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In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would
>be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ...
>
>Caliber : Not greater than 32
>Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel
>Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers
> Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating
> an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes.
>Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine.
>
>Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful
>allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be
>reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves
>and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the
>same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality
>of hits. The chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge
>individuals all drunk and stoned on PCP and crystal meth and with a
>bad attitude and all armed and willing to die ... well, it's about
>zero - far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car.
When will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isn't
primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties
in the wild? Granted, it is a big part, but we also need military style
weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door.
When ten agents come to my door, it would be nice to be able to shoot
all of them for 'not upholding the constitution to the best of their
ability'. It will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you
listed above.
Please read the Federalist papers for all clarification on RKBA. These
documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have
had.
--
Matt Porter
mporter@cis.ohio-state.edu
mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
It is my intent to cut the government off at the knees with the pen
(and keyboard). True, the lawyer and the lawbook only go so far, but
I agree that it is best to use those resources to the maximum extent
before seriously contemplating anything more... disruptive.
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi all,
Has anyone heard of this board? It's a
486DX2-33/66.
If so, does anyone know if it will work
with BSD or Linux?
A local PC vendor has this. He says it's a U.S.
brand.
Please e-mail if possible.
Thanks,
David Munoz
munoz@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I was a bit surprised that the manual for my Fluke-87 multimeter
suggests applying WD-40 to the test lead sockets, especially the
current range socket. The intention is to prevent the
test-lead-is-in-the-wrong-scocket beeper from going off when there
is no test lead in that socket.
The manual is a bit vague, but I think I'd apply the WD-40 to a
swab, then wipe the socket instead of spaying the stuff directly
from the can.
Speaking of said meters: I compared the 87 against the 8060A that
I've had on my bench for almost 11 years. It has been five years
since the 8060A has been calibrated. On the DC scale, they agree
within .01 mV. AC scale is within about .1 mV. The 87 would be
just about the perfect portable meter if it had the dB scale; I
didn't feel it was worth the extra $100 for a second 8060 since I
don't use dB all that much in my work.
--
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
| 12sci.electronics |
In article farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) writes:
>I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows
>logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of
>the 3.1 logo.
>I thought the files that controlled this were
>\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE
>\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO
>I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what
>the correct files are?
For a VGA card these are the correct files but you can't just copy them
back and expect it to work. You have to create a new WIN.COM file. Try
the command (you will have to worry about what directories each file is in
since I don't know your setup):
COPY /B WIN.CNF+VGALOGO.LGO+VGALOGO.RLE WIN.COM
(I grabbed this from _Supercharging Windows_ by Judd Robbins--great book)
This is also how you can put your own logo into the Windows startup screen.
An RLE file is just a specially compressed BMP file.
Hope this helps
--
Brad Smalling :: Jr.EE :: GA Tech :: Atlanta, GA :: gt2617c@prism.gatech.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of
a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly,
but he's more-or-less harmless. On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of
good taste:
>According to Don, the entire article wasn't perfect, and there
>were some 'shots' by Frank Musil and Alpo Suhonen.
>Don noted that Musil wasn't much of a player (didn't
>score many goals last year). He also made fun of their names...
>One guy has a name like dog food, the other like a laxitive
>(meta-Musil).
This is the best he can do?!! Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism
here. The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with
this nonsense...making fun of names?? It's bad enough that he makes asinine
blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun
of their names too? He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week
when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video
until he dropped the gloves...
>On the subject of realignment, Don said that he liked the
>new division names.
Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite
some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division
names. HELLO??!! McFly?? The names have been around for a couple of decades
or so....he also invited the audience to "Name the teams in the Wales...quick,
quick!" Followed by "Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."
Sorry Don. Wrong on this one.
>Ron (to Don): "I don't know wy I like you on your show
>for 30 minutes... I can hardly stand you on this show for 5."
This was absolutely hilarious.
Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly
good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in
the NBA case. Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity,
has he?
Don's question to Gretzky:
>Wouldn't it be better
>for you to change your friends so that they like the game, than for
>us to change the game for your friends?"
Now this I liked.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
> On the other hand, I wonder if,
> with a face full of "massive amounts of CS," *I* would be able to escape
> a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts.
What ever happened to the 'Adobe Fortress' I kept hearing about? I
thought this was a 'Cult Stronghold'! If the kgbatf knew it was a
tinderbox, why didn't they just have all the talking heads line up
and start huffin' and puffin?
Random
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In <19APR199320262420@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
(Ron Baalke) writes:
>Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager
>
> MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT
> April 16, 1993
>
>
>2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from
>the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment.
Sorry I think I missed a bit of info on this Transition Experiment. What is it?
>4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and
>interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes.
Will this mean a loss of data or will the Magellan transmit data later on ??
BTW: When will NASA cut off the connection with Magellan?? Not that I am
looking forward to that day but I am just curious. I believe it had something
to do with the funding from the goverment (or rather _NO_ funding :-)
ok that's it for now. See you guys around,
Jurriaan.
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| 14sci.space |
In article <1smllm$m06@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <1993May10.211316.28455@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) writes:
>>In article <1smbma$8mr@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>I'm not sure about this but I hope the answer is that you can't apply under
>>the law of return. By conversion, you've elected not to be a part of the
>>Jewish nation.
>Which was my point. By converting to another religion I do not loose
>my cultural identity, I just loose my religious identification.
I disagree. By converting to another religion, you certainly
do change your cultural identity, and lose that part of you which was
Jewish.
>>At the moment you converted, you officially anounced to the world
>>that *you* do not consider yourself to be part of the Jewish Nation.
>>So, why should the Jewish Nation consider you to be a member?
>To be a part or not of the Jeish Nation is defined by my culture and not
>by my religion. Actually, if I am an atheist, which is in fact like
>converting into a non-Jewish in terms of religion, I am still considered as
>part of the Jewish Nation.
No, there is a serious cultural and religios difference
between renouncing the jewish god and accepting a new one. "Thou
shall have no other gods before me." Conversion is a violation of
this, atheism you might be able to wiggle around with.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr27.231613.27558@news.nd.edu> rmalayte@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (ryan malayter) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if a digitized version of the GeoSphere image is
>available via ftp? For those of you who don't know, it is a composite
>photograph of the entire earth, with cloudcover removed. I just think
>it's really cool. It was created with government funds and sattelites
>as a research project, so I would assume it's in the public domain.
>
>Thanks for any info,
> Ryan
>
I have a copy of 'The Earth-From Space' on my wall that I purchased
from Space Shots, Inc. (LA, CA (800) 272-2779). As printed on the
poster, the image was created by Tom Van Sant and the GeoSphere Project.
The image IS copyrighted, so I doubt that you'll find it legally in
the public domain. Part of the proceeds from the sale of the image go to the
GeoSphere Project (an environmental education thing), and the cost is
nominal, so crack a 20 and buy one! Also, I don't think it's always
safe to assume that just because the government 'funded' a project, any
products will be provided for free. Many government agencies (NASA, NOAA)
and some private groups (National Geographic) provided assistance to the
GeoSphere Project. This collaboration seems to be mostly oriented to
educating the public, rather than pure research.
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DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliation with any of the above mentioned groups.
This is just my opinion, not a flame or advertisement. Where am I?
Who turned off the lights? What's that funny noise? I feel strange...
AAAUUUGGGGHHHHH.
| 1comp.graphics |
This is a reposting 'cause two of the bags are out the door, and I took
dimensions of #1 and #5 (important to camcorder users).
1. Large padded Cordura bag (maker unknown) orange exterior, black
straps and interior. Five outside pockets plus lid compartment.
Lid overlaps. Internal dividers can be repositioned. Held
my whole 2-1/4 Bronica system, Metz flash, etc. Main chamber
(not incl lid and pockets) is 18.5"W x 9"H x 7" D. Very
strong bag, good for medium format users or videographers.
2. Small "Nikon" shoulder bag. SORRY. SOLD & SHIPPED.
3. Small "Nikon" belt pouch. Khaki like #2. Similar in design to
US Army ammo pouch - belt clips, etc. Holds flash or small
zoom (35-70) fixed lens, lens cleaner, etc. $5.
4. Domke belt pouch, black. SORRY. SOLD & SHIPPED.
5. Coast camera bag - tan with brown strap. Main and front pocket.
Can hold AF slr with small zoom plus flash, film, etc. 10.5"H
x 9.5 H x 4.5 D plus 10.5" x 6.5 x 1.5 front pouch. It
looks like Gore-Tex but I don't think it really is. $15.
TERMS: Payment in advance by money order/bank check, or cash. Buyer
pays shipping. #1 should go UPS. For the others, send me an adequate
self addressed mailing envelope (padded recommended) with enough postage.
Please contact me by email if interested.
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| 6misc.forsale |
I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0.
That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have
had to reformat their disks and start over. One had drive D compress and work
fine, only to compress C: to have the thing choke, spit out an unintelligable
warning, and then hang. All that was left on either drive was autoexec.bat
and config.sys. Calls to Microsoft only met with busy signals. After reformatting
the drive, I'm not sure if he had the guts to reinstall 6.0 or stay with a known
entity.
The other may have been a marginal drive, however, his upgrade failed,
he had to format a floppy disk at 6.0, format the drive, and then reinstall.
I make now claims since I was not driving at the time, however, be careful
and make sure you back important things up.
I am interested in any other people with similar or success stories.....
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>gt5311b@prism.gatech.EDU (BHATTACHARYA,ABHIJIT) writes:
>>I doubt if Koresh had let the BATF have a look inside his place as they
>>intended to do, "orchestrated character assassination, noise torture, and
>>a holocaust" would never have come to pass.
>
>Do you know what a "no-knock search with grenades" is?
Once again, Koresh closed the door on an agent with a search warrant,
and the door was then perforated by a rain of bullets from the
inside.
They shot first.
--
| The Koresh cult standoff is over ... may his victims Recquiescat in Pace |
| |
| (the above is a net.moment of silence) |
Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract
| 16talk.politics.guns |
DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare
DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...)
DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ?
DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at:
DH>800-458-0300 (general number)
DH>408-438-7897 (tech support)
DH>408-438-2665 (bbs)
Thanks very much for the info David !
Especially for their tech and BBS lines.
This should get me going...
Bye !
___
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* Origin: The Keep BBS (1:342/13)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <C5sI9G.Hx@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>
>The above conveniently ignores the murder of four BATF agents by the
>Branch Davidians in an unprovoked ambush.
Say WHAT? Surrounding the compound with armed men and throwing
grenades isn't a provocation?
>Any government that allows tinpot dictators to set up shop and declare
>a private state has drifted into anarchy. There are laws to control
>the ownership of guns and the BATF had good reason to beleive that
>they were being violated. They set out to obtain a legal warrant and
>attempted to serve it only to be met with gunfire when they rang
>the doorbell.
You're smoking something not legal in the US. They never rang the
doorbell. Not even the BATF has claimed that they have. This was a
no-knock search.
As to the good reason the BATF has-- the warrant and supporting
affadavit have not been made public.
--
Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
The Apollo astronauts also trained at (in) Meteor Crater in the Flagstaff
area (Arizona). There is now a museum with a space shop.
Caution: they ease you by 6$. Compared to a KSC visit it's not worth.
