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VHS movie for sale
Kevin Costner Dances withs Wolves
Just open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have
to pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping)
Let me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this
e-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
thanks,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
| 6misc.forsale |
In <17858.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes:
>
>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away.
True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of
her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not*
mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful...
Sure. You don't miss what you never had. Those poor sods don't know
what they're missing. I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike?
Mr. Bill
--
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago" +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+ DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +
| 8rec.motorcycles |
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Labour's enclaves policy.IMPORTANT
Labour's enclaves policy in the occupied territories
by Israel Shahak
publ. in Middle East International, London, 30.4.93
It is not difficult to discover Israel's policy towards the
Palestinians at any given time. It can be easily inferred
from the facts on the ground and from the information
provided by the Hebrew press. There is one condition,
though. The torrents of claptrap about "the peace
process" must be totally ignored, as must Israel's official
pronouncements, whole sole purpose is to distort reality.
By concentrating only on the facts, it was early apparent
that Labour's policies were no different from those of
Shamir but for their greater reliance on deceit and their
more effective implementation.
Likud's policies were accurately described by Ariel
Sharon in an article, accompanied by a map, in Yediot
Aharonot last August. The Sharon plan envisaged a
division of the West Bank into seven, and the Gaza Strip
into four, "autonomous" Palestinian enclaves, all of them
under Israeli supervision. The total area of these
enclaves amounted to about 15 per cent of the
territories. The rest was to be controlled by the Israeli
settlements and the highways built around the enclaves.
The entire area around Jerusalem, from the outskirts of
Ramallah to the boundaries of Bethlehem, has already
been turned into a "Greater Jerusalem" where the Arab-
inhabited localities amount to small enclaves surrounded
by areas occupied by Israeli settlements or reserved for
them.
Judging from Labour's settlement policy, it may be
assumed that it may content itself with a lesser number
of Arab enclaves of a rather larger size than Sharon had
planned. But the principle of surrounding the enclaves by
settlements strategically dispersed along the highways
remains unchanged. Labour plans only four enclaves in
the West Bank: two in "Samaria" and two in "Judea" (i.e.
north and south of Jerusalem respectively), and no more
than two in the Gaza Strip. In regard to "Greater
Jerusalem", Labour's policies hardly deviate from
Sharon's.
A saner version of Likud policy
As some Israeli correspondents at once realised, Labour
policies were but a saner version of Sharon's
extravaganza. Last July, Gideon Eshet wrote in Yediot
Aharonot that, while "barely a few months ago" Labour
supported the demand to freeze all construction beyond
the Green Line, "no specific decision to freeze
construction in the territories has been taken". And Uzi
Benziman wrote in Ha'aretz that "as far as can be judged
on the basis of the internal political discussions in
Jerusalem, Rabin intends to stick to Likud's ways".
The two biggest enclaves envisaged by Labour are
located in "Samaria". Therefore the belt of settlements
around the "Trans-Samaria Highway", designed to
separate those enclaves from each other, is of paramount
importance. According to the latest data, the percentage
of Israeli settlers in the entire West Bank population
(apart from East Jerusalem) is a mere 5.5 per cent. But
for the area around the "Trans-Samaria Highway", the
corresponding figure is almost 20 per cent, and it is
increasing steadily. The situation in the settlements of
the "Efrat Block" south of Jerusalem, designed to sever
the enclave around Bethlehem from the one around
Hebron, is pretty much the same. The "Efrat Block" is now
being connected with West Jerusalem by a highway.
The project is costly in the extreme, because the highway
is designed to bypass Bethlehem by a sequence of long
tunnels. The final decision to build this highway was
suspended until Rabin's return from his US visit in
March. The subsequent decision to renew its construction
can be seen as US approval for the enclaves plan as a
whole.
Process of impoverishment
The enclaves plan implies deliberate and steady
impoverishment of the Palestinians. This is well known
in Israel but ignored abroad by all who should be
concerned, including the PLO. In regard to the Gaza Strip,
the whole process was best described by Ze'ev Shiff in
Ha'aretz in March. He mentions having seen "a pamphlet
issued six years ago by the Civil Administration
forecasting the conditions in the Gaza Strip under Israeli
rule in 2000". His analysis deserves to be quoted
extensively:
"We continue to steal the Strip's water, even though its
quality deteriorates from year to year. We continue to
steal the Strip's tiny land resources, in order to found
there more and more settlements, as if we deliberately
want to make the inhabitants despair, and in their
despair think in termws of having nothing to lose. It is
by our own doing that the Strip's workers must now
spend travelling to their workplaces almost as much time
as they spend working. From the military point of view,
we have kept control of no more than half the Strip's
area at an increasingly exorbitant price in manpower and
resources. About a year before Moshe Arens left the
defence ministry, I heard him saying that we should
withdraw from the Strip come what may. His argument
was that Israel sinks into the Strip ever deeper and
deeper. He told me he had proposed this to Yitzhak
Shamir but he rejected it." Yitzhak Rabin rejects it too.
Enormous state support for the Qatif Block settlers can
also be cited as proof that the enclaves plan is being
implemented. The Qatif Block settlements, founded by
the first Rabin government of 1974-77, are intended to
divide the Gaza Strip into two separate enclaves. Efraim
Davidi of Davar had data showing how vital for Israeli
this enterprise is. "The Qatif Block is now producing 40
per cent of Israeli tomatoes destined for export, and a
substantial proportion of cut flowers." He also deals with
the subsidies the settlers receive, considerably
augmented by the present government. Owing to them,
housing units are cheap. The present government does
not spare efforts to recruit new settlers to the block.
"Any prospective settler will get a 95 per cent mortgage
for his house on top of a grant of 18,000 shekels
($6,500)."
Such data shows that Israel's plans apply whether the
Palestinians of the Gaza Strip are allowed or forbidden to
work in Israel. The economic motivations were explained
by Danny Rubinstein in Ha'aretz in March:
"From the economic viewpoint Gaza could already be
sealed off hermetically and all the Strip's workers could
be barred from entering Israel...Even though accurate
data is hard to come by, it is indisputable that during the
last two years the numbes of Gazan workers arriving
daily to work in Israel has markedly decreased, from
80,000 in the mid'80s to 40,000 today. But the decrease
is not only due to restrictions imposed on entering Israel
from Gaza. It is also due to the drastic curtailment of
demand for Gazan labour in Israel. With unemployment
in Israel soaring and the construction of apartments
blocks virtually halted, the workers from Gaza are no
longer really needed..."
Gaza's total dependence
The entire economy of the Gaza Strip is totally dependent
on Israel. In recent years in the Gaza Strip there has
been an increase in sub-contracted work for Israeli
factories, mostly footware and textiles. Thousands of
small workshops, employing an average of four workers,
get their raw materials or unfinished products, together
with detailed working instructions, from Israeli factories.
Rubinstein attributes this development to the fact that
"the average wage in the Gaza Strip is merely 40 per cent
of that in the West Bank, which in turn stands at half the
average wage in Israel; and besides the Gazan employer
does not pay any social security for his employees." If
the average wage in the Gaza Strip is just a fifth of that
in Israel, the profits of Israeli factories and even of
Palestinian sub-contractors must be vast.
They are higher still when "a Gazan sub-contractor
provides labour to be performed at home, with the
family's help. The livelihood of tens of thousands of
Gazans depends on such sub-contracted work." Many of
them are women and children, paid about ten shekels
($3.50) a day which can last 12 hours or more. There can
be no doubt that profits from exploiting cheap Gazan
labour are one of the reasons for the stubborn opposition
of Rabin and other Israeli ministers to withdrawal from
the Strip.
Economic conditions in the Gaza Strip differ little from
what was created straight after Israel's conquest [in
1967]. In this respect, one should not be deluded by the
talk, nowadays fashionable, about Israeli gestures
intended to "encourage economic development in the
territories", As Israeli journalists point out, all permits
for opening new businesses depend on a prior approval
by the Shin Bet. "Behind all the professed goodwill there
is no desire to solve problems, just the attitude of a good
colonialist, willing to do something for the benefit of the
natives, but on condition that they behave nicely, do not
become rebellious, and never do anything against the
interests of the metropolis, its economic interests
included," wrote Michal Sela in Davar in February. The
development of sub-contracted work in the Gaza Strip
accords perfectly with Sela's diagnosis.
Sela also shows how exactly the economic controls work.
"In all branches of the economy, lobbies have been set in
motion for purposes of freeing Israeli production from
the threat of any Palestinian competition. The method is
simplicity itself. As soon as any Israeli producer succeeds
in persuading the government, or even the trade and
industry minister alone, a military order is issued
prohibiting the export of a given produce to Israel. If this
does not suffice, a Palestinian factory may be denied a
licence to operate or bureaucratic obstacles may paralyse
its production." Among the most active of such lobbies is
the agricultural one. It has succeeded in limiting exports
of Gazan vegetables (except for those grown by settlers)
not only to Israel but also to Europe, where they
otherwise might compete with Israeli exports.
Perpetuaring apartheid
Labour's goal is to perpetuate this apartheid regime in
the territories. The same goal is shared by the US, which
otherwise could not support the Labour government so
firmly. In my view one of the reasons the US feels
happier about supporting Labour than Likud is its
greater efficiency in pursuing the settlement drive. This
point was brought home by Ofer Shelah in Ma'ariv, who
deplored the settlers' failure which he attributed to
Likud's inefficiency. he showed that the peak yearly
settlement growth "occured during the term of office of
the National Unity government (i.e. 1984-90) in which
Rabin served throughout as the defence minister".
Likud's reputation for settling the territories better than
Labour is false, attributable to the many tiny settlements
without strategic value founded under Shamir for
symbolic reasons.
To sum up: Labour's policy, unconditionally supported by
the US differs from that of Likud primarily in the
efficiency with which it is implemented. According to
that policy the territories are to be divided into two
parts. The major part is to be ruled by Israel directly,
and the minor part indirectly. In my view, this racist
scheme is doomed to ultimately fail, but at a horrifying
price in human suffering. The sooner its true nature is
recognised, the less suffering it may cause.
************************************
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1r72jjINNnmm@ctron-news.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com writes...
>mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
>> Why is an accidental fire more plausible than a mass suicide,
>> considering that the Davidians were an apocalyptic cult with
>> a history of armed violence?
>Because the place was a tinder box with straw bales for insulation, and they
>wouldn't have time to die from smoke inhalation before the fire reached them.
>Those people burned to death, a truly horrible and agonizingly painful way to
>die, which I don't think even a fanatic would willingly inflict on himself, let
>alone his family.
You don't know much about the fall of Diem's government in Vietnam.
Or the traditional Indian practice of Suttee. People have been
burning themselves to death (or willing to go through such and end)
for political and religious reasons since the beginning of time.
Also, death from smoke inhalation is little better than dying from
the flames themselves. Think about breatning in searing toxic
gasses. It's not pleasant.
>To anyone who remembered Jim Jones and who thought that mass
>suicide was a real possibility, self-immolation would simply not be the method
>of choice.
Then again, to a Buddhist monk, it might be. To each his own.
>Far more likely to be bombs, bullets, or poisoned kool-aid. That's
>not to say they definitely didn't do it - I don't make claims either way - but
>I find the idea implausible enough to want to see the gov't thoroughly inves-
>tigated to determine if _they_ started the fire by accident.
I'm waiting to see what the government has, too.
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR SALE
I have a nice residential lot available. It is approx-
imately 1/2 acre in size. It is located in the development
called Belvedere Plantation in Pender County, eastern North
Carolina, north of Wilmington. The lot is near the Intra-
Coastal Waterway. Golf and tennis are located on the
development property. Belvedere Plantation also has a mar-
ina facility on the ICW. This lot is nearby to all of the
facilities mentioned.
I own the lot outright but it does not look like I will
get back to the area anytime soon. I would like to sell it
for that reason. Make an offer.
If interested please send E-mail.
gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu. - Mike Smith
--
Michael Davis Smith
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0463b
Internet: gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) writes:
> I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody
> happen to know where I could find such a beast?
Uh... slight clarification: That should be a printer driver for the
c.itoh LIPS10 laser printer.
Thanks again
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jerry
--
"Look ma! No .signature!"
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
-*----
In article <noringC5yGw1.F1M@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
> ... Of course, they are working on the theory that candida
> overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with
> associated "mild" inflammatory response can and does occur
> in a large number of people. If you reject this "yeast
> hypothesis", then I'd guess you'd view this research as one
> more wasteful and quixotic endeavor. Stay tuned.
I do not have enough medical expertise to have much of an opinion
one way or another on hidden candida infections. I can
understand the skepticism of those who see this associated with
various general kinds of symptoms, while there is a lack of solid
demonstration that this happens and causes such general symptoms.
(To understand this skepticism, one only needs to know of past
failures that shared these characteristics with the notion of
hidden candida infection. There have been quite a few, and the
proponents of all thought that the skeptics were overly skeptical.)
On the other hand, I am happy to read that some people are
sufficiently interested in this possibility, spurred by
suggestive clinical experience, to research it further. The
doubters may be surprised. (It has happened before.)
I realize that admitting ignorance in the face of ignorance may
not endear me to those who are so sure they know one way or
another. (And, indeed, perhaps some of them do know -- I am the
one who is currently ignorant.) But I find this the most honest
route, and so I am happy with it.
Russell
| 13sci.med |
In article <pww-150493204223@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
I write:
#> *some* values are objective. Truth is better than falsehood, peace is
#> better than war, education is better than ignorance. We know these things,
#> if we know anything.
#
#Now, prove it. What, you can't? Frank, you're religious after all!
#What I do know is that I can observe phenomena, creAte a theory that
#explains new phenomena, observe these new phenomena.
Prove that you can observe phenomena, Lord.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes:
:
:
|> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);
|> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);
|>
|> Then to draw I do:
|>
|> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);
|> XFlush( myDisplay);
|>
|> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:
|>
|> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);
|>
|>
|> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of
|> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If
|> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are
|> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor
|> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and
|> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).
|>
|> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong?
|>
|> david
Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that
are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it
back to GXxor)...
Kurt.
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr27.132255.12653@tpl68k0.tplrd.tpl.oz.au> keithh@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Keith Harwood) writes:
In article <1rbl0eINNip4@gap.caltech.edu>, palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes:
> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
> > What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?
> >Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are
> >quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by?
> >Why would they have to be at galactic ranges?
. . . David gives good explaination of the deductions from the isotropic,
'edged' distribution, to whit, they are either part of the Universe or
part of the Oort cloud.
