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User:HAILTHECHIEF/Zimbabwe Telegraph
Zimbabwe Telegraph (www.zimTelegraph.com) is an internet Newspaper published in Zimbabwe, UK and Canada. It has a specialised focus on current events in Zimbabwe's politics ,social and economic developments. The Newspaper was first published in late 2008.
The Zimbabwe Telegraph's website is an aggregated news and opinion articles. The site covers a wide-range of topics, including sections devoted to politics, entertainment, media, health, law and business. Its team of regular bloggers include many people from Zimbabwe's politicians ,commentators, analysts to an extensive network of prominent opinion writers.
History Zimbabwe Telegraph was launched on 16 December, 2008 by 3MG Media as a news and current events publication focused on Zimbabwe Social, political and economic developments. 3MG Media ,also publishes of The Zimbabwe Daily News ( ZimDaily), Zimbabwe Tribune and Harare Tribune.
Contributors In addition to regular (often daily) news by its reporters and a regular team of contributors the Zimbabwe Telegraph has featured notable contributors from finance, politics, journalism, business, and entertainment. The Zimbabwe Telegraph offers both news commentary and coverage. It has a standing policy of encouraging comments from all parts of the political spectrum through its forum website co-hosted with its sister publication Zimbabwe Daily News. The forum is home to discussions on politics, religion, and world affairs.
A comprehensive list of contributors to the Zimbabwe Telegraph blog can be found at Contributors.
Circulation Zimbabwe Telegraph 's print edition 's circulation has been put on hold due to the economic conditions in Zimbabwe. However its website is popular, updated daily and accessible for free since December 2008.
Other information Zimbabwe Telegraph is known in its shortened form as the zimTelegraph. Zimbabwe Telegraph Together with The Zimbabwe Daily news host the Zimdailyforums which is a social forum for general discussions on events and developments in Zimbabwe. | WIKI |
'Parenthood': Life isn't fair – The Marquee Blog - CNN.com Blogs
Life was better for some Bravermans than others this week, and while it was definitely more upbeat than the last episode, there's still no happy dance party at the end. Jasmine wakes up next to Crosby, realizing her mom will be there with Jabbar. She proceeds to act like a child instead of a grown-a– woman who spent the night with the father of her child. So, she forces him to get up and run, while he's trying to discuss the situation. At least she didn't make him go out the window. Meanwhile, Zoe doesn't realize that she's not going to be able to be-bop in to chat with Julia after her baby daddy tried to sell their unborn kid over the main course. As expected, Julia tells her she needs some space, all while working the I refuse to cry at work face. Zoe goes to the house to try to explain her dumb boyfriend, but starting out with Troy is not a bad guy isn't the right move. Julia ends the conversation saying she would have been a great mom to Zoe's baby. Zoe comes back again, still in tears. She told Troy she didn't agree with what he was trying to do - and that would be trying to sell their baby - so he told her not to come home. She had nowhere to go but Julia and Joel's. Julia welcomes her in, even though Zoe warns her she has no idea what will happen with the adoption. Kristina is doing the serious passive aggressive thing with Adam, and since he was wrong, all he can do is take it. When Amber asks Crosby and Adam if they have any work for her at The Luncheonette, Kristina overhears and is quite snarky, saying they have a great assistant already. Crosby is having lunch with Sarah at the Luncheonette, talking about how great it would have been for Amber to work there. In one of the most awkward topic changes ever, Crosby spits out something like, speaking of Amber working here, I slept with Jasmine last week. They talk about the bond-with-your-ex-who-is-the-parent-of-your-child thing. In another sign Crosby's growing up, he tells Sarah he still isn't even sure if he wants things to be different. I think I like this new, more grown-up version of Crosby. Kristina stops by her new job to meet the team. She looks so happy to be there, and the candidate is thrilled to see her. He springs a Saturday meeting on her, which means she can't go with Max to the dinosaur exhibit. Adam can't take him, because he's got clients coming in to check out the studio. When Kristina tells him about the just-called meeting, he then says he would have appreciated a heads up. But about a just-called meeting? Is she supposed to be psychic now? She and Adam talk to Haddie about watching Max, but she says she can't....as if she gets to even say that. Adam starts negotiating with her and Kristina stops both of them, letting them know there's no negotiation about Haddie watching her brother. Max is upset about not being able to go to the dinosaur exhibit. He yells at Haddie that it's not fair he can't go after their parents broke their promise. She kicks him out so she can study. When she takes a break to check