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In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population
>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.
Another CPR Non-Fact.
>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of
>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the
>strip and seek work in Israel.
Actually, they are free to leave and seek work in Egypt, except that
the Egyptians don't want them, either. And who are you going to blame
if/when Gazans establish their own state of Gaza/Palestine?
>While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the
>Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help
>the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli
>Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.
Actually, one such Jew who did risk his life to help Gazan Arabs was
hacked to death by Palestinean murderers just last week. It seems
that the risk has been primarily from the Arabs "in need of help".
This is also true for telephone repairmen, traders who seek to buy
agricultural products from Gazans, Israeli soldiers who get involved
in fighting between feuding Palestinean groups that are as determined
to destroy each other as they are to destroy outsiders...
>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is
>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of
>justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to
>rise up against its tormentors.
I just wanna see you try this here in the USA. You know what's going
to happen.
>As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of
>Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are
>considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops
>and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in
>Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for
>the Master Race.
Okay. That's enough. I'm not going to read this posting of yours any
further.
>Elias Davidsson Iceland
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I am coordinating the Space Shuttle Program Office's e-mail traffic to
NPO Energia for our on-going Joint Missions. I have several e-mail
addresses for NPO Energia folks, but I won't post them on the 'Net for
obvious reasons. If you need to know, give me a yell.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in
the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky
| 14sci.space |
I'd like to install an Apple (Quantum) 40 MB hard drive taken from a IIsi in an
external PowerDrive box from Hard Drives International that currenty has a dead
Conner mechanism in it. Have you done this (or do you know how)? If so, could
you please walk me through it, in as much detail as possible?
Please email me directly. If anyone else is interested in this, email me and
I'll forward responses to you. If enough people want instructions, I'll post a
summary within a week or so.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Krauthammer
f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1r6j9lINNac6@phakt.usc.edu> rmakarem@usc.edu (Total Stranger) writes:
>Hi,
>I need your help with a problem I have with a 1989 Mitsubishi
>Galant GS transmission. The car has a 5 speed manual tranmission.
>Since the car was bought new, while shifting from 2nd to 3rd, unless
>I do it SLOWLY and carefully, it makes a "popping" or "hitting" sound.
>The dealer and Mitsubishi customer service (reached by an 800 #) say
>this is NORMAL for the car. IS IT?
>And about a year ago, at 35Kmiles, the stick shift handle got STUCK
>while attempting to put it in reverse:
> 1- The shifter would not budge. The clutch had no effect.
> 2- The front tires would not budge, even when the clutch is
> fully depressed.
> 3- If the clutch is released the engine would die.
> 4- Assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was
> stuck, I could not make the car move. It acted as if
> it were in Neutral(except for dying when clutch is released.)
> 5- I finally was able to release the shifter by having
> someone rock the car back and forth (less than an inch),
> while I depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter.
> 6- The shifter acted normally after that.
>
>When this happened, I took it to the dealer, they checked the
>clutch, it was o.k. They checked the transmission, it was o.k.
>
>I had the exact problem a couple of months ago, and again last
>week. The dealer says there is nothing they can do because
>Mitsubishi (the 800 #) says they have never heard of the
>problem, and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while
>they had the car.
>In all three occurances, the car was parked head first in a garage,
>and since the front wheels were stuck, the car could not be towed
>to the dealer before releasing the shifter (hence temporarily
>solving the problem). And the dealer, and Mitsubishi, refused to
>send someone to check the car while it was stuck.
>I KNOW there is smething wrong with the transmission (shifting
>from 2nd to 3rd), and getting stuck at random, but I can't get
>the dealer to fix it. I need your help with the mechanical problems,
>and with how to handle Mitsubishi.
>All hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated, and sorry to
>bore you with the long post.
>
>Thanks,
>Rabih.
Try another dealer. Sometimes the sophistication of equipment etc is
better at one dealer than another. You may also find another dealer
willing to help you with the problem.
-- Joe
| 7rec.autos |
In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP>, a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:
> MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes:
# #The official and legal term for rape is "the crime of forcing a FEMALE
# #to submit to sexual intercourse."
#
# Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states
# had the word "FEMALE" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised
# as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but
# was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only,
# uniformly throughout the U.S.
#
# -Chris
There may be some confusion here. The Uniform Crime Reports program
run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even
though some states have the laws de-sexed. I suspect that this causes
male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr16.225409.22697@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a
>KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote:
>
>[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much..
>
>I am your alter-ego!
>
>[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ??
>
>No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me?
Maybe he will. Maybe he is working for the secret Turkish service. You never
know.
>[KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit.
>
>In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like
No it is still called "you are full of shit"; even in the US.:)
>[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying "DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!"...
>
>No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to
>bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me?
Well, now you have. Don't worry Turks do not turn to terrorist actions like
Armenians have so you can be sure that you will not be killed. However, I
do not know about the torture part... Timucin sounds like a tough guy so
watch out.
>[KAAN] See ya in hell..
>
>Wrong again!
>
>[KAAN] Timucin.
>
>All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was
>so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place!
>Don't kill the messenger!
If you are going to translate, you have to do it consistently. If you
selectively translate things to serve your ugly purpose, people get
pisssssssssed offfffff.
In Ottoman times messengers were usually killed by cutting their heads off and
sending it back to their country. But Ottoman empire no longer exists :(.
(darn!)
Esin.
>--
>David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
>P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
>Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:
|>
|> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
|> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
|> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
|> sell them but have gotten NO interest.
|>
|> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy
|> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing
|> about it.
The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-)
JohnH
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1r1chu$h22@pandora.sdsu.edu> chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes:
> Initial assault on the "compound" ( more like a wooden farm house if
> it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who
> started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the
> ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it
> properly!
I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in
Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after
"months of investigation" for their raid.
I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused
of stockpiling a bunch of "9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15
and M16 assault rifles". Imagine that--they had ammunition! They also had
aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't
heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn
furniture...) The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been
illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?)
Months of investigation! For this 80+ people died!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. |
Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 16talk.politics.guns |
shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell) writes:
>
>First Name Last Name Nominator Famous For
>---------- --------- --------- ----------
>Sid Altman Kuszewski, John Catalytic RNA
(Nobel Chem 89)
The picture from the press conference on the cover of the Times
that day had Prof. Altman at the lectern holding a Yale pennant
over his head ... there was a tiny Canadian flag pasted atop the
Yale crest. He may also have had his tongue sticking out, but
I might be confused with a picture of Mark Messier holding the
1987 Canada Cup aloft.
[Heck, I'd be that happy too ... in either case! (-;]
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993May1.043916.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>How hard or easy would it be to have a combo mission such as a solar sail on
>the way out to the outer planets, but once in near to orbit to use more normal
>means..
If you've got a good propulsion system that's not useful for deceleration,
sure you can use chemical rockets for that part... but even just doing the
deceleration chemically is a major headache. We're talking seriously high
cruising velocities; taking the velocity down nearly to zero for a Pluto
orbit isn't easy with chemical fuels.
Incidentally, solar sails are not going to be suitable as the acceleration
system for something like this. They don't go anywhere quickly. (I speak
as head of mission planning for the Canadian Solar Sail Project, although
that is more or less an honorary title right now because CSSP is dormant.)
They can't fly a mission like this unless you start talking about very
advanced systems that drop in very close to the Sun first.
--
SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 14sci.space |
Hey, can someone clue me in on these and other weird types of amplifiers? Just
a brief intro to the concepts behind these would be cool. I have the clues
on type A, B, and AB already and stuff, but these other ones are mentioned
occasionally and I dont know what they do. I think type D is like a PWM scheme
or something. Thanx in advanced.
-mark
(my10@andrew.cmu.edu)
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr23.134422.25521@rick.dgbt.doc.ca>
(Jerry Han) writes:
> "A smart warrior defeats the enemy in ambush on the battlefield"
> "A smarter warrior defeats the enemy in open warfare on the battlefield"
> "The smartest warrior defeats the enemy without using the battlefield"
Y'all got the first two reversed.
- Judge Roy Bean
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on
>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
>> ^^^^^
>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?
>
>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.
>
>I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several
>different news groups, including something along the lines of
>alt.discrimination.
Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.
Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted
to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).
Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer
the question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no
trouble politely responding to a polite query.
--
ted frank |
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says "Moops."
the u of c law school |
standard disclaimers |
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:
>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:
>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a "Neutral
>>Observer" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?
>Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale
>behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza.
Hate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its
really very simple. He was a dirty Jew. And the only good Jew, in
some peoples mind, is a dead Jew. Thats what 40 years of propaganda
that fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do. Thats
what 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to
someones mind. They make people sick. They drag down political
discourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way
to resolve a dispute.
What else can come of such demagogery? Peace?
Adam
Arafat on political pluralism:
``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada
exposes himself to the bullets of his own people and
endangers his life. The PLO will know how to deal with
him.''
--- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1/2/89
Arafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square:
``... on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their
leadership, and myself... [I] take this opportunity to express
extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order
after the recent incidents in People's China.''
--- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party
Yassir Arafat, humanitarian:
``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ... be they from the
Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else. It would be a disgrace if
we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our
territory. I want you to shoot... It makes no difference if they
live in Jaffa or Jericho. I give you explicit orders to open fire.
Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.''
--- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990
Yassir Arafat on genocide:
``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in
this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch
of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the
occupied homeland is liberated...''
--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr6.151843.15240@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say "Muslim". In
>general, anyone who calls themselves a "Muslim" and does not do or
>outwardly profess
>something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam
>is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to
>Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a
>Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential
>principles, though, then one does leave Islam.
You and Mr. bobby really need to sit down and decide what
exactly Islam *is* before posting here.
According to 'Zlumber, one is NOT a muslim when one is doing evil.
[ A muslin can do no evil ] According to him, one who does evil is suffering
from "temporary athiesm."
Now, would the members who claim to be "Muslims" get their stories
straight????
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
| 0alt.atheism |
julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>In article <C513wJ.75y@encore.com> rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
>>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:
>>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other
>>|> conservatives do as well.
>>|>
>>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It
>>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and
>>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to
>>health for another go around.
>Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked
>conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.'
OK, I should have said "former" enemy. I was being sarcastic about what
interventionists want to do.
>I suggest you
>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying
>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his
>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back.
Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a
gun?
Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does
happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to
help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same
reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably
consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help
them.
Then their's the ideological point. We want to "win" Russia over to
our type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit
over everyone's finances?
>>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with
>>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic
>>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying
>>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke.
>Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those
>nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not
>be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if
>they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large
>parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot
>imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear.
>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if
>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.
>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is
>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the
>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other
>democracies (or struggling democracies).)
If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it
be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to
charity.
>>
>>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing
>>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution
>>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate
>>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money
>>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously.
>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.
>My two "causes" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.
>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies
>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a
>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we
>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.
It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,
expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor,
and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government
is more key than how democratic it is.
>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who
>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of
>thing I thought Libertarians were against.
That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.
>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue
>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems
>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and
>let it sink or swim.
If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should
be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would
your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose
weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you
and your group for causes you don't support?
>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.
People have been saying that for hundreds of years.
>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and
>global decision making.
All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more
efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions
on complex issues.
>Julie
>DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
Roger Collins
Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government
of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let
history answer this question.
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell. These are excellent, and both in great condition:
Denon AH-D350
JVC HA-D590
Any reasonable offer accepted.
Alexander Hinds
(415) 497-3719
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C64CpI.M1F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
> ...
>The primary purpose of fertilizer is not to explode or kill
>people. Maybe just a law saying you cannot use this stuff
>to make a bomb would be good?
Even better, let's pass a law making it illegal to kill people
with bombs of *any* sort.
--henry schaffer
P.S. Thanks for explaining the primary purpose of fertilizer.
Now I can stop worrying about the World Trade Towers bombing.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate
respond to the "Charley Challenges" (and judging from my e-mail, there
appear to be quite a few of you.)
It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or
unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between
the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or
more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge.
It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions
will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the
subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I
would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers,
in the following manner:
1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the
Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he
refuses to do so.
--or--
2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it
something similar to the following:
"Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."
Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some
honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to
ask from a devout Christian, would you?
Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question.
--Dave Wood
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu> st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes:
> I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz
> 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously
> a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the
> systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for
> the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works
> fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer
> of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm)
> might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some
> suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications
> problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)?
> Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought
> that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design).
> Are there any MC68882RC33?
I, too, have a XC68882RC50 math coprocessor, which I installed
succesfully in my Mega Midget Racer (clocked at 33 MHz). I have tried
clocking my FPU at 28 to 50 MHz and it all worked just fine. I have a
MC68030-33 CPU. I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU
was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system. Maybe you
just have a bad chip.
