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I agree, such insight!
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This is crazy!
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Sorry, I'm going to accuse you of hyperbole. I think Fritz is bad for Portland and would like to have a credible alternative. Having no alternative is not much of a democracy.
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Then why don't you run? You are looking for a "credible alternative" and she is not it. Seriously - run!
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My Dad owned the building with his brother in the 30s and 40s. They lived above in the Marshall Street apartments. They had a bar below on the south end of the building, there was a narrow barbershop in the middle and a cleaners on the Marshall street end. Their bar was called Carl and Jacks. When my uncle died, my dad...
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Oh, the article is by a man who is always 100% saying what developers want planners to say. Joe "No Credibility" Cortright. Reporting on the trade (UGB for inclusionary zoning) is a big deal. IMHO, we have to look at how our housing market has become a casino. Real estate transfer taxes, restrictions on foreign o...
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So how would you rate this movie on a food scale, John? Better than the carne asada fries at Del Taco or slightly worse than the Nashville Chicken at KFC?
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Hope they find a new location soon!
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Am I wrong, but is this group of tasters (almost) all men?
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You're doing a fine job Lizzy, keep up the good work!
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Vetting of candidates that includes information from police reports whether charges were brought or not need to be shared. Mr. Emmons comment about what his ex-wife should or should not have done is also interesting. The financial difficulties are also important to a voter when selecting people that will be making de...
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I didn't see a single thing in Mr Cortright's article that I disagree with. Every tool the govt. has at its disposal, or is asking for, serves to benefit an handful of people at the expense of everyone else. You can't legislate away demand. Well, I suppose you could over a long enough timeline by turning people off t...
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Your defense of your friend is admirable but bias and you opinion about what you may think is a 'minor incidents' is part of a vetting of any candidate running for office. I find your very emotional statements in defense of you friend judgmental opinions but not enlightening nor compelling when you are worried about ...
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What kind of information or story do you want from the media? All candidates are vetted and your personal picking and choosing how and which candidates are vetted or not is not an option.
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Thanks for the reply and link -- now I love you even more! Maybe I underestimated your readership, but I just thought the subtle sarcasm might slip over plenty of people's heads and sort of reinforce the idea that carrying a pregnancy to term is the default. I could be wrong there. You're awesome.
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Economic growth -- which requires increased consumption and population growth -- during the past three decades in Oregon has caused increased poverty and greater divide between the haves and have-nots. Growth subsidies are welfare to construction companies, banks and realtors. http://www.fodorandassociates.com/rpts_an...
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And by "your" readership, I meant WW's. Your piece on The Rumpus was absolutely beautiful.
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What is uniquely and exclusively possible in and through Christ is the negation of historical expiation in the very instant of its promise. The economy of guilt/debt and retribution that Nietzsche correctly identifies as the root of Christian hate deprives fallen humanity of salvation by continually postponing its arri...
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Thanks dude. And I totally get that the default is the idea you will carry a pregnancy to term so it's hard to know that it's a joke. I was trying to be funny but I guess also sometimes I consider the context of everything I write to be this one, long, ongoing narrative and it definitely isn't for most readers. Like, I...
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It appears that Indianapolis has a population that is uniquely ready to receive the sage wisdom of Friedrich Nietzsche!
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Your point?
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I feel sad when women are not included or are excluded.
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The mocking, Ammon Bundy's group's take over of a federal facility. This cartoon isn't about anyones religion. It's mockery of Anti-American extremists hate groups that posture as patriots who developed their own constitution, refuse to obey state or federal laws, destroy property, threaten people, have their own ka...
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My daughter would love this assignment! I wish she were at Da Vinci in this teacher's class. Some children need this kind of creativity to connect with learning. Some suffer withdrawal or depression when more traditional, rigid styles of teaching are all they are exposed to. Please give us more teachers like this one w...
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It's no wonder the league took this team away from Emmert. His ego was probably the deciding factor in taking the team. For a league to take a team away, its not because the organization is ran superiorly. He couldn't keep presidents and other staff that any team would want to have. Let's face it, if you have been to a...
