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In article <1993Apr6.195022.6362@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to
>sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name)
Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player
defect first.
>...Canada does not have the restrictions against
>Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the
>Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the
>Blue Jays would do this.
What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all
teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to
me.
> Cubans players would not have to defect
>to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos
>and Blue Jays without any trouble.
Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said.
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
acooney@netcom.com (Alan Cooney) writes:
>...discussion of Motorola vs Intel uC's
>
>In other words, just add your favorite serial level converters (Mac folks
>can use the cheaper, farther, and faster RS422 drivers, PC users get to
>suffer with RS232...) and start using your project! Think about it...
How much software is out there for the Mac? I've been interested
in using microcontrollers in imbedded applications for a long time,
but was always under the impression that I would need an IBM to run
the debug/compile/etc software.
I would like to use a 6811 or 6816. I'm proficient in 6800 assembly,
but have never NEEDED it except some toying with old 6802EVBs.
Motorola doesn't seem to have any information on Mac software (at
least their local distributor doesn't) and the ELE department around
here has been of little help as well.
I hope someone can tell me that I don't have to buy an IBM to
work with the 6811 or 6816 Evaluation Boards...please send me mail!
Andrew
--
Andrew <reynhout@cs.uri.edu> "If you remind me of my dog,
we'll probably get along" -jane siberry
meow
| 12sci.electronics |
I still have about 70 records left on hand, all in pristine condition
(except where noted), quite a few out-of-print and more than a few
imports in the bunch.
Rather than selling the majority for $3-4 each, I'm looking to barter
packages for stuff that you might be selling over USENET. I'll also
trade for other records in very good condition that you've replaced
with CD, as well as pre-recorded videos on Beta or VHS. In the past,
I've been able to make deals based on the equivalent list/store price
(e.g., 1 CD = 1 movie in Beta format*) to get around what you or I
might have originally paid (as if we can even remember! (-;) **
[At this time, I'm looking for a set of working AA NiCad rechargable
batteries ... if you have some lying around, and they're sound, RSVP!]
So if you're curious, RSVP for my list and if you see anything that
you like, send back a proposal for a record package and a copy of
your ad for the stuff you're selling ... thanks!
gld
* i.e., the imports and out-of-prints are also valued at 1 used CD;
** I once got a 2400 baud external modem for 10 records (list $81);
Anybody got a nice, unused blender for making frozen margaritas? (-;
PS: There have been NO additions since the last posting in February;
the list has only shrunk as I've made a few deals since.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
| 6misc.forsale |
Does anyone know if MSG will televise any of the Binghampton Rangers playoff
games. Even taped replays would be nice?
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r8m19INNeph@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
/>/:/g
j:Maybe they WANTED it to look like murder. He had 50+ days. I think this was
:>coming the whole time. He didn't even put the children in the buried bus or
:>the underground bunker during the CS seige. He put them up into the tower
:>to die.
:
: Is CS gas lighter or heavier than air? Do you know? If the
CS is heavier than air... most chemical weapons are...
--
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James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space
gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Hi!
I have a question which is not directly related to X Screen Saver.
What X Screen Saver does is to blank the screen if it has been idle for
some time. I don't want my screen to go blank but to get locked or call
xlock program.
Is there a parallel call to XSetScreenSaver() which locks my screen
or call my lock program after certain amount of idle time? Or is there a
way to find out how long the server has been idle?
Thanks
-Vadi (vadi@csi.com)
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Why can't the government just be a tennant?
>I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately
>current spending rules don't permit it to be workable.
Actually, that is no longer true. In the last few years Congress has
ammended laws to provide whatever is needed. Note that both Spacehab
and Comet are funded this way.
The problems aren't legal nor technical. The problem is NASA's culture.
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Allen W. Sherzer | "A great man is one who does nothing but leaves |
| aws@iti.org | nothing undone" |
+----------------------71 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:
>Adam Shostack writes:
>> Sam Zbib writes
> >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by
> >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive
> >>state, as a hostile action leading to war.
>> It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an
>> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have
>> 400 000 arab citizens.
>Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of
>Israel right after it was formed.
100% Israeli citizens. The ethnic composition depends on what
you mean by formed. What the UN deeded to Israel? What it won in war?
>> And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile
>> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing
>> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It
>> is not a hostile action leading to war.
>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
>anti-trust in the business world.
Were there anti-trust laws in place in mandatory Palestine?
Since the answer is no, you're argument, while interestingly
constructed, is irrelevant. I will however, respond to a few points
you assert in the course of talking about anti-trust laws.
>They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
And those fleeing Arab lands, where Jews were second class
citizens.
>Plus they paid fair market value, etc...
Jews often paid far more than fair market value for the land
they bought.
>They did not know they were victims of an international conspiracy.
You know, Sam, when people start talking about an
International Jewish conspiracy, its really begins to sound like
anti-Semitic bull.
The reason there is no conspiracy here is quite simple.
Zionists made no bones about what was going on. There were
conferences, publications, etc, all talking about creating a National
home for the Jews.
>>>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it
>>>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid
>>>flowing).
>> Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It
>>still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how
>>is granting citizenship a facade?
>Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic
>within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews).
[...]
>'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the
>arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So
>yes, they're there. But as a community with history and
>roots, its dead.
Because you've never heard of it, its dead? The fact is, you
claimed Israel had to give arabs rights because of (non-existant)
International aid. Then you see that that argument has a hole you
could drive a truck through, and again assert that Israel is only
democratic within the (unexplained) constraints of one ethnic group.
The problem with that argument is that Arabs are allowed to vote for
whoever they please. So, please tell me, Sam, what constraints are
there on Israeli democracy that don't exist in other democratic
states?
I've never heard anything about the Khazakistani arab
population. Does that mean that they have no history or roots? When
I was at Ben Gurion university in Israel, one of my neighbors was an
Israeli arab. He wasn't really all that different from my other
neighbors. Does that make him dead or oppressed?
>I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not
>predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no
>problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were
>predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest
>Palestine?
How recent is recent? I can probably build a case for a
Jewish Gaza city. It would be pretty silly, but I could do it. I'm
arguing not that Jerusalem is Jewish, but that land has no ethnicity.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hello phjm, you wrote:
> Firstly, does Windows 3.1 in 386 enhanced mode do anything special
> with DLLs that have been compiled using the large memory model?
No.
> We are being told that even in 386 enhanced mode Windows
> will load DLLs into *real memory below 640K* and page-lock it.
No.
> My second question relates to static data inside DLLs. Is there
> any way at all to get multiple instances of the static data
> segment (DGROUP?)?
No, but...
You can allocate real static data within code segments!
When you need more dynamic memory you can allocate data on the global heap.
You can forget most of what was written about memory management. Under 3.1
you have paged virtual memory. You can lock every block without hampering
the memory manager. You can use far pointer everytime without always Lock/
Unlocking the memory block.
An besides: DLL's are mostly just disguised EXE's, that happen to be called
by another task.
Karl.
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TEL: +49-5300-6701 FAX: +49-5300-6499 CIS: 100010,204 BIX: geitzkwg
## CrossPoint v2.1 ##
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I am trying to convert an m-motion (IBM) video file format YUV to RGB
data...
THE Y portion is a byte from 0-255
THE V is a byte -127-127
THe color is U and V
and the intensity is Y
DOes anyone have any ideas for algorhtyms or programs ?
Can someone tell me where to get info on the U and V of a television signal ?
IF you need more info reply at the e-mail address...
Basically what I am doing is converting a digital NTSC format to RGB (VGA)
for displaying captured video pictures.
Thanks.
THE U is a byte -127-127
| 1comp.graphics |
OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow:
I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g
ame locally.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Mary Cole
mcole@informix.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I am writing a paper on religion and how it reflects
and or affects modern music. This brief questionaire is summary of
the questions I would like answered. A response is requested and
can be mailed to me directly at:
gtd259a@prism.gatech.edu
*PLEASE MAIL - DO NOT POST*
Thanks in advance,
Matt Kressel
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1.) How do you feel about groups like Diecide, Slayer, and Dio who
freely admit to practicing satanism and preach it in their songs?
2.) How do you feel about groups like Petra, old Stryper, Whitecross,
and Holy Soldier who promote and sing about Cristianity?
3.) How do you feel about groups like Front 242, XTC, Revolting Cocks,
Minor Threat, and Ministry who condone and sing about atheism?
4.) How do you feel about bands like Shelter who preach the Hare
Krishna religion and other minority(but not unheard of) religions?
5.a) Do you feel there is any difference between promoting music that
supports Cristianity and music that condones satanism?
b) Why do you feel this way?
6.) What types of music do you listen to?
7.a) How often do you purchase music?
b) How often does that music contain lyrics with undertones in
religion?
8.a) Do you feel that music one listens to affects the way one views
a particular religion? Religion in general?
b) How does it affect the way you view your religion? All religions?
9.) FEEL FREE TO ADD ANY COMMENTS HERE
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_____________________________________________________________________________
Matthew Owen Kressel(gtd259a@prism.gatech.edu)
"...nothing settles a man's mind more wonderfully than the knowledge that he
will be hanged in the morning." - Arthur C. Clarke
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I ran out of time on my last reply to this string and I don't
know if it was sent or not but. I have never heard of anyone that
had to return something in the 30 grace peried that had a problem
at all with Midwest Micro. They may of thought that you didn't
know what you were doing and suggested how to correct the problem.
But it sounded as you didn't give them much of a chance to correct
things at all. The fact that the PPI worked okay for you is because
it is setup more for the no nothing user that can't understand the
instruction and the commands to configure it to his/her system.
When you find out things like the fact the the EC led that looks like
you have connected to another EC modem, doesn't realy say that.
But that it only tells you that you have EC turned on, on your modem.
I think that these LED are nothing more that just light to hype up
the product. Just like I bet someone took home a few extra $$$
in the last year for giving the PPI modems the PC-Magazine award
of the year. Not so for the stash (12) of them that I saw on my test
bench. I could go on for hours at no end as to all of the problems
that I found with the PPI modems but I will try to control myself.
I will not even go into the 6 weeks it took PPI to credit my card
back for the modems after they had received them back...no I will
not go into that one nor will I go into talking to the parent co.
co from Hayes. I'll just say I hope you like your new modem and
maybe someone that can understand how to setup a modem will get
the one that you sent back, maybe a good friend of mine I hope!
--
Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...
Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1r3inr$lvi@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
(Deletion)
>#>And if a "real large lot" (nice phrase) of people agree that there is a
>#>football on a desk, I'm supposed to see a logical difference between the two?
>#>Perhaps you can explain the difference to me, since you seem to see it
>#>so clearly.
>#>
>#(rest deleted)
>#
>#That's a fallacy, and it is not the first time it is pointed out.
>
>It's not a fallacy - note the IF. IF a supermajority of disinterested people
>agree on a fundamantal value (we're not doing ethics YET Benedikt), then what
>is the difference between that and those people agreeing on a trivial
>observation?
