0k | t3_kc5di | null | t1_c2jri0k | t1_c2jm6l9 | null | 1427598218 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | deverdev | null | He didn't win either.
As much as some people like notch, there were 12 people in this competition alone that produced better games (for whatever definition of better) than notch.
And noone mentions them as heroes since they are not loudmouth selfpromoters like notch is. | null | 0 | 1315983548 | False | 0 | c2jripu | t3_kepcp | null | t1_c2jripu | t1_c2jqsmt | null | 1427598232 | -13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | that isnt an IL. java is the language so it can't be the IL. they are simply x-compilers targetting the java bytecode. :\ how can java be faster if it doesn't use native code? sure, it can, but its a pain in the ass whereas .net runtime calls native code directly. i'd like to see some of your evidence for this.
nobody really cares about 'leanness' so much any more. cpus are getting more efficient, batteries as well. in 5-10 years, mobile cpus will use 10% of the power they do today and batteries will have 300% more juice. do the math = 3000% more efficient. sure java can go on a calculator. many shits were given that day.
this property of future electronics also means that dev costs will soon start to outweigh hardware costs (actually, they already have for startups, especially in the RAD world). and as MS put it at the build conf. find me one other technology where i can write this same app in 48 lines of code... just not gonna happen. i remember a class i once made in about 15 lines of code, the c++ version of the same thing at work was over 800 lines... not sure what the java woulda looked like, but not 15 lines, thats for sure. more like 200-400. :\
the problem in general is the nature of open-source dev. there is not real 'cohesive vision', projects are fragmented, little coordination amongst all the various projects. | null | 0 | 1315983600 | False | 0 | c2jriua | t3_kcwx2 | null | t1_c2jriua | t1_c2jrfdg | null | 1427598234 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | crappykoreabot | null | Try hitting Start+D, [Link](http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-classic-desktop-features-video/).
You should be able to switch between the standard desktop and metro desktop easily. | null | 0 | 1315983666 | False | 0 | c2jrj0f | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrj0f | t1_c2jqv9h | null | 1427598235 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | meddlepal | null | It would be a lot of work to provide separate "dialects" of a language. The best that could be done is to provide, per-organization strong coding guidelines that prohibits certain things; for example, in my mind the worst thing Scala offers is the ability to invent new operators (yes I am aware operators are just methods in Scala - but I think the point remains). It's hard to figure out what ++~= does, especially if two or more libraries implement it differently.
There is also the legitimate question to ask: what is the point of using Scala if you're going to limit your developers to using only half of the languages features? You get a slightly more concise version of Java, but you miss a lot of the big benefits also.
If you really want a limited version of Scala, then I think JetBrains is aiming at that market with Kotlin which offers a lot of the good and easy to understand parts of Scala while removing the harder and more complicated parts. | null | 0 | 1315983691 | False | 0 | c2jrj2u | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jrj2u | t1_c2jr7s2 | null | 1427598237 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itsmeee | null | Definitely virtualbox it. | null | 0 | 1315983794 | False | 0 | c2jrjbo | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrjbo | t1_c2jp9ts | null | 1427598239 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | keithb | null | It would be nice if more discussions of marginal languages paid more attention to social and economic factors in this way. Many language communities seem to image that their language deserves to do well on its technical merits alone and resent the suggestion that this is unlikely to occur. | null | 0 | 1315983842 | False | 0 | c2jrjgn | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jrjgn | t3_kf2xi | null | 1427598240 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itsmeee | null | http://www.sysprobs.com/guide-install-windows-8-virtualbox
Great guide. I was having trouble on my i5 iMac under VMware Fusion but a quick google and a few setting changes later it was up and running :)
edit: Reread the guide and your CPU needs to support Hardware Virtualization Technology (VT) or it will hang with a black box which it sounds like your computer is doing. Best option I think for you would be to partition and install it along side your current OS. | null | 0 | 1315983899 | False | 0 | c2jrjlx | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrjlx | t1_c2jqrj9 | null | 1428194158 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itsmeee | null | http://www.sysprobs.com/guide-install-windows-8-virtualbox
It may be something more then XP. Your CPU needs to support Hardware Virtualization Technology (VT) or it will hang with a black box. | null | 0 | 1315983988 | False | 0 | c2jrjtb | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrjtb | t1_c2jr9xm | null | 1427598250 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | Reading on the link, Component Extensions seems to mirror the C++/CLI model, but creating an ABI rather than a mixed-mode DLL, allowing use by native applications.
