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In article <1993Apr21.124053.29722@exu.ericsson.se> lmcmasc@noah.ericsson.se writes:
>Could anyone post the game summary for the Sabres-Bruins game.
Grant Fuhr rules! -).
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Here is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation.
(w/o permission. I hope that is ok)
Jose
Bad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple
Macintosh PowerBook Duos)
MacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132.
COPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993
By Raines Cohen
Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook
Duos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss
and other problems.
Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week
issued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM
products from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify.
Other vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist.
> Self-refresh. The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called
selfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps. But
Technology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with
nonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to
wake from sleep.
Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part
number stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips
instead have an L, according to TechWorks. The chip label, however, may
not tell the whole story. Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses
nonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed
while the Duo sleeps.
> Speed. Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo
cards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology
Works said. However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are
certified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed.
Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers
Duo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is
compatible with the slower chips.
> Space. Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that
some third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner
of the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally
when in a Duo Dock.
Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it
originally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all
customers free upgrades to cards that fit.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
In article <1993Apr3.223215.20655@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes:
> Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the
>Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping
>withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now.
> There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers
>finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear there reasons
>for disbelief at this point.
Probably because you have yet to respond to the refutation I've posted.
Teel, it's bad enough you post this bs, it's even worse that you don't
even try to defend it when it gets torn to pieces, but then posting
that no one's looked at it and gloating when all facts point to the
contrary point to a severely deluded mind.
What I found interesting about Conklin's letter is the
6 cases he has won against the IRS. Now, assuming that
these cases really exist and were one by him (anyone checked?)
they may have nothing to do with his major tax claim. The IRS fought
one of his deductions. Defending your deductions seems puny when
you believe that there is no need to file in the first place!
--
Bernard Silver
GTE Laboratories
bsilver@gte.com
(617) 466-2663
| 18talk.politics.misc |
The Isles picked one hell-of-a-time to get their first win all year after being
down after 2 periods. The Caps seemed to have the game in hand playing steady
defense and getting great goaltending from Tabaracci. The Isles power play
philosophy continues to be dump-and-chase which, except for boardaholics like
Flatley, doesn't work against the Caps. I hope Al realizes this!! They have too
many talented finesse players, so why not carry the puck in and set-up??? If
last night's game is any omen, the Isles could be on their way to that ole
championship form; COMING from behind late in a game. My advice to the Caps is
to pounce on those Healy Rebounds. Flatley showed alot of heart by playing the
last period and overtime despite an almost swollen-shut left eye injury
suffered at the hands of Dale Hunter. Ray Ferraro has arrived just in time for
the playoffs showing the fiesty hustle that us Islander fans remember from an
Italian from the past; JOHN TONELLI!!! It was Tonelli who won a similar game
against the PENS in game 5 on the 82 playoffs. The Isles scored two late third
period goals to send the game into OT tied at 3. In OT, Tonelli scored the game
winner to send the Isles to the next round. The Isles have lacked this tenacity
for years, but perhaps its BACK! It was good to see the Coliseum packed just
like the ole days!!! Good luck to the Isles the rest of the way!!!!!
John Scialdone
SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV
"""And the Home of the Brave""" Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Vince Welnick
April 12, 1993: Opening Day, Candlestick Park
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
>DATE: 19 Apr 93 23:23:26 GMT
>FROM: Bake Timmons <timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu>
>
>My my, there _are_ a few atheists with time on their hands. :)
>
>OK, first I apologize. I didn't bother reading the FAQ first and so fired an
>imprecise flame. That was inexcusable.
>
How about the nickname Bake "Flamethrower" Timmons?
You weren't at the Koresh compound around noon today by any chance, were you?
Remember, Koresh "dried" for your sins.
And pass that beef jerky. Umm Umm.
| 0alt.atheism |
The Waco Quiz
What would you do in the following hypothetical situations?
You have committed no crime. The BATF conducts a "no-knock" raid.
a) Hands in air. Say "Do you have a warrant?" Think of hefty suit settlement.
b) Say "You have 1 second to identify yourself as a cop or I shoot."
c) Shoot. Heck, at least in federal prison you might get to have sex.
You have killed federal agents. They blast strange music at you.
a) Come out with hands up. "I wish to turn state's evidence." Hope deal's good.
b) Wait, figuring other federal agents will get bored and go on vacation.
c) Wait. If they come after you there will be a chance to kill MORE g-men.
The FBI has you surrounded, asks you to come out immediately.
a) Come out, figuring long prison term is chance to catch up on some writing.
b) Stall. You just can't concentrate when you're on trial for some reason.
c) Decide to write novel-length prophecy now while ideas are fresh in mind.
FBI calls and says they will use tear gas if you don't come out.
a) Come out with hands up. Your radical bro-in-law hated getting gassed at UC.
b) Get out your gas mask. Really, these feds will have to give up eventually.
c) Shoot at vehicles delivering tear gas. It's rude to break down a man's door!
FBI calls and says they will use tanks to break down your walls.
a) Come out with your hands up. Flimsy cardboard construction won't last long.
b) With presence of mind, move flammable devices away from tinder-dry haybales.
c) Spread some kerosene around and hit a match. Big Schwarzenegger ending.
Points are awarded in the following manner: 0 points for every (a) answer,
-1 points for every (b) answer, and -2 points for every (c) answer.
Count 'em up and compare with your friends!
If you answered (a) all the time, you are probably in jail, but alive.
If you answered (b) all the time, you may still be holed up in your compound.
If you answered (c) all the time, you are probably dead.
(Feel free to copy this and distribute to your friends.)
--
| The Koresh cult standoff is over ... may his victims Recquiescat in Pace |
| |
| (the above is a net.moment of silence) |
Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Is it possible to plug an ordinary ISA card into a VESA localbus slot?
I am running out of slots and I have one spare localbus slot.
--
Doug Rabson, IOC Ltd. | Email: dfr@ioc.co.uk
Phone: +44 81 528 9864 | drabson@cix.compulink.co.uk
Fax: +44 81 528 9878 |
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
There was a recent discussion of Dungeons and Dragons and other role
playing games. Since there is a lot of crossover between gamers and
science fiction and fantasy fans, I will mention that I am the editor
and publisher of RADIO FREE THULCANRA, a Christian-oriented science
fiction fanzine. It is not a Christian magazine with a special
interest in science fiction. It is a science fiction fanzine with a
special interest in Christianity. Gaming is not a major topic of
discussion but it has come up in some letters. (No, there are no
arguments about whether D&D is satanic. People who think it is are
not likely to be reading RFT.) Anyway, I am now working on the April
issue. I will send a sample copy to any reader of
soc.religion.christian who requests it. It is printed on paper, so
requests should include a snail-mail address.
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Marty Helgesen
Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
"What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Tippman 68 Special Semi-Auto Rifle
120 round feeder
18 inch barrel - composite
14 inch barrel - composite
6 inch barrel - composite
20oz CO2 tank
silencer
1200 rounds of paint
plus whatever else I have in the box.
all this for $375 or best offer
--
Why, you take the most gallant sailor, the most intrepid
airman or the most audacious soldier, put them at a table
together - what do you get? The sum of their fears.
- Winston Churchill
| 6misc.forsale |
I am urgently looking for the following article, can I cannot find it
anywhere in our local libraries:
John Allen Smith
"The Multi-Threaded X Server"
The X Resource
Issue 1, pp. 73-89, Winter 1992
If anyone can tell me where I can find it, I WILL much appreciate it!!
H.F. Sadie
Departement of Computer Science
University of Stellenbosch
South Africa
e-mail: sadie@itu.sun.ac.za
| 5comp.windows.x |
I understood that there are two methods to connect application code to widgets:
callbacks and actions
The problem I face now is that I have a quite long piece of application code
that performs a lot of drawing into a window. I want to connect this to a
widget. No problem so far. I could use a callback function or an action to do this, processing any events afterwards.
But because the drawing takes some while, I want the application code sequence
to be able to be interrupted by events. Then I want to handle the events
and resume with processing the application code at the point it was
interrupted.
It seems to me that this isn't possible, but how can I give the user the
impression that his inputs are immediately processed ?
Has anybody an idea?
Please answer via e-mail.
Thanks in advance.
Soenke
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soenke@wiwi12.uni-bielefeld.de University of Bielefeld
W-4800 Bielefeld 1
Germany
The only difference between me and a madman is
that I am not mad ! (Salvador Dali)
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| 5comp.windows.x |
If anyone would have a low quantity distributer for these little
beasts (3479P) by Motorola, please let me know!
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| |
_______ | Baden de Bari |
/ \ | baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |
(| o o |) | baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |
| ^ | | >> True life can only |
\ -=- / | >> be experianced by |
\_____/ | >> those who do not fear death. |
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1p5e0tINNojp@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell) writes:
>My advisor has decided to get a mac for the lab now that we are funded again.
>
>The consensus in the lab was that all we really needed was an LCIII, but
>he decided he wanted a centris 610. The lack of an fpu on that machine,
>and the price, struck me as making it worth less than an LCIII, so I have
>suggested we get a IIvx instead. It seems heavily expandable, and for
>
>what do people with IIvx's think of them? They seem like good machines to
>me, and I like the Nubus slots in case we ultimately decide we want to do
>work with video on it....
The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price. The only reason
to get an IIvx is if you really need the full-size Nubus slots. Keep
in mind that the 610 supports all Apple monitors and has optional Ethernet.
This lessens (but doesn't eliminate) the need for Nubus cards. And unless
you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the
LCIII and the IIvx. The LCIII, on the other hand, is sufficient for most
people and has a great price.
If you haven't guessed, I find halving the bus clock (the IIvx 32MHz uP vs.
16MHz bus) a throughly bad thing and I hope Apple never does it again.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|Joe Finete |
|jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu |
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5Jv7A.7F7@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>The USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people
>there are rather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who
>they loathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked
>attack. Hardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is
>meant to be the country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there
>is to be movement it would be easier for the USA to move.
>
>Phill Hallam-Baker
It is also widely stated (in non-mainstream sources) that the CIA had a
large part in the overthrow of the popular (and popularly-elected)
left-leaning Premier Mossadegh in 1953. Is this widely recognized outside
the U.S.? (I have never seen it mentioned at all in mainstream U.S.
media.) How about within Iran?
--
Dave Kohr CS Graduate Student Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561 Home: (217)359-9350 E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
"One either has none or not enough."
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hal Heydt writes:
>That was only the fall of the *Western* Empire. The *Eastern* Empire
>continued for another 1000 years--and a key element in it's fall was
>the *Christian* sack of Constantinople.
Note that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire. The Roman Empire
lasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople. The
main reason for it's fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by
the men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been
excommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city
of Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of
Mazinkert. After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter
of time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto
the rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle
should be quite obvious to any student of history. The sack of
Constantinople only hastened the inevitable along. For if the Greeks
had wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the
Crusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd
Crusades? Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they
considered heretics, even though those "heretics" were fighting for the
cause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish
hordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some
hordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of
Europe (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.)
Andy Byler
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Hey,
I have a Color Watchman by SONY for sale. It is 6"x3"x1" in total
and the screen is 2.75" diagonal, over 2" wide, over 1.5" tall. I got it 2
years ago for $320, so I'm asking $160 obo.
* VHF and UHF switch for channels 2 through 69.
* slot for Audio/Video in from VCR (appropriate cord provided)
* slot for phones
* slot for A/C adaptor (A/C adaptor also provided)
* slot for external Antenna (internal antenna provided)
* On/Off switch
* Manual Tuning, Volume, Brightness and Hue
* Battery run as well (4 AA batteries provided)
It's been used very little. Looks like new. Email if interested.
-dave
| 6misc.forsale |
Steve Hix writes:
>Is there NOWHERE on the net that this guy WILL NOT POST?
>
>Not to mention, is there ANYWHERE that he makes any
>SENSE?!
Of course there is.
Perhaps the Vogons will put in a hyperspace bypass so that he can get there.
Alan T. Furman | Don't blame me -- I voted Libertarian
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
atfurman@cup.portal.com | (800)682-1776 for more information
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In a previous article, Thomas.Tornblom@Nexus.Comm.SE (Thomas Tornblom) says:
>In article <1993Apr21.191744.3072@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
>
> I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today
> have v engines.
>
> V4 - I don't know of any.
> V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6?
>
>VW Golf/Passat 2.8l VR6 (inline V6!), very narrow angle (11 deg?), one head.
~~15
>Audi 80/100 2.6/2.8l V6
>
> V8 - Don't know of any.
>
>Audi V8 3.6/4.2l
>Some MBs
>Some BMWs
>
> V12 - Jaguar XJS
>BMW 750/850
>MB *600*
>
> Please add to the list.
>
>
> Thanks,
> -S
> ssave@ole.cdac.com
>--
>Real life: Thomas Törnblom Email: Thomas.Tornblom@Nexus.Comm.SE
>Snail mail: Communicator Nexus AB Phone: +46 18 171814
> Box 857 Fax: +46 18 696516
> S - 751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>
DREW
| 7rec.autos |
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:39:20 GMT, sarfatti@netcom.com (Jack Sarfatti) said:
js> Question: what is the power spectrum of the bursts. Are their sharp lines?
js> If so, can they be interpreted as blue-shifted atomic or molecular lines?
Don't remember the spectra, but have seen some autocorrelation functions
recently. The ACFs show correlation times of milliseconds to 10s of
seconds; interestingly, the higher energies show a shorter correlation
time.
js> Can electron-positron annihilation gammas be seen in the bursts? Are they
js> red shifted or blue shifted?
I believe there were claims from an earlier satellite (Ginga?) of
detection of cyclotron absorption lines. These lines were taken as
strong evidence for neutron stars being the objects responsible for
GRBs since the magnetic field indicated was 1.0E12, fairly typical
for a neutron star. However, Compton GRO has not seen any of these
lines and I get the impression that many are beginning to doubt whether
these lines were ever real.
js> Since the bursts are isotropic and maybe in the galactic halo they may
js> be saying something about dark matter in the halo.
*If* the bursts are in the halo, they most certainly are saying something
about dark matter there. However, if they are in the halo, in order
that they appear isotropic, the "core radius" of the halo (i.e. the
innermost region of the halo) has to be greater than about 50 kpc.
The halo itself would stretch much further than this. Since the
Andromeda Galaxy is only 700 kpc away, we should be seeing bursts
from that galaxy's halo, which we aren't.
js> If the bursts are something like the cosmic black body radiation from
js> way back then where are the red shifts - I mean cosmological red shifts?
Remember to get a redshift, one needs some type of emission or
absorption line so one can compare the observed line frequency
to the rest line frequency. Since no lines are seen in GRB spectra,
that comparison cannot be made.
--
| e-mail: lazio@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu
T. Joseph Lazio | phone: (607) 255-6420
| ICBM: 42 deg. 20' 08" N 76 deg. 28' 48" W
Cornell knows I exist?!? | STOP RAPE
| 14sci.space |
Okay, the Caps AGAIN are about to break out the golf clubs but before they
do, does anyone have the history of the Washington Capitals' futility
record in the playoffs? I remember that Terry's first year was the first
year that the Caps finally made it to the third round but before under
Brian, I noticed that every other year the Caps got to the second round
and the years in between they didn't make it past the first round. Is this
trend continuning?
The Admiral, a hopeless Caps fan.
P.S. We still remember that 3 OT loss to the Islanders! Aurggghhhhhhhhh!
____________________________________________________________________________
|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu|
|1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards|
| 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals |
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
>In <1qid8s$ik0@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz)
writes:
>I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes
>coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of
>conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may
>be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is
>murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion
>coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.
I share Dennis's outrage over a similar manner. I have recently become aware
that my health insurance includes coverage for illness and injuries
suffered by Christians. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums
may be used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is divine
punishment for their sinful conduct. In addition these folks are able to
avail themselves of such alternative therapies as Lourdes, Fatima,
Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, etc. In any case as "Jesus Saves' I feel
that there is no reason for them to be covering their bets at my
expense. I would like to request that I be exempted from Christian
coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.
Jack Carroll
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Sumatriptan(Imitrex) just became available in the US in a subcutaneous
injectable form. Is there an oral form available in CA? A friend(yes
really not me!) has severe migranes about 2-3 times per week. We
live right by the CA border and he has gotten drugs for GERD prescribed
by a US physician and filled in a CA pharmacy, but not yet FDA approved
in the US. What would be the cost of the oral form in CA$ also if
anyone would have that info?
Thanks
| 13sci.med |
Hi.
Our problem is the following:
We have to design an RF link for a distance of 250 m. We're using
standard RS232 waves (square pulses) as the modulating waves and the
carrier wave is sinusoidal. The link has to be bidirectional.
We would appreciate any advice on the type of modulating techniques
or antennas that we should use.
Please internet email us at: 007gjf3@witsvma.wits.ac.za (Nando)
or 007bww3@witsvma.wits.ac.za (Warren)
or blumenow@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (Warren)
Thank you very much in advance.
N & W
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C4tDGt.Mqq@csn.org> rjn@teal.csn.org wrote:
> csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes:
>
> : I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including
> : Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm
> : confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype.
>
> If you are going to stay with ATM, be sure to upgrade to 2.5, which
> replaces 2.0. Who knows how old 1.15 is. 2.5 is as fast as TT, and if
> you disable the small screen fonts, ATM does better screen rendering at
> the smaller point sizes.
Not true! Both Type 1 and TT fonts can be of excellent quality and poor quality
at any size. It all depends on the font's maker and the complexity of the glyphs
related to the size and resolution at which they are viewed. Probably the reason
for your opinion/experience that TT is inferior is because most TT fonts on the
market today have been converted from Type 1 outlines to TT either by the font
vendor or end-users using Fontographer or FontMonger instead of the TT fonts being
hand-hinted to take advantage of the TT hinting language. At best these converted
TT fonts will be on a par with the Type 1 font of its orgin.
TrueType is a much richer and more robust hinting language than Type 1 (the hinting
of diagonals for instance, which TT does and Type 1 cannot). If you check out the
Windows 3.1 core fonts (Times, Arial, Courier, Symbol, Wingdings) you'll see what can
be done with TT. There are other fonts out there that have been hand-hinted and not
just converted. Some of the Microsoft TT Font Pack 2 fonts are hinted very well.
> You can use both TT and ATM fonts at the same time, if you like.
> ATM (Type 1) fonts tend to be of higher quality
> and be more complete in terms of foreign characters.
Again, not true. The characters in a TT or Type 1 font depend on the maker. If someone
converts a Type 1 font to TT they'll only get the characters in the font of orgin. TT
allows for much more flexibility in this area as well. You can have thousands of glyphs
in a TT font file (Mac/PS/Windows/Unicode char set) and use the characters appropriate
for the particular platform you are running the font on. For instance, all or our fontpack
2 TT fonts have the Mac/Windows char set in them. The metrics of the fonts are such that
if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set.
> Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road
> Bob Niland Suite 503
> Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525
> CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209
Hope this clears up some of the confusion. Feel free to contact me if anyone would like
more info.
Regards,
Dave Glenn
Program Manager, Microsoft TT font stuff
davidgl@microsoft.com
compuserve: 72420,1067
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
[massive dan blather mercifully deleted.]
>>His last sentence says it all. Who the hell ARE we (or the government)
>>to judge their religion as wrong. This event, I hope, will be recorded
>>in history as the American Holocaust. These people were murdered
>>by the US government just as surely as the jews were by the Nazis.
>>I hang my head in shame for what I've allowed my government to become.
>I have NEVER judged them by their religion, but by their ACTIONS.
>If they had lived a quiet, religious life as they claimed, there would
>have been no raid, no siege, and no deaths. Instead, they chose courses
>of action at every turn that were at the very least STUPID, if not
>IRRATIONAL. The first was to stockpile weapons. The second was to
>shoot federal agents. The third was to stay inside.
Last time I checked, "amassing an arsenal" and practicing any kind of
religion were mentioned in passing in the Bill of Rights. Guess it's
OK with you if we just brush 'em aside in order to justify killing
a bunch of religious nutcakes, eh?
Of all the idiots I run into in daily life, Dan, your type scare me the
most. You'll accept expediency and a coward's safety over any belief
just as long as the government tells you to. You assume that anyone who
doesn't comform to your beliefs and ways of thinking are wrong and
therefore bad. Worse, you seem to accept without question what the
government says is wrong to be wrong.
David Koresh's religion was not mine but then again, neither are the baptists,
methodists, catholics or any of the rest of the corporate religions. BUT
even though Koresh's, the Baptists, the methodists, etc, don't believe
the same way I do, I recognize that their religions are equally valid
to mine and more importantly are equally protected under the 1st Amendment.
You see, I'm not that much different than Koresh and I suspect many others
fit the same catagory. I read the Bible many times and as I learned
from it, I discovered that a lot of what corporate religions practice
just isn't justified by MY interpretation of the Bible. Therefore I go
my own way. So did Koresh. And neither you nor I nor anyone else,
either individually or collectively as the great socialist "we" has ANY
RIGHT WHATSOEVER to tell me or you or Koresh that our religions are wrong.
You seem to think that it would have been oh so easy for the Davidians to
just forsake everything they believed in and walk out of their compound
in order to "save themselves". Think (if you're capable) for a moment
about some belief you hold dearest. Would you abandon that belief if
suddenly told to do so by the government? If you would do so you are
beneath contempt. Let's assume you have a belief that you hold dear
enough to commit your life to. Do you think it would be the correct
course of action for your government to initiate actions specifically
designed to force you to make that "forsake or die" decision?
The "forsake or die" option is exactly what the government forced on the
Davidians the day the first wave of black-clad stormtroopers fired that
first shot and tossed that first grenade. The FBI clenched it on Day 51
when they sent in heavy armor against 80-some-odd men, women and
children holed up in a rickety old building and armed with small arms. The
people who stayed, who held to their beliefs over personal safety, whose
individual personal honors demanded they die rather than submit, who
believed that the Bill of Rights meant exactly what it says, to those
people go my deepest respect, regardless of their religion. People like
you who blithely blow off the murder of 80 people with "well they could
have come out" get my most scornful contempt. I'd spit in your face
were there not a network between us. You're not worth the ashes of
those people who burned.
John
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
There are many Urban Legends (maybe this ought to be in the Crypt
FAQ?) about what is actually sufficient to clear or declassify
magnetic media when used for classified data. Here is some
information "from the horse's mouth".
(Regarding the sufficient overwriting of media ("clearing") meant to
be *retained* within the controlled environment, or declassifying
the material to be reused *outside* the controlled environment,)
From National Telecommunications and Information Systems
Security (NTISS) "Advisory Memorandum on Office Automation
Security Guidelines" (NTISSAM COMPUSEC/1/87):
------
"7.6.2.1 Clearing of Magnetic Media
Certain types of removable media (e.g., magnetic tape, floppy disk,
cassettes, and magnetic cards) may be cleared by overwriting the
entire media one time with any one character. Floppy disks may be
cleared by applying a vendor's formatting program that overwrites
each location with a given character.
Fixed media (e.g., Winchester disks) should be cleared by overwriting
at least one time with any one character. One way to do this is by
applying a vendor-supplied formatting program that overwrites each
location on the disk with a given character, if it can be shown that
this program actually works as advertised. The user should beware:
some programs that purport to overwrite all locations do not
actually do this.
Cleared media may be resides within the controlled facility or
released for destruction; however, they should be marked and
controlled at the level of the most restrictive sensitivity of
information ever recorded.
7.6.2.2 Declassification of Magnetic Media
Certain types of removable media can be declassified using a
degaussing device that has been approved for declassifying media of
that type. (A list of approved devices is maintained by the NSA.)
If a fixed medium (for example, a hard, or Winchester, disk) is
operative, an approved method of declassifying the disk pack is to
employ an overwrite procedure which must overwrite all
addressable locations at least three times by writing any character,
then its complement (e.g., binary ones and binary zeros)
alternatively.
When fixed media become inoperative, it is impossible to declassify
the media by the overwrite method. In this case, there are two
alternate procedures that may be used: (1) disassemble the disk
pack, and degauss each platter with the appropriate approved
degaussing equipment; and (2) courier the inoperative media to the
vendor's facility, have the magnetic media (e.g., disk platter)
removed in sight of the courier and returned to the courier for
destruction at the secure site. The vendor can then install new
platters and repair any other problems with the disk unit.
7.6.3 Destruction of Magnetic Media"
[see DoD Computer Security Center, "Department of Defense Magnetic
Remanence Security Guideline", CSC-STD-003-85 FOR OFFICIAL USE
ONLY]
------
This and many other interesting documents (many that are more
informative than probably intended) on computer security procedures
can be obtained (free) from:
Executive Secretary
National Telecommunications and Informations
Systems Security Committee
National Security Agency
Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000
Write them! It's fun to be on the NSA's mailing list...
--
grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F
| 11sci.crypt |
>Where did the hacker ethic go?
>
>We hackers of the 70's and 80' are now comfortably employed
>and supporting families. The next generation takes
>the radical lead now. Don't look for radicalism among us
>old ones; we're gone...
Perhaps all of us hackers have become (ICK) PROFESSIONALS? I have noticed
my and my associates progression from hackers to computer professionals.
It is rather distasteful. It occurs when a series of things happen:
1) one's ego outgrows one's talent/knowledge
2) one's financial situation takes precedence
3) A change in priorities (esp. family) possibly leading to 2)
4) the hacker's attitude makes the shift from "fun" to "work"
5) one's vocation burns away the creativity needed for "the hobby"
or the biggest killer (IMO)
6) one's dreams are (sadly) shattered on the hard rocks of society's
version of reality. Without the dream the motivation dies, without
the motivation the effort seems useless.
Another set of problems stems from our children. While most of us remember
when there were several completely different computer systems, our children
are growing up with just a few choices (MSDOS/Mac/Amiga) and do not enjoy
the diversity we did. I remember the great computer fallout of the early
eighties vividly as I was forced to stop using skills developed for systems
that were now dead. The diversity of systems before then allowed for widely
divergent paradigms. That period forced hackers to continually learn new
systems in the attempt to keep up. Not to mention that if a program was
needed we were forced (in most situations) to write it ourselves as a
commercial offering was just not available. Now our children are being
taught the "user" mentality. As the number of us "old-timers" dwindle we are
not being replaced by the next generation.
Kendall.
--
Kendall Sears krsear02@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Programmer ///
Child Development Unit /// Amiga
Department of Pediatrics \\\/// Currently running AmigaOS 3.0
University of Louisville \XX/ And Supporting Unix Sys V Rev 4.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Life is a game you play once. In order to win you must make a difference.
Remember: This is not a practice session.
| 1comp.graphics |
In <1qknuq$9ut@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang) writes:
>addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster
>since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one.
Even the 68000 can fetch two bytes at a time.
The new instruction in the 68040 is MOVE16 which fetches 16 bytes
at a time instead of 4 which the 68030 has; that means 4 24bit
pixels instead of one.
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5srEw.FCG@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:
...
>Give me a break! What fireman should have to deal with a blaze like that
>AND get shot at at the same time.
Nearly all of them. Witness LA> Firemen are among our real
heroes most of the time. I wonder when they were actually
aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the
TV ....
Shot at by whom? prove it!
>
>These people were breaking the law. I agree these weren't the best tactics,
When "law" replaces "justice" the system is dying or dead.
Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this
point.
>they probably should have backed off, pulled the perimeter way back, and let
>them sit there with no media attention until they decided to come out. The
>only other alternative I see would have been to send in a couple of special
>forces guys to capture or assassinate Koresh. But remember, these fruit-
Or perhaps just wait.
Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to
sit down and pray outside the line? Try affinity
rather than subversion?
>loops were putting their lives on the lines voluntarily. Why should
Chuckle. SO would you if someone points a gun at you.
At that point you can die or live; and if living means
stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your
kids, I suspect you might as well.
BOTH sides were wrong.
>law-abiding citizens have to put themselves in any more danger than necessary
>when dealing with a nut? Look at the man who jumped out of his Bradley to
>grab a flaming women who was running back into the building. Yeah, I would
>have to say they were trying to save those people. I don't think I would
>risk my life that much to save someone that stupid that obviously didn't
>even want to be saved.
Try again: go see the movie Sophie's CHoice.
Grow up.
>
>-Tim
royc
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three
button station. will operate three different door or gate openers.
Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping.
If interested please email me.
mageors@sdf.lonestar.org
| 6misc.forsale |
AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce
May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA.
Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend????
Anyone want to go?
pat
| 14sci.space |
In article <stevethC5JGCr.1Ht@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri
tes:
>
>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you!
>
A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid
is still having trouble "aiming" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as
me how, I just have seen the results.
Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in
the head.
>--
>_______
>Steve Thomas
>steveth@rossinc.com
Ryan
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Jeff,
I have answers to both of your questions. First, I recommend the Sony
CPD-1320 monitor. It is a 14" Trinitron VGA monitor, but it is designed
specifically for use with the LC. It works only with Macs with specific video
capabilities which means only the LC's and anything after the ci. All it
takes is a MAC<->VGA cable (I recommend one from James Engineering which is
about $20). These cost about $335 as compared to the much higher prices of
comparable monitors because they are not multisynch. I have used one for half
a year and I love it.
Second, I have used Syex and found them to be decent. I had a backorder on a
Supra modem which I cancelled. They were helpful in explaining the reasons
why there were delays and they had Supra's number ready for me. The only
complaint was that they did not always return my calls.
I have been told that the CPD-1320 is selling for $339 from J&R's
(800)221-8180. I think Syex is a little more, but I don't know.
-David
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
On 21 Apr 93 00:07:20 GMT, Theodore A. Kaldis observed:
: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (some caifone) writes:
: > because if she heard
: Thankfully, you got the gender right. For I am not a deviant.
Bigots aren't classified as deviants? How sad.
: > how disparaging you are towards political minorities,
: Sexual deviants do not comprise a "political minorit[y]".
So, what's this I hear about a March on Washington...assuming
you are still considering homosexuality and bisexuality
as subsets of "sexual deviants?"
: > and if she had any shred of self-respect, she'd be out the door.
: I only associate with girls who do indeed have self-respect.
I trust that many self-respecting *women* might take some sort
of offense to your use of the term "girls" in the above sentence.
--
Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama
"Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why.
Then do it." -- Lazarus Long (Robert Heinlein)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
[Procedural note: Ted directed followups to misc.legal only. While I
respect his right to do so, my own opinions are that (1) "Followup-To"
fields are mere suggestions, not mandatory commands and (2) this issue
is of sufficient (a) general political relevance and (b) civil liberties
interest to warrant keeping it active in t.p.m and a.s.c-l as well, at
least for this round.]
In article <1993Apr11.155955.23346@midway.uchicago.edu>,
thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:
> Uh, no. That's not what happened in _Boomer_. What happened in
> _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the plaintiffs to blackmail
> the cement plant by demanding a multi-million dollar plant to be shut
> down over $185,000 in damages, and required the plant to pay the
> plaintiffs the $185,000 to make them whole. The plant would never
> have been shut down-- the plaintiff's lawyers would have just
> negotiated a windfall settlement, because the plaintiffs would prefer
> an amount greater than $185K to having the plant shut down, while the
> plant would prefer any amount less than the value of the plant to have
> the plant continue in operation. Everyone's property rights were
> protected; the plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement
> costs were avoided.
Okay, now here's my interpretation of _Boomer_, based on the facts as
presented in the New York Court of Appeals<*> holding (_Boomer v.
<*>Note: The New York Court of Appeals is the highest court in New York
State. While the United States and 48 of the fifty states call their
highest court "Supreme Court," "Supreme Judicial Court" or "Supreme
Court of Appeals," Maryland and New York call theirs simply the
"Court of Appeals." To make matters worse, New York also calls its
_second-highest_ court the "Supreme Court, Appellate Division"...
Atlantic Cement Co._, 26 N.Y.2d 219, 257 N.E.2d 870 (1970)):
Oscar H. Boomer, et al., owned land near the Atlantic Cement company's
plant near Albany, N.Y. (The fact pattern gives no information as to
which came first, the plaintiff's acquisition of the land or he
defendant's start of production at their cement plant.) In the course
of its regular operations, the cement plant did injury to the
plaintiffs' property via dirt, smoke and vibrations emanating from the
plant. The plaintiffs sought injunctive relief -- that is, they asked
the court to order Atlantic Cement to stop damaging their property.
(Commentary: this seems entirely reasonable to me. Boomer at al owned
their property and, presumably, a right to quiet enjoyment of it.
Atlantic Cement's actions were depriving Boomer et al of that right.)
Instead of granting the plaintiffs' request for an injunction, the court
ordered them to accept the damage being done to their property, provided
that Atlantic Cement paid them $185,000 in compensatory damages. In
other words, the court granted Atlantic Cement Co., a private party, the
power and authority to _take_ the plaintiffs rights to quiet enjoyment
of their property by eminent domain. A taking by eminent domain is
always problematical even when it's done by the state; allowing a
private firm to do it is, in my opinion, totally wrong.
(Yes, I know, the _Boomer_ court didn't call it eminent domain. But if
it walks like eminent domain and swims like eminent domain and quacks
like eminent domain...)
Let me take issue with the way you've presented the case... you say that
"What happened in _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the
plaintiffs to blackmail the cement plant by demanding a multi-million
dollar plant to be shut down over $185,000 in damages." Blackmail?
(Pulls out Black's Law Dictionary, Abridged 5th Edition....
"Blackmail: Unlawful demand of money or property under threat to
do bodily harm, to injure property, to accuse of crime, or to expose
disgraceful defects. This crime is commonly included under
extortion statutes.")
How do you define as "blackmail" one party's act of demanding the right
to set its own sale price for a unique piece of property which it owns
and which another party has expressed an interest in buying? Or of
demanding the right not to sell that property at any price? As I see
it, Boomer et al, having found themselves in the fortunate position of
owning something which Atlantic Cement had to purchase if it wanted to
stay in business, had every right in the world to set whatever price
they wanted. There isn't, or at least shouldn't be, any law that says
that you have to be a nice guy in your private business dealings.
You go on to say: "The plant would never have been shut down -- the
plaintiff's lawyers would have just negotiated a windfall settlement,
because the plaintiffs would prefer an amount greater than $185K to
having the plant shut down, while the plant would prefer any amount less
than the value of the plant to have the plant continue in operation."
If so, so what? Since when are the courts supposed to be in the
business of preventing parties from reaping windfall settlements from
other parties when those settlements arise from wrongful acts by those
other parties? If Atlantic Cement didn't want to have to face a choice
between paying a windfall settlement or going out of business, well,
shouldn't Atlantic Cement have thought of that before going _into_
business? (I note that as far as the facts show Boomer et al were _not_
the parties responsible for bringing about this situation -- that was
Atlantic Cement's own fault for choosing to build and operate the type
of plant they did where and when they did.)
And then you say: "Everyone's property rights were protected; the
plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement costs were avoided."
As above, I dispute your claim that the plaintiffs were "made whole."
They were, in fact, by court action deprived of their rights as owners
of property to choose to sell or not sell that property at a price
acceptable to them. And for that deprivation they were _not_ made
whole. And again I ask: Since when are the courts supposed to be in the
business of ensuring that "unnecessary" settlement costs are avoided?
(If so, I've been miseducated -- I always thought that the courts were
supposed to be in the business of ensuring that justice is done.)
> Is _Boomer_ really being taught as "infamous?" That's really sad if
> it is, because I fail to see how it's less than completely sensible.
> You should read the law and economics stuff first-hand instead of
> filtered through teachers who clearly don't like it, for whatever
> inexplicable reasons.
(1) _Boomer_ is not being taught as "infamous," at least not at my
school.
(Aside: Northeastern Law usually does a very good job of hiring for
their first-year, mandatory classes (such as Torts, where I first
encountered _Boomer_) instructors who, regardless of their personal
opinions, can and do teach the law neutrally. When the students get
into their second and third years, in which the students (a) can pick
and choose which courses to take (except for the mandatory Professional
Responsibility, of course) and (b) are presumed to be a bit more worldly
and self-confident, less likely to be consciously or sub-consciously
intimidated by Law School Professors and able to learn from openly
biased instructors rather than be indoctrinated by them, the instructors
tend to be more open in expressing their own opinions. This is
especially true of part-time instructors who, in real life, are
practicing attorneys or sitting judges... this can be _very_
educational, sometimes far more so than being taught by a somewhat
cloistered scholar. End of aside.)
I called it infamous because that's my opinion of it. For the reasons
I've stated above, I believe it to be a triumph of something that I can
only call "economic correctness" over justice.
(2) It is "completely sensible" only if you believe that the alleged
right of the owners of Atlantic Cement to stay in business and avoid
losing a lot of their own money due to their own wrongful act, and
the alleged right of several hundred Atlantic Cement employees to
not have their jobs disappear, should trump the rights of people who
own property which was damaged by Atlantic Cement's wrongful acts.
(And if you believe that it is correct for the courts (or any other
branch of government) to grant to private parties the right to take
other people's property by eminent domain.)
> You'd like Posner, Bill. He's a libertarian.
Really? I didn't know that... what, if anything, has he had to say
about cases like _Boomer_?
> Of course, he has too much of a paper trail to ever be nominated by a
> president, Democrat (won't like his antitrust stance) or Republican
> (won't like his support of gay marriage), and if bright law students
> "shiver" at what they don't understand, it's easy to imagine how the
> press will play it up as baby-selling. (I've seen Mike Godwin claim
> that Posner asserts that law and economics is applicable to everything
> and is the end-all and be-all, when Posner says precisely the
> opposite.) So it goes.