on him, he's gone. He hops on a bus headed for the museum, the route mapped out, but got lost. He ended up in Oakland. When the cops bring him back, Kristina is back home. She and Adam were just going to let Max stroll back in without saying anything to him, and it was Haddie's turn to lose it. She expected there to at least be a discussion. Apparently she'd been holding in how hard it is on her dealing with Max, and he doesn't think of anyone but himself. What did you think of Parenthood this week? Is Crosby finally getting the hang of acting like an adult and not a teen? Let us know in the comments. I love this show. It's one of the most intelligent choices out there because it portrays people as REAL. While Crosby is the traditional family screw-up, and Sarah is the recovering black sheep, and Julia is the good girl, and Adam is the fixer, they all have layers. Their personalities aren't love 'em or hate 'em. Like real people they struggle with their emotions, react badly to situations, say the wrong thing at the wrong time, get frustrated with their families. My only gripe is that while the improv script (following in the steps of Friday Night Lights) allows actors to sound more real in responding to situations, it also frequently slows down forward motion. Amber, especially, seems to falter frequently in coming up with unscripted response lines, and she and Sarah often trade meaningless speech for four or five lines before the action takes over again. I like that the show explores topics like Apergers and stay-at-home dads and the frustrations of aging women and biracial relationships. We viewers can never exacty predict what's going to happen next, and the mixture of pathos and comedy is exactly right. Great show about a real life family. The actors should be wining some awards for this year. I love this show. I really liked this weeks episode. I am glad to see Hattie breaking down. I do hope she gets a break though because Kristina and Adam do depend on her a lot more than they should. She's a teenager and should be allowed to be one without always having to care for her brother. I am genuinely thrilled that Adam and Kristina made up, as well as Jasmine and Crosby, and Kristina and Rachel because this time of year, things begin to take a different focus, and who wants to go into Thanksgiving and Christmas with everyone mad at each other. While that would possibly be realistic in the real world we live in, it would also be really depressing during the holidays. Amber needing a better job is a no brainer, but I'm so glad that Kristina gave her a chance. I really look forward to seeing how she handles this job since she messed up in season two with Julia. Although, it appears that her character is growing up a little more this season, which is a break from the heart wrenching scenes we watched Mae Whitman do as Amber last year. I cannot wait until this show comes back in January. After that though, seems like the season finale will be in February, where as last year I think it was May. I sure hope they aren't cancelling the show. My sister and some girlfriends and I have Parenthood Tuesday's where we snack, laugh, cry, and take in the Braverman life which sometimes reminds us of ourselves. This show has made us all closer... and without it, well.... I realize Max has Asperger's, but I'm just getting really sick of his character. Can they not get any more treatment for him? I mean he wasn't doing all that great with mainstreaming, but I guess they left him there. Isn't he supposed to have someone to work with to help him understand? I think it's irresponsible for family members to be pegged here and there to teach him when they have no instructional background on how to approach Max's Asperger's. Also, what's up with Amber looking like a troll in the show lately? Get her a better hair cut and clothes and have her working to do something better! Also, I'm really sick of Sara and her hot for teacher liasion. Really? I thought she was all up with Seth for the longest time and wanted to help him. Sometimes this show is so backward! I wish this show would show them coming together a little more as a family, not to view Zack's commercial either or watch Julia's kid meltdown. I seriously fall asleep sometimes out of boredom from these characters...I hope this show starts picking up a little more. P.S. I hoped they had lost Max for at least a few episodes! I LOVE LOVE LOVE this show. My family and I watch every Tuesday night. I understand that Max is playing the role of an autistic child however he is supposedly high functioning autistic. Where? It frustrates me that he get to be so dang bratty and he has no consequences. I mean he needs structure and discipline to become a well adjusted adult and not some a spoiled person who thinks the whole world revolves around him IMO. I thought the best part was how at the end, Kristina and Adam made up, and you left it out! O well, I thought it was time. I like how she also talked to Rachel and is ok with her too. I think Crosby & Jasmine belong together, but i know not everyone agrees. I mean, he did make a HUGE mistake, but now she has. I get was Crosby was trying to say about not telling