Stefan
P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-)
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <66758@mimsy.umd.edu> davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) writes:
>I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that
>they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was
>worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have
>also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.
I've read in this group that Geico has funded the purchasing of radar
guns by police depts (I'm not sure where).
| 7rec.autos |
jpr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James P. Reynolds) writes:
>PEOPE JUST DOESN'T GET IT. The current health care system is a cancer which is
>killing our economic well-being. Costs are still rising 10 percent a year
>even as Americans by the tens of millions go without, or are forced into
>managed-care programs, which are certainly pretty socialized already if you
>ask me.
>A couple of months ago I posted a message asking any Hillary-bashers to please
>come forward and present (no gimmicks, straight talk) just how THEY would set
>about keeping costs down. I didn't get a single answer.
The first thing I would do would be to disband Medicare and Medicade! They
are a primary reason why health care costs are going up. To cover the people
that are currently on these programs, I would sell their coverage in blocks
to insurance companies. The private companies would bid to get these large
blocks of people, and prices would go down.
To get away from strong federal control on health care, I would pass off
more control to the states. Everyone is always spewing forth about how
wonderful Hawaii is doing. Well, how about giving some other STATES incentive
to try their own plans
What I would NOT do is try to implement some far reaching federal program
program to cover all Americans, because this is the surest way to fail!
>How can anyone read the news, live under our system, and NOT see these faults?
>How can we deal with the deficit, our cities, our educational system, our
>infrastrucure, AIDS, modernizing our industry, etc. if we don't quit throwing
>away money which could be used to SOLVE those problems?
One sure way to stop throwing money away is to stop giving so much to the
federal government. Our FEDERAL taxes should be slashed, and our STATE taxes
increased. A strong central government always fails. Give power back to the
states/counties/cities, where it belongs.
>America needs health care reform NOW. Don't just sit there and Hillary-bash,
>inform yourself!
The more I inform myself, the more I want to Hillary-bash. :->
| 18talk.politics.misc |
>Win-OS/2 is IBM work? You make me laugh... Re-writing couple of thousands
>lines of code to make Windows compatible with your DPMI implementation does
>not make the rest of Windows IBM work...
I don't think MS has anything to brag about when it comes to following
DPMI. But then, consistency is the hobgoblin, etc., I suppose.
--
Tom Hatton
hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
(415)-476-8693
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Hi there,
I'm having a bizarre video problem within Windows 3.1. I have a 286 with
a GVGA-16 video board. I've been using the standard Windows VGA driver
with other similarly configured computers.
I am thinking that my problem is with the way Windows refreshes it's screen.
The problem is that once Windows has been envoked, the colors start
changing themselves. At first I thought it was hardware, but if you open
a full screen DOS program from within the Windows session, you don't have
any problems until you get back to Windows - however, when you initially
return to Windows, the original colors get refreshed properly.
Also, it is not a uniform color change - so if you are in solitaire, the
design on the back of the card maintains it's original color scheme, but
the white fronts of the cards will turn grey, then blue, etc.
The color changes keep getting darker until finally everything is a dark
purple-ish black. If you pop out to DOS and exit back to Windows - the
screen gets refreshed again.
If I don't log into Windows and just do DOS things from the Novell
network, everything is fine.
I originally loaded the software by bouncing it down to the net from the
other machine I had just finished configuring, then from the net to this
machine. When I ran into problems, I deleted everything on this machine
and the net, and tried bouncing it again. When that didn't work, I tried
reloading Windows to no avail.
Any thoughts on things to check out? I am totally baffled!
Thanks in advance for any assistance and instruction!
Linda Cornell
lcornell@u.washington.edu
UW Office of Research
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
nataraja@rtsg.mot.com writes:
> I heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than
> gas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide,
> Hydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen. (CO, HC, NOX).
>
> But they can put out a lot of particulate matter. I heard
> something about legislation being discussed to "clean up
> diesel emissions". Is there anything in the works to
> install "scrubbers" for diesels? How about the feasibility
> of installing them on trucks and cars? Would it be any
> different than a catylitic converter? I'd assume easier,
> since we're removing particulate matter instead of converting
> gasses. Let's hear people's opinions...
>
VW and Mercedes have tinkered with particulate traps. Also, VW
uses a kind of turbocharger on their Jetta ECOdiesel that helps
reduce particulates as well, although I don't know the
mechanics of it.
Many diesel cars,busses, and trucks in Europe are now being
equipped with catalysts and traps in an effort to clean up
diesel emissions, already well below legal limits anyway.
It's a shame GM had to soil the diesel's reputation in
passenger cars and prevent further resource devotion to
research into making this outstandingly efficient engine even
further ahead of gas engines in emissions.
erik
| 7rec.autos |
I know this is the wrong place to post this, but I couldn't find any
relevant newsgroups in my area.
For those of you who are from PA, where is VASCAR (where the cops
measure your speed from the time it takes you to cross the distance
between two white lines on the road, right?) most commonly used? I'm
especially interested in the Pittsburgh area (specific locations, prior
experiences, if possible). For those PA and non-PA, if they use VASCAR
in your state, is it most common in rural, city, highway areas, etc.
What I'm interested in mainly is where I can speed with the least risk
of being caught. You can always detect radar, but there's no way to
fight VASCAR unless you know where all the white lines are.
Thanks a lot,
Arun Jayakumar
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
>agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie.
You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.
I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer.
Kee-ripe.
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
| 7rec.autos |
Tony-
While I honestly believe you believe you are doing a "good thing" by posting
that piece of propaganda, I believe the more people believe that the more they
will feel justified in their blatant persecution of gay oriented people. I
have seen the film called "The Gay Agenda" and along with my church we found
it to be horrifying. Not because of what was actually shown (cleaver use of
editting can create any image one wants to portray), rather becaseu we are familia
familiar with how widely it was actively distributed and how many naive people
are actually believing the garbage found within it. The truth is that neither
you nor I can fully speak for anyone who calls themself gay, but knowing as
many as I do and knowing their testimonies and witnessing thier faith and life
I have to say that the report you posted is a very biased report, something
obviously claimed against gays as well. The truth is that unless YOU are
innately gay you cannot know what harm you are causing. I speak as an
abolitionist who supports affirming gay rights in our society. I do not
support wild sex or any other misrepresentations perpetrated by Christian
Fundamentalist extremists, but I know people who are not the sexual deviants
your report paints them to be. It is no mistake that the APA removed
homosexuality from it's list of mental illnesses, it is also no mistake that
there are many Christians and homophobes who long to bring it back to the list.
I do not feel threatened by gays, I don't understand why others are.
The following is an article concerning two of the more popular ex-gay min-
istries: Exodus International & Homosexuals Anonymous.
THE FOUNDER OF AN "EX-GAY" SUPPORT GROUP CHOOSES HOMO OVER HETERO
by Robert Pela (from Gay oriented magazine ADVOCATE)
In December 1985, David Caligiuri received one of The Advocate's homophobia rewaa
awards: the A Prayer A Day Keeps the Lust Away citation. As director of FREE
INDEED, a national ex-gay ministry, Caligiuri was singled out for offering
discontented gays and lesbians "a way out of the homosexual death-style"
through prayer. "I'd like to give the award back," Caligiuri now laughs, "I'm
no longer deserve it."
Caligiuri's eight year involvement with the national "ex-gay" movement peaked
with his founding of the Phoenix chapter of Homosexuals Anonymous (HA) as well
as Free Indeed. He has since abandoned his pulpit and now says that the ex-
gay movement is a fruitless effort based on deception. "There's no reality
in it," he says, "I was selling a product, and my product was a lie."
Headed up by national ministries like Exodus International and Courage, the
organizations of the ex-gay movement rely on the tenents of born-again
Christianity to convince disatisfied homosexuals -- usually young gay men who
are just coming out -- that they can shed their sexuality by suppressing their
sexual urges and embracing Christianity. "We offer support to people who are
seeking to leave the sin of homosexuality," explains Bob Davies, director of
Exodus. He ventures that "about 80% of those seeking to abandon their homo-
sexuality are men."
"Anybody who is involved in the ex-gay ministry is misguided and is wasting
their time," says Lisa Seeley, a former "redeemed lesbian" who worked with
Caligiuri as HA and appeared with him on the Sally Jessy Raphael show. "These
organizations are for people who are spiritually and emotionally wounded."
"It's possible to change your identity or your behavior," says sex educator
Brian McNaught, author of _On Being Gay_. "But it's really impossible to
change your orientation. These people are no longer calling themselves gay,
but they continue to have same-sex erotic feelings."
Caligiuri says he founded Free Indeed after an ominous week in 1981 when all
hell broke loose in his personal life. A few days after his lover ended both
their romance and their business partnership, Caligiuri was sexually assaulted
by a man he picked up in a bar. "I was really drunk," he recalls, "and I
went home with this guy. He tied me up and raped me. He left me tied up all
night, and the next morning he raped me again."
When Caligiuri was eventually freed by the attacker, he returned home to the
home he shared with his ex-lover. "He had another man there with him,"
Caligiuri recalls. "I thought at this time, 'If this is what being gay is
about, I don't want to be this way anymore."
Caligiuri vowed that if he could find a way out, he would share his discovery
with others. He organized an antigay contingent to demonstrate at Phoenix's
gay pride parade in June 1985, and a few months later Free Indeed held its
first public protest. At a meeting to promote a gay civil rights ordinance,
Free Indeed members loudly blasted gays, telling them ther were sinners headed
for hell.
Free Indeed began receiving about a hundred telephone calls a week, thanks
in part to a deceptive listing in the local yellow pages. "We were listed
under Lesbian and Gay Alternative Services," Caligiuri says, "so people
thought we were a gay information switchboard. People would call to find out
where the local bars were, and we'd preach to them about the sins of homo-
sexuality." Ruses like this are typical of the movement, Caligiuri says,
adding, "They'll do anything to reach these people."
"David used to go on radio and say really stupid things," recalls Peter
Kelly, a counselor at Phoenix's Catholic diocese AIDS program, "like that
he knew he was gay when he started wearing pastel colors."
Caligiuri's family first found out about his ministry when they saw him on
Raphael's syndicated talk show in 1985. "They were relieved," he recalls.
"They figured that if they had to have a gay person in the family, better
that I should be a 'reformed' gay person."
But Caligiuri was hardly reformed. "By the time I appeared on Sally's
show," "I'd started having sex with men again. Men would call our hotline
and tell me about thier latest sin: sex with their pastor, sex with their
father. I was horny all the time."
Unable to risk going to gay bars, where he might be recognized from his
numerous television appearances, Caligiuri says he "used to go to bookstores
and get blowjobs." When he wasn't working the bookstores, he was sleeping
with other "reformed" homosexuals.
"I didn't realize it at first, but a lot of the HA leaders were having sex
with one another," Caligiuri says. "We'd go to conferences in other cities,
and we'd be paired up in hotel rooms. Everybody was sleeping with everybody
else."
By the time he appeared on 'AM Philadelphia' television show in May 1988,
Caligiuri was having anonymous sex a couple times a week. When the show's
host asked him if he ever "acted on temptation," his answer was a lie.
Caligiuri's duplicity began to take it's toll on him, however. He was
suffering from chrinic fatigue syndrome and candidiasis, a dibilitating
yeast infection, and this led to his escape from the sect. "I was too sick
to go to church," he explains. "The more time I spent away from those people
the more I began to feel like myself. I began to remember who I used to be."
Late in 1991, Caligiuri turned Free Indeed phone lines over to a local
church and closed the ministry's doors. "I'd convinced myself that there
is no need in the world for ex-gay people," he says.
Today, Caligiuri, 31, is studying alternative spiritualities ("I'm interest-
ed in belief systems that aren't judgemental."), considering romance ("But
not with a CHristian!"), and searching for a new project to devote himself to.
"I feel compelled to commit myself to gay causes," he says. "I want to
eventually stop feeling guilty about what I did and make up for the damage I
may have brought to our community."