Why couldn't they be Earth centred, with the edge occuring at the edge
of the gravisphere? I know there isn't any mechanism for them, but there
isn't a mechanism for the others either.
What on Earth is the "gravisphere"?
Anyway, before it's decay the Pioneer Venus Orbiter
had a gamma ray detector, as does Ulysses, they
detect the brightest bursts that the Earth orbit detectors
do, so the bursts are at least at Oort cloud distances.
In principle four detectors spaced out by a few AU would
see parallax if the bursts are of solar system origin.
_The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely
no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have
to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to
"conventional" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching
by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at
least it was a good try...
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
* And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
| 14sci.space |
From article <1993Apr21.013846.1374@cx5.com>, by tlc@cx5.com:
>
>
> I've got an old demo disk that I need to view. It was made using RIX Softworks.
> The files on the two diskette set end with: .scf
>
> The demo was VGA resolution (256 colors), but I don't know the spatial
> resolution.
>
According to my ColoRIX manual .SCF files are 640x480x256
> First problem: When I try to run the demo, the screen has two black bars that
> cut across (horizontally) the screen, in the top third and bottom third of the
> screen. The bars are about 1-inch wide. Other than this, the demo (the
> animation part) seems to be running fine.
>
> Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display
> these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf
> files.
>
You may try VPIC, I think it handles the 256 color RIX files OK..
Rob Sherry
sherry@a.cs.okstate.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
GAME(S) OF 4/15
---------------
ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2 (Adirondack leads series, 1-0)
=================================================
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: 4/16 Providence at Springfield
Gm 4: 4/17 Providence at Springfield
Gm 5: 4/22 Springfield at Providence *
Gm 6: 4/24 Providence at Springfield *
Gm 7: 4/27 Springfield at Providence *
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2
Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack
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Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: 4/16 Baltimore at Binghamton
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Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton *
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Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: 4/16 Utica at Rochester
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Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica
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Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester *
Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica *
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Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2
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Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax *
Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton *
Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax *
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: Fredericton 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
Gm 2: 4/16 Cape Breton at Fredericton
Gm 3: 4/20 Fredericton at Cape Breton
Gm 4: 4/22 Fredericton at Cape Breton
Gm 5: 4/24 Cape Breton at Fredericton *
Gm 6: 4/26 Fredericton at Cape Breton *
Gm 7: 4/28 Cape Breton at Fredericton *
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+ Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 +
+ Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 +
+ Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 +
+ AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +
+ CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS +
+ PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS +
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Has anyone connected a high-res, fixed frequency monitor to their PC?
I have a mitubishi monitor that does 1024x768 at 60hz, but won't do
any other resolutions. All the video cards designed for this sort of
thing are very expensive (>$400). Has anyone done it with an SVGA
card (I know it can be done, it's just a question of getting the card
at the right resolution and frequency)? I'd like to use a mono
(hercules) monitor as my dos/command line monitor, and switch to the
mitsu for Windows or X-windows (under Linux or 3BSD).
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. E-mail, please.
Thanks,
--
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Please respond to my queries via e-mail (post also if you like) | 516-226-4630
because my site purges news much faster than I can keep up with it.
This message was made from 100% recycled materials.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes:
>I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away
>from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name
>of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica)
There's a program called "Icon Frightener" included with the book Stupid
Windows Tricks by Bob LeVitus and Ed Tittel (Addison-Wesley, 1992). It's
freeware. If it's not on the net anywhere, I'll happily email a copy to
someone who's willing to upload it (I can't upload through our Internet
firewall).
--
Bob Nichols
AT&T Bell Laboratories
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1r4g7l$fdl@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) writes:
>In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes:
>> I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip,
>>and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back-
>>doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow
>>the market demand for a secure alternative.
>
There are companies (one in Canada, as I recall) which specialize in
analyzing chips to understand process technology, design rules,
... to understand the probable yield of the assembly line making them,
and therefore the probable current cost and possible future cost curves,
given design shrinks, statistical quality control -> better yields, etc.
Taiwanese, Japanese and especially Korean semiconductor manufacturers
have all (korea continues) reverse-engineered foreign chips and
produced the chip. Taiwan and Japan have signed intellectual
property treaties, and now at least extract the gate/transitor level
design before laying the chip out again. The koreans still
use mask-level copying, I believe. At least, they are under a lot
of pressure to pass laws to meet international intellectual property
standards.
All this despite lots of attempts to hide the designs. There are lots
of techniques to do so in both hardware and software design.
For a complex chip, there will be real intellectual effort extracting
the gate design from the transistor design, and the algorithm from
the gate design. But it won't take two smart guys even 6 months, working
40 hour weeks. Koreans work 60 or more 8)
Lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
| 11sci.crypt |
ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229
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PRICE: $300
ITEM: Sony CDP 770
CONDITION: excellent
AGE: 2.5 years old
PRICE: $250
Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have
only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you
are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail
(pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home.
Thanks,
Pete
(412) 687-3735
P.S. Yes, these are for sale again.
| 6misc.forsale |
dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer) writes:
>Rick Bressler (bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com) wrote:
><forgot to leave in his quote source>
>: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
>: >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
>: >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
>The BATF is a part of the dept. of treasury, not justice. If they needed
>to assault a place they could just do like the IRS does...call in the
>federal marshalls service,
The IRS doesn't need to rely on the Federal Marshall's Services; the
IRS has its own Swat teams. I saw a picture of one in an article on
the IRS in some magazine or other.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
The U.S. Government has become a garrotte around the necks of its
citizens. Just as with a garrotte, the more people struggle to breathe
the air of freedom, the more the government tightens its stranglehold. The
only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the
elimination of personal freedom.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Hello,
my name is John and I have the following comic books for sale - please
feel free to make a bid if you'd like. Add one dollar for shipping (USA).
Remember to e-mail your replies to OETH6050@iscsvax.uni.edu - as I am not a
regular on this group. thank you.
Marvel---------
Silver Surfer (current series) #1 (3 copies)
X-factor #1 (2 copies)
Excalibur #1 (the first square bound )
The Punisher #1 (2 copies)
DC Comics--------------
Watchmen #1-12 (one copy each)
The Omega Men #1,2,3 (#3 is the first Lobo appearance]
Green Arrow the longbow hunters #1 (3 copies - all autographed by Mike Grell)
#2 (2 copies)
#3 (only one copy :( )
Alternate Comic Companies -------------------
Get this......
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (not reprints!)
#2 (auto graphed by Kevin Eastman)
#3, and #4
Michaelangelo #1
Donatello #1
Aliens (by DarkHorse Press) #1 (2 copies)
Whitman Comics (1978) ----------------
Star Trek #54 (autographed by James Doohan - you know "Scotty")
Thank you again for your time - John
Oeth6050@iscsvax.uni.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Da
vid Bonds) writes:
>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be
> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fee
l
>
>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the
>ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but
>quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better
>shifter.
>
>
>----
>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system
>Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB
>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the
diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,
and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match
the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a
harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two
(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have
to go with a leftover or "slightly" used model for that price range....tough
decision...
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
--
| 7rec.autos |
I have the 660Mb SCSI-1 disk drive currently used for my Mac
but it can be use for PC also. In good condition , rarely use and
no bad track, 5.25" Full high, fast and quiet for sale $650 plus
shipping (out of SF bay area). And here's spec.:
Model 97548 made by HP,790Mb(Unformatted), seek time 16.5 ms
average,150,000 hours MTBF, 16 heads.
If you're interest please drop me a email.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <93111.141747JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!ames!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!cunyvm!jcehc
Organization: City University of New York
Date: Wednesday, 21 Apr 1993 14:17:47 EDT
From: <JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Message-ID: <93111.141747JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Should Anybody be Permitted to Own a .50 BMG rifle?
Lines: 26
For the moment, forget about BATF incompetence or FBI hubris. Did
anybody catch Rep. Charles Shumer on the news last night holding up
a .50 BMG cartridge and rhetorically asking if anybody should be allowed
to own one of these. (I presume he meant the rifle for which it is chambered
and not the cartridge which you can get for a buck.)
So what's your guess for the upcoming anti-gun agenda:
1. A ban on heavy caliber rifles. (read .50 BMG)
2. A ban on "sniper rifles"
3. A ban on "stockpiling" guns and ammunition.
BTW: Shumer is perhaps the most misinformed congressman I have seen on
the news. I wonder how he finds the floor in the morning.
-------
MICHAEL F. GORDON
JCEHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
"Vote as you shot." (19th Cent Republican campaign slogan )
Shumer is not mis-informed, he knows full well what he is doing.
If you look at his other votes, and positions as an agent of redistribution
of wealth & property in this country, to him guns and personal freedom
are incompatible with his obvious world-view. They are a threat to the
'order' he would impose.
R
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It [collectivism vs individualism] is an ancient conflict. Men have come
close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell
after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The
savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe.
Civilization is the process of setting man free from men."
-- Ayn Rand : 'Roark's speech from the _Fountainhead_'
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't speak for my company. We hire the 'Politically Correct' to do that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article ( ), wsmart@tay.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Bill Smart) writes:
> To get the number back, the other client does:
>
> AppAtom = XInternAtom(display,"ApplicationWindow",True);
> XGetWindowProperty(display,DefaultRootWindow(display),AppAtom,0,8192,
> False,XA_WINDOW,&return_type,&return_format,
> &nitems_return,&bar,&return_place);
>
> and appears to get back something valid (just not the right number).
> It always seems to return the same number, regardless of the window
> number stored in the property.
"return_place" is probably incorrect. It should be a pointer, not an
integer. XGetWindowProperty() allocates memory, copies the data there,
and returns a pointer to the memory. You should free the memory when
you're done.
---
Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <C67nJt.H0u@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>In article <1993Apr26.114220.20245@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>>Jake can call me Doctor Mohandes Brad "Ali" Hernlem (as of last Wednesday)
>
>Congratulations. In what field is this doctorate?
>
>--
>Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
>American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
>My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
I add my congratulations as well. To all those who survive the gauntlet,
cheers.
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
>cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes:
>For example, if I had a program on my disk which created totally random
>files looking like encrypted messages and could demonstrate that the file
>in question *could have been* created by that program, then my claim that
>it was, in fact, created by that program must stand as true (since I'm
>innocent) unless someone can prove me wrong.
HMMM... that brings up a neat idea.
Unfortunately, it's SOOO neat, I think I ought to patent it.
So I can't tell you about it.
Sorry. :-)
-Bill
Copyright 1993 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless)
All rights reserved, no responsibility taken.
"I love the smell of flash powder in the morning! It smells like...like theatre"
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes:
>From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock)
>Subject: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL"
>Date: 6 Apr 93 02:50:27 GMT
>Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture
>of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA
>Today? Any reason given for this?
>
I would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those
SEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture
of the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked "NOT FOR
BASEBALL", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if
they should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they
would consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry
of the future.
Sam Lubchansky spl2@po.cwru.edu
"In the champion, people see what they'd like to be. In the loser,
they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn."
"Sugary condiments secure initial pleasure, but fermented grain is
decidedly more parsimonious of time."
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> biking in a biking forum,
Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
- Roid
| 8rec.motorcycles |
ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron) writes:
>FOR SALE:
>Norelco hot curlers. Asking: $10.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Contact Alec Cameron (x6361).
>--
>Alec Cameron _--_|\ ajc@philabs.philips.com
I know this is the '90s but what is a man doing with hot curlers?
:-)
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
| 7rec.autos |
I am looking for a good used window air conditioner. A small
one is preffered. Call 495-2056 (Peter) and we'll talk about it.
Or email me. "khiet@cn.ecn"
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C69AGI.MJu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:
>I'm wondering if "vandalize" is the proper word to use in this situation. My
>dictionary defines "vandalism" as "the willful or malicious destructuion of
>public or private property, especially of anything beautiful or artisitc." I
>would agree the sky is beautiful, but not that it is public or private property.
It's public because it belongs to everybody. It's vandalism because many people -- power companies -- do maliciously waste light. If they can sell you
or your city or your state an unshielded light that wastes 30 to 50 percent
of its light, they make more _money_. Never mind that your money is wasted.
Never mind that taxpaper's money is wasted. Never mind that the sky is ruined.
Bob Bunge
Greed is Great - Gordon Grekko
| 14sci.space |
In article <93108.164642RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
|> In article <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com>,
|> prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) says:
...
|> ps: hey kids, take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your
|> parents' wallets and mail them to:
|>
|> bob vesterman
|>
And send him a shift key too...
--
Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi,
Could some kind soul please e-mail me a copy of the pinout for the serial
connector on an ImageWriter II printer? We have one that we'd like to hook
up to a PC, and it seems that nobody sells the proper cables anymore. No
problem -- I can make one, but I need to know the pinout first.
Thanks in advance.
---Joel Kolstad
kolstad@cae.wisc.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Help!
I am working on a project that involves using text with foreign language
characters (in this case Norwegian). I have been manipulating the data
with Excell 4.0 and then exporting the data as comma seperated variable
files to an RS6000 workstation. The Norwegian characters show up fine
under Windows, but appear as "funny" characters on the workstation. The
workstation is setup for national language support and we have problem
entering the Norwegian characters from the workstation keyboard.
On further investigation I found that the character codes used by
Windows are different (for these characters) than those specified by the
MSDOS code page. The MSDOS codes seem to be the same as the
workstation. What gives, and how can get around it.
Please reply by E-mail as I will be out of the office the next few days
and will not be reading the news.
Thanks.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Elias Davidsson writes...
ED> The following are quotations from Zionist leaders. They appear in
ED> numerous scholarly works dealing with the Palestine question. I urge those
ED> who have access to original sources, to verify the authenticity of the
ED> source and post here their finding, adhering to the truth whatever it be.
It is your responsibility for posting quotes in context. Your
phony 'research center' is the source of the most unscholarly,
out-of-context, agenda-ridden, and sophmoric propaganda that I
have ever seen. Don't believe me, folks? Let's take a little
stroll through a few of Elias Davidsson's contributions to our
understanding of the middle east.
ED> Quotations from Zionist leaders
ED> 1. "There was no such thing as Palestinians"
ED> (Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel, London Sunday
ED> Times, 15 June 1969)
And what do suggest that she meant by this? Do you think she
meant that the Palestinians don't exist? Or does it actually
mean that the people who self-identify as 'Palestinians,' did
not appear to be a distinct ethnic group in the eyes of Golda
Meir?
ED> 2. "There is, however, a difficulty from which the Zionist
ED> dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it.
ED> Palestine proper has already its inhabitants."
ED> (Israel Zangwill, The Voice of Jerusalem, London 1920,
ED> p.88)
When this was written, seventy three years ago, the people of
the region were not all Jews. They are not all Jews now. No
Jew but the most rabid bigot has ever called for an Israel to
be ONLY for Jews. That was true then. It is true now.