>
The reference to it's not yet being ethics is dubious. You have used the terms
absolute, objective and others interchangeably. Same with moral values, values,
at all, worth, measuers, and usefulness. You infer from them as if they were
the same.
To the IF. When the If is not fulfilled, your intermission is a waste of time.
Assuming that you don't intend this, it is reasonable to conclude that you
want to argue a point.
You have made a interesting statement here, namely that of the disinterested
observer. There is no such thing in morals. Probably the shortest proof for
objective and morality being a contradiction.
>#For one, you have never given a set of morals people agree upon. Unlike
>#a football. Further, you conveniently ignore here that there are
>#many who would not agree on tghe morality of something. The analogy
>#does not hold.
>
>I have, however, given an example of a VALUE people agree on, and explained
>why. People will agree that their freedom is valuable. I have also
>stated that such a value is a necessary condition for doing objective
>ethics - the IF assertion above. And that is what I'm talking about, there
>isn't a point in talking about ethics if this can't be agreed.
>
Fine. And that freedom is valuable is not generally agreed upon. I could
name quite a lot of people who state the opposite. (Not that that wasn't
mentioned before). In other words, you have nothing to fulfill your strong
claims with.
>#One can expect sufficiently many people to agree on its being a football,
>#while YOU have to give the evidence that only vanishing number disagrees
>#with a set of morals YOU have to give.
>
>I'm not doing morals (ethics) if we can't get past values. As I say,
>the only cogent objection to my 'freedom' example is that maybe people
>aren't talking about the same thing when they answer that it is valuable.
>Maybe not, and I want to think about this some, especially the implications
>of its being true.
>
Clutching a straw. I don't believe in mappings into metaphysical sets were
loaded terms are fixpoints. Those who deny the morality of freedom make quite
clear what they say, their practice is telling. Yes, there are even those who
are willingly unfree. It is quite common in religions, by the way. For one,
there is a religion which is named Submission.
Don't even try to argue that submission is freedom.
>#Further, the above is evidence, not proof. Proof would evolve out of testing
>#your theory of absolute morals against competing theories.
>
>Garbage. That's not proof either.
>
If it were so, it would argue my case. But I am afraid that that is considered
proof.
>#The above is one of the arguments you reiterate while you never answer
>#the objections. Evidence that you are a preacher.
>
>Name that fallacy.
There is something universally valued in a moral context.
Benedikt
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1pi8h5INNq40@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> (reference line trimmed)
|>
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> [...]
|>
|> >There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the
|> >assertion that there was some "objective" morality, and as you admit
|> >here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is
|> >"objectively" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself
|> >requires an appeal to morality.
|>
|> Yes.
|>
|> >Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are
|> >asking what is the "goal"? What do you mean by "goal?". Are you
|> >suggesting that there is some "objective" "goal" out there somewhere,
|> >and we form our morals to achieve it?
|>
|> Well, for example, the goal of "natural" morality is the survival and
|> propogation of the species.
I got just this far. What do you mean by "goal"? I hope you
don't mean to imply that evolution has a conscious "goal".
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <4892@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
> I hear the jury reached a verdict.
Where did you hear this? I seem to have missed it.
> Is LA burning yet?
No. Will L.A. burn? No. (Regardless of the verdict.)
> I'm not near a radio.
Count your blessings.
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <93110.11320334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:
> Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork
> to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves
> while watching the TV coverage.
>
> Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.
>
> Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are
> a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.
>
>
>
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:
>In article <C513wI.G5A@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>|> (1) Don't use big capacitors. They are unreliable for timing due to
>|> leakage.
True (especially for electrolytic capacitors at high temperature).
>|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times
>|> or something like that.
>... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a
>mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the
>compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency.
Low power quartz oscillators are usually 32 kHz (and THESE
have significant temperature drifts, which one doesn't often notice
while wearing the watch on one's wrist). Low temperature sensitivity
is available in other crystal types, which unfortunately
are larger and higher frequency (1 MHz or so) and take more
battery power.
Programmable timers might be less accurate, but they
are more power-stingy than suitable crystal oscillators.
John Whitmore
| 12sci.electronics |
I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your
message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my
Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge
drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of
the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;
in fact the only loop that worked was the "Macintosh
Software" loop (whatever that means).
--Mark
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Ever since the siege at Waco started the FBI spokesman has been
stressing how unstable and paranoid David Koresh was. He stressed how
likely it was the the Branch Davidians would commit mass suicide. He
was concerned with the safety of the children.
What did the FBI do to defuse the situation, Did they try to reassure
Koresh? DId the FBI offer medical assistance to the BD? Did the FBI
offer them a supply of water when the BD pump stoped working? Did the
permit Koresh to communicate with anyone outside the compound?
What the FBI did was harass the Branch Davidians as much as possible.
They kept powerful lights shining on the compound, shut off their
electrical power, put their pump out of action, assaulted their ears
with loud noise, cut off their communication with the outside and kept
limiting their permitter. The stated goal was to put pressure on
David Koresh.
Was the FBI attempting to get Koresh to surrender or were they hoping
to get Koresh so mad that he and some of his followers would attack
the the tanks.
It appears that the tactics employed by the FBI did drive Koresh over
the edge. The blame for the deaths should be shared by both the
federal experts whose tactics drove Koresh over the edge and the fools
at the ATF who planed the raid.
Stupidity and incompetence of the BATF and the FBI leadership have
resulted in the needless death of 90 innocent people.
If every thing had gone as planned 90 people would be alive today.
Instead the ATF screwed up and caused the death of 90+. Incompetent
law enforcement can kill you!
--
Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute
Boulder, CO | for brains is silence.
rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short-
satellite N0NZO on ao-16 |
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>I can't help myself.
>I've tried to be rational,
>to look the other way,
>but everytime it happens,
>its uncontrollable.
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
Hah. Newbie bait. Everyone knows the first motorcycle
wasn't built until 1893 - there _were_ no pre-'80's motorcycles!
>At first I thought it was a phase. I though I would
>get used to them. It didn't happen. I tried gazing
>at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
>pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
>(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
>taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).
You've been watching too much Northern Exposure.
>What am I to do? Everytime I read a .sig containing
>some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
>the poor soul has suffered enough.
Why? Because our wheels are repairable?
> I imagine the owner
>scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
>refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.
Humph. Obviously, more bait. Everyone knows you don't discard
Maytag boxes. Even after they've become uninhabitable, they're
make a great poor boy's mechanic's creeper.
CX500? Whazzat?
>I'm hoping for some deliverance.
Okay. Let's hear you squeal like a pig.
> I had in the past loathed
>the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
>some of the preaching. There must be hope.
Beware fanatical preaching, lest the residents of Waco, Texas set up
a huge salad bar in your honor...
--
Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep" Naperville, IL
__ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/ followed by the words "Daddy! Yay!"
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Answers please by e-mail, since not all groups in the header are carried here.
Hi!
Personally, I like NeXTSTEP very much. Even more when I realise how much a
burden ordinary X or Windows programming is. I also like Objective-C better
than I like C++.
But, sometimes the restrictions are there. For instance it sometimes has to be
MS-Windows or X. Now I'm looking for pointers to tools on those environments
that come close to NeXTSTEP, the appkit etc. Also, environs that support rapid
prototyping (like with IB) without producing spaghetti-code as soon as you want
to do real work.
Maybe STEPSTONE with some Windows version of a kit of UI objects? Interviews
(what it is exactly, I don't know. I kind of lost touch with that world when I
started with NeXTSTEP.)
Thanks,
--
Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539
"If you don't know where you are going, any road will
take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in
Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <C63nA8.4C1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) writes:
>I was suggesting that the minority of professional and amateur astronomers
>have the right to a dark, uncluttered night sky.
And from whence does this right stem, that it overrides the 'rights'
of the rest of us?
>Let me give you an example. When you watch TV, they have commercials to pay
>for the programming. You accept that as part of watching. If you don't like
>it, you can turn it off. If you want to view the night sky, and there is a
>floating billboard out there, you can't turn it off. It's the same
>reasoning that limits billboards in scenic areas.
And if you want to view that television station, you have to watch the
commercials. You can't turn them off and still be viewing the
television station. In other words, if you don't like what you see,
don't look. There is no 'right' I can think of that you have to force
other people to conform to your idea of aesthetic behaviour. What's
next, laws regulating how people must dress and look so as to appeal
to your fashion sense, since you have this 'right' of an aesthetic
view?
> Pat writes:
>George.
> It's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry.
>If ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include
>a constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government
>here is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental
>civil rights.
>I say:
> Any reasonably in-depth perusal of American history will show
> you that many WASPs have continued the practices of prejudice,
> discrimination, and violence against others of different
> races, religions, and beliefs, despite the law.
Which has what to do with the topic of discussion?
>Pat says:
>If you really are annoyed, get some legislation
>to create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected
>in the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you
>know about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia,
>they have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent
>you from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums.
>In practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users.
>I say:
>What I'm objecting to here is a floating billboard that, presumably,
>would move around in the sky. I, for one, am against legislating
>at all. I just wish that people had a bit of common courtesy, and
>would consider how their greed for money impacts the more ethereal and
>aesthetic values that make us human. This includes the need for wild
>and unspoiled things, including the night sky.
Oh, I see. You don't want any legislation that might impinge on you;
you just want everyone else on the planet to do what you want.
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| 14sci.space |
Ok, so if everyone is cheating.. is there any tests that run some
macro (to load a huge drawing, etc...) on the SAME machine that might
then tell us what the REAL world results are?
I mean, run the tests on the same machine with different video cards
running word, excel, or something like that to see how fast the cards are?
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of
2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet
Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion
of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical
documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs,
was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors,
program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and
radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide
of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people
of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the
lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is
mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their
lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations
may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and
prosperously.
------------------------- letter ----------------------------------
During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which
not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the
method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day,
Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order
to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland,
which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia
continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:
1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.
2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish
Genocide.
3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to
silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.
4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.
Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.
Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its
terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks
to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically
exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on
this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of
governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition
of the Turkish Genocide.
With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial
demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people
will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims
of the Turkish Genocide demand:
1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian
Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;
2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and
Kurdish people;
3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for
their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;
4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially
recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse
to succumb to all Armenian political pressure;
5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it
has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially
recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be
supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands;
6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact
of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of
2.5 million Muslim people in their history books.
The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the
efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first
genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new
generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically
mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through
all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the
armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon
all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in
the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary
of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes:
|> I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs.
|> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in
|> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm
|> not allergic to anything that I know of.
The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so
greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some
claim their heart "skipped" beats once in a while. Some reacted with
headache, some stomach ache. Some had watery eyes or running nose, some
had itchy skin or rashes. More serious accusations include respiration
difficulty and brain damage.
Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one
suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But
if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it.
Jason Chen
| 13sci.med |
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
>
>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
>
>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
>of ours.
>
>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
>to death 51 days later.
>
Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag?
