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piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt) writes: > Clayton Cramer (cramer@optilink.COM) wrote: > : [...] When you and the rest of the homosexual community > : pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to > : hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against > : my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying > : to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this. > Ahh, what's good for the goose is not necessarily what's good for > the gander. You don't want homosexuals to impose their moral codes > (such diabolical ideas as equal rights) on you, yet you are willing > to impose your moral codes on them. Do I detect a double standard? What *exactly* does the American Constitution say about "the right to association" ? Homosexuals, whether Clayton likes it or not, are as much members of society as he is. As such they have the right to participate and have an equal opportunity to pursue their goals. No-one is saying that Clayton should be forced to associate with queerfolk in his private life (one suspects the gays in question would object also 8-) ), but by proclaiming the general right not to associate with them in the *public* sphere (which includes housing, hiring, etc), he's giving his right to non-association priority over their rights to equal access to opportunity. Historically, people can associate publically with disliked groups with very little ill-effect, however cutting a group off from normal commerce has a severe impact on their lives. Clayton, why exactly should your "right" to non-association in the public sphere take priority over homosexual's rights to equal opportunity ? -- Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."--gene spafford,1992
18talk.politics.misc
In article <C4wty9.40u@mcs.anl.gov>, mwm@aps.anl.gov (Michael W. McDowell) writes: > In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) > I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith > put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when > deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. > If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. From this account, it doesn't sound like you even saw the goal, Mike. Smith came out from behind his own net and fired a breakout pass that hit Fuhr in the back of the leg. Fuhr was backing up at the time and never saw what happened. The puck went straight off Fuhr's leg and into the net. Fuhr never had a chance. There was no play back to the goaltender, in fact Perry Berezan of Calgary had just dumped it in and Smith was retrieving it. It was unfortunate that it happened; Smith is a nice guy and was only a rookie at the time, and on his birthday too. But all the blame lies with him. Starting in pee-wee coaches tell players never to make a cross-ice pass in front of their own net. Too much chance of having it intercepted, or hitting the goaltender, or whatever. And to the people who say that Smith cost the Oilers the series, I can only say that he certainly didn't cause the team to lose the other three games. There was no reason for a powerhouse team like Edmonton to be tied late in the third period of the 7th game of the second round. Everybody on the team has to take responsibility for them even being in that situation. Alan
10rec.sport.hockey
Hi. I am looking into buying a Floptical Drive, and was wondering what experience people have with the drives from Iomega, PLI, MASS MicroSystems, or Procom. These seem to be the main drives on the market. Any advice? Also, I heard about some article in MacWorld (Sep '92, I think) about Flopticals. Could someone post a summary, if they have it? Thanks in advance. (Reply by post or email, whichever you prefer.) --Nizam -- / * \ Nizam Arain \ What makes the universe || || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend | \___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \ is that there is nothing \_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with.
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Greetings... I am in desperate need of a Battery and Power Supply (Internal) for the Cumulus 386SX-25 Notebook. I do appologize for not having serial # for this system. Any Help would greatly be appreciated... Many Thanks in advance, Dave.Bona@m.cc.utah.edu -- - Not your average .sig! No, this one is very clever. -
3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
In article <timmbake.735265296@mcl>, timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu ("Clam" Bake Timmons) writes: > > >Fallacy #1: Atheism is a faith. Lo! I hear the FAQ beckoning once again... > >[wonderful Rule #3 deleted - you're correct, you didn't say anything >about > >a conspiracy] > > Correction: _hard_ atheism is a faith. Yes. > > >>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the > >>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people > >>unsympathetic to his cause.That was atrocious.But Stalin killed millions of > >>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!!How can ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>anyone be worse than that? > > >I will not explain this to you again: Stalin did nothing in the name of > >atheism. Whethe he was or was not an atheist is irrelevant. > > Get a grip, man. The Stalin example was brought up not as an > indictment of atheism, but merely as another example of how people will > kill others under any name that's fit for the occasion. No, look again. While you never *said* it, the implication is pretty clear. I'm sorry, but I can only respond to your words, not your true meaning. Usenet is a slippery medium. [deleted wrt the burden of proof] > > So hard atheism has nothing to prove? Then how does it justify that > God does not exist? I know, there's the FAQ, etc. But guess what -- if > those justifications were so compelling why aren't people flocking to > _hard_ atheism? They're not, and they won't. I for one will discourage > people from hard atheism by pointing out those very sources as reliable > statements on hard atheism. > Look, I'm not supporting *any* dogmatic position. I'd be a fool to say that in the large group of people that are atheists, no people exist who wish to proselytize in the same fashion as religion. How many hard atheists do you see posting here, anyway? Maybe I'mm just not looking hard enough... > Second, what makes you think I'm defending any given religion? I'm merely > recognizing hard atheism for what it is, a faith. I never meant to do so, although I understand where you might get that idea. I was merely using the 'bible' example as an allegory to illustrate my point. > > And yes, by "we" I am referring to every reader of the post. Where is the > evidence that the poster stated that he relied upon? Evidence for what? Who? I think I may have lost this thread... [why theists are arrogant deleted] > >Because they say, "Such-and-such is absolutely unalterably True, because > ^^^^ > >my dogma says it is True." I am not prepared to issue blanket statements > >indicting all theists of arrogance as you are wont to do with atheists. > > Bzzt! By virtue of your innocent little pronoun, "they", you've just issued > a blanket statement. At least I will apologize by qualifying my original > statement with "hard atheist" in place of atheist. Would you call John the > Baptist arrogant, who boasted of one greater than he? That's what many > Christians do today. How is that _in itself_ arrogant? Guilty as charged. What I *meant* to say was, the theists who *are* arrogant are this way because they say ... Other than that, I thought my meaning was clear enough. Any position that claims itself as superior to another with no supporting evidence is arrogant. Thanks for your apology, btw. > > > >> I'm not worthy! > >Only seriously misinformed. > With your sophisticated put-down of "they", the theists, _your_ serious > misinformation shines through. Explained above. > > -- > Bake Timmons, III > > -- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life > than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)
0alt.atheism
One way to make cheap trimmable resistors is to use a high-wattage carbon composition resistor, and saw a notch in it with a triangular file. Of course, you can only increase the resistance, not decrease it.
12sci.electronics
Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being distributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in San Leandro, CA. Granted, the document may be asking you and I to help out Traders, but in the big scope of things, I feel that we would do all gun owners a favor by helping to this cause. Anyway, here it is: NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP Are you letting the newspapers tell you how to live your life, what's good for you, what's not, and exercise blatant censorship over what you read in their advertisments? The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for sporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. If you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to run legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your displeasure over their censorship doctrine. Following is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads. Perhaps you'd like to send them your thoughts on this issue! Oakland Tribune Daily Review Alameda Times-Star POB 28883 POB 5050 1516 Oak St. Oakland, CA 94604 Hayward,94540 Alameda, CA 94501 Argus Tri Valley Herald San Leandro Times 3850 Decoto Rd. POB 10367 161 W. Juana Ave. Fremont, CA 94555 Pleasanton, CA 94588 San Leandro, CA 94577 Contra Costa Times San Mateo Times San Francisco Chronicle POB 5088 POB 5400 901 Mission St. Walnut Creek, CA 94596 San Mateo, CA 94402 San Francisco, CA 94103 San Fran. Independent San Fran. Examiner San Jose Mercury News 1201 Evans Ave 110 5th St. 750 Ridder Park Dr. San Fran., CA 94124 San Fran., CA 94103 San Jose, CA 95190 Then there are six pages of "facts". I can not validate these facts, and there were no sources, but many feel and sound very true. Here are the topic headlines: - Big Media Snow Job - Blaming Firearms for Murder is Like Blaming Hospitals for Death - I could use the same Nazi Journalistic Technique of CBS and ABC to prove that Hospitals Cause Death - How NBC, CBS, and ABC have scammed the American people on "gun control" - American TV journalism is based on Nazi journalism - Why TV journalists lie - The Government with the help of the TV networks, has succeeded in playing one group against the other - Gun laws are unconstitutional - American gun laws are based on Nazi gun laws - The Government is trying to devide and conquer - The CIA wants your firearms and so on for six pages. So now we have the media trying help put gun dealers out of business by trying to limit their exposure to potential customers, and preventing the customers from reading about sales of ammunition and firearms for sporting, hunting, or other recreational use. Let me know if you write to any of these bozos. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM | | | Oakland Bay TRACON | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | CBR600F2 Pilot | NRA Member CCX1380F | S&W .41 Magnum Carrier | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
16talk.politics.guns
In article <390@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes: >Does anybody know how many Jews, Arabs, Christians and others have died >in terrorist attacks and wars over these 45 years due to Arab rhetoric and >rejectionism? The number is probably close to 100,000 at least. > >All these lives wasted because the ARABS did not accept the PARTITION PLAN >in 1947. Well over 100,000 in Lebanon alone. 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 in the Iran/Iraq conflict, even if Iranians aren't Arabs, strictly speaking. (They seem to hate the Zionists at least as much as anyone else in the neighborhood. Is there some correlation perhaps between hating Israel and killing off your own people?) -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
17talk.politics.mideast
In case you missed it on the news....the first 16 Haitians of many that tested positive for HIV and were being held on a base in Cuba have been flown to the U.S. Further a U.S. judge has ruled that they must receive medical treatment or be returned to a place where they could receive same. So guess what folks, we taxpayers get to pick up the tab (just as you might have expected) for people who have never contributed a dime to the U.S. society. I think this government has its priorities ALL SCREWED UP. If they want to help Haitians....how about removing the illegal government, how about giving them development aid? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to waste resources on dying non-citizens who will never be productive in either this country or their own. It does not make sense when the same resources applied or even just plain given to poor people in Haiti could significantly help 100 people in Haiti per 1 AIDS-infected non-citizen immigrant.