ED> "[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."
ED> (Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel in a speech to
ED> the Knesset,
ED> quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, 'Begin and the "Beasts", New
ED> Statesman, 25 June 1982)
Since you inserted the words 'The Palestinians are' we cannot
know what Begin was talking about.
For someone who wants to embellish his own importance with an
absurd pseudo-organizational name like the 'Center for Policy
Research,' you are not a very honest person.
ED> "Both the process of expropriation [of the Palestinians]
ED> and the removal of the poor must be carried out
ED> discreetly and circumspectly".
ED> (Dr. Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, Herzl Press,
ED> 1960, I., p.88)
Herzl died eighty nine years ago. Are you suggesting that he
has stated what is Israel's policy today? Have you ever seen
Israel even entertain a policy to exclude non-Jews, let alone
actually try to remove non-Jews from Israel? If you actually
believe that this quote has anything to do with Israel's non-
Jewish citizenry today, you are an idiot. But if you realize
that Israel has no intention of removing non-Jewish Israelis,
then you are nothing but a common liar. This one time I will
give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you are stupid.
ED> "We shall try to spirit the penniless population [the
ED> Palestinians] across the border by procuring employment
ED> for it in the transit countries, while denying it any
ED> employment in our own country"
ED> (Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, Herzl Press, 1960,
ED> I, p.88)
Once again you quote a man gone for almost a century. You do
so within the context of modern day Israel.
Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. How does this fact define the
United States today?
ED> "[Jews] must expel Arabs and take their place"
ED> (David Ben Gurion, 1937, quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben
ED> Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press,
ED> 1985, p. 89)
Did he say 'Jews,' or did you add this?
This was also a statement from ten years before Israel became
a state. It has no bearing on Israel.
ED> "We must do everything to ensure they [the
ED> Palestinian refugees] never do return"
ED> (David Ben Gurion, in his diary, 19 July 1948, quoted in
ED> Michael Bar Zohar, Ben Gurion: The Armed Prophet,
ED> Prentice-Hall, 1967, p.157)
YOU added the words 'the Palestinian refugees.' And by doing
so, you are misleading people into believing that Ben Gurion,
who was expressing his hope that people who fled their lands,
at the encouragement of people such as KING ABDULLAH, and the
MUFTI OF JERUSALEM, was gloating over people abandoning their
homes. What he was refering to were the Arabs with whom Jews
were at war.
ED> "The country was mostly an empty desert, with only
ED> a few islands of Arab settlement"
ED> (Shimon Peres, Minister of Defense, quoted in David's
ED> Sling: The Arming of Israel, Weidenfeld and Nicholson,
ED> 1970, p.249)
At the time of the rebirth of Israel this was certainly true,
especially when compared to what Israel has accomplished in a
few short decades.
ED> "All this story about the danger of extermination [of
ED> Jews] has been blown up....to justify the annexation of
ED> new Arab territories"
ED> (Mordechai Bentov, Israeli Cabinet Minister, Al
ED> Hamishmar, 14 April 1972)
Since Israel has not annexed even one millimeter of territory
in more twenty six years, this quote is irrelevant.
ED> "Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can
ED> disqualify terrorism as a means of combat"
ED> (Yitzhak Shamir, Hehazit, Summer 1943 [Journal of the
ED> LEHI, the Stern Gang], translated from the Israeli daily
ED> Al-Hamishmar, 24 December 1987
Again, you are quoting a man who was fighting for what he had
been promised from a time as ancient as biblical, to the time
of the Balfour Declaration, just a few short years back. And
what was thought of and described as terrorism by Jews didn't
include slaughtering Olympic athletes, brutally murdering the
innocent, attacking school buses, and murdering another human
being for the sole reason that he or she is an Arab.
ED> "The domination of Jewish agriculture by Arab
ED> workers is a cancer in our body"
ED> (A. Uzan, Israeli Minister of Agriculture, Ha'aretz, 13
ED> December 1974)
There were serious concerns about a work force that consisted
of people from OUTSIDE Israel. It is a wise to be concerned.
A work force consisting of foreigners is not a good situation
for a country.
ED> "There can be only one national home in Palestine,
ED> and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership
ED> between Jews and Arabs"
ED> (Montague David Eder, President of the Zionist
ED> Federation of Great Britain, 1931,
ED> in Doreen Ingrams, comp., Palestine Papers 1917-1922,
ED> Seeds of Conflict, George Braziller, 1973, p. 135)
This also has no meaning for a country formed seventeen years
after this statement was made. Obviously times change. This
is NOT what Israel is about today. I believe the peace talks
make this quote irrelevant.
ED> "There is not a single Jewish village in this country
ED> that has not been built on the site of an Arab village"
ED> (Moshe Dayan, Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969...)
This is completely false.
ED> "Some people talk of expelling 700,000 to 800,000
ED> Arabs in the event of a new war, and instruments have
ED> been prepared"
ED> (Aharon Yariv, former chief of Israeli military
ED> intelligence, 1980, Inquiry, 8 December 1980)
Expelled from where? Israel? The occupied territories? New
Jersey? Is there any way we can read this and get an idea as
to what on earth he was talking about. Obviously not.
ED> "We should there [in Palestine] form a portion of the
ED> rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization
ED> as opposed to barbarism."
ED> (Dr. Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State, London, 1896, p.
ED> 29)
Interesting notion. Considering that this was written nearly
a century ago, it is quite visionary.
ED> "I deeply believe in launching preventive war
ED> against the Arab States without further hesitation. By
ED> doing so we will achieve two targets: firstly, the
ED> annihilation of Arab power; and secondly, the expansion
ED> of our territory"
ED> (Menachem Begin, in a speech to the Knesset, 12 October
ED> 1955)
This was said nearly forty years ago. Begin is dead. And it
should be obvious to anybody that if Israel was expansionist,
it would have ANNEXED the occupied territories right after it
captured them. Israel would not be negotiating to get rid of
them.
ED> "During the last 100 years our people have been in a
ED> process of building up the country and the nation, of
ED> expansion, of getting additional Jews and additional
ED> settlements in order to expand the borders here. Let no
ED> Jew say that the process has ended. Let no Jew say that
ED> we are near the end of the road."
ED> (Moshe Dayan, Ma'ariv, 7 July 1968)
He's dead, too. And since Israel has not annexed ANY land at
all since 1967, you are once again wasting bandwidth with all
of these misleading quotes. They are so out of sync with the
reality of Israel, that you do nothing but make yourself look
like a fanatic desperate to sway people, by misleading them.
ED> "Let us not today fling accusations at the [Palestinian
ED> Arab] murderers. Who are we that we should argue
ED> against their hatred ? For eight years now they sit in
ED> their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their very eyes,
ED> we turn into our homestead the land and the villages in
ED> which they and their forefathers have lived. We are a
ED> generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and
ED> the cannon we cannot plant a tree and build a home. Let
ED> us not shrink back when we see the hatred fermenting
ED> and filling the lives of hundreds of thousands of Arabs,
ED> who sit all around us. Let us not avert our gaze, so that
ED> our hand shall not slip. This is the fate of our generation,
ED> the choice of our life - to be prepared and armed, strong
ED> and tough - or otherwise, the sword will slip from our
ED> first, and our life will be snuffed out."
ED> (Moshe Dayan, eulogy of Roy Rutenberg at Kibbutz Nahal
ED> Oz, 1956, quoted in Uri Avneri, Israel without Zionists,
Collier Books, Macmillan, New York, 1971, p.154)
Interesting quote. It's true that we should never lose sight
of the plight of these people. We should also recognize that
this quote preceded the disgusting wave of Arab terrorism and
violence directed at innocent people, that began in 1972 with
the massacre of the Israeli athletes in Munich, and continues
to this day.
If your ability to obscure was the equal of your desire to do
so, truthseekers in this group would have a problem. But you
are an easily recognized fanatic, whose stream of misleading,
partial, and out-of-context quotes are totally unfettered by
the burden of truth.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/keyboards
Version: $Revision: 5.11 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 01:20:43 $
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Keyboard Alternatives
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Alternative Keyboard FAQ
Copyright 1992,1993 By Dan Wallach <dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu>
The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not
represent the opinions of any organization or vendor.
[Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors,
{news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu,
sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu, and cstg-L@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu]
Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change ||
bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph. ||
Information in this FAQ has been pieced together from phone conversations,
e-mail, and product literature. While I hope it's useful, the information
in here is neither comprehensive nor error free. If you find something
wrong or missing, please mail me, and I'll update my list. Thanks.
All phone numbers, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. phone numbers.
All monetary figures, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. dollars.
Products covered in this FAQ:
Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues
Apple Computer, Inc.
Key Tronic FlexPro
Dragon Systems
The Bat
DataHand
Comfort Keyboard System
Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard
Maltron
The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem
The Vertical
The MIKey
The Wave
The Minimal Motion Computer Access System
Twiddler
Half-QWERTY
Microwriter
Braille 'n Speak
Octima
AccuKey
GIF pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp
from soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury. (128.32.149.19) I highly
recommend getting the pictures. They tell much more than I can fit
into this file.
If you can't ftp, send me mail, and I'll uuencode and mail them to you
(they're pretty big...)
==============
Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues
Mini outline:
1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port
2. X terminals
3. NeXT
4. Silicon Graphics
5. IBM RS/6000
6. Other stuff
1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port
If you've got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard
(Sun, HP, DEC, etc.) then you're going to have a hard time finding
a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard. If your workstation
runs the X window system, you're in luck. You can buy a cheap used
PC, hook your expensive keyboard up to it, and run a serial cable
to your workstation. Then, run a program on the workstation to read
the serial port and generate fake X keyboard events.
The two main programs I've found to do this are KT and A2X.
a2x is a sophisticated program, capable of controlling the mouse, and
even moving among widgets on the screen. It requires a server
extension (XTEST, DEC-XTRAP, or XTestExtension1). To find out if your
server can do this, run 'xdpyinfo' and see if any of these strings
appear in the extensions list. If your server doesn't have this,
you may want to investigate compiling X11R5, patchlevel 18 or later,
or bugging your vendor.
kt is a simpler program, which should work with unextended X servers.
Another program called xsendevent also exists, but I haven't seen it.
Both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu.
2. X terminals
Also, a number of X terminals (NCD, Tektronics, to name a few) use
PC-compatible keyboards. If you have an X terminal, you may be all
set. Try it out with a normal PC keyboard before you go through the
trouble of buying an alternative keyboard. Also, some X terminals add
extra buttons -- you may need to keep your original keyboard around
for the once-in-a-blue-moon that you have to hit the Setup key.
3. NeXT
NeXT had announced that new NeXT machines will use the Apple Desktop
Bus, meaning any Mac keyboard will work. Then, they announced they
were cancelling their hardware production. If you want any kind of
upgrade for an older NeXT, do it now!
4. Silicon Graphics
Silicon Graphics has announced that their newer machines (Indigo^2 and
beyond) will use standard PC-compatible keyboards and mice. I don't
believe this also applies to the Power Series machines. It's not
possible to upgrade an older SGI to use PC keyboards, except by
upgrading the entire machine. Contact your SGI sales rep for more
details.
5. IBM RS/6000
IBM RS/6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal PC keyboards. ||
Unfortunately, you can't just plug one in. You need two things: a ||
cable converter to go from the large PC keyboard connector to the ||
smaller PS/2 style DIN-6, and a new device driver for AIX. Believe ||
it or not, IBM wrote this device driver recently, I used it, and it ||
works. However, they don't want me to redistribute it. I've been ||
told Judy Hume (512) 823-6337 is a potential contact. If you learn ||
anything new, please send me e-mail. ||
6. Other stuff
Some vendors here (notably: Health Care Keyboard Co. and AccuCorp)
support some odd keyboard types, and may be responsive to your
queries regarding supporting your own weird computer. If you can
get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works (either
from the vendor, or with a storage oscilloscope), you may be in
luck. Contact the companies for more details.
Apple Adjustable Keyboard
Apple Computer, Inc.
Sales offices all over the place.
Availability: February, 1993
Price: $219
Supports: Mac only
Apple has recently announced their new split-design keyboard. The
keyboard has one section for each hand, and the sections rotate
backward on a hinge. The sections do not tilt upward. The keys are
arranged in a normal QWERTY fashion.
The main foldable keyboard resembles a normal Apple Keyboard.
A separate keypad contains all the extended key functions.
The keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests, which are not
directly attachable to the keyboard.
As soon as soda comes back up, I'll have a detailed blurb from
TidBITS available there.
FlexPro Keyboard
Key Tronic
Phone: 800-262-6006
Possible contact: Denise Razzeto, 509-927-5299
Sold by many clone vendors and PC shops
Availability: Spring, 1993 (?)
Price: $489 (?)
Supports: PC only (highly likely)
Keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at Comdex. It's
another split-design. One thumb-wheel controls the tilt of both
the left and right-hand sides of the main alphanumeric section.
The arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101-key PC keyboard.
Keytronic makes standard PC keyboards, also, so this product will
probably be sold through their standard distribution channels.
DragonDictate-30K (and numerous other Dragon products)
Dragon Systems, Inc.
320 Nevada Street
Newton, MA 02160
Phone: 800-TALK-TYP or 617-965-5200
Fax: 617-527-0372
Shipping: Now.
Price: DragonDictate-30K -- $4995 (end user system)
DragonWriter 1000 -- $1595 / $2495 (end user/developer system)
various other prices for service contracts, site licenses, etc.
Compatibility: 386 (or higher) PC only
(3rd party support for Mac)
Free software support for X windows is also available -- your
PC with Dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a
serial cable or network. The program is called a2x, and is
available via anonymous ftp:
soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/a2x.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/a2x.tar.Z (most current)
If you want to use your Dragon product with X windows, you may want
to ask for Peter Cohen, an salesman at Dragon who knows more about
this sort of thing.
Dragon Systems sells a number of voice recognition products.
Most (if not all) of them seem to run on PC's and compatibles
(including PS/2's and other MicroChannel boxes). They sell you
a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number
of popular word processors and spreadsheets.
Each user `trains' the system to their voice, and there are provisions
to correct the system when it makes mistakes, on the fly. Multiple
people can use it, but you have to load a different personality file
for each person. You still get the use of your normal keyboard, too.
On the DragonDictate-30K you need to pause 1/10th sec between
words. Dragon claims typical input speeds of 30-40 words per minute.
I don't have specs on the DragonWriter 1000.
