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volunteer
Um, all right. So, example 12. Now we have um
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an improper fraction
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student
yes
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student
i solve it?
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volunteer
Yes, you solve it.
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volunteer
I feel like that's the best way to do um
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volunteer
the example problems because we actually have a solution and have it all written out. I think it's best that you kind of practice it on your own.
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volunteer
And then we can compare
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volunteer
the methodology
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student
okay, on it
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volunteer
Don't forget I have the table on the board.
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volunteer
So if you want to minimize the, if you want to minimize my screen to look at it.
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student
yes, i m looking at it
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volunteer
Oh
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student
done
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volunteer
All right, let's confirm.
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volunteer
Did you get
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volunteer
X minus 5 log.
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X minus 2 + 10 logx minus 3 natural long, of course.
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student
oh no, i didn't
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student
i didn't change in proper frac
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volunteer
Oh, you just try to do
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volunteer
straight
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volunteer
X^2 + 1, try to integrate that straight.
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volunteer
What did you use as
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volunteer
your substitution
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volunteer
or your parameter
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volunteer
So that's what I was curious about
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student
i directly did like last question. i did it wrong way
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volunteer
Hm
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volunteer
Uh, you tried to find A and B immediately.
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volunteer
which you would have to do.
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volunteer
A + B + C. We had to have a a C term
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volunteer
cause you'd have
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volunteer
you have 3 equations, right? You got
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volunteer
an X^2 term, an X term and a 1 term, which doesn't really work out. And this is um
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volunteer
well, when we started this morning, this is what, what I
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volunteer
I was doing problems from the exercises. And there was one of them that had
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volunteer
um an improper fraction like this, and I was getting stuck the same way you are.
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volunteer
It wasn't until that we were reading the
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volunteer
the theory that I realized why it has to be an improper fraction to use this method.
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volunteer
And that we can't really
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figure out straight, like it gets more complicated, we try to just keep using substitution method to solve these kinds of
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volunteer
uh improper functions.
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volunteer
Anyway, um,
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volunteer
I mean, you can do it the other way, but I'd recommend using
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volunteer
the methodology they give cause that's what we're here to practice.
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student
we can't use substitution here, bcuz how?
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volunteer
You could also use your method too to practice that. But right now they're just kind of they didn't want you to practice using this methodology.
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volunteer
because how we can't use substitution? Well, here's a question if we use substitution
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what would we use
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volunteer
right? Because the numerator can't be
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volunteer
um
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reduced any further
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volunteer
The denominator can be reduced to two expressions
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volunteer
and say you set T is equal to
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volunteer
one of the expressions
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volunteer
and you rewrote the numerator, you would still have an improper fraction.
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volunteer
or say you
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student
yeah, i reduced in two expression
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volunteer
converted um
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volunteer
say you converted this expression and instead of using tea, you decide to use a trig function.
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volunteer
and then you'd have to
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volunteer
try solving that way and I'd still be complicated.
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volunteer
Um, because you'd have, say, say you said that um
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cosine theta is equal to X minus 2.
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volunteer
right
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volunteer
And then the denominator, you would have cosine, cosine theta, times, cosine plus one, right? So you'd end up with like co-signed squared plus cosine in the denominator.
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volunteer
But in the numerator, you have to rewrite it.
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volunteer
and it would still get complicated, right? You'd have like cosine plus something, cosine squared plus something, and
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student
it will be very complicatded, bcuz now we have polynomal andtrig
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volunteer
denominator cosines, cosine square plus cosine squared, and then you try to use the trigger identities and it's just too complicated.
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volunteer
Yeah.
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volunteer
Right. So those, cause that's just using the two methodologies that they've shown so far, right? Which would be substitution and trig identities.
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volunteer
Um
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volunteer
Now for the, the method they're giving here, well, I mean, I guess the other um methodology they give is just an antiderivation where you just look for
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um
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things that you know
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are the derivatives of something
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volunteer
Um, but that isn't as straightforward here either.
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volunteer
So, um, and if we would go back, remember?
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uh right here.
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volunteer
If P over Q is improper, right? And they define
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proper fractions
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such that the degree of P is less than the degree of Q.
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right?
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volunteer
Then you have to do long division.
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volunteer
I know you try to do this problem without doing long division.
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volunteer
And that's why I, um
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volunteer
I don't know if you heard me when we were going through this, but I was kind of
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trying to emphasize, you know, how do they define what a proper and improper is.
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and, you know
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the long division process.
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student
yeah, I heard you. but i didn't took notice of it in question i forgot
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volunteer
Yeah, and that's one of those things that like, you don't realize is important until you start doing problems and you're like, oh, OK, I guess I do need to know why they phrase it this way or why we're using this methodology or in what conditions we use it in.
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student
yes right
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volunteer
Yeah, so don't, don't, don't be upset. That's the same trap that I fell into.
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volunteer
And I was
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forced
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out of
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