Al
[standard disclaimer]
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr5.024626.19942@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>
>Peace,
Bobby:
Get this the hell out of your .sig until you 1) learn what it
stands for and 2) really mean it.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| 0alt.atheism |
A simple question to all the Xperts:
Is it possible to use several X-Terminals
with only one mouse and one keyboard?
Any suggestions?
Thanks, rainer.
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ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387
Penzingerstr. 76 |
A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at
| 5comp.windows.x |
Greetings!
Steve Summers and the Chief were on 48 Hours last night shmoozing
sports. I unfortunately missed it. Those of you who saw it, can
you please provide a synopsis.
Thanx.
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McGill University
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I am having trouble with SCSI on a Mac IIfx. The machine is 3 years old
and I have been using the same hard drive (internal Maxtor LXT-200S) for
two and a half years. The disk recently crashed. I reformatted (Silverlining
5.42), but during the reformat I received random write errors during testing.
The error message reported was like:
Sector 0: Write error detected after testing good - sector not mapped out.
This occurred randomly all over the hard disk (which makes me suspect the
diagnostic's reference to Sector 0 ??? ). On the third reformat and after
reinstalling the SCSI read/write loops I was able to get through passes
2,3, and 4 with no errors. (Pass 1 for some reason reported a lot of errors,
but still mapped out no sectors.) I decided to go ahead and try to resinstall
System 7 and reload my data from a backup. This proceded normally; however,
I now have sub-optimal performance. Symptoms include:
o Frequent crashes
o Instances of extremely sluggish disk access requiring a reboot to
correct.
o Instances of not finding the disk on the SCSI chain on reboot.
- If I boot from Norton Utl. after this occurs, it cannot find the
disk either.
- The only thing that fixes this is recycling the power. It sometimes
requires several attempts.
QUESTIONS:
1) Has anyone had this type of problem before?
2) Is the problem with the fx motherboard (And its non-standard
SCSI implementation) or with my Maxtor Disk? Is there some
diagnostic software that would help me make this determination?
3) Is it a termination problem? I currently have external Syquest
and an external DataFrame XP60 on the chain. The XP60 is at the
end, and has internal termination; so I am not using the IIfx
terminator. I do have the SCSI filter installed on the internal
drive. I have run with this exact steup for 2 1/2 years with
one previous disk crash requiring a reformat (about a year ago).
I also have symptoms if I disconnect the external devices;
so I don't see how SCSI termination would now be an issue. Of
course who knows :-<
Help would be much appreciated.
Forrest E. Lumpkin III
NASA Ames Research Center
lumpkin@corvus.arc.nasa.gov
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
ANNOUNCEMENT: The "HyperKnowledge" PROJECT for NeXTSTEP
Motivation
We are a heterogeneous group of scientists and students who feel that our
work is continuously hindered by computer environments dominated by
incompatible scientific tools and monstrous software packages (too often
claiming to do everything). Rather than being able to use different tools
together in a flexible, interactive system, we find ourselves spending too
much time converting between different data formats, writing throw-away
tools and I/O parsers, and worrying about how to get to a particular goal
rather than what it means to have attained it.
What we need is an object-oriented scientific environment where the tools
we choose to use are integrated without being parts of a closed system,
highly interactive, and extendable (both by the addition of our own
specialized objects and by combining the available tools - graphically).
The use of such an environment should be a natural extension of our work,
requiring a very short learning phase and practically no
user-documentation. The user should feel encouraged to explore different
possibilities, testing his/her own scientific ideas without worrying too
much about whether the system is able to cope (within reason, of course).
By building an open and object-oriented system, each user should be able
to draw upon and combine those tools necessary or conducive to a
particular task: we all need to organize and archive our data, display
results, and combine information from many different sources.
Currently, the group consists of people from very different fields:
Molecular Biology, Computer Science, Physics and Astronomy, and Geography.
While many of our needs for such an environment diverge, the underlying
motivation is the same: no matter what you want to call it, we need a
system which helps rather than hinders the organization of our scientific
data and daily work.
Why NeXTSTEP?
What else is there? No other system offers the same power, a totally
object-oriented developers environment, UNIX-compatibility,
highly-interactive and standardized user-interface. With the advent of
NS486 and the expectation that NeXTSTEP will soon appear on a broad range
of hardware platforms, such a system will soon be nearly universally
available. Classical workstation vendors (SUN, IBM, HP, and the rest) now
have little to offer, no similar tools exist for the standard X-Windows
GUI, if Apple had a system it would only run on their hardware, and the
mass-market Windows/DOS world is a developer's nightmare (either despite,
or more probably because of, OLE).
In order to progress, we need an open discussion of how best to develop
such an environment. In NeXTSTEP parlance, do we simply have to put
together a set of scientific protocols and a common API for our
"Hyper-knowledge" servers? Should be use distributed objects? What
minimum set of tools do we need in order to start working with the
environment? What tool-needs do we all have in common and which ones are
best developed by specialized sub-groups? How many already existing tools
can/should be integrated into the system (e.g. Mathematica)? Do we need
an "AVS"-like tool for data-flow manipulation?
Mailing list and Anonymous ftp
In order to take part to the project or to push the discussion forewords,
you are invited to subscribe to: sci-tools@embl-heidelberg.de
All (interesting) suggestions, projects and sources will be archive and
soon available (anonymous ftp).
For questions send mail to sci-tools-help@embl-heidelberg.de
Acknowledgments
The European Molecular Biology Laboratory (Heidelberg, Germany) has
consented to provide the computer resources for a mailing list and
anonymous ftp services.
Rick Hessman <hessman@eden.uni-sw.gwdg.de>
Georg Tuparev <tuparev@embl-heidelberg.de>
| 14sci.space |
I've been following the Giants closely over the off-season -- newspapers,
notesgroup, etc -- but I had my first up close and personal last night at
the Stick.
After watching Giants hitters struggle last year, Barry's swing was
very impressive -- he's very quick and his swing seems effortless, even
compared to Clark (particularly Clark as of late).
It was interesting to see Bonds hit Maddux so well. I'm not sure if
Barry was after revenge against the Braves or what but he stroked
three very pretty hits (1b, 2b, hr) for 5 rbi's.
The Giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in
addition to Bonds. There has been some good pitching and some hitters
seem to be swinging much better. Clayton's defense has been superb.
McGee seems to like leading off this year. Manwaring is driving the ball.
So on & so forth.
I hope it continues...I think they need to continue well into June before
people are really sold that they are for real--particularly the pitching.
For myself, I think the fresh start of Magowan/Baker/etc has really wiped
out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor
in helping them significantly improve over last year.
Joe Loos
loos@cup.hp.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1993Mar31.140529.10843@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Paul Hager"
><hagerp@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>
>> As an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about
>> the ACLU's position on gun-control, I would like to note that my
>> own position has been evolving. But, I'm still not sure how to
>> answer the question, "does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear
>> device?"
>The second amendment does not prohibit it, but it can probably be argued that
>there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety
>and rights of others, and so might not be permitted on that basis.
The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also
true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different
reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say "neutron
and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay", boys and girls?
aaron
arc@cco.caltech.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I am interested to know if there is know procedure/document to
configure an IBM Musci Feature (IMF) card to work as the sound device
with MS-Windows 3.1. I believe the IMF uses the same FM synth chip as
the Soun Blaster, but didn't know what driver to use or how to
configure the MIDI-mapper.
Any help, past success, suggestions?
Thanks,
Don.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Yesterday, I went to the Boeing shareholders meeting. It was a bit shorter
than I expected. Last year (when the stock was first down), they made a big
presentation on the 777, and other programs. This year, it was much more
bare-bones.
In any case, I wanted to ask a question that the board of directors would
hear, and so I got there early, and figured that If I didn't get to the mike,
maybe they would read mine off of a card, and so I wrote it down, and handed it
in.
After the meeting started, Mr. Shrontz said that he would only answer written
questions, in order to be fair to the people in the overflow room that only
had monitors downstairs. Naturally, I was crushed.
So, when question and answer time came, I was suprised to find my question
being read and answered. Admittedly near the end of the ones that he took.
Presumably getting there early, and getting the question in early made all
the difference.
So, on to the substance. The question was
Is Boeing looking at anything BEYOND the high speed Civil Transport, such
as a commercial space launch system, and if not, how will Boeing compete
with the reusable single stage to orbit technology presently being developed
by Mcdonnell Douglass?
Well, he read it without a hitch, and without editing, with impressed me,
then he answered it very quickly treating it as a two part question, last
part first.
This is to the best of my recollection what he said.
As far as single stage to orbit technology, we think that we have a better
answer in a two stage approach, and we are talking to some of our customers
about that. As far as commercialization, that is a long ways off. The High
speed Civil Transport is about as far out as our commercial planning goes at
this point.
So, this tells me that Boeing still considers space to be a non-commercial
arena, and for the most part this is true, however it also tells me that
they consider there to be enough money in building space launchers for them
to persue work on their own.
Now, I do have a friend on the spacelifter program at boeing. Actually,
this is a mis-nomer, as there is no spacelifter contract for the work that this
guy is doing, however, he is doing work in preparation of a proposal for space
lifter contracts. He won't tell me what he is doing, but maybe this is where
the TSTO action is taking place at boeing. At the very minimum, the chairman
of the board of boeing said that they have an approach in mind, and they are
trying to do something with it.
Anybody know anything further?
Is this really news?
Does this threaten further work on DC-? ?
John.
| 14sci.space |
I'm in need of a videotaped copy of a pc (pd) program. Please let me know if
you can do this.
Marc
DNA@ucs.usl.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk
(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake.
Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ?
Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ?
--
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* baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect
* #include <disclaimer.h> * most fermented !
* How is Frank Zappa doing ?
* May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !!
| 14sci.space |
I am selling my Global Village Teleport 2400 bps modem w/send fax. It
connects to the mac through the ADB port. The software for sending
faxes is included. I am asking $90. However, I will consider other
reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me.
Dave
Dave Peak
Internet -- dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
AOL -- skibum7
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <sfpzMNz0BwwbMDwhUC@transarc.com> Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com writes:
>martin@world.std.com (Martin J Hannigan) writes:
>> Hello. I am the David Sternlight keeper of the FAQ. Unfortuantely I cannot
>> find it at the present time.
>
>Cool it, will you? Let people form their own opinions.
>Even Mr. Sternlight might be right sometime, and you guys
>are setting things up so that the only way he can regain
>any credibility is to renounce his previous statements and
>move towards the mainstream of net.opinion. This does not
>bespeak tolerance, IMO.
>
>> C _) David Sternlight
>> | ,___| Net.Police
>
>Indeed...
>
>Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street
>412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219
Hopefully, he doesnt take it personal...
--
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Mac : IBM PC & Mainframe : UNIX
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi
Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN OPENWINDOWS
enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not find any clues.
Please respons via e-mail.....