The DragonDictate-30K can recognize 30,000 words at a time.
The DragonWriter 1000 can recognize (you guessed it) 1000 words at a time.
Dragon's technology is also part of the following products
(about which I have no other info):
Microsoft Windows Sound System (Voice Pilot)
IBM VoiceType
Voice Navigator II (by Articulate Systems -- for Macintosh)
EMStation (by Lanier Voice Products -- "emergency medical workstation")
The Bat
old phone number: 504-336-0033
current phone number: 504-766-8082
Infogrip, Inc.
812 North Blvd.
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70802, U.S.A.
Ward Bond (main contact)
David Vicknair (did the Unix software) 504-766-1029
Shipping: Now.
Supports: Mac, IBM PC (serial port -- native keyboard port version
coming very soon...). No other workstations supported, but serial
support for Unix with X Windows has been written. PC and Mac are
getting all the real attention from the company.
A chording system. One hand is sufficient to type everything.
The second hand is for redundancy and increased speed.
Price:
$495 (dual set -- each one is a complete keyboard by itself)
$295 (single)
(cheaper prices were offered at MacWorld Expo as a show-special.)
DataHand 602-860-8584
Industrial Innovations, Inc.
10789 North 90th Street
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260-6727, U.S.A.
Mark Roggenbuck (contact)
Supports: PC and Mac
Shipping: In beta. "Big backlog" -- could take 3+ months.
Price: $2000/unit (1 unit == 2 pods). (new price!) ||
Each hand has its own "pod". Each of the four main fingers has five
switches each: forward, back, left, right, and down. The thumbs have
a number of switches. Despite appearances, the key layout resembles
QWERTY, and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to. The idea is
that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard. The whole pod
tilts in its base, to act as a mouse.
(see also: the detailed review, written by Cliff Lasser <cal@THINK.COM>
available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu)
Comfort Keyboard System 414-253-4131
FAX: 414-253-4177
Health Care Keyboard Company
N82 W15340 Appleton Ave
Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin 53051 U.S.A.
Jeffrey Szmanda (Vice President -- contact)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC (and Mac???) ||
Planned future support:
IBM 122-key layout (3270-style, I believe)
Sun Sparc
Decision Data
Unisys UTS-40
Silicon Graphics
Others to be supported later. The hardware design is relatively
easy for the company to re-configure.
Price: $690, including one system "personality module". ||
The idea is that one keyboard works with everything. You purchase
"compatibility modules", a new cord, and possibly new keycaps, and
then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines.
It's a three-piece folding keyboard. The layout resembles the
standard 101-key keyboard, except sliced into three sections. Each
section is on a "custom telescoping universal mount." Each section
independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each
individual to type in a natural posture. You can rearrange the three
sections, too (have the keypad in the middle if you want). Each
section is otherwise normal-shaped (i.e.: you put all three sections
flat, and you have what looks like a normal 101-key keyboard).
Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard 206-455-9220
206-455-9233 (fax)
Kinesis Corporation
15245 Pacific Highway South,
Seattle, Washington 98188, U.S.A.
Shirley Lunde (VP Marketing -- contact)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC. Mac and Sun Sparc in the works.
Price: $690. Volume discounts available. The $690 includes one foot
pedal, one set of adhesive wrist pads, and a TypingTutor program.
An additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra.
The layout has a large blank space in the middle, even though the
keyboard is about the size of a normal PC keyboard -- slightly
smaller. Each hand has its own set of keys, laid out to minimize
finger travel. Thumb buttons handle many major functions (enter,
backspace, etc.).
You can remap the keyboard in firmware (very nice when software won't
allow the reconfig).
Foot pedals are also available, and can be mapped to any key on the
keyboard (shift, control, whatever).
Maltron (+44) 081 398 3265 (United Kingdom)
P.C.D. Maltron Limited
15 Orchard Lane
East Molesey
Surrey KT8 OBN
England
Pamela and Stephen Hobday (contacts)
U.S. Distributor:
Jim Barrett
Applied Learning Corp.
1376 Glen Hardie Road
Wayne, PA 19087
Phone: 215-688-6866
Supports: PC's, Amstrad 1512/1640, BBC B, BBC Master,
Mac apparently now also available
Price: 375 pounds
$735 shipped in the U.S.A. (basically, converted price + shipping)
The cost is less for BBC computers, and they have a number of
accessories, including carrying cases, switch boxes to use both
your normal keyboard and the Maltron, an articulated arm that
clamps on to your table, and training 'courses' to help you learn
to type on your Maltron.
You can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds/week + taxes.
U.S. price: $120/month, and then $60 off purchase if you want it.
Shipping: Now (in your choice of colors: black or grey)
Maltron has four main products -- a two-handed keyboard, two one-handed
keyboards, and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with
a mouth-stick.
The layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs, and is curved to
bring keys closer to the fingers. A separate keypad is in the middle.
AccuKey
AccuCorp, Inc.
P.O. Box 66
Christiansburg, VA 24073, U.S.A.
703-961-3576 (Pete Rosenquist -- Sales)
703-961-2001 (Larry Langley -- President)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC, Mac, IBM 3270, Sun Sparc, and TeleVideo 935 and 955.
Cost: $495 + shipping.
Doesn't use conventional push-keys. Soft rubber keys, which rock
forward and backward (each key has three states), make chords for
typing keys. Learning time is estimated to be 2-3 hours, for getting
started, and maybe two weeks to get used to it.
Currently, the thumbs don't do anything, although a thumb-trackball
is in the works.
The company claims it takes about a week of work to support a
new computer. They will be happy to adapt their keyboard to
your computer, if possible.
Twiddler 516-474-4405, or 800-638-2352
Handykey
141 Mt. Sinai Ave.
Mt. Sinai, NY 11766
Chris George (President)
Shipping: now.
Price: $199.
Supports: PC only. Mac and X Windows in the works.
The Twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse, and it fits in one hand.
You type via finger chords. Shift, control, etc. are thumb buttons.
When in "mouse" mode, tilting the Twiddler moves the mouse, and mouse
buttons are on your fingers.
The cabling leaves your normal keyboard available, also.
Most applications work, and Windows works fine. DESQview has trouble.
GEOWorks also has trouble -- mouse works, keyboard doesn't.
Braille 'n Speak 301-879-4944
Blazie Engineering
3660 Mill Green Rd.
Street, Md 21154, U.S.A.
(information provided by Doug Martin <martin@nosc.mil>)
The Braille N Speak uses any of several Braille codes for entering
information: Grade I, Grade II, or computer Braille. Basically,
letters a-j are combinations of dots 1, 2, 4, and 5. Letters k-t are
the same combinations as a-j with dot 3 added. Letters u, v, x, y, and
z are like a-e with dots 3 and 6 added. (w is unique because Louis
Braille didn't have a w in the French alphabet.)
The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem 415-969-8669
Tony Hodges
The Tony! Corporation
2332 Thompson Court
Mountain View, CA 94043, U.S.A.
Supports: Mac, PC, IBM 3270, Sun, and DEC.
Shipping: ???
Price: $625 (you commit now, and then you're in line to buy the
keyboard. When it ships, if it's cheaper, you pay the cheaper price.
If it's more expensive, you still pay $625)
The Tony! should allow separate positioning of every key, to allow
the keyboard to be personally customized. A thumb-operated mouse
will also be available.
The Vertical
Contact: Jeffrey Spencer or Stephen Albert, 619-454-0000
P.O. Box 2636
La Jolla, CA 92038, U.S.A.
Supports: no info available, probably PC's
Available: Summer, 1993
Price: $249
The Vertical Keyboard is split in two halves, each pointing straight up.
The user can adjust the width of the device, but not the tilt of each
section. Side-view mirrors are installed to allow users to see their
fingers on the keys.
The MIKey 301-933-1111
Dr. Alan Grant
3208 Woodhollow Drive
Chevy Chase, Maryland 20815, U.S.A.
Shipping: As of July, 1992: "Should be Available in One Year."
Supports: PC, Mac (maybe)
Price: $200 (estimated)
The keyboard is at a fixed angle, and incorporates a built-in mouse
operated by the thumbs. Function keys are arranged in a circle at
the keyboard's left.
The Wave (was: 213-) 310-644-6100
FAX: 310-644-6068
Iocomm International Technology
12700 Yukon Avenue
Hawthorne, California 90250, U.S.A.
Robin Hunter (contact -- in sales)
Cost: $99.95 + $15 for a set of cables
Supports: PC only.
Shipping: now.
Iocomm also manufactures "ordinary" 101-key keyboard (PC/AT) and
84-key keyboard (PC/XT), so make sure you get the right one.
The one-piece keyboard has a built-in wrist-rest. It looks *exactly*
like a normal 101-key PC keyboard, with two inches of built-in wrist
rest. The key switch feel is reported to be greatly improved.
The Minimal Motion Computer Access System 508-263-6437
508-263-6537 (fax)
Equal Access Computer Technology
Dr. Michael Weinreigh
39 Oneida Rd.
Acton, MA 01720, U.S.A.
Price: InfoGrip-compatible: "a few hundred dollars" + a one-handed Bat
For their own system: $300 (DOS software) + "a few hundred dollars"
Shipping: these are custom-made, so an occupational therapist would
make moulds/do whatever to make it for you. You can buy one now.
Supports: PC only, although the InfoGrip-compatible version might
work with a Mac.
In a one-handed version, there is exactly one button per finger. In a
two-handed version, you get four buttons per finger, and the thumbs
don't do anything. You can also get one-handed versions with three
thumb buttons -- compatible with the InfoGrip Bat. Basically, get it
any way you want.
They also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording.
Works on a PC under DOS, not Windows. Planning on Macintosh and
PC/Windows support. No work has been done on a Unix version, yet.
Half-QWERTY (Canada) 416-749-3124
The Matias Corporation
178 Thistledown Boulevard
Rexdale, Ontario, Canada
M9V 1K1
E-mail: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu
Supports: Mac and PC (but, not Windows)
Demo for anonymous ftp: explorer.dgp.toronto.edu:/pub/Half-QWERTY ||
Price: $129.95 (higher in Canada, quantity discounts available)
Shipping: Now.
This thing is purely software. No hardware at all.
The software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the space
bar, allowing you type one-handed.
Octima (Israel) 972-4-5322844
FAX: (+972) 3 5322970
Ergoplic Keyboards Ltd.
P.O. Box 31
Kiryat Ono 55100, Israel
(info from Mandy Jaffe-Katz <RXHFUN@HAIFAUVM.BITNET>)
A one-handed keyboard.
Microwriter AgendA (U.K.) (+44) 276 692 084
FAX: (+44) 276 691 826
Microwriter Systems plc
M.S.A. House
2 Albany Court
Albany Park
Frimley
Surrey GU15 2XA, United Kingdom
(Info from Carroll Morgan <Carroll.Morgan@prg.oxford.ac.uk>)
The AgendA is a personal desktop assistant (PDA) style machine. You
can carry it along with you. It has chording input. You can also
hook it up to your PC, or even program it.
It costs just under 200 pounds, with 128K memory.
===========
Thanks go to Chris Bekins <AS.CCB@forsythe.stanford.edu> for providing
the basis for this information.
Thanks to the numerous contributors:
Doug Martin <martin@nosc.mil>
Carroll Morgan <Carroll.Morgan@prg.oxford.ac.uk>
Mandy Jaffe-Katz <RXHFUN@HAIFAUVM.BITNET>
Wes Hunter <Wesley.Hunter@AtlantaGA.NCR.com>
Paul Schwartz <pschwrtz@cs.washington.edu>
H.J. Woltring <WOLTRING@NICI.KUN.NL>
Dan Sorenson <viking@iastate.edu>
Chris VanHaren <vanharen@MIT.EDU>
Ravi Pandya <ravi@xanadu.com>
Leonard H. Tower Jr. <tower@ai.mit.edu>
Dan Jacobson <Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM>
Jim Cheetham <jim@oasis.icl.co.uk>
Cliff Lasser <cal@THINK.COM>
Richard Donkin <richardd@hoskyns.co.uk>
Paul Rubin <phr@napa.Telebit.COM>
David Erb <erb@fullfeed.com>
Bob Scheifler <rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Chris Grant <Chris.Grant@um.cc.umich.edu>
Scott Mandell <sem1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>
and everybody else who I've probably managed to forget.
The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not
represent the opinions of any organization or vendor.
--
Dan Wallach "One of the most attractive features of a Connection
dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces
Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48.
| 13sci.med |
In article 6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu, penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) writes:
>On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote:
>
>| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers.
>| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard.
>| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work
>| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W).
>
>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is
>DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of
>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between
>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the
>interface between the controller and the memory.
>
>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance.
>
>--
>Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu
>
>Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine.
I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get
985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my
transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller
transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface
got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to
improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck
(although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big
main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either.
---
Chris Brinton
Teradyne, Inc.
brinton@icd.teradyne.com
"My opinions are my own, but you're welcome to them."
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I have a nice VXC Moniterm 19 in B/W monitor, formerly used on an ATARI ST.
I think such monitors are / have been used on macs.
Can someone tell me what mac can use it, what card I should get to use it, etc..
This monitor also has a label on the front saying Viking 2/90, and has a DB9
connector.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I just got out of the Army. Go signal corps or Intelligence;
photointelligence interpretation. If you go ADA you might get to play with
rockets but space will look pretty far away dug in the mud next to a grunt
protecting the foward troops from low flying objects. Good Luck
* Origin: *AmeriComm*, 214/373-7314. Dallas'Info Source. (1:124/6507)
| 14sci.space |
I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the
SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each
time I want to print something???
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>"The doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
>of evolutionary biology has inflamed passions. There is lack of agreement
>even within warring camps. Sometimes it seems as if there are as many
>variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."
>
>Niles Eldridge (yes he's a paleontologist); Natural History; "Evolutionary
>Housecleaning"; Feb 1982; pg. 78.
So?
Of course he's a paleontologist. He's also an evolutionist. In fact,
I'm damn glad he's made it apparent that evolutionary biology has the
ability to adapt to new lines of evidence and to develop new theories.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be science; it would be something like
creationism.
So when should we expect your next out-of-context quote, John E. King?
Do creationists like yourself ever use anything other than appeal to
authority to support arguments? Like science, maybe? I guess not.
(And they wonder why they can't teach creationism in science
classrooms.)
--
Brett J. Vickers "Don't go around saying the world owes you
bvickers@ics.uci.edu a living. The world owes you nothing.