In fact, reading further, I find this little snippet:
>If you are familiar with C++/CLI, you will notice that the Component Extensions look very similar to C++/CLI syntax. However, in a Metro style app or Windows Runtime component, all the C++ code is native. The /Zw compiler option causes the Component Extensions to be compiled for Windows Runtime. The /cli compiler option causes them to be compiled for C++/CLI. Currently, C++/CLI is not supported for Metro style apps.
That last bit is particularly important: It's basically C++/CLI-looking sugar (and supporting library) for WinRT-based native C++. | null | 0 | 1315983992 | True | 0 | c2jrjtr | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jrjtr | t1_c2jqyk6 | null | 1427598250 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | And when it stops being about the consumer, that is when you as a product start to fail.
| null | 0 | 1315984033 | True | 0 | c2jrjxi | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2jrjxi | t1_c2jl5gr | null | 1427598251 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | I got downvotes for having pretty much the same feeling... Unity was garbage when it released and I'm sticking with GNOME 2. When Ubuntu 11.10 ships, if GNOME 3's fallback interface hasn't improved significantly I will refuse to update. Seriously, GNOME 2 is a great interface, it's tried-and-true, widely used, and well documented. It's intuitive. GNOME 3 is some designer's crazed idea of how we can mash a half-baked desktop UI onto a tablet.
At least Microsoft intends to keep the classic UI (which I will happily continue using), but I do not see any reference or setting to change to it in this development build. If it is dropped, then I don't think I'll be upgrading Windows either. I couldn't care less about a touch-friendly UI when my target machine is a 3-monitor gaming desktop controlled by keyboard and mouse. We already have Android/iOS for tablets, let them stay in their own market sector. You can't have a one-size-fits-all interface when your target devices are so drastically different. | null | 0 | 1315984042 | False | 0 | c2jrjya | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrjya | t1_c2jrfsm | null | 1427598251 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | itsmeee | null | ICP is on Reddit now? | null | 0 | 1315984127 | False | 0 | c2jrk65 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrk65 | t1_c2jreud | null | 1427598252 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Igosuki | null | Omg 8-4 | null | 0 | 1315984247 | False | 0 | c2jrkg9 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrkg9 | t1_c2jpdh4 | null | 1427598255 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315984292 | False | 0 | c2jrkkk | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrkkk | t1_c2jm53c | null | 1427598255 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | Visual Studio has some cool features, but I really don't see the need for C/C++ either. I prefer to do my C/C++ coding in Linux when possible, and I just use gedit most of the time. I like Visual Studio for building GUI's, but for cross-platform coding (with GTK+/GTKMM) it doesn't help.
VS is nice for throwing a quick VB app together, but that's all I really use it for. | null | 0 | 1315984299 | False | 0 | c2jrkl8 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrkl8 | t1_c2jp7p2 | null | 1427598257 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | What kind of C++ is it? Managed C++? That would run on .net, but some articles about WinRT say that it's native C++.
Is it C++ with MS extensions?
Can you post a sample link to this kind of C++? | null | 0 | 1315984317 | False | 0 | c2jrkmr | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrkmr | t1_c2jrbm3 | null | 1427598257 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | As someone who moved from a paid subscription of mail.com to gmail as well I can tell you it is only a headache for a short period of time.
Sure you can capitulate, but they are not locked in.
[edit] btw in your example. In order to force SPDY on the end user, they would need to disable POP3 + Mail forwarding. Which I think would alienate more users then just using SPDY. | null | 0 | 1315984483 | True | 0 | c2jrl0k | t3_kc9ai | null | t1_c2jrl0k | t1_c2jjriv | null | 1427598261 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SystemicPlural | null | > var person = function(name){
> var self = this;
> var knowledge = {};
> var profit = false;
>
> becomeAProgrammer = function(family){
> for(var i in family){
> if(!family.hasOwnProperty(i)) continue;
> // @todo Check this family member is a person.
