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True | north0 | null | >The copyright system grew up with printing—a technology for mass-production copying. Copyright fit in well with this technology because it restricted only the mass producers of copies.
Copyright laws weren't solely targeted at large producers - it was illegal for *anyone* to make copies of copyrighted materials. I couldn't just buy a small printing press and start selling copies of New York Times Best Sellers to my neighbors for half the price.
>It did not take freedom away from readers of books.
To follow your logic, yes it did. It meant that you could only read certain material if a corporation chose to make it available to you at a price you could afford.
>An ordinary reader, who did not own a printing press, could copy books only with pen and ink, and few readers were sued for that.
That's because it was not financially viable to prosecute every case of this, not because it wasn't a violation of copyright laws.
>Owners use smear words such as “piracy” and “theft”, as well as expert terminology such as “intellectual property” and “damage”, to suggest a certain line of thinking to the public—a simplistic analogy between programs and physical objects.
If theft is unlawfully depriving someone of someone of the exclusive use of their property, then one might argue that copying software is not doing that because the user retains the use of their property. But that's not what's being stolen here. The owner is using the software to generate something else, and the something else - revenue - is what the owner is being deprived of.
>Our ideas and intuitions about property for material objects are about whether it is right to take an object away from someone else. They don't directly apply to making a copy of something. But the owners ask us to apply them anyway.
You aren't taking away the software, you are taking away their exclusive right to use it as a money making tool.
>But the copying has no direct effect on the owner, and it harms no one. The owner can lose only if the person who made the copy would otherwise have paid for one from the owner.
So no one who would have paid otherwise has ever downloaded something for free? I agree that the calculations of financial loss are ridiculously overstated, but to say that the owners aren't deprived of *any* money is equally ridiculous.
>It's elementary that laws don't decide right and wrong. Every American should know that, in the 1950s, it was against the law in many states for a black person to sit in the front of a bus; but only racists would say sitting there was wrong.
Rather specious argument. Laws generally reflect what society has deemed right and wrong. Segregation laws were changed to reflect prevailing attitude changes in the 60's.
People generally believe that people should be compensated for their work and recognize that it's important to protect the profit incentive developers have to continue to innovate. I believe laws will have to change to adapt to reality, but not because copyright laws are immoral.
>Authors often claim a special connection with programs they have written, and go on to assert that, as a result, their desires and interests concerning the program simply outweigh those of anyone else.
If you expend resources and time to buy or create a product, you have the exclusive rights to its use. If a painter paints a painting, he can and should be able to do whatever he wants with it, whether it's hang it on his wall, sell it or burn it. Would you seriously argue otherwise?
>(Typically companies, not authors, hold the copyrights on software, but we are expected to ignore this discrepancy.)
This is completely irrelevant and a cheap attempt to leverage anti-corporate sentiment to push his view. There's no discrepancy. Who do you think pays the authors? The authors willingly entered an arrangement with the company to produce software for them because it benefits them as individuals in some way.
>To those who propose this as an ethical axiom—the author is more important than you—I can only say that I, a notable software author myself, call it bunk.
The author isn't more important than you. The author's desire in the use of property that they expended resources and time to produce is more important than yours. If we're talking about my car, my desire to drive it where I want is more important than yours. Yours is irrelevant.
>As a computer user today, you may find yourself using a proprietary program. If your friend asks to make a copy, it would be wrong to refuse.
I don't think the problem is a friend making a copy of something for you to use personally. It's the fact that in general people expect to be able to obtain software for free as a matter of course.
The copyright laws are broken, no denying. But Stallman doesn't really have a firm grasp on the economics, societal and political aspects behind the issue.
I support open source, I'm a member of the Linux Foundation etc, but I don't pretend that trying to sell software is some kind of moral abhorrence.
In short, any true proponent of freedom would insist that people be able to allocate their time and resources to whatever they wish, including fucking Flash.
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True | s73v3r | null | Prior art still counts. So if there is documentation that prior art existed, they shouldn't be awarded the patent, and if they are, they should be invalidated in court. | null | 0 | 1316566481 | False | 0 | c2ldtxc | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldtxc | t1_c2ldn32 | null | 1427626235 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | conjury | null | Some of us cut our teeth in languages that admitted only variable names that match the following regular expression: "[A-Z][0-9]*" c.f. Data General Business BASIC. | null | 0 | 1316566483 | False | 0 | c2ldtxk | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ldtxk | t1_c2l98k0 | null | 1427626235 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ggggbabybabybaby | null | Bug: Hitting STD exception during sex.