It was here first." - Mark Twain
| 0alt.atheism |
Remco Hartog (remcoha@htsa.aha.nl) wrote:
: I have a little question:
:
: I need to convert RGB-coded (Red-Green-Blue) colors into HVS-coded
: (Hue-Value-Saturnation) colors. Does anyone know which formulas to
: use?
Lets see if I have this right... HSV == HSB == HSL ... and none of those
are the same as HLS. Hopefully, HVS is just a transposition of HSV, and
not yet another color model...
The following code should do the HSV (HSL) coding (I haven't tried it yet)
(Thanks to bultman@dgw.rws.nl)
Another possibility is /mirrors/msdos/graphics/graphgem.zip on
wuarchive.wustl.edu.
Bill Neisius
bill@solaria.hac.com
----------------
The following code is from the starbase (HP) manual:
(all coordinates noralised at 0-1 interval)
hsl_to_rgb(hue, saturation, luminosity, red, green, blue)
float hue, saturation, luminosity; /* input in HSL */
float *red, *green, *blue; /* output in RGB */
{
float frac, lx, ly, lz; /* temporaries */
hue = 6 * hue;
frac = hue - (int) hue;
lx = luminosity * (1 - saturation);
ly = luminosity * (1 - saturation * frac);
lz = luminosity * (1 - saturation * (1 - frac));
switch ((int) hue) {
case 0: case 6:
*red = luminosity; *green = lz; *blue = lx; break;
case 1:
*red = ly; *green = luminosity; *blue = lx; break;
case 2:
*red = lx; *green = luminosity; *blue = lz; break;
case 3:
*red = lx; *green = ly; *blue = luminosity; break;
case 4:
*red = lz; *green = lx; *blue = luminosity; break;
case 5:
*red = luminosity; *green = lx; *blue = ly; break;
}
}
/******************************************************************************/
rgb_to_hsl(red, green, blue, hue, saturation, luminosity)
#define max(a, b, c) ((a>b?a:b)>c?(a>b?a:b):c)
#define min(a, b, c) ((a<b?a:b)<c?(a<b?a:b):c)
float red, green, blue; /* input in RGB */
float *hue, *saturation, *luminosity; /* output in HSL */
{
float x, tempr, tempg, tempb; /* temporary values */
*hue = 0.0;
*saturation = 1.0;
*luminosity = max(red, green, blue);
x = min(red, green, blue);
if (*luminosity != 0.0) { /* calculate only if necessary */
*saturation = (*luminosity - x) / *luminosity;
if (*saturation != 0.0) { /* calculate only if necessary */
tempr = (*luminosity - red ) / (*luminosity - x);
tempg = (*luminosity - green) / (*luminosity - x);
tempb = (*luminosity - blue ) / (*luminosity - x);
if (red == *luminosity)
*hue = (green == x ? 5 + tempb : 1 - tempg);
else if (green == *luminosity)
*hue = (blue == x ? 1 + tempr : 3 - tempb);
else
*hue = (red == x ? 3 + tempg : 5 - tempr);
*hue /= 6;
}
}
}
| 1comp.graphics |
[MODERATOR: Nice summary, Keith, thanks.]
I talked to the federal Dept. of Justice (DOJ, Ottawa) to try and
clarify a bunch of things regarding changes to Canadian gun laws.
I am posting here for informational purposes; questions to email,
followup to t.p.g.
1. It is still technically feasible (but almost impossible) to get
a concealed carry permit in Canada. This is contrary to what I
was told by a police officer.
2. It is still legal to use lethal force (such as a firearm) to
protect life, also contrary to what the officer told me. Guns
must be stored locked up and unloaded, however.
3. Regarding hi-capacity magazines, it is still not clear who will
be exempt or how this will be managed. This is up to each province.
The general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter/form
authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines.
Apparently, the authorization is to specify how many of these
'prohibited weapons' you will be allowed to possess. Dealers will
be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess
them, but will not be allowed to stock them.
4. High capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will
not be considered prohibited weapons. Amendments to the regulations
specify some possible methods to alter the magazines. Some
manufacturers (Beretta) will be marketing reduced capacity magazines.
(God knows how much they'll charge for these)
This covers most of what we discussed. I have typed this from memory,
do not take it as gospel. I am not a lawyer and I refuse to play one on TV.
--
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| Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng | IPSC Ontario, OHA, NFA, SFC, OFAH |
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narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain) writes:
>Mark Ira Kaufman writes
>> ... ... ...
>> A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of
>> 400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State
>> of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive
>> treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.
>Never mind the fact that these people were denied the right to a fair trial.
>And Israel was supposed to uphold "Western values", eh?
>> ... ... ...
>> I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any
>> compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so
>> basic to both Christianity and Islam.
Your doubts are unsubstantiated, have some faith in us..
>Check your facts before bashing Islam again. While there may be Muslim
>anti-semites, this is no way a tenet of the religion. Saying anti-semitism is
Yes I agree.. Lets say I call my self a XXX. I go and shoot your family
in cold blood. Does that mean that XXX is responsible? No. I am.
People tend to associate others with color/creed/etc.. it is a form of racism.
>"basic" to Islam is implicating the entire Muslim world, based on a selective
>sampling of a few people, and it flies in the face of what Islam teaches.
>Peace.
>--
> / * \ Nizam Arain \ What makes the universe
>|| || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend
>| \___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \ is that there is nothing
> \_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with.
--
Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu
After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu
If responses to this letter/post bounce, e-mail me at the nyx account.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes...
^^-- name?
>(stephen) writes:
>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure,
>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast,
>
>I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his
>sermon.
Other than it tells quite a lot about the Man himself.
>It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people.
Are you the spokesman for "most people?"
>>I've enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes
>>he exactly used. As a Christian sermon, it's pretty good, if not
>>inspired.
>>
>>Though I differ in part on some of his conclusions, the argument
>>he presents is well backed -- which is why it's taken me this long
>>to work through -- still ongoing.
>>
>>If you thought it was rambling -- that says far more about you than
>>it does Koresh.
>
>You've made me curious. What does this say about me?
That you don't recognize the Biblical commentary used. Those in the
church know the language though, and have no such excuse.
>>First Seal in Revelation 6, the entirety of Psalms 45, and the
>>most of Revelation 19 -- which demonstrated one of his major points
>>about how the writings in the Prophets (including David), and in
>>the Psalms, and in Revelation are all telling the same story when
>>you understand how they're related (ie have the key). They largely
>>explain each other.
>
>Charles Manson used revelation as well. Do we see a pattern here?
>I wonder if Koresh liked the Beatles?
You missed the point -- which is that the Prophets, the Psalms, and
Revelation, all together, provide a very rich view of a very special
event -- a wedding.
>Koresh was a nut, okay? Just because he found ways for the Bible
>to backup his rantings does not make him any less of a kook.
How are you able to make such a conclusion? Please note, that the
first part of Revelation makes it clear that the address is to those
in the church. That said, it doesn't hurt to try to see what the
prophecies are ahead of time -- for those outside the church.
>>Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
>>for the message he carried.
>
>I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set
>the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to
>be a martyr. He did not "get killed", he killed himself.
So you say. It should be interesting to see what the investigators
conclude, and what the final judgments are.
>>In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption.
>>Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten?
>
>The evil was inside the compound. All that "thou shalt not kill" stuff.
So much for war and government eh.
>>Oh yeah, one last point for the believers -- Philippian 2:14-19.
>
>For the rest of us, could you please post the text?
Very glad you asked, since I goofed -- it should be Philippian 1:14-19:
(here from NIV)
Because of my chains, most of the brothers in the Lord
have been encouraged to speak the word of God more
courageously and fearlessly.
It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and
rivalry, but others out of good will. The latter do so
in love, knowing that I am put here for the gospel.
The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not
sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for
me while I am chains. But what does it matter?
The important thing is that in every way, whether from
false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because
of this I rejoice.
My comment stems from the realization that we who love the Lord, are
human and imperfect. Whatever we "preach," no matter how eloquent, or
how corrupted -- is of little difference. Those who know the Master's
voice will recognize Him -- a gem-stone amidst rock. Such is also the
lesson of the "stumblingblock." For those who have an ear to hear.
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-- J --
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| stephen
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:
>Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because
>sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of
>course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases,
>so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would
>not count then, either.
>My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack
>of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me,
>either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8)
But why would you want to use RBI? RBI is an attempt to measure is some
combination of clutch hitting and power hitting. If you believe in
clutch hitting, then look at how the guy hit with RISP. If you want to
see how good of a slugger he is, then look at his slugging average.
In terms of evaluating players, RBI totals are better than nothing. But
why use them when so many better stats are out there?
--
David Frohardt-Lane dfl@math.wayne.edu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!!
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In <1993Apr9.154316.19778@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>In article <kmr4.1483.734243128@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>> If I state that I know that there is a green marble in a closed box,
>>which I have _never_ seen, nor have any evidence for its existance; I would
>>be guilty of deceit, even if there is, in fact, a green marble inside.
>>
>> The question of whether or not there is a green marble inside, is
>>irrelevent.
>You go ahead and play with your marbles.
I love it, I love it, I love it!! Wish I could fit all that into a .sig
file! (If someone is keeping a list of Bobby quotes, be sure to include
this one!)
>>
>> Stating an unproven opinion as a fact, is deceit. And, knowingly
>>being decietful is a falsehood and a lie.
>So why do you think its an unproven opinion? If I said something as
>fact but you think its opinion because you do not accept it, then who's
>right?
The Flat-Earthers state that "the Earth is flat" is a fact. I don't accept
this, I think it's an unproven opinion, and I think the Round-Earthers are
right because they have better evidence than the Flat-Earthers do.
Although I can't prove that a god doesn't exist, the arguments used to
support a god's existence are weak and often self-contradictory, and I'm not
going to believe in a god unless someone comes over to me and gives me a
reason to believe in a god that I absolutely can't ignore.
A while ago, I read an interesting book by a fellow called Von Daenicken,
in which he proved some of the wildest things, and on the last page, he
wrote something like "Can you prove it isn't so?" I certainly can't, but
I'm not going to believe him, because he based his "proof" on some really
questionable stuff, such as old myths (he called it "circumstancial
evidence" :] ).
So far, atheism hasn't made me kill anyone, and I'm regarded as quite an
agreeable fellow, really. :)
--
Sami Aario | "Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode
a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."
-------------------' "Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"
Eros in "Plan 9 From Outer Space" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros.
| 0alt.atheism |
(Wouldn't it be nice if Subject: lines had something to do
with nessage bodies!)
I wonder if the Universe would look like a Black Hole
from "outside"? How could we posit an "Outside", whether called
DeSitter space, hyperspace, parallel universes, whatever?
Suppose that such a space existed, and that our universe
looked like a Black Hole in it. Then our Universe could be open
to it through Hawking radiation, the same way Black Holes are
within our Universe. Note this is all the purist speculation
and noone knows what laws govern QM beyond the event horizon
of our universe. Can laws change at such boundaries of space-time?
Bruce Salem
| 19talk.religion.misc |
We have a setup with with 13 polaroid transducers and rangefinders. We
would like to fire these three at a time with about 5 ms between
firings. The three that are being fired do not fire in the same
direction.
To further explain the situation, assume we are firing sonars A,B,C
5 ms apart each other. We should normally see an echo on A that
corresponds to the distance. However, sonar A detects the INIT line
of sonar B! The detection is actually through the transducer of sonar A;
we can see a very faint 50Khz signal on the transducer, exactly at the
time the init line of sonar B is activated.
We feel that there is some ground coupling that is causing this interference.
We came to this conclusion since we are using a separate power supply
for sonars B and C.
Has anyone else had any problems with these particular units and
this type of experience? Your suggestions for remedies will be greatly
appreciated.
--
Caglan M. Aras [] aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu
ECE Department [] ph: 919-515-5405
North Carolina State University[] fx: 919-515-5523
Raleigh, NC 27695 []
| 12sci.electronics |
>This is the qvthost.rc file.
>137.112.5.2
>137.112.199.50
>
>
>
The host file requires the names that you'll be using in addition to the ip address
sucb as
100.0.0.1 name.server.name
100.2.2.1 name.router.name
Carols@ohsu.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I'm working on a system which uses a given set of 3D key frame
positions (x,y,z) to control an imaginary camera movement. I'm
using Kochanek-Bartels splines (as described in the SIGGRAPH '84
proceedings) to create a variable number of inbetweens between
the key frames. I want the inbetweens to be given in the form
(x,y,z,dx,dy,dz) where the last three argumentsa are the x, y and
z component of the viewing direction vector of the camera when
positioned at (x,y,z).
The method presented by Kochanek and Bartels only deals with the
positions of the inbetween view points to be generated. I've
tried to set the viewing direction at a view point equal to the
chord between the two adjacent view points (which in general are
not key frames), but this causes a sligt discontinuity of the
viewing direction vector at the key frame positions (although
the spatial movement seems to work fine; and I'm quite certain
- I think :) - that I've not simply made an implementation
error...)
Now I wonder if anyone out there has used this spline form for
similar purposes and how they decided the viewing vectors.
I'd appreciate replies to be emailed to me at
iharkest@lise.unit.no
Anyone else interested in the answer will be sent a summary of
the replies if they contact me.
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\\ N G E \\==\\ A R K E S T A D iharkest@lise.unit.no Comp. Sc.
\\________\\ \\_______________ NTH (Norwegian Institute of Technology)
"Some people play hard to get, I play hard to want" (Ford Fairlane)
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr5.194541.27176@Virginia.EDU> jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>") writes:
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM writes:
>> It is getting ridiculous. You are breaking the article into two lines
>> increments making it hard to respond to. You must be logical to do that,
>> right? I am going to briefly answer to some of your silly comments.
>
>Silly describes your rejoinders perfectly.
>
I did not get this one.
>> Don't put words in my mouth, The invasion of Kuwait is illegal and I
>> condemned it. The Support for Saddam from some of the Arabs came later after
>> the confrontation with the West started, it was not because he occupied
>> Kuwait, it was for his confrontation with the West.
>
>Agreed.
>
>> Oh no you scared me, I did not mean to say that. Listen you fool, Haifa
>> is my fathers land. If I support peace this means that I am willing to
>> give up part of Palestine for peace not because I just realized that
>> Haifa belongs to your parents.
>
>Fine, land for peace. Where does that leave us? Note that
>maybe, theoretically, Morocco can be my 'father's land.' Does that
>give me the right to pre-empt King Hassan automatically?
>
It leaves us with peace. If Morocco is your father's land then you
have the right to live there, absolutely.
>Jon, jac2y@virginia.edu
Nabil
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1rbn60$gs7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>In a previous article, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) says:
>>In a previous article, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) says:
>>> How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the
>>>Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these
>>>countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic
>>>Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious.