I've admitted that my understanding of the field generally referred to
as "law and economics" is weak. If it advocates the use of economical
analysis as one of many "tie-breaker" factors which courts may use to
help them reach decisions in cases in which the dispute, as measured by
the scale of "justice", is evenly balanced, fine. But as illustrated by
_Boomer_, it is _not_ fine when the courts start viewing the economics
of a case as being more important than the justice of a case.
-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
| 18talk.politics.misc |
We've developed a number of applications using DevGuide and found it to
be a very useful tool. I've been impressed with the level of integration it
affords using the connection editor. I love the general ease of use.
I talked with Tali Aben at Sun today about DevGuide + Motif. She was very
helpful. We provided some input as to what we'd like to see in the next
version of DevGuide. Tali was very enthusiatic about our comments. I mentioned
I was going to post this email message and she offered to receive additional
comments from the net on what DevGuide should evolve into.
Send your comments/wish-list, raving, et. al. about DevGuide to:
Tali.Aben@Sun.COM
Pretty cool example of a company that cares what we want.... More of this
and computers may have a future.
Frankly, I like the idea that it will offer some migration capability
to DOE/DOMF through an integrated ToolTalk capability, pointed out in March's
SunExpert magazine.
Technology works, we can crankout the interfaces with DevGuide. Price is
outstanding.
| 5comp.windows.x |
Don't knock Vaughn for being a spring training .400 hitter
but a .250 regular season hitter.
Around 30 games played isn't an indication of how good any
hitter is, and the quality of pitching is way down.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine
IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr1.054820.3942@siemens.co.at> Kurt Netzer,
kurt@siemens.co.at writes:
>Is it possible to install a 2nd 3 1/2" 100 MB HD in a Mac II with a
>5 1/4" 40 MB Qunatum HD?
>Can i us a 50 pin cable with 3 connectors for the internal motherboard
>SCSI-Connector and the 2 SCSI-HD Connectors. The first HD is'nt
terminated
>the second will be.
>Whats about the power supply. Where can i connect a 3 1/2" AMP-Connector
>to supply my 3 1/2" HD?
It is very possible to connect another internal hard disk in any
macintosh if you can find the space to put it. I have a IIsi that came
with a Quantum 80 meg drive. When I ran into space problems, I slapped in
another 40 meg quantum that I had sitting on a shelf. Here is what I did.
First off, I was concerned about space. Since both drives are Quantum
quarter height drives, I finally decided that the logical place for them
was stacked one upon the other. Fine, they fit snugly. (I have not had a
problem with heat yet, and these drives have been running together for
over two months.
The next problem was connecting the drive. If you have a spare internal
hard disk power cable as I did, then half of your troubles are over. just
splice in the extra cable so that you get one square motherboard
connector and two hard disk power connectors. If you don't have a spare
cable, you will have to buy the wires and connectors which can be found
in any good electronics store for about $10. I would suggest properly
soldering/heatshrinking the connections to reduce the possibility of
shorts or bad connections.
Next, you need a ribbon cable connection. Again, I had a spare hard disk
ribbon cable, and I wanted to be careful in case this didn't word so what
I did was purchase a crimp on 50 pin cable connector that gave me another
male connector in the middle of my spare cable. The part cost $10 again,
and is easily attached with any good wood vice. The theory behind using a
crimp on connector is that if this doesn't work, my original cable is not
damaged, and I can go back to the original setup.
Having done all that, I couldn't be bothered to check the dev notes for
power consumption so I plugged it in and it works like a charm to this
day.
In a mac II, everything should work the same. Be careful with the ID's of
the drive, and ensure that the terminating resistors on both drives are
intact. I did not try this without the terminating resistors but it
seemed logical that if I am splitting the SCSI chain, that the signal
should be terminated at all the ends.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Peter Hansen
Bell Northern Research
pgmoffc@BNR.ca
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <timmbake.735278230@mcl> timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:
>
>James Hogan writes:
>
>[fine sentiments]
>
>From his very first post Jim assumed an attack of ad hominem, sarcastic
>innuendo, i.e., shit to be shoveled. He conveniently forgets this, of course,
>and then _whines_ about his boredom.
Ad hominem, sarcastic innuendo? Absolutely. Forgotten? Hardly.
Bored? Not really. I try not to confuse "life on a.a." with life.
I just can't overcome the urge to tease/taunt folks who bound FAQ-less
onto a.a. with such a chip on their shoulder. To listen to you,
one might think we belonged to some church!
I appreciate the patience of others who questioned your posting
on a line-by-line content basis, though it's hard to know what
impact that might have had, as compared to, say, "shovelling".
>
>Fact: If he were truly interested in ending the thread he wouldn't have posted
>his last shit to be shoveled.
I think I only lamented that, whatever the initial satisfactions,
past a certain point circular abuse-heaping was just that.
>--
>Bake Timmons, III
>
>-- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life
>than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)
Sincere questions: Why are you here? What are you looking for?
Jim
| 0alt.atheism |
Hey folks,
on the course to develope a X window application, we encountered
a problem. How could I transform a X window bitmap into a postscript
files ? Is there any library routines or source code I can call to
do the job ?
Thank you in advance.
p.s. Email reply please. I seldom read this newsgroup. =)
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:
>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical
Huh? If I buy a 128M optical, I might lose my friends? Why - do they
smell bad?
:-)
>and stop worrying about cartridge wear (Bernoulli) or crashes (SyQuest)
On a serious note, I have heard the tales about SyQuest failures. But I
am curious about Jon's comments on cartridge wear for the the Bernoullis.
Can someone elaborate? Is there a general consensus that the 128M opticals
are the most reliable? I am mostly concerned about media failures, as
opposed to drive mechanism failures.
--
Julian Vrieslander
Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853
INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu BITNET: eacj@crnlthry
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1r59i4$e81@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
#In article <1r3570$hkv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
#|> In article <1r2ls3$8mo@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
#|> #|>
#|> #|> #This is quite different from saying "Employing force on other people
#|> #|> #is immoral, period. Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged
#|> #|> #to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so
#|> #|> #we have to bear the moral consequences of that.
#|> #|>
#|> #|> Since both statements, to all intents and purposes, say effectively
#|> #|> the same thing,
#|> #
#|> #Are you serious? Two statements, one of which says that use of force
#|> #in the given situation is moral, and the other of which says it is
#|> #not moral "say effectively the same thing?"
#|>
#|> Yes, when you tag on the "Unfortunately, ...", then to all intents and
#|> purposes you are saying the same thing.
#
#Then delete the "unfortunately". Now tell me that the two statement
#say effectively the same thing.
#
#And to save everyone a couple of trips round this loop, please notice
#that we are only obliged to use force to preserve self. We can choose
#*not* to preserve self, which is the point of pacifism.
O.K., got you. I concede your point, though the word "obliged" strongly
implies that one must sometimes use force. A further rephrasing would
give you the distinction you mention, however. If I have you right, a pacifist
would not even go on to say, "unfortunately,etc."
#|> #Would you say this of any two statements, one saying "X is moral" and
#|> #the other saying "X is immoral?" How would you decided when two
#|> #statements "X is moral" "X is immoral" actually conflict, and when
#|> #they "say effectively the same thing".
#|>
#|> What they prescribe that one should do is a pretty good indicator.
#
#And in this case they don't prescribe the same things, so.....
Yes, fair enough, though why confuse things by saying that "one is
somtimes obliged" if the real meaning is that "one is never obliged".
#|> #|> and lead one to do precisely the same thing, then
#|> #|> either both statements are doublespeak, or none.
#|> #
#|> #They might lead you to do the same thing, but the difference is what
#|> #motivates pacifism so they obviously don't lead pacifists to to the
#|> #same thing.
#|>
#|> That's not true. You could formulate a pragmatic belief in minimum
#|> force and still be a pacifist. If the minimum is 0, great - but one is
#|> always trying to get as close to 0 force as possible under that belief.
#|> Not the same as 'force is immoral, period', but still tending to pacifism.
#
#If you don't think the use of force is immoral, why minimise its use?
If you don't think that it is "immoral, period.".
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc |
>Any attempts to make homosexuals
>feel unwelcome because of our discomfort with homosexuality is incompatible
>with Christianity. Is our hatred so deep that rather than see someone
>try to become closer to Jesus, we need to keep them away.
This is too often true. Many people try to place this as a "higher"
sin. However...
>Does Jesus need
>us to screen out those guilty of a particular sin. Do we really mistrust
>Jesus when he says he can forgive any sin?
A big part of the problem is that many of the homosexuals and people
advocating acceptance of homosexuality in churches do not consider
(active) homosexuality a sin. I don't often see the attitude of
"forgive me and I will try to change". Instead I see "there's nothing
wrong with my life and I can be a good Christian, so it must be you who
have an illness because you don't accept me". Christians can and will
accept homosexuals, just as they will accept *any* sinner.
Sure, it may be natural to some people to be homosexual - but it
is also perfectly natural for everyone to sin! I was born with
a desire to sin, but I work to prevent myself from sinning. It's
much less common now, but I *still* have urges to lash out in
anger. There also may not be a sudden disappearance of sinful
desires (or ever!), so it is sad to see people leave the church
when they are discouraged that they are still homosexual after
several years.
--
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
"Particle Man, Particle Man, doing the things a particle can"
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Hi, I am trying to compile a chart for Windows and DOS performance
of local bus video card . So if you have a DX2-66V and one
of the local bus video cards below, please email me your Winbench
3.11 and 3dbench(obtainable in ftp.wustl.edu, pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS)
scores. Please give me Winmark score at 800x600x256 and
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <8110360@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> cunniff@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ross Cunniff) writes:
>diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich) writes:
>>B. arely
>>A. dequate,
>>T. otally
>>F. ***ed!
>
>The one I made up last night was:
>
> Bureau of
> Assault,
> Theft, and
> Frame-ups
>
Try this one, a favorite around here:
Bureau of Assholes, Tightwads, and Facists.
And remember, they were created by the Infernal Revenue Code.
--msa
--
Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true. Jerry Lee Lewis was the Devil.
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet. All of a sudden,
I found myself in love with the world, so there was only one thing that I could
do was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Some articles on the topic:
RTw 12/23 0859 GULF ARABS DEMAND IRAN WITHDRAWAL FROM ISLANDS
(Eds: updates with end of summit details, quotes)
By Youssef Azmeh
ABU DHABI, Dec 23, Reuter - Gulf Arab states, emerging from a summit
that restored
their unity after almost three months of crisis, piled pressure on Iran
on Wednesday to
reverse its virtual annexation of a strategic Gulf island.
They issued a statement after a three-day Gulf Cooperation Council
summit saying Iran
had to show proof of its good neighbourly intentions by rescinding
measures that "rocked
Gulf stability and security."
The leaders avoided the anti-Iranian rhetoric of recent statements
by Egypt, which
engineered a last minute settlement of a border row between Saudi Arabia
and Qatar that
allowed all members to attend the summit.
Egypt said its fears about Iranian intentions in the region and
Tehran's alleged
encouragement of Moslem fundamentalist unrest were largely behind
President Hosni
Mubarak's mediation.
The GCC statement stressed that developing relations between the
Gulf Arab states and
Iran "is linked to enhacing confidence and to measures Iran might take
in line with its
commitment to the principle of good neighbourliness and the respect of
the sovreignty and
territorial integrity of the region's states."
It denounced Iran's measures on the island of Abu Musa, which it
shares with the
United Arab Emirates, and the continued occupation of the Greater and
Lesser Tumbs
islands.
Iran earlier this year extended its control over Abu Musa beyond a
small garrison it
established there in 1971 under an agreement with the UAE emirate of Sharjah.
It has since rescinded orders expelling foreigners who worked on the
island for the
UAE government. But diplomats say it continues to exercise its authority
over the whole
island, which the UAE sess as as virtual annexation.
The Tumbs were occupied by the former Shah of Iran in 1971 and the
UAE has since the
Abu Musa crisis erupted insisted that they have to be returned as part
of a general
settlement.
The GCC leaders called on the U.N. to maintain sanctions against
Iraq for not fully
implementing Security Council resolutions following its 1990 invasion of
Kuwait.
They endorsed once again the "Damascus Declaration," a pact signed
with Egypt and
Syria after their troops took part in the U.S. led alliance that drove
Iraqi troops out of
Kuwait.
But delegates said the leaders were unable to agree the details of a
fund they
announced they would create at their last summit in Kuwait last year
which would have
helped Egypt's and Syria's economic development programme.
They said the leaders could not agree on a breakdown of
contributions from each state
although the total amount had been scaled down to $6 billion from the
$10 billion agreed
last year.
The fact that the leaders of all GCC states -- Saudi Arabia,
Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and
Qatar -- attended the summit was seen as a major achievement although
their unity was only
maintained with outside help.
Most delegations were not too worried for the moment about the slow
progress of the
conservative rulers discussions on a future security structure for the
region that boasts
the bulk of global oil and gas reserves.
The leaders were unable to choose between two proposals.
One put forward by a summit committee headed by Oman's Sultan Qaboos
to create a
100,000-man rapid deployment force that could rush to defend any member
against external
aggression, such as Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
Another was a Saudi-supported plan to expand the existing 10,000-man
"Peninsula
Shield" force which had so far played a largely symbolic role and is
commanded by a Saudi
general.
Little headway was made on plans for a reginal common market
although the summit
called for concrete proposals to be submitted to next year's summit due
to be held in
Saudi Arabia next December.
REUTER YA DYA DJG
RTw 12/23 0835 GULF LEADERS END SUMMIT
ABU DHABI, Dec 23, Reuter - Gulf Arab states ended a three-day
annual summit on
Wednesday with an appeal to Iran to end its occupation of three
strategic Gulf islands as
a condition for restoring friendly ties across the Gulf.
A joint statement issued after the summit, marked by relief over the
settlement of a
row between two Gulf Cooperation Council members, also called for
continued U.N. sanctions
against Iraq.
It said Baghdad had failed to implement key Security Council
decisions following the
expulsion of its troops from Kuwait early last year.
The summit broke no new ground on steps to achieve a Gulf common
market, but called on
officials to present a plan for common external tarrifs for all six
members to the next
summit which will be held in Saudi Arabia in December 1993.
The statement stressed that developing relations between the Gulf
Arab states and Iran
"is linked to enhacing confidence and to measures Iran might take in
line with its
commitment to the principle of good neighbourliness and the respect of
the sovreignty and
territorial integrity of the region's states."
It denounced Iran's measures on the island of Abu Musa, which it
shares with the
United Arab Emirates, and the continued occupation of the smaller
islands, the Greater and
Lesser Tumbs.
It expressed deep regret and extreme concern for the unjustified
Iranian measures
which contradict a proclaimed wish to develop relations and called on
Iran to rescind
those measures and end the occupation which it said was "shaking peace
and stability in
the area."
Iran earlier this year extended its control over Abu Musa beyond a
small garrison it
established there in 1971 under an agreement with the UAE emirate of Sharjah.
It has since rescinded orders expelling foreigners who worked on the
island for the
UAE government but diplomats in the region say that its security forces
continue to
exercise their authority over the whole island.
The UAE has seen this as virtual annexation.
The Tumbs were occupied by the former Shah of Iran in 1971 and the
UAE has since the
Abu Musa crisis erupted insisted that they have to be returned as part
of a general
settlement.
REUTER YA DYA DJG
RTw 12/26 1441 IRAN HINTS IT READY TO GO TO WAR OVER ISLANDS
(Eds: updates with SNSC statement)
NICOSIA, Dec 26, Reuter - Iran told its Gulf Arab neighbours on
Saturday it was ready
to defend militarily three disputed islands, reminding them of its
eight-year war with
Iraq.
"Our eight-year defence (in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war) has proved to
the world that
our brave nation will never hesitate to defend the sovereignty and
safeguard the
territorial integrity of Iran," Iran's Supreme National Security Council
(SNSC) said.
A meeting of the heads of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council
voiced full support
on Wednesday for the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in its dispute with Iran
over the Gulf
islands of Abu Musa, Greater Tumb and Lesser Tumb.
The move has triggered strong Iranian criticism and warnings.
Besides the UAE, the GCC
also groups Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who chaired the SNSC's
meeting on
Saturday, said during his Friday prayer sermon at Tehran University:
"Iran is surely
stronger than the likes of you. To reach these islands one has to cross
a sea of blood."
The SNSC, quoted by the official Iranian news agency IRNA received
in Cyprus, also
criticised the GCC and described its support of the UAE as "irresponsible."
"No country will ever be able to covet even an inch of Iranian soil,"
said the SNSC.
Earlier on Saturday, the English language Tehran Times, believed to
be close to the
Foreign Ministry, said the UAE should be aware that Iran's
self-restraint had certain
limits.
It dismissed a UAE claim to the islands as unfounded and said a 1971
agreement to
share Abu Musa with the UAE emirate of Sharjah still applied.
"The idea of Abu Dhabi officials that Tehran would always refrain
from responding to
the blows inflicted by them was "childish," Tehran Times said.
IRNA said the newspaper was commenting on the GCC statement which
urged Iran to
reverse what it says is the annexation of Abu Musa island and to pull
out of the two other
islands.
Iran says the islands near the entrance to the Gulf have
historically belonged to it.
The dispute flared this year after Iran tightened its control over Abu Musa.
REUTER AF JCH
RTw 12/28 1011 TEHRAN PAPER WANTS IRAN REVIVE CLAIM TO BAHRAIN
TEHRAN, Dec 28, Reuter - Radical Iranian newspapers, angered by Gulf
Arab claims to
three disputed islands, are hitting back with demands that Tehran revive
its claim to
Bahrain and consider improving ties with Iraq.
President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and senior officials strongly
condemned a statement
last week by leaders of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) backing the
United Arab
Emirates (UAE) in its dispute with Iran over the Gulf islands.
But the newspapers Salam and Jomhuri Eslami demanded that Tehran go
further than
restating its resolve to defend its sovereignty over the islands of Abu
Musa, Greater Tumb
and Lesser Tumb.
"It is not very clear why the Sheikh of Bahrain has joined the
others," Jomhuri Eslami
said. The GCC groups Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
"If historical records are to be the criterion, the sheikh of
Bahrain should go about
his own business and the rule of Iranian people in Bahrain, which
belonged to Iran until
1970, should be re-established," the paper said.
"It is fitting for the foreign ministry to raise the question of
Iran's sovereignty
over Bahrain...and start a serious and effective drive to end the
separation of Bahrain
from Iran," it added.
The late Shah of Iran relinquished Iran's claim to Bahrain in 1970,
a year before the
island became an independent state.