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Darmstadt, Germany | for my postings!
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| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr1.234031.4950@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
|> I'm going to be in Cleveland Thursday, April 15 to Sunday, April 18.
|> Does anybody know if the Tribe will be in town on those dates, and
|> if so, who're they playing and if tickets are available?
The tribe will be in town from April 16 to the 19th.
There are ALWAYS tickets available! (Though they are playing Toronto,
and many Toronto fans make the trip to Cleveland as it is easier to
get tickets in Cleveland than in Toronto. Either way, I seriously
doubt they will sell out until the end of the season.)
--
Doug Bank Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>In <1993Apr22.125054.17308@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>>Ever notice little kid wave more than other bikers?
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see). I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike. I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.
Don't forget little girls! My not-quite-2 year old daughter now
excitedly points and says "motorcycle" every time she sees one go
past. I've done my work. (Of course, it helps that one of her
books shows Sir Topham Hatt in a chaffeured side car rig...)
>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.
Can you think of a better way to convince the kid that "someday, I'll
ride one of those things"?
>Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what? Even three and four
>year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully
>any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-)
No, it's a genetic thing with little humans...
Just don't let them touch hot pipes.
--
Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep" Naperville, IL
__ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/ followed by the words "Daddy! Yay!"
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Some weeks ago, someone posted an article telling when and where
a hamfest and computerfest was going to be help in Dayton, OH.
Unfortunately, I lost the article and I was wondering if someone
could repost it.
I believe it was being held the 23,24,and 25 of this month at
the Dayton convention center but I'm not sure.
Any help and more details would be greatly appreciated.
george.d.hodge
domain@cbcat.att.com
| 12sci.electronics |
In rec.autos, dennis@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Dennis Schloeman) writes:
xSorry to repost this again so soon, but
xthe information from my earlier post was
xdeleted from our system.
>
xI am looking for information concerning
x"sprayed-on" bedliners for pickup trucks.
xA company here does it using polyurethene
xbut they've only been around for 9 months
xso there's not much of a track record here.
xIs the sprayed-on bedliner any good? How
xwell do they hold up over the years? Any
xinfo would be appreciated.
x
xThanks.
x
xDennis
Do you have a Ziebart dealer in your area? They've offered spray
on bed liners around here for several years. If you do, see what
kind of a warranty they have. ( Unfortunately, I don't know anyone
who has gotten one so I can't help you there.) Also ask if they
can give you a list of references.
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| 7rec.autos |
Looking for ORGANIZER program for Windows.
Currently have Lotus Organizer, not bad, but looking for better.
Should have a calender / scheduler.
Should have a to do list.
Nice additions : Address / Phone Book
Diary
Please, any suggestions? Shareware/Public/or Copyrighted...
Please EMAIL sthong@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
--
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Steven Hong
Email Address : sthong@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania
Engineering Class of 1996
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C5K6ny.AzJ@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:
|> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about
|> $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to
|> redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups
|> pertaining to Motif has been high.
???
I've heard about that Italian guy distributing Motif binaries for 386BSD,
but I haven't heard of anybody doing the same thing for Linux. ... and
I do follow the Linux news group pretty closely. So, have I missed something? I'd LOVE to get hold of Motif libs for Linux for $100!
Regards,
Joe Pannon
| 5comp.windows.x |
Rauno Haapaniemi (raunoh@otol.fi) wrote:
> Earlier today I read an ad for REAL-3D animation & ray-tracing software
> and it looked very convincing to me.
Yes, it looks like very good indeed.
> However, I don't own an Amiga and so I began to wonder, if there's a PC
> version of it.
Nope.
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= Mattias = matt-dah@dsv.su.se = I love it. =
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| 1comp.graphics |
I am looking for comments on Xtree (Pro ??) for Windows. I am
thinking of buying the product but I have not even seen it yet.
Thank you...
Shane Holland
holland@ug.cs.dal.ca
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Any rocky mountain spotted fever experts out there ?
The doctor thinks a friend might have this.
The question is, doesn't the tick have to bite you ?
You frequently find a tick crawling on you after a walk
in the woods around here, but you tend to notice it before
it bites you; pulling one out of your skin is something
you're not likely to forget.
Can you get the fever without it biting you ? Do they
sometimes bite you and then let go so you don't realize
you were bitten ? I know they will let go once they've had
their fill, but you certainly would notice this (arggh).
So how do you get the fever if you never pulled a tick
off yourself (as opposed to finding one merely crawling
on you) ?
John Eyles
jge@cs.unc.edu
| 13sci.med |
The subject does not describe the problem I am having very well. Please read
on...
I am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget,
displays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns. The
problem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems
including (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things):
- Core Dump
- BadPixmap X Error
- Widget not unmapped
Here is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem:
#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/PushB.h>
void bla()
{
XtAppContext app;
Display *dis = XOpenDisplay("");
int junk = 0;
Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,
NULL, NULL, 0);
Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
top,
XmNheight, 50,
XmNwidth, 50,
NULL);
XtRealizeWidget(top);
//Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents
for (int i=0;i<=10;i++)
{
XEvent event;
XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);
XtDispatchEvent(&event);
}
// WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE???
XtUnrealizeWidget(top);
XtDestroyWidget(top);
XtDestroyApplicationContext(app);
XCloseDisplay(dis);
// ???
}
main()
{
for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)
bla();
}
Note that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example,
after 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program.
With this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent)
the 5th call to bla():
X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC)
Resource id in failed request: 0xe0000d
Serial number of failed request: 71
Current serial number in output stream: 86
If I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the
seconds call.
Furthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I
get:
Warning: Initializing Resource Lists twice
Warning: Initializing Translation manager twice.
So finally, my question is this:
What needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates
an XtAppContext and widgets multiple times?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
PLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group.
Thanks very much.
-davewood
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In article <1ql667INN54a@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind.
|> >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such
|> >issues.
|> >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral
|> >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions.
|>
|> What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.
|> That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to
|> be immoral (in some cases).
That's the craziest thing I ever heard. Are you serious?
"it doesn't take much work to be moral?"
|> Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution.
Really? And that's why people discuss morality on a daily basis?
Because it's a kind of evolutionary hangover, like your little toe?
|> Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal
|> kingdom.
This must be some novel use of the phrase "based on" with which I
am not sufficiently familiar. What do you mean by "based on" and
what is the significance of it for your argument?
|>
|> >>So you are basically saying that you think a "moral" is an undefinable
|> >>term, and that "moral systems" don't exist? If we can't agree on a
|> >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them?
|> >
|> >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral
|> >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people.
|>
|> But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant
|> unless you can share them or discuss them...
Well, we can. What would you like to know about my particular moral
beliefs?
If you raise a topic I've never considered, I'll be quite happy to
invent a moral belief out of thin air.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
The following statement was released
on February 27,1992 by the Science &
Environmental Policy Project
As independent scientists researching atmosphere and climate problems, we are
concerned by the agenda for UNCED, the United Nations Conference on
Environment and Development, being developed by environmental and activists
groups and certain political leaders. This so called "Earth Summit" is
scheduled to convene in Brazil in June 1992 and aims to impose a system of
global envionmental regulations, including onerous taxes on energy fuels, on
the population of the United States and other industrialized nations.
Such policy initiatives derive from highly uncetain scientific theories. They
are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming
follows from the burning of fossill fuels and requires immediate action. We
do not agree.
A survey of U.S. Atmospheric scientists, conducted in the summer of 1991,
confirms that there is no consesensus about the cause of the slight warming
observed during the past century. A recently published research paper even
suggests sunspot variability (which is directly proportional to solar
activity), rather than a rise in greenhouse gases is responsible for the
global temperature increases and decreases recoded since about 1880.
Futhermore, the majority of scientific participants in the survey agreed that
the theoretical climate climate models used to predict a future warming
cannot be relied upon and are not validated by the existing climate record.
Yet all predictions are based on such theoretical models.
Finally, agriculturalits generally agree that any increase in carbon dioxide
levels from fossil fuels burning has beneficial effects on most crops and on
world food supply.
We are disturbed that activists, anxious to stop energy and economic growth,
are pushing ahead with drastic policies without taking notice of recent
changes in the underlying science. We fear that the rush to impose global
regulations will have catastrophic impacts on the world economy, on jobs,
standards of living, and health care, with the most severe consequences
falling on developing countries and the poor.
David B. Aubrey, PhD, Senior Scintist, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute.
Nathaniel B. Guttman, PhD, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic
Data Center. Hugh B. Ellsaesser, PhD, Meteorologist, Lawerence Livermore
National Laboratory. Richard Lindzen, PhD, Center for Meteorology and
Physical Meteorolgy, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Robert C.
Balling, PhD, Director, Laboratory of Climatology, Arizona State University.
Patrick Micheals, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Environmental Sciences,
Universityy of Virginia. Roger Pielke, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Science,
Colorado State University. Micheal Garstang, PhD, Professor of Meteorology,
University of Virginia. Sherwood P. Idso, PhD, Research Physicist, U.S. Water
Conservation Laboratory.
Lev S. Gandin PhD, Visiting Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric
Research. John A. McGinley, Chief, Forecast Research group, Forecast Systems
Laboratory, NOAA. H. Jean Thiebaux, PhD, Research Scientist, National
Meterological Center, National Weather Service, NOAA. Kenneth V. Beard, PhD,
Professor of Atmospheric Physics, University of Illinois. Paul W. Mielke, Jr.
PhD, Professor, Department of Statistics, Colorado State University. Thomas
Lockhart, Meteorological Standards Institute.
Peter F. Giddings, Meterologist, Weather Service Director. Hazen A. bedke,
Meteoroligist, Former Regional Director, National Weather Service.
Gabriel T. Csanady, PhD, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University. Roy
Leep, Executive Weather Director, Gillet Weather Data Services. Terrance J.
Clark, Meteorologist, U.S. Air Force. Neil L. Frank, PhD, Meteorologist,
National Weather service. Bruce A. Boe, PhD, Director, North Dakota
Atmospheric Resource Board. Andrew Detweiler, PhD, Assoc. Professor,
Institute of Atmospheric Sciences, South Dakota School of Mines And
Technology.
Robert M. Cunningham, Consulting Meteorologist, Fellow, American
Meteorological Society. Stephen R. Hanna, PhD, Sigma Research Corporation,
Elliot Abrams, Meteoroligist, Senior Vice President, AccuWeather, Inc.
William E. Reifsnyder, PhD, Consulting Meteorologist, professor Emeritus,
Forest Meteorology, Yale University. David W. Reylnolds, Research
meteorologist. Jerry A. Williams, Meteorologist, President, Ocean Routes,
Inc.
Lee W. Eddington, Meteorologist, Geophysics Division, Pacific Missile test
Center.Werner A Braum, PhD, Former Dean, College of Arts & Sciences, Florida
State University.David P. Rodgers, PhD, Assoc. Professor of Research
Oceanography, Scripps Institution of Oceanograghy. Brian Fiedler, PhD, Asst
professor of Meteorology, University of Oaklahoma.