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I have known Stuart and his son for over 20 years. We met at our children's pre-school. I am saddened that the WW would publish a biased and unflattering article that actually says nothing about Stuart's character. Stuart has always been a caring and devoted father who has a close relationship with his son. To say some...
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Relax folks, the strip is back, and those who miss the skipped strips can find them online at http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur I recall when the Oregonian and a few other papers moved Doonesbury to the op-ed pages or suspended them for awhile years ago. And then there are those comics removed for space or just not ...
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I fully support the idea of the Portland Children's Tax Levy but is this and other tax levy's evaluated and information shared with the public?
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JWC, This generation of kids, young adults are not lost perhaps you judge on too small of a sample of this generation.
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You might be interested in reading about domestic hate groups this militia is associated and promotes not only hate with Anti-government but hate towards many Americans. Militia extremists hate groups "are responsible for more killing of Law enforcement Officers than any other group"... "Southern Poverty Law Center". ...
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Embarrassing but it's about money, probably good business for the Trail Blazers to keep the name even if it is a failed Corporation.
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With all respect, I must have missed the information about more apartments 'means cheaper rent for everybody" I love Jimmy Maks I wish them the best in their new location.
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Glenn Beck disses Portland. Considering the nature of that POS, we should be proud.
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Thank you, God ! Thank you !!!
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Cylvia is out of the limelight. Must be hard. And the old man isn't getting any younger. In reality, you can have all the tv interviews you want but the prospects are slim for well paid work. She blew it. So, it must be frustrating. Made all the harder by a looming federal inquiry.....such a waste of time.
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Martin Cizmar, Great article puts perspective on grazing cattle costs.
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Desperate people eventually impact all demographics in Portland. This is shameful and politicians those that don't live in the numbers will be watching to what you promise and what you actually do for the 'numbers' community. Voting is the only way I know how to support this neighborhood.
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Do you have an update on the 'numbers' neighborhood?
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I'd never have guessed New Seasons was anti-union; it runs counter to their otherwise super-progressive vibe. Probably something they want to keep out of the news.
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This is so rad. Kind of amazing that even with satellite-assisted cartography, there are still unmapped wild places this close to urban areas.
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The Bundy Show...now exposing themselves as art? Ha
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I'm glad they introduced the bill and hope similar legislation will be proposed for banks doing business with cannabis growers and dispensaries.
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Drive safe out there!
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Hi all, our team here at Civil will be checking this page today to answer questions, troubleshoot, etc. Take it for a spin, and let us know what you think!
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What happens if users just vote all the comments they don't like as poor quality?
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That's what we expect, actually. If you don't like the comment, rate it as poor quality. For the civility vote, only rate it as "not civil" if it's a personal attack, harassment, or abuse. We didn't want people combining the two things, so we split it up into two questions - you can dislike a comment that doesn't bre...
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Just did my first peer-review... it can be difficult because no context is provided, is there? What if the comment is, "I completely agree!"? Now, not particularly great content, but certainly sounds civil. But what if that comment is in reply to someone calling someone else, "you are a puss-filled jerkwad that should ...
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I completely agree! ;) There's a little box at the top of the review that shows more context for the comment - if it's the first comment in a thread, it shows the article headline and excerpt. If it's a reply, it shows the parent comment, so you can avoid such sticky situations.
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So if someone posts a long treatise on the effects of gerrymandering with plenty of citations and an eloquent, heart-felt conclusion how this hurts democracy, but I am a fan of suppressing voters, I should rate this PhD-level comment as poor quality? It sounds like you mean it as a like or dislike button, rather than a...
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If that is, indeed, how you feel about the comment, then yes, you're free to rate the quality as you see fit. But "dislikes" won't keep the comment from being published - the algorithm is designed to maintain a basic level of civility, not to force everyone to agree on what's "good" or "bad".
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Agree with the comments by scienceduck. With crowd moderated commenting, those with opinions outside the majority PC viewpoints may tend to be suppressed. So there is a danger that the majority view will just end up talking to itself.