>the last arab country was syria. but not all of them
>migrated due to the jewish state economical and
>securital dilemma!
I have no idea what this guy means but the Syrian Jews are not allowed
to leave Syria because Assad welshed on his promise and is not letting
them go. Israel has nothing to do with it.
As for the other Arab countries there are still small communities left
in some Arab countries. Morocco has the largest group I think comprising
perhaps just over a thousand (but I have lost the exact figure. Maybe
someone will be so kind as to post it). There are communities left in
Yemen (which went to the polls yesterday in what might appear to be a
free-ish election), Algeria (this is a tiny group, a couple of leftist
intellectuals I think), of course Syria and Lebannon.
The circumstances of the departure of the Jews from various Arab countries
is controversial in some cases - like Iraq - and I do not want to get into
a dispute about it. Egypt expelled most of its community outright. Most of
the French North African Jews left rather than face Independence. I think
that Moroccans might have been encouraged by some AntiSemitic acts but I
am not sure. Someone else around here will know for sure. There are claims
that Israeli intellegence officers spread rumours around Algeria that the
Jews would not be welcome but this is probably just propaganda. It would
take a very stupid person not to realise the benefits of a move to France
(as most did) or to Israel. Yemeni Jews were airlifted to Israel. Those
left were rumoured to have another airlift last year but I heard nothing
about it so I guess it was just a rumour. Any I left out except Iraq?
Joseph Askew
--
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
From Israel Line, Thursday, April 22, 1993:
Today's HA'ARETZ reports that three women were injured when a
Katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community. The rocket
was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the Galilee in
northern Israel yesterday by the terrorist Hizbullah organization [...]
In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu
(Brad Hernlem) wrote:
Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every
Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral
bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli
government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.
Apparently, the Hizbollah were encouraged by Brad's cheers
(good job, Brad). Someone forgot to tell them, though, that
Brad asks them to place only Israeli _sons_ in the grave,
not daughters. Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that
the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's
holding to the security zone.
Noam
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr17.031520.13902@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
|> The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is
|> for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not
|> end to end, I think. End to end will come later.
Encrypting just the radio link doesn't make sense to me. That means the telco
has to do the decryption, and hence they need the keys. How are they going to be
kept secure?
| 11sci.crypt |
Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be
for Columbus+500?
In article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes:
>
>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar
> Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject
> back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information.
>
>Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr28.023749.9259@informix.com>, hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman) writes:
> In article <1rjn0eINNnqn@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> wiesel-elisha@yale.edu (Elisha Wiesel) writes:
>>Recently I've come upon a body of literature which promotes colon
>>cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition.
>
> No doubt the sci.med* folks are getting out their flamethrowers. I'm
> rather certain that the information you got was not medical literature
> in the accepted academic/scientific journals. So, the righteous among
> them will no doubt jump on that.
>
> Also, insofar as it doesn't conform to the accepted medical presumption
> that it just doesn't matter what you eat, and that we can think of the
> GI tract as a black box in which nothing ever goes wrong (except for
> maybe cancer and ulcers), the righteous will no doubt jump on that too.
>
> Then there'll be the ones who call your doctor a raving quack, even
> though he, like Linus Pauling, is lucid and robust well into his
> nineties--but nevermind about that. He shouldn't charge for his
> equipment and supplies, since they're no doubt not approved by the
> FDA. Of course, with FDA approval an MD or pharmaceutical company can
> charge whatever they can get for such safe and effective treatments as
> thalidomide. But nevermind about that either.
>
> Unfortunately, you dared to step into the sacred turf of Net.Medical.
> Discussion without a credential and without understanding that the
> righteous among them will make certain that you are suitably denounced
> before dismissing you as a fool.
>
> But maybe somebody without such a huge chip on their shoulder will
> send you some reasonable responses by e-mail.
>
> 1/2 ;^)
>
> 1/2 ;^(
>
> Oh yes, I did have a point. A few years ago an MD with a thriving
> practice in a very wealthy part of Silicon Valley once recommended that
> I take such treatments to clear up a skin condition. (Not through his
> office, I might add.) Although I'm sure that's not conclusive, it was
> sure an unusual prescription!
>
The bacteria in your gut are important. But colonic flushes are not the
way to improve gut function. Each person has almost a unique mix of
bacteria in his/her gut. Diet affects this mix as does the use of
antibiotics. A diet change is a much better way to alter the players in
your gut than is colonic flushes. Cross contamination has been a real
problem in some of the outfits that do this "treatment" since the equipment
is not always cleaned as well as it should be between patient "treatments".
Dental drills have me a little concerned about HIV infection and I've
picked a dentist that uses both chemical and autoclave sterilization of his
instruments(more clostly but much safer). Full sterile technique is
also used just like that practiced in an OR(mask, gloves and gowns worn and
disposed of between patients). Each visit costs me 15 dollars more than
the standard and customary fee so I have to pay it out of pocket. His much
higher fees do not drive away patients.
I can not think of any good reason why someone should subject themselves to
this colonic flush procedure. For very little, if any benefit, you
subject yourself to hepatitis, cholera, parasitic disease and even HIV.
Just ask yourself why someone might resort to this kind of treatment?
Could they be having GI distress? Could this distress be due to a
pathogenic organism? Could I get this organism if the equipment is not
cleaned properly between patients? Do I really want to take this risk?
Food for thought.
Marty B.
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Gasp!
I've just spent 3 hours catching up on sci.crypt here (slow reader I
guess) and I really have to put out a few comments too. First, let me
flame the famous Dave S. : He's obviously only 10 years old. Cut him
some slack. :^}
The joke about Clinton/crypto/drugs slammed me thru the roof. Nice job
guys! I've been working on marijuana legalization for over 5 years
now, Clinton's actions so far have really helped. But because of
government action taken against various other groups, I have developed
a 64 bit DES based on public literature to protect my mailing list.
The S-boxes are the critical component, and since I chose 32 out of 57
based on the key, cracking this DES is going to tough. (The reason it
slows you down a touch is that for each key you try you need to use a
different set of s-boxes, I know it's only a vector, but it sure makes
random search a pain). Several marijuana legalization groups have had
their mailing lists confiscated when people were charged with drug
use/sales. It's not a crime to be a member of a legalization org,
*but* you will be watched.
It really is important to write a letter to every official you
personally vote for to explain *why* your privacy is being destroyed by
the "cripple chip". Amazingly enough they do listen when they get
*enough* mail. The Doonsbery jokes about NRA postcards are real, and
the IMI (Illinois Marijuana Initiative) has grown to the point where we
*are* seeing some changes.
It's pretty clear that all the hullabaloo is really about the
implimentation decision being made behind our backs. As Vesselin
points out, this was common practice in communist regimes (and may be
again depending on how the vote goes). But just as criminals have guns
and "law abiding" citizens don't, and criminals like me have marijuana
and "law abiding" subjects don't, criminals like me will have secure
crypto while "law abiding" robots don't. PGP is nice, but as time goes
on we all can do better. And to save our hides we will.
Someone posted an excerpt from Machiavelli. He's my favorite dude.
500 years ago he saw clearly how people *are*, and tried to explain
that to "princes" who wanted people to *obey*. One section not quoted
(I've got "The Prince" at home, so I'll just paraphrase :) ) had to do
with conquring a free city. The only way is to *completly destroy*
it. Failing that, you must appoint locals to high positions and accept
the people's customs. Even after 100 years of oppression, a people
will remember their heratige and rise up to overthrow the oppresive
government. And he gave an example. And that was 300 years *before*
Thomas Jefferson.
There were questions about watching traffic. Only *interesting* traffic
is watched: stuff that goes overseas and comes back; stuff with keywords
like marijauana, cryptography, NSA; certain individuals who are known
subversives, etc. It is easy enough to store all that traffic. So if
you know how to be *subversive* i.e. how to be unseen, it's pretty easy
to go unnoticed for a long time. The stronger your crypto system and the
less you're noticed, the better your chances of developing an organization
which can diseminate truth to the masses.
Which gets me to the thread about a "public encrypted conference".
That's just silly. The first thing the feds do is send in an
infiltrator (like Dave S.) and they know what you're doing. It will be
fun for teenagers and college students, but for the real world it's
pretty pointless. Crypto is useful for more things than hiding where
you get your marijuana.
Guns, drugs and crypto do have some commonality: there are people in
government who want you to *obey* their rules. As Lundquist says in
alt.drugs "Live free or don't". Machiavelli pointed out that's just
how most people actually live, inspite of appearences to the contrary.
It's true that the decision to shove the clipper (not the same thing as
Intergraph's!!!) down our throats violates the principles of what the
U.S. was founded on, but the government is full of idiotic robots
called bureaucrats and there's less to worry about than one might
think. Only really innocent (read naive) subjects of the U.S. will be
hurt by this, the rest of us *criminals* will live in secure freedom.
de Toqueville pointed out 150+ years ago that the tyranny of the
majority will be mitigated by the mediocrity of the government.
And given what I see government officials doing where I work (Argonne
National Lab.) the level of stupidity makes Dave S. look smart.
Patience, persistence, truth, work: dvader@hemp-imi.hep.anl.gov
Dr. mike home: mrosing@igc.org
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| 11sci.crypt |
In article <Apr.7.23.20.24.1993.14263@athos.rutgers.edu>,
3225200@qucdn.queensu.ca writes:
> I have heard an interesting notion that sin can "block" our prayers to God,
> i.e. God will not hear our prayers if we have not confessed our sins. Now I am
> totally supportive of confessing our sins before God, but I simply do not
> believe God will "shut us out" just because we did not confess. This is kind of
> like the idea that suffering is caused by sin, which, as any Job reader will
> realize, is too simpilistic.
{rest deleted}
Can the Father possibly not hear the words of His children.
Of course He hears all your prayers.
Whether you are a sinner or a saint, no questions.
The real question you should be asking is: "Does sin block OUR hearing His
answer?" And the answer to that question is a resounding YES.
To paraphrase the gospel "Many are called but few choose to listen"
and so it is with prayer.
In Christ,
James
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James Hale Lincoln School of Health Sciences
Computing Unit La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA
James.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au
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"The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes,
and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder.
He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear,
and no one who is different from himself."
Text, P 418
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform -
and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road
uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason
for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all
green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing
money to be made in sales of new merchandise.
Jeffrey Popovich
jpopovich@guvax.georgetown.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
>But Apple HD SC says "Unable to locate a suitable drive on SCSI"...
>what's he doing wrong?
Apples HDSC will only format a hard drive that Apple sold. You need to use
a third party formater like Drive7 or SpotOn.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I have the following computer items for sale:
Item Condition Price
(a) Color EGA card and monitor Working $180.00
Monitor made by Zenith
(b) (3) 1Mx8 80ns SIMMS by MT Working $ 25.00/each
(16) 256K 80NS SIMMS by OKI Working $ 3.00/each
(4) 256K 100NS SIMMS by IT Working $ 2.75/each
(4) 256K 100NS SIMMS by Motorola Working $ 2.75/each
(4) 256K 120NS SIMMS by NEC Working $ 2.50/each
NOTE: All the above simms left over from numerous Macintosh upgrade I
did over the years. If you have questions as to which one
fits your Mac, please mail me back.
(c) (2) AST FASTRAM card with 512K Working $ 25.00/each
could be upgraded to 2M with
the DRAM in item(d)
(d) (54) 256K 100NS DRAM by TI Working $ 0.50/each
(36) 256K 100NS DRAM by OKI Working $ 0.50/each
(18) 256K 100NS DRAM by Hunydai Working $ 0.50/each
(e) Compaq Classic "Portable" computer Working $150.00
2 360K floppy drives
Amber 9 inch screen
256K RAM
(f) (2) Serial card Working $ 10.00/each
(g) Western Digital Disk Controller Working $ 30.00
WD1003-WAH F003 X16
16 bit card for floopy
and harddisk
(h) Logitech 3-buttons mechanical Working $ 20.00
serial mouse
(i) (1) Full-size AT case with Working $ 35.00
200W power-supply
(1) Full-size AT case with Working $ 60.00
200W power-supply
This is the original
case for my AST Premium/286
computer, it could have
up to 5 half-height devices
(three of which could be
floopy drives, tape drive etc).
I am also including the original
286 motherboard which condition
is unknown.
(j) (2) 1.2M 5.25" floopy drive Working $ 30.00/each
(1) 1.44 3.5" floopy drive Working $ 38.00
(k) Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter Brand New $220.00
(l) Wangtek 5150ES SCSI 250M Working $200.00
1/4" tape drive
(m) 1/2 height 40M MFM drive Working $100.00
by Miniscribe?
1/2 height 40M MFM drive Working $100.00
by Seagate ST 251-1
1/2 height 20M MFM drive Working $ 50.00
by Seagate
(n) Prodigy start-up kit for Brand New $ 45.00
PC with 24/96 data/fax
modem
The following items I am selling as is, all the them are in unknown
condition, either I never get it to work or never try to hook it up.
(o) EGA card Unknown $ 5.00
(p) Multi-function game/clock/ Unknown $ 5.00
parallel/serial port card
(q) Monochrome Graphics 132 columns Unknown $ 5.00
graphics card
(r) CDC 94171-344 340M SCSI drive Unknown $150.00
(q) Miniscribe 20M SCSI drive Unknown $ 15.00
(r) Prodigy start-up kit Unknown FREE
(s) (2) AST-3G Plus Chip Unknown $ 2.00
(t) Seagate 80M MFM drive Unknown $ 80.00
model ST-4096
I bought the radar detector a couple years ago for obvious reason(s)
and I have never been ticketed for the past 3 years and now I don't
drive to work anymore so I would rather sell it.
(u) Whristler 425 radar detector Working $ 30.00
X & K bands
If you would like to buy any of the above items, please mail me
at jack@acs.bu.edu. Also, a 10% automatic discount will apply if
your total purchase price is $100 or more (except the two brand
new items). Buyer(s) pay shipping.
If you think the prices I listed above is unrealistic, please mail
me back and I would take your advice into consideration and make the
proper adjustments.
The reason I am selling this stuff is because I have decided that
I had enough with this hobby of PC computing and I want to move on
other interests.
One last thing, if you know any non-profit organization whom might
be interested in my equipments, please let me know. Because if no
one wants to buy them, I might as well donate them and get a tax
break...
Thanks.
-Jack
jack@acs.bu.edu
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| 6misc.forsale |
Hi. Can anyone please give me some ftp sites to get IPAS processes for
3D Studio 2.0?
Thanks.