Iranian leaders since the 1979 Islamic revolution have carefully
avoided raising the
Bahrain issue although it is occasionally brought up in the press during
periods of
tension with conservative Arab states across the Gulf.
Salam newspaper said the GCC stand showed that the policy of
appeasing pro-Western
Gulf Arab rulers had backfired.
"No matter how much you smile at sheikhs on the southern coast of
the Persian Gulf, it
is the United States and the West which speak the last word," it said.
"They (the sheikhs) are nobody," Salam said, adding that Iran should
revise its policy
towards its neighbours, especially its former war enemy Iraq.
"Disregarding the logical potential of expanding ties with
Iraq...and going along with
some Saudi-backed trends among the Iraqi opposition have played a role
in the formation of
the current situation," the paper said.
Ties between Iran and Iraq, which fought a war from 1980 to 1988,
improved briefly
after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.
But Tehran, which denounced the invasion and remained neutral in the
ensuing war,
again called for President Saddam Hussein's overthrow when he suppressed
a Shi'ite Moslem
revolt which swept southern Iraq after his 1991 defeat in Kuwait.
REUTER SIJ MZ AET
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 19-Apr-93 AMD i486
clones: Now legal .. by poe@wharton.upenn.edu
> A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN
> and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486
> clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US.
> Can anyone out there verify this?
It's true. I read about it from an article in ClariNet (can't send it
here though). U.S. District Court Judge William A. Ingram, of San
Francisco, threw out the jury verdict prohibiting AMD from using Intels'
microcode for the 486.
--
David Sward sward+@cmu.edu Finger or email for PGP public key:
3D567F Fingerprint = E5 16 82 B0 3C 96 DB 6F B2 FB DC 8F 82 CB E9 45
Stop the Big Brother Chip - Just say NO to the Clipper "Wiretap" Chip!
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <30945@galaxy.ucr.edu> raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu (Raffi R Kojian) writes:
>Serdar, how can a former government pay anything? Also what is this crap
>about a genocide of muslims? There was no such thing, I won't bother
There's your problem right there. 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' crooks/idiots stole
your brain. Just watch...
Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).
'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.'
'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-'
'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.'
"We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space....
'I don't believe you," I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The
man pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse.
I thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and
went inside.
The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for
its stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an
iron tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black
with soot. All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As
the door swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face
up, naked but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what
was left of his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted,
as with Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so
I'd no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his
slashed genitals."
p. 363 (first paragraph).
'How many people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Turk officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'
"The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me -
Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into
laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
have been.
From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last
scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags,
looms, even spinning-wheels.
'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must
leave.'...We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And
for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains.
Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in
a sack of other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"
p. 354.
"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
Moslem villages."
p. 358.
"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three
sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov
said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.
"That is for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror."
"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."
p. 360.
"The ridges circled a wide expanse, its floors still. Hundreds of feet
down, the fog held, solid as cotton flock. 'Djul lies under that,' said
Dro, pointing. 'Our men also attack from the other sides.'
Then, 'Whee-ee!' - his whistle lined up all at the rock edge. Bayonets
clicked upon carbines. Over plunged Archo, his black haunches rippling;
then followed the staff, the horde - nose to tail, bellies taking the
spur. Armenia in action seemed more like a pageant than war, even though
I heard our Utica brass roar.
As I watched from the height, it took ages for Djul to show clear. A tsing
of machine-gun fire took over from the thumping batteries; cattle lowed,
dogs barked, invisible, while I ate a hunk of cheese and drank from a snow
puddle. Mist at last folded upward as men shouted, at first heard faintly.
The came a shrill wailing.
Now among the cloud-streaks rose darker wisps - smoke. Red glimmered about
house walls of stone or wattle, into dry weeds on roofs. A mosque stood in
clump of trees, thick and green. Through crooked alleys on fire, horsemen
were galloping after figures both mounted and on foot.
'Tartarski!' shouted the gunner by me. Others pantomimed them in escape
over the rocks, while one twisted a bronze shell-nose, loaded, and yanked
breech-cord, firing again and again. Shots wasted, I thought, when by
afternoon I looked in vain for fallen branch or body. But these shots and
the white bursts of shrapnel in the gullies drowned the women's cries.
At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward
Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and
tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly,
through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in-
arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."
p. 361 (fourth paragraph).
"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair,
large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble
where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet
had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between
the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun
dress.
The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He
lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the
pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed
just below his neck, into the spine.
There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was
empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking
colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."
p. 358.
"...more stories of Armenian murdering Turks when the czarist troops fled
north. My hosts told me of their duty here: to keep tabs on brigands,
Turkish troop shifts, hidden arms, spies - Christian, Red or Tartar -
coming in from Transcaucasus. Then they spoke of the hell that would
break loose if Versailles were to put, as threatened, the six 'Armenian'
vilayets of Turkey under the control of Erevan...
An Armenia without Armenians! Turks under Christian rule? His lips
smacked in irony under the droopy red moustache. That's bloodshed - just
Smyrna over again on a bigger scale."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I'm looking for the following article:
``The War Within: an Anatomy of Lust''
Leadership 3 (1985), pp 30-48
I've looked in the libraries of 3 UK Bible Colleges, but none of them subscribe
to the Magazine (its a US publication, btw). If anyone has access to this
article and would be willing to post me a photocopy (I presume that copyright
restrictions will allow this?), please e-mail me. Thanks,
--
Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1qvibv$b75@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony
Alicea) writes:
>
>In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says:
>
>>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS.
>
>OK: So you were a naive teen.
>
>>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's.
>
>Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.
>But he was born LAST century (1883).
>
>>
>>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil.
>
>No it isn't.
>
>
I guess the San Jose Mercury news is wrong then, and if so, why is the DA
involved?
--
Christopher D. Colvin <cdcolvin@rahul.net>
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <schumach.734984753@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or "as-will-be") for use
>as a reuseable sounding rocket?
DC-X as is today isn't suitable for this. However, the followon SDIO
funds will. A reusable sounding rocket was always SDIO's goal.
>Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the
>bastard Son of NLS.
So did I. There is a lot going on now and some reports are due soon
which should be very favorable. The insiders have been very bush briefing
the right people and it is now paying off.
However, public support is STILL critical. In politics you need to keep
constant pressure on elected officials.
Allen
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+----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
| 14sci.space |
Total Baseball, which also tries to evaluate a player's total offensive
and defensive contributions, gives Barry Bonds a Total Player rating of
9.0 for 1992. Only one other player since Ruth attained that mark: Cal
Ripken for his 1984 season. Rounding out the top five offensive players
in the NL last season: Sheffield, 5.9; Sandberg, 5.8; Van Slyke, 5.3; and
Larkin, 4.7.
The top 5 offensive players in the AL in 1992 were: E. Martinez, 4.8;
Ventura, 4.8; Anderson, 4.5; R. Henderson, 4.4; and Thomas, 4.4
In short, Total Baseball says Bonds enjoyed one of the best seasons
ever in the game's history -- better than any year had by Mantle,
Mays, Williams, etc. (If you disagree, don't flame me; flame the
writers of Total Baseball.) Also, Martinez and Ventura are neck and
neck, so given the shortcomings of any statistical analysis, which one
had the better year can be considered a toss-up. Thus, Total Baseball
supports your choices of Bonds and Ventura as the MVPs of 1992.
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aka pb6755@csc.albany.edu |
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
<...> <...>
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???
I've never liked my passengers to try and shift their weight with the
turns at all... I find the weight shift can be very sudden and
unnerving. It's one thing if they're just getting comfortable or
decide to look over your other shoulder, but I don't recommend having
him/her shift her weight with each turn... too violent.
Also (I think someone already said this) make sure your passenger
wears good gear. I sometimes choose to ride without a helmet or
lacking other safety gear (depends on how squidly I feel) but I
won't let passengers do it. What I do to myself I can handle, but
I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, so I don't let them on without
gloves, jacket, (at least) jeans, heavy boots, and a helmet that *fits*
>I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
>she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...
Go *real* easy. It's amazing how solid a grip you have on the
handle bars that your passenger does not. Don't make her feel like
she's going to slide off the back, and "snappy" turns for you are
sickening lurches for her. In general, it feels much less controlled
and smooth as a passenger. I can't stand being on the back of my
brother's bike, and I ride aggressively when i ride and I know he's
a good pilot... still, everything feels very unsteady when you're
a passenger.
>Thanks,
> -Bob-
Show off by not showing off the first time out...
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
>When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city.
Well, actually now that you mention it, a few weeks ago the CBC ran a
documentary on "Ice Hockey in Harlem". the Canadian Club of New York
(something like that) sponsors a league for kids in Harlem and based on
the TV report they all seemed to be having a lot of fun. All playing
with regular equipment, jerseys, etc etc, on a proper outdoor rink. It
looked just like kids playing hockey anywhere else.
Some of the kids were even fortunate to get a trip to a hockey camp in Alberta.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
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>
>Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the
>opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually
>incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and
>optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer
>you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick
>up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130.
>That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You
>could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself
>I sprang for Word.
The value of these workshops aside, you ought to be able to buy full copies
of all this software through your campus bookstore or software distributor
at these rates. I'm not aware that the educational version of Word or Excel
is doped down in any way.
>
>Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone
>will go to a workshop and save a little money.
>
>And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products.
>I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-)
>
>Thanks,
>Brent Casavant
>bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
>
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says:
>
>Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?
No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t.
>The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
>machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages,
>especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
>high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the
>Kat.
So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike? You know,
following too closely and reckless driving?
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thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) writes:
>shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes:
>>I thought that the V-10 was originally designed for a truck (not necessarily
>>a pickup!) and then just sort of dropped into the Viper's frame because
>>it fit and was available. A friend of mine and I saw (and heard) a Viper,
>>and my friend's first response was that it sounded like a truck! It sounded
>>fine to me, but then again, I don't like the whiny noise that most modern
>>sports car engines make. BTW, the Viper we saw was moving at about 10mph,
>>just like all of the other cars on the 10 freeway heading east out of LA
>>on a Friday afternoon. Looked really nice, though.
> Actually, I was under the impression that the V-10 in the Viper was
>NOT the V-10 that Dodge was developing for its new Kenworths. I have always
>thought it was the exhaust system and not the engine that produced the noise
>of a car...?
Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the
basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration.
In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg.
engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck. And my understanding, btw, is
that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad-
aptible for either the trucks or the Viper. And from what I've heard (no first
hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both.
And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree
DOHC Colombo-designed V-12. Period.
Michael T. Chaffee
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email
mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail
.sig under construction. <----Excuse
| 7rec.autos |
I am doing a report on the topic of 'Advanced Memory Management' and
need to know of some good references to cover this topic. It is an
Analytical Chemistry class on Instrumental Analysis. So, as you
could guess, it doesn't have to be an extremely thorough or extensive
covering of the topic. Also, I am a Chemical Engineer and know some,
but not too much about memory management. If anyone could help point
me in a good direction I would be very thankful.
Thanks in advance.
Joe Bleazard gt5576b@hydra.gatech.edu
School of Chemical Engineering
Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, GA 30332-0100
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr6.125608.7506@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|In <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
|>>
|>>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on
|>>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple
|>>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end,
|>>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like
|>>perpetual motion, doesn't it?
|
|I will believe that this process comes even close to approaching
|technological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the
|trash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of
|separating things first and having a different 'run' for each
|actinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull
|(relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs,
|technological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this
|one with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it's possible
|and the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable
|approach?
|
How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't
do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-)
Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology
for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like this.
And does anyone who knows more Particle physics then me, know if the IPNS
could Prove this technology?
|
|>The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being
|>built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is
|>still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks
|>technically reasonable.
|
It may also help there is political gridlock on the entire
nuclear technical agenda. There were big political opponenents to
Fast Breeder Technologies. WIPP is being fought to death in Courts.
Even if you could make a nuclear incinerator, do you really think
even Deaf SMith County Nevada would accept it? NIMBY'ism rules
nuclear power concerns. Only the medical community has been
able to overrule nuclear technology opposition.
| 14sci.space |
Quoted from <1993Apr20.125147.10665@genes.icgeb.trieste.it> by oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto):
> file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp. The problem
> is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of
> the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome!
The gl2p1.lzh stuff under gfx/show on the Aminet sites includes a
utility called pic2hl, that is a filter for HamLab that can handle
the most commonly used kinds of .PIC and .CLP files.
The biggest problem is that the .CLP files don't usually contain a
palette, so you need to convert a .PIC with the right palette
first (which creates a "ram:picpal" file), and then convert the
.CLP files.
> Jacques Oberto <oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it>
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*** John Bickers, TAP. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
*** "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk ***
| 1comp.graphics |
lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes:
>I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct
>Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a
>line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run
>to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going
This is indeed one function, but more sophisticated ones do level control
and ground-lift (separating the keyboard and mixer earths) aswell.
>to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to
>another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have
Simple ones are just that - a transformer. A decent quality audio trans-
former will cost most of that $50. They are wired thus...
HOT --------------| |----------------- HOT
)||(
Input from )||( Balanced out to mixer
Keyboard )||(
| |----------------- COLD
|
GND --------------|-------------------- GND
The ground-lift switch disconnects the GND line from the mixer. The
transformer ratio depends on the precise application, but around 10:1
turns ratio may be a good place to start.
Christopher
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| 12sci.electronics |
Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was
asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could
anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated.
Dave Stevens dls128@psuvm.psu.edu
Training and Multimedia Services dls128@psuvm
Penn State University
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <2680@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:
-> : According to a ``CNN Poll'' to key reason for Clinton's low
-> : approval rating is people are angry about him not moving fast enough
-> : on gays in the military. I just burst out laughing when I heard this;
-> : what planet do these CNN people live on anyway?
-> : --
-> : Jason C. Austin
-> : j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
->
-> Dunno, man... that sounds pretty damned unlikely to me, too,
-> although it's certainly one of the reasons I'm pissed off at him.
-> Maybe the sample was taken entirely from my fellow memebers of the
-> Cultural Elite?
->
-> Jason, can you quote some of these poll questions?
->
-> Thanks,
-> Bill
-> v
I've never seen CNN give out the poll questions on the air.
If you sent them a letter asking for them, you might get them. Here's
my guess of how part of a session might look:
Question: Do you approve of Clinton's performance?
Answer: No
Questions: Do you disapprove due to the gays in the military issue?
Answer: Yes
Conclusion: Clinton has a low approval rating because he's not moving
fast enough on gays in the military.
I think any group truly dedicated to reporting the news would
not use manufactured news like polls.
-Jason
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <11172@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.183959.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) writes:
> |> Gateway 2000 has released a new Flash BIOS update for their local bus systems.
> |> Because I'm such a nice person, I uploaded them to wuarchive.wustl.edu. Look
> |> for glb05.exe in the msdos_uploads section. Enjoy!
> |>
>
> I have several questions:
>
> 1) What do I gain with this new BIOS?
>
> 2) How can I save a copy of my old BIOS in case I want to go back?
>
> 3) How do I install the new BIOS?
>
> I'd like to enjoy, but need answers first.
1) It fixes some problems with MicroProse games. After leaving F-15 III it
would, in vain, try to find a floppy in drive A:. This has been fixed. I
don't know what other corrections were made.
2) It comes with an image of the original, in case things don't work.
3) Download glb05.exe. Format a bootable floppy disk, and don't put a
config.sys or autoexec.bat. Run the self extracting archive so all the files
explode to the disk. Run the file fsh.exe. It should be self-explanatory from
there.
Dan
P.S.: I was feeling extraordinarily generous once again, so I uploaded the
file to ftp.cica.indiana too..
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <May.16.01.56.14.1993.6674@geneva.rutgers.edu> sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson) writes:
>
>As for the atheists/agnostics who read this list: if you aren't
>christian and if you have no intention of ever becoming one why on
>earth do you waste your time and mine by participating on a christian
>discussion list ?
>
I find this remark to be awfully arrogant. I would venture to
say that there are many people who are Christians now, who at one
point in their lives had no intention of ever becoming a Christian.
I was certainly one such person. I am quite thankful that there
were Christians who were willing to continue to talk to me, despite
the appearance that it might have been a waste of their time and
mine. (I even married one of them.)
"...Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks
you to give a reason for the hope that you have. But do this
with gentleness and respect..."
(1 Peter 3:15)
==
Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living,
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds,
| God will find his people busy
Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds.
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. |
I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan
| 15soc.religion.christian |
"Alan" == E Alan Idler <aidler@sol.uvic.ca> writes:
Alan> 2. We can also analyze to whom the Lord is addressing: "Marvel
Alan> not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3:7).
Alan> Here Jesus is clearly directing his remarks to Nicodemus -- a
Alan> ruler of the Jews (not a child).
Yes, but Jesus also made a very general and doctrinal statement
in the same conversation:
"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."
(John 3:6)
Clearly infants are not born of the spirit. Thus, without baptism
they are unspiritual. They are not born with the image of God, but in
Adam's fallen image (cf. Gen 5:3). They have no righteousness of
their own, just as adults have no righteousness of their own. There
is only the imputed righteousness of Christ, which believers receive
through faith.
Alan> 3. We can ask ourselves why the Lord would even introduce the
Alan> concept of spiritual re-birth through baptism if newborn babies
Alan> weren't free from sin?
Your point is a little obscure here, but I think you are saying
that Christ used the "innocence" of newborn babes as a metaphor
for spiritual re-birth. But this is not what he did.
If you look at the text, he did not speak
of spiritual re-birth but of spiritual birth. We are
born of the Spirit once, not twice or several times.
We are also born of the flesh once. The Lord makes it
clear that these are separate and different events.
It is true that other Scriptures refer to spiritual
birth as re-birth because it is a second birth
(for example, Titus 3:5). But it is not a second
*spiritual* birth.
The only thing the two births have in common is the concept of birth,
which is used as a symbol of `new life' -- not of innocence. When an
infant is born (or conceived) a new life is begun--but it is neither
innocent nor righteous. Similarly when that same individual is
baptized, or perhaps when they believe prior to baptism, they begin a
new life in Christ (Romans 6:3, Colossians 2:12, Titus 3:5, Ephesians
2:5). Then the believer has God's assurance of the forgiveness of
their sins, and of Christ's imputed righteousness.
For references, see
The Augsburg Confession Article II, Original Sin,
The Apology to the Augsburg Confession,
Article II, Original Sin,
the Formula of Concord, Article I, Original Sin, and
Luther's Large Catechism, Part 4, Baptism.
For something more recent, see "Baptized into God's Family: The
Doctrine of Infant Baptism" by Andrew Das, available from Northwestern
Publishing House. Andrew is a graduate of Concordia Lutheran
Seminary, St. Louis, and is now pursuing doctoral studies at Yale
Divinity School.