18talk.politics.misc
I am interested in uncovering statistics on Boston Red Sox players from March 1992 - present. I want to look at changes in batting average, hits, multi-hit games, runs, stolen bases, and on base % during every game. Where can I find this information? Do any sports magazines log this info or do I have to go directly to the ball club? Thanks for the info. Kip
9rec.sport.baseball
What are the main advantages of this method? I have seen it described, and the algiorithm seems a little bit long. I developed my own method, which requires that the points be in a counter-clockwise order, and returns whether you are looking at the back or the front, similar to the plane eqn method. It uses few calculations however, basically it is several comparisons. The only disadvantage I see is that it must be done after the transformation from view coordinates to coordinates to display on the screen, which means that a little more calculation isneeded beforehand. My method basically figures out whether the points that will appear on the screen are clockwise or counterclockwise. When looking at the back of something, the points occur in an opposite direction from the front, so merely by figuring out which way the points go, you can tell whether you are looking at the back or front of a 2d polygon. Has anyone heard of this method before? It is so simple, I doubt i am the first to think of it. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
1comp.graphics
They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product, i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media. There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already, albeit, not as capable as 3DO's. But are there compelling reasons to buy such yet? Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-)
1comp.graphics
In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >In article <C5I2Bo.CG9@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: >> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre >> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. >> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. .................... >Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between >Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of >their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a >genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts >are scientifically screwy? This example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous physicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall the quote: Your ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy enough to be right. The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
13sci.med
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #013 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I said that on February 27, when those people were streaming down | | our street, they were shouting, "Long live Turkey!" and "Glory to | | Turkey!" And during the trial I said to that Ismailov, "What does | | that mean, 'Glory to Turkey'?" I still don't understand what Turkey | | has to do with this, we live in the Soviet Union. That Turkey told | | you to or is going to help you kill Armenians? I still don't | | understand why "Glory to Turkey!" I asked that question twice and | | got no answer . . . No one answered me . . . | | | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF EMMA SETRAKOVNA SARGISIAN Born 1933 Cook Sumgait Emergency Hospital Resident at Building 16/13, Apartment 14 Block 5 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] To this day I can't understand why my husband, an older man, was killed. What was he killed for. He hadn't hurt anyone, hadn't said any word he oughtn't have. Why did they kill him? I want to find out--from here, from there, from the government--why my husband was killed. On the 27th, when I returned from work--it was a Saturday--my son was at home. He doesn't work. I went straight to the kitchen, and he called me, "Mamma, is there a soccer game?" There were shouts from Lenin Street. That's where we lived. I say, "I don't know, Igor, I haven't turned on the TV." He looked again and said, "Mamma, what's going on in the courtyard?!" I look and see so many people, it's awful, marching, marching, there are hundreds, thousands, you can't even tell how many there are. They're shouting, "Down with the Armenians! Kill the Armenians! Tear the Armenians to pieces!" My God, why is that happening, what for? I had known nothing at that point. We lived together well, in friendship, and suddenly something like this. It was completely unexpected. And they were shouting, "Long live Turkey!" And they had flags, and they were shouting. There was a man walking in front well dressed, he's around 40 or 45, in a gray raincoat. He is walking and saying something, I can't make it out through the vent window. He is walking and saying something, and the children behind him are shouting, "Tear the Armenians to pieces!" and "Down with the Armenians!" They shout it again, and then shout, "Hurrah!" The people streamed without end, they were walking in groups, and in the groups I saw that there were women, too. I say, "My God, there are women there too!" And my son says, "Those aren't women, Mamma, those are bad women." Well we didn't look a long time. They were walking and shouting and I was afraid, I simply couldn't sit still. I went out onto the balcony, and my Azerbaijani neighbor is on the other balcony, and I say, "Khalida, what's going on, what happened?" She says, "Emma, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what happened." Well she was quite frightened too. They had these white sticks, each second or third one had a white rod. They're waving the rods above their heads as they walk, and the one who's out front, like a leader, he has a white stick too. Well maybe it was an armature shaft, but what I saw was white, I don't know. My husband got home 10 or 15 minutes later. He comes home and I say, "Oh dear, I'm frightened, they're going to kill us I bet." And he says, "What are you afraid of, they're just children." I say, "Everything that happens comes from children." There had been 15- and 16-year kids from the Technical and Vocational School. "Don't fear," he said, "it's nothing, nothing all that bad." He didn't eat, he just lay on the sofa. And just then on television they broadcast that two Azerbaijanis had been killed in Karabakh, near Askeran. When I heard that I couldn't settle down at all, I kept walking here and there and I said, "They're going to kill us, the Azerbaijanis are going to kill us." And he says, "Don't be afraid." Then we heard--from the central square, there are women shouting near near the stage, well, they're shouting different things, and you couldn't hear every well. I say, "You speak Azerbaijani well, listen to what they're saying." He says "Close the window and go to bed, there s nothing happening there." He listened a bit and then closed the window and went to bed, and told us, "Come on, go to sleep, it's nothing." Sleep, what did he mean sleep? My Son and I stood at the window until two in the morning watching. Well he's sick, and all of this was affecting him. I say, "Igor, you go to bed, I'm going to go to bed in a minute too." He went and I sat at the window until three, and then went to bed. Things had calmed down slightly. The 28th, Sunday, was my day off. My husband got up and said, "Come on, Emma, get up." I say, "Today's my day off, let me rest." He says, "Aren't you going to make me some tea?" Well I felt startled and got up, and said, "Where are you going?" He says, "I'm going out, I have to." I say, "Can you really go outside on a day like today? Don't go out, for God's sake. You never listen to me, I know, and you're not going to listen to me now, but at least don't take the car out of the garage, go without the car." And he says, "Come on, close the door!" And then on the staircase he muttered something, I couldn't make it out, he probably said "coward" or something. I closed the door and he left. And I started cleaning . . . picking things up around the house . . . Everything seemed quiet until one o'clock in the after- noon, but at the bus station, my neighbor told me, cars were burning. I said, "Khalida, was it our car?" She says, "No, no, Emma, don't be afraid, they were government cars and Zhigulis.'' Our car is a GAZ-21 Volga. And I waited, it was four o'clock, five o'clock . . . and when he wasn't home at seven I said, "Oh, they've killed Shagen!" Tires are burning in town, there's black smoke in town, and I'm afraid, I'm standing on the balcony and I'm all . . . my whole body is shaking. My God, they've probably killed him! So basically I waited like that until ten o'clock and he still hadn't come home. And I'm afraid to go out. At ten o'clock I look out: across from our building is a building with a bookstore, and from upstairs, from the second floor, everything is being thrown outside. I'm looking out of one window and Igor is looking out of the other, and I don't want him to see this, and he, as it turns out, doesn't want me to see it. We wanted to hide it from one another. I joined him. "Mamma," he says, "look what they're doing over there!" They were burning everything, and there were police standing there, 10 or 15 of them, maybe twenty policemen standing on the side, and the crowd is on the other side, and two or three people are throwing everything down from the balcony. And one of the ones on the balcony is shouting, "What are you standing there for, burn it!" When they threw the television, wow, it was like a bomb! Our neighbor on the third floor came out on her balcony and shouted, "Why are you doing that, why are you burning those things, those people saved with such difficulty to buy those things for their home. Why are you burning them?" And from the courtyard they yell at her, "Go inside, go inside! Instead why don't you tell us if they are any of them in your building or not?" They meant Armenians, but they didn't say Armenians, they said, "of them." She says, "No, no, no, none!" Then she ran downstairs to our place, and says, "Emma, Emma, you have to leave!" I say, "They've killed Shagen anyway, what do we have to live for? It won't be living for me without Shagen. Let them kill us, too!" She insists, saying, "Emma, get out of here, go to Khalida's, and give me the key. When they come I'll say that it's my daughter's apartment, that they're off visiting someone." I gave her the key and went to the neighbor's, but I couldn't endure it. I say, "Igor, you stay here, I'm going to go downstairs, and see, maybe Papa's . . . Papa's there." Meanwhile, they were killing the two brothers, Alik and Valery [Albert and Valery Avanesians; see the accounts of Rima Avanesian and Alvina Baluian], in the courtyard. There is a crowd near the building, they're shouting, howling, and I didn't think that they were killing at the time. Alik and Valery lived in the corner house across from ours. When I went out into the courtyard I saw an Azerbaijani, our neighbor, a young man about 30 years old. I say, "Madar, Uncle Shagen's gone, let's go see, maybe he's dead in the garage or near the garage, let's at least bring the corpse into the house. "He shouts, "Aunt Emma, where do you think you're going?! Go back into the house, I'll look for him." I say, "Something will happen to you, too, because of me, no, Madar, I'm coming too." Well he wouldn't let me go all the same, he says, "You stay here with us, I'm go look." He went and looked, and came back and said, "Aunt Emma, there's no one there, the garage is closed. "Madar went off again and then returned and said, "Aunt Emma, they're already killed Alik, and Valery's there . . . wheezing." Madar wanted to go up to him, but those scoundrels said, "Don't go near him, or we'll put you next to him." He got scared--he's young--and came back and said, "I'm going to go call, maybe an ambulance will come, at least to take Alik, maybe he'll live . . . " They grew up together in our courtyard, they knew each other well, they had always been on good terms. He went to call, but not a single telephone worked, they had all been shut off. He called, and called, and called, and called--nothing. I went upstairs to the neighbor's. Igor says, "Two police cars drove up over there, their headlights are on, but they're not touching them, they are still lying where they were, they're still lying there . . . "We watched out the window until four o'clock, and then went downstairs to our apartment. I didn't take my clothes off. I lay on the couch so as not to go to bed, and at six o'clock in the morning I got up and said, "Igor, you stay here at home, don't go out, don't go anywhere, I'm going to look, I have to find Papa, dead or alive . . . let me go . . . I've got the keys from work." At six o'clock I went to the Emergency Hospital. The head doctor and another doctor opened the door to the morgue. I run up to them and say, "Doctor, is Shagen there?" He says, "What do you mean? Why should Shagen be here?!" I wanted to go in, but he wouldn't let me. There were only four people in there, they said. Well, they must have been awful because they didn't let me in. They said, "Shagen's not here, he's alive somewhere, he'll come back." It's already seven o'clock in the morning. I look and there is a panel truck with three policemen. Some of our people from the hospital were there with them. I say, "Sara Baji ["Sister" Sara, term of endearment], go look, they've probably brought Shagen." I said it, shouted it, and she went and came back and says, "No, Emma, he has tan shoes on, it's a younger person." Now Shagen just happened to have tan shoes, light tan, they were already old. When they said it like that I guessed immediately. I went and said, "Doctor, they've brought Shagen in dead." He says, "Why are you carrying on like that, dead, dead . . . he's alive." But then he went all the same, and when he came back the look on his face was . . . I could tell immediately that he was dead. They knew one another well, Shagen had worked for him a long time. I say, "Doctor, is it Shagen?" He says, "No, Emma, it's not he, it's somebody else entirely." I say, "Doctor, why are you deceiving me, I'll find out all the same anyway, if not today, then tomorrow." And he said . . . I screamed, right there in the office. He says, "Emma, go, go calm down a little." Another one of our colleagues said that the doctor had said it was Shagen, but . . . in hideous condition. They tried to calm me down, saying it wasn't Shagen. A few minutes later another colleague comes in and says, "Oh, poor Emma!" When she said it like that there was no hope left. That day was awful. They were endlessly bringing in dead and injured people. At night someone took me home. I said, "Igor, Papa's been killed." On the morning of the 1st I left Igor at home again and went to the hospital: I had to bury him somehow, do something. I look and see that the hospital is surrounded by soldiers. They are wearing dark clothes. "Hey, citizen, where are you going?" I say, "I work here," and from inside someone shouts, "Yes, yes, that's our cook, let her in." I went right to the head doctor's office and there is a person from the City Health Department there, he used to work with us at the hospital. He says, "Emma, Shagen's been taken to Baku. In the night they took the wounded and the dead, all of them, to Baku." I say, "Doctor, how will I bury him?" He says, "We're taking care of all that, don't you worry, we'll do everything, we'll tell you about it. Where did you spend the night?" I say, "I was at home." He says, "What do you mean you were at home?! You were at home alone?" I say, "No, Igor was there too." He says, "You can't stay home, we're getting an ambulance right now, wait just one second, the head doctor is coming, we're arranging an ambulance right now, you put on a lab coat and take one for Igor, you go and bring Igor here like a patient, and you'll stay here and we'll se~ later what to do next ..." His last name is Kagramanov. The head doctor's name is Izyat Jamalogli Sadukhov. The "ambulance" arrived and I went home and got Igor. They admitted him as a patient, they gave us a private room, an isolation room. We stayed in the hospital until the 4th. Some police car came and they said, "Emma, let's go." And the women, our colleagues, then they saw the police car, became anxious and said, "Where are you taking her?" I say, "They're going to kill me, too . . . " And the investigator says, "Why are you saying that, we're going to make a positive identification." We went to Baku and they took me into the morgue . . . I still can't remember what hospital it was . . . The investigator says, "Let's go, we need to be certain, maybe it's not Shagen." And when I saw the caskets, lying on top of one another, I went out of my mind. I say, "I can't look, no." The investigator says, "Are there any identifying marks?" I say, "Let me see the clothes, or the shoes, or even a sock, I'll recognize them." He says, "Isn't they're anything on his body?" I say he has seven gold teeth and his finger, he only has half of one of his fingers. Shagen was a carpenter, he had been injured at work . . . They brought one of the sleeves of the shirt and sweater he was wearing, they brought them and they were all burned . . . When I saw them I shouted, "Oh, they burned him!" I shouted, I don't know, I fell down . . . or maybe I sat down, I don't remember. And that investigator says, "Well fine, fine, since we've identified that these are his clothes, and since his teeth . . . since he has seven gold teeth . . . " On the 4th they told me: "Emma, it's time to bury Shagen now." I cried, "How, how can I bury Shagen when I have only one son and he's sick? I should inform his relatives, he has three sisters, I can't do it by myself." They say, "OK, you know the situation. How will they get here from Karabagh? How will they get here from Yerevan? There's no transportation, it s impossible." He was killed on February 28, and I buried him on March 7. We buried him in Sumgait. They asked me, "Where do you want to bury him?" I said, "I want to bury him in Karabagh, where we were born, let me bury him in Karabagh," I'm shouting, and the head of the burial office, I guess, says, "Do you know what it means, take him to Karabagh?! It means arson!" I say, "What do you mean, arson? Don't they know what's going on in Karabagh? The whole world knows that they killed them, and I want to take him to Karabagh, I don't have anyone anymore." I begged, I pleaded, I grieved, I even got down on my knees. He says, "Let's bury him here now, and in three months, in six months, a year, if it calms down, I'll help you move him to Karabagh . . . " Our trial was the first in Sumgait. It was concluded on May 16. At the investigation the murderer, Tale Ismailov, told how it all happened, but then at the trial he . . . tried to wriggle . . . he tried to soften his crime. Then they brought a videotape recorder, I guess, and played it, and said, "Ismailov, look, is that you?" He says, "Yes." "Well look, here you're describing everything as it was on the scene of the crime, right?" He says, "Yes." "And now you're telling it differently?" He says, "Well maybe I forgot!" Like that. The witnesses and that criminal creep himself said that when the car was going along Mir Street, there was a crowd of about 80 people . . . Shagen had a Volga GAZ-21. The 80 people surrounded his car, and all 80 of them were involved. One of them was this Ismailov guy, this Tale. They--it's unclear who--started pulling Shagen out of the car. Well, one says from the left side of the car, another says from the right side. They pulled off his sports jacket. He had a jacket on. Well they ask him, "What's your nationality?" He says, "Armenian." Well they say from the crowd they shouted, "If he's an Armenian, kill him, kill him!" They started beating him, they broke seven of his ribs, and his heart . . . I don't know, they did something there, too . . . it's too awful to tell about. Anyway, they say this Tale guy . . . he had an armature shaft. He says, "I picked it up, it was lying near a bush, that's where I got it." He said he picked it up, but the witnesses say that he had already had it. He said, "I hit him twice," he said, " . . . once or twice on the head with that rod." And he said that when he started to beat him Shagen was sitting on the ground, and when he hit him he fell over. He said, "I left, right nearby they were burning things or something in an apartment, killing someone," he says, "and I came back to look, is that Shagen alive or not?" I said, "You wanted to finish him, right, and if he was still alive, you came back to hit him again?" He went back and looked and he was already dead. "After that," that bastard Tale said, "after that I went home." I said, "You . . . you . . . little snake," I said, "Are you a thief and a murderer?" Shagen had had money in his jacket, and a watch on his wrist. They were taken. He says he didn't take them When they overturned and burned the car, that Tale was no longer there, it was other people who did that. Who it was, who turned over the car and who burned it, that hasn't been clarified as yet. I told the investigator, "How can you have the trial when you don't know who burned the car?" He said something, but I didn't get what he was saying. But I said, "You still haven't straightened everything out, I think that's unjust." When they burned the car he was lying next to it, and the fire spread to him. In the death certificate it says that he had third-degree burns over 80 percent of his body . . . And I ask again, why was he killed? My husband was a carpenter; he was a good craftsman, he knew how to do everything, he even fixed his own car, with his own hands. We have three children. Three sons. Only Igor was with me at the time. The older one was in Pyatigorsk, and the younger one is serving in the Army. And now they're fatherless... I couldn't sit all the way through it. When the Procurator read up to 15 years' deprivation of freedom, I just . . . I went out of my mind, I didn't know what to do with myself, I said, "How can that be? You," I said, "you are saying that it was intentional murder and the sentence is 15 years' deprivation of freedom?" I screamed, I had my mind! I said, "Let me at that creep, with my bare hands I'll . . . " A relative restrained me, and there were all those military people there . . . I lest. I said," This isn't a Soviet trial, this is unjust!" That's what I shouted, l said it and left . . . I said that on February 27, when those people were streaming down our street, they were shouting, "Long live Turkey!" and "Glory to Turkey!" And during the trial I said to that Ismailov, "What does that mean, 'Glory to Turkey'?" I still don't understand what Turkey has to do with this, we live in the Soviet Union. That Turkey told you to or is going to help you kill Armenians? I still don't understand why "Glory to Turkey!" I asked that question twice and got no answer . . . No one answered me . . . May 19, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 178-184 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
17talk.politics.mideast
For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
15soc.religion.christian
Hey, I can't send mail to you, so.... Could you please resend me your address? I lost it (for H. in Moscow) Thanks, Jon
6misc.forsale
Could someone give me some information on the cause, pathophysiology and clinical manifestations and treatment of this type of cancer. Thank you in advance, Jason.