Dr Joe, but that's not how I see relationships working out. I mean, you should always be honest, even if it's brutal like Jasmine telling Dr Joe about her sleeping with Crosby. He deserves to know the truth. He may forgive her if he were to find out. I have a bad feeling about Amber working with Kristina. I think that Zoe will end up letting Joel & Julia adopt, even if that is unlikely in the real world. This post is so random with my thoughts, but I love this show and have so much to say about it! I love this show altho it took a while to get used to all the different characters. I wonder tho if the kid who plays Max is really autistic. He plays the role phenomenally but is he just acting ? I need to look this up. I would think if he was really autistic, it would be difficult to work with him, remembering lines and placements. If he's not, he's an awesome actor. Michelle, I wondered the same thing about the actor as Max Braverman. Here's an interview with him:http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2010/11/09/parenthood/11084/He is just amazing in this role. Love this show. I do like 'the new' Crosby, but unfortunately, now there is no 'screw up' in the Braverman family😉. Unless you count Pa Braverman...who does make me laugh most of the time!!Tearing up moment for me was when Haddie went off on Max...the poor girl was due for a meltdown. I love the actor who plays Max (Max Burkholder)- he is just brilliant in this role. I appreciate that this program shows how a family deals with Aspergers. Just amazing.I still can't believe Kristina called hot-girl-at-Adams-workplace and just told her 'don't do that again.' Wow. That was surprising. I thought she was going to make Adam pay for that forever! I hope this show sticks around for several more seasons!! More people need to tune it in. It's just a wonderful show. Jasmine's behavior was great con firmation for Crosby about her mother's influence in her life and how she still isnt her own person.Haddie needs to file for emancipation from her parents – they consistently hold her responsible so they can go off without a care in the world – this child is long overdue for her own life – she isnt Max's parentGee a plot thread about Amber needing a better job..........*yawn* yeah like that's new and original THis show is great for a view into the life of a family with a child on the Autistic spectrum. It enables friends and family members who are unaware of the daily life struggles to peek into this reality. Kudos to the writers, actors and producers of this show! Does anybody know the last song played on the show? Name and who it's by? hi jeanette I couldn't watch Parenthood with my husband like we usually do since he decided to watch the Victoria Secret Model Show Why gays are the best parents? 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256
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256 is a Stack-based esoteric programming language made by Areallycoolusername. It was made for Code Golf, and it's a Turing tarpit.
Commands
256 has 4 commands. Each of these commands are integers, and they deal with input, output, loops, control flow, and the stack.
Commands Function
2 Reads input to the stack
5 Declares a variable
6 label for Goto
^ If statement
Specifics
On first glance, 256 looks highly imcomplete, and doesn't look viable for use in competitive golfing. However, this language has the few instructions it has to create new functions. Any character in the program that doesn't match one of these commands, or isn't an argument in one of these commands, is printed during execution. Commands and their arguments are separated by a semicolon.
2
The input commamd, 2, reads one character from the user, and pushes it to the top of the stack. This command doesn't need any parameters, in order to minimize program size. e.g: 2;
5
The variable command, 5, declares a variable. This command has 2 arguments. This first is the variable name, which can only be 1 byte in lenth, and can be any Unicode character. The variable name length being only 1 byte is arbitrary, and doesn't affect us Turing completeness of this language, as the name is just a shell. The thing that matters is The value. The second argument is the value, which can be an integer, string, character, or boolean. e.g: 5i99;
6
The label command, 6, is (arguably) the most essential command in this language. Without it, loops would not be allowed, and 256's use in competitive golfing would be nonexistent. In order to use this instruction, just put it anywhere in the program where you want to initiate a loop. Then, you can jump to it by calling 6 again, followed by what order that 6 is in. e.g:
6;h;61;6;e;62;
This program declares a 6. It is the first 6 in the program, so in order to jump to it, you have to declare 6 again, followed by a 1. This is done after the character "h" is printed. Another 6 is declared. It's the second 6 in the program, so in order to jump to it, a 6 has to be declared, followed by a 2. This is done after the character "e", is printed. However, the program will.never get past the first jump instruction, as the program has entered an infinite loop. So "h" is printed indefinitely.