Edward A. Brandes, Meterologist. Melvyn Shapiro, Chief of Meteorological
Research Wave Propagation Laboratory, NOAA. Joesph Zabransky, Jr., Associate
professor of Meteorology, Plymouth State College. James A. Moore, Project
Manager, Research Applications program, national Center for Atmospheric
Research. Daniel J McNaughton, ENSR Consultating and Engineering. Brian
Sussman, Meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorologist, fellow, American
Meteorological Society. H Read McGrath, PhD, Meteorologist. Robert E.
Zabrecky, Meteorologist.
William M. Porch, PhD, Atmospheric Physicist, Los Alamos national
Laboratory. Earle R. Williams, PhD, Associate Profesor of Meteorology, Dept.
of Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. S. Fred Singer, PhD, Atmospheric Physsicist, University of
Virginia, Director, Science & Environmental Policy Project. (Affilitions
listed are for identification purposes only).
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
|> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
|> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
|> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
|> Just curious.
|>
|>
|> Daemon
|>
I agree with you.
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| 6misc.forsale |
In rec.motorcycles James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
; I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
;put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would
;be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to
;make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
;out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
;600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy
;considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
;fast learner, and in love.
Responsible and in love? I believe that's a contradiction
in terms.
Unless you're really brave (read: "reckless") a 500cc sport
bike will go way faster than you dare for at least your first
year of riding. Getting more than that really is overkill,
as you'll never even want to use it. The following bikes
can be bought (and repaired!) cheaply, are easy for a novice
to manage, and are plenty high performance:
Kawasaki EX-500
Honda VF-500 "Interceptor"
Suzuki GS-550E
The 0-100mph time of the EX-500 at full throttle is "way
sooner than you're ready for it". :-) With something
as small as a 250, you'd probably be wishing for more
power pretty quickly (unless it's a TZR or RGV :).
Now, I'm not saying that you're 100% certain to kill
yourself immediately with a 600f2 or a GSXR-750. Plenty
of people have started riding on those bikes and done
just fine. What I am saying is that it's a waste of
money, and a waste of perfectly good plastic when you
drop the thing learning how to balance while stopping.
You'll never get the throttle more than half open
anyway, so why spend the extra 2000 bucks?
---
chris
| 8rec.motorcycles |
russotto@vnet.IBM.COM (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>>In the Clipper case, a representative body of experts is going to be allowed
>>to audit it, and we'll have assurances (maybe even from the President) that
>>other than the escrowed keys there are no back doors. While some may not
>>have confidence in that (I am not among them)
>Wow, assurances from the President. Why, those are almost as good as
>campaign promises! I don't see why ANYONE wouldn't have confidence in
>those.
I don't think mr. Clinton can even understand the technical details of
the clipper encryption scheme. So, his "assurances" are of no value at
al, if he gives them he just says what a panel of experts(?) told him.
If I lived in the USA, I would hope those experts were not paid by the
<fill here you favorite 3-letter combination>.
--
J.C.A. Wevers The only nature of reality is physics.
johan@stack.urc.tue.nl
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
> The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the
> Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the
> Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against
> the Wings.
>
> Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!!
>
> GO HAWKS!!!
>
> JB
But I gotta tell ya,
If the Hawks can't beat the Blues in a game that
IS significant I can't wait to see how the Blues
might do against Toronto ;)
BTW, if you think that the Hawks deserved to win that game
I think you were not watching the same one everyone else
was.
ROAR'IN LEAF FAN
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* 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) *
* University of Waterloo, Canada. *
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I wrote that I thought that 2 Peter 1:20 meant, "no prophecy of
Scripture (or, as one reader suggests, no written prophecy) is
merely the private opinion of the writer."
Tony Zamora replies (Sat 8 May 1993) that this in turn implies that
it is not subject to the private interpretation of the reader
either. I am not sure that I understand this.
In one sense, no statement by another is subject to my private
interpretation. If reliable historians tell me that the Athenians
lost the Pelopennesian War, I cannot simply interpret this away
because I wanted the Athenians to win. Facts are facts and do not go
away because I want them to be otherwise.
In another sense, every statement is subject to private
interpretation, in that I have to depend on my brains and
expereience to decide what it means, and whether it is sufficiently
well attested to merit my assent. Even if the statement occurs in an
inspired writing, I still have to decide, using my own best
judgement, whether it is in fact inspired. This is not arrogance --
it is just an inescapable fact.
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
There are also a couple or three places on West 45th between Fifth and
Sixth.
Harvey
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| 12sci.electronics |
In article Fo2@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes:
<Moral Driver distinctions deleted>
>>In this case, the Driver does not evolve but simply Is. There would
>>probably not be any manifestation in an infant because the Moral
>>Code has not been learnt yet (ie. the object upon which the Driver
>>acts upon).
>
>Without manifestation, though, how can the Driver be detected? For
>all purposes it seems not to exist until Moral Coding begins.
>Actually, I agree with your notion of a Driver, except that I think
>it's not moral but pre- (and super-)moral. It is, as I mentioned
>earlier in this thread, a primal sense of connection, a pre- and
>post-natal umbilical the awareness of which is expressed in a
>partial, fragmented way that accomodates (and forms, in return) the
>language and customs of a given culture. This halting, pidgin-english
>expression is, I think, what we come to call 'morality'.
Compare the Driver to an urge such as Jealousy, where there is an urge
and an "object". The jealousy does not technically exist until the object
is apparent. However, the capacity to be jealous is presumably still there
even though it is not detectable.
Your description of the Unbilical took me three passes to understand (!) but
I get the gist and I have to tentatively agree. I think our two definitions
can sit side by side without too much trouble, though. I haven't attempted to
define the reason behind the Moral Driver (only hinted through the essence of
each Moral). Your definition hints that animals are also capable of a
similar morality - Simians have a similar Social Order to ourselves and it is
easy to anthropomorphize with these animals. Is this possible or have I
misunderstood?
>
>>>>If my suggestion holds true then this is the area where work must be
>>>>carried out to prevent a moral deterioration of Society,
>
>>>What kind of work, exactly?
>
>>Well, here you have asked the BIG question. [...]
>>I have a slight suspicion that you were hoping I would say
>>something really contentious in this reply (from your final question).
>
>No, not at all. I was just wondering if you subscribed to some
>particular school of psycho-social thought and rehabilitation, and if
>perhaps you had a plan. I'd have been interested to hear it.
>
My p.s. thoughts falls roughly in line with John Stuart Mill and
his writings on Utilitarianism. I have no particular plan (except to do
my bit - personal ethics AND social work). My opinion (for what it is worth)
is that the Authority for each Moral must be increased somehow, and that this
will probably take several generations to be effective. I don't think that the
list of Morals has changed for Society significantly, though . The Authority element
may come from our authority figures and roles models (see Eric Berne and his
transactional analysis work [+ Mavis Klein] for references) and this is what
gives rise to a deterioration of moral standards in the long term.
I've had some more thoughts on my definitions:
I've was thinking that I should add Moral Character to the list of definitions
in order to get a dynamic version of the Moral Nature (ie. the interplay of
the Moral Code and associated Authorities). A suitable analogy might be a
graphic equaliser on a HiFi system - the Moral Nature being the set of
frequencies and the chosen 'amplitudes', and the Moral Character being the
spectrum over time.
Conscience is a little more difficult because I can't define it as the
reasoning of a person between actions in the context of his Moral Nature
because Conscience seems to cut in most of the time unbidden and often
unwanted. I think Conscience is manifest when a decision is made at a given
time which compromises one's Moral Nature. My Conscience fits in more with
Freud's SuperEgo (plus the Moral Driver) with the stimulous being the
urges or Freud's Id. The reasoning that I mentioned before is Freud's Ego,
I suppose. If the Moral Driver is part of the Id then the reason why
Conscience cuts in unbidden is partially explained. The question is "what
provides the stimulous to activate the Moral driver?". I think I need some
more time with this one.
That's about it for now!
David.
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
We have a Quadra 700 with 170MB HD, but need to a lot of sound sampling
for auditory research. What would be the best type of removable media for
storing these audio clips?
Ron
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I am planning on buying a modem and related software. What are some good
products out there that won't cost me a lot of money but will still do
the job?
Any help will be appreciated. I am looking for something in the 2400 baud
area.
Kenneth
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I wrote a commercial program called GAME-MAKER (can you guess what
it does). What we do is have a document protect (answer Question on page x,
line y), which is a real pain. We also allow the user to register by sending
in a card, and computing a # based on their name. The system works in that
we've gotten lots of registration cards.
I hear that the program has been cracked though. Someone two people
actually called up my support--one with a question, the other wanting to
buy our graphics libraries (right!). Anyway if anyone wants to help me
catch a cracker and has the cracked version, mail me. I won't accuse
you (unless you're the cracker of course).
--
Andy Stone
- stonea@suned.cs.yale.edu
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- stonea@suned.cs.yale.edu
| 12sci.electronics |
> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done,
> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines
> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open windows).
> These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a window is
moved
> over the involved area of the screen and then moved away the line disappear
> from that area of the screen. This problem is not observed if the monitor
is
> configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple monitor with 256 colors is
used.
>
> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has been
> apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse.
Andrew,
I had the same problem when I bought some additional VRAM. In my case
the problem arose when I set the color depth to 16 bit on a 14" monitor. The
problem was solved by sending back the SIMMs and getting different ones.
Someone on a local bbs I use said that the problem is with incompatible VRAM
chips and that Apple has some kind of repair/technical note discussing the
issue.
If you've had the problem since day 1, I'd take the chips back to
whomever sold them to you and get good ones.
--Phil Schuler
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu wrote:
>
> In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
> rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes:
> > I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM
> > drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know
> > when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part
> > number yet. Does anyone know what the part number
> > for this drive is and when it will be available?
> >
> > My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external
> > drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply
> > I'm not going to use.
> >
> > -Rodney Jacks
> > (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com)
>
While there may not be a part number for the CD300i drive, I have seen
a part number for the bezel kit (a new front panel with the slot in it
through which you insert the CD). The document (which I got from the
2/10/93 announcement at our Apple office) states the drive kit and bezel
kits are separate items and the bezel kit has an SRP of $149 fro the C650.
The external unit may be a better deal after all.
Bob Brickman <robrick@erenj.com>
-- disclaimer: the preceding represent my personal opinions and do not
reflect the opinions, policies, or practices of my employer
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Tom Belmonte x4858 (tbelmont@feds55.prime.com) wrote:
:
: Hello,
:
: I recently tried to print some envelopes using AmiPro 3.0 with my
: Deskjet 500 printer, and I seem to be having a problem. What
: happens is after I physically load the envelope into the printer
: (per the user manual) and then select the "Print Envelope" icon
: from AmiPro (all of the proper options have been selected), the
: printer just "spits out" the envelope without any printing of
: either a return address or the selected mailing address. At
: this point, the printer's "ONLINE" light begins to flash, and
: the Print Manager shows the printer job as busy. This is all
: that happens, until I either shut the printer off or cancel the
: printing job from the Print Manager. I have also tried this
: without the use of the Print Manager, with similar results
: (AmiPro shows the printer as being busy). So, does anybody
: have any idea/solution regarding this problem? I appreciate
: the help. Thanks.