13sci.med
In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) wrote: > > In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: > > <apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks > >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman > <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around > >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park > <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm > >not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... > > This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put > their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the > back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. > Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. > Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? > Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and > a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? Women's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too shallow to use! I is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when she goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who as a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!). Puting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes you rear look wide as a cows! Also, to have the habits that work for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater what you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni) A women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside, none on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6 pockets! This is definitally not fair!!! As one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you, women's clothes have few if any funtional pockets! When dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and my keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent than the pants pockets and looks better. Having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is paramout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem. A woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e. Image some red necks yelling at you "We are going to FUCK YOU!" and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight on you!) If you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE! Celeste
7rec.autos
In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes: >I had a GE Emerson 13" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day, >while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause), >we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound, >so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon >the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV. >The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service >only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah.. > Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one >(we wanted a bigger one too!). > After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated >incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but >not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? > I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any >idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV). > Heh, heh, heh, heh....I laugh because I have the same damn TV, and it did the same thing! Actually it is a Goldstar, but it's essentially the same TV and electronics--just a different face plate and name. #1. Fortunately, TV tubes don't explode. I'd think the TV mfrs want to make this possibility remote as possible. If at all, they'll *implode* and the glass that blows out would be the result of the glass boucing off the back of the tube due to the implosion. In any case, don't kick it around! :-) #2 I fixed the TV after getting a hold of some schematics. It turned out to be a blown 2W resistor feeding the flyback transformer. I guess the original resistor was a bit too small to dissipate the heat it created, burning itself out. I checked to make sure the flyback wasn't shorted or anything first! Oh, luckily, I had a resistor handy lying around that had just the right value for what I needed. I can't see it being more than 50 cents!. Well, needless to say, the TV still works today. So go get a set of schematics and have some fun...just don't get shocked poking around the flyback.
12sci.electronics
In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: |> |>|> >|> |>|> >|> However, I have read a book: |>|> >|> |>|> >|> GA Wells, _Did_Jesus_Exist_ |>|> >|> |>|> >|> ISBN 0301860025 |>|> >|> |>|> >|> I found it to be thorough and interesting, but perhaps not the end of the |>|> >|> story. |>|> >|> |>|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating |>|> >|> to questions of science. |>|> > |>|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is |>|> > based on more than science alone. If you met a man who could walk on |>|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and |>|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect |>|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.) Science and |>|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific |>|> > "laws" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the |>|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos. |>|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the |>|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed, |>|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you |>|> > are interested. |>|> If I were to experience this strange creature for myself perhaps... |>|> |>|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally |>|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic |>|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more |>|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature |>|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many |>|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of |>|> guano... |> |> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring |> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if |> you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and |> well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, |> who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts |> are very much in harmony. |> I have left all the above in as context. It is strange that you mention Josephus, since Wells claims that historians and theologians widely regard the two mentions in Josephus to be Christian interpolations. I have also heard others make this claim. In addition, Wells claims that there are areas of dis-harmony in the four gospel accounts. Any harmony that you find is perhaps not surprising, as there seems to be evidence that Matthew and Luke are based on Mark and other documents. In article <1993Apr15.231515.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: |> The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the |> supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise? |> I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of |> truth. Well I rather think that you have shown your hand here :-) I suspect that many people would agree that the scientific method has replaced mythology and mysticism as method of finding out about the world. One might even call it the best source of "truth" we have available today. I will offer you a little deal. I will read the NT, the OT, and the Torah (NT and OT will be NEB or RSV versions) over the next 12 months, if you will read _Did_Jesus_Exist_ and stick to it past the first chapter. This is not such an onerous task on my part I will admit, as I have already decided to read the 3 I mentioned :-) Maybe when you have read it, you can tell me what you think. |> ========================================================== |> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> // |> // "I speak for myself only" // |> ========================================================== |> |> Regards -------- Richard Sharpe, sharpe@nmesis.enet.dec.com, Ph: 61-8-235-7237, FAX: ...-7299 Digital Equipment Corporation, 139 Frome St, Adelaide 5001, South Australia, OZ * I grew up in Darwin, so it's no wonder that I find Evolution a compelling * * explanation for life on Earth :-) * All opinions are those of the author, not of Digital Equipment!
19talk.religion.misc
In article <1993Apr28.150719.10511@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes... > > That's _Five Weeks In A Balloon_. And if anyone can tell me where to >get it, I sure would like a reply! I've been looking for that book for >TEN YEAR+, and never found it. (Note that I am _not_ looking for a $200 >collector's item; I'm hoping that *someone* has published it in modern >times, either in paperback or hardcover. I'm willing to spend $50 or >so to get a copy. I too am a Jules Verne collector, and can tell you that though tough to find, it *is* out there. I keep my eyes open all the time for his books at various Bay Area used book stores, and every once in a while get *very* lucky. You just need diligence. I don't know if the book store situation near JSC is as good as the Bay Area, but good luck. I have also had excellent luck at the Antiquarian Book Fair which comes to SF every other year, though the prices are more in the $100-$200 range than the $50 you want to spend. My guess is that *if* you find it, you won't need to spend even that much, since most people don't care about it. I think I paid about $15 for my dust-jacket-less but otherwise good condition copy, which I found one day at a small bookshop that happened to have just bought a lot of random books at an estate sale. Of course, if you re willing to buy blind, you can put a $2 advertisement in the Antiquarian Bookseller's newsletter (the exact title of which escapes me at the moment.) _Five Weeks in a Balloon_ is not the rarest of Jules Verne books. Someone has it for sale somewhere, and the AB is the way to find it. In fact, I would be surprised if you didn't get multiple offers of sale. Of course, that takes the fun out of hunting for it yourself... Good luck. -Scott -------------------- New .sig under construction Scott I. Chase Please be patient SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV Thank you
14sci.space
In article <C60no1.Jst@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes: >In article <1993Apr24.232542.6070@cheshire.oxy.edu> erik@cheshire.oxy.edu >(Erik Adams) writes: >+ I am looking at a new LC III and a used IIci. Prices > >+ The IIci has much greater potential for expansion, a la NuBus and >+ greater memory capacity. >Depends on the price you can get the ci for. Educationally speaking, >the 4/80 [?] LCIII here at FSU can be had at just under $1300. Add >in roughly $500 for a monitor. Last I'd heard, an 8mb LCIII simm >went for ~$250. > >I think you're in a win-win situation. No matter what you decide, >you'll most likely be happy with it. > >James Yes, and one thing to think about is the pricing on the 160M harddrive configuration. When I got my lowly classic II, the options were 40 or 80M harddrives, and it was clear that buying another 40M of harddrive space would cost *much* more than the difference in price between the two config- uartions. There is an analogous break in the LCIII/80 and 160 prices, and you will not regret spending the extra money for a larger harddrive. Particularly if you ever wind up wanting to use SoftPC, which sets up a several-MB (up to 30!) partition, or if you are generating large files with DTP software, or if you might ever want to check out a mac unix-like os, like MachTen, having the extra space will be helpful. when you are pricing used IIci's, look at the harddrive size they come with, and how much it would cost you to add more storage down the road... (Might be a useful bargaining strategy even if you see no reason to go over 80M, though I must admit that I am such a packrat that within 6 months of getting my computer, I was backing up a lot of stuff to floppies that I rarely use to because I was running out of space, without having started using DTP stuff, softPC or trying any unix os!) -Peter bell@minerva.cis.yale.edu
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Can anyone give me information or lead me to electronic information (not books; I'm too poor...) regarding programming the standard graphics modes? 320x200x4 and 640x200x2 are easy enough, but I'm not so sure about the rest. Something about planes or something, and writing to ports and the like, but I don't know the numbers or anything -- for the 16 color modes, I think. If I'm wrong, let me know. Also, 320x200x256 is just one byte/pixel; that's easy enough, but are there any other ways to write to the screen, perhaps bytes at a time, or something like that? Of course, I'd appreciate any information about any mode.... which reminds me of another question -- do the SuperVGA modes work the same, generally, as the normal 16 and 256 color modes, or is not only the mode numbers for various cards different, but the methods for writing to the screen different as well? Thanks for any help you can give me... I'm developing a screen class for C++ and find myself searching for information. Oh, I do have Ralf Brown's Interrupt List, which has given me tons of invaluable information already. It just doesn't go into the screen programming details (except for the read/write pixel BIOS calls... Thanks again. -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // Edward Ball, .sigless Knight eball12@calvin.edu // ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1comp.graphics
In article 21627@ousrvr.oulu.fi, kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: |>Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote: |> |> |>I love god just as much as she loves me. If she wants to seduce me, |>she'll know what to do. |> But if He/She did you would probably consider it rape. |>: Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see |>: that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic". |>: Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation. Yet some think it is |>: the ultimate. If you rely simply on your reason then you will never |>: know more than you do now. |> |>Your argument is of the type "you'll know once you try". |>Yet there are many atheists who have sincerely tried, and believed |>for many years, but were eventually honest enough to admit that |>they had lived in a virtual reality. |> Obviously there are many Christians who have tried and do believe. So .. ? |>: To learn you must accept that which you don't know. |> |>What does this mean? To learn you must accept that you don't know |>something, right-o. But to learn you must _accept_ something I don't |>know, why? This is not the way I prefer to learn. It is unwise to |>merely swallow everything you read. Suppose I write a book telling |>how the Great Invisible Pink Unicorn (tm) has helped me in my |>daily problems, would you accept this, since you can't know whether |>it is true or not? |> No one asks you to swallow everything, in fact Jesus warns against it. But let me ask you a question. Do you beleive what you learn in history class, or for that matter anything in school. I mean it's just what other people have told you and you don't want to swallow what others say. right ... ? The life , death, and resurection of Christ is documented historical fact. As much as anything else you learn. How do you choose what to believe and what not to? I could argue that George Washington is a myth. He never lived because I don't have any proof except what I am told. However all the major events of the life of Jesus Christ were fortold hundreds of years before him. Neat trick uh? There is no way to get into a sceptical heart. You can not say you have given a sincere effort with the attitude you seem to have. You must TRUST, not just go to church and participate in it's activities. Were you ever willing to die for what you believed?
0alt.atheism
In article <May.14.02.11.19.1993.25177@athos.rutgers.edu> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: >In article <May.9.05.39.52.1993.27456@athos.rutgers.edu> jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes: >[referring to Mary] >>She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin, >>but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was >>possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God. > >I have quite a problem with the idea that Mary never committed a sin. >Was Mary fully human? If it is possible for God to miraculously make >a person free of original sin, and free of committing sin their whole >life, then what is the purpose of the Incarnation of Jesus? Why can't >God just repeat the miracle done for Mary to make all the rest of us >sinless, without the need for repentance and salvation and all that? > >concept of Mary's sinlessness seems to me to be at odds with the >rest of Christian doctrine as I understand it. It's always a two-way street. God gave her the grace to avoid sin, thus when she was visited by Gabriel, she gave her fiat, her total acceptance of God's will. This fiat summarizes why Catholics regard her as the highest of all humans, that God chose her and that she accepted. Knowing this in advance, we extrapolate that she was neither stained by nor subject to original sin. God did create us all miraculously free to choose or not choose to sin. "Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof and the grace of God to command it." This amount of grace was precisely determined by God to be the amount required to do what God asked of her. The grace given to each of us is also enough, but we do not always choose to accept it. We also believe Jesus was fully human and never sinned. God could have created a much better person than myself, one who always chose the right thing, yet he created me instead, despite my flaws. He proves he loves me as I am, continually drawing me towards perfection. For whatever purpose he has for me, he has confidence that I will accomplish it. If I ask God to repeat his miraculous creation of the mother of his son, where will that leave me? Joe Moore
15soc.religion.christian
In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do >>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? > >This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical >coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future >national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured >must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, >you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. >In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, >you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do >so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within >24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need >your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly >wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry >the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. > > Frank Crary > CU Boulder > Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve. Tom the non hacker tsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu The return address is set wrong, send personal response to the above address.