Solution: Removed try/catch block around sex. | null | 0 | 1316566534 | False | 0 | c2ldu4b | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ldu4b | t1_c2lat92 | null | 1427626238 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yknmb | null | I'd recommend that people learn how to use Vim/Emacs early on so that using it becomes second nature to them. They would think twice in the future before resorting to use an IDE, and question why they are doing so in the first place. | null | 0 | 1316566546 | False | 0 | c2ldu6d | t3_klv9k | null | t1_c2ldu6d | t3_klv9k | null | 1427626238 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ggggbabybabybaby | null | Did he finally summon the courage to ask you out? | null | 0 | 1316566572 | False | 0 | c2lduan | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2lduan | t1_c2l83hr | null | 1428193597 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | And then, only in moderation. | null | 0 | 1316566652 | False | 0 | c2ldun9 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ldun9 | t1_c2lcser | null | 1427626254 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | s73v3r | null | Yes, but as has been pointed out, if you give me a half a day coding exercise, then you're now telling me to ignore all of my prior obligations, my family, and anything else I was going to do just to show I can "get shit done." | null | 0 | 1316566676 | False | 0 | c2lduqm | t3_kls47 | null | t1_c2lduqm | t1_c2lbgqt | null | 1427626249 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | GhostedAccount | null | >In that one small case. Not everything.
I never claimed otherwise you moron.
>I find it funny you have a highly inflated ego. You're not being stalked. I simply read the list of comments, and responded to those I felt needing responding to.
Highly doubtful, you seem to reply to many of my comments from multiple threads all at the same time. You are stalking me, and I find that funny. | null | 0 | 1316566714 | False | 0 | c2lduwv | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2lduwv | t1_c2ldlga | null | 1427626251 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | swuboo | null | Looks like no, it's on the browsers to do it. | null | 0 | 1316566749 | False | 0 | c2ldv2r | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ldv2r | t1_c2ld8fx | null | 1427626256 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | stevia | null | Bitch he said no!! | null | 0 | 1316566753 | False | 0 | c2ldv3i | t3_kljc0 | null | t1_c2ldv3i | t1_c2lcaqk | null | 1427626256 | 14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | LasciviousSycophant | null | Because as a lawyer, even when your client loses, you get paid. | null | 0 | 1316566771 | False | 0 | c2ldv6c | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldv6c | t1_c2laqwc | null | 1427626256 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hobbitlover | null | I like the system that Epic Games set up where you could use their video game development tools for free, and they would only get paid if the game were successful. It wouldn't work for every type of software, but a system like theirs increases innovation and puts a powerful tool in the hands of the public. | null | 0 | 1316566774 | False | 0 | c2ldv6l | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldv6l | t1_c2ldc8n | null | 1427626256 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | GhostedAccount | null | Unless you are no longer infringing and you are going after them for massive infringement of a product that has waned and used to be really popular.
Now you are arguing with yourself. | null | 0 | 1316566792 | False | 0 | c2ldv9p | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldv9p | t1_c2ldl65 | null | 1427626258 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yknmb | null | It's definitely more terse than OpenCL but the syntax is as greasy as the name. | null | 0 | 1316566929 | False | 0 | c2ldvtm | t3_kltgu | null | t1_c2ldvtm | t3_kltgu | null | 1427626263 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | godless_communism | null | ...for dumb users.
This is like Orwellian newsspeak. | null | 0 | 1316566962 | False | 0 | c2ldvz4 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2ldvz4 | t1_c2l64cd | null | 1427626263 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | is there a way to redirect this post to that subreddit? | null | 0 | 1316567014 | False | 0 | c2ldw7p | t3_km5t1 | null | t1_c2ldw7p | t1_c2ldq9e | null | 1427626265 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Campers | null | Gentlemen. Sources please!