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Very much like this first pass at more civil content in the RG comment sections. I for one have been turned off from commenting in the past, or reading what others say, by the narrow minded overly negative stuff that's been the norm. Here's hoping a more elevated and civil discourse will follow. The ability to comment...
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The aim is for civility, not homogeneity ('cause that would be pretty boring).
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I wish you would follow the guidelines of the Letters To Editor in the RG where the real name is used instead of user names. It will imporve the quality and civility of posts. I will be the first to use that.
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The idea of "self-moderating for civility sounds great. However, I share the concern that others have expressed regarding a "down vote" possibly resulting from disagreement with content rather than concern with lack of civility. If I'm understanding the new system, "deletions" would be based on "peer" review scoring ...
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I hear you... what we've found, though, is that "real name" policies can make it difficult for people to comment honestly on controversial topics. It's hard to really participate when you risk every future employer discovering your posts in a Google search.
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Garycrum, the algorithms are carefully designed to avoid "groupthink", etc. "Disliked" comments won't be deleted!
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Sounds like "low quality" get published, so the only downside is having the comment be low down on the page if you sort comment by rating rather than by new.
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Please read christa_m's response in this thread.
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Yep, exactly.
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"Maybe we can weed you out with this new commenting system." This is a poster's reply to a comment I made on Disqus: It highlights my concern. You ask two questions: is it a good post? that may mean very different things to different people. Is it well written? Do I agree with it? ...then you ask about Civilit...
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Users that feel comfortable providing their real names are free to do so, Pal123. I happen to be IT director for the Cliven Bundy Ranch Facebook page, so they might fire me if they were to find out my liberal views.
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Gary, yes, the system is constantly checking for dishonest civility votes; partially with algorithms, partially by cross-checking suspicious voting against a wider variety of users. If someone wants to go to the trouble of trying to "weed someone out", it's more likely they're going to weed themselves out with bad voti...
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Maybe all unemployed and retired posters should be required to use their real names !!! ): (there is no list of smiley faces to use nor a way to spell check or edit one's post that I can see).
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aja.bog: I must not have been clear enough. I realize you're not deleting based on the "quality" metric....again, the term "good" in this context can have many different meanings. However, my concern is a "reviewer" who, very much disagreeing with a post, in an effort to suppress it, brands it "uncivil."
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If they cannot compose a logical argument without resorting to vulgarity or name-calling, in most media I can block them.
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I can see now that there will only be one view and one opinion allowed. Good bye it has been fun posting here with you all. We may not have always agreed but since my opinion does not follow the herd sometimes I know it will not be allowed. Good bye.
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If I reply to a post....and most of the posts on the "old" Disqus site were, in fact, responses to others' posts....I'm presuming my response will be posted directly beneath the comment I reference. This would imply that the "quality rating" scores dropping poorly rated posts to the bottom of the page, would only apply...
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Gary, yes, that's where the algorithms will intervene to prevent abuse.
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Truly, these guys are one of the more screwy collections of misfits we've seen in Oregon for a while. Scary, too.
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Tried to sign on via Facebook and use my name, as I have been, got the email to "claim" my name. Followed that prompt. Still couldn't log in. Cleared the browser, tried twice more: Still no bueno. Provided the funnier name this is posted under... Very odd. --kurt
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It's not about one point of view, it's about expressing your point of view in a manner that your fellow posters find civil.
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Notapenny: You and I have sometimes agreed and often disagreed on issues. However, as an individual, I value your contributions to the discussions. I share your concerns with "peer censorship". I've addressed that concern with the staff of the Civil Conversation organization and have been assured that safeguards are...
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What if his opinion is that most other commenters are idiots? :-)
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It looks like sorting by likes sorts the parent-level comments so replies stay attached.
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Gary, if you use the little "reply" arrow on the bottom-right of each comment, your reply should show up below that comment, as expected. Only the comments that are not direct replies are sorted by highest-rated.