16talk.politics.guns
In article <1993Apr21.142333.6707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes: >bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar > Marten) writes: >>> >>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow >>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has > >>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything >>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank >>bag. > >I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment >straps. Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap >tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit >is not optimal. Good point, I'd overlooked that. The Eclipse has a 3 point mount, 1 at the rear and 2 at the front, and it's very stable on the FJ. I have seen some with harnesses that mount to the sides of the tank, and that would be a real problem on the FJ. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com
8rec.motorcycles
w/o actually executing it? somehow one of my xterminal users has made it so that a click of MB3 (right) automatically kills all clients - oh my :-( thanx, fish -- John R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 "So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking, racing around to come up behind you again." -rw/dg
5comp.windows.x
My Datadesk Mac 101E keyboard has similar problems. I have found that holding down the RIGHT-HAND shift key at startup will work (disable extensions), but the left-hand shift key won't (which is unfortunate, since the left one is the one I instinctively reach for). Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of command-option for desktop rebuilds. I *is* irritating. Cheers, Michael. -- ----------------------------/|-|--|-|--|------Michael-Smith------------------- smith@pell.anu.edu.au /_| |\ | | | Mathematics Research Section --------------------------/--|-|-\|-|_/|------Australian-National-University--
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: =I think that's the correct spelling.. = I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow =do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking =that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for =sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly =appreciated. = In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my =knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic =object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns =or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type =of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might =extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within =the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. Go to the library and look up "corona discharge." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
13sci.med
In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) >- >-2. The homosexuals have gotten a law passed in California that >-makes it illegal to discriminate against a person in employment >-based on their sexual orientation -- and not defined sexual >-orientation. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. >- > GOT HIM! Cramer is now claiming that pedophilia is a sexual orientation rather than a chronicly homosexual condition. This changes the whole argument in as much that is pedophilia is a sexual orientation all of its own peds cannot be called homosexual. Peds are peds who may have a preference as to the sex of the child they molest (though most do not have a preference) but that is a subset of their basic ped nature. Cramer has as much as admitted that peds and gay men are different orientations. All we need now is to get him to admit that the apparent similarities he keeps on about are just optical illusions. xavier -- * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** * Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ****** * World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email *************************** * Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons
18talk.politics.misc
In article <1993Apr21.070706.21059@julian.uwo.ca> kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) writes: >Back to hockey, >the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have >just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!! Well, if SHIT means going to the Stanley Cup finals a couple years ago, I'd rather be shit than a leaf fan. -- GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
10rec.sport.hockey
I am in the process of installing X11R5 on my Sun Sparcstation 2 and have run into a problem. I imagine it has something to do with a missing screen driver, or something along those lines, but figured someone out there in Internet land might be able to help. I am installing it on a machine that already has OpenLook installed, and would like to have both installed concurrently. Thus, I set it up to compile to my /usr/X11R5 directory. I worked out all the kinks in getting it compiled (with gcc), so that it compiles without any warnings. I need it installed for PEX-SI, so I set all those appropriate flags. When I run it, however, I get a message along the lines of: Getting interface configuration : Operation not supported on socket sunOpenFrameBuffer : Inappropriate ioctl for device Fatal server error : no screens found Any ideas on how I can fix it? Please respond by e-mail at the below address. Thanks in advance. -Dan -- "I do not want to be immortalized through my works; I want to be immortalized through not dying." -Woody Allen Dan Kirkpatrick | Dept of Electrical & Computer Engineering ~dsk@rice.edu | Rice University uunet!rice.edu!dsk@uunet.uu.net | Houston, TX
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2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <MEKENKAMP.6.737653432@STPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL> MEKENKAMP@STPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL (Leo Mekenkamp) writes: >Excuse me? Are you one of those people who *enjoy* working w/win? Come talk >to a house-mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he >encountered yet another sudden appearence of the DOS-prompt while cutting >and pasting in win! Or an empty win screen without any tasks running (i.e. >^ESC brings up an empty list, progman has done it again.) *Sigh* Don't know what your roomate is doing but it must be something wrong. Are there people who enjoy using Windows? Yes. I'll admit to it. Given a choice between a Mac and Windows I choose Windows every time (to start another flame thread 9-) ) .... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
ALL I CAN SAY IS G O T I G E R S!!!!!! -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------
9rec.sport.baseball
Candidate Clinton promised to tax the rich, and most folks thought that was a pretty nifty idea. Then President Clinton said he wanted families who make more than $100,000 to bear 70% of the new tax burden, and many were quick to complain that their six-figure income does not make them one of the well-to-do. It's particularly ironic (to me) that it's in those traditionally liberal enclaves of the Bay Area and academia where the wealthy are struggling so to fit themselves into the mantle of "just regular working-class folk". Nobody will ever admit to being rich; everybody's middle class. So who are The Rich? Well, I'll throw out some stats from the 1990 Census and let you be the judge... Va negvpyr <mzimmersC5E1qK.Fn9@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) jevgrf: } In article <1qcdvbINN5ti@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> } fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: } > [...] } >that would be about $55 to 65 thousand US, and that is what tenured } >professors can expect to make. For a PhD with say 10 years experience, } >$65,000 is a lot less than what he could be making in industry. } } Oh? As a 12-year veteran of Silicon Valley, I've seen precious few } employment ads that call for PhDs. And $65K is hardly chump change; } it's well above the median *household* income for the state. Bay Area average household income is in the mid-$40,000 range. National average is $31,889. The Bay Area has nearly twice the national average of six-figure income households (9.1% vs 4.8%*). The cost-of-living here may be high, but I don't think it's twice the national average... } >In Los Angeles, modest home prices can be $500,000. A 1,500-square-foot tract house in a Bay Area working-class neighborhood goes for about $250,000. I doubt that the Los Angeles market is all that different. It would appear that this definition of "modest" is perhaps a bit immoderate... } So what? They're no cheaper for those who are gainfully employed. } } >In California, $65,000 is not upper-middle-class. } } It depends upon your definition; it's clearly above average. It is more than what two-thirds of California households make. Seems to me that belonging to the upper one-third is not an unreasonable definition of "upper-middle-class". Note that if that professor's spouse earns $35,000 they become one of Clinton's "rich" families. Here's a breakdown of national, California, and Bay Area household incomes: <$30K $30-50K $50-100K $100K+ ------------------------------------ US 49% 24% 23% 4% * the Census Bureau did some weird CA 41% 26% 26% 7% rounding here...more like 5% BA 34% 25% 31% 9% And to add a little prespective: A minimum wage earner working 40 hours/week makes $8,840/year. The poverty line for a family of four is $15,171. If they make up to twice that, the government considers them to be "working poor". Say we decide to call this the "lower-middle-class". Then how 'bout: $30-50K annual income is "middle-class". $50-100K is "upper-middle-class". $100K+ is "rich". $1,000K+ is "filthy-rich". and $10,000+ is "Bill Gates". make sense? ;^) -timr -- There's nothing surer, The rich get rich and the poor get poorer, In the meantime, in between time, Ain't we got fun. --Raymond Egan
18talk.politics.misc
From article <C5sEGz.Mwr@dscomsa.desy.de>, by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker): > > In article <APM.93Apr20090558@hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com>, apm@hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes: > |>Path: dscomsa!dxcern!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!think.com!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!apm > |>From: apm@hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) > > |>In article <1993Apr19.170353.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu> chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: [stuff about British cult members deleted] > |>What exactly are you trying to say? And why were there no fire-engines within > |>a mile of the compound? > > Because the Gun loonies were firing on vehicles with 50mm amunition that > has a range of 3000 meters. They were using 50 caliber ammunition not 50mm ammo. 50mm would be 5cm; a shell of this size would be larger than a lot of cannon shells. Snipers could have screened the people trying to put out the fire. Besides, the ranch house (not "fort apocalypse"; it was just a house despite what the FBI and ATF says) was on *fire*. The "Gun loonies" couldn't hardly have been shooting at fire men while there house was engulfed in flames. The FBI and ATF don't have any excuse for not having fire engines there to put out the blaze. The bastards waited until the fire was *well* under way before they called the fire department in Waco. They didn't even tell the fire department to be on standby. I sincerely hope that the FBI, ATF, Attorney General Janet Reno, and all others involved in this fiasco get the just punishment that they so richly deserve. Someone should pay for this needless, tragic waste of human life. Sadly, these evil SOBs will probably never face justice. The media and the government will just whitewash this incident and chalk it up as being solely David Koresh's fault. Sadder still, the American people will probably believe them. > Next question. > > > The problem is of course the laws that allow a bunch of raving nutters > to collect a huge stack of arms in the first place. This is not the problem...the problem is that we have a government that is becoming more tyrannical every day. If people decide to own guns *and* live in one place together then that is their prerogative. On the other hand, if the BDs were in posession of explosives and illegal guns then the government did have the right to search their compound. But, the allegations that the BDs were in posession of illegal weapons hasn't been proven yet, so I'm not going to conclude that the BDs broke any laws. David Koresh was accused of abusing children, but if this is his *only* crime then the presence of the ATF can't be justified. The ATF is only supposed to deal with firearms, tobacco, and alcohol violations. ATF agents are basically cigarette cops...they should stay out of other kinds of law-enforcement actions that are out of their jurisdiction. Better yet, they should be s**tcanned IMO. > The sequence of events meant that there really was no option but to > attempt some sort of breakthrough via an intervention. If the FBI had > had the stomach for it they could have mounted a commando type > raid and attempted to save the children by shooting all the adults. Sounds like something the SS would do. Human life---children and adults alike---should be treated with respect---even if they are "heavily-armed religious wackos". David Koresh's lawyer seemed to think that everyone *would* come out peacefully sooner or later. The FBI and ATF had NOTHING BUT TIME ON THEIR HANDS! Why did they have to escalate the situation and cause this senseless tragedy? Their job is to protect the public and SAVE LIVES NOT KILL PEOPLE for crying out loud. > It really was a no win situation. Koresh had plenty of opportunity > to give up and stand trial for the murder of the 4 ATF officers. Instead > he ordered the murder of the children. Don't be so sure about that. I read in a newspaper today that one of the cult members said that when one of the tanks went through the wall that it knocked over a lantern which caused the ranch house to be caught on fire. This cult member also said that David Koresh had *no* intentions of committing mass suicide. David Koresh's lawyer also confirms this. Therefore, if this is true then this means that the FBI AND ATF MURDERED EVERYONE IN THAT HOUSE! Even if this is not true, the FBI and ATF still don't get off the hook because they waited a damn long time to call the Waco fire department. Perhaps they wanted all these people to die. > In order to reject the word of the FBI and BATF it is neccessary to beleive > the words of a man who has just murdered 17 children and ordered the > suicide/murder of his other 80 followers. According to the account given > the BATF attempted to serve a warrant upon Koresh at the ranch and were met > by gunfire in a deliberate attempt to murder them. The Koresh/gun supporter > claim that the BATF started shooting simply does not stand up. If the > AFT had gone there to start shooting they would have gone with heavier > grade weaponry than standard issue handguns. For all practical purposes > they were unarmed, the B-D followers had automatic weapons. You're wrong on several accounts. ATF agents were adequately armed. They had MP5s, AR-15s, and shotguns. Some agents were armed with automatic pistols but not all were. The ATF's initial claim---which they later retracted---that agents were underarmed is simply ludicrous. > The B-D seige could not be allowed to go on indefinitely. The B-D were > quite capable of commiting mass suicide and murdering the children at any > time. A commando assault was the only other likely action that could have > achieved that objective, that would have been very risky, orders of > magintude harder than Antebbe or the Iranian Embassy Seige. Airplanes > and Embassies are not designed for defense against attack ranch > apocalypse was. 6 terrorists are far easier to disloge without casualties > than 80. > > Allowing the siege to go on was not an option either, besides the serious > risk that Koresh would proclaim armageddon at any moment there was the > question of the difficulties of keeping the emmergency team on standby over > a prolonged period. The longer the siege went on the more mentally prepared > Koresh and his followers would be for a prolonged siege. Rather than go > in prematurely the mistake was probably to go in too soon. > > > Can you think of a better way of getting the children out? > > A 100% certain way? > > > The people who do not want gun control must obviously discount the entire > government story. This is simply rationalisation. It is not enough for > them to simply dismiss the government as incompetent. That would require > them to come up with a solution themselves. Instead they have to come > up with a government conspiracy theory whereby the government decided to > set out to murder 80 people just to set up some sort of scare to alow them > to get gun control legislation through. Gun control isn't the only issue here. If the sick little monkeys in Washington try to use the Waco incident as a reason to ban guns then they will have demonstrated just how f***ed up they are. What concerns me much more than new gun control legislation is that the government seems to be able to get away with s**t like they did in Waco...they are becoming more and more callous about people's rights and the law. This greatly disturbs me and it should disturb you as well. > This conspiracy theory assumes that the BATF deliberately got 4 of its > agents killed and that the FBI etc actually enjoy sitting out in the > middle of Texas being shot at by religious nutters. > > Still the conspiracy theory is comforting, it allows them to pretend that > WACO proves nothing except about how incompetent the government is in > resolving a hostage crisis. No govt in the world has ever faced a > comparable situation, quite probably there was no manner in which it > could be peacefully resolved. The blame does not rest on the FBI, it > rests on the fact that Koresh was allowed to get so far, in particular > the person who tipped the B-D off in advance has the murder of 4 ATF > agents and 17 children on his or her conscience. > > > There are a large number of people in the US who predict the end of society > preach salvation through armed security. The fact is that these are the > very people who pose the threat to society in the first place. The next WACO > may not be religious nutters but a political movement. A splinter group > of the Klu Klux Klan taking over a schoolhouse in a black area for example > and holding several hundred children hostage. > > The only possible solution to such situations that can work is to prevent > them arising. No other government in the world has faced such a situation. > this is because no other government has so carelessly allowed high power > weaponry to become avaliable to any little Hitler or would be Messiah > to set themselves up as dictator in their own little empire. > > > Phill Hallam-Baker Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
16talk.politics.guns
In article <May.7.01.09.44.1993.14556@athos.rutgers.edu> maxwell c muir, muirm@argon.gas.organpipe.uug.arizona.edu writes: >of Faith (if you want to know, I feel that faith is intellectually >dishonest). I'd appreciate some support for this statement. I'm not sure it really makes sense to me. >The ambiguity of religious beliefs, an unwillingness to take >Pascal's Wager, I've heard this frequently - what exactly is Pascal's wager? > Do I sound "broken" to you? I don't know. You point out that your mother's treatment upset you, and see inconsistencies in various religions. I'm not sure if that constitutes broken-ness or not. It certainly consititutes disillusionment. -- Filipp Sapienza Department of Technology Services University of Michigan Hospitals - Surgery Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu
15soc.religion.christian
In article <C4M8E5.AuD@csn.org> et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) writes: >From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) >Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise >Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? >Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:18:04 GMT >In article <C4KvJF.4qo@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: >>crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >>> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes: >>>> "Existence" is undefined unless it is synonymous with "observable" in >>>> physics. >>> [crb] Dong .... Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of >>> string theory? >> >> I agree. You can add "dark matter" and quarks and a lot of other >>unobservable, purely theoretical constructs in physics to that list, >>including the omni-present "black holes." >> >> Will Bruce argue that their existence can be inferred from theory >>alone? Then what about my original criticism, when I said "Curvature >>can only exist relative to something non-curved"? Bruce replied: >>"'Existence' is undefined unless it is synonymous with 'observable' in >>physics. We cannot observe more than the four dimensions we know about." >>At the moment I don't see a way to defend that statement and the >>existence of these unobservable phenomena simultaneously. -|Tom|- > >"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have >no properties." >"Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the >space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, >is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, >for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." - Nikola Tesla > >---- > ET "Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes." >----
14sci.space
Does anyone has a table about the size of the wire to the amount of current it can carry. Probably in the 1-15amp range. My friend is interested in converting a Mazda into an electric car. Needed information for estimation. Thanks in advance. p.s. any info on electric will be greatly appreaciated.