---end article---
Caligiuri's tory is by no means unique and I have read several other articles
of former leaders and founders of 'ex-gay' ministries who have said very similar th
similar things. Fortuantely not all of them have left Christianity, but have
come to realize that God loves them despite the attitudes of others. Some,
like Chris Glaser, director of the Presbyterian "Lazarus Project" of West
Hollywood Presbyterian Church have actually been working with the gay community
to bring them into the sheepfold of Christ and encouraging real ethical values
of sexuality within the sphere of being gay. I have also, as I said talked and become
and become close friends with many who once attended such groups as "Love In
Action" and others, who either once claimed to have been "reformed" or who
were too honest with themselves to live a lie, no matter who was disappointed
in them. Some were even encouraged to marry as a way of "sealing" their
new heterosexuality, only to eventually start hitting the bars, bathhouses
and bookstores, since these were usually activities under the concealment of
night and one-night-stands of promiscuous behavior meant no continuous "sin"
through a committed relationship. This is a horrible trap which the CHurch
has dumped on the backs of the truly gay oriented people, and the very inno-
cent victims in these cases are the wives and children of such marriages. Yet
the church insists that there are only two options they are willing to allow
gay people: 1) heterosexuality or 2) celebacy. This is sad. What is also
mrtifying, is in the cases of those who cannot suppress their desires and
fear for thier sanity in such a mixed up confusion that the church forces on
them, they may even opt for 'suicide' or surgical dampering of the brain
functions. In the past lobotomies and heavey drug suppressants were common-
place. There are now becoming available more and more literature on the
threat of coercive Christianity toward gays, such as Sylvia Pennington's
_"Ex-Gays? There Are None_. and others. There are also a great many fact
based books being written to help people trapped in this confusion such as
Maury Johnston's _Gays Under Grace_, and Chris Glaser's _Come Hom!_. I
seriously recommend those for people seeking help for this persecution and
self-acceptance.
Thank you.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped
>>my point there. I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances. Sheesh,
>>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle
Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got
out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep.
It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals.
Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru
London with one leg held aloft.
(Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight
climbing shoe.)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
The Quadra 700 goes thru extensive initalize routines of its hardware,
read's PRAM, obtains all info from last session including the volume
setting, and then executes the sound procedure for the startup sound, and
wait's on the SCSI controller to respond to the boot up code.
If the DRAM produces an error, or a registers cannot be read from a device,
or the device corrupts that address/data or control paths, then if it is
possible, the firmware branchs to another sound routine that produces the
'sad mac' sound.
This is a general breifing of the start up procedure of a typical mac.
If you cannot control the volume of the quadra, even at boot up, then i feel
there is something incorrect with the logic board.
My Quadra 700 does not show the problems you are having.
Steve H
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral
exploration.
Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..
You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality.
There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so
expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or
tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends
of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of
the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there
normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and
other expenses you can owe more than what you made.
BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe
600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And
the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks..
Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go
cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the
eco-freaks or the protectionist..
Such fun we have in these interesting times..
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
| 14sci.space |
dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) writes:
>ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
>This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without
>spilling or having someone hold on to them.
I agree. Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me
thirsty, especially for something with caffeine. I consider it a
failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup
holder.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr6.175543.19590@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
|> Thought others on the net might be interested in a selection of findings
|> from the New York Times/CBS News poll on national health care. I'll leave
|> it to Doug Fierro to enter the entire article if he chooses. What follows
|> is a selection of the findings. (Paraphrased without permission. Any
|> errors are mine, not the Times. The NY Times doesn't make mistakes.)
|>
|> [poll results deleted]
The economic and political ignorance of most Americans can be truly scary.
Price controls and government intervention. The surest route to
disaster. It's amazing, people never seem to learn from history (or
common sense). Price controls do not, and cannot work. I would have
thought our last experiment in the 70's would have been enough to
dampen the belief that price controls can actually work. As for
government intervention, people never seem to get the irony of what
the are saying. We are told that entitlements are the biggest portion
of the budget and they must be 'controlled'. We are presented with
horror stories of waste and fraud in almost all government agencies.
We are shown stories about the miserable treatment our veterans get
in our government run hospitals. We are just now seeing stories about
how Social Security isn't going to cut it in the future (as if that
should come as any surprise). And yet, people choose to ignore all
of that and believe in the fairy tale of the government coming to
the rescue. Simply amazing.
James W. Howe internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <29APR199311345485@judy.uh.edu>, wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
-| In article <1993Apr28.200843.83413@embl-heidelberg.de>, tuparev@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE (Georg Tuparev) writes...
-| >
-| >
-| >ANNOUNCEMENT: The "HyperKnowledge" PROJECT for NeXTSTEP
-|
-| I know this is kinda off the subject of sci.space, but not really, I want to
-| answer this for their, as well as everyone else's information. What these
-| people are proposing, by and large already exists and can be purchased today.
-|
-| It is called labview by National Instruments. IT is a wonderful object
-| IT is a wonderful object oriented graphical programming language.
-| [some lines deleted]
I am afraid you are mis-directed. NeXTSTEP is an operating system as opposed to
a package. I have read a little about it but since Steve Jobs does not seem to
have the marketing capabilities of Bill Gates my info. is limited. Probably why
the far inferior Windows NT is going to be more widely distributed (but that
is another flame-ridden story). Some of the innovative features of NeXTSTEP are
binary compatibility across platforms (eg you can just copy your program from
a Sparc to a PC and it would run, as opposed to buying the version of the package
ported to a PC), graphical object-oriented design (its all WSIWIG postscript),
supports parallel hetrogeneous processing, and best of all it is based around
the Mach micro-kernel so you can make it look like Unix with X, or DOS, or NT or
even VMS if you feel the need. No package out there comes even close. I hope
people will subscribe to the HyperKnowledge project and NeXTSTEP finally
takes off in my lifetime :-)
--
| Mail Dr Ata Etemadi, Blackett Laboratory, |
| Space and Atmospheric Physics Group, |
| Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine |
| Internet/Arpanet/Earn/Bitnet atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk or ata@c.mssl.ucl.ac.uk |
| Span SPVA::atae or MSSLC:atae |
| 14sci.space |
In article <C6BAB1.LLt@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:
>: I've only had the computer for about 21 months. Is that a reasonable life
>: cycle for a LCD display?
>
>My Toshiba T1100+ LCD (CGA, 1986) died in 11 months. Replaced under the 12
>month warranty, fortunately. When it died, it died instantly and completely.
I worked in support for a while at a company and we had problems with several
Toshiba 1600's in a short space of time. They were all around 2 years old.
Some screens went completely (as above), others were just "dodgy".
This happened to about 5 or 6 out of, maybe 100. They were fairly reliable up
to then and I don't think it was a special problem with Tosh's (no link to the
company). So I would think that 21 months may not be unreasonable - just
unlucky!
Regards,
Kate. :)|
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Kate Kingman \ cstxqbe@dcs.warwick.ac.uk \ I leave the typos to ~
~ ** The Tall BlondE **\ esudb@csv.warwick.ac.uk \ occupy all the bored ~
~ :)| \ :)| \ people out there. :) ~
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <930420.105805.0x8.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>>In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew
>><mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>>> Which "liberal news media" are we talking about?
>>
>> Western news in general, but in particular the American "mass media":
>> CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole
>> war was one of "those poor, poor Iraqis" along with "look how precisely
>> this cruise missile blew this building to bits".
>
> Most odd. Over here there was very little about the suffering of the Iraqi
> civilians until towards the end of the war; and then it was confined to the
> few remaining quality newspapers.
True. At first, the news media seemed entranced by all the new gizmos
the military was using, not to mention the taped video transmissions from
the missiles as they zeroed in on their targets. But later, and especially
after the bunker full of civilians was hit, they changed their tone. It
seemed to me that they didn't have the stomach for the reality of war,
that innocent people really do die and are maimed in warfare. It's like
they were only pro-Gulf-War as long as it was "nice and clean" (smart
missiles dropping in on military HQs), but not when pictures of dead,
dying, and maimed civilians started cropping up. What naive hypocrites!
>
>>>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2?
>>>> I don't hear you bemoaning them!
[ discussion about blanket-bombing and A-bombs deleted.]
>>>
>> All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were
>> essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick
^^^^^^^^^
>> end to avoid even greater allied losses.
I should have said here "militarily justified". It seems from your
comments below that you understood this as meaning "morally justified".
I apologize.
>
> What about the evidence that America knew Japan was about to surrender after
> Hiroshima but *before* Nagasaki? Is that another lie peddled by the liberal
> media conspiracy?
I have often wondered about this. I've always thought that the first bomb
should have been dropped on Japan's island fortress of Truk. A good,
inpenatrable military target. The second bomb could've been held back
for use on an industrial center if need be. But I digress.
Yes, I have heard that we found evidence (after the war, BTW) that Japan
was seriously considering surrender after the first bomb. Unfortunately,
the military junta won out over the moderates and rejected the US's
ulimatum. Therefore the second bomb was dropped. Most unfortunate, IMO.
>
>> I, for one, don't regret it.
>
> Nuke a Jap for Jesus!
>
I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made
which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the
circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the
suffering caused by those decisions.
[...]
>>> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet?
>>> If Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks
>>> before we started bombing?
>>
>> I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the
>> West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America,
>> misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and
>> threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's
>> oil supply, he had to be stopped.
>
> Oh, I see. So we can overlook his using chemical weapons on thousands of
> people, but if he threatens your right to drive a huge gas-guzzling car,
> well, the man's gotta go.
Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US
and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other
back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't
care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured
in Kuwait (instead of an invasion), then we still wouldn't have acted
because there would not have been the imminent danger perceived to
Saudi Arabia. But the combination of the two, an unprovoked invasion
by a genocidal tyrant AND the potential danger to the West's oil
interests, caused us to take action.
>
> [ I've moved a paragraph from here to later on ]
>
[...]
>>
>> If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would
>> have been appeasement.
>
> Right. But did you ever hear anyone advocate such a course of action? Or
> are you just setting up a strawman?
>
I'm not setting up a strawman at all. If you want to argue against the
war, then the only logical alternative was to allow Hussein to keep
Kuwait. Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective.
>>>> I guess we
>>>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent
>>>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg.
>>>
>>> Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know.
>>
>> Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in
>> his grandiose quest for a "Thousand Year Reich". The consequences
>> stemmed from that.
>
> Translation: "They were asking for it".
>
Well, in a sense, yes. They probably had no idea of what end Hitler
would lead their nation to.
> But what about those who didn't support Hitler's dreams of conquest? It's
> not as if they democratically voted for all his policies. The NSDAP got 43%
> in the elections of 1933, and that was the last chance the German people got
> to vote on the matter.
They suffered along with the rest. Why does this bother you so much?
The world is full of evil, and circumstances are not perfect. Many
innocents suffer due to the wrongful actions of others. It it regretable,
but that's The-Way-It-Is. There are no perfect solutions.
[...]
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and
>>> Tibet.
>>
>> What should I say about them? Anything in particular?
>
> The people of East Timor are still being killed by a dictatorship that
> invaded their country. Hell, even Western journalists have been killed. All
> this was happening before the Gulf War. Why didn't we send in the bombers to
> East Timor? Why aren't we sending in the bombers NOW?
Probably because we're not the saviors of the world. We can't police each
and every country that decides to self-destruct or invade another. Nor
are we in a strategic position to get relief to Tibet, East Timor, or
some other places.
>
> [ Here's that paragraph I moved ]
>
>>> What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't
>>> doing a very good job of it.
>>
>> Well, it's not very "loving" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up
>> nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass
>> slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to
>> say yes, stopping Hussein was the most "loving" thing to do for the
>> most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest.
>
> The Chinese government has a policy of mandatory abortion and sterilization
> of Tibetans. Tibetan people are rounded up, tortured, and executed. Amnesty
> International recently reported that torture is still widespread in China.
>
> Why aren't we stopping them? In fact, why are we actively sucking up to them
> by trading freely with them?
Tell me how we could stop them and I'll support it. I, for one, do not
agree with the present US policy of "sucking up to them" as you put it.
I agree that it is deplorable.
>
>>>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why*
>>>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of "not guilty"?
>>>
>>> Yes. Amongst the things I thought were "Hmm, there's an awful lot of white
>>> people in that jury."
>>
>> So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!!
>
> Erm, surely it's irrelevant who's on trial? Juries are supposed to represent
> a cross-section of the population.
Are they? Or are they supposed to reflect the population of the locale
where the trial is held? (Normally this is where the crime is committed
unless one party or the other can convince the judge a change of venue
is in order.) I'm not an expert on California law, or even US law, but
it seems that this is the way the system is set up. You can criticize
the system, but let's not have unfounded allegations of racial
prejudice thrown around.
>
>> And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers!
>
> You are saying that black people are not the peers of white people?
No, not at all. The point is that the fact that there were no blacks
on the first jury and that Rodney King is black is totally irrelevant.
>
>> This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow.
>
> This idea of people only being tried before a jury of people just like them
> is really stupid. Should the Nuremburg trials have had a jury entirely made
> up of Nazis?