What you're saying is really interesting and that's why I'm asking for them. I'm curious about the details. :D | null | 0 | 1316567019 | False | 0 | c2ldw8b | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldw8b | t1_c2lby32 | null | 1427626265 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 88leo | null | I can't believe that you can do this now. I wrote a jsf app a few years ago with myfaces/richfaces, is it possible to control the markup at all now? | null | 0 | 1316567081 | False | 0 | c2ldwhx | t3_kjwil | null | t1_c2ldwhx | t3_kjwil | null | 1427626276 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Yes, but it's a ridiculous default that they assume most people are going to use. | null | 0 | 1316567108 | False | 0 | c2ldwmo | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2ldwmo | t1_c2ld2ne | null | 1427626271 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hobbitlover | null | But bigger companies will do what they've always done and if the patent conflicts with their own competing product they'd have a financial incentive to table the highest bid and then sit on the patent forever. My solution would be to build in a phased system of patent application — you can patent an idea for a year, after which point you have to hand in schematics, a beta, a demo product, an account of subsequent R&D to be awarded an extension. You'd have three years at the most to get the product into some kind of realistic shape where it can be taken to market before your "development patent" could expire. | null | 0 | 1316567149 | False | 0 | c2ldwst | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldwst | t1_c2ldrux | null | 1427626280 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | frymaster | null | please tell me I wasn't the only person learning java at university that had a main method defined like
public static void main(String[] grr_args)
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True | yogthos | null | That is a meaningless statement. When you open source your code through GPL or a no strings attached license such as MIT license, you're not doing it for personal benefit. So, it makes no sense to talk about the interests of the person who are opening their code.
The question is what has a greater benefit for our collective knowledge, not just the immediate users of the code in question. I believe that by requiring that all future modifications remain as open as the original, the author makes a greater overall contribution to the community.
All GPL does is exclude the people who only wish to use the code for their personal benefit and not share what they create with others.
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True | [deleted] | null | When I was studying CS as the University of Arizona, the music major/education masters Professor decided we would do group work for our final. We would code the game Risk. GUI and all, with computer player, etc. Pretty standard. Anyway, being the guy who slept in the back of the lecture hall, I didn't really know anyone in the class and got paired with the other rejects. Most of them were alright but there was this one guy Brandon. Actually, after typing that sentence, no they were not alright. Because we had learned recursion that semester, they wanted to make the main game loop, in a ModelViewController design, a fucking *recursive function.* I'm not joking. I couldn't dissuade them until the game started throwing stack overflow errors. I wrote the intermediate and hard AI's. They were working fine, and committed to the repository. I asked Brandon to write an easy AI, as I was busy sifting through the smoking ruins of the Controller portion of the program. He worked for a few hours, then left. I tried to compile and run the program, but his code was throwing errors. I looked into it. It was my medium code. But *broken*. Not with changes you'd expect someone to make if they were trying to re-write it as an easy AI, no, he made fucking changes you would make if you were TRYING TO BREAK THE PROGRAM. He was also a weeaboo, and all of the variable names in the program had been changed to Japanese shit like 'san', 'ichii' and otherwise. I raged. When he came back and was being useless, I asked him to try and fix it. He looked up at me, and said 'Well, what happened the *last* time you asked me to do that?" I raised my fist high above my head for a few moments, then slammed it down on the table and said "I'm going for a walk. When I get back, you probably shouldn't be here." He wasn't.
Things continued along this vain. We finally reached a breaking point when I had hacked most of the bullshit code together into a functional pile of shit, and I was just about to integrate the last bits, which was the computer players being able to interact with the Model and make changes, I.E., take their turns. It ended up needing to access a method of a member of a member of the Computer player and pass it to the Model through another member and function. This is not ideal, clearly, but *it was literally the only way to make the existing code work*. Mind you, this is now the night before the project is due. I've been in the CS lab for probably more than 48 hours, with breaks for food. The next most active member was there about half the time. It is as I'm adding this code, that they say, 'Wait, using so many dots (method of a member of a member, etc) is bad programming form. We can't do that." I looked at them blankly for a few seconds, and said "This is the only way it will work." "But we can't do that." Yep, we didn't turn in a functioning project because of that issue. (P.S. I tested it and it worked.)
Also, the GUI didn't work because the guy who had been doing that and only that for the entire duration of the project (Yes, I had a bad feeling about that, but in my naivete, I didn't mommy him because I figured, hey we are all adults, he'll take care of his shit.) didn't know what the fuck was going on, and had basically used the Visual Basic equivalent of a GUI editor in Eclipse to do the whole thing, so when t came time to interface it with the Model and Controller, he basically just started blankly at me.
I passed the class with a B because my scores up till then had been outstanding, but we took a D on that project. It was only a D because of the mainly functional game code (such as I was able to demonstrate), but it really was a failing project.
After completing that, I went home and slept for 18 hours, went to my adviser and told her I was switching majors because of that class. She didn't want to let me just because of that, so I got up and left and went to the Math adviser, who was extremely helpful in getting me out of that bullshit department. I have never even come close to regretting that decision.