> family[i].notifyFriend(self, "works with computers");
> }
> self.profit = true;
> }
>
> notifyFriend = function(a_person, message){
> knowledge[] = {
> who : a_person,
> info : message
> };
> }
> };
>
> family = [
> new person("mother"),
> new person("father"),
> new person("sister"),
> new person("brother"),
> new person("uncle"),
> ];
> me = new person("SystemicPlural");
> me.becomeAProgrammer(family);
FTFY
Demonstrating that implementation is always more work than you think. | null | 0 | 1315984528 | False | 0 | c2jrl49 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrl49 | t1_c2jm53c | null | 1427598262 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CalcProgrammer1 | null | I got it to boot in VirtualBox with minimal configuration, just gave it 50GB disk (it doesn't actually use that much), 2GB RAM, 2 CPU's (on my i7) with all acceleration options enabled, 128MB Video RAM with 2D/3D accel enabled.
Unfortunately, the guest additions do not install and I didn't get networking to work either (might just need to change network card, didn't really care). This means no true 3D acceleration, but surprisingly the animations are still smooth with software acceleration. This is definitely an improvement from the current Win7 Aero implementation.
The classic start menu is unavailable from what I've read, and unless you have a touchscreen PC to play with it will likely be a disappointment, as the Metro UI doesn't work very well with keyboard and mouse (which is why I see the whole thing as rather pointless, as touchscreen PC's are fairly rare). | null | 0 | 1315984598 | False | 0 | c2jrl92 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrl92 | t1_c2jp9ts | null | 1427598263 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | trezor2 | null | We're all very excited about the new Windows 8 developer preview, but while this is definitely new content, it's still just a link to a MSDN index-page ;) | null | 0 | 1315984718 | False | 0 | c2jrlj7 | t3_kf1hv | null | t1_c2jrlj7 | t3_kf1hv | null | 1427598266 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jonforthewin | null | ActiveX, HTML5 edition. | null | 0 | 1315984723 | False | 0 | c2jrljs | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jrljs | t3_kewaq | null | 1427598266 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | Nope, it seems GDC + D2 is used successfully. But LDC + D2 is not yet completely functional. At least that's the impression I got from #D. | null | 0 | 1315984839 | False | 0 | c2jrltq | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2jrltq | t1_c2jc7vw | null | 1427598268 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | Just to clarify the title. The previous competition they had, the winner had 0 knowledge of XPages and won.
Winners get a choice of:
> 1) Apple iPad 2, 64 GB Wifi or 32 GB 3G
> 2) Apple iPhone 5, 32 GB if available in December
> 3) Amazon voucher for $800 if available in your country (if available)
You can download the Domino Designer 8.5.2 client for free at:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/dominodesigner/
8.5.3 is due out next month last I heard.
XPages is GUI based on Dojo, CSS, SSJS, Java. So if you have any knowledge in that area you are already ahead.
Good list of learning materials:
http://xpages.info/Internal/home.nsf/dx/Learn-XPages-Month
Good luck everyone. :)
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True | iLiekCaeks | null | See nascent's reply.
Also there are some things about dmd that are... very unpolished. If you use D seriously, you'll probably bump into some bugs or unimplemented features pretty soon.
I'd go as far as saying that dmd is a piece of shit, and sdc's is D's only hope for a reasonable compiler (sdc is still in early development, though). | null | 0 | 1315984973 | False | 0 | c2jrm4i | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2jrm4i | t1_c2jcww7 | null | 1427598270 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sod1864 | null | Oh and if anyone needs any help, direction feel free to respond and I'll see if I can help. | null | 0 | 1315985023 | False | 0 | c2jrm8k | t3_kf587 | null | t1_c2jrm8k | t3_kf587 | null | 1427598270 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | newbill123 | null | The Windows patform can be cult-like in its lack of understanding of anything outside of MS Developers?
Can you elaborate? | null | 0 | 1315985031 | False | 0 | c2jrm96 | t3_hq4zm | null | t1_c2jrm96 | t1_c1zdpya | null | 1427598270 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | You completely ignore community and project management issues.
