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You've been president four years.
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You said you'd cut the deficit in half.
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If you're re-elected, we'll get to a trillion-dollar debt.
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Why don't I want to raise taxes on people?
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Well, the economy is still growing slow.
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And the reality is it's not just wealthy people -- you mentioned Donald Trump.
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It's not just Donald Trump you're taxing.
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You raise taxes and you kill jobs.
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That's why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs.
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Well, we've had this discussion before.
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That's how we get growth and how we balance the budget.
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We're now spending 42 percent of our economy on government.
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If -- if we're serious, we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach.
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Now, I've identified areas where we can, right away, make a change that I believe would actually help the economy.
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My attitude is, if you got a corporate jet, you can probably afford to pay full freight, not get a special break for it.
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Well, I want to do the same thing, but I've actually identified how we can do that.
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And part of the way to do it is to not give tax breaks to companies that are shipping jobs overseas.
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I think most Americans would say that doesn't make sense.
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And so if we take a balanced approach, what that then allows us to do is also to help young people, the way we already have during my administration, make sure that they can afford to go to college.
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That is not a recipe for growth.
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And so budgets reflect choices.
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Ultimately, we're going to have to make some decisions.
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And if we're asking for no revenue, then that means that we've got to get rid of a whole bunch of stuff.
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As I indicated before, when you talk about shifting Medicaid to states, we're talking about potentially a 30 -- a 30 percent cut in Medicaid over time.
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First of all, the Department of Energy has said the tax break for oil companies is $2.8 billion a year.
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And in one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world.
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Now, I like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years' worth of what oil and gas receives.
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But, you know, if we get that tax rate from 35 percent down to 25 percent, why that $2.8 billion is on the table.
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But don't forget, you put $90 billion, like 50 years' worth of breaks, into -- into solar and wind, to Solyndra and Fisker and Tester and Ener1.
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I mean, I had a friend who said you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers, all right?
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What we do have right now is a setting where I'd like to bring money from overseas back to this country.
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And, finally, Medicaid to states?
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So -- so let's state -- one of the magnificent things about this country is the whole idea that states are the laboratories of democracy.
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Don't have the federal government tell everybody what kind of training programs they have to have and what kind of Medicaid they have to have.
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You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position.
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My grandfather died a while back.
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So the way for us to deal with Medicare in particular is to lower health care costs.
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But on Medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion from the program.
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We're going to give a better prescription program.
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That's $1 -- that's $1 for every $15 you've cut.
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They're smart enough to know that's not a good trade.
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But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake.
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The idea, which was originally presented by Congressman Ryan, your running mate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance.
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The problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year.
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AARP thinks that the -- the savings that we obtained from Medicare bolster the system, lengthen the Medicare trust fund by eight years.
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And ironically, if you repeal Obamacare, and I have become fond of this term, "Obamacare," if you repeal it, what happens is those seniors right away are going to be paying $600 more in prescription care.
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They're now going to have to be paying copays for basic checkups that can keep them healthier.
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And the primary beneficiary of that repeal are insurance companies that are estimated to gain billions of dollars back when they aren't making seniors any healthier.
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And I don't think that's the right approach when it comes to making sure that Medicare is stronger over the long term.
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And the president supports taking $716 billion out of that program.
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So that's -- that's number one.
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So they don't have to pay additional money, no additional $6,000.
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They'll have at least two plans.
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And by the way, if the government can be as efficient as the private sector and offer premiums that are as low as the private sector, people will be happy to get traditional Medicare or they'll be able to get a private plan.
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I'd just assume not have the government telling me what kind of health care I get.
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I'd rather be able to have an insurance company.
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If I don't like them, I can get rid of them and find a different insurance company.
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We have to make sure this program is there for the long term.
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And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or -- or Senator Wyden, who's the co-author of the bill with -- with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill -- Bill Clinton's chief of staff.
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This is an idea that's been around a long time, which is saying, hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the Medicare world so that people can get the choice of different plans at lower cost, better quality.
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Jim, if I -- if I can just respond very quickly, first of all, every study has shown that Medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it.
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And so you've got higher administrative costs, plus profit on top of that.
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And that's why they were supportive of the approach that we took.
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One last point I want to make.
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That's -- that's a big topic.
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Can we -- can we stay on Medicare?
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Let's get back to Medicare.
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The president said that the government can provide the service at lower cost and without a profit.
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As a businessperson, I had to have -- I need to know the regulations.
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At the same time, regulation can become excessive.
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And what's happened with some of the legislation that's been passed during the president's term, you've seen regulation become excessive, and it's hurt -- it's hurt the economy.
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Let me give you an example.
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There've been 122 community and small banks have closed since Dodd- Frank.
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Well, I would repeal and replace it.
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You have to have regulation.
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And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.
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Now, it wasn't just on Wall Street.
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You had loan officers were -- that were giving loans and mortgages that really shouldn't have been given, because the folks didn't qualify.
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But in the past, Governor Romney has said he just want to repeal Dodd- Frank, roll it back.
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It wasn't thought through properly.
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So banks are reluctant to make loans, mortgages.
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It's hurt the housing market because Dodd-Frank didn't anticipate putting in place the kinds of regulations you have to have.
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It's not that Dodd-Frank always was wrong with too much regulation.
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And the number of small businesses I've gone to that are saying they're dropping insurance because they can't afford it, the cost of health care is just prohibitive.
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And -- and we've got to deal with cost.
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Instead, it's gone up by that amount.
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And three-quarters of them said it makes us less likely to hire people.
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It wasn't just that this was the biggest driver of our federal deficit, our overall health care costs, but it was families who were worried about going bankrupt if they got sick, millions of families, all across the country.
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And let me tell you exactly what Obamacare did.
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And it also says that you're going to have to get rebates if insurance companies are spending more on administrative costs and profits than they are on actual care.
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... the irony is that we've seen this model work really well in Massachusetts, because Governor Romney did a good thing, working with Democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and as a consequence people are covered there.
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Well, I did with my first statement.
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What you did instead was to push through a plan without a single Republican vote.
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You've raised them by $1 trillion under Obamacare.
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Of course, we don't have Medicare, but we didn't cut Medicare by $716 billion.
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We didn't put in place a board that can tell people ultimately what treatments they're going to receive.
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Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.
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And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.
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They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan.
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And Governor Romney at the beginning of this debate wrote and said what we did in Massachusetts could be a model for the nation.
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