David Wagner "But mad reason rushes forth
a confessional Lutheran and, because Baptism is not
dazzling like the works we do,
regards it as worthless."
--Martin Luther, Large Catechism
--Part 4, Baptism
| 15soc.religion.christian |
"Darren" == Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu> writes:
Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find
Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess
Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines.
and
Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources
Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own
Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect.
The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint.
While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin.
Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think,
does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed
out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible.
But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe
the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For "the sinful
mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law,
*nor can it do so*" (Romans 8:7).
Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation
("Sola Scriptura"), but accepted the necessity of the use
of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation.
Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, "But mad reason
rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like
the works which we do, regards it as worthless." (Large
Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more
complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many
people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him
described as a `take no prisoners' theologian.
We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther
was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have
come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to
recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt
compelled to defend himself and the apostles against
a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians
ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others)
as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who
examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul
said was true (Acts 17:11).
The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many
others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy
Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that
guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the
truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the
message that "I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead" but
rather "I know that my redeemer lives!" (Job 19:25). The Christian
does not side with Pilate in saying "What is truth?" but rather
follows Christ, who said, "In fact, for this reason I was born, and
for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on
the side of truth listens to me" (John 18:37).
We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can
know the truth. Jesus said, "If you hold to my teachings,
you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs
urge us "Buy the truth, and do not sell it." (Pr 23:23).
The Psalmist prayed "Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth"
(Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth
was in fact `in his mouth'.
Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth
is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the
truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the
Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready
to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther
did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly
trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his
promise of forgiveness.
REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be
REXLEX> absolute about a thing.
Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops,
Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears.
I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings
of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such
reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw
the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically'
than you would.
Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations
Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper,
Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, "This is my body."
Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and
Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much.
Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start
Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean
Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he
Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con-
Darren> substantiation? He didn't say.
Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement
about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say
that if Jesus said, "This is my body," then that is what we
should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because
they are not taught in Scripture.
Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also
have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to
us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, "For
whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the
Lord's death until he comes." By these words we should believe that
the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as
the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove*
that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that
Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because
that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is
found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary
reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can
prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture.
[side remark]
I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is
con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told
me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this
is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels
to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's
Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching
"real presence" because that was the traditional teaching of
the church.
[end side remark]
Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning
Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we
Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe
Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when
Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too
Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying
Darren> to cover them up.
This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations
in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach,
"I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for
yourself whether to believe it or not."
Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not
Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of
Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many
Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though,
Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it.
Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On
Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein.
As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert
Becker's paperback, "The Foolishness of God: The place of reason
in Lutheran theology," published by Northwestern Publishing House.
This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University
of Chicago.
David Wagner "Not by might, nor by power,
a confessional Lutheran but by my Spirit,"
says the LORD Almighty.
Zechariah 4:6.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu
(McCurdy M.) writes:
>My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous:
>After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased.
>When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed.
>I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then.
This is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction
between real disease caused by Candida albicans and the "disease"
that was being asked about, systemic yeast syndrome.
There is no question that Candida albicans causes thrush. It also
seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous
may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush -- I've
never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before (though
presumably it would work by the same mechanism).
Candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major
pathogen. That does not mean that there is evidence that it causes
the "systemic yeast syndrome".
--
David Rind
rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu
| 13sci.med |
I recently took apart my color Sony TV to clean the volume pushbuttons and
when I put the beast back together, the flyback whine got much louder.
Is this easy to fix? Which part is resonating? I have heard rumors of a
spray that will fix the noise. Is this a simple thing for a TV repairman
to fix?
Thanks,
Scott
| 12sci.electronics |
Sorry about the delay in responding, due to conference paper deadline panic.
In article <1qsnqqINN1nr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.043207.27862@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
>simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes:
[Alarming amounts of agreement deleted :-)]
> I made my statement about Ockums Razor from my experiences in physics.
> Thanks for info in Baysian statistics - very interesting and I didn't
> know it before. I follow your proof, but I have one questions. We have
> two hypotheses H and HG - the latter is more "complicated", which by
> definition means P(H) > P(HG).
That ("complicated") isn't in fact where P(H) > P(HG) comes from; it's more
the other way around. It's from
P(H) = P(HG) + P(HG') where G' is the complement of G
and by axiom, P(anything) >= 0, so P(HG') >= 0, so P(H) >= P(HG).
In a sense, HG is necessarily more "complicated" than H for any H and G,
so I may be splitting hairs, but what I'm trying to say is that irrespective
of subjective impressions of how complicated something is, P(H) >= P(HG)
holds, with equality if and only if P(HG') = 0.
> As you point out, it's a very simple matter to show P(x | H) = P(x | HG)
> ==> P(H | x) > P(HG | x), and thus H is to be preferd to HG. Now to say
> that H is as consistent with the data as HG is to say P(x | H) = P(x | HG).
> Can you elaborate some on this.
Well, "P(x | A) = P(x | B)" means that x is as likely to be observed if A is
operative as it is if B is operative. This implies that observing x does not
provide any useful information which might allow us to discriminate between
the respective possibilities that A and B are operative; the difference
reduces to the difference between the (unknown and unhelpful) prior
probabilities P(A) and P(B):
P(x | A) = P(x | B) ==>
P(A | x) = k P(A), and P(B | x) = k P(B)
where k = P(x | A) / P(x) = P(x | B) / P(x).
So A and B are "equally consistent with the data" in that observing x
doesn't give any pointers as to which of A or B is operative.
In the particular case where A = H and B = HG, however, we know that their
prior probabilities are ordered by P(H) >= P(HG), although we don't know
the actual values, and it's this which allows us to deploy the Razor to
throw out any such HG.
> Also, in the "real world" it isn't as clear cut and dry it seems
> to me. We can't always determine whether the equality "P(x | H) =
> P(x | HG)" is true.
That's certainly true, but the particular point here was whether or
not a `divine component' actually underlies the prevalence of religion
in addition to the memetic transmission component, which even the religious
implicitly acknowledge to be operative when they talk of `spreading the word'.
Now it seems to me, as I've said, that the observed variance in religious
belief is well accounted for by the memetic transmission model, but rather
*less* well if one proposes a `divine component' in addition, since I would
expect the latter to conspire *against* wide variance and even mutual
exclusion among beliefs. Thus my *personal* feeling is that P(x | HG) isn't
even equal to P(x | H) in this case, but is smaller (H is memetic transmission,
G is `divine component', x is the variance among beliefs). But I happily
acknowledge that this is a subjective impression.
> BTW, my beef with your Baysian argument was not a mathematical one -
> I checked most of your work and didn't find an error and you seem very
> careful so there probably isn't a "math mistake". I think the mistake
> is philosophical. But just to make sure I understand you, can please
> rephrase it in non-technical terms? I think this is a reasonable
> request - I always try to look for ways of explaining physics to
> non-physicist. I'm not a Baysian statistician (nor any type of
> statistician), so this would be very helpful.
Not that I'm a statistician as such either, but:
The idea is that both theism and atheism are compatible with all of
the (read `my') observations to date. However, theism (of the type with
which I am concerned) *also* suggests that, for instance, prayer may be
answered, people may be miraculously healed (both are in principle amenable
to statistical verification) and that god/s may generally intervene in
measurable ways.
This means that these regions of the space of possible observations,
which I loosely termed "appearances of god/s", have some nonzero
probability under the theistic hypothesis and zero under the atheistic.
Since there is only so much probability available for each hypothesis to
scatter around over the observation space, the probability which theism
expends on making "appearances of god/s" possible must come from somewhere
else (i.e. other possible observations).
All else being equal, this means that an observation which *isn't* an
"appearance of god/s" must have a slightly higher probability under
atheism than under theism. The Bayesian stuff implies that such
observations must cause my running estimate for the probability of
the atheistic hypothesis to increase, with a corresponding decrease
in my running estimate for the probability of the theistic hypothesis.
Sorry if that's still a bit jargonesque, but it's rather difficult to
put it any other way, since it does depend intimately on the properties
of conditional probability densities, and particularly that the total
area under them is always unity.
An analogy may (or may not :-) be helpful. Say that hypothesis A is "the
coin is fair", and that B is "the coin is unfair (two-headed)". (I've
used A and B to avoid confusion with H[heads] and T[tails].)
Then
P(H | A) = 0.5 } total 1
P(T | A) = 0.5 }
P(H | B) = 1 } total 1
P(T | B) = 0 }
The observations are a string of heads, with no tails. This is compatible
with both a fair coin (A) and a two-headed coin (B). However, the probability
expended by A on making possible the appearance of tails (even though they
don't actually appear) must come from somewhere else, since the total must
be unity, and it comes in this case from the probability of the appearance
of heads.
Say our running estimates at time n-1 are e[n-1](A) and e[n-1](B). The
observation x[n] at time n is another head, x[n] = H. The estimates are
modified according to
P(H | A)
e[n](A) = e[n-1](A) * -------- = e[n-1](A) * m
P(H)
and
P(H | B)
e[n](B) = e[n-1](B) * -------- = e[n-1](B) * 2m
P(H)
Now we don't know P(H), the *actual* prior probability of a head, but
the multiplier for e(A) is half that for e(B). This is true every time
the coin is tossed and a head is observed.
Thus whatever the initial values of the estimates, after n heads, we have
n
e[n](A) = m e[0](A)
and
n
e[n](B) = (2m) e[0](B),
and since e[k](A) + e[k](B) = 1 at any time k, you can show that 0.5 < m < 1
and thus 1 < 2m < 2. Hence the estimate for the fair-coin hypothesis A must
decrease at each trial and that for the two-headed coin hypothesis B must
increase, even though both hypotheses are compatible with a string of heads.
The loose analogy is between "unfair coin" and atheism, and between "fair
coin" and theism, with observations consistent with both. A tail, which
would falsify "unfair coin", is analogous to an "appearance of god/s",
which would falsify atheism. I am *not* claiming that the analogy extends
to the numerical values of the various probabilities, just that the principle
is the same.
>> Constant observation of no evidence for gods, if evidence for them
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> is at all possible under the respective theisms, constantly increases
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> the notional estimated probability that they don't exist,
> It's important to draw a distinction between theism that could
> be supported or not supported by evidence and theism that can't.
> Given a theism for which evidence is in principle not possible,
> it doesn't make sense to say "lack of evidence" supports the contrary
> view.
Quite so, but this type of theism is what I might call "the G in the HG",
in terms of our Ockham's Razor discussion, and I'd bin it on those grounds.
> So it depends upon your conception of this god. If it's a conception
> like Zeus, who happened to come down to earth to "play" quite
> frequently, then I agree with you - lack of evidence for this conception
> of god is evidence that it does not exist. But if your conception
> of God is one that does not make falsifiable predictions (see below
> on "falsifiable predictions"), then I disagree -- lack of evidence
> does not support a disbelief.
The hypotheses don't have to be falsifiable, and indeed in my `model',
the theism isn't falsifiable.
> [...]
> I used the phrase "SHOULD obverse". Given any specific 'x' theism
> does not make the prediction "P(x | Ht) > 0". That's why I used the
> word "should" - theism makes no predictions about any specific event.
> I can only say "I believe" that God did such and such after such
> and such happens, or "I believe God will" do such and such. But
> for any given 'x' I can never, a priori, say P(x | Ht) > 0. I can
> not even say this for the set of all 'x' or some 'x'. This is what
> don't like about your use of probability. We also have no way of
> assigning these probabilities - I hold science to positivistic
> criteria - if someone cannot tell me how to measure, even in principle,
> P(x | H), then probability is not applicable to hypothesis H. Such
> is the case when H = Ht (theistic) and Ha (atheistic). For example,
> P(x | Ha) = P(x & Ha)/P(Ha). What is P(Ha)?!? How do I measure it?
You don't have to. We don't need, in the above analogy, to know *any*
prior probabilities to deduce that the updating multiplier for the
fair-coin hypothesis is less than unity, and that the corresponding
multiplier for the two-headed coin hypothesis is greater than unity.
You don't need to know the initial values of the running estimates
either. It's clear that after a large number of observations, P(fair-coin)
approaches zero and P(two-headed-coin) approaches unity.
All you need to know is whether P(x | Ha) is larger than P(x | Ht) for
observed x, and this follows from the assumptions that there are certain
events rendered *possible* (not necessary) under Ht which are not possible
under Ha, and all else is equal.
> Baysian statistics relies upon a series of observations. But
> what if the hypothesis isn't amenable to observation? And even for
> statements that are amenable to observation, some observations are
> not relevant -- a sequence of observations must be chosen with care.
> I'm curious to know what types of observations x[1],x[2],... you have
> in mind concerning theism and atheism.
Any observations you like; it really doesn't matter, nor affect the
reasoning, provided that there are some possible observations which
would count as "appearances of god/s". Examples of this might be
a demonstration of the efficacy of prayer, or of the veracity of
revelation.
>> But any statement about P(x | H) for general x still counts as a
>> prediction of H. If the theism in question, Ht, says that prayer may
>> be answered, or that miracles may happen (see my interpretation, quoted
>> again above, of what `God exists' means), then this is a prediction,
>> P(x | Ht) > 0 for such x. It's what distinguishes it from the atheist
>> hypothesis Ha, which predicts that this stuff does not happen, P(x | Ha)
>> = 0 for such x.
> Theism does not make the claim that "P(x | Ht) > 0 for such x".
> Or I should say that my "theism" doesn't. Maybe I was too quick to
> say we had a common language. You said that by the existence of God
> you "mean the notion that the deity described by the Bible and by
> Christians *does* interact with the universe as claimed by those agents".
> I agreed with this. However, I must be careful here. I BELIEVE
> this - I'm not making any claims. Maybe I should have changed *does*
> to *can* - there is an important shift of emphasis. But any way,
> since I "only" have a belief, I cannot conclude "P(x | Ht) > 0 for
> such x".
OK, we'll downgrade "*does* interact" to "*may* interact", which would
actually be better since "does interact" implies a falsifiability which
we both agree is misplaced.
> I don't think my theism makes "predictions". Maybe I'm not
> understanding what you mean by "prediction" - could you explain what
> you mean by this word?
I'll explain, but bear in mind that this isn't central; all I require of
a theism is that it *not* make the prediction "Appearances of god/s will
never happen", as does atheism. (Before somebody points out that quantum
mechanics doesn't make this prediction either, the difference is that
QM and atheism do not form a partition.)
Predictions include such statements as "Prayer is efficacious" (implying
"If you do the stats, you will find that Prayer is efficacious"), or "Prayer
is *not* efficacious", or "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not
pass, till all these things be fulfilled." I don't think we have any problems
of misunderstanding here.
>> Persistent observation of this stuff not happening, *consistent* with
>> Ht though it may be, is *more* consistent with Ha, as explained in the
>> Bayesian stats post.
>>
>> Even if Ht ("God exists") is unfalsifiable, that's
>> no problem for my argument, other than that you have to let the number
>> of observations go to infinity to falsify it asymptotically.
> BTW, I do not consider an argument that requires an infinite number of
> observations as valid - or rather that part of the argument is not valid.
> We, as existing humans, can never make an infinite number of measurments
> and any conclusion that reilies on this I don't accept as valid.
That's fine; I don't claim that theism is false, merely that the [finite
number of] observations available to me so far suggest that it is, and
that as I continue to observe, the suggestion looks better and better.
> [Renormalization stuff deleted]
>> In the Bayesian stats post, I assumed that theism was indeed unfalsifiable
>> in a finite number of observations. Here's the relevant quote:
>>
>> $ The important assumption is that there are *some* observations which
>> $ are compatible with the theist hypothesis and not with the atheist
>> $ hypothesis, and thus would falsify atheism; these are what I called
>> $`appearances of god/s', but this need not be taken too literally. Any
>> $ observation which requires for its explanation that one or more gods
>> $ exist will count. All other observations are assumed to be compatible
>> $ with both hypotheses. This leaves theism as unfalsifiable, and atheism
>> $ as falsifiable in a single observation only by such `appearances of
>> $ god/s'.
> Here is my problem with this. For something to be falsifiable it
> must make the prediction that 'x' should not be seen. If 'x' is
> seen then the hypothesis has been falsified. Now, atheism is a word
> in oposition to something - theism. A theism aserts a belief and an
> atheism aserts a disbelief. So there are certain atheisms that are
> certainly falsifiable - just as there are certain theisms that are
> falsifable (e.g. if my theism asserts the world is only 6,000 years
> old and that God does not decieve then this has been falsified). However,
> the atheism that is in oposition to an unfalsifiable theism is also
> unfalsifiable. I could be wrong on this statment - [...contd]
I think you are; an "appearance of god/s" is sufficient to falsify
atheism, whereas in general the corresponding theism is unfalsifiable.
> I'll think more about it. Until then, here is a general question.
> Suppse X were unfalsifiable. Is not(X) also unfalsifiable?
No: by way of a counterexample, let X = "the coin is fair", or more
accurately (so that not(X) makes sense) "the two sides of the coin are
different". This is unfalsifiable by tossing the coin; even a string of
heads is consistent with a fair coin, and you have to go to an infinite
number of tosses to falsify X in the limit. Its converse is falsifiable,
and is falsified when at least one head and at least one tail have appeared.
>>> This is partly what's wrong with you Baysian argument - which
>>> requires observations x[1] ... x[n] to be made. There are simply
>>> no such observations that have a truth value in relation to the
>>> statement "God exists". Now, by use of your symmetry argument, I
>>> can understand why someone would say "Since the statement
>>> 'God does not exist'
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> makes no predictions I will choose not to believe it." But none
>>> the less this would be founded on a type of faith - or if you don't
>>> like the word faith insert "belief for which there is no falsifiable
>>> evidence" instead.
>> I'll assume you meant `God exists' up there at the highlight. But by our
>> agreed definition of "exists", the statement makes predictions as I said
>> above, although it isn't falsifiable in a finite number of observations.
> Actually, I mean 'God does not exist' makes no predictions.
Oops. Sorry. Mea culpa.
> The truth of this statment actually depends upon which god you are
> refering to. But I can think of some conceptions of God for which
> it is true. But once again I'm open to the posibility that I could
> be wrong. So give me some examples of predictions of the statment
> "God does not exist". Here is one that I can think of. If true, then
> there would be no healing or miricles. But this can in principle never
> be determined one way or the other. There are cases in which people
> seem to recover and are healed without the help of a doctor and for no
> known reason. These situations do in fact happen. They are consistent
> with a theistic hypothesis, but IN NO WAY support such a hypothesis.
We agree here.
> They are not inconsistent with an atheistic hypothesis. I can't
> think of one "prediction" from 'God does not exist' that isn't of
> this type. But I might be missing something.
"The Rapture will not happen on October 28 1992." Said Rapture would have
falsified atheism to my satisfaction had it happened, although its failure
to happen does not, of course, falsify any theisms other than those which
specifically predicted it.