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True | 88leo | null | So when did this start being called Code Injection? I always heard it referred to as byte code weaving? hence the terms load time weaving and compile time weaving. | null | 0 | 1316567279 | False | 0 | c2ldxdl | t3_kjiii | null | t1_c2ldxdl | t3_kjiii | null | 1427626281 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | a_redditor | null | Unfortunately there isn't. This is a commonly suggested feature of the site, but it would cause too many problems to be a viable solution. | null | 0 | 1316567405 | False | 0 | c2ldxxt | t3_km5t1 | null | t1_c2ldxxt | t1_c2ldw7p | null | 1427626286 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 88leo | null | so wrong, though I think its application should be very carefully applied as it can make it hard to actually read the code and determine what is happening if you have all sorts of custom aspects being weaved all over the place. Its great for when you want to do dependency injection in places where you don't have control over the instantiation of objects. | null | 0 | 1316567430 | False | 0 | c2ldy1m | t3_kjiii | null | t1_c2ldy1m | t1_c2kt6pd | null | 1427626288 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | I'm really not sure why people have so much trouble understanding this simple statement. | null | 0 | 1316567460 | False | 0 | c2ldy6g | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2ldy6g | t1_c2lcyhk | null | 1427626290 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316567604 | False | 0 | c2ldytu | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldytu | t3_klqte | null | 1427626299 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | throwaway-o | null | > It is not extortion, at all. It's patent law.
It's patent law *and* extortion (backed by law).
There is no mutual exclusivity to the fact of extortion and the fact of law.
> The problem is, the law sucks.
Yes, but just because it's law, it doesn't get excepted from being extortion. Legal extortion. But extortion nonetheless. | null | 0 | 1316567634 | False | 0 | c2ldyys | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldyys | t1_c2ldseg | null | 1427626301 | 52 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | How is it not realistic, Linux and other GPL licensed software seems to be doing rather well. | null | 0 | 1316567663 | False | 0 | c2ldz3f | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2ldz3f | t1_c2ldm9a | null | 1427626302 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [Here's](http://k9ventures.com/blog/2011/04/27/modista/) a story about a really cool idea that was killed by lawyers from like.com. | null | 0 | 1316567682 | False | 0 | c2ldz5j | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldz5j | t3_klqte | null | 1427626303 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ChaosMotor | null | Ahhh Europe, the hotbed of startups and innovation! | null | 0 | 1316567700 | False | 0 | c2ldz96 | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldz96 | t1_c2lds6v | null | 1427626304 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jsprogrammer | null | Why do corporate blogs never link back to the main site? | null | 0 | 1316567731 | False | 0 | c2ldzdv | t3_km6oi | null | t1_c2ldzdv | t3_km6oi | null | 1427626307 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Are you just intentionally missing points today? | null | 0 | 1316567775 | False | 0 | c2ldzka | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2ldzka | t1_c2ldz96 | null | 1427626308 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | Be as it may, you're arguing that it's better to have people take without being required to give anything back. | null | 0 | 1316567803 | False | 0 | c2ldzo4 | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2ldzo4 | t1_c2ld5qg | null | 1427626311 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Yours truly. DEC BASIC on a PDP-11. | null | 0 | 1316567838 | False | 0 | c2ldzt0 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ldzt0 | t1_c2ldtxk | null | 1427626314 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nemtrif | null | > So you'd use Java then
If it makes sense for the project, yes. I'd use Java for an Android project - not for a Windows desktop application. | null | 0 | 1316567895 | True | 0 | c2le019 | t3_kljc0 | null | t1_c2le019 | t1_c2lcwsm | null | 1427626315 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ChaosMotor | null | No, I'm drawing attention to the important ones everyone else is glossing over while ignoring their diversions from the real issues. | null | 0 | 1316567928 | False | 0 | c2le06s | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le06s | t1_c2ldzka | null | 1427626317 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | badsectoracula | null | Actually FreePascal can also be used to create native programs for Windows, Mac, Linux, iOS and Android. And in my opinion it has a slightly more sane syntax for OOP, although the language can be a turn off for some (i don't mind it) and the compiler doesn't generate as efficient code as the best C compilers (most of the time i don't mind it, but when i do, it is very easy to interface with C code). | null | 0 | 1316568054 | False | 0 | c2le0qq | t3_klgme | null | t1_c2le0qq | t1_c2lc1la | null | 1427626326 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | vimfan | null | Then I don't understand the point of the "first to file" part. Does that mean if you invent first, but file one week after Apple, that the prior art is ignored and you lose? That seems like a reason to never file. | null | 0 | 1316568067 | False | 0 | c2le0sn | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le0sn | t1_c2ldtxc | null | 1427626326 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | uh huh.
and who exactly is going to be paying to write software for no money?