^
The if statement, ^, is the fourth and last command in 256. When used, it must be followed by a condition, another ^ to tell the program what to do it the condition is met, and, optionally, another ^ to tell the program what to do otherwise. e.g:
5z99;6;^z>0^z;z--;61;^62;6
This program declares the variable z, with value 99. It then checks if a is more than 0. If it is, then z is printed, decremented, and the program jumps back to the start of the if statement. Otherwise, the program jumps to the second 6 I. The program, and halts.
Computational class
256 is Turing complete, as it can enter an infinite loop, and the stack is unbounded. Due to its use of only 4 commands, this language can also be considered a Turing tarpit.
Examples
Here are examples of popular problems in 256. Each example has the amount of bytes used in each program, in order to prove that 256 can still be used in competitive golfing.
Hello World Program
13 bytes in total.
Hello, world!
Truth Machine
18 bytes in total.
5i;2;^i=1^1^6;0;61
When a variable has the command 2 as it's value, it must be separated by a semicolon.
Infinite Loop
4 bytes in total.
6;61
Unofficial instructions
Due to 256's extreme simplicity, a program is very hard to golf in.
Integers instruction; i.e. the Looping counter (integers from top of stack down to 0), 25 28 bytes
5i12;6;i>0^i;i>0^5ii-1;2;61;
Call this instruction by typing ι; as an instruction. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Banjee
The result was speedy keep as an obviously disruptive, bad faith nomination. Whatever issues this article may have, to allow THIS particular discussion to continue any further would be a discredit to the project. The nominator started this discussion on his third edit, and there is strong evidence that the delete !=votes are socks of the nominator. Accordingly, the nominator and all socks are blocked indefinitely. Blueboy96 03:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Banjee
* – (View AfD) (View log)
(no credible claims of notability whatsoever).
"The 1999 play Banjee, written by playwright A.B. Lugo, presented at the Milagro Theater/Clemente Soto Vélez Cultural and Educational Center (and in another NYC venue in 2004), is "the story of Angel (played by Indio Meléndez), a straight homeboy, and Tony (played by Will Sierra), an admittedly bi banjee, who've known each other since childhood." Banjee is used in the gay lifestyle but I noticed that there is a bit of self promotion. I have heard of the film Paris is Burning and the term Banjee was used but a play by the same name does not exist. I searched the internet broadway database and no such play exists. It's sounds as if it were an amateur production or a high school production somewhere. The actors in the production are not even listed as professional actors nor is the playwrite AB Lugo listed as a professional playwrite anywhere. It says that this play premiered at another NYC venue. Which one? I think this is a vandal who is self promoting and does not qualify as having nobility. Therefore, I nominate this entry to be deleted and the page should be adjusted. (Beetleguice (talk) 01:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC) — Beetleguice (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* Comment Malformed listing fixed; afd tag added to article. I am neutral. Tim Song (talk) 01:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
* Comment Article should be edited. Why the word Banjee? The bit about the 1999 play Banjee seems like self promotion. Ultimately violates wikipedias notability factor. Delete immediately. There shouldn't be any articles that include self promotion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Penumbraborealis (talk • contribs) 02:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC) — Penumbraborealis (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* CommentWhat's notable about a play at a community center that has no stars or real actors or by a published playright attached. I can't find anything about the show, play, nothing. This appears to be a hoax. Should be deleted and blocked. Overdarainbow (Overdarainbow (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)) — Overdarainbow (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* CommentArticle should be edited not deleted entirely. The self promotion bit should be deleted. The playright and actors are not notable. Neither is the performance space. Seems like a one act produced as a showcase somewhere. Delete. Gorrillasindamist (Gorrillasindamist (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)) — Gorrillasindamist (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* Comment Seems like there is a bit of a feud going on between users: <IP_ADDRESS>, Ronald Backardy, Tainotalisman, Tainotalisman8, Benjiboi and <IP_ADDRESS>. I suspect that there is sockpuppetry going on with <IP_ADDRESS>, Ronald Backardy, Tainotalisman. Wikipedia shouldn't allow this nonsense to continue and all involved should be blocked indefinitely. I do agree that the play Banjee with its playright and actors are not notable enough to be included in wikipedias encyclopedia. I can see if this were a broadway or a union production but it seems as if no play exists other than for the purpose of self promotion. Delete at once and block all parties immediately involved in this nonsense. THE END!! (User:Donaldhennessey) (Donaldhennessey (talk) 02:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)) — Donaldhennessey (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