Thanks
Paul
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <3160.180.uupcb@hal9k.com> scott.lynn@hal9k.com (Scott Lynn) writes:
> Well, I do alot of graphic design work, and I am remaining
>loyal to Dos/Windows instead of Macs. My college isn't, though, and
>I can only scan images on Macintosh. Does anyone know of a program
>that can read Mac disks. The "Apple File Exchange" on the Nac that
>writes to DOS disks probably leaves me visibly older during every
>session. I want to do the transfer in Windows instead.
>
> I would appreciate any info. I want a windows program, but
>I will gleefully settle for DOS.
>
A program called Mac-ette allows you to read Mac 3.5"
high-density disks on a DOS machine. You can get the program from
simtel-20. I'm not sure of the directory location.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr14.190210.8996@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> |The rider (pilot?)
>
> I'm happy I've had such an effect on your choice of words, Seth.. :-)
:-)
T'was a time when I could get a respectable response with a posting like that.
Randy's post doesn't count 'cause he saw the dearth of responses and didn't
want me to feel ignored (thanks Randy!).
I was curious about this DoD thing. How do I get a number? (:-{)}
- Roid
| 8rec.motorcycles |
One of our ASU students needs data and or a copy or an article regarding
accidents, injury or death to "children" (articles which state the age
limits of "children") relating to firearms for a sociology report.
We have a copy of the long Edgar A. Suter, M.D. article and but we can't find
the Paul Blackman (NRA) "expose'".
Any articles (or sections thereof) which deal with comparisons over time,
locations, age groups, other reasons for accidents, injury or death, with
percentages would be welcome.
Please send same to our I.D. and node.
Thanks in advance !
-Tom Crise
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Brian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote:
:
: Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that
: the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact
: the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes?
:
: Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very
: cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing
: on my own personal day-to-day life?
Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the
events surrounding Jesus' life?
2Pe 1 16 ¶ We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you
about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were
eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the
voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom
I love; with him I am well pleased."¹
2Pe 1 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we
were with him on the sacred mountain.
2Pe 1 19 ¶ And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and
you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark
place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
This is a documented testimony. Perhaps further research on your part is
warranted before making more statements. There is considerably more to study
in Peters' two books of testimony regarding the Messiah. It is well worth
your time, Mr. Brian.
Jim Burrill
| 19talk.religion.misc |
CNN just reported the ATF and the FBI have begun killing everyone in the
United States. A press release stated this action was required because
bugs had revealed that many people were doing something illegal in their
homes, and statistical data indicated that those who weren't might someday
do something illegal. An ATF spokesperson, just before he shot himself, stated
that "this would clean up things once and for all".
If the citizens can be gathered into groups of more than 100, the FBI has
indicated they will "burn them, just like we did those kooks in Waco".
It hasn't been decided how the new proposed "energy tax" will enter into
this, an IRS representative stated "We're looking at the tax code to determine
if taxes really end at death. With this many dead Americans, we don't want
to overlook anything". An ATF agent ran into the room, and shot her.
Stay tuned....rich
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem
cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.) What I'm
asking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?) I just want
to solder one myself instead of buying one. I don't even know what port is
used.
Help me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu)
Kevin
p.s. I'm intending to use the cable for PC-to-PC transfers (via Lap-Link or
Telix. Ideas and info gladly accepted.)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C4v9E2.FG@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mdf@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Fox) writes:
>Marc Rieffel (rieffel@cs.swarthmore.edu) wrote:
>: Does anyone know anything about using an HP LaserJet Series 1 as a Mac
>: printer? What kind of cables and drivers are necessary?
>:
>
>I also would like similar information. I have a LaserJet IIp that I
>would like to connect to a MAC. Any help would be appreciated.
>--
>Mike Fox - HP Response Center
> email: mdf@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
Check out PowerPrint from GDT Softworks. Their ads are in MacWEEK and
MacUser and Macworld. I did a review of PowerPrint/LT in a recent
issue of MacWEEK.
They are very good products, and GDT's tech support is also excellent.
jas
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I just started reading this newsgroup and haven't been following the
thread. I'm just curious: How did this thread get started with
"Albert Sabin" and changed into something else? What was it about
Sabin that initiated a religious discussion?
Colin
| 0alt.atheism |
jgreen@amber (Joe Green) writes:
>> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip?
>Do you have Weitek's address/phone number? I'd like to get some information
>about this chip.
Yes, I am very interested in this chip. Please follow up or email.
--
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Cavalier Graphics
Houston, Texas
Email: cavalier@blkbox.com
| 1comp.graphics |
The XDM on Solaris 2.1 *WAS* broke. Since two weeks, Sun distributes
a patched release, which works fine (supports /etc/shadow and all).
We have it up and running ever since and have not experienced any
problems. Call your local Sun rep.
Dick.
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <C5r25y.HFz@cs.columbia.edu> Ethan Solomita writes:
>
> Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager
> place the window where the create window command tells it,
> regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has
> reason to know better)
>
> I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do
> want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just
> want the wm to accept my choice of location.
window = XCreateWindow(...);
XSetTransientForHint(display, window, window);
XMapWindow(...);
This is probably cheating, and some window managers might STILL refuse to
give it a border and all that other stuff, but it usually works.
| 5comp.windows.x |
R.G. Keen (rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com) wrote:
: A quick and dirty way to get higher current carrying capacity
: on PC board traces for one- or few-of-a-kind boards is to
: strip some #14 Romex house wiring cable to bare copper, form
: the bare copper to follow the trace, and solder it down.
And if it's not quick and dirty, you can get bus bars that
are stamped out with leads that insert in the PC board.
Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr14.165617.3215@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> In article <1993Apr13.144030.28994@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>
> >So Roussel was giving up almost another goal a game while facing a proportional
> >number of shots for the number of minutes he played, and while I have't
> >actually checked I believe that he faced a lower quality of opponent.
>
> Make that less than half a goal a game. The lower quality of opponet
> argument is immaterial as neither Roussel nor Soderstrom had any say in
> the matter. That was Dineen's decision.
So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out
the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on,
Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant.
Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams
is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two
goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good
teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context
of comparing two goaltenders.
> > The fact of the matter is that, despite last nights shutout, he doesn't
> > have what it takes. Last night was due to an inept Ranger team much more
> > than Roussel's skill. A 3 on 1 and they don't get a shot away? A 2 on none
> > and one guy just passes and stops, the other guy shoots into Roussel's pad?
>
> C'mon, Pete? So the Rangers were inept. A shutout is a shutout. During
> both of Soderstrom's masterpieces against Toronto, Mike Emerich was quoted
> as saying he didn't think the Leafs had much offensive firepower past their
> first line. Does that make Soderstrom's shutouts less impressive because of
> Toronto's lack of offense?
YES IT DOES! Absolutely. **In the context of comparing two goaltenders**.
Of course, at the end of the season 2 points is 2 points no matter how you
get them. And on the score sheets shutouts are shutouts. But if you're a
coach deciding between two goalies, or a GM looking to make a trade, you
have got to look deeper than the stat sheets. I didn't see the second Toronto
game, but the first one was a defensive masterpiece. There was nothing in
that game to judge Tommy Soderstrom on because he wasn't tested. The same
for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a
great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If
you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by.
But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie
stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel
doesn't have a game like that in him.
> Well if you look back to November when Roussel was the #1 goalie (Soderstrom
> was being treated for his heart ailment). The Flyers finished November at
> 6-3-1 and were 9-10-4 overall. And there's no way of knowing where the Flyers
> would have finished if Soderstom wasn't wearing the oragne 'n black. I'm glad
> we don't have to find out anytime soon either because he is one hell of a
> player. I would take him over Roussel right now, but I still think Dom has
> what it takes to be the #1 guy. He outperformed Hextall enough during the
> '91-92 season to make Flyers management think that way too.
Don't be so sure of that. FLYERS management never says bad thing about
Roussel, but they don't say too much on the good side either. I've seen
at least two interviews where every time Farwell was asked how happy he was
to have two good goaltenders, it was Tommy this, Tommy that, and oh, yeah,
Dom has played well too.
> By the way, what was the final card on Monday night? Team picture by any
> chance?
FLYERS in the NHL Hall of Fame. Kinda dull, really. They handed out a
team picture to everybody who walked in from Pizza Hut, but it was the
same picture they sold in the programs in mid-season. Had names like Benning,
Kasper...
> And how did the Flyers choose the fans who received "the shirts off our
> backs?" Winning Recchi's jersey after breaking the club's single season
> point record would have been nice. But knowing your luck you would have
> won Roussel's:-)!
Mostly random seat locations, some were given out by having certain
autographs on the team photos. I don't like that method since I've seen
guards help out people get things like Lindros pictures, surely if they
got their hands on an autographed picture they'd hold 'em for their buddies.
pete clark
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1qjipo$pen@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|> In article <1qinmd$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> #|>
|> #|> At any rate, even if your interpretation is correct this does
|> #|> not imply that the killings are religously motivated, which was
|> #|> the original poster's seeming claim.
|> #
|> #Tricky, tricky. I'm replying to your blanket claim that they
|> #are *not* religiously motivated.
|>
|> They aren't. Irish catholics in the south do not kill Irish protestants
|> in the south, yet have precisely the same history behind them. Those
|> who think the killings are religously motivated ignore the rather
|> obvious matter of British occupation, partition and misguided patriotism
|> on both sides.
False dichotomy. You claimed the killing were *not* religiously
motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that
each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out
in detail.
|>
|> The problems fault along the religious divide because at the historical
|> roots of this thing we have a catholic country partitioned and populated
|> by a protestant one. The grotesque killing of soldiers and
|> civilians is supposedly motivated by patriotism, civil rights issues, and
|> revenge. It's only difficult to understand insofaras insanity is hard
|> to understand - religion need not be invoked to explain it.
Does anyone else see the contradiction in this paragraph?
|> #But to claim that "The killings in N.I are not religously
|> #motivated." is grotesque. All that means is that the Church
|> #and believers are doing what they always do with history
|> #they can't face: they rewrite it.
|>
|> You're attacking a different claim. My claim is that when an IRA
|> terrorist plants a bomb in Warrington s/he does not have as a motive
|> the greater glory of God.
Sorry, Frank, but what I put in quotes is your own words from your
posting <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>. Don't tell us now that
it's a different claim. If you can no longer stand behind your
original claim, just say so.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
> In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
>
>>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
>
>>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
>
> Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range...
>
>
> ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
> Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
> of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie
> of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
>
> Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II |
> | |
> | I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat, |
> | like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something. |
> | -- Brian W Simmons |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Persons interested in the tongues question are are invited to
peruse an essay of mine, obtainable by sending the message
GET TONGUES NOTRANS
to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to
LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
From article <C5wDMK.Jrn@hawk.cs.ukans.edu>, by 3s737abg@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Unknown Class User):
>
> I think the subject title says it all. Anybody that relies on a SCSI dick
> for stoarage is a pain in the ass!!