Like, D claims to be a community driven project, when the community (of which Tango and Tango users were a very big part) is simply ignored when decisions are finalized.
I think the root of the problem is that Walter is a bad community leader/project manager, and Andrei hates Tango for some reason (probably started with clashing with some Tango developers in the past, or something like this... I think the NG flames even made Andrei leave for a while, until he made a "great comeback"). | null | 0 | 1315985143 | False | 0 | c2jrmi1 | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2jrmi1 | t1_c2jcghw | null | 1427598282 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamatsu | null | I taught a deaf and mostly blind guy theorem proving once. He used huge glasses and a massive font to read one character at a time. Basically they do it with insanely good memory. | null | 0 | 1315985315 | False | 0 | c2jrmw9 | t3_ke5ao | null | t1_c2jrmw9 | t3_ke5ao | null | 1427598278 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | So... .NET guy seemed the most reasonable participant of that discussion. | null | 0 | 1315985316 | False | 0 | c2jrmwb | t3_kf53s | null | t1_c2jrmwb | t3_kf53s | null | 1427598278 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh464924(v=VS.85).aspx#asynchronous_patterns_inwith_c
All those ^ are part of C++/CLI.
Edit: Reddit cant parse that url.. | null | 0 | 1315985357 | True | 0 | c2jrmzg | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrmzg | t1_c2jrkmr | null | 1427598284 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | Fun fact, although possibly somewhat off-topic: I once got a big speed boost when appending lots of elements to a vector by implementing it myself and using realloc() instead of malloc()+free() under the hood.
The trick is that realloc() can use the [mremap](http://linux.die.net/man/2/mremap) Linux syscall that allows a copy free realloc with big (i.e. mmap'ed) allocations.
(You don't need to tell me that I "should" preallocate, that std::vector usually preallocates, and that realloc() won't work with non-POD types.) | null | 0 | 1315985423 | False | 0 | c2jrn3x | t3_kf43e | null | t1_c2jrn3x | t3_kf43e | null | 1427598284 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | PhantomRacer | null | Damn, I missed it. | null | 0 | 1315985529 | False | 0 | c2jrnc5 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrnc5 | t3_ke58q | null | 1427598296 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | patrickbarnes | null | Hahaha.
Yeah, that's going to be REALLY usable with tiny ass fonts and an app not made for touch input.
Windows 8 is going to be massive fail. | null | 0 | 1315985550 | False | 0 | c2jrndn | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jrndn | t3_kf1ue | null | 1427598289 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | otterdam | null | > How do you ensure your test is accurate?
If you have to ask yourself "is the expected result *really* what I want this function to perform?" perhaps you shouldn't write anything at all. | null | 0 | 1315985567 | False | 0 | c2jrnf7 | t3_kepcp | null | t1_c2jrnf7 | t1_c2jqp2i | null | 1427598289 | 20 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | Yeah, that's definitely managed C++, Microsoft's frankenstein attempt at shoehorning C++ into .NET.
But [this article](http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/09/WinRT-API) claims that WinRT is available to native C++. | null | 0 | 1315985728 | False | 0 | c2jrns6 | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrns6 | t1_c2jrmzg | null | 1427598303 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | clawoo | null | That is one ugly piece of code. | null | 0 | 1315985776 | False | 0 | c2jrnvn | t3_kf43e | null | t1_c2jrnvn | t3_kf43e | null | 1427598298 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fettlesthoracic | null | Automatic [Reddit Advertising, Vote, and Commenting Bot](http://www.redditroll.com) dislikes this submission | null | 0 | 1315985882 | False | 0 | c2jro30 | t3_kcii9 | null | t1_c2jro30 | t3_kcii9 | null | 1427598305 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | C++ has had a rather long history of proprietary extensions. I still remember learning C++ with Open MPI back in college (though most of the assignments were actually done with FORTRAN).