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True | codeeval | null | done... we also added a 'About CodeEval' section below the article | null | 0 | 1316568103 | False | 0 | c2le0xw | t3_km6oi | null | t1_c2le0xw | t1_c2ldzdv | null | 1427626327 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | The important point being your misunderstanding of what "first-to-file" means. Got it. | null | 0 | 1316568135 | False | 0 | c2le133 | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le133 | t1_c2le06s | null | 1427626329 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Does it work with stream out yet? | null | 0 | 1316568304 | False | 0 | c2le1tm | t3_kg44k | null | t1_c2le1tm | t1_c2ld7s5 | null | 1427626339 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Because the software industry would collapse without money to support it.
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True | ChaosMotor | null | Oh no, a patent that makes Product X 10000000% cheaper and affordable to everyone! But it was cutting edge! We thought we could make trillions off Product X! Oh, wait, let's just buy the patent on the new thing and smother it. Hooray! | null | 0 | 1316568423 | False | 0 | c2le2cp | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le2cp | t1_c2ldrux | null | 1427626344 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nemtrif | null | >hire good developers who can learn X
Who *want* to learn X. | null | 0 | 1316568452 | True | 0 | c2le2h1 | t3_kljc0 | null | t1_c2le2h1 | t1_c2lbu1n | null | 1427626346 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rkenned | null | If you've got one test, then this method is fine. I always consider the use of Matchers with mockito to be a code smell though. If you don't know what the exact input of the service you're going to call will be given your test setup, then there's something wrong with your system.
If you want to test your class given a bunch of different output from your Extended mock service, then tools like Mockito (I don't know the Ruby equivalent) make things worlds easier. Plus annotations can cut down a lot of that boilerplate AlSpeer used. | null | 0 | 1316568476 | False | 0 | c2le2kp | t3_klypn | null | t1_c2le2kp | t1_c2ldm68 | null | 1427626347 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | No, that's the Lisp dialect of Pirate. You're looking for `(shiver timbers)`. | null | 0 | 1316568488 | False | 0 | c2le2mw | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le2mw | t1_c2lbhn4 | null | 1427626348 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hackinthebochs | null | What's wrong with an IDE? | null | 0 | 1316568531 | False | 0 | c2le2tr | t3_klv9k | null | t1_c2le2tr | t1_c2ldu6d | null | 1427626351 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | > When you open source your code through GPL or a no strings attached license such as MIT license, you're not doing it for personal benefit.
Why not? Isn't open development supposed to be a better model? Why wouldn't it be for your personal benefit as a user of the code?
And if it isn't, then isn't that equivalent to saying that, yes, it might not be in somebody's best interests to do so?
And if so, isn't the purpose of the GPL to force people to do so anyway, against their own best interests?
> The question is what has a greater benefit for our collective knowledge
No, that is not the question I am discussing. I am still driving at a point here which you keep calling a fallacy and a strawman, and I am building an argument here as to why it is not. | null | 0 | 1316568546 | False | 0 | c2le2w6 | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2le2w6 | t1_c2ldx0y | null | 1427626351 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | azakai | null | > For Lua, Python and Ruby we used Emscripten. I worked pretty closely with azakai/kripken, Emscripten's author, to get all our enhancements upstream, so the two projects gained quite a bit from each other.
This was indeed a very fruitful collaboration for all involved I think. Looking forward to more :)
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True | Jaylez | null | The fuck is wrong with it now? | null | 0 | 1316568603 | False | 0 | c2le35j | t3_km8go | null | t1_c2le35j | t3_km8go | null | 1427626355 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I'm not running a decade old OS. Thats just a bad idea.
No, I'll just crack it. Fuck them and their 30% tax. | null | 0 | 1316568611 | False | 0 | c2le376 | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2le376 | t1_c2lbbsk | null | 1427626355 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Poltras | null | At my old company it was as simple as
replay [-b bugid | -s seed | -f old_output ] test_name
from the command line. It hooked into bugzilla or took the output file that generated the error. To debug, you could either compile your test and run with `--repeat` or debug the replay program, which loaded your test anyway.
I try to reproduce how easy that is in my new job, but this company is a bit heavy on the process sometimes, and they don't allow random values in tests :/ | null | 0 | 1316568636 | False | 0 | c2le3b5 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le3b5 | t1_c2ldrsv | null | 1427626357 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | Not at all.