>
>
Saying things like that incline one to believe that you can't get it (SCSI)
to work for your setup (too bad). I've daisy-chained 4 SCSI devices off my
mac without a problem (limit is 7 SCSI devices in the daisy-chain). If it
isn't working for you, it's really better to state the problem (unless all
you really intend to do is try to get nasty e-mail, in that case perhaps you
would be better off posting to alt.masochistic type of newsgroup).
/`-_ callan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
{ }/ Joel E Callan Hey, why do you think I have the answer?
\ ./ 2909 N. 44th Street May you sit on the tack of success
|___| Milwaukee, WI 53210 and rise to the occasion!
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{ }/ Joel E Callan Hey, why do you think I have the answer?
\ ./ 2909 N. 44th Street May you sit on the tack of success
|___| Milwaukee, WI 53210 and rise to the occasion!
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <16BB8B194.R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.134330.9761@rti.rti.org>
>jbs@rti.rti.org writes:
>
>>
>>In article <16BB7BA6A.R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>>>...Gun buyback programs will hopefully
>>>have an impact on accidental shootings (especially youths), domestic
>>>disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger, and
>>>maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street-level
>>>crime.
>>
>>What gives you the idea that gun "buyback" programs will have an impact on
>>any of these things? Evidence, please?
>>
>> Please don't misinterret what I was saying Joe. I was making the point tha
>there is NO evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if
>there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types
>of common incidents.
Saying "hopefully the effect of policy X will be Y" is *much* different
from saying "hopefully if there is any effect of policy X it will be Y."
Here you've made both statements.
If the former describes a reasonably-likely outcome of policy X, then
perhaps policy X is worthy of consideration - but the latter statement
is not something to base policy decisions on!
> Firearms are the fifth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children
>ages 14 and under.
According to groups like the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (formerly
the National Coalition to Ban Handguns - interesting name change, don't you
think?) who include murder and suicide by firearms in the "leading causes of
unintentional death) figures but *don't* include murder and suicide by other
means as causes of unintentional death. Can't you see past the bullshit?
> I don't understand how the ratio to other accidental
>deaths is important. So guns don't kill as many children as car accidents.
>What is the difference in severity between 1,000 deaths and 10,000 deaths?
>I am not trying to use accidental gun-related deaths among children as a
>justification for gun control. Who needs to be convinced that accidental
>gun deaths of children is a serious problem? I assumed that any humane
>person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents
>gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends.
Certainly accidental deaths by any cause are serious things - but the
anti-gun groups insist over and over again that accidental death by
firearms is a *stastically serious problem*, and even if you don't use
these deaths as a justification for gun control, these groups do. I'm
sorry if I jumped to conclusions about your reason for mentioning
accidental deaths due to firearms being something that warranted concern,
but in light of your statement that you are a staunch supporter of gun
control measures, I think the conclusion was a reasonable one.
The fact remains that tragic though individual accidental gun deaths may
be, they are *not* a serious problem statistically speaking.
>>Please explain why you think "symbolic offerings" do good.
>>
> My point was, gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police
>departments MIGHT (I stress might) do a LITTLE (I stress little) good by
>giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond
>to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way. Overall, I thought that I
>had made it clear that I did not think that gun buyback programs were
>useful.
Sorry if it wasn't clear to me. I thought you were waffling on your view
of buyback programs with the talk of symbolic offerings and hopefully
preventing accidents and heat-of-passion shootings. I have to disagree on
all these counts; I can't understand how a buying guns from people who
aren't intending to misuse them (obviously those who want to use guns to
commit crimes aren't going to turn them in) could be construed as a
positive way for police to respond to "interpersonal violence."
>>I suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these "statistics" - I
>>suspect you'll find if you look carefully that 135,000 is the number of
>>students *estimated* to have carried *a weapon* (not necessarily a gun)
>>to school at least once in the past year, and not the number of students
>>who carry a gun to school daily.
>>
> Well Joe, I suggest that you talk to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence
What, the people who publish figures saying that as many children commit
suicide by HANDGUNS ALONE each year as the FBI says commit suicide by ALL
METHODS per year? Who do you think I should believe? The people who call
everyone up to age 24 "children" when they're screaming about the "carnage
of our nation's children" being caused by handguns?
>or the Centers for Disease Control.
Ah, yes, the agency that considers accidental shootings of children to be
such a statistical problem that a stated objective in the Healthy People
2000 document is to "enact laws in 50 states requiring manufacturers of
handguns to make the handguns more difficult to fire, minimizing the
likelihood of accidental or intentional dscharge by children?" The
agency that funded the "study" of DC which pronounced that the DC gun ban
had saved X lives (yes, they actually gave us a number) on the basis of
a look at the *number* of shootings rather than the *rate* of shootings?
It wasn't their fault that the population of DC dropped in their "post law"
period...
> If YOU look carefully you will see
>that YOU greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths.
>The CPHV reports that 135,000 youth bring GUNS to school DAILY and that
>400,000 bring GUNS to school at least once a year. The CDC estimates
>that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once
>in 1990.
Okay, I'll concede I no longer have the numbers I once read on these. I'll
retract my dispute of your numbers. However, I would be greatly interested
in seeing how CPHV and CDC came up with these numbers.
> The CDC also says that 1.2 million elementary-aged, latch-key
>children (kids who come home from school to an empty house), have access
>to guns in their home.
What's this got to do with anything? Hell, when *I* was in elementary
school I came home to an empty house with guns in it. Why is this a
problem? I didn't touch the guns - I had been taught not to. I had also
been taught not to mess with the gasoline in the garage, the fuse box, the
car, the knives, the oven, and the tools. The problem is not the guns,
it's the parents!!!
> California schools reported a 200% increase in
>student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990, and a 40% increase between
>1988 and 1990. Florida reported a 61% percent increase in gun incidents in
>schools between 1986/87 amd 1987/88. These are the "statistics".
And what are these states doing with the kids they find with guns?
NOTHING. No criminal prosecution, no expulsion, in most cases not even
suspension. They take the gun, slap the kids on the wrist, say "ain't it
awful," and go on as if everything's back to normal. What's wrong with
this picture?
> Okay, maybe I worded it wrong...DAD. I meant that to put children in a
>situation (fortified compound) where harm could come to them is not the
>act of a Messiah in my opinion. I'm not saying that Koresh had control over
>these children directly, but I would hope that whatever Messiah there is
>would not let innocent children die.
I don't think Koresh was the Messiah, either... but isn't it obvious that
if he believed the forces of evil were come to destroy him, then he
believed the children were much safer inside the compound? I didn't say
he was sane... just that he behaved in a pretty rational manner given what
he thought was going on. He thought he had them in the one place where
harm *wouldn't* come to them.
>If as he claimed he was the Messiah and people followed him as such, why
>did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them
>burn alive?
Let's see *you* try to find the exits, unbarricade them, and flee a fire
when you've been kept awake for most of 50 days by loudspeakers and subjected
to six hours of tanks knocking in your walls and tear gas assault.
-joe
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Well, here it is, NHL in the year 2000.
I got these from a very reliable source in a dream some years ago and
although I initially thought I had just been taking too many too strong
drugs now it seems the realization has really begun... You can see the
league has already started to move to this direction.
*The Walt Disney Conference*
Anaheim Mighty Chipmunks -Franchise name to be changed after each new
LA Kings hockey movie
LA Flames -We've seen some of that
San Jose Sharks
San Diego Bruins
Tijuana Red Wings -Detroit's hockey team will follow its car industry...
Dallas Stars
Houston Oilers
Texas Rangers
Seattle Canucks
*The Norm Green Conference*
Alabama White Hawks
Biloxi Blues
Tampa Bay Lightning
Miami Blades
Helsinki Jets -You've heard them starting getting used to the anthem
Montreal Quebecois (sp?) -There will be no 'Canada'
Atlanta Devils
Orlando Penquins
Key West Islanders
Hartford Whalers The Whalers will never move, huh?
Palm Beach Capitals
Now that the Anahaim team is becomming real I'm really beginning to believe
the rest of the 'message'. I'm sure the future will turn you into believers
too. After 2000 the NHL will abandond ice-rinks. It's so expensive to cool
down the rinks in the subtropics and the locals hardly know what ice is
anyway. NHL will become a roller skating hockey league. That way it can
create more public interest in the game when local supporteres can play the
game in their back yards !
I hope I'm just out of my mind.
There won't REALLY be a Disney team in Anaheim, will there?
The Stars aren't REALLY moving...
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Hi all,
has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory,
after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ?
Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded
functions.
For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions:
void same_name ( void )
void same_name ( int )
After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the
adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined
function pointer.
Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ?
thanx
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <RMUGELE.93Apr15135857@oasun1.oracle.com> Robert Mugele,
rmugele@oracle.com writes:
>Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun
>and blow you away.
Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would
be lower than some other vehicles. At least, I would be more likely
to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup
truck, for example.
- Mark
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Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Since I have seen various different numbers to dial to get your number read
back to you by the phone company, could someonepost a list or point me to a
book where I could get a list of all the different numbers for the U.S.?
Failing that, could someone tell me Ohio's?
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| 12sci.electronics |
Hi !!!
Is there somebody using a 56001 DSP from Motorola ???
I am searching for programms concerning audio effects.
I built a 4 channel mixer (4ADC + 1DSP) for audio signals.
I built some digital filters and echos, but now i want to
include some effects like HARMONIC Equalizer or chorus.
The problem is, I dont know how these effects work (so I cant
write a programm).
So if someone has programms or just knows how such effects work,
please contact me in the newsgroup or via e-mail.
(Also if there are books about this problem)
Thanks in advance
(DWO)
| 12sci.electronics |
Someone asked about the rosters for the college hockey senior all-star
shrine game held in Orono, Maine earlier this month:
WEST
Derek Plante MINN-DULUTH (west MVP of the game)
Greg Johnson N DAKOTA
Bryan Smolinski MICH ST
Fred Knipscheer ST CLOUD STATE
Chris Campbell WISCONSIN-SUPERIOR
Glenn Lang UW-SUPERIOR
Chris Bergeron MIAMI
Joe Cook MIAMI
Jamie Erb BEMIDIJI
Brett Harkins BOWLING GREEN
David Roberts MICHIGAN
Todd Trettier UW-STEVENS POINT
John Young MICH TECH
Brett Hauer MINN-DULUTH
Pat Neaton MICHIGAN
Barry Richter WISCONSIN
Mike Smith LSSU
Chris Valicevic ST MARY'S
Shaun Gravistin AK-ANCHORAGE (goalie)
Tom Newman MINNESOTA "
Bryan Schoen DENVER "
Ron Mason MICH ST (coach)
Steve Nelson UW-SUPERIOR "
Jim Knapp MINN-DULUTH "
EAST
Jack Duffy YALE
Chris Foy N'EASTERN
Scott Meehan MASS-LOWELL
Aaron Miller VERMONT
Kevin O'SUllivan BU
Chris Potter CONNECTICUT
Ray Alcindor MIDDLEBURY
Greg Carvel ST LAWRENCE
Bob Cowan PROVIDENCE
Steve Dubinksy CLARKSON
Dan Gravelle MERRIMACK
Ryan Hughes CORNELL
Mark Kauffman YALE
Matt Mallgrave HARVARD
Chris McGee BABSON
Scott McNair RIT
Jim Montgomery MAINE
David Sacco BU
Chris Rogles CLARKSON (goalie) (East's MVP of the game)
Garth Snow MAINE "
Grant Wood HAMILTON "
Brian Durocher BROWN (coach)
Shawn Walsh MAINE "
Bruce Marshalll CONNECTICUT "
These are the original rosters. There may have been a few changes
for the actual game (guys not being able to participate or whatever).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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After a tip from Gary Crum (crum@fcom.cc.utah.edu) I got on the Phone
with "Pontiac Systems" or "Pontaic Customer Service" or whatever, and
inquired about a rumoured Production Hold on the Formula Firebird and
Trans Am. BTW, Talking with the dealer I bought the car from got me
nowhere. After being routed to a "Firebird Specialist", I was able
to confirm that this is in fact the case.