Yes - ignore the manual. Just insert the evelope - don't use the keypad
to move it up. The Windows driver sends a message to the printer that
tells it to load the envelope - if it is already loaded, it gets ejected
and the printer tries to load another. The instructions in the manual
are for dumb DOS apps. that don't send the "load envelople" message.
:
: -- Tom Belmonte
Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In <1993Apr5.172920.11779@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <bob1.734020014@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>>In <1993Apr2.230831.18332@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:
>>
>>>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>># sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>>># >We already kill people (death penalty), and that costs even more
>>># >money, so you could as well complain about this extremely barbaric
>>># >way of justice.
>>>#
>>># But the death penalty is right.
>>>#
>>># And how expensive can an execution be? I mean, I think rope, cyanide
>>># (for the gas), or the rifles and ammunition to arm firing squads are
>>># affordable.
>>>#
>>># Now, perhaps lethal injection might be expensive, in that case, let's
>>># return to the more efficient methods employed in the past.
>>
>>>Oh, sure, the death *penalty* is fairly inexpensive, but the trial and
>>>sentencing can run millions.
>>
>>That's assuming our attack puppy is willing to grant people trials in
>>his new order.
>And why the hell would I waste my time doing that??
>(to a convicted criminal getting a death sentence)
>'Go directly to Hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200'
>(judge laughing)
Hey puppy, you are getting further around the bend every day. But
I wouldn't miss your adolescent ravings for the world, everyone
needs a good laugh now and then. :-)
>Simon
TOG
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In <C5tAow.6oD@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
>|> Or laws to stop companies from making look-alike Ford/GM car parts, and
>|>selling them as the real thing? The first people that got raided were antique
>|>companies who made 'real GM' parts for 1930's cars.
>Wooa there!!! I have a classic car. If I buy a body pannel for $300 after
>being told that it is genuine BL and discover that it is a non original
>copy value $50 I get real pissed. If I can get the genuine article I will
>pay a lot for it because not only will it cost much less to fit (probably
>meaning that its cheaper overall) but it also means that the car is worth
>a hell of a lot more.
What I was referring to was not fraud look-alike companies, but ones that
made cheap 'GM' etc parts for restoring cars. They were sold as NON-name
brand parts, but had all of the 'look', so your car would be restored to true
GM, and not brand XYZ. As you pointed out, they're a lot cheaper, so the
not as die-hard restorer can afford them too. This is all from what I've
read in automotive magazines over the last few years, and apparently the car
companies turned a sympathetic eye, because they didn't make the parts anymore.
>Are you really saying that Ford and GM are having companies beat up for
>infringing copyright on parts they don't make? I find that very hard to
>beleive.
No, but is tell me whether or not the following scenario is realistic:
1) el-cheapo companies make and sell 'GM' parts AS GM originals.
2) GM gets annoyed, and lobbies for a bill to stop anyone from labelling
parts as name brand unless they actually are.., or pushes for heavier
enforcement of current fraud laws.
3) Zealous officers raid the previously mentioned small companies, mostly
because they didn't have a specific licensing agreement to make the parts
that GM no longer makes.
Pow! Instant oppression. Who cares about the _intent_ of the law. It's
the letter that everyone ends up following.
>There is a hell of a difference between remanufacturing and passing off.
Perhaps they _were_ remanufacturing parts.. but then the parts would not
really be exactly name-brand.
> [quote from me deleted...]
>You should revers that attitude. When your interests are threatened its
>way too late. You have to challenge the govt when it is attacking
>someone else's interests.
I can't say I agree with you more. Perhaps I misphrased myself in my previous
post, or you misread what I was trying to say.
>That does not mean however that you can start calling the govt the
>equivalent of the NAZI party on the basis of an unfortunate outcome
>in a hostage situation.
??? I don't ever remember saying something like that. I may or may not
agree with what the various bureaus did, but in the end it was the BD's choice
to blow themselves up, and that can never be blamed on over-zealous law
enforcement.
Alan DeKok.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
>
>On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
>Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
>to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact
>ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
>order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
>and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My
>recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV.
When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things
to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet
liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/
head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in
the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the
the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were
cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head
that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all?
I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr22.182545.29072@linus.mitre.org>, bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
> In article <1r51iiINN8p9@mojo.eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
> :In article <C5u9Ev.4tA@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes:
> :>
> :>B.B.C. world news service, on short-wave, originating out of London,
> :>reports that a survivor of the Waco massacre states that a tank, when
> :>making a hole in the wall of the building, knocked over a kerosene
> :>lamp and that is how the fire started. Attempts were made by the
> :>people inside to put out the fire, but it spread too quickly.
> :
> :We're hearing it. It sure rings true-- it's consistent in a way that
> :mass suicide by fire is not. This survivor is also saying that they
>
> It rings true????
>
> There was a separate report that an overhead helicopter which was recording
> the entire incident on video tape has a visual record of SEVERAL files
> (I think the number 3 was mentioned) starting at different parts of the
> compound.
Has this video been made public? The FBI spokesman also said they
first knew of the fire when black smoke started pouring out, but
later said that *three* different FBI agents saw B-D members starting
the fires.
Also the FBI claims to have listening devices (bugs) in the compound.
Will they make public the tapes of what the B-D said?
> To me, this attempt to blame the FBI for starting the fire simply looks
> like an attempt by a survivor to shift blame away from the B-D's.
>
> I think it is a crock.
Well sealing the initial search warrent, keeping the media miles away,
not letting the B-D talk to the public, making contradictory statements,
not releasing the vidio & tapes are not steps to ensure public confidence
in their actions.
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes:
[DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE
[DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe
[DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson
[DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial,
[DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of
[DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet
[DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all
[DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a
[DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false
[DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American
[DG] members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of
[DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda
[DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer,
[DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America.
[JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first
[JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash.
Jake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph
to see that it was "bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash". :-)
The article title "THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND
DANGEROUS MISTAKE" should have been enough! :-)
Tsiel
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
There have been a few postings in the past on alleged pathological
(esp. neurological) conditions induced by playing video games
(e.g. Nintendo). Apparently, there have been reported several cases of
"photosensitive epilepsy", due to the flashing of some
patterns and the strong attention of the (young) players.
One poster to comp.risks reported some action from
the British Government.
A quick search in a database reported the following two published
references:
1. E.J. Hart, Nintendo epilepsy, in New England J. of Med., 322(20), 1473
2. TK Daneshmend et al., Dark Warrior epilepsy, BMJ 1982; 284:1751-2.
I would appreciate if someone could post (or e-mail)
any reference to (preferably published) further work on the subject.
Any pointer to other information and/or to possible technical tools
(if any) for reducing the risks are appreciated.
Many thanks,
Antonella D'Alessandro,
Pisa -- Italy.
| 13sci.med |
kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes:
[...]
>The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex
>and pictures newsgroups at various universities.
[...]
So what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul
Stevens, and Byron White are associated with a plurality Supreme Court
decision that prevented the removal of "anti-American, anti-Christian,
anti-Semitic, and just plain filthy" books from a public high school
library [_Board of Education v. Pico_ (1982)]. Does this mean that
they could no longer defend free expression and privacy?
- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
= kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
| 11sci.crypt |
KS> From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)
KS>My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio Syndrome
KS>This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different symptons ( eg
KS>chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have any information
I'm not sure that this condition is "recognised" anywhere (in the
sense of a disease with diagnostic criteria, clear boundaries
between it and other diseases, unique pathologic or physiologic
features, etc), but here goes with what many neurologists agree on.
Post-polio syndrome patients have evidence of motor neuron disease
by clinical examination, EMG, and muscle biopsy. The abnormalities
are mostly chronic (due to old polio) but there is evidence of
ongoing deterioration. Clinically, the patients complain of
declining strength and endurance with everyday motor tasks.
Musculoskeletal pain is a nearly universal feature that doubtless
contributes to the impaired performance. The examination shows
muscle weakness and atrophy. The EMG shows evidence of old
denervation with reinnervation (giant and long-duration motor unit
action potentials) *and* evidence of active denervation
(fibrillation potentials). The biopsy also shows old denervation
with reinnervation (fiber-type grouping) *and* evidence of active
denervation (small, angulated fibers with dense oxidative enzyme
staining) - but curiously, little or no group atrophy.
Post-polio patients do not have ALS. In ALS, there is clinically
evident deterioration from one month to the next. In post-polio,
the patients are remarkably stable in objective findings from one
year to the next. Of course, there are patients who had polio
before who develop genuine ALS, but ALS is no more common among
polio survivors than among people who never had polio.
The cause of post-polio syndrome is unknown. There is little
evidence that post-polio patients have active polio virus or
destructive immunologic response to virus antigen.
There is no solid evidence that patients with post-polio have
anything different happening to the motor unit (anterior horn cells,
motor axons, neuromuscular junctions, and muscle fibers) than
patients with old polio who are not complaining of deterioration.
Both groups can have the same EMG and biopsy findings. The reason
for these "acute" changes in a "chronic" disease (old polio) is
unknown. Possibly spinal motor neurons (that have reinnervated huge
numbers of muscle fibers) start shedding the load after several
years.
There are a couple of clinical features that distinguish post-polio
syndrome patients from patients with old polio who deny
deterioration. The PPS patients are more likely to have had severe
polio. The PPS patients are *much* more likely to complain of pain.
They also tend to score higher on depression scales of
neuropsychologic tests.
My take on this (I'm sure some will disagree): after recovery from
severe polio there can be abnormal loading on muscles, tendons,
ligaments, bones, and joints, that leads to inflammatory and/or
degenerative conditions affecting these structures. The increasing
pain, superimposed on the chronic (but unchanging) weakness, leads
to progressive impairment of motor performance and ADL. I am
perhaps biased by personal experience of having never seen a PPS
patient who was not limited in some way by pain. I do not believe
that PPS patients have more rapid deterioration of motor units than
non-PPS patients (i.e., those with old polio of similar severity but
without PPS complaints).
---
. SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)
| 13sci.med |
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Humans have "gone somewhat beyond" what, exactly? In one thread
>you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to
>survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient
>being can "definitely" say what is right and what is wrong. So
>what does this omniscient being use for a criterion? The long-
>term survival of the human species, or what?
Well, that's the question, isn't it? The goals are probably not all that
obvious. We can set up a few goals, like happiness and liberty and
the golden rule, etc. But these goals aren't inherent. They have to
be defined before an objective system is possible.
>How does omniscient map into "definitely" being able to assign
>"right" and "wrong" to actions?
It is not too difficult, one you have goals in mind, and absolute
knoweldge of everyone's intent, etc.
>>Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This
>>was not part of the original premise.
>Well, your "original premises" have a habit of changing over time,
>so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the
>difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign "right"
>and "wrong" to actions, and telling us the result, is.
Omniscience is fine, as long as information is not given away. Isn't
this the resolution of the free will problem? An interactive omniscient
being changes the situation.
>>Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it
>>is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't
>>adversely affect your own, I guess).
>I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to
>be implemented by this omniscient being that can "definitely" assign
>"right" and "wrong" to actions.
>You tell us what type of morality that is.
Well, I was speaking about an objective system in general. I didn't
mention a specific goal, which would be necessary to determine the
morality of an action.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)
>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
>carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
>on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside
>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
happen before.
Matthew
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1993Apr16.175300.98134@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) writes:
>Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,
>and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The
>Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the
>end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.