I am arguing if that the open source development model *truly* is better than the closed, then there is no need to force them to do so, as they would do so of their own free will.
And thus using the GPL seems like an indication that you don't think this is the case. | null | 0 | 1316568685 | False | 0 | c2le3ji | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2le3ji | t1_c2ldzo4 | null | 1427626360 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jsprogrammer | null | Thanks | null | 0 | 1316568735 | False | 0 | c2le3r9 | t3_km6oi | null | t1_c2le3r9 | t1_c2le0xw | null | 1427626363 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Campers | null | So your important points were:
- It seems problematic that you can patent something you didn't invent *and **first to file** makes this happen more often then the previous system*
- Communism only works on paper *and so does **first to file**.*
- Europe is *not* the hotbed of startups and innovation
Also, you really didn't answer monochromatic_oeuvre's arguments.
**Edit**: just to change formatting | null | 0 | 1316568779 | False | 0 | c2le3y4 | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le3y4 | t1_c2le06s | null | 1427626365 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hackinthebochs | null | Funny you say that. One of my friends from college who was the smartest guy I knew, used only notepad through the entire CS program (not notepad++ mind you, stock notepad). Got a 4.0, took all the standard CS courses, took graduate classes as a undergrad, etc. It happens. | null | 0 | 1316568786 | False | 0 | c2le3zj | t3_klv9k | null | t1_c2le3zj | t1_c2lbadb | null | 1427626366 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | That's just ... staggeringly unprofessional. | null | 0 | 1316568825 | False | 0 | c2le46b | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le46b | t1_c2l8axy | null | 1427626369 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | First off, that is demonstrably false as there are plenty of companies making good money on GPL software. Second, the software industry doesn't have a divine right to exist, if it becomes irrelevant because all software is open then nothing of value will be lost.
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True | ethraax | null | Ah. I'm quite young and have only worked at .NET shops with very heavy-handed build/test procedures, so getting something seamless like that is an impossibility. | null | 0 | 1316568923 | False | 0 | c2le4n0 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le4n0 | t1_c2le3b5 | null | 1427626375 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | Sounds like when I was trying to debug some JavaScript the other day. Apparently IE9, Chrome, and Firefox are all okay with reusing some keywords as variables; but IE8 chucked an obscure wobbly about it. | null | 0 | 1316568982 | False | 0 | c2le4x2 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le4x2 | t1_c2l8jdf | null | 1427626379 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | Probably depends how corporate/anal the acquirer is... or it's just the startup's programmers realizing that their code is slightly less than professional. | null | 0 | 1316569043 | False | 0 | c2le56d | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le56d | t1_c2l942g | null | 1427626382 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | poorly_played | null | You bring the synergy! | null | 0 | 1316569108 | False | 0 | c2le5h0 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le5h0 | t1_c2lcwwy | null | 1427626386 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mhd | null | 6? Compared to Visual C++ 5 it was sheer heaven! It almost has a working STL, by Jove! | null | 0 | 1316569173 | False | 0 | c2le5sq | t3_kljc0 | null | t1_c2le5sq | t1_c2lcgb6 | null | 1427626398 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | acecool | null | Pascal has quite a few features in its design that knocks it out of serious contention as a compiled programming language. The fact that a single file constitutes a whole program, array size being part of its type signature, and many others as outlined by Brian Kernighan:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html | null | 0 | 1316569195 | False | 0 | c2le5vx | t3_klgme | null | t1_c2le5vx | t1_c2le0qq | null | 1427626392 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kernelhappy | null | did I ever say hide, lie, cheat? You seem insistent on ignoring my point that when the wolves come huffing and puffing, you leave through the backdoor. If you had a good product you can probably find someone willing to buy it and fight the up battle.
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True | andytuba | null | Uh ... no. That would be the whole point of this thread. Feel free to chortle, guffaw, and giggle at will. | null | 0 | 1316569347 | False | 0 | c2le6l5 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le6l5 | t1_c2l99cw | null | 1427626400 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | >Why not? Isn't open development supposed to be a better model? Why wouldn't it be for your personal benefit as a user of the code?
I've already answered this, but I'll answer it yet again. Common benefit outweighs personal benefit, do you understand this position or not?
Releasing software under the GPL ensures that **everybody** benefits. So to recap, individual users of the GPL software might end up with less benefit, but overall benefit is greater because it ensures that the knowledge and experience offered by the source stays open.