At first, there was some problem with the 3:23 performance axle ratio.
She wouldn't go into any details, so I don't know if there were some
shipped that had problems, or if production was held up because they
simply didn't have the proper parts from the supplier. As I say, she
was pretty vague on that, so if anyone else knows anything about this,
feel free to respond. Supposedly, this problem is now solved.
Second, there is a definate shortage of parts that is somehow related
to the six-speed Manual transmission. So as of this posting, there is
a production hold on these cars. She claimed part of the delay was
not wanting to use inferior quality parts for the car, and therefore
having to wait for the right high quality parts... I'm not positive
that this applies to the Camaro as well, but I'm guessing it would.
Can anyone else shed some light on this?
Chris S.
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| 7rec.autos |
I have seen the existance of electronics solder with a 2% silver
content that seems to have good wetting and fatique reatings.
Can anyone tell me why it is not used? (silver is not such an expensive
metal).
Andy
_____________________________________________________________________
Anwar Y. Shiekh | I do not feel obliged to believe that the
International Centre for | same God who has endowed us with sense,
Theoretical Physics | reason, and intellect has intended us to
Trieste, Italy | forgo their use.
(shiekh@itsictp.bitnet) | -- Galileo Galilei
_____________________________________________________________________
| 12sci.electronics |
Hi,
Is anyone into medical imaging? I have a good ray tracing background,
and I'm interested in that field. Could you point me to some sources? Or
better yet, if you have any experience, do you want to talk about what's
going on or what you're working on?
Thanks,
Jason Freund
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:
>My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York
>City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks
>really sharp.
Doesn't it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter's Mask?
The back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It
also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from
the Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if
it is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali?
> Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
> "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
John
"The official Language of Golf is Profanity"
In Hockey Hell...............jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu............John R. Wodziak
The REAL Black and Gold |In Memorium: #7 Alan Kulwicki 1954-1993 | Bean
Will Triumph over those who |A Polish Yankee Mechanical Engineer, | Town
are Pretenders to the Crown.|1992 Winston Cup Champion & a great Person| ROCKS!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993May12.170631.18675@qdeck.com> support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes:
>May I humbly suggest DESQview/X? (Of course, I'm biased...)
I have a weird, oddball, one of a kind video card. It's an
Orchid Fahrenheit. I get to run it in 640x480 with DVX. At
least I don't have to worry about straining my eyes with that
Super VGA stuff.
| 5comp.windows.x |
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone,
able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in
the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the
truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the
devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
IITimothy 2:24-26
| 15soc.religion.christian |
THere is a defect in the 13" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and
they will replace the flyback for free, I think.
I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing
them for free.
________________
- / o r r
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Sheila Patterson writes:
>
>I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like
>Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and
>other christians. ...
I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus
driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those
were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side).
Jeff Johnson
jcj@tellabs.com
| 15soc.religion.christian |
victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes:
>Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan?
>
>All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at
>drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's
>orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info.
>Does anyone know anything more specific?
>(Yes, this happened LONG before Star Trek and is apparently where they
>got the reference for the "guy with the ears".)
Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact.
Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation
of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But
Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis
of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.
-Mike
| 14sci.space |
I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my
wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few
years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's
driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is
that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how to
do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we
present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers.
Lately, I think the proportion of participation has fallen, and the proportion
of sitting there and watching, or listening, or generally being told what to do
(which is necessary because no one knows what's happening next) is growing.
Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually
on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking
the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say
"Crucify him" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it
again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were "invited" to sit
during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian "invitation",
I was really saddened to have my (and our) little role taken away. This seems
typical of a shift of participation away from the people, and toward the
musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the
liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be
explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just
sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about
to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay
"experts", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a
bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of
bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for
people to be aware of the Lord's presence.
So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass
going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or
Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware
of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should
just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational
participation in Catholic Masses lately?
John Murray
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <30151@ursa.bear.com>, halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
|> In article <C5snCL.J8o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
|>
|> >Evolution, as I have said before, is theory _and_ fact. It is exactly
|> >the same amount of each as the existence of atoms and the existence of
|> >gravity. If you accept the existence of atoms and gravity as fact,
|> >then you should also accept the existence of evolution as fact.
|> >
|> >--
|> >--Andy
|>
|> I don't accept atoms or gravity as fact either. They are extremely useful
|> mathematical models to describe physical observations we can make.
|> Other posters have aptly explained the atomic model. Gravity, too, is
|> very much a theory; no gravity waves have even been detected, but we
|> have a very useful model that describes much of the behavior on
|> objects by this thing we _call_ gravity. Gravity, however, is _not_
|> a fact. It is a theoretical model used to talk about how objects
|> behave in our physical environment. Newton thought gravity was a
|> simple vector force; Einstein a wave. Both are very useful models that
|> have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you
|> want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly
|> the way the theory now formulated talks about it. That takes a great
|> leap of faith, which, of course, is what religion takes. Evolution
|> is no different.
|>
|> --
|> jim halat halat@bear.com
|> bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
|> nyc i speak only for myself
|>
|>
|>
|>
Perhaps the major difference here is that we notice something, which we call
gravity, and then do some modelling around it. I myself do not notice any
deity. Hence a model cannot be made. A deity is an abstract, and hence
religion may be considered a model of an abstract.
Besides, we can always change the model of gravity if the one we have doesn't
work too well. Can you imagine this with the bible? Erm, excuse me, I bought
this about 1500 years ago and it doesn't seem quite right...can I have an
improved model please?!
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <26APR199315293014@utkvx.utk.edu> iturriag@utkvx.utk.edu (Mr. Y) writes:
[...]
>
>I am not quite so sure about the illegality of using a regular American phone
>on your home system. I vaguely remember a few years ago, when "Deutsche
>Bundespost" split into Postdienst, Postbank, and Telekom there was some
>discussion about a new regulation. I know that cordless or cellular phones
>still have to be approved by the Telekom, but does that hold true for regular
>phones? In my areacode in Germany (2234 - Frechen, near Koeln) you can use
>touch-tone dialing. I assume, however, that most areas are still exclusively
>set to pulse dialing. Last time I checked (Jan '93) the Cologne areacode 221
>was still solely pulse dialing.
>
>BTW, touch tone does become more common in Germany, bringin with it the
>flourishing of 1-900 services (in Germany 0190). I just hope we'll all have
>ISDN some time at an affordable price - idle wishes...
>
Does this imply the German tone dialing is compatible with the American
one? I know at least the British system is not -- it is supposedly close
enough though that an American phone will work. But my modem (American)
has a special setting for British standards...
Michael
--
Michael Lemke
Astronomy, UT Austin, Texas
(michael@io.as.utexas.edu or UTSPAN::UTADNX::IO::MICHAEL [SPAN])
| 12sci.electronics |
Face it Mr. Beyer, you're just outmatched by us Israeli
intellectuals. Any attempts to defend the deceitful,
undeserving Palestinians will prove fruitless!
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) writes:
>And with Republicans like Arlen Spector calling for investigations,
>this isn't going to be handled with kid gloves.
It will be ironic in the extreme if Spector manages to uncover a
government conspiracy and cover-up in this case. Maybe he'll posit a
Magic Grenade that lit fires in three wings of the building at once.
---
Joe Knapp jmk@cbvox.att.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <20APR199321040621@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes...
>In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes...
>>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For
>>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a "safe"
>>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if
>>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy
>>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.
>
>It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one.
Also remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode
(probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not
spent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the
spacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be
available, or you need to retrain a new team.
Having said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed.
Many of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA
series) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set.
Extras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a "standby" mode for
use in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still
required to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is
relatively cheap.
Finally, Pat's explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance
to stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin-
stabilized control mode because it would require little power or
maintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time
to time.
In the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money),
but there is some technical rationale behind the decision.
David W. @ GSFC
| 14sci.space |
Press Release No.19-93
Paris, 22 April 1993
Users of ESA's Olympus satellite report on the outcome of
their experiments
"Today Europe's space telecommunications sector would not
be blossoming as it now does, had OLYMPUS not provided
a testbed for the technologies and services of the 1990s". This
summarises the general conclusions of 135 speakers and 300
participants at the Conference on Olympus Utilisation held in
Seville on 20-22-April 1993. The conference was organised by
the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Spanish Centre for
the Development of Industrial Technology (CDTI).
OLYMPUS has been particularly useful :
- in bringing satellite telecommunications to thousands of
new users, thanks to satellite terminals with very small
antennas (VSATs). OLYMPUS experiments have tested
data transmission, videoconferencing, business television,
distance teaching and rural telephony, to give but a few
examples.
- in opening the door to new telecommunications services
which could not be accommodated on the crowded lower-
frequency bands; OLYMPUS was the first satellite over
Europe to offer capacity in the 20/30 GHz band.
- in establishing two-way data relay links OLYMPUS
received for the first time in Europe, over several months,
high-volume data from a low-Earth orbiting spacecraft and
then distributed it to various centres in Europe.
When OLYMPUS was launched on 12 July 1989 it was the
world's largest telecommunications satellite; and no other
satellite has yet equalled its versatility in combining four
different payloads in a wide variety of frequency bands.
OLYMPUS users range from individual experimenters to some
of the world's largest businesses. Access to the satellite is
given in order to test new telecommunications techniques or
services; over the past four years some 200 companies and
organisations made use of this opportunity, as well as over
100 members of the EUROSTEP distance-learning
organisation.
As the new technologies and services tested by these
OLYMPUS users enter the commercial market, they then
make use of operational satellites such as those of
EUTELSAT.
OLYMPUS utilisation will continue through 1993 and 1994,
when the spacecraft will run out of fuel as it approaches the
end of its design life.
| 14sci.space |
In article <C62oJM.CJH@News.MR.Net> tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore M.P. Lee) writes:
>In article <tenneyC62HqH.6s1@netcom.com> Glenn S. Tenney,
>tenney@netcom.com writes:
>> of interest. I understand that on 29 April, Mr. Markey will be holding
>a
>> hearing on the questions raised in this letter. There may also be a
>follow-on
>> hearing dedicated to the clipper chip, but that's not definite.