12sci.electronics
I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in MS-DOS, Windows if possible. What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins). It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the components as well as their values. In other words I want to produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer. If you know of such a CAD program that is of reasonable cost, please respond. Fred W. Culpepper OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired) fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu ---
12sci.electronics
In article <1qkn25$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: #In article <1qjb40$n4f@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: #|> In article <1qijer$a2r@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes: #|> #you can't force your view of objective morality on me. #|> #|> Try me. #|> #|> [Note to readers outside t.a. : #|> #|> taite has been advocating violent civil disobedience in the U.S. #|> in order to promote his view that abortion should be illegal. Given the #|> necessity and the opportunity, I would have no objection to "forcing" #|> morality on him, if that's what it would take to prevent him carrying out #|> his stated desire to "hang women who have multiple abortions"] # #What do you mean when you say "I would have no objection?" Right, I mean that I would approve of, and if necessary (it isn't) assist in such force. #Do you mean it's moral to use force on someone who advocates #the use of force? With a few provisos, yes. Minimum force, for a start. And, it depends on what is being forced (on either side). #Or do you mean that sometimes we have to use force on such #people out of necessity or self-defence, while recognizing #that our own actions in doing so are not moral? My opinion is that our actions would be moral, and it would be immoral not to act if action would be both necessary and effective. Again, there many caveats and provisios. Note, my usage of "my opinion" is an admission that I don't have a lock on morals, not that there is no truth about morality to have a lock on. #jon. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
0alt.atheism
In article <saross01.734885336@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: |> In <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: |> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that |> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. |> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. |> |> What?! White, yes. Well off, definitely not. Hockey season ticket owners have |> the lowest average income of any of the four major North American sports. Do you have a basis for this claim? Try these stats (taken from Playboy Magazine June 1989): Percentage of pro football fans who have attended college: 39.7 Percentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college: 41.5 Percentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college: 39.9 Percentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college: 54.6 Percentage of pro football fans who earn more than $50K: 34.9 Percentage of pro baseball fans who make more than $50K: 22.7 Percentage of pro basketball fans who make more than $50K: 27.7 Percentage of pro hackey fans who make more than $50K: 44.0 |> |> And think of where the majority of hockey players come from. From a farm out |> in Boondock, Saskatchewan or Weedville, Alberta. |> The biggest advantage that kids from Boondock or Weedville have is the availability of ice. In the San Jose area we have a population of 800,000 and that population is served by 2 ice arenas. In contrast, Kamloops, British Columbia has a population of about 50,000 and has 5 rinks! There are also myriad ponds, pools, etc that freeze in the winter. Down here it's hard to find a kid without a bicycle; up there it's hard to find a kid without a pair of skates. And before you say "what does he know? He's from California." let me say that I was born and raised in Trail, British Columbia, a town of about 8,000 with lots of ice in the winter. My father did radio play by play for the local team, the Trail Smokeaters, who by the way, were the last Canadian team to win the World Championship (back in 1961). I was on skates almost as soon as I could walk, and have been playing recreational hockey for about 35 years. |> >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city. |> >The insurance alone is a big enough barrier. |> |> The inner city isn't the only place that is poor. |> I think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is... no ICE to play on. Lack of ice is a big factor, but costs is a bigger factor. Both my kids play for the Santa Clara Valley Hockey Association and this season, which just ended, cost me $75 per kid for membership in Hockey USA, plus $750 per kid for club dues. The Hockey USA fees cover excess medical insurance, and the club dues cover ice time, officials, trophies, etc. Other areas have similar fees, unless the city government subsidises some of the costs, as Stockton does. By the way; most ice arenas are located in what could be called the "inner city" areas. Eastridge and Vallco are exceptions ... Redwood City's rink is in an industrial area on Bay Rd, near 101, Berkeley's is near Ashby and Martin Luther King, Stockton's is in Oak Park, Sacramento's is in an older section of downtown (I forget the name of the street), Fresno's is out on the edge of town, just west of 99. Santa Rosa's is a nice rink, but it's in an older section of town. Dublin's is outside of town, off 580. Most of the rinks are old, and expensive to run, with huge electric bills and insurance premiums. If you want to buy ice time expect to pay around $100 per hour at any of these rinks. Some of them give you a 60 minute hour for your money; others give you a 50 minute hour and include the resurfacing time in the fee. -- Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know." Santa Clara, Ca alan@berlioz.nsc.com Thomas Carlyle
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>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) said: CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. This is very bad advice. Helmets have two major impact absorbing layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer. Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or delaminates from age. Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression. I have a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail. Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender. Even when the comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously degrade the effectiveness of a helmet. If you are in the habit of "parking your lid" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the comfort liner at the condition of the foam. If it is significantly damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet. -- Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu> MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18 Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
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Ilyess sez: >So how would have *you* defended Saudi Arabia and rolled >back the Iraqi invasion, were you in charge of Saudi Arabia??? All Muslims knew that the whole thing was set up to destroy Iraq, not to "Liberate Kuwait", The people who were killed by the invasion are more (many many more), than the ones that were killed by the Iraqis in their smaller invasion. I lived in the west, and I have seen how your media prepared you (helpless naive Americans) for a war against ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No doubt you plan on exploiting "helpless naive Americans" for your own purposes. Hmm...let's see: Iraq even before the artificial conflict between Iraq and Kuwait that led to the invasion, as the CIA correctly predicted (and pretended to be surprised not to know). It just happened that Saddam was so predictible and so arrogant and stupid. What would I have done: Most Muslims would choose 300 dead Kuwaitis over 200,000 dead Iraqis and 1000 dead Kuwaitis. The first case would happen if no western intervention happened, and the second case was a direct or indirect result of western envolvement. Possibly, if 200,000 Iraqis had indeed died, but this number is based on Greenpeace estimates. Greenpeace had compromised its alleged impartiality during the war by condemning the potential environmental consequences of Allied miiltary action, while initially *completely* ignoring Iraq's horrible environmental crimes, starting with the dumping of millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf at Ahmadi to the blowing of over 700 oil wells. What is the real number? There has been a lot of work on this in the last two years, none of it reported as the Greenpeace figure seems to get continuously bandied about. The real number seems to be around 10,000, on the same order as the number of Kuwaitis killed, tortured and kidnapped during the occupation. I've included an article I recently posted below, but this is really old news. Independent Television News reported a figure around 15,000 only a few months after the war, but it was hardly reported. For the Allies to have killed 200,000 Iraqis, they would have had to kill twice the *total* number of Iraqis in Kuwait. The favored image of the hysterics is the last battle of the war at Mutla'. This was yet another example of the American and European media playing into the hands of Iraq and its de facto allies. The destruction of the Iraqi convoy at Mutla' was portrayed as an all-out slaughter. This is simply not true. The head and tail of the convoy was bombed initially, resulting in a lot of casualties at these points. Before bombers came back, most of the rest of the Iraqi soldiers fled on foot. Furthermore, your estimates of Kuwaiti war dead if Allies hadn't invaded is completely ridiculous. You have acknowledged (certainly implicitly) that Saddam is a barbarous brute. You have acknowledged the hundreds of thousands he has been responible for killing *in his own country*. You *know* that the man he appointed as governor of Kuwait, Ali Majid, was his most brutal henchman, presiding over the near genocide of the Kurds in the late 80's and, more recently, the Shi'a. Yet, when it comes to his treatment of Kuwaitis, he is an angel. In your estimate, he would've killed *fewer* than he already had when the war started. What a joke! APn 03/09 0006 Iraq War Dead Copyright, 1993. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. By NICK LUDINGTON Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- After the Persian Gulf War ended, the world was told that as many as 100,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed. At one point, even Baghdad put the toll that high, as did the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in private. But U.S. officials have been backpedaling ever since, even though the Pentagon has yet to settle on an official estimate to release to the public. Now, one former DIA analyst says the number of Iraqi troops killed may have been as low as 1,500. That conclusion by John Heidenrich, writing in the current issue of the quarterly magazine Foreign Policy, represents the lowest estimate yet from U.S. defense sources. The revisions suggesting a less devastating Iraqi toll fit a pattern of vastly moderated U.S. military claims in the months after the war ended. Claims for a number of U.S. weapons also were scaled down. Despite the dramatic videotapes of successful weaponry or the shocking pictures of Iraq's disastrous retreat from Kuwait, arguments have continued unabated about what really happened in the Gulf War. Heidenrich is not the first to question the Iraqi death toll numbers that originally were aired. More that a year ago, Air Force Lt. Gen. Charles Horner, the commander of the air campaign in the Gulf War, said he believed the Iraqi military death toll was fewer than 10,000 for the entire war. The Pentagon itself still refuses to provide an estimate of the number of Iraqis who died in the 42-day war against the U.S.-led coalition in January and February 1991. On Monday, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Joe Gradisher reiterated past statements that "there just isn't a number," that is credible. But some current internal estimates range from 8,000 to 25,000 Iraqi troops killed, said one analyst, speaking on condition of anonymity, who is familiar with the Pentagon's reports. Allied deaths were put at 146 Americans, 35 by friendly fire; 24 British, 9 by American fire; 2 Frenchmen, 1 Italian and 39 among various Arab allies. Of the postwar reassessments, the most widely publicized was the Army's reluctant acknowledgement, months later, that its touted Patriot air defense system was nowhere near so effective as claimed against Iraq's Scud missiles. The Bush administration initially claimed an almost perfect record for the Patriot; last spring it revised the hit ratio to 60 percent. The success record of the Navy's Tomahawk high-tech cruise missile used against targets in Baghdad and other parts of Iraq also turned out to be more modest than initially indicated by the Pentagon. The first Iraqi casualty figures to surface after the war came in a May 1991 report by the environmental group Greenpeace, which said 100,000 to 120,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed. It estimated that 5,000 to 15,000 Iraqi civilians were also killed. The same month, published reports said the Defense Intelligence Agency estimated 100,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed and 300,000 wounded in the air and ground campaigns -- although the agency qualified that by saying the estimate could be off by as much as 50 percent in either direction. But as more information became available, those figures gradually were revised downward. The House Armed Services Committee staff estimated 9,000 dead and 17,000 wounded after a review last year. But Heidenrich, writing in the current issue of the quarterly Foreign Policy, estimated the total death toll from both the air and ground offensives as low as 1,500 -- with about 3,000 wounded. Heidenrich based the conclusion in his article on the number of bodies found and buried by U.S. troops -- 577 -- and on prisoner of war interviews. He noted that only about 2,000 of 69,000 Iraqi prisoners of war were wounded. Based on the calculation that about half as many wounded escaped as were captured, he put the number of wounded at about 3,000. Using a conservative ratio of one dead to two wounded, applicable to Third World armies like Iraq, he set battlefield deaths at 1,500. "Maybe the figures are too low," he wrote. "Maybe the real death toll on the battlefield was 2,000 or 3,000 or even 6,000. Even then, the evidence suggests a death toll of well below 100,000 -- or even 10,000." In an interview, he said the 100,000 figure was obviously off base because it would mean that virtually all the Iraqi soldiers in the Kuwait theater of operations were casualties. He said today's bloodiest wars were not those fought with high technology, but rather the drawn-out conflicts such as those in Yugoslavia and Somalia.