>And if it isn't, then isn't that equivalent to saying that, yes, it might not be in somebody's best interests to do so?
If somebody wishes to keep their source closed it is their choice, but then it is my choice to exclude them from being able to build on my code.
>And if so, isn't the purpose of the GPL to force people to do so anyway, against their own best interests?
The purpose of the GPL is not to force anybody to do anything. Its purpose is to filter out people who do not share the vision of the person releasing their code under GPL. The vision being, in case I haven't made it clear, is to make sure that the code and its derivatives remain open.
>No, that is not the question I am discussing. I am still driving at a point here which you keep calling a fallacy and a strawman, and I am building an argument here as to why it is not.
Frankly, I'm not following what your point is here, and your argument seems rather contrived to say the least.
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True | knome | null | > Humans are not the root of the problem
Unless you're fighting a fucking bear, the odds are pretty much 100% that humans are the root of your problem. Either other humans or you.
The bear fight is a 50/50. | null | 0 | 1316569432 | False | 0 | c2le6yt | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le6yt | t1_c2lb808 | null | 1427626406 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | lightsaberon | null | func3()
func_tion11()
No comments anywhere. | null | 0 | 1316569614 | False | 0 | c2le7sw | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2le7sw | t3_klhlv | null | 1427626417 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | knome | null | > if you eliminate the state and have people purchase private protection, it will be more efficient and more in the interests of the people.
As long as the only people you're concerned with are warlords. | null | 0 | 1316569670 | False | 0 | c2le82e | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2le82e | t1_c2ldf3f | null | 1427626426 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | RedSpikeyThing | null | >let's just buy the patent on the new thing and smother it.
I think that's covered by
>this doesn't bother me if a) the patent is being used
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316569825 | False | 0 | c2le8s5 | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2le8s5 | t1_c2lda4a | null | 1427626430 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | hortinstein | null | Excited to play with this, Is there any way to populate a massive array with many random values? | null | 0 | 1316570044 | False | 0 | c2le9rk | t3_kltgu | null | t1_c2le9rk | t3_kltgu | null | 1427626444 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | TinynDP | null | The OS will fudge touches as mouse clicks, and a screen keyboard. | null | 0 | 1316570182 | False | 0 | c2leafu | t3_kl1qp | null | t1_c2leafu | t1_c2ld5bu | null | 1427626451 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rikket | null | Nope
| null | 0 | 1316570305 | False | 0 | c2leb18 | t3_kljc0 | null | t1_c2leb18 | t3_kljc0 | null | 1427626459 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | >I am arguing if that the open source development model truly is better than the closed, then there is no need to force them to do so, as they would do so of their own free will.
Saying better out of context is meaningless, the question is better from **whom**? Is it better of the community or for the individual receiving the source.
Open source model is better way to spread knowledge and to ensure that it and its derivatives stay open. I feel this to be the most important aspect regarding software licensing.
Closed source based on somebody else's open source is clearly more beneficial to the individual who chooses to take open source and use it for personal gain. This is **why** people do not always choose to use open source of their own free will.
I think that's perfectly fine of them, but in return I choose not to share my source with them, as they do not wish to share their work with others. Do you understand point this nor not?
>And thus using the GPL seems like an indication that you don't think this is the case.
Using the GPL is a statement saying that I choose to keep my source open, and if you wish to benefit from it I require you to do the same. If you wish to use my source for personal gain without sharing anything with others then I choose not to offer it to you.
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316570414 | False | 0 | c2lebju | t3_klrrx | null | t1_c2lebju | t1_c2lblb6 | null | 1427626466 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | > When I first started learning BASIC
Well, *there's* yer problem... | null | 0 | 1316570474 | False | 0 | c2lebu0 | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2lebu0 | t1_c2la02j | null | 1427626469 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316570519 | 1426106088 | 0 | c2lec1i | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2lec1i | t1_c2ldz3f | null | 1427626472 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | fabiensanglard | null | Thanks, you should write this on the website for my old days ;) ! | null | 0 | 1316570573 | False | 0 | c2lec9w | t3_klrrx | null | t1_c2lec9w | t1_c2lblb6 | null | 1427626475 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mithrasinvictus | null | [Prior art](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_%28KE850%29) | null | 0 | 1316570633 | False | 0 | c2lecjn | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2lecjn | t1_c2ld1yt | null | 1427626479 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Actually windows phone 8 will run windows 8 apps | null | 0 | 1316570819 | False | 0 | c2leddi | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2leddi | t1_c2l8ehs | null | 1428193595 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | andytuba | null | Fuck that noise, I'm glad I get the luxury of C# and MS SQL. | null | 0 | 1316570860 | False | 0 | c2ledkf | t3_klhlv | null | t1_c2ledkf | t1_c2la9br | null | 1427626496 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yogthos | null | >The market share is pretty small.