So while it isn't straight C++, saying it is "a complete sham" is a bit of a stretch. | null | 0 | 1315985924 | False | 0 | c2jro6h | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jro6h | t1_c2jrfos | null | 1427598301 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | trezor2 | null | Pretty slow. I get 5MB/s+. | null | 0 | 1315985963 | False | 0 | c2jro9q | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jro9q | t1_c2jqczn | null | 1427598304 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | go blow a turtle
ps: your mom is a gay fagg, asshole
ps1: you sister sucked my dick all night
ps2: and your dog!! loser | null | 0 | 1315986004 | False | 0 | c2jrocs | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrocs | t1_c2jrk65 | null | 1428194157 | -10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KyteM | null | So I read a bit, and it's C++/CLI style syntax, but *it compiles down to native C++*. The ^, for instance, means a refcounted COM/WinRT object, with a "public ref class sealed" presumably inheriting from Platform::Object rather than the .NET System::Object.
They are calling this [Component Extensions](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh454076%28v=VS.85%29.aspx).
Most relevant quote:
>If you are familiar with C++/CLI, you will notice that the Component Extensions look very similar to C++/CLI syntax. However, in a Metro style app or Windows Runtime component, all the C++ code is native. The /Zw compiler option causes the Component Extensions to be compiled for Windows Runtime. The /cli compiler option causes them to be compiled for C++/CLI. **Currently, C++/CLI is not supported for Metro style apps**
Emphasis mine. It's essentially native C++ with tons of C++/CLI-looking syntax sugar/compiler support and a special standard library. Sorta like a native .NET, if you pardon the oxymoron.
So it's not pure C++ *syntax*, but it's still a pure C++ *binary*. | null | 0 | 1315986063 | True | 0 | c2jrogw | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrogw | t1_c2jrbm3 | null | 1427598307 | 15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | agiantman | null | I don't know how to continue the conversation, at all. | null | 0 | 1315986328 | False | 0 | c2jrozm | t3_kf53s | null | t1_c2jrozm | t3_kf53s | null | 1427598312 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | xon_xoff | null | What's interesting about these extensions is that the docs emphatically say they are native, and furthermore, reference counted:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh454076%28v=VS.85%29.aspx
I'd like to look at the generated code once I have the build running to be sure, but this sounds like the Win8 team decided not to use mark-and-sweep garbage collection or a VM at all. This means no annoyances with pinning or lack of 16-byte alignment support (yay), but problems with cycles (boo).
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True | antonivs | null | At the bottom there's a reference which says "from our JCG partner David Pollak at the GOOD STUFF blog." | null | 0 | 1315986400 | False | 0 | c2jrp5j | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jrp5j | t1_c2jra9s | null | 1427598314 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Taladar | null | So basically what he is saying is that a language is bad in the hands of those who resent using it and those who lack the ability to use it.
I don't that part isn't very controversial.
I would question the assumption that it is not a good idea to fire developers of low ability who lack a will to improve, given the high percentage of failed projects in our industry that sounds as if they might at least be part of the problem. | null | 0 | 1315986431 | False | 0 | c2jrp7m | t3_kf2xi | null | t1_c2jrp7m | t3_kf2xi | null | 1427598315 | 25 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Xarnon | null | > Minecraft is extremely buggy
No. *Dead Island* is extremely buggy. Sure, MC has bugs after every major release, but they'll get fixed pretty fast.
> Notch is a lazy programmer
The only good programmer is a [lazy programmer](http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2005-08-24-n14.html). | null | 0 | 1315986584 | False | 0 | c2jrpih | t3_kepcp | null | t1_c2jrpih | t1_c2jq98o | null | 1427598317 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | NitWit005 | null | You told everyone to download it. You can't complain when they obey. | null | 0 | 1315986587 | False | 0 | c2jrpis | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jrpis | t1_c2jpw7w | null | 1427598317 | 20 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | detaer | null | After years of trying out microsoft beta operating systems then having the best features taken out right before release I have sworn off using microsoft pre-release anything. | null | 0 | 1315986704 | False | 0 | c2jrprb | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2jrprb | t3_kewkd | null | 1427598319 | 21 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jupiter104 | null | haha you morons don't know shit. already figured it out. | null | 0 | 1315987027 | False | 0 | c2jrqc4 | t3_kezbp | null | t1_c2jrqc4 | t3_kezbp | null | 1427598324 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ascii | null | Honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not, but since your OP, I'll give you the benefit of doubt.