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Quoting pla@sktb.demon.co.uk in article <8AOHOnj024n@sktb.demon.co.uk>: >You have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records >of McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at >sucking) and Nixon. History does not record whether J. Edgar Hoover was any good at sucking. As for the cleaners, I'll stick with my 850W Electrolux and damn the carpet. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
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In article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: >IMHO, you have Lyme disease. I told you this in private email and predicted >that you might next start having the migrating pains and further joint IMHO, the original poster has no business soliciting diagnoses off the net, nor does Dr./Mr. O'Donnell have any business supplying same. This is one major reason real physicians avoid this newsgroup like the plague. It is also another example of the double standard: if I as a physician offered to diagnose and treat on the net, I can be sued. But people without qualifications are free to do whatever they want and disclaim it all with "I'm not a doctor." Get and keep this crap off the net. Period. -km
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In article <babb-190493113153@larc.sdsu.edu> babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) writes: >Fellow Info-junkies, > I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming/Embedded Sensors & >Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other >articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages. > >Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same >condition (Labels OK). > >I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK? >You don't actually throw them away, do you? > >Thanx, >Jeff Babb >babb@sciences.sdsu.edu I have also been trying to complete my collection. I have an extra CCI # 16 (Communications) and a # 12 (Applications in the Arts), both in mint condition. I would like to trade for (or buy) the following: # 1, 3, 22, 23, 25, 26, 30, and 31. Thanks -David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> | | Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+
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Coming from a long line of "hot tempered" people, I know temper when I see it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were "spiritually hungry." Instead of answering questions with sweetness and sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries. You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm. Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish.
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-*----- In article <1r67ruINNmle@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: >> ... Am I correct, then, in assuming that that Josephus did in >> fact write about Jesus, but Christian copists embellished it? In article <1993Apr23.134601.377@ulysses.att.com> mls@ulysses.att.com (Michael L. Siemon) writes: > "Correct" overstates the case. The whole point of the discussions > has been that it is *reasonable* to assume that there was some brief > reference to Jesus that has been doctored. By consensus, this is > the *most* reasonable of the proposed solutions -- but not so much > so as to rule out complete fabrication. It is worth noting that the dozen or so references to Jesus outside of Christian scripture provide us *no* evidence of what he taught or what he did beyond the fact that the early Christians claimed him as their founder. All of the writers must have received their information from the early Christians, perhaps second or third hand. None of these references give any hint that the writers had any independent information about Jesus. These references do show that the early Christians were having an influence, at least enough to earn a few lines here and there in other peoples' writings. But the typical use to which they are put by some Christian apologists, in making psuedo-historical arguments a la Josh, is totally specious. Russell
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In article <1993Apr30.004519.7741@csus.edu> sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) writes: > >Perhaps someone should ask Zippy the Pinhead for his opinion. :) > Yow! Am I ENCRYPTING yet? Didn't we go over this guns'n'crypto discussion a few months ago? Must we go over it again? /ji
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In article <SLAGLE.93Apr15000157@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >In article <1993Apr13.215245.2916@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr13.083449.1058@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: > >>>... the point is that this law protects no one but the >>>established car dealers or people with enough money to start a >>>fairly big operation all at once. Protecting these folks from >>>competition protects the rest of us from low prices and high >>>quality. > >> An excellent point. But you seem to be missing a more subtle >> point. It is not "the government" that should be the recipient >> of your displeasure, but the established business interests >> that influence and direct government action in this case. > >It is the government that is preventing entry to the market. The >desire of those running established businesses to prevent or >restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though >generally unpleasant, human failing. But without a means to act >on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to >restrict the options of the potential competitor, the >anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish. The >government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we >don't get the shaft. Once again, Mark, you don't specify the means through which the government is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto dealers. But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly designed to accomplish the opposite. jsh > >=Mark -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM "One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t." - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826
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In article <116005@bu.edu> rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) writes: >I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond >Speedstar 1MB video card. The Diamond BBS has these. Their 2400 baud BBS phone number is (408) 730-1100. Their 9600 baud BBS phone number is (408) 524-9335. Sorry, I don't know of any FTP site that has these (though I'd be surprised if there wasn't one).
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Mysstem crashes aftwer sleepp. I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and filesharing. I have and ExpressModem. --Lowell -- *********************************************************************** * Lowell Reiter "I need a Vacation... Now!!! " * * Tufts University * * Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * ***********************************************************************
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Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part10 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 10: References This is the tenth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in this part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents * Books on history and classical methods * Books on modern methods * Survey articles * Reference articles * Journals, conference proceedings * Other * Electronic sources * RFCs (available from [FTPRF]) * Related newsgroups * Books on history and classical methods [CF] Lambros D. Callimahos, William F. Friedman, Military Cryptanalytics. Aegean Park Press, ?. 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Sorkin, LUCIFER: a cryptographic algorithm. Cryptologia, 8(1), 22--35, 1984. * Journals, conference proceedings CRYPTO Eurocrypt IEEE Transactions on Information Theory Cryptologia: a cryptology journal, quarterly since Jan 1977. Cryptologia; Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology; Terre Haute Indiana 47803 [general: systems, analysis, history, ...] Journal of Cryptology; International Association for Cryptologic Research; published by Springer Verlag (quarterly since 1988). The Cryptogram (Journal of the American Cryptogram Association); 18789 West Hickory Street; Mundelein, IL 60060; [primarily puzzle cryptograms of various sorts] Cryptosystems Journal, Published by Tony Patti, P.O. Box 188, Newtown PA, USA 18940-0188 or tony_s_patti@cup.portal.com. Publisher's comment: Includes complete cryptosystems with source and executable programs on diskettes. Tutorial. The typical cryptosystems supports multi-megabit keys and Galois Field arithmetic. Inexpensive hardware random number generator details. Computer and Communication Security Reviews, published by Ross Anderson. Sample issue available from various ftp sites, including black.ox.ac.uk. Editorial c/o rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk. Publisher's comment: We review all the conference proceedings in this field, including not just Crypto and Eurocrypt, but regional gatherings like Auscrypt and Chinacrypt. We also abstract over 50 journals, and cover computer security as well as cryptology, so readers can see the research trends in applications as well as theory. * Other Address of note: Aegean Park Press, P.O. Box 2837, Laguna Hills, CA 92654-0837. Answering machine at 714-586-8811. The ``Orange Book'' is DOD 5200.28-STD, published December 1985 as part of the ``rainbow book'' series. Write to Department of Defense, National Security Agency, ATTN: S332, 9800 Savage Road, Fort Meade, MD 20755-6000, and ask for the Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria. Or call 301-766-8729. [BAMFD] Bamford, The Puzzle Palace. Penguin Books, ?. [GOO83] I. J. Good, Good Thinking: the foundations of probability and its applications. University of Minnesota Press, 1983. [KNU81] D. E. Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming, volume 2: Seminumerical Algorithms. Addison-Wesley, 1981. [KUL68] Soloman Kullbach, Information Theory and Statistics. Dover, 1968. [YAO88] A. Yao, Computational Information Theory. In Complexity in Information Theory, ed. by Abu-Mostafa, 1988. * How may one obtain copies of FIPS and ANSI standards cited herein? Many textbooks on cryptography contain complete reprints of the FIPS standards, which are not copyrighted. The following standards may be ordered from the U.S. Department of Commerce, National Technical Information Service, Springfield, VA 22161. FIPS PUB 46-1 "Data Encryption Standard" (this is DES) FIPS PUB 74 "Guidelines for Implementing as Using the NBS DES" FIPS PUB 81 "DES Modes of Operation" FIPS PUB 113 "Computer Data Authentication" (using DES) The following standards may be ordered from the American National Standards Institute Sales Office, 1430 Broadway, New York, NY 10018. Phone 212.642.4900 ANSI X3.92-1981 "Data Encryption Algorithm" (identical to FIPS 46-1) ANSI X3.106-1983 "DEA Modes of Operation" (identical to FIPS 113) Notes: Figure 3 in FIPS PUB 46-1 is in error, but figure 3 in X3.92-1981 is correct. The text is correct in both publications. * Electronic sources Anonymous ftp: [FTPBK] ftp.uu.net:bsd-sources/usr.bin/des/ [FTPCB] ftp.uu.net:usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume10/cbw/ [FTPDF] ftp.funet.fi:pub/unix/security/destoo.tar.Z [FTPEY] ftp.psy.uq.oz.au:pub/DES/ [FTPMD] rsa.com:? [FTPMR] cl-next3.cl.msu.edu:pub/crypt/newdes.tar.Z [FTPOB] ftp.3com.com:Orange-book [FTPPF] prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/lpf/ [FTPPK] ucsd.edu:hamradio/packet/tcpip/crypto/des.tar.Z [FTPRF] nic.merit.edu:documents/rfc/ [FTPSF] beta.xerox.com:pub/hash/ [FTPSO] chalmers.se:pub/des/des.1.0.tar.Z [FTPUF] ftp.uu.net:usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume28/ufc-crypt/ [FTPWP] garbo.uwasa.fi:pc/util/wppass2.zip * RFCs (available from [FTPRF]) 1424 Kaliski, B. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part IV: Key Certification and Related Services. 1993 February; 9 p. (Format: TXT=17538 bytes) 1423 Balenson, D. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part III: Algorithms, Modes, and Identifiers. 1993 February; 14 p. (Format: TXT=33278 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1115) 1422 Kent, S. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part II: Certificate-Based Key Management. 1993 February; 32 p. (Format: TXT=86086 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1114) 1421 Linn, J. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part I: Message Encryption and Authentication Procedures. 1993 February; 42 p. (Format: TXT=103895 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1113) * Related newsgroups There are other newsgroups which a sci.crypt reader might want also to read. Some have their own FAQ as well. alt.comp.compression discussion of compression algorithms and code alt.security general security discussions alt.security.index index to alt.security alt.security.pgp discussion of PGP alt.security.ripem discussion of RIPEM alt.society.civil-liberty general civil liberties, including privacy comp.org.eff.news News reports from EFF comp.org.eff.talk discussion of EFF related issues comp.patents discussion of S/W patents, including RSA comp.risks some mention of crypto and wiretapping comp.society.privacy general privacy issues comp.security.announce announcements of security holes misc.legal.computing sci.math general math discussion
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In article AJv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.143224.23273@alleg.edu> meyerj (Jon Meyer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr5.073813.5246@nwnexus.WA.COM> pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter >>D. Hampe) writes: >>> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes: >>> >>> >pps: Why is there Still NO CALL to end Clinton's Illegal >>> >war in Somalia????? >>> >>> Hold on there tex - it's not his war. Everybody knows that >>> its Part of the ReaganBushLegacy. > ^^^^^^? >> >>Yeah, sure. They created the starvation there. They put the warlords >>there. Yep. Sure. Been brainwashed by the media, haven't you? > >He probably is. By the way: what has Reagan to do with this any way? I >bet most people had never even heard of Somalia, during the Reagan >administration! Ok boys and girls, "What was the 'Ogadan War'????" The Money Raised in Band-Aid covered How Much of the Cost of Which Soviet Client State to replace what catagory of weapon system lost in the aforementioned war? Why was the Joke: "We arm the World." Really Not that funny? Gonzo Station is the designation for WHICH USN Op Area? and the primary threat targets in the Area Were:..... ciao drieux --- "All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy! All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!" -Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings
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Mark Monninger (markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com) wrote: : While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently : when I bought a new truck. : I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we : agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax : and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. : When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could : get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he : started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had : miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed : another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was : their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then A similar thing happend to me a year ago. I bought a used Ford Bronco (which has since been stolen... :( ) and few weeks after I paid and took delivery, they sent a letter telling me they goofed and miscalculated the license renewal by $300 and that I need to send in a check to "avoid further delay" in the processing of my registration. The thing is, I had already received the pink slip from the DMV, so I ignored it. I received another letter and then the phone calls started coming. First from the finance guy and then from the general manager, both hounding me for the extra money. They left me alone once I told them I already had the paperwork and pointed out the clause in the contract that stated that the final price was just that: FINAL. Afterall, they wouldn't budge if I had told them I wanted another $300 off after the deal had been signed, right? I told them not to call again and that I would not do business with them in the future. They didn't seem to have a problem with that. This, after all, was a used Ford at a Toyota dealership. I had a much better experience buying a new Pathfinder about a month ago. It certainly pays to buy a car on the last Sunday of the month. It was even raining too, so they had done very little business that weekend and were really willing to deal. I kept telling them I would think about it, and they kept dropping the price. Got a very good deal and so far have been very please with the service. ---John jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu
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After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have a couple of questions I hope you can answer: When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not? I am more used to the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read. The dip stick on my bike is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it. Do I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without screwing it down before reading? The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on the head cover. I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material. do you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute? My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb. Is there an easy, brighter replacement bulb available? Where should I look for one? As always, I very much appreciate your help. The weather in Philadelphia has finally turned WARM. This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders ALL waved. A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . . Chris -- ******************************************************************* Christopher G. Karras Internet: CGKarras@world.std.com
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In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: ># You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define >#what "objective values" are. > >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that >sound like a good deal? Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man?