>The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because
>they were very interested in him. Oh well.
At least we got somebody the Flyers wanted ;-)
Is this really true? I have not been keeping up with any news. If it is,
what's the deal with Neil Smith? Is he gone, too?
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
>> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun-
>> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters?
There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year.
The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500
fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those
occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of "self-inflicted
gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters" is probably
well under 250 per year.
>>If you fall, for example,
>> and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge.
Handguns designs have included a "hammer block" since around 1960
or earlier. This is a metal part which physically seperates
the cartridge and the firing pin: Even under impact, the gun
cannot fire. The hammer block is connected to the trigger and
is pulled out of the way as the trigger is pulled. As a result,
modern pistols can fire _only_ if the trigger is pulled (or
in some cases, if they are cocked by hand and then dropped.)
>> The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of
>> deaths caused by animal attacks or "wacko" attacks combined.
I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders
each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only
2.1% of the murders were killings by "wacko"s, you would be
wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated
assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and
preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the
accidents you are worried about.
(These figures, by the way, are from the FBI's "Uniform Crime
Report" for 1990. I'll stop by a library tomorrow and look at
the "National Crime Victimization Survey", which is more
specific about where and when the crimes occured.)
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Hi,
The subject line says it all. My system acts weird at times. All of a
sudden the system will be corrupt, boot blocks will get chewed, etc.
This was a really big problem for a while. I couldn't even format my
drive properly. I installed HDT's driver and things got better. Now
all I have to do is reinstall the system. Could an incompatibility
exist between it and a Quantum external drive.
I'm looking for a pure hardware solution. It's not a virus, bad
software, etc. Could I have a bad SCSI cable? Or is the IBM (WDS-80)
just a screwey drive?
Thanks,
Chuck
--
Chuck Williams ==> CS Intern ==> Pacific Northwest Laboratories
da228@cleveland.freenet.edu
cg_williams@ccmail.pnl.gov
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes:
> It is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export
> PKZIP's encryption scheme has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own
> conclusions.
Uh, I'm afraid that your information is slightly out of date... PKWare
has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world,
except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own conclusions
about the strength of the algorithm... :-)
Regards,
Vesselin
--
Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
| 11sci.crypt |
What does anyone think that Judge Wopner would do if Karadzic was
on trial before him? (Nevah happen, but just a thought...)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <15445@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
wrote:
> Unless, of course, the problem is that homosexuality is a form
> of mental disorder, caused by childhood sexual abuse, as a number of
> recent works suggest.
Mr. Cramer, when are you going to stop indulging in such blatant lies?
This is not only not true, you know damned well that it's not true. None
of your research supports this; no mental health expert has taken this
position. This is *your own* opinion which is not backed up by any
research or any knowledge.
According to one survey, done in San Francisco, the number of heterosexual
men who were molested as children was on the order of 5%. The number of
homosexual men who were molested as children was on the order of 8%.
Source: a book on sexual abuse of children by David Finkelhor (sorry,
the title escapes me).
Conclusions that can be drawn from this: none.
> If homosexuals would stop using the government to impose their
> morality on others (antidiscrimination laws) and leave our children
> alone, I wouldn't care in the least what they did in private. But
> until they get over the liberal notion that the proper role of
> government is to tell peaceful people how to live, I have no choice
> but to continue to point out that homosexuality is not an "alternative
> lifestyle," but a sickness.
Oh, you definitely have a choice. You realize, of course, that you
are approaching the two-year anniversary of your crusade. How are
you planning on celebrating two years of lies?
Incidentally, we are still waiting your crusade against African-Americans,
women, and other minorities who also want to "impose their morality on
others". After all, they also want the government to "tell peaceful
people how to live." Therefore, you really "have no choice", but to
continue to point out that being a woman or an African-American is not
a lifestyle, but a sickness.
It's bullshit, Mr. Cramer. It was bullshit when you began this crusade
and it's still bullshit. I am continually amazed at the depths to which
you'll stoop to carry on this deliberate attack.
Paul Bartholomew
pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov
| 18talk.politics.misc |
If you look through this newsgroup, you should be
able to find Clinton's proposed "Wiretapping" Initiative
for our computer networks and telephone systems.
This 'initiative" has been up before Congress for at least
the past 6 months, in the guise of the "FBI Wiretapping"
bill.
I strongly urge you to begin considering your future.
I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport
in the mail soon.
I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you
have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while
you are still able.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hello,
I am admin for an RS/6000 running AIX 3.2, X11R5, Motif, and xdt3.
I want to prevent the user from hitting CNTL-ALT-BKSPC to exit X.
I've tried invoking X with 'xinit -T', but that doesn't work.
xinit appends the -T to the call to .xinitrc, and not to the
call to X.
The man page to xinit is no help. In fact, it tells
me that xinit is a script when it is really a binary file.
So far, the only way I've been able to accomplish this feat is
to add the -T to the call to X in /usr/lpp/X11/defaults/xserverrc.
I would rather not do it this way. Does anyone have any other ideas?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian DeFord Internet: deford@netwrx1.nw1.com
Open Networks, Inc. Usenet: uunet!netwrx1!deford
11490 Commerce Park Dr. #205 Tel: 703-648-0013
Reston, VA 22091 FAX: 703-648-0016
I want to prevent the
| 5comp.windows.x |
bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
>First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.
Well, this is alt.atheism. I hope you arent here to try to convert anyone.
>It makes sense to be one.
Many would disagree.
[...]
>The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Well, you shouldn't give any particular book too much weight. Actually,
I don't think that any of these statements is correct. It is more likely
that most of Jesus' fame was attributed to him after his death by those
who had some strong motives...
[...]
>Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.
What's a prophecy, and what's so significant about them?
>I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.
I think we understand.
>It is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
>sake.
Well, sell your computer and donate you life to your religion now...
Don't waste any time.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <14569@greg>, greg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gregory Lehman) writes:
|>Path: wrdis01!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!nott!uotcsi2!geovision!software.mitel.com!greg
|>From: greg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gregory Lehman)
|>Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
|>Subject: Looking for drawing packages
|>Message-ID: <14569@greg>
|>Date: 27 Apr 93 20:08:10 GMT
|>Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
|>Lines: 24
|>Xref: wrdis01 comp.windows.x:36152 comp.windows.x.motif:13750
|>
|>Greetings.
|>
|>I am developing an application that allows a *user* to interactively
|>create/edit/view a visual "model" (i.e. topology) of their network, and
|>I was wondering if anyone knew of any builder tools that exist to
|>simplify this task.
|>
|>In the past I have used Visual Edge's UIM/X product to develop other
|>GUIs, so I am familiar with UIMSs in general.
|>
|>The topology will support objects and connecting links. Once the
|>topology is created, I want to provide the user with capabilities to
|>support grouping, zooming, etc.
|>
|>I am looking for some form of a higher abstraction other than X drawing
|>routines to accomplish this. Specifically, the zooming and grouping
|>aspects may prove difficult, and certainly time consuming, if I have
|>to "roll my own".
|>
|>Suggestions?
|>
|>-greg
|>
|>greg@software.mitel.com
|>
You don't mention your platform but Digital has a custom widget, NetEd,
which does exactly what you want to do. Cost is nominal 300 or so - call your
local office. The widget is supported on a variety of platforms and I heard
rumblings of porting to Sun, etc. so it may be worth the check.
Charlie Gilley
Digital Equipment Corp.
| 5comp.windows.x |
howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:
>In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>,
>mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.
>No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.
"In Dog We Thrust"
:-)
| 8rec.motorcycles |
David Joslin (joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu) wrote:
: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:
: >Based on the amount of E-Mail from fellow Christians who have read the
: >posts and told me I was wasting my time with Butler and Joslin, I told
: >them I wasn't doing it for DB or DJ but for other Christians. They
: >have told me that DB's and DJ's arguments won't convince most Bible
: >studying Christians. So I have reevaluated my purpose here and it's
: >also contributed to my decision.
: So most Bible-studying Christians won't be convinced by my arguments?
: And this is supposed to be a Good Thing, I presume?
Where does this "Most Bible studying Christians think as Frank
does" come from. And what implied "good" are you doing for other
Christians?
At least some of what you are teaching has been demonstrated as
wrong. Has it ever occured to you that you may be doing more harm
than good to your fellow Christians?
BTW, I used to think like Frank does. I went to a fundamentalist
church for a while. I didn't start to really think about what
they were saying until I noticed a "God's Science" phamphlet
there. I read it and noticed that the authors of it knew virtually
nothing about Science. I asked church members some questions about
"theories" from the phamphlet and got only deceptive answers. I
began to notice a very similar style of "answers" for theological
questions as well. The only conclusion I could reach was that
these peoples' beliefs about the Bible were about as valid as
their beliefs in their God's Science phamphlet.
: If there are still people out there who think that my purpose here
: is to "attack the Bible," (an accusation Frank once made) I would point
: out that I have also criticized people who have posted "bible
: contradictions" that turn out to be silly, out of context, or easily
: (and legitimately) reconciled. I'm not attacking the Bible, but
: intellectual dishonesty *about* the Bible, from either side.
If one of the primary purposes of Christians is to seek out truth,
how can people condemn you for doing this?
--
Dale Skiba
| 19talk.religion.misc |
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
______________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 20, 1993
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
IN PHOTO OPPORTUNITY WITH VACLAV HAVEL
The Oval Office
5:00 P.M. EDT
Q Mr. President, President Havel is here for the
Holocaust Museum opening, and you toured the museum last night. All
this focus on the Holocaust, how does that weigh on your decision-
making process as far as Bosnia is concerned?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think the Holocaust is the most
extreme example the world has ever known of ethnic cleansing. And I
think that even in its more limited manifestations, it's an idea that
should be opposed. You couldn't help thinking about that. That's
not to compare the two examples. They're not identical; everyone
knows that. But I think that the United States should always seek an
opportunity to stand up against -- at least to speak out against
inhumanity.
Q Sir, how close are you to a decision on more
sanctions on Bosnia?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, of course, we've got the U.N.
vote. Ambassador Albright was instrumental in the U.N. vote to
strengthen the sanctions and they are quite tough. And we now are
putting our heads at the business of implementing them and looking at
what other options we ought to consider. And I don't have anything
else to say, except to tell you that I spent quite a bit of time on
it and will continue to over the next several days.
Q Following your meeting today, sir, are you any
closer to some sort of U.S. military presence there?
THE PRESIDENT: I have not made any decisions.
* * *
Q President Clinton, why have you decided to meet
with Mr. Havel?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm just honored that he would
come and see me. I'm glad he's here in the United States for the
dedication of the Holocaust Museum. He is a figure widely admired in
our country and around the world, and a very important person in
Europe, and a very important person to the United States. So I'm
hoping that we'll have a chance to talk about the new Czech republic
and what kinds of things we can do together to support the causes we
believe in.
END5:05 P.M. EDT
| 18talk.politics.misc |
On April 23, wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) wrote:
W -->
W --> SEE! The Providence Bruins lost the first two games at home and came back to
W --> tie the series on the road, there may be hope for the Bruins yet!
Toast. They're toast. (And I know how much you want me to eat these
words, but it ain't gonna happen.) Are the golf courses in the Boston
area in playable condition yet?