Germans, perhaps. "Peers" doesn't mean "those who do the same thing",
like having murderers judge murderers. It means "having people from
the same station in life", presumably because they are in a better
position to understand the defendent's motivation(s).
>
>>>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those
>>>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape.
>>>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I
>>>> have not seen.
>>>
>>> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on
>>> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have
>>> been.
>>
>> So? It's "hard to imagine"? So when has Argument from Incredulity
>> gained acceptance from the revered author of "Constructing a Logical
>> Argument"?
>
> We're not talking about a logical argument. We're talking about a court of
> law. As the FAQ points out, some fallacious arguments are not viewed as
> fallacies in a court of law.
OK, granted. However, you are using this reasoning as part of *your*
logical argument in this discussion. This is not a court of law.
>
>> If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then
>> I feel the "not guilty" verdict was a reasonable one.
>
> Were you not talking earlier about the bias of the liberal media conspiracy?
>
The media is not totally monolithic. Even though there is a prevailing
liberal bias, programs such as the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour try to give
a balanced and fair reporting of the news. There are even conservative
sources out there if you know where to look. (Hurrah for Rush!)
BTW, I never used the word "conspiracy". I don't accept (without *far*
more evidence) theories that there is some all-pervading liberal
conspiracy attempting to take over all news sources.
>>> "Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing,
>>> in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way,
>>> as unfortunately it cannot be helped."
>>> -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians
>>
>> Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a
>> Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.)
>>
>> Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem
>> contradictory. But then, you know that already.
>
> Ha ha, only serious.
>
> I, an atheist, am arguing against killing innocent people.
>
> You, a supposed Christian, are arguing that it's OK to kill innocent people
> so long as you get some guilty ones as well.
Hardly. I didn't say that it's a Good Thing [tm] to kill innocent people
if the end is just. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and
there are no perfect solutions. If one is going to resist tyranny, then
innocent people on both sides are going to suffer and die. I didn't say
it is OK -- it is unfortunate, but sometimes necessary.
>
> I, a moral relativist, am arguing that saturation bombing of German cities at
> the end of World War II was (as far as I can see) an evil and unnecessary act.
I would agree that it was evil in the sense that it caused much pain
and suffering. I'm not so sure that it was unnecessary as you say. That
conclusion can only be arrived at by evaluating all the factors involved.
And perhaps it *was* unnecessary as (let's say) we now know. That doesn't
mean that those who had to make the decision to bomb didn't see it as
being necessary. Rarely can one have full known of the consequences of
an action before making a decision. At the time it may have seemed
necessary enough to go ahead with it.
But don't assume that I feel the bombing was *morally* justified -- I
don't! I just don't condemn those who had to make a difficult
decision under difficult circumstances.
>
> You, having criticised moral relativism in the past, are now arguing that I am
> in no position to judge the morality of allied actions at the end of the
> War.
You certainly are not in such a position if you are a moral relativist.
I, as an absolutist, am in a position to judge, but I defer judgment.
> You are arguing that the actions need to be assessed in the particular
> context of the time, and that they might have been moral then but not moral
> now.
Wrong. They were neither moral then nor now. They seemed necessary to
those making the decisions to bring a quick end to the war. I simply
refuse to condemn them for their decision.
>
> Where's your Christian love? Where's your absolute morality? Oh, how quick
> you are to discard them when it suits you. As Ivan Stang would say, "Jesus
> would puke!"
One day I will stand before Jesus and give account of every word and action;
even this discourse in this forum. I understand the full ramifications of
that, and I am prepared to do so. I don't believe that you can make the
same claim.
>
> mathew
And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was
because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being
"so deplorable". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing
wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a
decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War,
precision bombing was the norm. So the point was, why make a big
stink about the relatively few civilian casualties that resulted
*in spite of* precision bombing, when so many more civilians
(proportionately and quantitatively) died under the blanket bombing
in WW2? Even with precision bombing, mistakes happen and some
civilians suffer. But less civilians suffered in this war than
any other iany other in history! Many Iraqi civilians went about their lives
with minimal interference from the allied air raids. The stories
of "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk.
Yes, bunk. The US lost 230,000 servicemen in WW2 over four years
and the majority of them were directly involved in fighting! But
we are expected to swallow that "hundreds of thousands" of
*civilian* Iraqis died in a war lasting about 2 months! And with
the Allies using the most precise bombs ever created at that!
What hogwash. If "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi civilians died,
it was due to actions Hussein took on his own people, not due to
the Allied bombing.
Regards,
Jim B.
| 0alt.atheism |
Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the
Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward
hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc.
For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the
hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can
no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've
checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so).
I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits.
Any suggestions?
--
Andrew C. Payne
DEC Cambridge Research Lab
| 12sci.electronics |
I am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway.
About five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes
under one of her arms. After the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement
of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it. Over the course of
the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced
the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain. At this time her doctor
suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue.
While attending one of her therapy sessions, while her arm was being
manipulated, some damage occured (nerve?) which caused the level of pain to permanently
increase severly (controlled by Tylenol 3s) and some loss of use of the arm (
palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement). With great persistence on her part
the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had
been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm. This was removed also but the
pain in the arm has not decreased. The doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is
persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed Tylenol 3
and soon Morphine to relieve the pain. She has tried acupuncture by this only provides
minor reductions in pain and is only short term.
My questions are:
Has anyone has heard of similar cases and what, if anything, was done to reduce the
levels of pain?
Are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced?
Are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored?
Any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated.
Please respond by email because I do not always get chance to read this group.
If anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup
that I should be posting this to it would also be appreciated.
--
Gregory W. Luft Internet: vgwlu@calgary.chevron.com
Chevron Petroleum Techonology Company Tel: (403) 234-6238
500, Fifth Ave. S.W. Fax: (403) 234-5215
Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2P 0L7
| 13sci.med |
@EID:B486 85210000
I have a 120 mb hard drive. What should I set the compression ratio at
using DOS'S double disk? Do I have to format erase everything to double
the full 120 mb to 240? Can I just make a mirror of my hard drive? Thanx
4 the help!
Darren Lavallee
--- WM v2.08/92-0279
* Origin: 705-256-CSRN 35,000+ FILES, 6 Lines, INTERNET/USENET, 1(1:222
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
>Does anyone know of software that will allow
>you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files
>containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the
>only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.
>
>Jeff Lyall
I used this combination for a while - A QCR-Z recorder,
I think - and as far as I remember Corel can EXPORT in
SCODAL (.scd) format. Just select 'EXPORT' on the main
file menu. This may not be implemented in earlier versions,
of course, in which case you're on your own!!!
Also, I seem to think that the s/w for the QCR-Z (at the time)
did strange (and very undesirable) things if ANY part of the
pic was outside the screen area on Corel. I once spent an
afternoon painfully discovering that ONE pixel had somehow
strayed off-screen, causing my whole slide to be blank!!!
The QCR-Z also couldn't handle grad-fill over grad-fill -
so if you use a graduated colour background, if you then
grad-fill an object on top of this, the fill appears on the
final slide as a circle (I think) and TOTALLY IGNORES the
shape of the object being filled!!!
Of course, if the recorder isn't a QCR, you can ignore all
this and feel suitably :-)
Cheers, Toby.
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___! !___! . \/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___
___! Toby Freeman !___! !\ /! !__/ __ \__! !__/ .__!_!. .__!___
___! Glasgow University !___! !_\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______
___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\___ \__! !______
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <jam.19.735404158@ameslab.gov>, jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry
Musselman) wrote:
>
> I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following:
> -250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity
> -ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin)
> -IRQ on character received
>
> I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do
> break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc...
>
> Any help would be appriciated!!!
Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a "character" containing
all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt. This
means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit
time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK. There is no special way to
detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal
generated by UARTs, etc.
Alan Mimms (alan@apple.com, ...!apple!alan) | My opinions are generally
Portable Macintosh Software Group | pretty worthless, but
Apple Computer | they *are* my own...
Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is
calculating.
-- Steven K. Roberts in "Computing Across America"
| 12sci.electronics |
I guess the real question is:
Who asked the original questions, and why was it so _broad_.
Are we talking pure processing power (what kind of processing BTW)
isolated from every other factor and influence in the system?
Or are we shopping for a home computer based on the CPU specs (yuck)!
I just finished a project that involves real-time processing of serial
data and discovered that the programming interface (assembly) has
_a lot_ to do with the "power" of a CPU in a particular application.
If what you want to do is easy to code with the instruction set given,
then not only is it easy, but it's cheap and quick. If you have to
fake things (like resolving indirection without a LEA instruction), then
your cycle count goes through the roof!
well, let's _NOT_ start a flame war about whose computer is better than whose.
The orginal question was about classifying micro-processors...
having re-read the entire thread, I don't think much more can be said without
getting down into specific proposed systems with important details given.
That's it for another $0.02.
Cheers everyone.
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Peter Pundy
Email: 2545500@jeff-lab.queensu.ca
"I've got no witty wisdom to share, but have a nice day anyway."
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Due to some problems with my IDE drive, I LL formatted the Maxitor7213AT.
Now it started to give me some errors in some applications. I was told
Maxitor has a utility called IDE_INT in their BBS, anyone tried it? Can
some one tell me what that BBS number is? Or better, can I find the file
in some ftp site? Or perhaps someone can email it to me? Thanks.
Feng
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1qt1f3$o7o@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes:
} The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With
} Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats
} will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with
} Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching!
} Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep
} the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out
} Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back.
nice woofing (or should i say meowing?).
and yes, the Tiggers are a fun, exciting team that i would pay to see.
but last year, they went 75-87. this year, their offense is essentially
the same, and their pitching is, at best, essentially the same. so why
do you think they will suddenly improve to win the 92 or so games which will
be required to win the A.L. East? what has changed that i don't see?
remember, a 20-4 win is worth as much in the standings as a 3-2 win...
-*-
charles
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Posted to the Internet by wmiler@nyx.cs.du.edu
000062David42 041493003715
The Lunar Tele-operation Model One (LTM1)
=========================================
By David H. Mitchell
March 23, 1993
INTRODUCTION:
In order to increase public interest in space-based and lunar operations, a
real miniature lunar-like environment is being constructed on which to test
tele-operated models. These models are remotely-controlled by individuals
located world-wide using their personal computers, for EduTainment
purposes.
Not only does this provide a test-bed for simple tele-operation and
tele-presence activities but it also provides for the sharing of
information
on methods of operating in space, including, but not limited to, layout of
a
lunar colony, tele-operating machines for work and play, disseminating
educational information, providing contests and awards for creativity and
achievement and provides a new way for students worldwide to participate in
Twenty-First century remote learning methods.
Because of the nature of the LTM1 project, people of all ages, interests
and
skills can contribute scenery and murals, models and structures,
interfacing
and electronics, software and graphics. In operation LTM1 is an evolving
playground and laboratory that can be used by children, students and
professionals worldwide. Using a personal computer at home or a terminal at
a participating institution a user is able to tele-operate real models at
the
LTM1 base for experimental or recreational purposes. Because a real
facility
exists, ample opportunity is provided for media coverage of the
construction
of the lunar model, its operation and new features to be added as suggested
by the users themselves.
This has broad inherent interest for a wide range of groups:
- tele-operations and virtual reality research
- radio control, model railroad and ham radio operation
- astronomy and space planetariums and science centers
- art and theater
- bbs and online network users
- software and game developers
- manufacturers and retailers of model rockets, cars and trains
- children
- the child in all of us
LTM1 OVERALL DESIGN:
A room 14 feet by 8 feet contains the base lunar layout. The walls are used
for murals of distant moon mountains, star fields and a view of the earth.
The "floor" is the simulated lunar surface. A global call for contributions
is hereby made for material for the lunar surface, and for the design and
creation of scale models of lunar colony elements, scenery, and
machine-lets.
The LTM1 initial design has 3 tele-operated machinelets:
1. An SSTO scale model which will be able to lift off, hover and land;
2. A bulldozerlet which will be able to move about in a quarry area; and
3. A moon-train which will traverse most of the simulated lunar surface.
Each machinelet has a small TV camera utilizing a CCD TV chip mounted on
it. A personal computer digitizes the image (including reducing picture
content and doing data-compression to allow for minimal images to be sent
to the operator for control purposes) and also return control signals.
The first machinelet to be set up will be the moon-train since model trains
with TV cameras built in are almost off-the-shelf items and control
electronics for starting and stopping a train are minimal. The user will
receive an image once every 1 to 4 seconds depending on the speed of their
data link to LTM1.