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In article <66019@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. > >"Contradictory" is a property of language. If I correct this to > > > THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > No need to correct it, it stands as it is said. >I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to > > THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > >then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in >description are merely failures in description. > You miss the point entirely. Things defined by contradictory language do not exist. Though something existing might be meant, conclusions drawn from the description are wrong, unless there is the possibility to find the described, and draw conclusions from direct knowledge of the described then. Another possibility is to drop the contradictory part, but that implies that one can trust the concept as presented and that one has not got to doubt the source of it as well. >(I'm not an objectivist, remember.) > Neither am I. But either things are directly sensed (which includes some form of modelling, by the way) or they are used in modelling. Using something contradictive in modelling is not approved of. Wonder why? We remain with the question if something contradictory can be sensed as contradictory. An important point is that either one manages to resolve the contradictions or one is forced not to use or to refer to the contradictory part in drawing conclusions, or one will fall in the garbage in garbage out trap. Benedikt
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In article <C52EqG.6H2@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes: >nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: > >>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? >>Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what >>I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut. > > You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2 >seconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open >much like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn >at first but it is quite simple to open. > Nope. I'm pretty sure that this person knows how to take the ball out. I think that what they want to do is take the mouse apart. The old mouse had four screws on the bottom that you could unscrew to do this, while there's no obvious way to take the new one apart. --Tony quan@cs.stanford.edu
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
I have a Mac Plus with 4 megs of memory and a 20 megabyte hard drive for sale. The computer has a new power supply and has recently been overhauled. I also have an Imagewriter 1 printer available, though I do not have a cable for it. The hard drive has loaded on it goodies for word processing and other home and student uses. This system has been babied. Price is negotiable.
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
I am having trouble viewing GIF files on my system. Large sections don't show up. I have tried VPIC and PICEM - both do the same. I am running a Gateway 486/33C with a Speedstar Plus VGA card and an NEC Multisync 4Ds 16 inch monitor. Any suggestions? I don't know if Robert Woodward Department of Physiology, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO 65212 e-mail: c557652@mizzou1.missouri.edu
1comp.graphics
Are any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this July? -- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)
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that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-)
8rec.motorcycles
ez027993@chip.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanova Huckabay) said: >Baseball games take about 2:51 in the NL, and just a shade under 3 hours >in the AL. That's just too damn long. I don't like to PLAY in 3 hour >games, much less WATCH a game for that long. My butt falls asleep, and >if I'm watching on TV, I'll channel surf between pitches, catching >colorized versions of Mr. Ed, Leave it to Beaver, and "Those Wacky >Nieporents" on Nick at Nite. But, Gary, for certain sofa tubers like myself, this is an advantage. I can watch the Pirates on KBL, the Mets on WWOR, the Braves on TBS, and the mediots on ESPN at the same time, without missing anything. (If something impressive happens, I'll catch the replay :-) ). So, I see (essentially) 4 games in 3 hours, instead of 1 game in 2 hours. What a deal! (Insert smileys as desired...) -- David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning | And in Denver they call you a slugger? "The Big Catullus" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!?
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not Logitech had Windows TWAIN drivers for the Scanman. If so, are the drivers on the net somewhere? My Scanman is the model one down from the Scanman 256. Thanks in advance. Ross Barclay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ross Barclay -- RBarclay@TrentU.Ca Peterborough, Ontario
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
In article <1993Apr27.023914.9453@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: >jake@bony1.bony.com writes: >> In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: >> >waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: >> > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many >> >others suffered physically. > Do you have a problem with the language? I said >everyone suffered emotionally because they sympathyzed with the >victims of Holocaust. I wasn't implying that anyone suffered >more than the actual victims. Quite a few people couldn't have cared less about what happened to the Jews of Europe. If they had cared, they would have done something. >What is wrong with you guys? Regardless of what one >says you keep hearing what you want to hear. Maybe its because many of us, who have been on usenet for several years remember tripe like this being posted: ------------- |>For all those interested, I would like to inform all that Binyamin Netanyahu |>(leader of the Israeli Likud party) will be interviewed on CNN tonight on |>Larry King Live. | |didn't this guy go crying on the "zionist" tv confessing |that he committed adultary, and was cheating on his wife.. | |a typical jew leader, huh? This was posted fairly recently. There has been much more racist stuff in the past. Why are we expected to listen to it and remain "calm?" I don't think that listening to racist or anti-semetic slurs is an incitement to calm debate. Perhaps you don't mean to be coming off as highly offensive. However, the way you have posted seems to be typical of those who have an irrational dislike for Israel and Jews. Perhaps if you took a close look at what you've posted thought a bit about the combatative tone you've used, you would see why people are reacting the way they are. Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu "If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
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> If my life depended on it, I'd say that it's a scope that > uses long-persistance phosphor to keep the successive > taces on the screen for some unit of time - "store" them. > Do I get to live? We'll let you live, but just this once.... There's more to a real "storage" scope than just a long-persistence phosphor. Actually, the phosphor ISN'T usually anything special at all; what makes a storage tube work is a screen placed just *behind* the phosphor, which becomes charged as the electron beam intially "writes" the trace. With the trace now written to the screen, a separate low-level "flood" electron gun keeps the image lit by exciting those areas of phosphor which are next to the "written" areas on the storage screen. There are some problems with this - the resolution is limited compared to a non-storage tube, and the stored trace tends to "bloom" with time. Of course, this is pretty much obsolete technology, done in by the current digital scopes which use raster-scan displays and keep everything in a frame-buffer memory anyways. > / Filip "I'll buy a vowel" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail "fmgst+@pitt.edu" \ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ah, yes - from the same people who brought you that amazing new reading program that's sweeping Eastern Europe: "Hooked on Consonants!" :-) Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.
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>> Does that mean they have to pay his salary? Didn't they wait >> for him to clear waivers? If not, why not? >> Davis will be paid by three clubs this year, I think the Phils are responsbible for about $600,000 or so. They didn't wait for him to clear waivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him. A gamble? Yes. >> Oh, it will? As a Royals fan, I am skeptical. They say he pitched well >> in winter ball. He also pitched well at Omaha while with KC. He just >> didn't pitch well (or even acceptably) when in the majors. (I don't have >> his Atlanta stats, but he must not have impressed them very much either.) > >What about the year when he got 40+ saves in San Diego, did he pitch well >then? Ok, I know he was awful the next year when he went to KC but still... > Won the CY Young, too, for that year. --
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The 68070 _does_ exist. It's number was licensed to Philips to make their own variant. This chip includes extra featurfes such as more I/O ports, I2C bus... making it more microcontroller like. Because of the confusion with numbering (!), Philips other products in the [range with the 68??? core have been given differend numbers like PCF... or PCD7.. or something.
1comp.graphics
In article <C5n2xM.vsD@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis, margoli@watson.ibm.com writes: >In <17858.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony >Landreneau) writes: >> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away. > >True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of >her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel. If she doesn't welcome the excruciating pain of labor, the selfish bitch deserves to die in childbirth. She was probably lying about the rape anyway. Charlie
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I'm writing a mail management system using Word for Windows 2.0 as a front end. The user dials up a remote system and downloads a batch of mail as "foo.txt ." I've set up an AutoExec macro in Winword to load "foo.txt" OK, but subsequent invocations of the macro will of course pose file name contention problems. What I'd really like to do is to create an AutoExit macro in Winword that would move "foo.txt" to a specified directory, rename it using the current date and time, and delete the original "foo.txt ." In other words, "foo.txt" gets renamed as "5012300", say, on May 1 at 23:00- the user gets a time-indexed backup of his mail files and "foo.txt" is freed up for the next packet of mail, since my AutoExec macro points to it. My main question is this: How may one rename a file from within a WordBasic macro to include a time/date variable in the new filename? Thanks- ======================================================================= "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking a beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out of your nose." -- Jack Handey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Erich W. Lantz | ewl@world.std.com | Timberville, VA | DoD #0815 =======================================================================
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franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes: >>-Valentine >>(No, I'm not going to be cordial. Roger Maynard is a complete and >>total dickhead. Send me e-mail if you insist on details.) > >In fact, he's a complete and total dickhead on at least 2 newsgroups >(this one and rec.sport.hockey). Since hockey season is almost over, >he's back to being a dickhead in r.s.bb. I was in fact going to suggest that Roger take his way of discussion over to r.s.football.pro. There this kind of hormone-only reasoning is the standard. Being he canadian, and hockey what it is, I would have suggested that r.s.h would work too. It is important in a thread that everyone involved use the same body part to produce a post (brain being the organ of choice here). G. Bonvicini bonvicin@cernvm.cern.ch
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noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes: >>Here's a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group, but. . >> >>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms? >>Similar as women's? I have a yeast infection and my husband (who is a >>natural paranoid on a good day) is sure he's gonna catch it and keeps >>asking me what it's like. I'm not sure what his symptoms would be. . >The answer is yes and no. I'm sure others on sci.med can expand on this. Recently someone posted an account of this. Unfortunately it was posted to alt.tasteless so the gross details were emphasized instead of th e actual scientific facts.
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I'm planning on buying a joystick (first time since I sold my Amiga five years ago :) for a PC. I have no idea what kind of stick I should buy. Many people have recommended variety of Gravis'es models. Are they any good/the best? -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com *
3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: |Joe Moore writes: | | > Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at | > Lourdes. She referred to herself as the Immaculate Conception. | > Since a nine year old would have no way of knowing about the | > doctrine, the apparition was deemed to be true and it sealed | > the case for the doctrine. |Bernadette was 14 years old when she had her visions, in 1858, |four years after the dogma had been officially proclaimed by the |Pope. | | Yours, | James Kiefer I forgot exactly what her age was but I remember clearly that she was born in a family of poverty and she did not have any education, whatsoever, at the age of the apparitions. She suffered from asthma at that age and she and her family were living in a prison cell of some sort. She had to ask the 'Lady' several times in her apparitions about what her name was since her confessor priest asked her to do so. For several instances, the priest did not get an answer since Bernadette did not receive any. One time, after several apparitions passed, The Lady finally said, "I am the Immaculate Conception". So, Bernadette, was so happy and repeated these words over and over in her mind so as not to forget it before she told the priest who was asking. So, when she told the priest, the priest was shocked and asked Bernadette, "Do you know what you are talking about?". Bernadette did not know what exactly it meant but she was just too happy to have the answer for the priest. The priest continued with, "How did you remember this if you do not know?". Bernadette answered honestly that she had to repeat it over and over in her mind while on her way to the priest... The priest knew about the dogma being four years old then. But Bernadette did not know and yet she had the answer which the priest finally observed and took as proof of an authentic personal revelation of Our Lady to Bernadette. (Note: This Lady of Lourdes shrine has a spring of water which our lady requested Bernadette to dig up herself with her bare hands in front of pilgrims. At the start little water flowed but after several years there is more water flowing.) -Marida "...spreading God's words through actions..." -Mother Teresa
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In article <mssC5xB3I.2CG@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.175131.7396@pts.mot.com> ep502dn@pts.mot.com writes: >>In article 7G4@netcom.com, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >>>During spring training I made a similarly innoncent-looking comment >>>about clutch hitting on this bb and the flames were flying. "no such >>>thing as clutch hitting" they (the SDCN's) all screamed. I assumed >>>they also meant there was no such thing as any kind of clutch performance, >>>given their comments. I'm still licking the wounds, but I do have >>>a rebuttal planned. :) (gotta do my homework, as they say) >> [some deletions] >> Rather they showed, quite convincingly, that >> past clutch performance has never been able to predict FUTURE >> clutch performance. > >I'm sure *you* are convinced, Dave. Apparently so is Tony Perez. >I, however, am not. > > >I believe at the time of the Sabo plate appearance that Juan Samuel >was on the bench available for pinch-hit duty. Over the past four >seasons: > > Non-Clutch Clutch > AB H BA AB H BA > >Sabo 1539 452 .294 259 59 .228 >Samuel 1564 383 .245 278 83 .299 > >I do *not* claim that this is a complete statistical analysis that >proves the existence of clutch hitting, or compelling testimony that >Samuel would have gotten a base hit. I'm sure there is something wrong >with the sample size, or that the basic assumption that clutch >performance is random invalidates any conclusions from this limited >application. Or something or other. I don't pretend to understand >statistical analysis. > Well, we agree on the last part.:-) One of the basic things you need to have in a statistic to be able to predict a player's performance on it in the future is for there to be a correlation from year to year. A player's batting average is correlated fairly well from year to year. A player's ability to walk or infielder's Defensive Average are correlated better. That is to say, given their past performance in those statistics we can have a pretty good handle on how they'll do next year. Put in some simple information about aging and you can do even better. One of the basic problems with something like "clutch" batting average - overall batting average is that the correlation from year to year is almost zero. Adding to the sample size doesn't seem to help much. As a counterexample to what you showed, consider the following two players from 1984-1987: Non-Clutch Clutch AB H BA AB H BA Maldonado 1060 260 .245 254 78 .307 Lemon 1643 457 .278 256 57 .223 If you had had these two players in 1988, by your logic, in those "clutch" situations, you'd bat Maldonado for Lemon in a blink of an eye. Well, in 1988, Maldonado hit .267 in "non-clutch" and .190 in "clutch", while Lemon hit .254 in "non-clutch" and .313 in "clutch". Before you accuse me of completely cooking the data, there were 96 players who had 25+ "clutch" at bats every year from 1984-1988 (according to Elias). As a simple measure of clutchness, let's just look at clutch BA-non-clutch BA. If you use '84-'87 to predict '88 for those 96 players, you'd find that 27 of the 96 were below league average in that measure both in '84-87 and in '88, 26 were above league average in both periods and the other 43 were above in one and below in the other. If you were just flipping coins, you'd expect to get 24 above/below in both and 48 that switched. The difference between the observed results and the coin flip experiment is not statisically significant. BTW, correlating players' _overall_ batting average from '84-'87 with '88 gives a correlation coefficient of 0.59, which is significant at something better than the 99.9% confidence level. Correlating their (clutch-non-clutch BA) for the same period gives a correlation of 0.088, significant at no level of any interest. > > >> Everyone would agree (I hope) that a grand >> slam in the bottom of the ninth when your team is down by three >> is a VERY clutch hit. There is just no way to predict who is more >> likely to get the clutch hit based on past performance (hitting in >> "clutch" situations). >> > >If you say so, Dave. No way. > Actually, it's technically incorrect to say that we can't predict future clutch performance. It's more correct to say that we can't predict future clutch performance with any skill. Harold -- Harold Brooks hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK) "I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job." -P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93