- Jack
* Acid consumes 47 times its weight in life!
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In article <1r24bv$dif@apple.com>, earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) writes:
> >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a
> >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly
> >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?)
> >...
It is silly to make this statement. Fifteen minutes after the fire
started, the "official word" out of FBI headquaters in DC was
that the DV's committed suicide. It would seem logical that the
lantern story has more credibility. You can't even to pretend to
know for sure what happened... although Clinton is doing just that.
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| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <Apr.8.00.57.49.1993.28271@athos.rutgers.edu> marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:
>In article <Apr.7.01.55.33.1993.22762@athos.rutgers.edu> kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes:
>>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome
>>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last
>>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff,
>>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even
>>suggest that AIDS is "deserved" is ludicrous.
>
>Some rules are made because at some point man is too stupid
>to know better. Yet, eventually man learns. But only after
>getting a lesson from experience.
Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences,
and that "rules" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a
*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is
taking things much too far. If we got some kind of mouth disease
for lying, would any of us have mouths left? What if we developed
blindness every time we lusted after someone or something? I dare
say all of us would be walking into walls.
>
>I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get
>involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who
>received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes
>to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few.
Yes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real*
careful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for
sin. The Jews of Jesus's time believed that all sickness was the
result of a sin. Then Jesus healed a blind man and said that man was
blind to show the glory of God, not because of sin. If AIDS, or any
other STD is a *punishment" for sexual sin, what do we do with
diseases like cancer, or multiple sclerosis, which are just as
debilitating and terrible as AIDS, yet are not usually linked to a
specific behavior or lifestyle?
>
>In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things.
>There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ?
>I don't know.
Atonement is *extremely* important, but I think you've missed the mark
about as far as you can by suggesting that AIDS is an atonement for sin.
The atonement for sin is JESUS CHRIST - period. This is the central
message of the Gospel. A perfect sacrifice was required for our sins,
and was made in the Lamb of God. His sacrifice atoned for *all* of
our sins, past present and future. God does not require pennance for
our sins, nor does he require us to come up with our own atonement. He
has graciously already done that for us. To suggest that AIDS or
some other consequence is an atonement for sins is literally spitting
on the sacrifice that Jesus made.
In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when
I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and
phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other
socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through
their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus Christ,
no more and no less than we do. I've said this before, but I think
it's a good analogy. People with AIDS are modern-day lepers. Jesus
healed many lepers. He can also heal people with AIDS, maybe not on
this earth, but in an ultimate sense. My next-door neighbor has AIDS.
She has recently come to have a much deeper and more committed
relationship with God. Her theology isn't what I would want it to be,
but God's grace covers her. The amazing thing is that she is gaining
weight (she's had the disease for over 2 years) and her health is
excellent apart from occassional skin rashes and such. She attributes
her improvement in her health to God's intervention in her life. Who
are we to suggest that her disease is some kind of punishment? It
seems to me that God is being glorified through her disease.
Paul Overstreet, the country singer, has a good song title that I
think applies to all of us - But for the Grace of God, There Go I
(or something like that).
May we all experience and accept God's grace.
>
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Hi All,
I have heard that somewhere there exist programmable keyboards, eg. one
can program displays on the keys to show some specific characters, et.c.
Does it mean that there is some way of transmitting some "non-trivial" data
to the KB (as opposed to standard NumLock/... On-Off, typeamatic specs.) from
inside the PC software? I have not found any corresponding reference in the
specs for the 8042 PC-KB interface. Anyone have any ideas? (Except that they
may encode data by the sequences of the standard commands mentioned above,
which wouldn't look too neat, besides, what would one do from an XT?)
Great thanks in advance,
Andrew.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Greeting
I am starting work on a project where I am trying to make strain gages
bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months. I am currently
using hydroxyapaptite back gages, and I have tried M-bonding the gages
to the bone. Apart from those two application methods there doesn't
seem to be much else in the literature. I have only an engineering
background not medical or biological. I would be interest in any
ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone.
Thanks for oyur help in Advance.
Terrance J Dishongh
ame_0123@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu
| 13sci.med |
I am glad and proud to announce the new mailing-list for the PD Motif C++
bindings. I got over 40 replies in about one week of people interested in
such a list, and the software has now been properly installed, so the list
is now up and running. For those interested in joining, please send e-mail
to that extend to 'motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl' or 'rvloon@cv.ruu.nl'.
The blurb everyone who joins gets follows, as well as the original
announcement for where Motif++ can be obtained.
Enjoy!
8< - 8< -
Welcome to the Motif++ Mailing List!
The Motif++ mailing list is a mailing list dedicated to Motif++, the PD C++
wrapper library for Motif, where people can ask questions about Motif++,
swap stories, and give new ideas about new directions and improvements for the
bindings.
All requests of an administrative nature, like subscription, removal, etc.
should be directed to motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl
All e-mail sent to motif++@cv.ruu.nl will be sent to the entire list, so
please make sure when using 'vacation' type programs that will reply to
messages automatically, that the address for the mailing-list is excluded
from auto-replies.
Enjoy!
Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference
(rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice.
3DCV Group, Utrecht |
The Netherlands | In practice however, there is.
8< - 8< -
Hello Motif World,
over the past half year there have been a lot of relatively minor changes to
the Motif++ bindings. Imake support has been improved, a few defaults have
been changed, and a lot of other small things have been added.
This is basically a release which drops the 'gamma' status. Next release will
incorporate some improvements by Stefan Schwarz, and possibly will support
X11R5 and Motif 1.2.x.
Note to all of those who keep copies of the archive: please retrieve this
distribution (during off-peak hours), and delete all previous copies.
Here is the original ANNOUNCEMENT:
HISTORY
The University of Lowell, supported by a grant of the Open Software Foundation,
has developed a wrapper-library, that encapsulates Motif widgets in C++
classes. All resources of these Widgets can now be set through
member-functions, while objects can be used in callback-functions. The library
was made available for free or nominal cost for anonymous ftp at 129.63.1.1.
However, the library contained a large number of bugs and oversights, and only
worked under X11R3. Due to lack of subsequent fundings, the bindings are no
longer actively supported by the University of Lowell.
I, Ronald van Loon, at a certain point last year, have taken the Lowell
bindings, fixing the bugs I came across, adding missing memberfunctions, and
enhancing functionality and made the bug-fixed library available for the
general public for anonymous ftp (made possible by Rick Murphy at DEC).
NEW RELEASE
I am now pleased to announce a new and updated release of the Motif++
bindings.
This release offers:
- Full Motif1.1 and X11R4 support
- Support for Xbae widgetset
- Two additional widgets, written by myself, that can be used to indicate
progress in an application.
- Imake support. NB: this release relies heavily on the existence of imake
and its config files on your site. I have tried to
provide the bindings with a standard Makefile, tweakable
for those unfortunates without imake. I have not severely
tested the standard Makefile though. Contact me if you
have problems. The reason for calling this a gamma
release lies in the fact that I do not have a multitude
of platforms to test the Imake-files on.
- Lots of testfiles (even somewhat useful programs)
- An article I wrote on the usage of Motif, X and C++, previously posted
on Usenet.
WHERE TO GET THE NEW MOTIF BINDINGS
Ftp:
Anonymous ftp at decuac.dec.com (192.5.214.1), directory /pub/X11.
Note:
Please be patient as the network link is quite slow. Please do not FTP large
files during working hours.
Also note that there is also a motif++.31.jan.92.tar.Z file at this site; this
is an old version of the bindings.
E-mail:
Those who don't have ftp can send me e-mail, and I will send the bindings by
e-mail.
REQUEST
Those who use the bindings and find bugs, or see room for improvement, please
contact me, and I will try to incorporate them in a future release (in case of
bugs, a bug-fix of course ;-).
MORE INFORMATION
Contact me at "rvloon@cv.ruu.nl".
If you are desperate, then you can call me at
+31 30 506711 (that is Utrecht, the Netherlands; those within the Netherlands
call 030-506711).
Enjoy!
--
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(rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice.
3DCV Group, Utrecht |
The Netherlands | In practice however, there is.
| 5comp.windows.x |
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as "Nick." Completely my
error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's
(remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?). He was from my part of the country,
and Michael's email address of "nmsca[...]" probably helped confuse things
in my mind. Purely user headspace error on my part. Sorry.
Doug Loss
| 14sci.space |
I do not know if I am hitting the right news groups or not, any help in
the right direction is more than welcome. I need help finding a company
that will take photographic images scanned in and modified by Adobe Photoshop
and turn them into thermal prints or negatives. I am looking for a place
as close to North Carolina as possible. The images will be created on
a Macintosh Quadra 800 running Adobe Photoshop and will then be stored in
whatever format the vendor requires, perhaps 88M cartridges?
The images will be black and white photographs scanned in with a 1200 dpi
scanner then modified/corrected by Adobe Photoshop. If anyone could help me
or even give me phone numbers to people who could I would be very grateful.
Also if anyone else is doing what I am planning I would be happy to hear
from you with any advice you might provide as to the computer system you
use and/or any peripherals or software. It seemed the Quadra 800 would be
my best bet to modify photographic images. I am planning on buying a Quadra
800 with 32Megs of RAM, a 510Meg Hard Drive, a 1200 dpi scanner, 17" Sony
monitor and a 88Meg cartridge drive and perhaps a CD ROM. I am new to
computers and any advice would be great.
-- David at hawks@seq.uncwil.edu or hawks_dw@wl.corning.com
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1qvatv$9ic@pandora.sdsu.edu> masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) writes:
>
>
>Is there an Xt call to give me my application context?
>I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut,
>whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use
>to give me this value?
>
You can get the ApplicationContext associated with a widget by calling
XtWidgetToApplicationContext.
--
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Ian Hogg ianhogg@cs.umn.edu
(612) 424-6332
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary?
Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when
the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be
attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave.
>2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan
>temporary?
The three are very different issues. Israel has stated
repeatedly that it will not give up the whole Golan, but may be
willing to give part of it to Syria as part of a peace agreement.
Israel has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war.
These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no
legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents
in annexed areas who wanted citizenship.
Israel should keep control of parts of the West Bank, IMHO.
The parts that should be kept are the westernmost mountain ridge,
which contain few arab towns, and many suburbs, as well as overlooking
the city of Tel Aviv. The Eastern mountain ridge should be
abandonded. This is where most of the arabs live and it is less
militarily relevant. Israel should also maintain a presence in the
Jordan valley.
>If so (for those of you who support it), why were so
>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary,
>let's hear it.
There are a number of reasons for people to move (they were
not moved, but chose to move) into disputed areas. Note that since
these moves were made by free willed human beings, not "settlers," I
will address two aspects of your question, why the government would
allow &/or encourage them to move, and second why they did move.
The government had a number of reasons for encouraging people
to move across the green line. They included security and politics.
The first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes
it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also
act as fortresses in times of war.
A second reason was political. Creating "settlements" brought
the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and
cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in
Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no
land left that could be called arab.
The fact that there are a hundered thousands Jews in place
changes the face of any peace settlement, and restricts what land can
be given away.
Individuals who crossed the green line had several reasons for
doing so. They include financial, religious, and political reasons.