You're saying Java is a computer language so it can't be an IL, which is absurd. Different things can have the same name sometimes. There is a developer tool called Visual Studio .Net, so obviously there can't be an VM platform named .Net, either? There is an office suite called Office XP, so obviously XP can't also be the name of an operating system? See where I'm going with this?
Sun decided to name things very confusingly. There is an IL named Java bytecode. It is very similar to CIL. There is a computer language called Java. It is very similar to C#. They are similar because Microsoft copied most of the ideas from Java bytecode and the Java language when they created CIL and C#, but they made some minor improvements. One of the improvements is that they decided the IL and the computer language should be named differently to avoid confusion. Then they decided that the IDE and the platform should be named the same thing, thus snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in typical Microsoft fashion.
Both Java bytecode and the Java language are named Java, but other than that they have little to do with each other. Many popular Java compilers compile Java language code into Java bytecode, but there are several prominent exceptions, including Dalvik and gcj. Dalvik might be the most popular Java (the language) platform in the world, and it does not use Java bytecode (the IL). On the flip side, there are many popular languages that compile into Java bytecode (the IL), like JavaScript, Ruby, Closure and Scala. None of these languages compile into Java the C#-like language - they all compile straight into Java bytecode, which is a standardised IL with many independent implementations.
As for your comments on scaling, that's really the funniest part. Sure, Java scales way better to smaller devices than .Net does, and _maybe_ that will be irrelevant in five years. On the other hand, it's also possible that cell phones will keep getting smaller and cheaper instead of keeping the form factor and price and amping up power, in which case scaling downwards is relevant. You might be right, scaling downwards might not matter. But what you're forgetting is that scaling goes in both directions. We _do_ know that future desktop computers will be massively parallel beasts with huge amounts of memory, and that is where Java scaling _really_ is light years ahead of .Net. There are Java VMs that can garbage collect heaps that are dozens gigabytes large without pausing any of the running threads. We're talking truly concurrent GC:ing, not just incremental garbage collection, and we're talking about doing this on machines with hundreds of CPUs running tens of thousands of concurrent threads and not stopping any of them. .Net uses a stop-the-world mark and sweep GC, which is a very simple type of GC that does not scale to many processors (all threads except one are stopped whenever a GC cycle begins) or large heaps (the GC needs to touch pretty much the entire heap while doing a GC run, with all threads except one waiting). .Net scales terribly upward. It isn't even in the same ballpark when it comes to upward scalability as Java is. If we want the future to have web apps that have a truly desktop like experience, including games and high end graphics software, .Net is nowhere near ready for taking on those kinds of tasks on the CPUs of tomorrow. Java is. | null | 0 | 1315987113 | False | 0 | c2jrqi5 | t3_kcwx2 | null | t1_c2jrqi5 | t1_c2jriua | null | 1427598326 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | iLiekCaeks | null | >Visual C++ defines a few Component Extensions that, in a Metro style app,are essentially syntactic sugar over the underlying COM calls involved in creating and consuming Windows Runtime types.
So they added a few extensions to standard C++ to literally sugarcoat the old COM stuff? And I thought everyone was growing tired of COM.
Will the native Windows API be COM based for the coming generations? | null | 0 | 1315987276 | False | 0 | c2jrqtq | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrqtq | t1_c2jrp00 | null | 1427598330 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mistoroboto | null | I've been spending way too much time learning Java. | null | 0 | 1315987455 | False | 0 | c2jrr5j | t3_kf632 | null | t1_c2jrr5j | t3_kf632 | null | 1427598334 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MDendura | null | I've had to do this with an old version of ACT (contact management software) as I've been steadily upgrading my company's PCs to Win7. It seems to work really well. | null | 0 | 1315987494 | False | 0 | c2jrr7w | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrr7w | t1_c2jrhls | null | 1427598334 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nepidae | null | DON'T DATE ROBOTS | null | 0 | 1315987542 | False | 0 | c2jrras | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrras | t1_c2jl92e | null | 1427598345 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Sc4Freak | null | It is. MS uses C++/CLI internally to expose the classes to the outside world (because it's easier to generate COM).