>
>Glenn,
>
>Thanks for posting that. I was surprised to notice, however, that one
>question I might have expected to be asked was not: "Are all forms of
>strong encryption other than the Clipper to be made illegal?" Speaking
>of which, is anyone aware of whether that question *has* been asked of
>any knowledgeable or official spokesperson for the government? I have
>not yet seen it mentioned in any of a dozen places it might have been
>reported, but I could have easily missed it.
Please let us know if you get a solid answer to the question of legality
of other strong cryptosystems. So far any references I have seen
have been weasel-words ("more plans in the future, etc"), but nothing
that could be taken as a "NO (strong crypto will NOT be outlawed)". I
have heard (not verified) that the Crime Bill before Congress has
language that either requires escrow of keys, or that will regard
all systems 'unapproved' for public use, like strong cryptosystems
not trivially broken by the Govt, or without escrowed keys
which one cannot readily change (read: use being only permitted by
folks with 'special' connections, or government agencies) as either
'terrorist tools' or 'drug dealers tools'. Not outlawed SPECIFICALLY
but by added Civil Forfeiture powers, and clever wording, EFFECTIVELY
outlawed for all intents and purposes.
Now, for some idle speculation ... for those who don't care, hit 'n' now.
Crypto being EFFECTIVELY outlawed could be done without SPECIFICALLY
outlawing ANY class of crypto systems. For example, a crowbar, hammers,
screwdrivers, and such can be regarded as 'burglar tools' pretty much
at the whim of the authorities, based primarily on the individual
possessing them in the car, etc. not being in a trade that makes routine
use of these tools. In a like manner, one who has no 'legitimate need'
(gov't definition) for strong crypto software or systems, and is caught
using them, might find themselves in possession of 'terrorist tools'.
In other words, if one is not working for a corporation with extremely
sensitive commercial data that warrants (in the Fed's opinion) strong
security, or a government agency, and securing only work-related data,
not personal data, one will most likely be nailed on this if discoverd.
A personal desire for 'privacy' most certainly will not be regarded as
a 'legitimate NEED':
"Why do you want such strong security, especially from 'legitimate law
enforcement'? An individual with 'legitimate' endeavors would not be so
concerned - government is not in the business of revealing your personal
secrets to the public... so you must be trying to conceal or planning
to conceal some unlawful or criminal activity... DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING
TO HIDE, HMMMM?"
I expect that initially there will be some people selected either at
random, or who happen to have been 'troublemakers' for the purposes of
'making an example' for those who think the Feds are not SERIOUS about
this... (mega ':-('s)
One asking about a 'right' to privacy will probably get a response that
there is no constitutional right for privacy spelled out AS SUCH (an
argument used in the abortion debate): "You do NOT have a right to have
security that 'Legitimate Law Enforcement cannot break'" (as suggested
in the Clipper Press Release).
This, in a nutshell, is what I find so extremely frightening. Not only
for crypto systems, as in this case, but for the precident it will set,
laying the groundwork for future erosions of privacy (escrow of both
safe-deposit box keys - 'master' keys or combinations for privately
owned safes, and so on. WHY NOT?)...
I cannot think of a better way to make an 'end-run' around those
'inconvenient' parts of the US Constitution. A law cannot be easily
declared unconstitutional, if it there IS NO SPECIFIC LAW. It would
simply be a minor extension of the RICO statutes or WoD policies. A
simple policy decision, just like so many of the gun regulations are
mainly BATF policy decisions... The Conversation of the Fed agents
would go something like:
"We are gonna seize your home, your computers, your car, your bank
account, (you don't have to undress and give us yer clothes, unless you
have a floppy in yer pocket) because they are all connected with your
acquisition, transport, and use of 'terrorist tools' and/or 'drug dealers
tools' - part of the WoD or against terrorism, ya unnerstand... no
decent American Subject would be against these noble causes...".
"Note we are not accusing YOU of any wrong-doing ... we are only saying
your HOME, COMPUTERS, CAR, BANK ASSETS are connected with wrong-doing
SOMEHOW - they housed, transported, and funded these 'terrorist tools'.
Only a civil matter ... <heh-heh> ... We had this 'tip'...<grin>".
"Therefore, the Constitutional Protection on Individual rights do NOT
apply - we are 'arresting' the tainted PROPERTY... not YOU...<evil grin>".
"If you wish to deposit a BOND, hire some attorneys, and go to court to
PROVE the innocence of this property (that they are not 'terrorist tools'
and again to prove they are not also 'drug dealers tools'), go ahead,
we have no problem with that! 'Course, with your bank assets seized,
no car, computer, or home, (probably no job, too) and your
less-than-limitless resources, you might run into some minor practical
difficulties <grin>...".
THAT is what has me going so damned ballistic... It is EXACTLY how
the logic goes when someone gives a 'tip' that your home has been
used to store DRUGS... Note no trace of drugs need to be found on
the property... only some bozo who will say 'yup. I stored stuff in
that dude's house...' (probably to get out of a 10 year sentence for
dealing). Much more cost effective to let him walk, to bust another
day, and hit the jackpot with YOUR assets...
Ob Disclaimer (of course)...
Ok, note that I am not a lawyer, and can only base these speculations
on what I have read/heard/been told regarding past Civil Forfeiture
cases, and how they are used to augment the budgets of assorted agencies,
or to get 'cooperation' of folks who just want to be left alone, or who
do not wish to be put in a risky situation (especially in areas where
they are denied either meaningful police protection, AND the means to be
able to even pretend to defend themselves, as is quite common back East,
like NJ, MA, NYC, Wa DC, or out West in CA). These people have the
choice of cowering under the government boot, or cowering under threats
of pissed off drug dealing gang-bangers... helpless in either case...
All behind some dude who drops a dime on you for his gain, or behind
the Feds wanting to 'make an example'... Civil Forfeiture being the 'hook'.
Point is, are these speculations way out of line, or are they all too
typical, and if so, does the extension to crypto and just about anything
that the Feds regard as 'inconvenient' seem reasonable? And if not
why not (what are our guarantees, besides the government promises)?
NONE?
>Ted Lee
>Trusted Information System, Inc. tmplee@tis.com
>PO Box 1718
>Minnetonka, MN 55345
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If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
| 11sci.crypt |
>In article <1993Apr21.180216.7431@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>
>> And the survivors claim the fire was started from the outside. Outside
>>meaning outside the compound?
>
> No, they meant that BD's did not set the place on fire.
According to the latest of CNN reports, one BD said they started the fire
themselves, and one said the FBI did it. Now, given the choise of two,
which do you belive? It's hard to answer, but add that to the latest
reports (again from CNN, if I remember correctly), that several kersone
containers were inside the compund, make me believe the first guy.
>
>Yes, the FBI reported seeing two people
>>(according to CNN reports) using torches to set the compound on fire. They
>>were outside.
>
> That was the initial claim, but I do not believe it has been repeated
> since. Anyway, I'd like to see a tape. The FBI surely videotaped
> the whole operation. All conversations must have been recorded too.
Me too. We'll see if it comes up. More info on the "listening devices"
is coming on CNN now...I can't keep up with all this. Though, the FBI
says that they heard no plans of a mass suicide.
> How come the two were not shot by the FBI snipers?
After the initial fiasco where the ATF went in with guns blazing, I seriously
doubt the American public would care much for the "assassination" of two
people, no matter what they were doing.
>> Either way, I have evidence to support the theory that the BD's burned
>>themselves.
>
> What evidence?
See above. One BD admitted that they started the fires themselves. It's
possible he's lying, but I don't see what the BD's would gain from that.
It only implicates them more.
Granted, it's very weak evidence, and everything is going to be in
a different later on. But for now, there is more evidence to suggest
that the FBI *did not* intentionally destroy the BD's, which is what the
initial poster claimed. Again, as more information becomes available,
things may change.
>> You made a serious implication that the FBI was responsible
>>for the fire and the "destruction of the people". > All you have done is
>>put doubt on who started the fire without providing any evidence to back
>>up your claim that the FBI was responsible.
>
> That is what the survivors claim. I'd like to see some evidence
> that people that everyone agrees were not going to commit suecide
> actually did it.
I'm not sure I understand that last sentance...can you re-state it?
--
John Mechalas "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University #include disclaimer.h
| 19talk.religion.misc |
|> How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based
|> corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good
|> product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's
|> record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)).
Look how long the Maple Leafs and Nordiques used similar logic.... Not that
they fielded bad teams solely to field bad teams, but the Maple Leafs (and a
certain dead man who was in charge) were one of the cheapest teams in the
history of the sport. Guess what-- they were immensely popular at the
gate. The Nordiques have also done well for a team that had missed the
playoffs so many years in a row.
|> Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan
|> problems).
Ha! Such humor! They have MAJOR fan problems, namely that on occasion some of
them don't make it home from the match! The soccer fans tend to be fanatical,
much like the Montreal fans who firebomb the players and coaches houses when
they play pathetically.
-JPC
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <fern.735342004@camelot> fern@camelot.bradley.edu (Jill Rosencrans) writes:
>
>i'm not saying i'm satisfied with the outcome, it's very upsetting.
>you are simply blaming the wrong person.
>
Oh are we Jill? Let me tell you a story then...
One evening not long in this country a man, a parolee, a convicted KNOWN
violent crimminal lead police on high speed chase after breaking another law.
He decided that police had no right to do their jobs and enforce the law
and assualted two of while attempting to resist arrest. When police use
metal sticks to force him into submission we heard all the reason why certain
people in this country have and excuse when they refuse to obey the law,
how this was a perfect example of police oppression, how all the police
had to do was behave a certain way and all would have been finei, how nothing
the victim did could have possibly warranted the response - some blows with
a few sticks - he got from the authorities.
Funny, how when it's Bloodbath Billy or his hitwench calling the shots,
a group of people who were bothering no one, were not know to have broken
any law, who asked only that they be left alone to practice their religion
as they fit, how it is now that the government is justified in assualting
those people with 100 heavily armed commandos simply because the gun
grabbers in DC thought these people had more guns thay they thought they
should have. Now when it's the Clinton administration that has the blood
of dozens on its hand AAAALL of a sudden it's the people who refused to
have their civil rights violated, it's their fault, those evil fanatics
provoked it...
How is it in the mind of the liberal Democrat-Clinton supporter that a
crimminal puke, scum bag, piece of garbage like Rodney King could not have
possibly provoked the beating he got, but this bunch of wierdos could cause
a fifty one day stand off that ended with the burning deaths of all of them
and their children, all by themselves with no help from the the police.
And to here people say they deserved what they got, to hear Clinton say
the blame rest solely with Koresch, what a cowardly piece of work that
man has shown, again, himself to be.