Next, an SSTO scale model with a CCD TV chip will be suspended from a
servo-motor operated wire frame mounted on the ceiling allowing for the
SSTO
to be controlled by the operator to take off, hover over the entire lunar
landscape and land.
Finally, some tank models will be modified to be CCD TV chip equipped
bulldozerlets. The entire initial LTM1 will allow remote operators
worldwide
to receive minimal images while actually operating models for landing and
takeoff, traveling and doing work. The entire system is based on
commercially
available items and parts that can be easily obtained except for the
interface electronics which is well within the capability of many advanced
ham radio operator and computer hardware/software developers.
By taking a graphically oriented communications program (Dmodem) and adding
a tele-operations screen and controls, the necessary user interface can be
provided in under 80 man hours.
PLAN OF ACTION:
The Diaspar Virtual Reality Network has agreed to sponsor this project by
providing a host computer network and Internet access to that network.
Diaspar is providing the 14 foot by 8 foot facility for actual construction
of the lunar model. Diaspar has, in stock, the electronic tanks that can be
modified and one CCD TV chip. Diaspar also agrees to provide "rail stock"
for the lunar train model. Diaspar will make available the Dmodem graphical
communications package and modify it for control of the machines-lets.
An initial "ground breaking" with miniature shovels will be performed for
a live photo-session and news conference on April 30, 1993. The initial
models will be put in place. A time-lapse record will be started for
historical purposes. It is not expected that this event will be completely
serious or solemn. The lunar colony will be declared open for additional
building, operations and experiments. A photographer will be present and
the photographs taken will be converted to .gif images for distribution
world-wide to major online networks and bbs's. A press release will be
issued
calling for contributions of ideas, time, talent, materials and scale
models
for the simulated lunar colony.
A contest for new designs and techniques for working on the moon will then
be
announced. Universities will be invited to participate, the goal being to
find instructors who wish to have class participation in various aspects of
the lunar colony model. Field trips to LTM1 can be arranged and at that
time
the results of the class work will be added to the model. Contributors will
then be able to tele-operate any contributed machine-lets once they return
to
their campus.
A monthly LTM1 newsletter will be issued both electronically online and via
conventional means to the media. Any major new tele-operated equipment
addition will be marked with an invitation to the television news media.
Having a large, real model space colony will be a very attractive photo
opportunity for the television community. Especially since the "action"
will
be controlled by people all over the world. Science fiction writers will be
invited to issue "challenges" to engineering and human factors students at
universities to build and operate the tele-operated equipment to perform
lunar tasks. Using counter-weight and pulley systems, 1/6 gravity may be
simulated to some extent to try various traction challenges.
The long term goal is creating world-wide interest, education,
experimentation
and remote operation of a lunar colony. LTM1 has the potential of being a
long
term global EduTainment method for space activities and may be the generic
example of how to teach and explore in many other subject areas not limited
to space EduTainment. All of this facilitates the kind of spirit which can
lead to a generation of people who are ready for the leap to the stars!
CONCLUSION:
EduTainment is the blending of education and entertainment. Anyone who has
ever enjoyed seeing miniatures will probably see the potential impact of a
globally available layout for recreation, education and experimentation
purposes. By creating a tele-operated model lunar colony we not only create
world-wide publicity, but also a method of trying new ideas that require
real
(not virtual) skills and open a new method for putting people's minds in
space.
MOONLIGHTERS:
"Illuminating the path of knowledge about space and lunar development."
The following people are already engaged in various parts of this work:
David42, Rob47, Dash, Hyson, Jzer0, Vril, Wyatt, The Dark One, Tiggertoo,
The Mad Hatter, Sir Robin, Jogden.
Come join the discussion any Friday night from 10:30 to midnight PST in
Diaspar Virtual Reality Network. Ideas welcome!
Internet telnet to: 192.215.11.1 or diaspar.com
(voice) 714-376-1776
(2400bd) 714-376-1200
(9600bd) 714-376-1234
Email inquiries to LTM1 project leader Jzer@Hydra.unm.edu
or directly to Jzer0 on Diaspar.
| 14sci.space |
I have two UN-opened, NEW Epson Action Printers 2250 for sale.
List price at CompUSA is $169, I'm asking $100 + shipping for each.
My friend and I got the printers at a promotional event at one of
the CompUSA stores near our area. We didn't need printers, so we're
selling it.
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <schneck.735153129@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) writes:
>nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes:
>
>>> The problem occurs during the initial "make World". When
>>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find
>>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program "ld"
>>> which was updated for 4_1_3.
>>>
>
>> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static
>>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(.
>
>Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld.
Or read fixes 9, 10, and 11 to the MIT distribution. This is a known
problem - just apply those fixes and set SunPost411FCSLd to YES and
OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to 3.
In fix-09:
|If you are running SunOS 4.1.1 and you apply Sun's ld patch 100170-6,
|then you will need to edit your site.def and add this line to the
|AfterVendorCF section:
|
|#define SunPost411FCSLd YES
In fix-10:
|If you are running SunOS 4.1.2, change OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to
|have a value of 2.
In fix-11:
|Brief notes on what this patch fixes:
|
|config: make on SunOS 4.1.2 fails unless tree previously built in
Sean Welch
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr20.210651.5687@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>Although I'm an atheist, the events in Waco have really sickened me. It's
>>truely a sad day for religious freedom in this country. The Branch
>>Dividians may have been nutty (my general opinion of all religious people),
>>but tax evasion and illegal possesion of firearms are certainly not grounds
>>for destroying a people.
>
>Excuse me? WHO destroyed the BD's? Last I knew, they burned themselves...
Where did you get this information? The FBI stated they were not
aware of any mass suicide plans, ditto Koresh's attorneys who appeared
on Larry King's Live yesterday, and the survivors claim the fire was started
from the outside...
>Prove to me that the FBI, ATF, or the Government in general either burned
>the compound themselves, or that the BD's had no choice but to commit
>mass suicide rather than coming out peacefully (a promise that was made
>twice by Koresh himself, which he broke both times).
>
>--
>John Mechalas "I'm not an actor, but
>mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu I play one on TV."
>Aero Engineering, Purdue University #include disclaimer.h
--
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <May.11.02.36.45.1993.28090@athos.rutgers.edu> news@cbnewsk.att.com writes:
>Paul repeatedly talks about the
>"thorn" in his side, some think it refers to lust, others pride, but
>who knows. Whatever the thorn was, apparently it was not "compatible"
>with Christianity, yet does that make his epistles any less?
There is no reason to believe that Paul's thorn in the flesh was
a sin in his life. That makes little sense in the light of Paul'
writings taken in totality. He writes of how he presses for the
mark, and keeps his body submitted. No doubt Paul had to struggle
with the flesh just like every Christian. Paul does associate his
thorn with a Satanic messenger, and with physical infirmities and tribulation,
but not with a sin in his life.
Link Hudson.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
CBW790S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext (Corey Webb) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.160944.20236W@baron.edb.tih.no>
>havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) writes:
>>
>>Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame
>>of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other
>>picture formats.
>>
>
> If you have the GRASP animation system, then yes, it's quite easy.
>You simply use GLIB to extract the image (each "frame" in a .GL is
>actually a complete .PCX or .CLP file), then use one of MANY available
>utilities to convert it. If you don't have the GRASP package, I'm afraid
>I can't help you. Sorry.
> By the way, before you ask, GRASP (GRaphics Animation System for
>Professionals) is a commercial product that sells for just over US$300
>from most mail-order companies I've seen. And no, I don't have it. :)
>
>
> Corey Webb
>
There are several public domain utilities available at your usual
archive site that allow 'extraction' of single frames from a .gl
file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp. The problem
is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of
the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome!
Let me know if you have problems locating the utilities.
Hope it helps.
--
Jacques Oberto <oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it>
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <734953838.AA00509@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes:
>
>So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon,
>heating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in
>the main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the
>starter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out
>(O/C).
Imprecise. This description
1. ignores the role of the ballast,
2. misrepresents the heating effects in the starter.
The bimetalic strip cools down immediately after the contacts
short circuit, because the neon discharge stops, and much less
heat is generated from the I^2R loss in the metal as compared to
the neon discharge.
The starter contacts open before the tube fires. Actually,
the tube fires as a result of the back-emf generated in the ballast
because of this immediate opening of the starter's contacts.
A capacitor is connected in parallel with the contacts to prevent
excessive arcing during the firing. The neon reionizes but does not draw
sufficient current to prevent firing of the tube itself.
--
Mustafa Kocaturk mustafa@seas.smu.edu EE Dept., Room 305A, Caruth Bldg.
Home: 214-706-5954 Office: 214-768-1475 SMU Box 753190, Dallas, TX 75275
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <mssC52qMx.768@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
>Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!)
>he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was
>returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now
>his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your
>point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now
>he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball.
>Duh.
Methinks you recall wrong. Mitchell hit close to .300 in Atlanta and
continued to walk alot after his promotion. He was then (I think) left
off the playoff roster, and started the next year in the minors where
even the Braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad
at going back down.
he struggled last year, no doubt, but even the Braves blamed part of it
on the demotion. I'd much rather have Mitchell than say Mark Whiten on
the Cards.
Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."
George Gervin on being an assistant coach
********************************************************************************
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
|real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
|doesn't defecate much. =:-]
But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or
more!!!
Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
| 8rec.motorcycles |
FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote:
: Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ?
: Thank you for helping
No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some
of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let
you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading.
douginoz
| 1comp.graphics |
scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about
>a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the
>networks also have to begin soon.
Preliminary negotiations started already, I believe. Though the word
is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly.
Greg
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr21.225146.20804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
> The macroevolutionary tree is full of holes. (Please show me a few
> intermediate forms between reptile and bird.)
Are you so ignorant that you have never heard of _Archaeopteryx_?
> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
The special creation "theory" is nothing but holes. Please show me a
species poofed into existence by your god. I have never seen this.
Chris Colby --- email: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu ---
"'My boy,' he said, 'you are descended from a long line of determined,
resourceful, microscopic tadpoles--champions every one.'"
--Kurt Vonnegut from "Galapagos"
| 19talk.religion.misc |
ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes:
>It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM.
>Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2
>liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would
>cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck).
>What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to
>time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach,
>but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast
>as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up
>at a stop light.
Sometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The
pull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold
weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the
fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a
normal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply
suction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will
cause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced.
Bernie Lofaso
Applied Research Labs
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1rh9b0INN2r4@snoopy.cis.ufl.edu> ruck@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Ruckstuhl) writes:
>I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know what solvent I should
>use to clean duct-tape adhesive from carpet?
>Someone taped wires to the carpet, and now it is time to move out.
>
I don't know for sure that this will work, but you might try MEK (methyl
ethyl keytone?). It worked getting the stickum left over from shelf paper,
and is available at paint stores. Use a carbon gas mask and lots of
ventilation--this stuff really stinks!
- Dan
| 12sci.electronics |
From: New Liberation News Service <nlns>
Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face
/* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */
/* ---------- "NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93" ---------- */
Fascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of
Anyone?
Daevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge
"The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that
Hitler was original and showed initiative."
--Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network,
October 27, 1992.
(NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of
Mein Kampf and Limbaugh's transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to
Be before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl's was
independent and sharp as a scalpel.
My effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort's. At
least it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I'd mention the
idea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for
delivery.
Those reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the
most peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are
noted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with
passion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in
fact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost
identical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German
election). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and
enthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their
ideological quilt.
The last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening
pages of both books. Hitler's example is when, on page 5, he claims the
German nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway
line between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923)
was "betrayed to France by a representative of his government" when
there has never been any factual foundation for such a statement.
In fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as
the Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost
succeeded. Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic
claim in his introduction that "in a school or during a commencement
ceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional." Of
course, it's not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of
God against an individual's will that's unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is
too gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that.
Of course, one would assume that, by comparing the two books,
my main point would be that The Way Things Ought to Be is the modern
American Mein Kampf. Not really. At the time of the first German version
of Mein Kampf, Hitler was just four months out of prison (June, 1925),
and trying to reorganize the Nazis. He used the book to build his dozen
million followers. Limbaugh, on the other hand, came up with his book
after building his dozen million. Twelve million went a longer way in
Weimar Germany that it does in the Republicrat United States.
Thus, the more accurate parallels would be that Limbaugh's daily
three-hour radio show is the American Mein Kampf, the primary
propoganda tool used to pump up the angry volume; and that The Way
Things Ought to Be is actually the American Triumph of the Will, a
translation of the same fascist message into a different medium. Also, the
printed word was the more important medium in Weimar Germany, since
radio was still being thought of by impoverished Germans as a medium of
luxury in 1925. Today, on the other hand, Americans are more likely to
spend a few seconds to tune a radio dial at no monetary charge than drop
$22 for 304 pages of transcripts of the same words.
But, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some
cloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of
their propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these
days.)
Mort might not know exactly who Rush's equivalent of Rodolf
Hess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of
ABC radio and now Limbaugh's partner in EFM Media, the radio
program's production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk
show, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He
knows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows
that Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the
opportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh
earns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it's almost worthy of a
RICO indictment.
On questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of
material in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler's venom. For
example:
On Their Own Qualifications to Control Society
Hitler: "Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who
individually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly
perhaps understand it, one man [author's emphasis] must step forward in
order to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of
imagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight
for their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of
thought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises"
(page 577).
Limbaugh: "Who needs the media when they've got me? ... The
show is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase "with half my
brain tied behind my back to make it even"] denotes the egress of mental
aptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree
with me ... It might take four or five years, but I'm convinced The Media
will slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking
and screaming all the way." (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.)
On Religion as the Basis of a Nation
Hitler: "In this world human culture and civilization are
inseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his
decline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without
culture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord
sins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the
expulsion from Paradise." (Page 581.)
Limbaugh: "America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ...
But our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or
ambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a
charming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools
for the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of
American education has declined ever since?" (pages 274-5.)
On Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse
Hitler: "The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ...
One has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and
theatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ...
Theatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays
must be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the
service of a moral idea of State and culture." (pages 346 and 348.)
Limbaugh: "Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that
Hollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people
who believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality
and monagamy. They disparage American heroes." (page 254.)
On the News Meida
Hitler: "The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of
gravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass
by in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it's task is only to break the
people's folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of
slavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews." (Page 331.)
Limbaugh: "Elements of The Media have jumped on the
bandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been
replaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During
the Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global
network. We can't take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don't
realize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that
therefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided
and, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania." (pages 270 and 268.)
* * *
To continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but
ultimately too depressing to take in one reading.
After putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that
haunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened
Germans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed
Germans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s,
Rush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to
depressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American
radical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the
Reagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for
The Fascist States of America.
And if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the
radical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only
wonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on.
The Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701-
0845; (608) 255-4460.
--- 30 ---
| 18talk.politics.misc |
swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes:
> Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will
> show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would
> be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for
> sure???
>
>
> Jeff Swartz
It's going to be the Stars - Wings game
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5vzHF.D5K@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:
> WASHINGTON (UPI) -- As part of its investigation of the deadly
> confrontation with a Texas cult, Congress will consider whether the
> Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be moved from the
> Treasury Department to the Justice Department, senators said Wednesday.
> The idea will be considered because of the violent and fatal events
> at the beginning and end of the agency's confrontation with the Branch
> Davidian cult.
Of course. When the catbox begines to smell, simply transfer its
contents into the potted plant in the foyer.
"Why Hillary! Your government smells so... FRESH!"
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In <C5npy2.LI3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes:
>Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 .
> 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 .
But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips
you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at
200 MHz.
>>680040
>>486
>As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 .
But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version,
making it "comparable" to a 486DX2-80
>Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola "equivalents"
>although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance
>is something that is highly debatable.
I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock
cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the
Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction
is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any
intelligent memory subsystem.
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
1) I have an old Jasmine drive which I cannot use with my new system.
My understanding is that I have to upsate the driver with a more modern
one in order to gain compatability with system 7.0.1. does anyone know
of an inexpensive program to do this? ( I have seen formatters for <$20
buit have no idea if they will work)
2) I have another ancient device, this one a tape drive for which
the back utility freezes the system if I try to use it. THe drive is a
jasmine direct tape (bought used for $150 w/ 6 tapes, techmar
mechanism). Essentially I have the same question as above, anyone know
of an inexpensive beckup utility I can use with system 7.0.1
all help and advice appriciated.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article 23791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) writes:
>In article <C56HDM.945@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>>
>>Well Actually its a case of Resolving whether one
>>Supports Biblical Literalism, and the Enerrancy of the Bible,
>>or Whether on wished to Jump On the SeXularHumanist,
>>Detain all the True Christians in Death Camps approach
>>of the Northern Liberal Abolitionists and their EFFORTS
>>to Destroy the Bible, Corrupt the Moral Fibre of American
>>and Lead the God Fearing into the Bondage of Liberal Degeneracy.
>>
>>But I guess one needs to know a little about the bible,
>>christianity and american history.....
>
>Mt. St. Helens didn't spew such crap. How do you manage,
>drieux, day in & day out, to keep it up??
So which are you advocating?
That You know Nothing About American History,
Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible?
Is this a Restoration of the "Know Nothing" Party?
ciao
drieux
ps: what WAS the "Free Negro Sailor Act" about,
and what was the Supreme Court's Ruling On it... and
More Importantly, how does this Complicate the Mythology
that all blacks were slaves????
---
"All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!
All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"
-Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr22.220456.377@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
>In article <93111.185620NXM122@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXM122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>The Giants have won 8 of their last 10 games behind some solid pitching
>>(excluding that 13-12 win against Atlanta). If they can stay around first
>>place after say the first 50 games, I think they've got a legitimate chance
>>at winning the pennant (and maybe even more than that).
>
>Don't you remember that the Giants were in 1st place as late as
>June last year? Then their pitching collapsed.... Their problem
>is they have (optimistically) only 2-3 good starting pitchers
>(Swift,Brantly,and the bowler(can't remember his name)); the
>other starters are extremely unreliable and often get blasted
>before 4 innings... that means the already shallow bullpen gets
>over worked. This means after a few months, the bullpen collapses
>and their post-all-star record tends to be much worst than
>their pre-all-star record.
THe bowler is John Burkett, who went to 4-0 last night. He is
a bargain pickup on my roto team, I got him at a minimum of $5.
> Just a thought... does someone have the won/lost pre/post
>allstar records for the Giants the last few seasons? I bet
>their records tends to be worst and worst as the season goes on.
>
This is not really true. Excluding last season, the Giants
has been a better 2nd half team. In 1991, they had a hot August
to pull to within a few games of the Braves and Dodgers before
fading in September.
The Giants may go back to earth, but not as fast as last
season for two reasons:
(1) Barry Bonds
(2) Roger Craig is no longer the manager. Dusty can manage
his pitching staffs much better than Craig.
Edward Hui
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr27.060740.3068@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> gary@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Gary Taylor) writes:
>Could anyone give me information on Umbilical hernias.
>The patient is over weight and has a protruding hernia.
>
>Surgery may be risky due to the obesity.
>What other remedies could I try?
Unless the patient has a very short life expectancy, the possible complications
from a hernia that hasn't been repaired far outweigh the risks of surgery.
The risks of surgery, anyway, are minimal. Unless they are exceedingly large,
hernias can be fixed under local anesthesia.
Don't forget that hernias are one the leading causes of small bowel obstruction.
And the smaller the hernia is, the higher the chances that a loop of bowel will
become incarcerated or strangulated.
===============================
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
| 13sci.med |
If by chance you answered my request for NEO Asteroids in the last two days
please send them to me directly. I by mistake deleted instead of read
all the space-request messages .
Thanks and sorry.
Harry G. Osoff
Science & Technology Editor
Access News Network
jukebox@mcimail.com
| 14sci.space |
In article <kingoz.735066879@camelot>, kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:
> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning
> it was. Are they still, officially?
> If so, why? and how did they receive this label?
There is NO TEAM, repeat, NO TEAM, that is America's team. This is a diverse
country with 26 MLB teams (+2 up north) and there is no one team that is
America's. Who would the other teams belong to?
And how does it happen? Well, teams receive this monicker through success
(Cowboys), national exposure (Cubs), or both (Braves). It spreas aby
successful advertising campaigns. Harry Caray, Ted Turner, amd other dupe
people into thinking that their representative teams are "hip" so that people
will watch them on TV and buy their products. Arrogant local fans adapt the
monicker and think that "their" team is the one that America idolize
It comes down to dollars and egos.
P. Tierney
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS
Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday
April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate
points.
1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of
misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the
program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows:
- It was alleged that:" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological
advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of
change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. "!
These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives
of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology
in Iran after revolution.
-Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors
while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen
Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in
contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and
civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons.
- While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi
aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most
radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total
of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million
dead left from the war.
- The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For
example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: " It hurts me to
see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda." The
translator says: " It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly
research."!
2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought
by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to
undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's
big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in
near future and its current deficit in electrical power.
3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of
Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the
program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed
society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account
the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its
potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the
lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries
to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones
in scientific and industrial efforts.
4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as
much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from
Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited
by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's
reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear
activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build
nuclear weapons!
5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the
program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs,
William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking
from the absolute knowledge!
I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their
country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to
their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs
and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations.
Mohammad
[*] International Atomic Energy Agency
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Although simplistic I have always liked the fact that "a Christian is one
who not only believes in God, but believes God." After all the name was
first given externally to identify those who "preached Christ and Him
crucified" to pay the price of their rebeliion and shortcomings before
God. God said this was His son -- I belive Him.
--
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University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024
Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450
[It's certainly a good things for Christians to follow. But as
a definition it may be a bit hard to apply. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
> Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable)
> when stored on a concrete floor?
When will people learn!
The trouble is the ballast in the concrete and as every fool knows Ballast
resistors are used to discharge batteries. Furthermore it is very silly to
store the battery with the terminals downwards as you must have done to
contact the ballast.
Seriously: self discharge (the actual problem, as stated by others) does vary
greatly with certain types and freaks show low self discharge. I have in
fact seen ordinary automotive batteries which have effectively held full
charge for > 2 years so it must be possible.
If your garage is heated, store the batteries somewhere cooler but above
freezing (flat batteries freeze more easily). Occasionally charge it (once a
month?) or even leave it on 'float' charge permanently (special charger,
DON'T do this unless you know what you are doing, seriously dangerous).
Anouther point is the unsuitability of automotive batteries for things like
electric mowers -- they are not generally designed to be repeatedly deep
discharged and their life may be greatly shorted. Some early zero maintenance
automotive batteries in fact responded to a full discharge with total failure
shortly afterwards but modern ones are superb. (6yrs, 95000 miles and
counting)
TC.
E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk
| 12sci.electronics |
>
> I am trying to use XCopyPlane to copy a single plane
> from a depth-8 pixmap to a depth-1 pixmap. Everytime I
> try this, I see absolutely nothing displayed. I know there
> is data in the depth-8 pixmap becuase I have checked by doing
> an XCopyArea to the screen.
>
> I have been successful getting XCopyPlane to work if I use
> two pixmaps of depth-8. Is there a problem with what I am
> trying to do??
>
> Could someone please scan my code segment and let me know
> where I am going wrong...
>
> I have created a XmDrawingArea widget called canvas.
>
> w_id = XtWindow(canvas);
> display = XtDisplay(canvas);
> screen = DefaultScreen (display);
> pixmap8 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen),
> w_width, w_height, DefaultDepth (display, screen));
> pixmap1 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen),
> w_width, w_height, 1);
>
> w_gc8 = XCreateGC (display, w_id, 0, NULL);
> w_gc1 = XCreateGC (display, pixmap1, 0, NULL);
>
> --> Code to read xwd image into pixmap8 is omitted <----
>
Have you set the foreground and background colors in w_gc1 to
something other than 0 and 1? The WhitePixel and BlackPixel macros
on your server may not return values suitable for depth 1 drawables.
> /* Copy one plane into the depth-1 pixmap */
> XCopyPlane (display, pixmap8, pixmap1,
> w_gc1, 0, 0, w_width, w_height, 0, 0, 16);
>
Are you sure that the fifth plane of the data isn't all the same? You could
have different pixel values in the image, but the fifth plane (0x10 == 16)
might all be the same value?
> /* Using the depth-1 pixmap as the clipmask, copy it to the screen */
> values.foreground = fg_color;
> values.clip_x_origin = 0;
> values.clip_y_origin = 0;
> values.clip_mask = pixmap1;
> mask = GCForeground | GCClipMask;
> XChangeGC (display, w_gc8, mask, &values);
>
> XFillRectangle (display, w_id, w_gc8, 0, 0, w_width, w_height);
>
If you just want to see the plane of data and want better performance,
don't use ClipMasks, just use pixmap1 as the stipple in a stippled
rectangle fill. Many servers are very stupid about handling complex
clip lists, and turn a bitmap clip region into hundreds and hundreds of
little clipping rectangles, and clips every drawing primitive against every
one of these little triangles.
Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics
don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your
rectangle?
> Other Info: X11R5 Patchlevel 10
> Motif 1.2.1
> Sun Sparc2 running SunOS 4.1.1
>
>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
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| 5comp.windows.x |
>
>> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.
>> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject
>> themselves with jeezus and live with that high.
Why would you say "especially Christianity"?
Mark
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Somewhere or other I read that when a person of Chinese heritage was
told that he had high blood pressure he responded by eating celery
(sorry, I don't recall the "dosage"). Apparently this is supposed to
work in reducing hypertension.
Can anyone out there verify this? And if it does work, does anyone
know the appropriate amounts and possible side-effects?
Thanks,
Leon Traister (lmtra@uts.amdahl.com)
| 13sci.med |
>Has anybody bought a Pentium motherboard? If so or you where I can
>buy it, please send me a E-mail. Thank you in advance.
Pentium processors / motherboards are not available to the general public as
of yet. Intel has released them to companies such as Gateway and Dell
to do testing, etc. It'll be a while...
------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1qkn1t$59l@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <1qk1pp$6hj@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>|In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>|>In article <sandvik-140493230024@sandvik-kent.apple.com# sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>|>#You now pushed down the defintion of objectivity into realm of
>|>#objective values. So you need to explain that as well, as well
>|>#as the objective sub-parts, the objective atoms, quarks...
>|>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round.
>|You keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it
>|means.
>|Perhaps you should explain what you think "science has it's basis
>|in values" means. The reason why people DO science is that
>|they value it's results. That does not mean that science has
>|it's basis in values. Any more than DES stops working if I stop
>|valuing my privacy.
>It's partly as you say: the reason why people do science is that they value it's
>results.
Right.
> If one follows relativism to the letter, then, the theories
>and predictions which are the results of science can only be subjectively
>valued as 'objective', 'correct', or anything else.
Twaddle. You're overloading the meaning of the word "value",
that's all. Whether I care if the results are true is a "value".
I fail to see how whether they are true (correct, whatever) is
a value.
> One cannot attach
>any objective worth to the results of science, for the simple reason
>that one cannot attach objective worth to anything.
You're overloading the value of worth, too.
Like I said before, DES works whether I value my privacy or
not.
-Ekr
--
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Would you buy used code from this man?
| 19talk.religion.misc |
DB>LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is.
DB>Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly
DB>containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual.
DB>The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full,
DB>"This product must be installed by an Apple ........."
DB>SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX
DB>upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board.
Sounds like you got the Adobe ROM upgrade for an NTX. That describes
the kit I got when I upgraded to the 51.2 or 52.1 PostScript in my NTX.
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| 14sci.space |
Hi Folks,
I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!).
I have noticed a few problems with the car :
1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like
11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of
gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.).
2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something
like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles,
it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm.
I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these
problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has
done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/
recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it
unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the
car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so).
Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond
by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly.
Thanks.
Regards,
--Sudhi.
--
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"Is he one of us or is he one of them ?" ---- so ask small-minded men.
Those of noble mind think the entire world as their family. [Hitopadesha]
| 7rec.autos |
I am looking for software to run on my brand new Targa+ 16/32. If anyone knows
of any sites which have useful stuff, or if you have any yourself you want to
give, let me know via mail. Thanks a LOT! Yayayay!
jamie@ddsw1.mcs.com
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:
> First off, with all these huge software packages and files that
> they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).
I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.
> Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI
> and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.
Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,
tape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0.
--
Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
>encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the
>privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
>criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is
the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt
--
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| 11sci.crypt |
I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and
road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...
Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until
I became resident. Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Alan Jackson (ajackson@cch.coventry.ac.uk) wrote:
: Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or
: Windows).
: Thanks in advance.
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1r1118$4vs@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>[] The Jews who found themselves alone against
>Rome on Masada faced a future which was infinitely bleaker than the one
>faced by the Branch Davidians. The latter, in reality, would likely
>have been charged with weapons violations and other sorts of crimes.
>Most of them would have likely gotten off entirely. It is highly
>unlikely that anyone other than Vernon Howell would have been been
>imprisoned for very long.
As members of a "cult" that "murdered" federal agents, I suspect the
government would "provide them with housing" with a "lease" longer
than that given to the followers of Charlie Manson. Especially since
they have a much larger cheering section among the general population,
so the government has a lot more to prove.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
Yes - Everyone seems to be in agreement that the Yankees are
finally moving in the right direction. They should finish
over .500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race
in August. However, I would take back a few moves:
1. The Jim Abbott Trade.
I think Abbott is not only an inspirational person, but a
great pitcher also. He could win the Cy Young this year,
but he won't because the right side of the Yanks infield
isn't good enough. So why was this not a good trade?
JT Snow. How many rookies have been able to step in and
immediately have the impact that he has had so far on
the Angels? I know it's early, but if you've seen this kid
hit, field or talk you can just tell that he is going to be
a tremendous player. The Yanks should have kept him. What
about Mattingly, you ask? Well - it's great that the Yanks
have taken care of him and remained loyal, but he's 10 years
older than Snow and just doesn't have the same bat speed as
before his back injury. It's a shame, but as a Yankee fan
who wants to see the *best* Yankee team, I'd take
Snow over Mattingly at first. The Yanks also gave up two
promising propects with Snow for Abbott. Besides, with
Domingo Jean, Brien taylor, Wickman, Militello, and Sterling
Hitchcock, they are just loaded with propects. I know Abbotts
only 26, but this was too much to give up. I believe George
forced this trade because he believes (and he's right) that
Abbott will be a big hit in NY. However, I'd like to see the
Yankees build a baseball team, not an amusement show.
2. Wade Boggs.
I live in Boston and like Wade a lot. But, his career is
winding down and I would rather see the Yanks start to develop
a long term solution (i.e. Hensley Muelins, Russ Davis, Velarde?).
Besides, Wade just doesn't have any range. What a shame about
Charlie Hayes, huh?
3. Spike Owen.
See Wade Boggs. I'd much rather see them develop Dave Silvestri
or whoever. Wade and Spike next to each other in the infield is
going to raise the Yankee staff ERA 1/2 point. And these guys
are on the down sides of their careers.
4. Danny Tartabull.
Yes - he's put up some tremendous numbers and it's nice to think
about what he could do if he were ever healthy all year. But he
never is. We should expect 120 games max out of him. Meanwhile,
Gerald Williams is playing at Columbus and Paul O'Neil is playing
left field! I believe O'Neil led NL outfielders in assists
last year - and Tartabull is a poor defensive outfielder.
What I'm basically getting at is the Yanks are moving in the right
direction but are NOT ready to win a pennent this year. They should
(at the GM level) be planning for a 1994 or 1995 world series. This
means getting the younger players experience in the majors NOW so they
will be ready in a year or two.
I'm afraid that all this stuff wreaks of George Steinbrenner.
Certainly, the Boggs deal was all George. It looks like George is
planning the right mix of veterans and young players to win a world
series now. The veterans are always available and can be added at any
time (like Boston did this year). Develop the young players first,
then add the one or two veterans (or in the Yankees case, just keep
them). Let's all us Yankee fans hope that George doesn't dismantle
the terrific job Stick and company have done building the Yankee
organization back into one of respect. I'm really afraid that he will
trade whoever it takes to patch holes today (relief pitching for
example). George must realize that the Yankees rebuilding process is
still one or two years away. Have patience George and we will all
enjoy the future. Fire Bucky and trade the kids and it's baseball
hell for all loyal Yankee fans for a long time!
Sam "I'm not Militello or Millitello" Mandelbaum.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
i saw this posted and it brings an interesting event to mind .....
In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see). I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike. I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.
>
>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.
>
a few weeks ago i was in the DMV with ken. i was standing in a mile long
line waiting for some really bored looking person to fleece a bunch of
people from some dough. ken was sitting on a chair next to our helmets
wondering why everybody there looked to be about the social calibur of
people you would find at a laundromat when some young woman walked in who
required our conferring attentions. he came over and stood in line with me
while we watched her fill out some forms and then we noticed a little kid
about 4 years old reach over the bench and touch our helmets, one at a time.
i didn't particularly mind, and neither did ken (that the kid was touching
our helmets that is). but the helmets weren't on the most stable of
platforms, so ken scooted over there to resettle them and as soon as he
touched the helmets, mother of said child started shrieking at her kid "YOU
STAY AWAY FROM THOSE YOU SHIT!" and whopped the tyke brutally about the head
and shoulders.
i suppose it was our scary "sex drugs and unix" t-shirts that sent such
bouts of terror through her body.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) writes:
> Is there any FTP site that carries WinBench results for different graphics
> cards? In Excel (XLS) format? What is the latest version of WinBench and
> how do they differ? Is the source available, and has anybody try to port it to
> X-Window, at least in a way that will make comparisons possible?
>
On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by
Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other
benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a
very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently
giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of
WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain
the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released
to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to
beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one.
--
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al@col.hp.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
: I think you misunderstand. Suppose you have a couple of gas atoms in a
: container. If you ionise one of them, you generally assume that the other is
: not affected. This is only true to a certain degree of accuracy; luckily
: there are all sorts of effects we can ignore when doing chemistry. Like
: gravitational forces, for example, because they're very weak.
Agreed. But your original posting seemed to me to be just another
Heisenbergian misunderstanding of what chemists do - Heisenberg
said biologists are treating atoms just like they were solid balls.
This is what some chemists used to do, too, but this is not how
chemistry is taught today.
: And I agree. I think you merely misunderstood the point I was trying to
: make, which is that we simplify the real situation to something we can deal
: with. For instance, we talk about electron pairs, and draw diagrams of
: molecules with little markings to show these pairs of electrons. This is
: actually nonsense, but it's a perfectly good model for predicting all kinds
: of chemical reactions.
Your original posting shows that you seem to think chemists still think
this way. It is true that basic chemistry is still taught in terms of
electron pairs and valences, but this is not what _chemists_ are taught,
and this is not how they should think.
I suggest you take a look at P.W. Atkins's classic text _Physical Chemistry_
(4th ed., Oxford University Press 1990) to see how chemistry is taught today.
However, I still agree with your point - concepts must be allowed to
operate at a pragmatic level. In chemistry, this usually means we must use
different models for different situations. It is unfair to say that
chemists simply ignore effects they can't deal with - on the contrary,
they are quite concerned with the limitations of their models.
: I remember thinking, the first time I saw the shapes of the electron
: orbitals, "They have *got* to be kidding..."
If someone insists that electron is _confined_ inside these shapes,
it would indeed constitute a joke. The shapes are still important,
even though they are only visual representations of the radial and
angular functions. The surfaces are arbitrary, and not really important -
what is more important (in chemistry) are the signs of the wavefunctions.
Is there something wrong with the representations?
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| 0alt.atheism |
Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area.
Thanks
Lisa Rowlands
--
Alex Technologies Ltd CP House
97-107 Uxbridge Road
Tel: +44 (0)81 566 2307 Ealing
Fax: +44 (0)81 566 2308 LONDON
email: lisa@alex.com W5 5LT
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Michael, you sent your inquiry to the bmw mailing list, but the sw
replaces your return addr with the list addr so I can't reply or
manually add you. please see my post re the list or contact me directly.
--
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BMW Mailing List bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I am running System 7.1 on a Centris 610. I have not been able to setup my
printer yet because when I open Chooser, I get a blank screen. I do have all
kinds of print drivers but none shows up. I even do not get a port iconn
either. It is just one big BLANK screen.
Your help is very appreciated.
BTW I did rebuild the desktop but that did not help either.
Bizhan.............. bizhan@netcom.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C6wLIJ.L5K@bailgate.gpsemi.com> wilkinson_m@roborough.gpsemi.com writes:
>Hi All,
> This is the first time I've posted to the net, so I hope this is
>going to the right people.
> I'm looking for software packages that run on an IBM PC clone that
>allows me to display Openlook and motif windows on the PC.
> The idea is to use the PC as a cheap X windows terminal for use by
>process Engineers at work.
May I humbly suggest DESQview/X? (Of course, I'm biased...)
DESQview/X is a multitasker for DOS computers, that uses a standard
X11R4 server as it's display mechanism. DOS applications and Microsoft
Windows standard mode are converted on-the-fly to X-protocol, allowing
you to display them, or any R4 compatable X-program from any machine
on the net to display to the PC's local display (or to any other display
on the net).
Free tools are available for devloping X-applications for the DVX platform;
many X-programs have been ported between DVX and UNIX with little or
no modifications. (Often, you only need to create a new makefile!)