Are you serious? Linux is fairly dominant on the server market, it's used in phones, tablets, TVs, and all kinds of devices. Linux is having a hard time breaking into the desktop market for the same reasons OS X does. It has nothing to do with the source being open or closed.
Windows has secured a huge chunk of the market on the desktop, and that is a pretty hard situation to reverse. Do notice that this is completely opposite in the mobile market. Again, open vs. closed has nothing to do with this.
>Hardware support is hit-or-miss.
This goes back to Windows having a huge chunk of the market and hardware vendors taking extra effort to make sure their hardware has drivers for it. Despite that, majority of the time hardware is detected by Linux out of the box and works just fine, while with Windows you often have to hunt for drivers yourself.
>Applications are rarely polished, and are often downright hard to use.
What applications are these? | null | 0 | 1316570879 | False | 0 | c2ledo7 | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2ledo7 | t1_c2lec1i | null | 1428193595 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dauphic | null | **Real** developers only use a command line, build all of their applications from source, and have no need of silly tools such as integrated debuggers. /endsarcasm | null | 0 | 1316570886 | False | 0 | c2ledpq | t3_klv9k | null | t1_c2ledpq | t1_c2le2tr | null | 1427626498 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It seems like the burden should be on the patent holder to show that they are actively working on putting something to market (even indirectly as lamplasma described above). If they can't demonstrate that beyond a reasonable doubt, then they shouldn't be allowed to get in anybody else's way. | null | 0 | 1316570964 | False | 0 | c2lee2g | t3_klqte | null | t1_c2lee2g | t1_c2ldsoo | null | 1427626568 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nwmcsween | null | What is your argument against Bdd? The wording of an announcement? Bdd works quite well and I say this from experiance | null | 0 | 1316570999 | False | 0 | c2lee9t | t3_klypn | null | t1_c2lee9t | t1_c2ldkv3 | null | 1427626571 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | badsectoracula | null | You realize that this article is terribly old and outdated, right? | null | 0 | 1316571058 | False | 0 | c2leek1 | t3_klgme | null | t1_c2leek1 | t1_c2le5vx | null | 1427626577 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zwaldowski | null | Apple Insider, bastion of journalism! | null | 0 | 1316571137 | False | 0 | c2leeyc | t3_kl7h0 | null | t1_c2leeyc | t1_c2lbz9f | null | 1427626580 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316571140 | True | 0 | c2leeyu | t3_klv9k | null | t1_c2leeyu | t1_c2le2tr | null | 1427626580 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | yourparadigm | null | Make a pull request!
Gisters love pull requests... | null | 0 | 1316571141 | False | 0 | c2leez3 | t3_kketr | null | t1_c2leez3 | t1_c2l0k08 | null | 1427626580 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | migimunz | null | By hand, or are you allowed to use a parser generator of some sort?
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True | fabiensanglard | null | Thank you. Post like this and nice emails I receive push me to keep on writing (it is actually a lot longer to cleanup the notes than to read the code). | null | 0 | 1316571180 | False | 0 | c2lef5k | t3_klrrx | null | t1_c2lef5k | t1_c2ladmk | null | 1427626581 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | SCLegend | null | Wow this is pretty awesome. Keep up the good work. | null | 0 | 1316571338 | False | 0 | c2lefv5 | t3_klv3o | null | t1_c2lefv5 | t3_klv3o | null | 1427626591 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Azuvector | null | >It helps that Carmack hates using malloc(), which helps programmers like me who don't use C very much.
I'm not following... | null | 0 | 1316571368 | False | 0 | c2leg0b | t3_klrrx | null | t1_c2leg0b | t1_c2lcl6m | null | 1427626592 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kamishizuka | null | Personally I found the demo videos to be the best part, especially on the software renderer page. 3D display is, to me, complete black magic on these boxes in front of us; the most I ever managed was your basic Space Invaders clone on Java in high school.
Getting to see a frame come together in all the haphazard chunks at a time was simply breathtaking. | null | 0 | 1316571376 | False | 0 | c2leg1r | t3_klrrx | null | t1_c2leg1r | t3_klrrx | null | 1427626593 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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