* Comment Unfortunately, there is a feud going on, but it is not on my end. I have been cyberharassed by an Azayas4reel on Wikipedia. He has been banned under that name (as well as under two other sock puppets). I have not spoken to this man in months, but he continues to harass me and vandalize Wikipedia. For the record, the play Banjee was done off-off-Broadway (in 1999 and in 2004). It merited a review in the Village Voice (which is noted in the Wikipedia article). I did not put that information in the article. If one checks the history, it was done by someone else. I also suspect that Azayas4reel is also Penumbraborealis, Overdarainbow, Gorrillasindamist and Donaldhennessey [sic]. Since understanding Wikipedia's terms of use, I have been an editor who has not broken the rules. It is unfortunate that Azayas4reel feels the need to continue this nonsense. I have not spoken to him at all and yet he continues on his end. I just want the harassment to cease and I have e-mailed several administrators to hopefully put an end to this mess. Ronald Backardy (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)Ronald Backardy
* Speedy Keep and a liberal application of the blockhammer. Crafty (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
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In 1781 the British astronomer, William Herschel, was doing a survey of all the stars. He noticed an unusual piece of matter in the sky. He later discovered that the matter was the planet Uranus. Since that discovery there has been other discoveries concerning the planet. One of these discoveries has been the discovery of two irregular moons.
In March of 1781 William Herschel, a musician and amateur astronomer discovered what would eventually be called “Uranus.” He discovered what he initially thought was a comet, while looking for what he called double stars. He ended up finding Uranus as it passed by one of the stars he was looking at. He recorded is in a journal, and after a few days looked for it again. He was able to see that it was moving and that it appeared to have an orbit. He contacted some friends of his that were astronomers and gave them the work that had done and wanted to them to explore it further than he could. They ended up finding the same thing and also classifying it as a comet, probably a comet called 1770, and congratulating him on his discovery. It wasn’t
William Herschel was a musician and an astronomer. The motivation that drove William Herschel to the discovery of Uranus was his obsession with astronomy and the heavens. He charted the stars with a telescope he built himself, he then discovered a “comet” which really was the planet Uranus, but he initially didn’t realize it. He noticed the “comet” had moved and decided that his annotations on the position of the “comet” had been written down incorrectly. Herschel wanted to know the dimensions, and position of the “comet”. He carefully measured the location and diameter of the comet for some time and discovered its journey as parallax to “our side of the sun” on a daily basis. In 1782 Herschel finally called the comet his planet. The knowledge
Sir William Herschel accomplished a lot for astronomy. In 1781 he was able to discover Uranus with his own homemade telescope. With the help of his sister, he was also able to discover over 2,500 celestial bodies that are still being used today. It was the first planet discovered that could not be seen with the naked eye. Herschel wanted to name it after the king, but other astronomers did not agree. So they named it
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William Herschel was an astronomer and telescope maker. It was through one of his telescopes, in March of 1781, that he discovered Uranus. Initially he believed, as other astronomers of his day, that Uranus was a comet. As he continued to observe the planet over the next four days he came to the conclusion that the planet did not have the same motion as a comet. After months of observation, he was able to chart its orbital path which would double the size of the known solar system at that time. Because of William Herschel’s discovery he opened up the heavens with his proof that there was much more to our solar system than was believed at that time. William Herschel discovered more that Uranus, he gave shape to the Milky Way, he discovered