+Warren =8^)
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <2855@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.220340.2585@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
|> >
|> >armed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons
|> >to defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence.
|>
|> Faith and intelligence tell me that when a druggie breaks into my house at
|> night with a knife to kill me for the $2 in my wallet, a .357 is considerably
|> more persuasive than having devotions with him.
|>
|> --
|> Tom Albrecht
Give him the $2, leave the house and call the police. That's what I would
do. I will not kill to protect mere possessions.
Peace be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <C5I7Ap.ELD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes:
>What about Cyprus?? The majority of the population is christian, but
>your fellow Turkish friends DID and STILL DOING a 'good' job for you
>by cleaning the area from christians.
All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of
Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never
abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally
hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the
parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole
perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July
15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop
Makarios.
Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with
the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right
given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently
and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For
those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island
since 1571.
The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences
for this irresponsible conduct.
THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM
2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus
It is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at
the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched
against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat
Ilhan's wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally
killed in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage
Greeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the
24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities
committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which
has been converted into a museum.
AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY
GREEK TERRORISTS
The date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the
Greeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been
going on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men
and children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal
Area of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage
bloodshed...
The wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a
major on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent,
are mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the
bathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their
home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism.
Let us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by
Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded
during the same terrible event.
"On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan
and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan.
Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs.
Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting
having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River
direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain.
Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was
dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought
would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in
the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We
waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing
in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her
arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open.
Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house
with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard
voices saying, in Greek, "You want Taksim eh!" and then bullets
started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children
fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks,
who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I
heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted.
When I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and
her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the
neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what
had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to
the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was
brutally murdered.
In the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying
"Help, help. Is there no one to save us?" I became terrified. I
thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not
dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself
under the double-bed.
An our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My
mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some
water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the
bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I
offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who
were all wounded.
We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I
thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed
to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber
and I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked
as far as Koshklu Chiftlik.
There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were
operated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there
were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs.
Ayshe and her daughter.
After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to
Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months
treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus,
Greeks arrested me at the Airport.
All I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my
detention. They then released me."
ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER
We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in
which 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five
days.
We were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some
terrible sights.
In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way
into a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A
child's bicycle lay in a corner.
In the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three
children piled on top of their murdered mother.
In a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the
head.
This, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose
family had been killed by the mob in the first violence.
Today was five days later, and still they lay there.
Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the "DAILY EXPRESS")
"...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant
children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."
Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964
Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus.
Date : 1 January, 1964.
IL GIARNO (Italy)
THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.
Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This
time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to
cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.
Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
Date: 14 January 1964
DAILY HERALD (London)
AN APPALLING SIGHT
And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.
In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.
DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE
Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three
more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to
locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <C5CKp9.C5D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>>>
>>>I have a quick question. I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my
>>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts. I have gas permeable
>>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down. Works for me.
>
> Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that
> blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust
> in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my
> helmet.
I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind
out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ...
Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In <C5yDqC.6JK@cs.uiuc.edu> scott@cs.uiuc.edu (Jay Scott) writes:
>A rep at the dealer (actually it's a university order center, so
>they don't have any immediate financial interest), told me that
>they have been having lots of problems with their Centris 610.
>He didn't go into details, but mentioned problems with the
>floppy drive and intermittent problems with printing files.
>It sounded to me like they were having both hardware problems
>and software compatibility problems with the machine.
>He's not recommending the Centris 610 to anybody; he says to
>consider a Centris 650 or a IIvx. (Why he would recommend a
>IIvx over an LCIII I don't know, but that's what he said.)
>So, what does the net think? Did the dealer just get one flaky
>machine, or did Apple send the C610 out the door too early?
>Is your C610 working just great, or is it buggy too?
> Jay Scott
> scott@cs.uiuc.edu
Sounds to me like your dealer really wants to get rid of the IIvx's he has in
stock. I can imaging that they are getting hard to sell, given that
1. a C610 is way faster, and is comparable in price.
2. an LCIII is about the same speed, and is way cheaper.
So your dealer may well be trying as hard as he can to convince people
that IIvx's are a much better buy than a C610 just so he can get rid of all
his old stock!
No disrespect to dealers or the IIvx intended!
--
Jon Nielsen (jon@cs.uwa.edu.au)
Department of Computer Science
University of Western Australia
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite
the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the
Penguins. This is because the Islanders have won the season series against
the Devils. I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include:
1. season series
2. goals against
3. goals for
in this order (correct me if I'm wrong). Anyone have anything to add?
Craig
Go Islanders!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5H3yL.F66@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) writes:
>I accidentally tried to low level format my Western Digital Caviar 280 drive.
>Is there a public domain or shareware utility available that will allow
>me to fix it?
>
>Thanks.
I am no expert on this. But I am pretty sure there is no way to recover this. IDE drive has mapping information written directly on drives. When you low level format it, the information itself is gone as well, I don't think you can get it back unless you send it back to Western Digital and ask them to refurbish it for you.
Jim
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
AHHHUUURRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! Spinrite says: 80 sectors marked bad in the FAT
initially, 79 returned to active use, 80 new sectors marked bad, following
successive runs of spinrite.
I think I need a new ESDI HDD controller.
I know that these two will work:
DTC 6280
Adaptec 2322B
Others that MIGHT work:
DTC 6282
Ultra Store 12
WD 1007V
If you own one and will sell it cheaply I'll buy it.
Thanks,
-Greg Bishop
gt3635a@hydra.gatech.edu
--
GT: "Designing tommorow the night before with yesterday's technology."
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <14989@news.duke.edu> kdb@teer13.acpub.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
>Rick Schaut (richs@microsoft.com) wrote:
>: In article <14822@news.duke.edu> kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
>: >I agree. No one ever definitively met my challenge-- only batted around
>: >semantics. Oh well, I guess things did turn out as I expected.
>
>: Hmmm. I gave two examples which matched your objective criteria, and your
>: response was some subjective claptrap about them being 'lame'. You never
>: did counter the fact that those examples fit your objective criteria.
>
>I repeat. What are they? You mentioned what you tried to present as
>innovative, but what NEW concept was brought to market? An efficient
>BASIC? BASIC existed before, and efficiency is not original either.
>OLE? What new concept does that bring? Document oriented computing?
>The Mac had that before MSW. You simply haven't made your point-- the
>burden of proof is upon you.
>
>My *EXACT* challenge-- What NEW COMPUTING CONCEPT has MS brought to
>market first? Nothing more, nothing less. Explain how your examples
>fit that criterion.
Hmm...has anyone of us computer geeks (me included) ever consider
that inovation is not limited to software/hardware. True, MS
products do not boast features that MS invented, but how many products
out there by other vendors out there are truely innovative in
their continuing development?
I think what makes MS special to the public is thier innovative pricing.
It is true the XWindows/MAC/NEXT all have some feature(s) in thier GUI
that are better than MS. But people like me can't afford them.
It is true that Apple has lower their pricing on the low end models..
but they are just that...low end. System 7 is a better operating
system, but the machines they operate on just are too expensive for
my tastes...A UNIX platform is powerful enuf, but tell the common
user to set up .Xdefault (i am still confused on what some of them things
do) and they either puke or faint.
If u think about it, low prices aint innovative if u come down to it. But
for the product it offers and on the lower cost (and powerful hardware
that it runs on as compare to macs)....MS is kinda innovative..
Oh yea, I guess the fact that the support products and applications
they have garnered for MSWindows does make them kinda innovative too..
>
Dixon D. Ly
dly@joule.elee.calpoly.edu
dly@oboe.calpoly.edu
Electrical and Electronic Engineering, Cal Poly - SLO
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
|>
|> In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
|> (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
|>
|> >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
|> >place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no
|> >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
|>
|> Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
|>
|> all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
|> home.
|> But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.
|>
|> I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
|> vandals away. :---)
|>
|> steve
I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
Works for me, I must say.
| 7rec.autos |
aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) writes:
>> nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes:
>>The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new
>>macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own.
]Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!!
]Alain
Alain:
Get your facts straight before you post something like this. The Duo
Dock does not have a CPU of its own. It is a docking station with
ports connecting various components, including the portable PowerBook
with its own CPU. I guess these rumored new Duo Docks have a built-in
CPU to perform functions of their own. Interesting! If they're not
compatible with the current Duo models, I think you'll be hearing a
lot more "screwed by Apple" complaints. Imagine a company obsoleting
(ooh, a new verb!) a virtually brand new computer... sheesh...
Ken
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which
>will increase the number of serial ports available for use
>simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my
>Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each
>one of the independently.
Applied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is
a board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used
simultaneously. I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed
a couple for people at work (I'm a technician). Hope this helps.
--
Aaron Swiers
Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills MN swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com
Electrical Engineering student, U of ND swiers@plains.nodak.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
|> We have a problem with 'makedepend': it doesn't know how to correctly process
I'm most of the way through adding a grammar for parsing the #if expressions.
I don't know when I'll be able to get back to it; you're welcome to what I
have so far. I haven't looked at other versions of makedepend, which may solve
the problem more elegantly.
--
David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.
day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993May13.212121.29048@colorado.edu>, hoswell@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Mike Hoswell) writes:
|>
|> I'm quite familiar with a variety of window title *setting* methods.
|>
|> My question is... Is there any way (via Resources, etc) to stop an
|> application's ability to re-name it's own Name / IconName properties?
|>
Sorry, that's a feature. The ICCCM specifies how the app should set its title, so the wm is obliged to do it. If this bothers you, complain to the app writer.
|> ...who cares if it's not 'nice' to the application -
|>
|> I WANT CONTROL! ;-)
|>
Write your own wm that doesn't support the ICCCM. Or write an program that you give a window ID and a title. The your program can set the windows title for the app and then if the app changes it, your program switches it back again.
|> -Mike
|>
|> --
|> Mike Hoswell - hoswell@ncar.ucar.edu | Never Stop! / toasted - Bagels |
|> Climate and Global Dynamics | Disclaimer: I represent myself only |
|> NCAR, PO Box 3000, Boulder CO, 80307 +----------------+--------------------+
|> ...So I've got that going for me --- Which is nice. | Think Clearly. |
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Carl Schmidtmann Faultline Software Group, Inc
(408) 736-9655 867 Karo Court
cws@Faultline.Com ...!{apple|decwrl}!gigo!cws Sunnyvale, CA 94086-8146
| 5comp.windows.x |
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Can anyone tell me anything about the Disney Animation software package?
Note the followup line (this is not for me but for a colleague).
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <C5u7Bq.J43@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>The examples he gave were quarks and continental plates. Are there
Sounds like more of the same. Gods were used to describe almost
everything in the past. As we come to understand the underpinnings of
more and more, the less we credit to a god. Now, the not-so-well
understood elements (at least by the author) includes quarks and tectonic
drift. I guess that's better than describing the perceived patterns of
stars in the sky as heroes being immortalized by the gods.
Kinda sounds like old-earth creation--It seems that life did, indeed, evolve
from a common ancestor. What caused that initial common ancestor?
Are we going to hear another debate on causeless events? ;-)
>explanations of science or parts of theories that are not measurable in and of
>themselves, or can everything be quantified, measured, tested, etc.?
>
>MAC
> Michael A. Cobb
--
Frank Doss
The above stated words are my opinions and do not reflect the opinions,
attitudes, or policies of my employer or any affilliated organizations.
| 0alt.atheism |
Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance
cars, but I haven't seen any public responses.
What are people's experiences with these cars?
Daryl
Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu
+ Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr21.173432.28160@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, Mark B. writes:
|>
|> Yes, I could look it up but I prefer to post this question
|> to the net...
|>
|> I read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals
|> used by major league umps were originally used to help a
|> deaf ball player by the name of "Dummy". Urban myth? True?
|> I gots ta know.
True. William "Dummy" Hoy was baseball's first deaf player. He
played in the bigs from 1888 through 1903 for several teams, including
the White Sox and Reds.
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"I've never had a coach in my life. When I find one who can beat me,
then I'll listen." - Lee Trevino, professional golfer
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1r28mg$9r5@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>
matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann) writes:
| I have a Sun 3/60 that has a mono framebuffer (bwtwo0 ?) built on the
| motherboard. The same system also has a cgfour (cgfour0 and bwtwo1 ?)
| daughterboard. I have been using this system with a color monitor having a
| color "front" screen from the cgfour, and a mono "back" screen from the
| bwtwo1, both on the same tube. I recentley picked up a 1600 x 1280 Sun mono
| monitor, and I would like to make a two headed system with the cgfour0 and
| the bwtwo0. I do not care if I loose the "back" screen on the color tube
| from the bwtwo1. After looking through the Xsun man page I am not sure if
| this is possible. Has anybody sucessfuly done this before?
If it's any consolation, I have two 2-headed Sun-3/60 systems, though the
color and mono monitors for each are "rated" 1152x900. Their configuration
is the same as yours, so it "should" be a Plug'N'Play situation, EXCEPT:
I don't know if your hi-res mono monitor will function this way. However,
you may simply be able to pull the motherboard and set the HI-RES jumper
(located in the same jumper array as the jumpers for the RAM/SIMM selects
and Ethernet connection) and be happily on your way. When you pull the
motherboard, the jumpers are in the left-rear (e.g. "north-west") quadrant
of the motherboard (to the left of the SIMM sockets).
Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]
| 5comp.windows.x |
> * Moog, Serge, Paia, or Buchla analogue synthesizer modules or components
> if you have any of the following items, or similar goods, please e-mail or call
Chris (Analog Modular Systems) in L.A. specializes in modular stuff, and I know as of
last week he has some Serge modules, and perhaps Moog as well.
Number> (213) 850-5216
I just got an Xpander from him - this guy knows how to pack 'em right.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1t6efv$1pj@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Gilles KHOUZAM) writes:
>>Macsee.zip on ftp.cica.indiana.edu is supposed to read and write Mac disks.
>>I've never tried it, though. Good luck
>
>I just tried it, but I can't say that it works, 'cause it doesn't read 800K
>disks, it only reads 1.44Mb. If there a program that does read 800K disks,
>please let me know.
I'm not sure that this is possible due to the way the Mac writes the 800k
disk. I think the way the sectors are set up are different enough that a
PC 3.5" can't read it. This is a hardware problem which software cannot
correct. Hope this helps and correct me if I'm wrong.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C5yJ3L.3LC@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Espen.H.Koht@dartmouth.edu
(Espen H. Koht) writes:
> In article <1993Apr23.060059.7894@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes:
>
> > Hi-
> > Do any of you hardware gurus out there know what kind of memory
> > architecture Apple uses in the powerbook Duos? Or in the powerbook
> > in general?