"No phenomenon which requires the existence of one or more gods for its
explanation will ever be observed." That about sums the whole thing up.
> bob singleton
> bobs@thnext.mit.edu
Cheers
Simon
--
Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296
University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714
Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K.
| 0alt.atheism |
It's my understanding that, when you format a magneto-optical disc, (1) the
formatting software installs a driver on the disc, (2) if you insert the
disc in a different drive, then this driver is loaded into the computer's
memory and then controls the drive, and (3) if this driver is incompatible
with the drive, then the disc can not be mounted and/or properly read/written
Is that correct?
Thanks,
Jim Frazier
73447.3113@compuserve.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Stan Kerr writes:
>When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows
>are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server
>to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen
I have the exact same problem when running Hewlett Packard's Microwave Design
System (MDS) from an HP 380 unix box and running MacX 1.2, Sys 7.0.1*.
Normally, MDS draws a window with a deep blue backround, but occasionally
it becomes a light blue and all the text, etc, inside the window become
"washed out" (nearly invisible). I thought that it was just something
brain dead that I was doing or a subtle conflict with another app or INIT.
By slightly moving the window, and forcing a re-draw, the colors get corrected.
Harry Wolfson
wolfson@ll.mit.edu
| 5comp.windows.x |
dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes:
>Keith Allan Schneider (keith@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>Some soldiers are dependent on religion, for a number of purposes.
>And some are no doubt dependent on cocaine, yet I don't see the military paying
>for coca fields.
While religion certainly has some benefits in a combat situation, what are
the benefits of cocaine?
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
<RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>let's face it, sex and violence are the only things that sell in
>america. here's how we can implement them in the game:
Bob, sex is already ALL OVER baseball! Do you think those uniforms
can get ANY TIGHTER??
Todd Hundley's could be, I suppose; he seems to favor the
Carlton Fisk baggy-pants style. Very unfortunate. Todd, word to the
wise: if ya got it, flaunt it!
Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <C5uCHu.FFn@cbnews.cb.att.com> lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
>According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a
>gun "buy back". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in.
>They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of
>some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another
>media-event brought to you by HCI.
>
>Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100
>to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit
>tacky, but hey, whatever works.
Ack, what a public relations nightmare just begging happen.
"Gun Lobby pays vigilanties."
"NRA to shell out dough to gunfighters."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
| 16talk.politics.guns |
>markw@pspmf3.gpsemi.com (Mark Wilkinson - Ext 3443) writes:
>
>>Hi All,
>> This is the first time I've posted to the net, so I hope this is
>>going to the right people.
>> I'm looking for software packages that run on an IBM PC clone that
>>allows me to display Openlook and motif windows on the PC.
>> The idea is to use the PC as a cheap X windows terminal for use by
>>process Engineers at work.
Here's a listing that I came accross a while ago. This question seems to
come up often enough that I figured this would be of interest. Note that
the server "X Appeal" for DOS is available in demo form on the internet via
anonymous ftp. This is one way of quickly checking out the feasability of
using your system as an X server. Enjoy!
- Pete
------------------------------- Begin Enclosure ----------------------------
From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,news.answers
Subject: X Servers for DOS, Microsoft Windows, OS/2, Macs, Amigas, Atari
Followup-To: comp.windows.x
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Organization: I-NET Inc.
Summary: This is a guide or list of X servers that can be used on nonUNIX [sic] networked machines to display X clients running on UNIX machines.
Archive-name: XServers-NonUNIX
Last-modified: 1993/04/01
Version: 12.0
================================================================================
X Servers for DOS, Microsoft Windows, OS/2, Macs, Amigas, Atari
================================================================================
April 1, 1993 - Volume 12.0
================================================================================
AUTHOR: Daniel J. McCoy
I-NET Inc.
Software Technology Branch
Information Systems Directorate
NASA/Johnson Space Center
POST MAIL: NASA Mail Code PT4
NASA/Johnson Space Center
Houston, Texas 77058
E-MAIL: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
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This is a monthly guide of X servers that can be used on non-UNIX
networked machines to display X clients running on UNIX machines. I
use the name UNIX loosely here. I know others can run X.
The sources for this information come from many places: the FAQ for
comp.windows.x, blurbs and info packets from the vendors, user manuals
for the products themselves, conversations with sales representatives,
personal experience, comp.windows.x articles, etc.
Please forward any corrections or updates to the above address.
This file is also available by anonymous ftp at:
export.lcs.mit.edu[18.24.0.12] in /contrib/XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z
ftp.uwp.edu[131.210.1.4] in /pub/misc/XServers-NonUNIX.txt
msdos.archive.umich.edu[141.211.164.153] in
msdos/info/XServers-NonUNIX.txt and msdos/info/xnonunix.zip
X Servers for DOS:
DESQview/X
IBM X/Windows
Micro X-DOS
Micro X-lite
PC DECWindows Motif V3.0
PC X-Windows
PC Xsight
PC-XView
SAGE 1280 Adapter and X Windows Display Server
TeemTalk-X
Vista-eXceed
X Appeal
Xinet X-Station
Xnth
XoftWare for DOS
XoftWare for TIGA/DOS
X Servers Microsoft Windows:
DESQview/X
eXcursion for Windows
eXodus for MS Windows
HCL-eXceed/W
MicroX
MultiView/X
PC-XView
Vista-eXceed
X-One
X11/AT
XoftWare
XVision
X Servers OS/2:
IBM X-Windows for OS/2
X Servers Macintosh:
eXodus
MacX
X Servers Amiga:
UNKNOWN
X Window System Version 11 Release for the Amiga Computer
X Servers Atari:
X/TOS/window/server and X/TOS/window/server/color
==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
DESQview/X
==========
Vendor:
Melinda
Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc.
150 Pico Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90405
TEL: (310)392-9851
FAX: (310)399-3802
Price:
$275
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
386SX or higher (286 version available)
Memory:
4 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
DR DOS 6 or higher
Mouse:
optional - MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Super VGA, 8514/A, or 256 color DGIS
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
40 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the DESQview multi-tasking DOS environment
adds a graphical 3D look and feel to DESQview
gives users a choice of window managers (look and feels)
provides a growth path from character mode DOS to industry standard
graphical user interfaces
runs most regular DOS applications
runs DOS Extended applications up to 4Gbytes
can display DOS applications within graphical windows
multitasks DOS applications and X Clients either locally or remotely
provides a simple port of applications from other X systems to
DESQview/X and vice versa
gives developers a choice of application appearances, based on toolkit
chosen
supports toolkits that provide features required by developers such as
push buttons, scrollbars, pop up dialogue boxes, etc.
Adobe Type Manager for scalable fonts and scalable DOS windows
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
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IBM X/Windows
=============
Vendor:
IBM
part #5765-025
Price:
Latest Version:
2.1
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
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Micro X-DOS
===========
Vendor:
StarNet Communications Corporation
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
$345.00 1 unit
$225.00 ea. 5 pack (greater discount for larger quantities)
upgrades at 25% of original price
educational discount of 10%
Latest Version:
1.6.1
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Ahead(V5000)
ATI(18800)
Everex(VP VGA)
Genoa(6400)
Paradise(900C00/11/30)
STB(EM-16)
Trident(8800CS)
Tseng Labs(ET-3000-4000)
Video7(HT208 V7VGA)
Western Digital(900C00/11/30)
ZyMOS(Poach51)
VESA
and others
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
StarNet TCP/IP (integrated)
NCSA Telnet, ftp, lpr, etc.
Packet Drivers (Clarkson/Crynwr)
Network Software Supported:
Beame & Whiteside - BW-TCP
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Sun - PC-NFS
Disk Space:
3 Mbytes (9 Mbytes for all fonts)
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R4
Intelligent installation program
TCP/IP built-in
Support Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DEC
Supports Clarkson (Crynwr) packet drivers
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Micro X-lite
============
Vendor:
StarNet Communications Corporation
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
$75.00
Latest Version:
1.5.3
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Ahead(V5000)
ATI(18800)
Everex(VP VGA)
Genoa(6400)
Paradise(900C00/11/30)
STB(EM-16)
Trident(8800CS)
Tseng Labs(ET-3000-4000)
Video7(HT208 V7VGA)
Western Digital(900C00/11/30)
ZyMOS(Poach51)
VESA
and others
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
StarNet TCP/IP (integrated)
NCSA Telnet, ftp, lpr, ...
Packet Drivers (Clarkson/Crynwr)
Network Software Supported:
Beame & Whiteside - BW-TCP
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Sun - PC-NFS
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R4
Intelligent installation program
TCP/IP built-in
8 clients on screen at time
Fixed font oriented (variable fonts available)
Support Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DEC
Supports Clarkson (Crynwr) packet drivers
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PC DECWindows Motif V3.0
========================
Vendor:
Dennis Giokas
PC DECWindows Development
Digital Equipment Corporation
30 Porter Rd.
Littleton, MA 01460
Price:
Latest Version:
V3.0
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
up to 15 Mbytes
Operating System:
MS-DOS
Mouse:
any pointing device with MS Mouse V6.0 or later interface
Graphics:
EGA (16 color and mono)
MCGA
VGA (16 color and mono)
enhanced VGA (800x600 16 color and mono)
8514/A (1024x768 16/256 color)
pseudo color visual
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP and DECnet
Disk Space:
Features:
X11 Release 4 server
integrated virtual memory manager
standard IBM-compatible keyboards and Digital's LK250
Session manager client integrated into the server
suspend session feature to run DOS commands
Font Compiler for Adobe Bitmap Distribution files
KEYSYM compiler to customize the keyboard for default KEYCODE to KEYSYM
mappings; over 70 pre-defined keyboard mapping files
Configuration utility to define hardware environment and user
preferences
supports DECnet and TCP/IP. Available from DEC.
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PC-XView
========
Vendor:
Network Computing Devices Inc.
PC-Xdivision
9590 SW Gemini Drive
Beaverton, OR 97005
TEL: (800)800-9599, (503)641-2200
FAX: (503)643-8642
There are also 15 NCD technical and sales offices around the United
States and other international offices
Price:
PC-Xview for DOS $445.00 for 1 $1780.00 for 5
Annual Maintenance $150.00 for 1 $450.00 for 5
Update $125.00 for 1 $375.00 for 5
Latest Version:
PC-Xview for DOS Version 4.0
CPU:
286, 386 (386 recommended)
Memory:
1 Mbyte (2 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS 3.2 or higher
Mouse:
Graphics:
CGA, EGA, VGA, SVGA, XGA, TIGA
8514/A Video Standard supported with extended memory
Japanese Graphics Mode
high resolution graphics boards: Compac, Dell, HP, NEC,
Spectragraphics Squeegee, and over 50 other DGIS-based
Ethernet Card:
over 35 Ethernet communications boards supported
Network Software Needed:
TCP/IP
DECnet
Disk Space:
5 Mbytes (7 Mbytes recommended)
Features:
UNIX application support for traditional applications and
window managers such as Motif and OPEN LOOK
off-loads the graphics processing of UNIX hosts
hot-key to DOS
access to local peripherals and DOS utilities
easy and well-documented installation procedures
pop-up control panel
Motif compliant Local Window Manager
ability to run in Windows PIF window
hot-key between X and DOS (no longer have to exit) a TSR
DPMI compatibility
enhanced protocol tracing
Support XRemote protocol
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PC X-Windows
============
Vendor:
Intelligent Decisions Inc.
536 Weddell Dr. Suite 2C
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
TEL: (408)734-3730
FAX: (408)734-3634
Price:
$295
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
1 Mbyte (more recommended for hi-res or lots of pixmaps)
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 of higher
Mouse:
MS compatible mouse
Graphics:
VGA, some SVGA
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
FTP Software's PC/TCP
Wollongong's WIN/TCP
Disk Space:
4 Mbytes on hard disk
Features:
Port of MIT X11R4 server
Shape extension
MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
XDMCP
font compiler
fonts supplied
Motif, Open Look, DECWindows (VMS and Ultrix) demonstrated to work with
this server at InterOp last year.
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PC Xsight
=========
Vendor:
PC XSight
Locus Computing Corporation
9800 La Cienega Blvd.
Inglewood, CA 90301
TEL: (800)955-6287
CA: (213)670-6500
UK: +44 296 89911
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
8088, 8086, 286, 386
Memory:
640 Kbytes base memory with 512 Kbytes available
896 Kbytes extended memory
Operating System:
MS/PC DOS 3.1 or later
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse and driver (3 button mouse recommend)
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Hercules, or AT&T 6300
Ethernet Card:
Excelan EXOS 205 or 205T
3COM 3C501
Western Digital WD8003E
Micom NI5210
Acer Multitech 5220
Network Software:
Disk Space:
5-1/4-inch high-density or 3-1/2-inch diskette drive
1 Mbyte
Features:
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SAGE 1280 Adapter and X Windows Display Server
==============================================
Vendor:
Sigma Designs, Inc.
46501 Landing Parkway
Fremont, CA 94538
TEL: (415)770-0100
FAX: (415)770-0110
TELEX: 17124
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher or UNIX System V/386
Mouse:
Graphics:
high end multiscanning or fixed frequency 64 kHz monitors
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
menu-driven installation and configuration program
1280x1024 resolution
TIGA-340, 8514/A AI Emulation
CGA, MDA, Hercules, VGA pass-through emulation modes
256 colors displayable simultaneously from a palette of 16.7 million
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TeemTalk-X
==========
Vendor:
Pericom
TEL: +44 (0908) 560022
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
for IBM clones allows toggling between X and DOS
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Vista-eXceed
============
Vendor:
Control Data Corporation
Vista Distributing Computing
9315 Largo Drive West
Suite 250
Landover, MD 20785
TEL: (301)808-4270
Price:
Vista-eXceed
Vista-eXceed Plus
Vista-eXceed Plus/8514A
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes to 1 Mbyte for DOS server
1.64 Mbytes for Vista-eXceed Plus and Vista-eXceed Plus/8514A
Operating System:
MS-DOS or PC-DOS 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button MS compatible mouse
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or SVGA
color or analog monochrome monitor
Ethernet Card:
any supported by TCP/IP transports listed below
Network Software:
PC/TCP Network Software for DOS by FTP Software Inc.
PC-NFS by Sun Microsystems, Inc.
WIN/TCP for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
Pathway Access for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
LAN WorkPlace TCP/IP Transport System by Novell/Excelan
3+Open TCP by 3COM Corporation
HP ARPA Services by Hewlett Packard Corporation
Net-One TCP BNS/PC by Ungermann-Bass, Inc.
BWNFS or Telnet Package by Beame & Whiteside Software Ltd.
Disk Space:
hard disk
Features:
can may up to 16 Mbytes available for client processing
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
full interactive support for X font names and alias' schemes
locally modify keyboard mapping
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X Appeal
========
Vendor:
Giovanni Novelli
Xtreme s.a.s. - Livorno, Italy
FAX: +39-586-502310
xappeal@xtreme.sublink.org (before 1-1-93)
xappeal@xtreme.it (after 1-1-93)
Price:
$350 with quantity discounts:
23% off for 20 copies
39% off for 50 copies
51% off for 100 copies
additional 30% discount for educational institutions
demo copies available through anonymous ftp at garbo.uwasa.fi:
pc/demo/xap13exe.zip (README and executables)
pc/demo/xap10fon.zip (local server fonts)
pc/connect/drivers.zip (packet drivers)
Latest Version:
1.3
CPU:
386SX or higher
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.30 or later
Mouse:
any pointing device with MS Mouse compatible driver
Graphics:
most SVGA boards in 256 color mode
Ahead (V5000B)
ATI (18800)
Chips & Technologies (82C452)
Genoa (6400)
NCR (77C22E)
Oak Technologies (OTI-067)
Paradise (WD90C00)
Trident (8900, 8900C)
Tseng Labs (ET3000, ET4000)
Western Digital (WD90C00)
Ethernet Card:
any model compatible with packet drivers
Network Software:
TCP/IP included
Disk Space:
at least 2 Mbytes
Features:
full X11R5 Server implementation, including PEX and font server support
screen painting exceeds 6000 Xstones in 1024x768 resolution (256 colors)
on a 386/33 without 387
support for all color classes (StaticGray, GrayScale, StaticColor,
PseudoColor, TrueColor and DirectColor)
run-time resolution switch and panning on a virtual screen
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
fast cursor tracking
full support for European keyboard layouts
no memory limitation through use of virtual memory
32 bit protected mode DOS-extended application
built-in TCP/IP support, using the packet driver for the Ethernet
board (free packet driver collection included)
interactive configuration utility
X Display Manager Control Protocol support (for hosts running xdm)
X-Authorization (MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1)
shape Extension for non-rectangular windows
font compiler and RGB database utilities
X11 fonts provided, including fonts for Sun Open Windows and DECWindows
UNIX application support for traditional applications and
window managers such as Motif and OPEN LOOK
built-in rcp/rsh server, to allow file transfers and the execution
of useful DOS functions without leaving the X environment
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Xinet X-Station
===============
Vendor:
Xinetron
CA
TEL: (408)727-5509
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
up to 8 clients
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Xnth
====
Vendor:
Jerry Norman
Nth Graphics, Ltd.
TEL: (800)624-7552
this X server project has been abandoned
Price:
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS 3.3 or higher
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP
Disk Space:
Features:
supports 1280X1024 or 1024X768 resolution monitors at 256 colors (out
of 16M) with hardware acceleration for graphics and text
operations
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XoftWare for DOS
================
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$395.00
with TCP/IP $495.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes extended
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, SVGA or 8514
Ethernet Card:
compatible with network software
Network Software:
3Com 3+ Open TCP(1.2 of higher)
DEC Pathworks TCP/IP (1.1 of higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 of higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (2.05 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Hotkeys to DOS and MS Windows
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, or XDMCP startup modes
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Virtual screen Support
International keyboard support
Full font library in SNF format
BDF to SNF font compiler
Complete documentation
Support and update service
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XoftWare for TIGA/DOS
=====================
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$495.00
with TCP/IP $595.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
512 Kbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Texas Instruments TMS340-based graphics accelerator with TIGA 2.0 or
higher whith 1Mbyte DRAM
Ethernet Card:
compatible with network software
Network Software:
3Com 3+ Open TCP(1.2 of higher)
DEC Pathworks TCP/IP (1.1 of higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 of higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (2.05 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Hotkeys to DOS and MS Windows
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, or XDMCP startup modes
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Virtual screen Support
International keyboard support
Full font library in SNF format
BDF to SNF font compiler
Complete documentation
Support and update service
Optimized for TIGA graphics accelerators
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DESQview/X
==========
Vendor:
Melinda
Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc.