WE'RE blaming the right people. It is you and others that defend ANY of the
actions of the BATF, FBI or Justice Department in this matter, that with
each word prove again and again the depth of the hypocrisy, the double
standard that people like the Clintons would hold certain Americans to.
While at the same time allowing others to do as they please with only
excuses to offer their victims. It's all to clear these days, from the
comments of the "president" and the rationalizations of his supporters
in these groups, that in a liberal Democratic vision of America only
a certain select few people can expect to have civil rights enforced,
and this administration intends to enforce laws, apply the Constitution
and obey the laws only when it suits them to do so.
The Rooster
WARNING!
By order of Heir Clinton and for your own
personal safety: Remember to maintain membership
in ONLY BATF approved religious organizations.
BATF approved religious services.
.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:
>In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says:
>>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow. They don't sell them over here in US,
>>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna'
>>>be a dog.
>>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was
>>the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should
>>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>>maximum acceleration.
>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in
12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.
BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for
no-one...
--
Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
| 8rec.motorcycles |
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:
>>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit
>>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not
>>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game
>>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for
>>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for
>>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever
>>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the
>>Red Wings win?
>Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that
>Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired
>San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only
>coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be
>expected to quarterback the powerplay.
Good comeback, Rog. Your quick wit and intelligence continues to
amaze everyone.
--
John Franjione
Department of Chemical Engineering
University of Colorado, Boulder
franjion@spot.colorado.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <randolin.3.735424986@polisci.umn.edu> randolin@polisci.umn.edu (Robert Andolina) writes:
>The thing that confuses me most about ESPN is that they decided to show the
>Penguins and Devils again on Thursday night. Being that both of the first
>two games were dominated by Pitt., you would think that they would show a
>different game. This is in addition to the fact that they should show other
>games just for the sake of fair exposure.
NESN owns the rights to Bruin telecasts. I suspect that NESN was only
going to sell one telecast to ESPN (remember, ESPN only owns exclusive
rights to the FINALS, not the entire playoffs). Since ESPN bought the
SCA contract, there are less wrangles to untie with showing the Devils
and Penguins.
>
>Also, some of you should know that (as far as I can tell) ESPN is not going
>to show Campbell conference games regularly in the first two rounds. I
>believe that they are only going to show Campbell games in the first two
>rounds as those series wear on (games 6 & 7, or perhaps games 5, 6, 7).
>
I think the same broadcast rights factor comes into it. Plus they
have no way of fitting western game times into their current schedule
unless the NHL was willing to make a western club move up their game.
I think the NHL got as much as it could when it shuffled the deck for ABC.
>Also, does anyone have info on ABC coverage for this Sunday (4/25)?
>
>
Same exact coverage as last week: Pit-NJ game 4 in the east, Chi-StL
in the central, LA-Cgy in the mountains and west.
>
>Robert Andolina
>randolin@polisci.umn.edu
>
-Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <Fn+0rAZBBh107h@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca>, aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) writes:
> I have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have
> been positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm
> these? (I am interested in the EISA version in particular).
>
> 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM.
The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know. The VLB
and EISA version should have no problems.
> 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches
> set but it is much slower.
Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM
(EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA). 32M should not be a problem for you.
> 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes.
Nope. I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all
non-interlaced.
> 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many
> cases.
They aren't perfect, but are much improved. I don't recall the last time which
I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due
to software incompatibility.
> 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money.
It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate.
> 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-)
I like it.
--
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Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET]
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1qk3mqINN72e@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> gnome@pd.org writes:
>james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
>
>Cam chain.
>
In that case why do they chase ST1100s & Goldwings?
Tony
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
> --From the latest issue of AutoWeek, the Chevy Impala SS will arrive in
> dealer showrooms in mid-1994. Dealers have already been notified. No word
> on the changes to be made for the production version. My question to all of
> you is would you buy it? And how much would you pay for it?
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.
>
> --
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint
Alright GM!!!! Finally my wishes have come true, Moby Dick with a Corvette
engine. DOn't you think they should maybe spend the money doing something
about the lousy build/quality/design of their bigger selling cars? This is
another example of why GM is in so much trouble. If you're going to stick
the LT-1 or ZR-1 engine in a car, at least make it a nice looking one.
Sheesh
.
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr20.144415.2153@ncar.ucar.edu> boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote) writes:
>In article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes:
>>
>> Environment:
>> mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX)
>> OS : SunOS 4.1.3
>> X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22)
>> Motif : 1.2.2
>>
>> I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence
>> of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion
>> to X server lost):
>
>I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that
>comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the "sunGX.uu"
>that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you
>didn't apply the one that came with Patch #7.
>
>jeff
>-
>Jeff W. Boote <boote@ncar.ucar.edu> *********************************
>Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad *
>National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. *
>Boulder * Hamlet *
> *********************************
Thanx, Jeff. You're a lifesaver. I imported the new sun GX emulator that came in
with patch #7. The problem has since disappeared.
Thanx to der (schoene) Mouse for his help too.
---
S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <907F3B3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid. Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot
of time studying the maps, there's a lot of "you can't get there from
here" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way
up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then
back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home.
Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
number of "top 10 roads" lists.
A nice booklet detailing a lot of interesting paved (Byways) and unpaved
(Backways) roads can be ordered from the Utah Travel Council. I think
you can also get a state map from them just for asking.
Utah Byways and Backways
$4.00 (US)
Utah Travel Council
Council Hall
Capitol Hill
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
(801) 583-1030
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Well here it goes...my crazy predictions (which never come true, but hey..)
Adams
Bos vs. Buf - Bos in 5 (cakewalk for the hot Bruins)
Que vs. Mon - Que in 6 (best series of the first round)
Patrick
Pit vs. NYI - Pit in 5 (NYI wins fourth game)
Was vs. NJD - NJD in 7 (a grueling upset, possibly OT in game 7)
Norris
Chi vs. StL - Chi in 5 (StL is no match for Keenan's Krew)
Det vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Clark steps it up in playoffs this year)
Smythe (who cares?)
Van vs. Win - Win in 7 (so I'm caught up in Teemu-mania, sue me!)
Cal vs. LAK - Cal in 5 (LA sucks!!!!!!!!! IMO)
Division finals
Bos vs. Que - Bos in 7 (killer games, watch for Cam to shine)
Pit vs. NJD - Pit in 6 (NJD go insane, kill all on ice, but Pit wins)
Chi vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Tor defense finally get it together)
Cal vs. Win - Cal in 6 (Win too tired after 1st series)
Conference finals
Pit vs. Bos - Bos in 6 (Pit too beat up by NJD to play (I hope))
Cal vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Vernon turns into a sieve)
Stanley Cup
Bos vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Two totally different teams, who knows? Dreams
can come true, pig might one day evolve wings)
Feel free to laugh at my predictions, I always do!
Barfly
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C4xAwp.tAK@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
> In <1993Apr3.041411.23590@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
# # "Abortions destructive of the fetus must be permitted, even
# # just before birth, if they promote what the [Supreme] Court
# # calls ``health''
#
# Yes, Doug, we all know that Roe v. Wade prevents states from prohibiting
# abortions necessary to preserve the life or health of the woman. Only
# very stupid people (such as yourself) confuse a discussion of mental health
# related to "Jane Doe", who was in a mental institution, and attempt to claim
# that this same argument could be applied to a woman who decided she wanted
# an abortion because she was having a "bad hair day".
#
# As you well know, the facts are that there are about 100 third-trimester
# abortions performed in this country annually, and those are *only* done for
# *serious* health reasons.
# --
# Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Hmmm. Human gestation period is something like 39 weeks. That means
third trimester abortions are those done after 26 weeks. In consulting
a 1989 World Almanac, I see that 1% of abortions in 1983 were done at
21 weeks or more. That's about 1268 abortions in 1983 after 21 weeks.
Unless the number of abortions performed has dropped dramatically, or
a LOT of abortions are done between 21 and 26 weeks, I think you are
wrong.
By the way, Roe v. Wade allowed states to adopt very, very broad
prohibitions on third-trimester abortions, but some states, such as
California, declined to do so. It was reported* that what finally
stopped third trimester elective abortions in the Bay Area wasn't law,
but that the only hospital doing them ran out of nurses, then doctors,
willing to do them. Not surprisingly, the bay area NOW chapter was
terribly upset about this.
I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a
clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering
a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice
doesn't have a grain of truth to it.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill.
Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for
creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money).
Chalk one up for holding the line on spending.
Brett
________________________________________________________________________________
"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
MIF101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> I heard about a month back that the Red Sox are getting a new dome stadium.
> I have relatives that just moved up that way, and they said about the city
> releasing the funds. Can anybody verify this?
> to a game
>
> Bosox fan in Pa
I have lived in the Boston area for 15 years now. They have been talking
about a new Boston Garden (hockey/basketball) since I've lived here. One
day the "last hurdle" has been overcome, and the next day there's a new
hurdle. Fans have been grumbling about Foxboro Stadium (or whatever it's
called this year) for nearly as long, but there are only preliminary
proposals for a new stadium. Local politics prevents anything from being
done in a timely fashion. There will not be a new ballpark in my
lifetime.
Max Logan
Nashua NH
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I've had pretty good success autotracing line art with Adobe
Streamline 2.0. The key to controlling excessive points, etc. is
to take some time and do some test conversions using various
Tolerance settings.
--
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/ Academic Computing Services / VOICE: (403)220-7937
/ University of Calgary / MESSAGE: (403)220-6201
/ Calgary, Alberta CANADA T2N 1N4 / FAX: (403)282-9199
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.36.1993.14391@athos.rutgers.edu>
gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:
> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And
> we die.
I agree we need sleep & etc, but I disagree we are _just_ animals.
That statement is a categorical negative; it's like saying there are
_no_ polkadoted elephants. It may be true but one would have to be
omniscient to know for sure.
------------------------------------------------------------
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MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they
244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts
Lexington, MA 02173 as they are.
617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis
| 15soc.religion.christian |
dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes:
>My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When
>On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if
>they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist
>read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they
>were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT!
>My wife is concerned about this. She saw a TV show a couple months
>back (something like 20/20 or Dateline NBC, etc.) where an expert
>on fetal ultrasounds (a radiologist) was showing all the different
>deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound.
>Should my wife be concerned? Should we take the pictures to a
>radiologist for a second opinion? (and if so, where would we find
>such an expert in Chicago?) We don't really have any special medical
>reason to be concerned, but if a radiologist will be able to see
>things the ob-gyn can't, then I don't see why we shouldn't use one.
>Any thoughts?
As far as I can see if your obstetrition has an ultrasound in his rooms
and is expirienced its use and interpretation, he should be just as
capable of reading it as any radiologist. All doctors are "qualified" to
read x-rays, u/s, ct scans etc. it is just that a radiologist does nothing
else, and thus, is only better at reading them because of all this time
spent doing this (skill in reading x-rays etc. just comes from plenty of
practice). If your obstetrition reads heaps of obstetric ultrasounds he
should be able to pick up any abnormalities that can be demonstrated by
this technique.
- Paul.
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