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In article <1r1otuINNdb2@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short >time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not >available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize >it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. I am an idiot. The plaintext that's relevant is the session key. If you know that, you probably don't need a roomful of chips, do you? If you were going to brute force something interesting, that'd be the message stream, which is sort of approximately known by, say, a bug in my office. Then your roomful of chips could get the session key. Which I change every morning. Really, it's just a whole lot easier for the illicit wiretappers to stick a bug in your phone. Andrew Molitor
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In article <D2150026.u982nu@bostrauma.trauma.com> ennui@trauma.com (N is for Neville who died of ennui) writes: >Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800 >using interanl video? Is this even possible? I suspect that it isn't although >I'd certainly like to know for sure. Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is a correctly wired video cable. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu
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We just received an AppleOne Color Scanner for our lab. However, I am having trouble getting reasonable scanned output when printing a scanned photo on a LaserWriter IIg. I have tried scanning at a higher resolution and the display on the screen appears very nice. However, the printed version is coming out ugly! Is this due to the resolution capabilities of the printer? Or are there tricks involved to get better quality? Or should we be getting something (like PhotoShop) to "pretty up" the image? I will appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance, -Kris --------------------------------------- | Kris Schroeder | schroede@cps.msu.edu | AI/KBS Lab, Michigan State University
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bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes: > If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the > above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been > allowed to happen... The willingness of the majority of the people to give up their freedom in exchange for a sense of safety is hardly limited to the USA, and is an endemic problem in any human society of any appreciable size. The structure of the US government does try to combat this tendency to some extent, but fighting entropy is always a losing battle. Most people would rather have comfort than freedom. The paradox is that you can't really have the former, in the long term, unless you have the latter. One of the reasons that I probably come across to some people as a weird cross between a libertarian and an "establishment tool" is that I end up taking an utterly pragmatic view of government. I don't get up in arms when the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. As a result, I protect my own interests rather than expecting the government to be "fair". I will use strong cryptography when I think it is needed, whether or not it is legal at the time. Same thing with anything else the government would rather not see in private hands--that's their problem. What's important to me is using the right tool for the job. If it's legal, so much the better. If it is not, but does not violate my (very strong) sense of personal ethics, I will use it anyway as long I think it is worth it. Expecting the government to actually protect the interests of its citizens, except by accident, is utter folly. Even Jefferson, one of the major architects of the American system of government, figured that in a couple hundred years it would become so corrupt and self-serving that it would be time dismantle it and try again, by revolution if necessary. I agree, and while I don't go around trying to spark one, I'll certainly participate if it happens when I'm around. There is a reason I am such a strong supporter of individual rights while being so cynical about politics. I've already written off politics. And yes, this may get me in trouble some day. If so, so be it. I drive faster than 55 MPH, too. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation
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QUESTION: what's your experience with car wash wax? This is the liquid type of wax in bottles that you pour it in water, sponge it on you car, hose it off, and dry it with cloth. Many people have used it. It is very easy to work with and gives seeminly the same visual results as that of paste type of wax. But, does it last long? Does it have any negative effects to car paint? Can you forward your reply directly to my email id? Thanks. James
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In article <sandvik-200493235610@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca |> (Malcolm Lee) wrote: |> > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very |> > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch |> > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac |> > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, |> > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT |> > Jesus Christ as he claimed. |> |> The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never |> claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that |> he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. |> |> He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, |> and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 |> children died, and no God saved them. |> |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven, a far better place. How do I know? By faith. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :)
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In article <1993Apr5.121202.100648@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes: > I wonder if Ojeda will sue anyone - because his career may be over. Not due to the accident -- he just got a (really) bad haircut. Now, if you meant due to his floating fastball, well... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University) Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
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[An article from comp.org.eff.news, EFFector Online 5.06 - Carl] April 16, 1993 INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to robust encryption as well as law enforcement issues posed by new technology. However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the National Security Agency. The so-called "Clipper Chip" is an 80-bit, split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be classified, but they chips will be available to any manufacturer for incorporation into their communications products. This proposal raises a number of serious concerns . First, the Administration appears to be adopting a solution before conducting an inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper chip may not be the most secure product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes. Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards. Second, an algorithm can not be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet the Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is open to independent, expert scrutiny. Third, while the use of the split-key, dual-escrowed system may prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive individual's fifth amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy and security. However, the "Clipper chip" solution ought to be considered as part of the inquiry, not be adopted before the discussion even begins. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: ESCROW The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom hold 40 bits of each key. Upon presentation of a valid warrant, the two escrow agents would have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. Most likely the Attorney General will be asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration have suggested one non-law enforcement federal agency, perhaps the Federal Reserve, and one non-governmental organization. But, there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet. Key registration would be done by the manufacturer of the communications device. A key is tied to the device, not to the person using it. CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS The Administration claims that there are no back door means by which the government or others could break the code without securing keys from the escrow agents and that the President will be told there are no back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this, Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be made public. GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al Gore, and maybe even the President. FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Jerry Berman, Executive Director Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
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In article <May.12.04.28.31.1993.9972@athos.rutgers.edu> autry@magellan.stlouis.sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes: >I have enrolled in "The History of Christianity" at a college here in >St. Louis. The teacher of the class is what I consider to be >closed-minded and bigotted on the subject of what the definition of >Christianity is. His definition is tied directly to that of the >Trinity and the Catholic church's definition of it and belief in >Jesus Christ is not sufficient to call one's self a Christian. > What you call "the Trinity and the Catholic church's definition of it" is precisely the result of the first Christians getting together and trying to find an acceptable answer to your question "what is a Christian?". I can't see what you are objecting to: someone is saying what historians of all beliefs would agree on, and you are calling him a closed-minded bigot? You really ought to say what you mean by "belief in Jesus Christ". It is not a wording that is sufficient to describe a Christian. Muslims believe in Jesus Christ although they believe he was a prophet and not the incarnated Son of God. But followers of Eastern religions might be quite happy to say that Jesus was the incarnation of God - along with large numbers of other historical and mythical figures. So perhaps you ought to rephrase your question and say precisely what it is in the traditional definitions of what it is to be a Christian, as handed down by the Universal Church, you object to but regard as unnecessary for being a Christian. Matthew Huntbach
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>>In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes: >>> Hello again, >>> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. >>> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 I didn't catch your posting one year ago, but I presume you like to leave out an extra a-latch ? (I presume you allready know there is a '573 but that couldnt be the question, could it ? ;-) During my student-trainee project, I discouvered a nice device, it's a PSD301 from Waferscale Integration. In one single (44 PLCC I think it was) package it contained: ROM, RAM, I/O lines and a programmable addressdecoder... As far as I can recall, it can be hooked directly with a MCS-51 series uP ... Neat huh ? But it needs programming before assembly, so it wasn't suitable for my project. Perhaps usefull for you (future) plans ? Greetings!
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In article <C5r3n6.FG4@news.Hawaii.Edu>, sharynk@Hawaii.Edu () writes... >I recently heard of a mental disorder called Obsessive Compulsive >Disorder. What is it? What causes it? Could it be caused by a >nervous breakdown? > Obesssive Compulsive Disorder (not to be confused with Obsessive Compulsive _Personality_ Disorder !) is an acute anxiety disorder characterized by either obsessions (persistent intrusive thoughts that cause anxiety when not entertained), or compulsions (repetitive, ritualistic actions that similarly cause intense psychological discomfort when resisted). OCD is often associated with certain forms of depression. Examples of obsessive thoughts are repeated impulses to kill a loved one (though not accompanied by anger), or a religious person having recurrent blasphemous thoughts. Generally, the individual attempts to ignore or suppress the intrusive thoughts by engaging in other activities. The individual realizes that the thoughts originate from the own mind, rather than being from an external source. Examples of compulsive actions are constant repetitive hand washing, or other activity that is not realistically related to alleviating a source of the anxiety. In OCD, the obsessions or compulsions are highly distressing to the individual, take an hour or more per day, and significantly impair their daily routine and social relationships. Treatments include psychotherapy, behavioral methods, and sometimes certain anti-depressants which have recently been found effective in alleviating obsessions and compulsions. The standard diagnostic code for OCD, if you want to look it up in the DSM-III manual of psychiatric diagnosis is 300.30 . kind regards, todd +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Todd I. Stark stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation (215) 354-1273 | | Philadelphia, Pa. USA | | "(A word is) the skin of a living thought" Olliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Hello fellow humans, and other net creatures... If you're at all interested in this merchandise, please e-mail me: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu I'm compacting my system and moving to a single monitor system, so I have two monitors and cards for sale. Nothing at all is wrong with these pieces, I'm just wanting to conserve desk space, and get all of my info from one screen. I'd prefer to sell to people near Austin and surrounding areas (within driving distance - like an hour away perhaps), but I CAN ship to you if you don't live near here. Only problem is that I didn't keep the original boxes for the monitors, but I'm confident that my few months of full-time service in the shipping room will enable me to safely package the monitors and flip it in your direction. Details: Mirror Full Page Display (monochrome) w/nubus card: --------------------------------------------------- **SOLD** Sony 1304 14" color monitor: ---------------------------- What's to say? It got top ratings in last year's MacUser report. It's a SONY, Trinitron, arguably the best (but I'd rather not argue that point). It's a great monitor, in great shape, but I'm going to a bigger screen, and although I'd like to keep it, finances don't justify it. Still selling for $599 at MacLand (where I bought it originally - not including shipping), will sell for **$400** [was $475 orig. asking price] (plus shipping). Again, make an offer if that sounds unreasonable. RasterOps 24si (24-bit accelerated, hardware zoom/pan, 4 meg RAM): ------------------------------------------------------------------ Renamed the 24sx a few months after I bought it, this board is for 13" monitors, providing **accelerated 24-bit**, hardware zoom/pan, NTSC mode (you can plug it into something like the RasterOps Video Expander and output NTSC), and 4 RAM slots that use 1 meg or 4 meg SIMMS for GWorld RAM, or a RAM disk. Software included for such functions. 4 meg of RAM included (1 meg SIMMS). Selling for $605 at Bottom Line (without the RAM - add $100), I'm asking **$425** [was $525 orig. asking price](shipping included this time, it's just a card). Original box and packaging. I'd actually prefer to sell the Sony monitor and this card together, so if you want both, drop me e-mail and make a "bundled offer" for these items. If you check the May 93 (or was it Feb 93) Macworld mag, you'll find that the 24sx (or 24si - same thing) board did extremely well in the tests for 13-14" 640 x 480 24-bit boards. Also supports up to 1120 (or so) x 512 in 24-bit, so you can fit two pages width-wise via the scrolling desktop thang. It's a great board, but I'm going to a 19" monitor, and it can't help me there. ------------ Cheers. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer?
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mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes: >Speaking of educational systems, I recently had a colleague >tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so >physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger >child. This, she went on to say, kicks the pituitary gland into >action and causes puberty. Nonsense! I've taught fifth, sixth, seventh . There are a few early puberty types in fifth and it has nothing to do with early sexual experience. -Jackie-
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My mother has been advised to have a bone scan performed? What is this procedure for, and is it painful? She's been having leg and back pain which her GP said was sciatica. Her oncologist listened to her symptoms and said that it didn't sound like sciatica, and she should get a bone scan. - Cindy W.
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In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes... >In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>his so called stimulus package. >>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>immunizations for poor kids. >> >>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide. Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations cost $$$. Sorry to shatter your stereotypes. > > In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health > care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give > a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services > delivered to their doorsteps. > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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|> <Waving at fellow bikers stuff deleted> |> |> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/ |> give a wave to a fellow biker. What astounded me on moving to the left coast from the right coast, was to actually get waves from HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time as a truely memorable event. It might have something to do with the... No. I refuse to bring that up again. Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves first. --- Curt Howland "Ace" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
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In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), the domino theory wasn't disproved at all.
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In article <1r2dqq$5of@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >:cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >:>mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: >:>> >:Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >:Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. > >Hey, Einstein, ever tried to use an electric stove or microwave WITHOUT >ELECTRICITY? It's been shut off for weeks now, courtesy of your local FBI >assault squad. Calm down. It is not as if I tweaked the fount of the flame wars or anything (guns, anything to do with them). -- <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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In article <1993Apr26.222659.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >I vote for a later on sci.space.medicine or similar newsgroup fro the >discussion of long term missions into space and there affects on humans and >such.. Why bother with a new newsgroup? If you want to discuss the subject, *start discussing it*. If there is enough traffic to annoy the rest of us, we will let you know... and *then* it will be time for a new newsgroup. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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Joe Kellett (jkellett@netcom.com) wrote: [bits deleted] > I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style "values-free" methods, that > teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make "choices", > actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while > back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested. [...] > The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula > were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens. I assume that it is > reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy > rate. I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article! On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy, contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy is false. The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of "non-liberal" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.) -- Bruce Stephens bruce@liverpool.ac.uk
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