150 Pico Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90405
TEL: (310)392-9851
FAX: (310)399-3802
Price:
$275
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
386SX or higher (286 version available)
Memory:
4 Mbytes recommended
Operating System:
PC or MS DOS 3.0 or higher
DR DOS 6 or higher
Mouse:
MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA
VGA
Super VGA
8514/A
256-color DGIS
ATI 18800/28800(800x600)
C&T 82c452(720x540)
C&T 82c453(1024x768)
Tseng ET3000(800x600)
Tseng ET4000(1024x768)
Genoa 6400(800x600)
WD PVGA1a(640x480)
WD90C00(640x480)
WD90C11(800x600)
some revisions of Headland VEGA(800x800) and Headland V7VGA(1024x768)
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
40 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the DESQview multi-tasking DOS environment
adds a graphical 3D look and feel to DESQview
gives users a choice of window managers (look and feels)
provides a growth path from character mode DOS to industry standard
graphical user interfaces
runs most regular DOS applications
runs DOS Extended applications up to 4Gbytes
can display DOS applications within graphical windows
multitasks DOS applications and X Clients either locally or remotely
provides a simple port of applications from other X systems to
DESQview/X and vice versa
gives developers a choice of application appearances, based on toolkit
chosen
supports toolkits that provide features required by developers such as
push buttons, scrollbars, pop up dialogue boxes, etc.
can run DOS text and MS Windows graphics programs locally and remotely
Adobe Type Manager for scalable fonts and scalable DOS windows
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eXcursion for Windows
=====================
Vendor:
Digital Equipment Corporation
Maynard, Massachusetts
Price:
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
MS Windows supported mouse
Graphics:
MS Windows supported card
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Decnet with PATHWORKS for DOS
TCP/IP with PATHWORKS for DOS (TCP/IP)
TCP/IP with PC/TCP from FTP Software, Inc.
TCP/IP with 3Com TCP with Demand Protocol Architecture
Disk Space:
7-15 Mbytes hard desk
3.5-720 Kbyte or 5.25-1.2 Mbyte floppy drive
Features:
Seperate application windows for each X applicatioon displayed by the X
server
EXcursion Setup utility for installing eXcursion under MS Windows
Control Panes provides an easy way to start X applications and
customize environment
Online Help
Ability to cut and paste text or graphics between X and MS Windows
Ability to compile new fonts
Ability to redefine keys on the keyboard
Personal password security access to eXcursion
Three button mouse emulation
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eXodus for MS Windows
=====================
Vendor:
White Pine Software, Inc.
40 Simon Street, Suite 201
Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (603)886-9050
FAX: (603)886-9051
email: sdarling@wpine.com
AppleLink: WHITEPINE
Price:
$449
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
recommended
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, SVGA, DGIS
Ethernet Card:
most cards
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
X11R4
color and monochrome X screen support including 24bit TrueColor
backing store and save under options
full XDMCP support
access control support
online help
3 button mouse emulation
text and graphics transfers between MS Windows and Macintosh clipboards
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HCL-eXceed/W
============
Vendor:
Hummingbird Communications Ltd.
2900 John Street, Unit 4
Markham, Ontario, Canada L3R 5G3
TEL: (416)470-1203
FAX: (416)470-1207
Price:
$595 1 copy
$536 2-4 copies
$476 5-9 copies
$417 10 or more copies
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes or more recommended
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows version 3 (Standard and 386 Enhanced Modes)
Mouse:
MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or VGA+
Ethernet Card:
any compatible with the networking product you choose
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
makes full use of 8514 and other high resolution graphics cards
redesigned for MS Windows (not an implementation of MIT X)
copy & paste between X-Windows and MS Windows
interactive configuration utility
full interactive support for font naming & alias schemes
font compiler
log file of host-generated messages
Backing Store and Save Unders
virtual screen support
seven start-up methods
full support for European keyboards
font, host access & RGB databases loading
X protocol trace & dissassembly functionality
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Micro X-WIN
===========
Vendor:
StarNet Communications
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
Micro X-WIN $425.00 1 unit
$300.00 ea. 5-pack (greater discount for larger quantities)
upgrades at 25% of original price
educational discount of 10%
Latest Version:
2.2.1 for X11 Release 5
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
4 Mbytes
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.1 or higher
MS Windows 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
MS Windows supported cards
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
Lanera TCPOpen (WinSock compatible)
Network Software Supported:
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Lanera - TCPOpen
Sun - PC-NFS
WinSock compatible TCP/IP stacks
Disk Space:
5 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R5
Integrated rsh/rexec with displayed results
Auto start-up with XDMCP or rsh/rexec
Easy additional session start-up
Panning
Supports Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DECWindows
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
MultiView/X
===========
Vendor:
JSB Computer Systems Ltd.
Cheshire House, Castle Street, Macclesfield
Cheshire, England, SK11 6AF
TEL: 0625 433618
JSB Corporation
108 Whispering Pines Drive, Suite 115
Scotts Valley, California 95066
TEL: (408)438-8300, (800)359-3408
FAX: (408)438-8360
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
RS 232 direct connections, RS 232 modem connections, Atlantix Axcess,
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP, D-Link TCP/IP for DOS, FTP PC/TCP,
HP ARPA Services for DOS, IBM AIX Access for DOS users,
ICL Oslan (int 5b), Locus PCI, Locus TCP/IP for DOS,
MS LAN Manager for UNIX, MS LAN Manager for UNIX V2.1, NCR Token Ring,
Novell LAN WorkPlace for DOS, SCO Xenix-Net, Sun PC-NFS,
Ungermann-Bass Net/One, Ungermann-BassNet/One NETCI (int6b),
Wollongong PathWay Access DOS, Wollongong WIN/TCP for DOS,
3 Com 3+Open TCP
Disk Space:
Features:
provides a Character Server for character applications
emulation for DEC VT100, DEC VT220, DEC VT241, SCO UNIX/Xenix Console,
X/Open ANSI, INTERACTIVE UNIX Console, AT&T UNIX Console
automatically invokes the X server when an X client is selected
passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, and XDMCP startup modes supported
full X11R4 font library provided in standard Windows format
BDF to Windows compiler
copy and paste of text available
single iconic desktop
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
PC-XView
========
Vendor:
Network Computing Devices Inc.
PC-Xdivision
9590 SW Gemini Drive
Beaverton, OR 97005
TEL: (800)800-9599, (503)641-2200
FAX: (503)643-8642
There are also 15 NCD technical and sales offices around the United
States and other international offices
Price:
PC-Xview for Windows $445.00 for 1 $1780.00 for 5
Annual Maintenance $150.00 for 1 $450.00 for 5
Update $125.00 for 1 $375.00 for 5
Latest Version:
3.1
CPU:
286, 386 (386 recommended)
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
MS-DOS or PC-DOS 3.0 or higher
MS Windows 3.0/3.1 or Windows NT
Mouse:
recommended but not needed
Graphics:
any compatible with MS Windows
Ethernet Card:
Network Software Needed:
TCP/IP
DECnet
Disk Space:
7 Mbytes (10 Mbytes recommended)
Features:
runs MS Windows applications alongside X clients
cut and paste between X clients and MS Windows
applications using the Windows clipboard
full support of X11R4 features, including the Shape extension
off-loads graphics processing from host computers
runs in both standard and enhanced modes of MS Windows
manages X clients with a standard remote window manager or
with MS Windows
full X11 fonts provided, including fonts for Sun Open Windows
and DECWindows
Windows-based compiler that converts Bitmap Description Format
BDF fonts to MS Windows format(FON) fonts
Windows-based file transfer program
prints files from a remote host on your local printer
built-in client starter
Windows-based installation and configuration
DDL support for network interfaces
easy installation procedures
X Display Manager Control Protocol(XDMCP) support
support for multiple TCP/IP network packages
comprehensive and well organized User's guide
Graphics Cut & Paste
Virtual Screen support
support the XRemote protocol (developed by NCD)
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
Vista-eXceed
============
Vendor:
Control Data Corporation
Vista Distributing Computing
9315 Largo Drive West
Suite 250
Landover, MD 20785
TEL: (301)808-4270
Price:
Vista-eXceed/W
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes for MS Windows server
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
MS Windows 3.0
Mouse:
2 or 3 button MS compatible mouse
MS Windows supported mouse
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or SVGA
any supported by MS Windows
Ethernet Card:
any supported by TCP/IP transports listed below
Network Software:
PC/TCP Network Software for DOS by FTP Software Inc.
PC-NFS by Sun Microsystems, Inc.
WIN/TCP for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
Pathway Access for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
LAN WorkPlace TCP/IP Transport System by Novell/Excelan
3+Open TCP by 3COM Corporation
HP ARPA Services by Hewlett Packard Corporation
Net-One TCP BNS/PC by Ungermann-Bass, Inc.
BWNFS or Telnet Package by Beame & Whiteside Software Ltd.
Disk Space:
hard disk
Features:
can may up to 16 Mbytes available for client processing
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
full interactive support for X font names and alias' schemes
locally modify keyboard mapping
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
X11/AT
======
Vendor:
Intergrated Inference Machines, Inc.
Computer Products Division
1468 East Katella Avenue
Anaheim, CA 92805-9806
TEL: (714)978-6201 and (714)978-6776
FAX: (714)939-0746
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes base memory
2 Mbytes extended memory
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.1 or later
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
Graphics:
any graphics card and that supports MS Windows - EGA or VGA resolution,
or better, are recommended
CGA (Color Graphics Adapter)
COMPAQ Portable III or Portable 386 plasma display
EGA with high-resolution color display
EGA whith low-resolution color display
Hercules with high-resolution monochrome display
IBM 8514/A display
Olivetti monochrome or PVC display
Olivetti OEC display
WYSE high resolution monochrome
Moniterm Viking monochrome
VGA (Video Graphics Array)
Ethernet Card:
also compatible with Excelan, 3COM, Ungermann Bass, Western Digital,
Tiara, IIM's X/PAC, and others
Network Software:
Either Excelan's TCP/IP Driver Set or FTP Inc. PC/TCP Driver Set
(not included with X11/AT)
Disk Space:
at least 2.5 Mbytes of storage capacity available for X11/AT software,
excluding optional X fonts; to use all X fonts supplied with X11/AT,
a total of 5.5 Mbytes is required
Features:
Concurrent MS-DOS & X Windows operation
Concurrent X Windows & Telnet operation
Cut & Paste utility, FTP utility
Font compiler for user-developed fonts
Telnet and FTP utilities included
compatible with the following FTP software programs, when not operated
under MS Windows:
ftp, the file transfer protocol client
ftpsev, the file transfer protocol server
interdrive, the network file system (NFS)
ping, a network test
tnvt, the telnet virtual terminal client
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
X-One
=====
Vendor:
Grafpoint
1485 Saratoga Avenue
San Jose, CA 95129
TEL: (800)426-2230 7:30-5:00 PST, (408)466-1919
FAX: (408)446-0666
uunet!grafpnt!sales
Price:
(free demo copies)
Latest Version:
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
MS Windows
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse
Graphics:
VGA
Super VGA
8514A
TIGA
VGA boards with S3 chip set
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Grafpoint's TCP/IP included
Disk Space:
Features:
X11R4
on-screen setup
builtin TCP/IP
supports local clients such as telnet/vt100 window, a setup window,
an rsh window, a local window manager
DOS and Windows versions in one product
hot key to DOS
90 days of telephone technical support
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
XVision
=======
Vendor:
VisionWare Limited White Pine is re-badging XVision as
57 Cardigan Lane eXodus for Windows
Leeds LS4 2LE 40 Simon Street, Suite 201
United Kingdom Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (0532) 788858 TEL: (603)886-9050
+44 532 788858 FAX: (603)886-9051
FAX: (0532) 304676 sdarling@wpine.com
+44 532 304676 AppleLink: WHITEPINE
vware@visionware.co.uk
Price:
$449.00 1 users $9100.00 30 users
$1800.00 5 users $11850.00 40 users
$3600.00 10 users $14600.00 50 users
$6350.00 20 users educational discounts available
adding a user where at least 10 are installed - $275.00
XRemote support per PC: bundled - $95.00 upgrade - $150.00
full documentation - $60.00 evaluation copy - $60.00
Latest Version:
4.1
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or later
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
recommended but not required
Graphics:
MS Windows compatible graphics
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
FTP PC/TCP
Excelan LAN Workplace for DOS
Locus TCP/IP for DOS
Ungermann Bass NET/ONE TCP-PC
Wollongong WIN/TCP for DOS
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP
Sun PC-NFS
HP LAN Manager (ARPA Services for DOS)
3Com 3+ Open
Disk Space:
5-1/4-inch high-density or 3-1/2-inch high-density
Features:
copy and paste between X and MS Windows
use a host window manager or allow MS Windows to control X clients
support for all color classes (StaticGray, GrayScale, StaticColor,
PseudoColor, TrueColor and DirectColor)
several user options for performance enhancement
X11 Release 5 server
fonts and server extensions including XDMCP
ICCCM compliant
X clients may also use MS Windows fonts
easy configuration of the system via dialog boxes
provides the functionality of a three-button mouse
support for all international keyboards supported by Windows
host access control
network-aware setup and on-line help
iconic control panel for configuring XVision
Dynamic Server Optimizations (XVision runs tests on the PC at install
time to see how best to draw to the display)
support for: NCD XRemote, DECnet, SHAPE extension, 24-bit color,
MS Windows font managers, all color classes, rsh, rexec
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
XoftWare
========
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$495.00
with TCP/IP $595.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes extended
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Windows 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
MS Windows compatible mouse
Graphics:
card with MS Windows driver
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP (2.2 or higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
DEC Pathworks (4.0 or higher)
HP ARPA Services (2.1 or higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 or higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Ungermann-Bass Net/One TCP (16.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (4.1.1 or higher)
Wollongong WIN/TCP (1.1 or higher)
3Com 3+ Open TCP (1.2 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Context Sensitive on-line help system
Cut and paste between X and MS Windows
Start X applications with MS Windows icons
Single and multiple window modes
MS Window manager used with X applications
Virtual screen up to 32,767 by 32,767
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, and XDMCP startup modes
Backing store and save unders
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Full font library in FON format
BDF to MS Windows FON font compiler
Log file optionally saves system messages
Tutorial on the X Window System
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==
IBM X-Windows for OS/2
======================
Vendor:
IBM Solutions Center
Voice: 1-800-IBM-CALL
FAX: 1-303-440-1639
Price:
$150 plus $200 for IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 (required)
Latest Version:
Version 1.2.1
Part Number 02G6980 (X-Windows)
02G6968 (TCP/IP)
CPU:
386SX or higher
Memory:
6 Mbytes recommended (4 minimum)
Operating System:
IBM OS/2 2.0 or higher
Mouse:
OS/2 compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Super VGA, 8514/A, XGA, or other OS/2 supported card
Ethernet Card:
compatible with OS/2 (NDIS)
Network Software:
IBM TCP/IP (required)
Disk Space:
80 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the OS/2 advanced PC operating system
provides full X11R4 server, X font library, X font compiler,
X client utilities
runs as another object on the WorkPlace Shell (WPS) desktop
cut and paste between OS/2, DOS, and Windows applications running under
OS/2 full TCP/IP implementation including ftp, telnet, lamail,
ping, finger, SLIP, rsh, remote printing, BOOTP, VT100/220, and
many more
other modules available, including NFS, Programmer's Toolkit (includes
Kerberos, RPC, DPI, NCS, ftp API, sockets API, Resolver API),
and more
==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==
=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
eXodus
======
Vendor:
White Pine Software, Inc.
40 Simon Street, Suite 201
Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (603)886-9050
FAX: (603)886-9051
email: sdarling@wpine.com
AppleLink: WHITEPINE
Price:
$295
Latest Version:
3.0
CPU:
all Macintosh computers
eXodus II runs on Macintosh computers with a 68020 or 68030 processor
and a floating point co-processor
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
version 6.0 or later
version 6.0.3 or later if you plan to use Communications Toolbox for
network connections
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP - MacTCP by Apple Computer, Inc. (part of CommSolutions)
TCP/IP - TCPort/LAN Workplace by Novell, Inc. (formerly TCPort/Host
Access)
DECnet - TSSnet by Thursby Software Systems, Inc. (a special version
is distributed as part of CommSolutions)
DECnet - CommUnity-Mac distributed by Everex, Inc.
DECnet - DECnet for Macintosh (part of PATHWORKS by Digital Equipment
Corporation)
ADSP - PATHWORKS distributed by Digital Equipment Corporation
AppleTalk
Disk Space:
Features:
supports MultiFinder
under A/UX, clients and server run on the Macintosh
under Macintosh Operating System, clients run on another computer
conforms to the Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines
user standard Macintosh pull-down menus
functions as a Macintosh program under the Macintosh Operating System
handles Macintosh events
can use normal Macintosh environment
=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
MacX
====
Vendor:
Apple Computer, Inc.
Cupertino, CA 95014
TEL: (408)996-1010
TLX: 171-576
or any Apple dealer (BusinessLand,MicroAGE, etc.)
Price:
MacX Order No. M0108LL/C ??
MacX Manual Set Order No. M0602LL/B ??
MacX 1.1.7 Update Product Order No. M1197LL/A ??
Mac X and X11 Site License Order No. M0749LL/C ??
Latest Version:
1.2
CPU:
any Macintosh
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
system software 6.0.5 or later
Mouse:
Graphics:
1-bit and 8-bit graphics
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
LocalTalk, Ethernet
Disk Space:
at least two floppy disks for 6.0.5 or later
3.5 Mbytes hard disk tor 7.0
Features:
X11 release 4 server
ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the
Macintosh and X11
SHAPE extension (including SHAPED windows on the Macintosh desktop)
optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager
built-in BDF font compiler
built-in standard colormaps
built-in window managers
support for system software version 7.0
support for multiple monitors
copy and paste text and graphics
=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
UNKNOWN
========
Vendor:
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and libraries
on a full SVR4 implementation
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
X Window System Version 11 Release for the Amiga Computer
=========================================================
Vendor:
GfxBase, Inc.
Dale Luck
1881 Ellwell Drive
Milpitas, CA 95035
TEL: (408)262-1469
FAX: (408)262-8276
Usenet: boing!dale
Bix: duck
amiga!boing!dale@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Price:
$395.00 ($90.00 yearly maintenance fee)
Latest Version:
4.1
CPU:
AmigaDos computer:
A1000
A2000
A2500
A3000
A3000T
A4000
A500
A600
Memory:
1 Mbyte for Server and 640x400 2-color display
more RAM required for local clients
Operating System:
AmigaDOS Operating System V1.3 or later
Mouse:
Amiga 2 button mouse, or optical 3 button mouse, tablet, trackball,
or International keyboard
Graphics:
NTSC to 1440x482(60hz), PAL(1440x568 50 hz)
Overscan, genlock and interlace supported
A2024/Viking 1 1024x8000(60hz), 1024x1024(50hz)
Super Screens to 2560x2560 scrollable on smaller display
Productivity screen - 640x480 60hz noninterlaced (640x960 interlaces)
Two colors out of a palette of 4096 can be selected. Cursor has two
separately controlled colors
Color server: 2,4,8,16,32 colors from 4096. A2024/Viking 1 - 4 gray
scales. Some resolutions restricted
GDA1 640x480, 800x600, 1024x800 noninterlaced 256/16M
Ameristar 1600GX 1280x1024, 1600x1280 noninterlaced 256/16M
Ethernet Card:
Commodore A2065
Network Software:
Commodore TCP/IP or Syndesis DECnet for ethernet and serial
connections, SANA for local
Disk Space:
7-14 Mbytes
Features:
contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc.