But in the end, the actual applications you write will interface with WinRT via COM (or something COM-like) and will be 100% native. | null | 0 | 1315987622 | False | 0 | c2jrrfl | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrrfl | t1_c2jrns6 | null | 1427598337 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Solon1 | null | MongoDB is basically commercial now, and commercial entities always inflate version numbers. 2.0 is going to bring in more support contracts that 1.10. But they cant tell you that. I bet their sales team is already excitedly calling all of their leads and excitedly talking about this new release, and how they should get support for the new release. | null | 0 | 1315987638 | False | 0 | c2jrrgj | t3_kd5f6 | null | t1_c2jrrgj | t1_c2jg866 | null | 1427598339 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | uriel | null | Plenty of people outside Google are already [using Go in production](http://go-lang.cat-v.org/organizations-using-go).
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315988165 | False | 0 | c2jrsfi | t3_kf4hn | null | t1_c2jrsfi | t3_kf4hn | null | 1427598353 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | quoderat | null | I hate the new UI. Been using the developer preview for a few hours now. And I've been a system admin for 15 years, so it's not like I have no experience -- but I prefer using the mouse. I hate having to type to search for programs. It's inefficient, and most people imagine they are much quicker typing but studies show again and again this is a cognitive illusion (illusion of more difficult task == feeling more productive when completed).
First, I'll tell you how to fix Windows 8 to make it usable again, and then I'll rant.
Step one: Install Classic Shell from here: http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/
Sanity returns.
Step two: Install RocketDock or similar dock: http://rocketdock.com/
I am sure someone will write something that boots Windows 8 past Metro and right to a real UI soon enough, even if Microsoft isn't forced to add that themselves due to business demands.
A PC is not a tablet. A PC is not a phone. Even most unsophisticated home users have large monitors now, and a single app running at 1920×1080 which prevents anything else from occurring on the computer is not ideal even for them – especially if they lack a touchscreen interface.
And let me tell you, holding your arm our for two hours trying to touch a monitor three feet away would quickly exhaust even Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime.
Microsoft has gone down a fundamentally clueless road here.
Fortunately, though, once I click past the Metro UI (which I am sure someone will automate at some point), I can still get to a real desktop and install Classic Shell, which brings some sanity back.
So the ability to get actual work done in Windows 8 has not yet been completely removed, though I doubt Windows 9 will stay so sane.
Windows 8 will be pretty roundly rejected by businesses in its current form, I believe, as most businesses value their employees getting real work done rather than whiz-bang features and flashy interfaces that constrain what a PC can do.
And no matter what you might have read about the “cloud” and all that buzzword-laden BS, PCs are going to be around in businesses at least for a long, long, long time to come.
Windows 8 is not really optimized to that environment at all, which might give Apple some room for inroads into the business market here if they want to take that path again.
Windows 8 attempts to do away with the strengths of PCs – multi-tasking, large monitors, tiled apps – and replace the interface with a clumsy phone interface. This is fine for a tablet or a phone, but not for a PC.
The three devices are built for fundamentally different use cases, and can’t just be lumped together like that.
Windows Vista pushed me to Linux for four years. Windows 8 might just push me right back. | null | 0 | 1315988294 | False | 0 | c2jrsnj | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrsnj | t3_kejwo | null | 1427598356 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Felicia_Svilling | null | Or you could have an actual multidimensional array (as an abstract data type). | null | 0 | 1315988547 | False | 0 | c2jrt3w | t3_kbdgw | null | t1_c2jrt3w | t1_c2j1lsx | null | 1427598368 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Who cares? | null | 0 | 1315988652 | False | 0 | c2jrtam | t3_kf1ue | null | t1_c2jrtam | t1_c2jrbvv | null | 1427598372 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Sc4Freak | null | WinRT exposes its interfaces to C++ via COM. The extensions are just syntactic sugar over the COM interfaces - if you don't want to use the extensions, just revert to using plain old COM. | null | 0 | 1315988666 | False | 0 | c2jrtbp | t3_kewaq | null | t1_c2jrtbp | t1_c2jrfos | null | 1427598372 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | monothorpe | null | What I'd really like to know is why when I tested, setting `vector.reserve(n)` didn't get me the performance boost that it should have. It seems that `push_back()` isn't only slow because of the resizes--the bookkeeping to keep track of the size is more work than I would have expected.