Many of the communities created were "bedroom" communities.
Suburbs. A house 20 minutes outside of Tel Aviv cost half less if it
was on the wrong side of the green line. People who moved there
wanted a decent home at a nice price.
Some of the communites created were religious. They built
their neighborhoods in areas where there were jews until the riots of
the 30's and 40's. There are communities like this in Hebron, Gaza,
and all over. There are also communities built near religious sites.
The last reason people moved was to establish a political
Jewish presense outside the green line. They built communities to
control important intersections, important hilltops, roads, and other
places.
The point is, there are many reasons people moved over the
green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever
status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an "all
or nothing" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not
be the results of a war.
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
(reference line trimmed)
SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) writes:
>First, I'll make the assumption that you agree that a murderer is one
>who has commited murder.
Well, I'd say that a murderer is one who intentionally committed a murder.
For instance, if you put a bullet into a gun that was thought to contain
blanks, and someone was killed with such a gun, the person who actually
performed the action isn't the murderer (but I guess this is actually made
clear in the below definition).
>I'd be interested to see a more reasonable definition.
What do you mean by "reasonable?"
>Otherwise, your inductive definition doesn't bottom out:
>Your definition, in essence, is that
>>Murder is the intentional killing of someone who has not commited
>>murder, against his will.
>Expanding the second occurence of `murder' in the above, we see that
[...]
Yes, it is bad to include the word being defined in the definition. But,
even though the series is recursively infinite, I think the meaning can
still be deduced.
>I assume you can see the problem here. To do a correct inductive
>definition, you must define something in terms of a simpler case, and
>you must have one or several "bottoming out" cases. For instance, we
>can define the factorial function (the function which assigns to a
>positive integer the product of the positive integers less than or
>equal to it) on the positive integers inductively as follows:
[math lesson deleted]
Okay, let's look at this situation: suppose there is a longstanding
feud between two families which claim that the other committed some
travesty in the distant past. Each time a member of the one family
kills a member of the other, the other family thinks that it is justified
in killing a that member of the first family. Now, let's suppose that this
sequence has occurred an infinite number of times. Or, if you don't
like dealing with infinities, suppose that one member of the family
goes back into time and essentially begins the whole thing. That is, there
is a never-ending loop of slayings based on some non-existent travesty.
How do you resolve this?
Well, they are all murders.
Now, I suppose that this isn't totally applicable to your "problem," but
it still is possible to reduce an uninduced system.
And, in any case, the nested "murderer" in the definition of murder
cannot be infintely recursive, given the finite existence of humanity.
And, a murder cannot be committed without a killing involved. So, the
first person to intentionally cause someone to get killed is necessarily
a murderer. Is this enough of an induction to solve the apparently
unreducable definition? See, in a totally objective system where all the
information is available, such a nested definition isn't really a problem.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Mar26.213522.26224@ncsu.edu> andrea@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrea M Free-Kwiatkowski) writes:
>I would like to know if there is any new information out there about the
>subject or any new studies being conducted. I am confident in my
>pediatrician and her communication with the people in Chapel Hill, but
>since this is a life-long disorder and genetically transferred I would
>like keep current. I do realize that since this is a relatively new
>disorder (first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in Scandanavia)
>and is therefore "controversial".
I do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with
"Kartagener's syndrome", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome
in which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic
infections. "Situs inversus" means that organs are on the wrong
side of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting
medically because the normal location of organs is caused in part
by the "normal" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in
absence of this, laterality can be "random." People with situs
inversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their
rarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they
can't find the patient's heart sounds (because they're on the wrong
side).
According to Harrison's, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal
recessive, which should imply that on average one child in four
in a family would be affected. But there may be much more current
information on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking
about more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your
pediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of
which there is probably one at NCSU.
-km
| 13sci.med |
Just to add to this vein, consider that range of a first baseman is not
the only important thing. He is IMO the best fielder of bad throws from
the other infielders. I have seen him scoop balls out of the dirt, catch
balls off a large bounce, take down balls over his head, wide, etc. ad
infinitum. *And* he gets the out, much of the time. Some of the things
he does to save his infielders of errors are amazing. You have to give
Mattingly credit for being able to do all of that while keeping his foot
near the bag (yes, I am sure he gets a few calls because he is Mattingly :-)
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
In this corner LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
Weighing in at almost every weight imaginable . . .
Life, and all that surrounds it. -- Blues Traveler, 1993
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
In article <C5sy1z.4tD@demon.co.uk>, Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack
> :has 2^80 possible keys.
>
> We don't yet know if all 80 bits count.
That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something
they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be
verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the
chip, then try flipping random key bits, and see what happens to the
output. We already know what *should* happen -- about half the output
bits should vary, on average, from a 1-bit key change or input change.
If they were out to build a weak cryptosystem, it might be the case that
some of the bits are much less powerful than others, in the sense that
they only enter into the encryption very late in the game. By contrast,
DES was designed to use each key bit as early as possible; the 50% output
change rate appears as early as round 5. Again, though, I don't think
NSA is going to cheat that crudely; they're likely to get caught.
Consider a cryptosytem that starts out by XORing bits 23 and 47, and
not using either of these bits except through this XOR. This system
makes early use of every bit. but an exhaustive key search would now
only have 2^79 keys to search. Your test by varying single key bits
wouldn't turn up anything interesting.
Remember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see
the cryptosystem design. If you assume something DES-like, a biased
subkey generation schedule will stick out like a sore thumb.
The algorithm I suggest above would stick out like a sore thumb, but
I'm sure I could design a system with a more subtle key redundancy
which was well-hidden, but would still make an exhaustive key search
take far less than 2^80 encryptions. I don't believe your claim that
the real keysize can be verified externally.
Andy Latto
andyl@harlequin.com
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>Erik velapold
Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
AT
| 7rec.autos |
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get more information about
the graphics in the WingCommander series, and the RealSpace system they use.
I think it's really awesome, and wouldn't mind being able to use similar
features in programs. Thanks in advance.
Daemon
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr20.115045.20756@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes:
#In <1r0fpv$p11@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes:
#>In article <1993Apr20.070156.26910@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI
#>(Mats Andtbacka) writes:
#
#># Ah, that old chestnut, your claim that moral objectivism ==
#>#scientific objectivism. I don't agree with it; now try proving, through
#>#some objective moral test, that my disagreeing is incorrect. =)
#>
#> Your claim, which you have deleted now was "not universal => not objective".
#
# I've deleted it now, in the interest of brevity. Go back a step
#and you'll see it was still in your post. Yes, that was my claim; if you
#can refute it, then please do so.
Firstly, an apology. You hadn't deleted your claim, and I was mistaken in
saying you had. Sorry for any offence caused.
Secondly, how can I refute your definition? I can only point up its
logical implications, and say that they seem to contradict the usage
of the word "objective" in other areas. Indeed, by your definition, an
objective x is an oxymoron, for all x. I have no quibble with that
belief, other than that it is useless, and that "objective" is a perfectly
good word.
#> So, what *is* objective? Not the age of the universe, anyway, as I show
#> above.
#
# How many ages can the universe have, and still be internally self-
#consistent? I'd be amazed if it was more than one. How many different
#moral systems can different members of society have - indeed, single
#individuals, in some cases - and humanity still stick together?
Begging the question. People can have many opinions about the age
of the universe and humanity can still stick together. You are
saying that the universe has a _real_ age, independent of my beliefs about
it. Why?
# The age of the universe, like most scientific facts, can be
#emirically verified through means that'll give the same result no matter
#who performs the testing (albeit there are error bars that may be on the
#largish side...).
This assumes that the universe has a real age, or any kind of reality
which doesn't depend on what we think. Why should an extreme Biblical
Creationist give a rat's ass about the means of which you speak?
#I've heard of no way to verify morality in a
#consistent way, much less compute the errors of the measurement; care to
#enlighten me?
The same is true of pain, but painkillers exist, and can be predicted
to work with some accuracy better than a random guess. I wrote
elsewhere that morality should be hypotheses about observed value.
If a moral system makes a prediction "It will be better if...",
that can be tested, and is falsifiable in the same way as a prediction
"This drug will relieve pain..."
# People's *ideas* about the age of object X are *not* objective;
#you can have any idea you like, and I can't stop you. Universae and
#their ages is another ballgame; they are what they are, and if you
#dislike some detail of them, that's a problem with your *opinion* of
#them.
Sure. Assume an objective reality, and you get statements like this.
#I claim that morality is an opinion of ours, and as such
#subjective and individual. If I'm wrong, then some more-or-less
#objectively "real" thing exists, which you label "objective morality";
#can you back up this positive claim of existence?
Can you back up your positive claim above? No. That's because it's an
assumption. I make the same assumption about values, on the basis
that there is no logical difference between the two, and the empirical
basis of the two is precisely the same.
#># Point: Morals are, in essence, personal opinions. Usually
#>#(ideally) well-founded, motivated such, but nonetheless personal. The
#>#fact that a real large lot of people agree on some moral question,
#>#sometimes even for the same reason, does not make morals objective; it
#>#makes humans somewhat alike in their opinions on that moral question,
#>#which can be good for the evolution of a social species.
#>
#> And if a "real large lot" (nice phrase) of people agree that there is a
#> football on a desk, I'm supposed to see a logical difference between the two?
#> Perhaps you can explain the difference to me, since you seem to see it
#> so clearly.
#
# Take a look on the desk - i.e., perform a test. If(football) THEN
#(accept theory) ELSE DO (Tell people they're hallucinating).
#
# Now take a look at morality. See anything? If so, please inform me
#which way to look, and WHY to look that particular way, as opposed to
#some other. Get my drift?
No. Just look. Are you claiming never to know what good means?
#># *Science* is a whole other matter altogether.
#>
#> Says you. Prove that those who disagree are wrong?
#
# That's a simple(?) matter of proving the track record of the
#scientific method.
I think it's great, and should be applied to values. I may be completely
wrong, but that's what I conclude as a result of quite an amount of
thought.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr29.020537.4923@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
|> In article <C66IqC.99K.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
|>
|> >organization by trying to distribute Nazi propaganda. Furthermore,
|> >you attempt to rationalize this through crude stereotyping by pointing
|> >to the WTC bombing, in which Arab-Americans had no involvement.
|>
|> Huh? Mohamed Salimeh was perhaps a Korean? How do you claim
|> arab-americans had no involvement in the WTC bombing?
|>
|> Ok, his involvement is alleged by the FBI, which doesn't seem
|> to reliable these days. But honestly, there is a pile of evidence
|> pointing to them, and it seems those 5 were involved.
|>
|> This does not mean that all arab-americans were involved, nor
|> should they be blamed for it, but denying that there were some
|> arab-americans involved sounds sorta silly to me.
|>
|> Adam
I don't think any of the suspects were Americans. Consequently, they could
not be Arab-Americans.
Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a
polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing
information on the subject ?
Regards
Simon
| 1comp.graphics |
bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) writes:
>Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug
>or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised
>at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable,
>reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover.