The discovery of Uranus by William Herschel in 1781 was a surprise to the professional astronomers of the day. William was an amateur astronomer and he made his own telescopes. He was looking at the night sky and he was looking at what others had noted was another star. With his better equipment, he could see that it was not a star but a planet. He wanted to name the planet after King George III of England. It was decided that is was going to be named after the Greek gods. It got the name of Uranus who was the father of Saturn according to mythology. It took a few years for that name to stick but when it did, the rest was history. William did get a paid as a professional astronomer after his discovery. That is good advice for all of us: Do
Herschel just happened to be studying the stars between 10-11pm. What he did not expect was to find a planet on that fateful night. Herschel thought that what he had spotted was a big star, but then decided that it was a comet. However, he quickly realized that this was no star, it was much more! In this situation, technology made all the difference. Without these high-powered magnifiers, it would have been easily forgotten. Once he formed a hypothesis, how tried to figure out what the planet was not. It was much larger than the other planets. Once he realized that this was an actual planet, he wrote a letter to his colleague about it. This was an exciting discovery for 1787! It was the first planet to be discovered in a more modern
William Herschel didn’t start out his life and career interested in space and the stars. He started as a music teacher and musician. He was in his 30s before he started asking questions and looking at the stars. I think Herschel’s motivation came from wanting to learn more about the world around him and reading. While Herschel was still a musician, he read “Opticks by Robert Smith”1. In the books last few chapters, Smith talked about “Telescopial
On October 9, Penn IUR and the Department of Africana Studies hosted an Urban Book talk with Onoso Imoagene, Assistant Professor of Sociology, on her book, Beyond Expectations: Second-Generation Nigerians in the United States and Britain. The book examines the multifaceted identities of second-generation Nigerian adults in the United State and Britain. After interviewing over 150 people, Imoagene argues that second-generation Nigerians compose an alternative notion of “black” identity that is different from an African American or Black Caribbean notion. These apprehensible distinctions represent both group’s complex relationships on questions of self identity, as well as ethnic and class consciousness.
The expectancy theory of motivation has become an increasingly popular model for predicting work performance and job preference. The empirical tests of this model have typically employed correlation analysis to
The expectation is the root cause of every suffering. We blame the world for all of our sufferings. But, the world is as it should be. We create every game in our mind. We create expectations and ultimately face disappointment.
William Raspberry is a late American public affairs columnist, author, and professor who was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for his columns in The Washington Post. Raspberry’s style is distinguished by specific-to-general organizational structure, rhetorical questions, engaging ideas and events, strong appeal to his credibility and open-ended conclusions. Raspberry’s columns “Our Lost Community”, “Two Storms, Ample Warning”, and “The Price of Low Expectations”, demonstrate his everlasting style on society. | FINEWEB-EDU |
Important Notice: ElephantSQL is shutting down. Read all about it in our End of Life Announcement
The recommended way to connect to postgres is via the jdbc client. Remember that you need to put the jdbc jar into your CLASS_PATH.
Good information about the connection string (connection URL), and information about how to initializing the driver can be found here.
//paste this into a file called Postgres.java
import java.sql.*;
public class Postgres {
public static void main(String[] args) {
try {
Class.forName("org.postgresql.Driver");
}
catch (java.lang.ClassNotFoundException e) {
System.out.println(e.getMessage());
}
String url = "jdbc:postgresql://host:port/database";
String username = "database";
String password = "password";
try {
Connection db = DriverManager.getConnection(url, username, password);
Statement st = db.createStatement();
ResultSet rs = st.executeQuery("SELECT * FROM people");
while (rs.next()) {
System.out.print("Column 1 returned ");
System.out.println(rs.getString(2));
System.out.print("Column 2 returned ");
System.out.println(rs.getString(3));
}
rs.close();
st.close();
}
catch (java.sql.SQLException e) {
System.out.println(e.getMessage());
}
}
}
Java Spring
If you are using Spring, add org.postgresql and org.springframework spring-jdbc as dependencies.