If you're interested in more details, you can check out the usenet group
comp.os.msdos.desqview, or just email me directly at support@qdeck.com,
and I'd be happy to fill you in.
--
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| 5comp.windows.x |
bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:
: In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:
:
: >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I
: >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)
: >Thanks!
: >
:
: Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do
: any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is
: so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND
: graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have
: X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like
: doc, image viewers like xv, etc.
:
Ummm, I beg to differ. A kind soul sent me a program called DPG-VIEW that
will do exactly what I want, view GIF images under Linux without X-Windows.
And, it does support all the way up to 1024x768. The biggest complaint I
have is it is painfully SLOW. It takes about 1 minute to display an image.
I am use to CSHOW under DOS which takes a split second. Any idea why it
is so slow under Linux? Anybody have anything better? Plus, anybody have
the docs to DPG-View? Thanks!
| 1comp.graphics |
I have the following system for sale.
386DX 25Mhz (DTK motherboard Intel microprocessor)
64k external cache
4 megs Ram
89 meg Harddrive (IDE controller)
1.2 meg floppy drive
1.44 meg floppy drive
2 serial ports
1 parallel port
Samsung VGA monitor
SVGA graphics card (tseng labs w/ 1meg) awesome card.
101 key keyboard
2400 baud internal modem
Software:
MS-DOS 6.0
Procomm Plus ver. 2.0
Norton Utilities ver. 4.5
other various utilities
I'm upgrading and need to sell. The system is reliable and ready to go.
I've never had any problems with it.
I'm asking $1000 o.b.o.
If you're interested, please respond by either E-mail or phone.
TAE0460@zeus.tamu.edu
or
409-696-6043
Thanks,
Andrew
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <lsm2fjINNlnf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
> >> In article <15230@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ## #I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a
# ## #clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering
# ## #a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice
# ## #doesn't have a grain of truth to it.
#
# #In article <ls8ruoINN54b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM#, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
# ##
# ## Ah, Clayton, so I see that you have found someone new to bash. Tell
# ## me, how many pro-choicers have compared abortion in a clinic to a
# ## religious ritual in a church? I'll bet that you've seen "overwhelming
# ## support" for this opinion in some newsgroup or another.
#
# In article <15313@optilink.COM# cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #No, but I've seen the comparison drawn by pro-choicers in ca.politics.
# #It is worrisome to me. But not to you?
#
# 1. I've been reading ca.politics for a while now, and I don't recall
# seeing such a comparison.
You don't read *my* postings very carefully; I'm not surprised. It
was pretty shocking, and is part of why my sympathy (though not
agreement) with the pro-lifers is increasing.
# 2. A handful of lunatic opinions expressed in ca.politics does not
# make me think that the opinion is widely held.
When did I say that it was?
# Clayton, I wish I knew what made you tick. Your math sucks, and you
# take single instances of fringe opinions and proclaim the existence of
# a pernicious trend. There's about a quarter billion people living in
# this country -- some small number of them are almost guaranteed to
# hold opinions that you (and I) find positively repellent. As long as
# the small number is truly a small number, and as long as they're not
# my neighbor (highly likely), I'm not worried about it.
When they hold high public office, you should worry.
# By the way, when you cite experts, remember that Carl Sagan and Paul
# Ehrlich [sp?] are experts, too. If I've never heard of your experts,
# I'll consider the source (you, a man who is clearly unable to master
# elementary statistics and uses of statistical inference) and ignore
# them.
#
# David Chase
You mean, I don't come to the conclusions that your emotional
state requires.
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <IK.93Apr9075401@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com>, ik@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:
|> >>>>> "aab" == Andy Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> writes:
|>
|> aab> In <1993Apr7.200950.16856@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
|>
|> aab> <some deleted>
|>
|> >If you
|> >look closely at Motif, you will see that it is just MS-Windows
|> >with more eye-pleasing color and texture. The only real difference
|> >is that an MS application window can "contain" other toplevel children,
|> >while a Motif application window "launches" its children out onto the
|> >desktop.
|>
|> aab> To those of you familiar with both GUIs, is this correct? My experience
|> aab> with X makes me think that this MSW behavior is easily duplicated
|> aab> with X11. But I don't know MSW...
|>
|> Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that
|> handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Also, I believe
|> that in Windows 3.x you're limited to 64K of resources (windows, menus,
|> icons, etc.).
IMHO this whole discussion named "Motif looks like MS-Windogs" is totally
stupid. The only thing remotely influenced here can be the Motif Window
Manager, that features an arrangement of buttons and menus somewhat
similiar to this of the MS-W windowmanaging agent, however its name is.
But MWM is only a SMALL part of Motif, in fact, MWM and Motif can work
without each other, and if one doesn't like MWMs outfit for some reason,
he switches to another windowmanager. All this doesn't influence Motif,
which is a toolkit of widgets to write applications, and this toolkit
is IMHO uncomparable to MS-W, because it is much more wellorganized and
features alot of goodies more than the MS-W interface.
You cannot say "A Porsche looks like a VW Käfer" ONLY because they have the
wheel and the gear at the same position. Motif and MS-W are complete
different worlds, only one element of the Motif world has some gear and wheel
at the same position as MS-W.
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <stevethC5LM2E.Fx8@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri
tes:
>In article <C5L69C.Fxp@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)
writes:
>>In article <stevethC5Js6F.Fn5@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) w
rites:
>>> Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from
>>> being screwed up in the head, given that example!
>>>
>>>(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to
>>>get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal
>>>drugs and who IS NOT "screwed up" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He
's
>>>not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is a
n
>>>immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice
>>>THIS to THAT!).
>>
>>Hello, is there anybody in there? You think you have to pay for this idiot's
>>problem now, who's going to pay for the ballooning number of addicts and
>>all of the associated problems with them. I don't even want to think about
>>it with Hillary in the White House and an administration that "feels our
>>pain".
>
>Look, if you were truly for lower taxation and less government, you would not
>be advocating the WOD. Ever wonder why the WOD is a BI-partisan issue?
>
>>
>>No harm but to himself? What about when he drives his school bus full
>>of kids into a train. When he gets stoned and drives up on a sidewalk
>>and kills 5 people. When he lives off me on Welfare for the rest of his
>>life.
>
>Ridiculous. I can't imagine anyone this stupid. Forgive me for flaming,
>but this is sooooooo obvious!
>
>Tell me why any of the above cases cannot be caused be a legal drug, viz.
>alcohol, or are you for having a War on That, too?
>
>Now I'll tell you: more people are killed by alcohol-related accidents
>than all other drugs combined. BY FAR.
>
Probably because more people have access to alchohol. It IS LEGAL you know.
>>
>>The problem with the WOD is that it has no bite. Sending the slimy
>>bastards to the chair for selling drugs to kids, now there's some bit.
>>
>
>Yeah, that's it, send a kid from the inner-city, who has no other viable
>means to make money and turns to selling drugs, to an over-crowded federal
>prison where he learns to do Real Crime.
>
Of course, this kid would be much better off selling crack to his neighborhood
and helping in its demise.
>Without drug money being pumped into these blights from the (affluent)
>outside, there would be no crime (who would they steal from, each other?).
>Drugs bring money into the community just like any other business would,
>except that, since drugs are illegal, the economy is an underground one.
And if those drugs were legal, the neighborhood could legally go to hell.
>A self-sustaining underground economy can only proliferate by a constant
>willful infusion of money from the outside. If you take away drug laws,
>you put an end to the underground economy, and therefore to large-scale
>crime.
>
And if we made murder legal, we would put an end to murder as a crime.
>Kids in the inner-cities are faced with a very tough life growing up
>there, or selling drugs and having everything at their fingertips instantly.
>Many kids choose selling drugs. They sell products to people who want to
>buy them. They make money off of rich white kids from the suburbs. Then
>they go to prison. Then they become hardened criminals, and learn that
>you're much better off stealing car-stereos in the suburbs because all
>the police forces are spending all their money in the inner city saving
>people from themselves.
What??????
>
>You can bring up all the examples you want about crack-babies and whathaveyou.
>The solution never has anything to do with the laws (crack is illegal).
>
So you are saying crack babies who are that way legally are okay?
>No social problem, however great, is worth destroying the freedom in America.
>The destruction of freedom is never an answer to any social problem.
You can't even walk down the street at night alone in America because of drugs.
Freedom my ass.
Ryan
| 18talk.politics.misc |
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc | |
In article <1r7os6$hil@agate.berkeley.edu>, isaackuo@spam.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) writes:
|> In article <C5wIA1.4Hr@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
|> > The FBI claims, on the basis of their intelligence reports,
|> > that BD's had no plans to commit suecide. They, btw, had bugged the
|> > place and were listening to BD's conversations till the very end.
|> >
|> > Koresh's attorney claims that, based on some 30 hours he spent
|> > talking to his client and others in the compound, he saw no
|> > indication that BD's were contemplating suecide.
|> >
|> > The survivors claim it was not a suecide.
|>
|> It's not clear that more than one of the survivors made this claim. It is
|> clear that at least one of the survivors made the contradictory claim that
|> BD members had started the fire.
No, this is far from clear. We only have the word of the FBI spokepeople that
a survivor made this claim. We have the contradictory word of the lawyers who
spoke with the survivors individually that ALL of them agreed that they did
NOT have a suicide pact and did not intentionally start the fire. In the absense
of any more evidence, I don't see how we can decide who to believe.
Furthermore, its quite possible that there was no general suicide pact and that
some small inner circle took it upon themselves to kill everyone else.
With the state of the area now, we may never know what happened.
|>
|> > BD's were not contemplating suecide, and there is no reason
|> > to believe they committed one.
|>
|> No reason? How about these two:
|>
|> 1. Some of the survivors claimed that BD members poured fuel along the
|> corridors and set fire to it. The speed at which the fire spread
|> is not inconsistent with this claim.
Again, we have only the word of the FBI on this claim. The lawyers who
have also talked to the survors deny that any of them are making that claim.
|>
|> 2. There was certainly a fire which killed most of the people in the compound.
|> There is a very very good possibility that the FBI did not start this
|> fire. This is a good reason to believe that the BD's did.
I will agree on your assessment as to the relative probabilities. Its more likely
that the BD's started the fire than did the FBI. But there is currently NO
way to decide what actually happened based on the publically available evidence
(which is nearly none).
|>
|> 3. Even if the BD's were not contemplating suicide, it is very possible that
|> David Koresh was convinced (and thus convinced the others) that this
|> was not suicide. It was the fulfilment of a profecy of some sort.
|>
|> There are three possibilities other than the BD's self destruction:
|>
|> A. They are not dead, but escaped via bunker,etc. From reports of the
|> inadequacies of the tunnels and the bodies found, I would rate this
|> as highly unlikely.
|>
|> B. The fire was started by an FBI accident. This is possible, but it would be
|> foolish of us to declare this outright until more evidence can back it.
|> Sure, it's possible that the armored vehicle knocked down a lantern
|> which started the fire (why was there a lit lantern in the middle of
|> the day near the edge of the complex?). It's anecdotal evidence that
|> has been contradicted by other escapees.
|>
|> C. The fire was started on purpose by the FBI. This has been suggested by
|> some on the NET, and I would rate this possibility as utterly
|> ludicrous. This is what we in "sci.skeptic" would call an
|> "extraordinary claim" and won't bother refuting unless someone gives
|> any good evidence to back it up.
D. The fire was an started accidentally by the BDs. I am truely amazed that
I have heard (or read) of no one suggesting this possibility.
With all the tear gas and the lack of electical power in the compound and
the adults wearing gas masks, it had to have been chaotic inside.
I can easily image someone leaving a lamp too close to something or
accidentally dropping a lamp or knocking one over. With the winds, it
would have quickly gotten out of control.
|>
|> So we are left with two reasonable possibilities. That the fire was an FBI
|> accident and that the fire was started by the BD. I find the latter more
|> likely based on the evidence I've seen so far.
No, I think that D is also quite reasonable. I personally can't really
asses any relative probablities to either of these 3 probabilities although if
forced to bet on the issue, I would probably take an accident (either FBI or
BD) over intential setting of the fire).
I would also like to add a comment related to the reports that bodies recovered
had gunshot wounds. The coroner was on the Today Show this morning and categorically
denied that they've reach any such conclusions. He pointed out that under intense
heat, sufficient pressure builds up in the head that can cause it to explode and
that this can look very much like a massive gunshot wound to the head which is
quite consisted with te reports I've read and heard.
In short, there's been almost no evidence corroborating any of the many
scenarios as to what happened on Monday. We should remain skeptical until
more information is available.
|> --
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|> * * _____/_o_\_____
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