> >
> > What are the factors that make the Duo 210 so slow compared to a desktop
> > machine running the same processor at the same speed (25MHz 68030)? How
> > many wait states are in the memory system, etc? What kind of a data
> > bus does it use? 32-bit or 16-bit?
> >
>
> Huh? Where did you get this idea from? I think you got this
> backwards. The Duo's memory is faster than its equivalent desktop
> machine by 5-10% (and the rest of the powerboks). I think the
> explanation for this was that it can refresh faster (in 2 instead of 5
> cycles I believe). Things that could affect performance would be
> factors such as use of functions enhanced in the FPU (which the Duo
> doesn't have undocked). Extensions and background applications can
> slow your computer down too. Real life differences in speed are likely
> to be influence by the software you are running, what kind of screen
> depth you are running etc.
>
> Espen
>
> PS! The Duo is 32-bit through-out.
Thanks for the enlightening post. Is there a Technical Note on this?
The desktop machine I was referring to was actually not a Mac,
but rather, any of various workstations that use the
68030@25MHz, such as old Suns or old NeXTs. I used to own a NeXT
68030 cube.
But I will try rebooting without extensions to see what kind of
a speed difference I get with my powerbook Duo. I did notice an
extreme slowdown to unusability with a Mac Plus after
installing system 7 on it. Why does the OS suck up so much CPU
power?
Also, you're right--software does make a HUGE difference. I
have the misfortune of using MS-Works on my Duo. When editing
relatively small (40K) files, cut or copy takes several
seconds, often more than 6 seconds!! This happens with power
cycling turned off. As usual, MS software is maggot-infested
feces.
I'm getting Nisus to replace it for my text editing.
-Avery
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <mssC5K4w5.GqE@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
>
>I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the
>only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter
>has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three.
>Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each.
>
Didn't Mike Schmidt also do this at least three times? I can
remember twice in Wrigley Field alone...he did it the same day
Kong did it in a 23-22 shootout, and he swatted four there one
day in April '76 (the month he set the April record with 11 HR's.
Anybody remember any of this? (I was just a kid)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I am looking for a source of orbital element sets
other than UAF/Space Command. I believe there is
one on CompuServe. Please let me know what other
possible sources there are and how I can reach
them. Thanks much.
| 14sci.space |
boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) wrote:
>
> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes:
> >wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> >>>
> >>>Remember roads in America are NOT designed for speeds above 80 meaning they
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>would be safe at 55-65. Roads like the Autobahn are smoother, straiter,
> >>>wider and slightly banked.
> >>
> >> Well, that's news. Before 1975 the speed limit on Texas highways
> >>was 75. The speed limit on the New Jersey Turnpike (I-95) was 70. There
> >>were no speed limits in Nevada or Montana.
> >
> >I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for
> >speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey
> >margin.
> >
>
> Actually, the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built
> in the 1950's taking into account the kinds of cars then available. The
> number would be much higher today because the cars, tires and just about
> everything else has imprivoved a lot.
Except the drivers.
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
| 7rec.autos |
In <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes:
>I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I
>was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model
>on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers:
> ------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models
>from amp ---------------|
>(idnetical both models) >
> < 10
> >
> |
> -----
> | |
> 0.022 --- --- Canadian model only!
> US model --- --- 0.047
> and world-wide | |
> model only. | --- Candian model only!
> | --- 0.047
> | |
> ----------- gound
>The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The
>US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places.
>How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps
>(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision).
>Please explain this
> Michael Golan
> mg@cs.princeton.edu
The only explanation I can think of is that two capacitors in series
can handle twice the output voltage. Sometimes two elco's in antiseries
(you know, positive sides facing eachother) are used to obtain a large
capacitor that can handle positive and negative voltages as well.
So there probably is no design-philosophical reason, but a production-cost
one.
Best 73's
Wouter
| 12sci.electronics |
Ferry Toth writes:
>For some time I've been thinking about the possiblity of starting a group
>where scientific articles can be published (or perhaps just summaries).
>Possible advantages would be:
>* Free disribution
>* Fast acceptance
>* Online discussion between authers and readers
>This would be possible with one group with a moderator for publishing the
>articles and one perhaps without for discussion.
>The best thing would be if all the articles would be in a standard format which
>would make it possible to print or view the documents camera ready. Perhaps
>Postscript or Rich Text Format?
>But how do you start a new group? Anyone interrested?
>Greeting from Ferrie
>Electronics Research Laboratory
>Delft University of Technology
>Delft
>Holland
Yep! Sounds good to me. suggestion: sci.electronics.art ?
Best regards,
Wouter
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1ql1avINN38a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>
>>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it.
>>Think "Cold Fusion".
>
>Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you
>(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding
>mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to
>disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating
>practices need to be reexamined...
So what you're saying is that your mind is made up, and you'll just explain
away any differences at being statistically insignificant?
>>>Try to find "immoral" non-mating-related activities.
>>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your "natural morality"?
>
>No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it
>some more.
So you'll just explain away any inconsistancies in your "theory" as being
"a special case".
>>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the
>>>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two
>>>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the
>>>natural one.
>>Are you or are you not the man who wrote:
>>"A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals
>> follow".
>
>Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems
>are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural
>system is a subset of the objective ones.
You just equated them. Re-read your own words.
>>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including
>>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that "most animals" have
>>the capacity of being immoral?
>
>I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although
>it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that
>homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean "bisexuality?"
A study release in 1991 found that 11% of female seagulls are lesbians.
>>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must
>>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them
>>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural
>>>goal--but they are somewhat removed).
>>Postulate: To assume; posit.
>
>That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent.
>
>>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the
>>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are
>>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality.
>
>You could, but such would contradict observations.
Now, apply this last sentence of your to YOUR theory. Notice how your are
contridicting observations?
>>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length
>>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and
>>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the
>>third side.
>
>But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be
>true. I don't think your postulate would be valid.
You don't know much math, do you? The ability to use SAS to determine the
length of the third side of the triangle is fundemental to geometry.
>>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume
>>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates
>>work.
>
>Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think
>they don't? Or are they not good goals?
Goals <> postulates.
Again, if one of the "goals" of this "objective/natural morality" system
you are proposing is "survival of the species", then homosexuality is
immoral.
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C5x2xs.EF0@lerami.lerctr.org> merlin@lerami.lerctr.org
(David Hayes) writes:
>
>This company routinely sent most of the manufacturing data to the field
>offices. The Japanese had simply intercepted it. So my friend, the computer
>systems admin, came up with a solution. He started sending the data out
>double-block-encrypted with DES.
>
>Two days after this new distribution plan was implemented, the president of
>the company got a visit from a pair of government agents. They told him to
>"knock it off". The president gave in, since his company did a considerable
>business with the federal government.
>
>Now, if the government wasn't monitoring the communications, how would they
>even know that the encryption system was installed?
How can you be sure the two visitors were really government agents?
:-)
--John
--
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johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu || they give me a feeling of
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| security, and, they inflate
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822 || my ego enormously." --A. Abian
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr28.151652.23080@dsd.es.com>, pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
|>Does this mean they can either do alpha or stenciling, but not both
|>simultaneously?
I don't know the answer the to this one, although with 8-bits I would assume
that it was one or the other.
|>
|>> Stereo support yes yes
|>> Other: both machines will double buffer or do
|> ^^
|>> stereo output per window. Both have an
|>> auxiliary video output that is RS-170A,
|>> NTSC, and PAL
|>Same question again, does this mean they can either do double
|>buffering or stereo, but not both simultaneously?
According to the literature, it will do quadruple buffering so that you
can have double buffered stereo output.
Brian
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr2.153725.17543@bsu-ucs> 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>Here's an interesting quote from Bill Veek from _Get that Nigger off
>the Field_:
> "Josh (Gibson) was, at minimum, two Yogi Berras."
>Speaking of Yogi, anybody know any good Yogi-isms?
>Mike "Curious George" Stultz
Here's one I remember: (sort of)
Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone.
After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi
up. Yogi answered, "No, the phone did."
Kevin
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
[ some real stupid remarks ]
...
|> You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav). I agree that
...
[ lots of serious dribble for no real reason ]
...
Hey, I don't really care, but when someone sends me
email telling me to fuck off, I get rather pissed. If he posted
to the net, I could really care less, but sending mail
is just childish. Mr. Infant(e) is just that, an infant. Give
him a few more years to grow up and maybe he'll learn some
network etiquette.
If you can't stand the flames,
and you don't have the brains,
Stay out of the newsgroup.
Kind of catchy n'est pas?
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= V65Sabre mbeaving@bnr.ca =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
I haven't seen much info about how to add an extra internal disk to a
mac. We would like to try it, and I wonder if someone had some good
advice.
We have a Mac IIcx with the original internal Quantum 40MB hard disk,
and an unusable floppy drive. We also have a new spare Connor 40MB
disk which we would like to use. The idea is to replace the broken
floppy drive with the new hard disk, but there seems to be some
problems:
The internal SCSI cable and power cable inside the cx has only
connectors for one single hard disk drive.
If I made a ribbon cable and a power cable with three connectors each
(1 for motherboard, 1 for each of the 2 disks), would it work?
Is the IIcx able to supply the extra power to the extra disk?
What about terminators? I suppose that i should remove the resistor
packs from the disk that is closest to the motherboard, but leave them
installed in the other disk.
The SCSI ID jumpers should also be changed so that the new disk gets
ID #1. The old one should have ID #0.
It is no problem for us to remove the floppy drive, as we have an
external floppy that we can use if it won't boot of the hard disk.
Thank you!
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Torbj|rn Rognes Email: rogntorb@idt.unit.no
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
>I'd appreciate if you can email or post you positive
>or negative experience with this monitor, especially
>compared to to Nanao 550i.
>I'd summarize if I got multiple responses.
I bought a Viewsonic 17 for use at home but after a week I took it back. I
felt for the money my NEC 5FG that I use at work was a much better monitor.
The NEC is sharper, flatter, less distorted, and more stable. I have heard
complaints from people about the NEC FG series having some quality control
problems but mine has been in use for about a year with no problems at all.
There was nothing really broken with the Viewsonic but overall it did not
match up. I used my ATI Graphics Ultra in setup mode to push the
frequencies to their limits and the Viewsonic exhibited some problems that
the NEC did not. I personally like the non-etched NEC with the OCLI filter
and the tube on the 17 was not as nice. The 17 had some uncorrectable
pincusion and edge distortion problems. Also, it would change brightness
when I switched modes and I was constantly having to fiddle with the
controls. And the yoke was crooked and I had no way to compensate for the
raster that tilted downhill. On the postive side, although not as handsome
as the NEC, the 17 had a smaller footprint and was not as heavy.
I have heard that Panasonic owns Viewsonic and the model 17 is being sold
through OEM channels with a Panasonic label on it. If it's available that
way at a lower cost I could get more serious about it. For now the NEC has
my vote but I'm searching for one of the new, cheaper, NEC 5FGe's to see if
it's just as good as its older brother the 5FG before I decide which one to
buy.
I have no experience with the Nanao. I can never keep the Nanao models
straight and don't have any place I can walk in to get a good comparison of
all models.
--
Standard employer disclaimers apply
--
Keith W. Johnson Tektronix, GPI/ND Info Services, Wilsonville, OR, USA
Internet: Keith.W.Johnson@tek.com Voice: 503-685-2953 Fax: 503-682-3595
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn't. A lot of
>pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to
>make this kind of think a lot harder to do.
>
>I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't
>figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Just curious.
>
>(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
.
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| 7rec.autos |
JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
JS>>
JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?
JS> How about a Geeky temporary tatoo? I mean, why should the
JS> RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.
That's sick! I want!
You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone!
The cheesy "Live to Ride" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for
the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points
farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area
Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early
or mid May.)
Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae?
Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really
worse.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
JS>====================================================
JS>John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
JS> All standard disclaimers apply.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Their number is 1-800-541-4716
they are based in Chicago, IL in case
you need to call dir assistance.
Their prices are more down to earth than
ANY other source for car innards/outers.
They will send you a free catalog.
Neeraj
| 7rec.autos |
jka@air77.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:
>Hi,
> Does anyone know what type of cabling is required to use the Interlink
>capability, provided in DOS 6.0?
I tried a null modem cable and had two copies of procomm+ talking happily
to one another - but Interlink kept saying "No Connection made". I gave
up and used floppies!
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
____________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 5, 1993
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
EN ROUTE TO CAMDEN YARDS FOR ORIOLES OPENING DAY GAME
MARC Train
En Route to Camden Yards
11:45 A.M. EDT
Q Mr. President, what do you think of Jesse Jackson's
protest today?
THE PRESIDENT: I think it's an informational protest.
I think it's fine. The owners put out a statement few days ago,
which they say was the first step in, you know, efforts to increase
minority ownership and minority increases in management. I think we
should. I'm encouraged by Don Baylor's appointment out in Colorado.
And I think it's time to make a move on that front. So, I think it's
a legitimate issue, and I think it's -- like I said, it's an
informational picket and not an attempt to get people not to go to
the game. So, I think it's good.
Q Do you think they're moving fast enough?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that it was a good first
step. And I think you'll see some movement now. And I think it's an
issue that deserves some attention, and they're obviously going to
give it some. And I think that Reverend Jackson being out there will
highlight the issue. So I think it's fine.
Q Mr. President, how about the logjam in the Senate
on the economic stimulus plan? Do you think they'll be able to break
that and get cloture?
THE PRESIDENT: I don't know, we're working at it. I
mean, it's a classic -- there was an article in the paper today, one
of the papers I saw, which pretty well summed it up. They said, you
know, this is a -- it's just a political power play. In the Senate
the majority does not rule. It's not like the country. It's not
like the -- it's not like the House. If the minority chooses, they
can stop majority rule. And that's what they're doing. There are a
lot of Republican senators who have told people that they might vote
for the stimulus program but there's enormous partisan political
pressure not to do it.
And, of course, what it means is that in this time when
no new jobs are being created, even though there seems to be an
economic recovery, it means that for political purposes they're
willing to deny jobs to places like Baltimore and Dallas and Houston
and Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Portland and Seattle. It's very
sad. I mean, the block grant program was designed to create jobs in
a hurry based on local priorities, and it's one that the Republicans
had always championed. Just about the only Democrat champions of the
program were people like me who were out there at the grassroots
level, governors and senators. I just think it's real sad that they
have chosen to exert the minority muscle in a way that will keep
Americans out of work. I think it's a mistake.
THE PRESS: Thank you.
END11:50 A.M. EDT
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