I tend to disagree- I think anecdotal evidence, provided there is a lot of it,
and it is fairly consistent, will is very important. First, it points to the
necessity of doing a study, and second, it at least says that the effects are
all psychological (or possibly allergy in this case). As I've pointed out
before, pyschological effects are no less real than other effects. One
person's "make-believe" can easily be another person's reality. Using
psychadelic drugs in a bizarre and twisted example, the hallucinations one
person experiences on an acid trip cannot be guaranteed to another person on
an acid trip- there is no clinical evidence that those effects are always going
to happen. Anyhow, that was a pretty lame example, but hopefully I made my
point- it's all a matter of perception, and as long as someone ingesting MSG
perceives it as causing bad effects, then s/he can definitely experience those
affects. On the other hand, it could just be an allergy to the food it's in, or something. Still, anecdotal evidence is not worthless- it's the stuff that
leads to the study being done.
-Dan
| 13sci.med |
In article <brian-230493093710@hotspare.arc.nasa.gov> brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell) writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.204921.12644@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen
>Tobias) wrote:
>>
>> I live in the backyard of the folks who make the Stalker radar system. The
>> Valentine 1 has saved me many, many, many times from the stealth revenue
>> enhancement traps of the local area. I have had all the major brand detectors,
>> and, IMHO, nothing else even comes close to the V1!
>>
>
>I hadn't heard of the Valentine-1 before. Car&Driver and other auto
>magazines
>recommend BEL detectors. I was considering their latest - the 966STi -
>which picks up Super Wideband Ka and Laser as well. It also avoids
>radar detector detectors (although I really don't care about this since I
>doubt I'll be driving in Virginia anytime soon - or have any other states
>also made detectors iilegal?)
>
>How does the Valentine-1 compare with the BEL products?
>
>Brian Donnell
No comparison. The BEL is just a hooped up wideband Escort like detector.
No directional indicators, no Bogey counter, no radar signature analysis, no
remote display option, not as sensitive, not as well built.
Had it, sent it back!
AT
| 7rec.autos |
Does anyone know of a non-word password generator program
for PC's?? i.e. it will produce a nonsense word but still
be pronouncible. e.g. lisgollan
Wanted to "force" users to adopt more secure passwords,
but still be memorable!
Thanks - George Bolt
p.s. please email me as well if possible "george@psychmips.york.ac.uk"
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr30.083345.15696@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10511@nusunix1.nus.sg (RAM VIKASH TIWARY) writes:
> As the the peace talks resume in the Middle East, I would humbly
>like to make some personal observations as to their prospects of success
>or failure and what's at stake.
>
> The present talks were suspended for over 4 months after the
>Israeli expulsion of more the 400 palestinians for alleged links with
>the extremist Islamic organisation Hamas. The future of the talks was
>in the balance and their continuance was only guaranteed after some
>concessions by Israel. Now that all the parties are back to the
>negotiating table, the stakes as I see is are indeed high and the future
>stability of the region and perhaps the world is in the balance.
>
> The resumption of the talks was followed by a goodwill gesture
>by Israel involving the return of 30 exiled Palestinians from Jordan to
>the Occupied Territories. These, however were not the Palestinians
>expelled in December. The group constituted intellectuals and
>professionals who had been exiled after the '67 war for the political
>stand which was then regarded as dangerous.
>
> The choice of these Arabs, who support the peace talks,
>illustrates the dilemma now faced by Israel. Its erstwhile arch
>enemies, ie PLO and its backers now seem willing to talk peace while a
>new wave of Islamic fundamantalism sweeping the Middle East has seen the
>rise of an even more implacable foe under the banner of Hamas.
>
> While Israel continues to refuse to talk to the PLO, labelling
>it a "terrorist organisation", the window of opportunity for peace is
>narrowing by the day. If the present talks are allowed to deadlock
>without agreement for a long term and lasting peace that taken into
>account the interest of all involved, the chances of peace will indeed
>receed. The PLO, by its decision to rejoin the talks, has staked its
>reputation on the success of the talks. The longer the talks continue,
>and they started 1 and half years ago, without any tangible progress,
>the further will the PLO support in the territories erode.
>
> What is urgently needed is some dramatic gesture, worked out by
>Israel with US approval that could spur the peace process and force the
>Arabs and Palestinians to reciprocate. Vague promises as to interim
>government and return of territories is evidently too little too late to
>be any good. You might ask why must the Israelis and not the Arabs make
>the first substantive moves. The answer must lie in the tenous support
>at best that the talks receive among the mass of Arab people and the
>fact the Israel holds the most important cards, namely land.
>
>If a land for peace agreement can be reached, and real soon, the chances
>of a comprehensive peace treaty is good. The Arabs, once and for all,
>recognise Israel's right to exist inside secure borders, and Isreal
>would in turn recognise the legitimate right of the Palestinians to self
>deternimation and statehood. With peace guarantee by air tight
>treaties, the region can then hope to dwell on the economic and social
>well being of its population, rather than prepare for the next war.
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ram Vikash Tiwary - The alternative to peace is not
>Department of Civil Engineering war, it is annihilation.
>National University of Singapore
>eng10511@nusunix.sg
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
The Devil Reincarnate (ssave@ole.cdac.com) wrote:
: I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today
: have v engines.
: V4 - I don't know of any.
: V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6?
: V8 - Don't know of any.
: V12 - Jaguar XJS
: Please add to the list.
: Thanks,
: -S
: ssave@ole.cdac.com
| 7rec.autos |
Is their a pd/freeware hard drive utility that can handle
a compressed IDE drive without screwwing it up?
Need to document occasional failures in reading/writing,
check overall integrity of disk's hardware and sectors.
I believe that all of my problems with DOS/Windows can
be isolated to my drive. Getting occasional corrupted
files, even with smartdrive, 32 bit access turned off.
Had these problems under DOS 5. Only with drive C.
Drive D may have had one failure, but that file was
under the control of Win/Winword on drive C.
All utilities available to me report no problems.
DOS, NDD (NU4.5). Another symptom, SD took forever
on C, and kicked me out with a suspension till NDD run
6 to 8 times.
Thanks.
--
Mike Hayes |"Knowledge is good." - Faber College Motto
WWW |"Knowledge and Thoroughness" -Rensselear Poly Motto
Unemployed Tech, |"No, thank YOU!" -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races'
Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes:
>To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
>From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
>
>LM>> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away.
>LM>>
>LM>>LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of
>LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel.
>LM>>
>LM>>Life is not a "violation".
>
>LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation.
>
>Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that
>childs life is the ultimate violation.
I happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the
"violation" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb.
Your mileage may vary.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Request for opinions:
Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
1-pc is better protection,..."
Thanks in advance,
Nadine
| 8rec.motorcycles |
For those who are interested in Ray Traced pictures, there is a nice example
on alt.binaries.pictures.misc. The file is called Poolball.gif. It shows a
pooltable with... YES! ... poolballs!
Resolution: 1024x768, colours: 256 (only).
The TGA (24 bit) version is also available, but a bit big (2.4Mb) to post.
The picture is created with POV-ray.
Enjoy!
_Gerco_
__cgschot@cs.ruu.nl__
--
___________________________________
/ \
\___________________________________/
/_ Gerco Schot (cgschot@cs.ruu.nl) _\
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU ("The Logistician") writes:
>
>I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now only
>of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanx.
>
>--
>------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------
>| |
>| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! |
>-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------
Pierre Turgeon of NYI, and Paul Coffey of Detorit are both #77.
Hope this help.
Anson
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I'm looking for a printer driver for the Apple Imagewriter II. (This printer
is actually the same as a Citoh 8510.
--
Jim Littlefield "Only two things are infinite; the universe
<little@hks.com> and human stupidity, and I am not sure about
the former." -- Albert Einstein
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Hello fellow humans, and other net creatures...
If you're at all interested in this merchandise, please e-mail me:
djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
I'm compacting my system and moving to a single monitor system, so I have
two monitors and cards for sale. Nothing at all is wrong with these pieces,
I'm just wanting to conserve desk space, and get all of my info from one
screen.
I'd prefer to sell to people near Austin and surrounding areas (within
driving distance - like an hour away perhaps), but I CAN ship to you if you
don't live near here. Only problem is that I didn't keep the original boxes
for the monitors, but I'm confident that my few months of full-time service
in the shipping room will enable me to safely package the monitors and
flip it in your direction.
Details:
Mirror Full Page Display (monochrome) w/nubus card:
---------------------------------------------------
**SOLD**
Sony 1304 14" color monitor:
----------------------------
What's to say? It got top ratings in last year's MacUser report. It's a SONY,
Trinitron, arguably the best (but I'd rather not argue that point).
It's a great monitor, in great shape, but I'm going to a bigger screen,
and although I'd like to keep it, finances don't justify it.
Still selling for $599 at MacLand (where I bought it originally - not
including shipping), will sell for **$400** [was $475 orig. asking price]
(plus shipping). Again, make an offer if that sounds unreasonable.
RasterOps 24si (24-bit accelerated, hardware zoom/pan, 4 meg RAM):
------------------------------------------------------------------
Renamed the 24sx a few months after I bought it, this board is for 13"
monitors, providing **accelerated 24-bit**, hardware zoom/pan, NTSC mode
(you can plug it into something like the RasterOps Video Expander and output
NTSC), and 4 RAM slots that use 1 meg or 4 meg SIMMS for GWorld RAM, or a
RAM disk. Software included for such functions. 4 meg of RAM included (1 meg
SIMMS).
Selling for $605 at Bottom Line (without the RAM - add $100), I'm asking
**$425** [was $525 orig. asking price](shipping included this time,
it's just a card). Original box and packaging. I'd actually prefer to sell
the Sony monitor and this card together, so if you want both, drop me e-mail
and make a "bundled offer" for these items.
If you check the May 93 (or was it Feb 93) Macworld mag, you'll find that the
24sx (or 24si - same thing) board did extremely well in the tests for 13-14"
640 x 480 24-bit boards. Also supports up to 1120 (or so) x 512 in 24-bit, so
you can fit two pages width-wise via the scrolling desktop thang. It's a great
board, but I'm going to a 19" monitor, and it can't help me there.
------------
Cheers.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been:
djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student?
Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death?
Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer?
M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer?
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr19.154349.10382@cfmu.eurocontrol.be>, rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) writes...
>In article <C562Cq.FC7@ms.uky.edu> shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes:
>>
...stuff deleted
>>
>>1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490?
>>2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications
>> (such as SAS for unix).
>>3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS?
>>4. When will Windows NT be released?
>>5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more
>> info on Win NT?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Minghua Shan
>
>As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000
>series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support
>sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running "unix applications".
>You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read
>that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope
>this helps.
>
>Rajiev Gupta
>
>--
>Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer:
>rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views,
>Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies.
>Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium
According to the April issue of PC Magazine (pg. 139), and I quote,
"Eventually, Windows NT is likely to be ported to every successful RISC
architecture. PowerPC and HP's PA-RISC are the two most likely candidates,
with SPARC somewhat less likely because of Sun's relatively strong UNIX
software base."
later
bill
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I am looking for a package which takes as inputs a set
of geometric objects defined by unions of convex polytopes
specified in some manner, say by inequalities and equalities,
and determines in some reasonable form things like
intersections, unions, etc. etc..
Does anyone know where I can find such a thing?
Dan Naiman
Department of Mathematical Sciences
Johns Hopkins University
| 1comp.graphics |
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