Amiga Xpr uses the standard Amiga printer device technology which
supports more that 50 different types of printers. Black and
White of Color
Xamiga R4 monochrome and color servers
optional programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries,
and sample programs
Optional mwm window manager
Optional toolkits/widgets Motif, XView, HP
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari==
X/TOS/window/server and X/TOS/window/server/color
=================================================
Vendor:
X/software Michael Gehret
X/TOS division
Marktstrasse 8
W-8944 Groenenbach
Germany
TEL: +49 8334 1411
FAX: +49 8334 6245
email: xtosinfo@xsoft.uucp
Price:
X/TOS/window/server (for all TOS computers) DM 1,098.00
X/TOS/window/server/color (for all TOS computers) DM 1,498.00
option 030 (for 68030 or 68040 processors only) DM 98.00
X/TOS/window/server/color option 030 and option PEX T.B.A.
overseas order handling DM 100.00
none-EC European order handling DM 50.00
Latest Version:
502.*
CPU:
Atari Mega ST, STE, TT
68000 to 68040
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
TOS 1.4 or higher
Mouse:
Atari mouse
Graphics:
X/TOS/window/server:
monochrome 640x400x1,
monochrome 1280x960x1 (TT, SM194)
X/TOS/window/server/color:
monochrome 640x400x1,
monochrome 1280x960x1 (TT, SM194)
color 320x200x4
color 640x200x2
color 640x480x4
color 320x480x8
Ethernet Card:
Atari Card (Mega or VME bus)
Riebl/Wacker (Mega or VME bus)
--------------------------------- End Enclosure -----------------------------
____________________________________________________________________________
| Peter J. McKinney pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu |
| Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory |
| Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program |
| Civil Engineering Department |
| Colorado State University |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 5comp.windows.x |
I'm writing a driver that needs to remap some I/O ports. This means
virtual mode. Unfortunately virtual mode means it won't get along
with expanded memory managers, so I need make it an EMM driver too.
Does anyone out there have EMM code. Can any point me to an EMM code source?
-Thanks, Morgan
--
<morgan@DL5000.bc.edu>
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Does anyone have information about the struggles that Patti
Duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings.
Did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered
these problems? I recall that she wrote a book about her troubles.
Does someone have the title of that book?
| 13sci.med |
In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged.
I may not wave: I just wink at you with one eye. 'Course, it's hard to see
that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a "true rider with
the real riding attitude," you'll sense it.
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than
sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces
when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to
for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate
substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde
produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to
living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it.
Phenylalanine is
nothing for you to worry about. It is an amino acid, and everyone uses small
quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body. Some people have a disease
known as phenylketoneurea, and they are missing the enzyme necessary to
degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body. For them, it will
accumulate in the body, and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve
cells. Therefore, it is Only a major problem in young children (until around
age 10 or so) or women who are pregnant and have this disorder. It used to
be a leading cause of brain damage in infants, but now it can be easily
detected at birth, and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine
as a child, or when pregnant.
-heather
| 13sci.med |
In article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
>>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must
>>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of
>>
>>>No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of
>>>previous years.
>Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish
>survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further
>into the past, reparations become less realistic.
I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the
world. They were 'our' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated
by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always
participate in 'The Turkish Genocide Day' along with millions of Turkish
and Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada.
...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned
justice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and...
- We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its
responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render
reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its
rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an
issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that
artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed.
- We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States
that it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts
the principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures
to the contrary.
- As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement
protest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued
coddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet
Armenia.
- We also demand that the United States return to the policies
advocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen,
who have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards
the rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case.
- Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's.
And in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly
lied:
>The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine
>on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section.
Well, still anxiously awaiting...
CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh :
"Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle
on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians
overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the
area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying
and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."
Helen Womack
The Independent, 2/29/92
Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:
"The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the
women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees.
The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real
slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive.
'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving
up people with their bayonets and knives.' A 45-year-old man who had been
shot in the back said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened
up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child."
Thomas Goltz
Sunday Times, 3/1/92
Armenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing:
"...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack.
Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from
the Khocaly area."
Brian Killen (Reuters)
The Washington Times, 3/2/92
Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan :
"Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles
away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off...
'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to
Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one
truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their
faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."
Brian Killen (Reuters)
The Washington Times, 3/3/92
Massacre By Armenians Being Reported:
"The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had
killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the
area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre."
(Reuters)
The New York Times, 3/3/92
Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova:
"Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some
of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting
at them when they sought to recover the bodies."
Fred Hiatt
The Washington Post, 3/3/92
Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:
"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead
and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies
of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31
we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing
uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small
children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children
cradled in the women's arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had
terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they
saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."
Anatol Lieven
The Times (London), 3/3/92
Karabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains:
"Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops
surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six
or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. 'We thought they would just
bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they
attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.'
Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their
way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the
way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the
battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road."
Anatol Lieven
The Times (London), 3/3/92
Corpses Litter Hills in Karabagh:
"As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw
the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as
they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had
been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..."
Anatol Lieven
The Times (London), 3/4/92
"Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of
120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the
disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from
recovering more bodies."
The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92
Exiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh:
"Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed...
More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of
widespread civilian deaths and mutilation...
One woman's feet appeared to have been bound..."
Paul Quinn-Judge
The Boston Globe, 3/4/92
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Andy Beyer has claimed that the Israeli Press is a bit biased.
But the fact is that there are events shaping the politics of the
mideast that people who do not read the Israeli press simply know
nothing about. Many of these events are not even mentioned here.
I read the Israeli press to learn of important events about which
you know nothing, because of your total reliance on western media
for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media
and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody
who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about
Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on.
As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they
are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media
here in America. But they still report events about which people
here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and
the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American
who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report
on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <gordonsC5rLn3.799@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><solovayC5rKCn.5J9@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>
>>(Am I the only one who's reminded of Masada?)
>
>Gentleman, are we also forgetting the near genocide of the Native American
>for the barbaric act of being "heathen" (i.e. a non-Christian) by a
>predominantly Christian government. That's a little over 200 years as I
>recall. I'd say that for the most part it was religious persecution
>(their religion dictated their lifestyle).
No, it wasn't religious persecution. They were in the way of a
greedy, better armed, better supported people. Painting your enemies
as barbarians is one of the oldest, and most well used tactics.
--
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EMT-D # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#ASSASINATEDEA
N9ISY (tech) # Somewhere out on the # Politicians prefer #NAZIPLUTONIUM
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In my quest for speed, I've run into a problem. 66.66 mhz and 80 mhz
clock oscillators are available but I haven't found any speeds between
66.66 and 70 mhz for further testing. Fox Electronics (813) 693-0099 can make custom oscillators but if anyone knows a source cheaper than $12/osc please
let me know. Some 68 and 70 mhz units would complete my speed trials on the
old Q700
Guy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
>I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted
>from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies
>all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's
>office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true?
I have been in the same boat as you last year. I've tried four times to
send you an email response, but your end doesn't seem to accept my mail?
Please let me know if you receive this.
Cheers Nigel
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr16.092618.22936@husc3.harvard.edu>,
kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
|> I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective
|> self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the
|> pro-RKBA arguments presented here.
|>
|> The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a
|> million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring
|> criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number
|> of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However,
|> it is surprising that the "Evil AntiGun Empire " (Darth Vader
|> breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare
|> "All legitimate gun defenses" vs. "All gun crimes." Instead,
|> it's always "All legitimate gun defenses," which includes
|> cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and
|> cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just
|> criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which
|> the victim died.
|>
|> Why is this? Of course, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say
|> that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the
|> consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that
|> a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn
|> into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate
|> gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who
|> were deterred would have committed more crime or more
|> serious crimes had they not been deterred.
I think its an attempt to show lives_saved v lives_lost; all other
gun related crimes don't result in lives_lost. On the other hand,
its impossible to know how many of the successful self defenses
prevented lives from being lost. In other words, the lives_lost
is pretty clear [its the homicide and non negligent manslaughter
number], while the lives saved is some percentage of the successful
self defenses. Clearly that percentage doesn't have to be real
high to show that lives_saved > lives_lost.
As a semi-related point, check out Kleck's "Point Blank". I believe
it goes into some related areas; it also is well written and informative.
|>
|> -Case Kim
|>
|> kim39@husc.harvard.edu
|>
--
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(internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy
(and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine..
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Sean Oliver (Sean_Oliver@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
: I live up in British Columbia, Canada.The cable company I use is called
: Rogers Cable. Does anyone know of their scrambling techniques, and ways of
: getting
: around them? Any suggestions of what they might use?
:
I don't know the answer to your question, but I am sure Rogers Cable can so
I tool the libery of forwarding your question to them and I am sure they
will be in touch. :-)
Marc Christensen
| 12sci.electronics |
Hiyas ALL,
Upon getting Animated Desktop for Windows as a gift from my boyfriend, I
couldn't wait to install it. I had gotten an advertisement for it and put
it aside
with my list of 'I Wants.' After installing the software, it didn't load.
No part of
the software would load even though the install went seemingly well.
I called Deltapoint with the problem and after asking me twenty
million different questions about my system.. concluded that I had one of
the
systems that the software was 'incompatible with'. Of course they're
willing to
give me my $$$ back.. What a waste of time and energy. The folks on their
support line, although nice, are extremely ignorant regarding the workings
of
Windows 3.1.
After my experience with the installation of the SB 16, I learned
some of the function of windows dll files. Before sending back Desktop
Animator, decided to do some fooling around with the different versions of
.dll files I had. I had 2 versions of cpalette.dll one dated 8/92 and >
100K the
other dated 1/93 and smaller (the 1/93 smaller version was the one supplied
with Desktop Animator). I moved the bigger, older version of cpalette.dll
to a
directory outside my path. (For some reason, I had the older Cpalette.dll
in my
Windows directory and the newer cpallette in my windows\system directory.)
When I did this, the animator's editor loaded.. and so did 2 other of the
applications in the package.. the main application still didn't load. Does
anyone have any ideas as to why this would occur or any further suggestions
for trouble-shooting?
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
ma_ind25@blurt.oswego.edu wrote:
: I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player
: Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose
: nickname was "3 fingers" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers.
0 for 2, ma_ind25.
Daniel Patrick Staub is a Catholic school kid from Nawlins, Mordecai
Brown a farm kid (probably Protestant) from somewhere in the Midwest.
He lost those fingers in a farm machinery accident.
Jim Palmer isn't Jewish himself, but Mr. Jockey Shorts's adoptive
parents are.
Also, I'm not absolutely certain that Carew actually converted. His
wife and children certainly are Jewish.
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traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:
>
>In article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La
>wrence C. Foard) writes:
>>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
>>>
>>> Male sex survey: Gay activity low
>>>
>>> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
>>> examination of American men's sexual practices published since
>>> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
>>> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
>>> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
>>>
>>> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday
>>> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than
>>> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional
>>> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.
>>
>>1) So what?
>
>So there are less gays, then the gays claim.
Last I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected
as a representative for "gaydom". Should I ascribe every thing
you say as representing every member of the straight community?
>>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers
>> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of
>> us then this is an event unprecidented in history...
>>
>
>Dream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring
>in half of that.
Thats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better
start wondering about the validity of the study.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes:
>
>I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
>something done? How? Who? Where?
A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not the
only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
witnesses a crime can do so.
Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy). Fill
out the ticket and sign it. It will go through the same system any
ticket a cop writes goes through. If contested, you will have to
appear in court to prosecute. Your word will not carry the same weight
as a cop's.
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Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <ragraca.734906386@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>Tigers' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago,
>the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A's at Tiger Stadium
>by beating the A's 3-2. Here are the highlights:
> R H E
> Oakland 2 9 0
> Detroit 3 7 1
>
> [game description deleted]
>
>In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said
>its one of the few times he's gotten emotional in his managing career. It
>was a big moment for him, and I'm sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously
>very happy for him. And what a way to get number 2,000!.
>
> [woofing deleted]
>--Randy
>
In another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was "the
best manager in basebal," explaining that to be part of the history
of Sparky softened the blow of losing.
Go Tigers!!!
Tim
Timothy Law Snyder
Department of Computer Science
Reiss 225
Georgetown University
Washington, DC 20057
tim@normal.georgetown.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The probability is that the Oilers are not going anywhere.
Gerald, look at what happened to the Stars; they are off to Dallas.
>Pocklington has chosen this moment to make his "last" stand is
>because he is at the moment of maximum advantage...the provincial
>government is months away from a provincial election...it is
>the moment when he has maximum power to convince Northlands
>to give him a better arena deal or a better purchase price...
>and it is before the NHL's new collective agreement with
>the players which might involve some enhanced revenue-sharing.
Gerald, the Alberta election is slated fou 7 June, unless something RE?ALLY goes
wrong this time!! Pocklington could end up being THE embarassment of Klein
if he goes ahead with his 'ultimatum'.
>Pocklington is many things...stupid is not one of them.
Gerald, people still have an axe to grind with this guy. I CANNOT see him staying for long.
>He can dictate terms...because other cities will pay his
>price if Edmonton doesn't.
But the people in Edmonton won't budge, trust me on this one.
>Edmonton has already ****** up its international airport, and
>surrendered supremacy to Calgary, and over the next few years
>Edmonton is going to take a hard hit from government cutbacks.
>It will screw itself beyond recogniton if it manages to find
>a way to lose its hockey team too...because Northlands wants
>to continue to use the Oilers to subsidize horse racing.
Northlands won't budge ccording to one of the board members, Bruce Campbell.
>However, in this case, about the long-term financial
>viability of the Oilers, the fact is that Pocklington is basically
>right, regardless of who owns the team, and it is right to provoke
>the crisis now, before the team accumulates millions of dollars
>in losses, or becomes habitually uncompetitive because of lack
>of money.
I haven't heard anything, BUT attendance at the Coliseum was the lowest this
year. HINT!!HINT!! Remeber what I said about a personal vendetta?
>Sather has done his job...the Oilers are poised to be competitive
>again very soon (Al Strachan, one of the most knowledgeble hockey
>writers in Canada in a post-mortem of the Oilers season in
>the Globe and Mail recently agrees with me.)
Gerald, don't blame Sather. This battle between the peole and Pocklington
started in 1986 and got WORST when Pocklington sold Gretzky.
There were days when you can shake the hand of Pocklington when he was
respectalbe( I use to do so in 1982 - 1983 season) , but those days are GOE!!
>Gerald
BTW, when following up, please delete name of posting writer.
--
Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc.(Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
( yadalle@amisk.cs.ualberta.ca) God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!Remember!
Jesus saves lives from eternal damnation!
Newfoundland, keep good old Clyde, VOTE LIBERAL!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <9304182100.AA08789@poly.math.cor>, harelb@math.cornell.edu writes:
> ******************************************************
> "IT IS A MATTER OF LOGIC that government-run systems are
> inefficient, and the fact that the highly bureaucratized private
> sector system in the US is vastly more inefficient is therefore
> irrelevant.
Proof that the entire private sector is vastly more inefficient?
> It is, for example, of no relevance that Blue Cross
> of Massachusetts employs 6680 people, more than are employed in
> all of Canada's health programs, which insure 10 times as many
> people"
Blue Cross is the government health insurance provider.
Oops.
[Ads for Z magazine deleted to Save the Earth]
Brett
________________________________________________________________________________
"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
Squeaky BMW riders.
--
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UniSQL, Inc. --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu some days i miss d. boon real bad.
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <Stafford-200493102833@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>>
>> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>>
>> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>>
>> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
>
> imho, you did the wrong thing. You could have been shot
> or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
> out of you. Consider that the person is foolish enough
> to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
>
> Just get the heck away from the idiot.
>
> IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
> file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
> It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
.
>
> All standard disclaimers apply.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1rm29k$i7t@hsdndev.harvard.edu> rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:
:In article <enea1-270493135255@enea.apple.com>
: enea1@applelink.apple.com (Horace Enea) writes:
:>Can anyone out there tell me the difference between a "persistent" disease
:>and a "chronic" one? For example, persistent hepatitis vs chronic
:>hepatitis.
:
:I don't think there is a general distinction. Rather, there are
:two classes of chronic hepatitis: chronic active hepatitis and chronic
:persistent hepatitis. I can't think of any other disease where the
:term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic.
:
:Much as these two terms "chronic active" and "chronic persistent"
:sound fuzzy, the actual distinction between the two conditions
:is often fairly fuzzy as well.
I beg to differ. Chronic *active* hepatitis implies that the disease
remains active, and generally leads to liver failure. At the very
minimum, the patient has persistently elevated liver enzymes (what some
call "transaminitis"). Chronic *persistant* hepatitis simply means that
the patient has HbSag in his/her blood and can transmit the infection, but
shows no evidence of progressive disease. If I had to choose, I'd much
rather have the persistant type.
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr23.035543.25060@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes:
>In article <199304201011.AA00801@mosque.cs.huji.ac.il> dny@cs.huji.ac.il (Danny Halamish) writes:
>>
>>Also, DBLSPACE is crap. It writes about 40% slower than stacker, reads about
>>20% slower, and compresses about 10% LESS. All tests were made on the same
>>computer with the same disk, no cache, and the same (big) files were used.
>
>Couldn't agree more. On my 486-50 I don't miss the speed. It's still
>faster than a normal disk read would be. As for the less compression,
>
>koberg
I recall reading a review article in PC Computing wherein they reported
a reduction in the loading time for lengthy programs using Stacker 3.0.
This was not due to the compression algorithm per se, but to the fact
that fewer fetches were required during the sequential file access. Does
anyone have any actual performance numbers relating to speeds of Stacker
and Dblspace?
bs
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
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Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...
Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
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In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes:
>>
>>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle
>>CP>can get you "laid".
>>
>>True! Oh so very thankfully true!
>
>Gentlemen;
>
> Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the
>comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an
Tod, I think you've misspoke. If they're banking on owning a motorcycle
to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes. Quite the
reverse...
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Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep" Naperville, IL
__ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/ followed by the words "Daddy! Yay!"
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