And yes, `resize()` and setting elements with `vec[i] = xxx` was a lot faster. | null | 0 | 1315988804 | False | 0 | c2jrtlu | t3_kf43e | null | t1_c2jrtlu | t3_kf43e | null | 1427598370 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | G_Morgan | null | Yeah ad hoc testing is exactly what we've been trying to get away from since software development came into existence. It relies too much upon the developer being at his absolute best on a particular day. | null | 0 | 1315988963 | False | 0 | c2jrtwr | t3_kepcp | null | t1_c2jrtwr | t1_c2jouzj | null | 1427598373 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nerds-central | null | Nicely put :) | null | 0 | 1315989140 | False | 0 | c2jru9u | t3_ke8y3 | null | t1_c2jru9u | t1_c2jnx9s | null | 1427598379 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | RichardDurr | null | I do hope so – the previous name was so extremly boring and uninspiring. The enhancements Nicolas Petton made to Clamato are really cool, though. | null | 0 | 1315989241 | False | 0 | c2jrufz | t3_kf4hn | null | t1_c2jrufz | t1_c2jrhu3 | null | 1427598382 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | johnwaterwood | null | Looking forward to playing with VS 11 in combination with this.
C# is rising massively in popularity lately, which I think is 90% because of .NET. | null | 0 | 1315989352 | False | 0 | c2jrunh | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrunh | t3_kejwo | null | 1427598383 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | xon_xoff | null | I don't know about the APIs yet, but it looks like WinRT base objects are a bit more refined than COM. With COM, you need to go through AddRef() and Release() virtual methods for all reference counting, but in WinRT based code I'm seeing direct inline code manipulating refcounts. __declspec(no_refcount) and __declspec(no_release_return) are some of the scarier function attributes I've seen in a language, though.
The idea of rebasing Windows development onto this worries me a bit, but if you're used to C++ programming with refcounted smart pointers, this seems like the natural next step. Compiler support means you can get perks this way that are hard to get with a pure library like redundant AddRef/Release removal.
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True | RichardDurr | null | Yay! The name choice is beautiful.
While working with jtalk, I asked myself, what the little mosquito on the left side of the jtalk pane meant, now I know. :D | null | 0 | 1315989411 | True | 0 | c2jrur9 | t3_kf4hn | null | t1_c2jrur9 | t3_kf4hn | null | 1427598384 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | The Metro UI is supposed to work well with the keyboard and mouse, but I haven't had a chance to try it myself. | null | 0 | 1315990172 | False | 0 | c2jrw4l | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrw4l | t1_c2jrl92 | null | 1427598399 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | johnwaterwood | null | Compared to the tens of thousands of companies that build on Java EE your hundreds doesn't sound like much... | null | 0 | 1315990196 | False | 0 | c2jrw66 | t3_kdv51 | null | t1_c2jrw66 | t1_c2jl50u | null | 1427598400 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dist | null | Aargh! I'd like to upvote but this has 1337 upvotes so I can't :< | null | 0 | 1315990288 | False | 0 | c2jrwc4 | t3_ke58q | null | t1_c2jrwc4 | t3_ke58q | null | 1427598402 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1315990415 | False | 0 | c2jrwkg | t3_kcwx2 | null | t1_c2jrwkg | t1_c2jf1ad | null | 1427598410 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | grauenwolf | null | They need a UI that works with touch and the Win95 isn't it. | null | 0 | 1315990431 | False | 0 | c2jrwlk | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2jrwlk | t1_c2jrfsm | null | 1427598410 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | johnwaterwood | null | Cool, can we put him up against Adam Bien who does the same real-time coding + explaining during presentations with Java EE 6 (JSF, CDI, EJB, etc).
See who wins! :) | null | 0 | 1315990496 | False | 0 | c2jrwpr | t3_ke614 | null | t1_c2jrwpr | t1_c2jk78z | null | 1427598406 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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