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does this mean that replies will not be "peer-reviewed"? Or does it mean those peer reviews just won't drop a reply "down the page" if the parent-level comment doesn't drop. ah, below I just saw the answer from aja b. , direct replies, indeed, will not be sorted....however, I presume they will still be subject to ...
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I'm hoping that most of the regular posters hang around. Jaded Jade and I have some unfinished business (City Engineer?) and I would hate to see that go away.
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I would say give it a chance but I wouldn't be surprised if things go as you say.
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S0me of these outfits are exactly what I expected when it said "Vancouver". You know which guy, come on. Come. On.
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Be nice to see the harassment comments, or just plain hateful ones, go away
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Thanks for giving it a chance. :)
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For some reason I cannot log into Civil Comments on my Mac using Chrome, but using Safari things work fine. I hope this helps. I have no doubt many people stayed from commenting as they didn't want to subject themselves to insults or other hassles. I hope this works and am glad the RG is doing this. Hugh Massengill, E...
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There doesn't seem to be a way to correct a typo, like Disqus let us. So I guess I will have to live with my terrible spelling. Hugh
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Mr. Baker, I trust your judgment on this change. Let's see if civil discourse is still alive and well in 2016.
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It's not exactly "breaking news" that chronic absenteeism is a major issue in schools. Nor is it news that it has a devistating impact on school success. I'd predict any study of "drop outs" would indicate that the "dropping out" was preceded by a period, often a very long period, of such absenteeism. The education ...
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Hugh, thanks so much for letting us know! I'm going to do more tests on Chrome right now; I'm so glad you were able to log in using Safari. Indeed, a lot of people do avoid commenting because they fear being verbally attacked or threatened. Hopefully our system is a step in the right direction; we'll keep working to ...
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This is a great change. I've often thought of these boards as a microcosm of downtown Eugene. Open to all, but a small group harass and intimidate others to the point they no longer want to visit. I welcome and enjoy reading points of views that differ from my own, and I appreciate the extra information given by kn...
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It will be great to see more thoughtful discussion in the comments. Hopefully the Oregonian picks up the same or similar system because they have it the worst right now when it comes to trolls.
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Good on Jules Bailey for not being a corporate sell-out, definitely getting my vote for PDX Mayor.
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Thanks shakey. Hope to see you around - we'll be adding more features as the weeks go by, so let us know if there are changes you'd like to see.
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It's probably better if we just forgot about them until their investigation is over and bears results.
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Downtown is going to build up, guaranteed, so we need to get creative about how we display and feature street food. The continuity of traffic and attention that the pods get is super-important, and I think you could find ways to replicate that feel, even in the context of a new high rise. I'd love to see leased micro-b...
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Typo correction is a tricky thing for us, since we rely on peer moderation. What if someone were to write a perfectly civil comment, get it through peer review, and then use the edit function to write something really nasty or threatening? Or what if they first write something like, "Dog food tastes awful," get a ton ...
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To the comment by PUC, clearly a decrease in demand would encourage the shut down of coal facilities in neighboring states. Basic economics.
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Well, I couldn't get my username "Xavier_Malcolm" to work. So I try a new one and voila. I don't have much to say on this issue, I"m just testing. But I have a feeling it won't stop certain "contributors" from lying, and it won't stop the comments from those who think they're better because they use "real names."
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Funny... when the weather forecast was sun for Sunday and Monday, we were locked in fog. Now you say it will be foggy until 4 pm and it is bright and sunny outside at noon!
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Let's all use this opportunity to look at the present challenges before us in 2016 and come here to say what we think about them candidly. Things will get done if we can identify where the common ground is and work towards making Lane County a better place for everyone.
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I am concerned that info or opinions that do not fit the norm or status quo could be seen as incongruent or subverting predominant paradigms and be targeted for removal. Investigative research seems to be the exception at this period of history with sound bites and 140 character comments trumping meaningful exchanges i...
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The Ducks are looking like a legitimate team with a shot to go far in the NCAA tournament. Dylan Brooks is shooting lights out. Way to go Ducks!
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