<dependency>
<groupId>org.postgresql</groupId>
<artifactId>postgresql</artifactId>
<version>9.4-1201-jdbc4</version>
</dependency>
<dependency>
<groupId>org.springframework</groupId>
<artifactId>spring-jdbc</artifactId>
<version>4.0.0.RELEASE</version>
</dependency>
This example will use a context.txt file including connection information. Add this bean to beans in your created context.txt.
<bean id="dataSource" class="org.springframework.jdbc.datasource.DriverManagerDataSource">
<property name="driverClassName" value="org.postgresql.Driver"/>
<property name="url" value="jdbc:postgresql://hostname:5432/username"/>
<property name="username" value="username"/>
<property name="password" value="password"/>
</bean>
The DataSource uses the information from the context file to connect to ElephantSQL. The code in this example will create a table called elephant and insert some example data. It will then ask for the data with id = 2 and print it to the console.
import javax.sql.DataSource;
import org.springframework.context.ApplicationContext;
import org.springframework.context.support.ClassPathXmlApplicationContext;
import org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate;
public class SimpleElephantSQLExample
{
public static void main(String []args)
{
ApplicationContext applicationContext = new ClassPathXmlApplicationContext("context.xml");
DataSource ds = (DataSource)applicationContext.getBean("dataSource");
JdbcTemplate jt = new JdbcTemplate(ds);
jt.execute("create table elephant (id int, name varchar)");
jt.execute("insert into elephant (id, name) values (1, 'elephant_1')");
jt.execute("insert into elephant (id, name) values (2, 'elephant_2')");
Object[] parameters = new Object[] {new Integer(2)};
Object o = jt.queryForObject("select name from elephant where id = ?",
parameters, String.class);
System.out.println((String)o);
}
} | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
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* I think I can see my house from here! Logfromblammo (talk) 22:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC) | WIKI |
Installing the EZ-EFI couldn’t be “ezier” with the exception of the coolant temperature and the O2 sensors, all the others come installed in the throttle body. The wiring harness is clearly labeled and the Electronic Control Unit, or ECU, is compact making it easy to find a mounting location. A new high-pressure fuel pump is required, and in our case plumbing dual fuel tanks does complicate things a bit, but we’ll show all that when we install the engine.
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Bladon aeroplane crash
The result was delete. While there were a couple users who argued for merging, it seems consensus pointed to deleting instead. This debate was an interesting read, and both sides brought up decent points, but I felt overall that the deletion advocates' arguments were more grounded in policy. So, in summary, deleting per WP:AIRCRASH and WP:NEWSEVENT. I have no problem with the article being recreated after more details emerge, iff those details make this crash special or significant. As always, bring any disputes concerning this closure to User talk:The Earwig. — The Earwig @ 02:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
2010 Bladon aeroplane crash
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I normally wouldn't nominate an article so soon after the event, but this just is not a notable accident. Sadly, it is quite a common situation. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* I disagree. The investigation has not been conducted and notable aircraft defects or problems could be found and the article could be a useful reference. Considering the number of media reports and the rarity of air crashes in Oxfordshire I would leave this anyway. Macintosher (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete Not notable per WP:NEWSEVENT. Ipoellet (talk) 20:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Transwiki: Would it be appropriate to transfer this to Wikinews? (I'm not very familiar with Wikinews, so am unsure of its criteria for inclusion.) --Deskford (talk) 23:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* No. Over at WN we don't write in an encyclopedic style, so it would need rewritten from scratch anyway, plus the licenses aren't suitable - it would be a copyvio. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 23:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* OK. Then I would have to say delete; this doesn't seem to be an event notable enough for coverage in WP. --Deskford (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete -- Yet another NN aviation incident, involving a light aircraft. Why does every aircrash get an article and virtually never a road crash? WP:NOTNEWS. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete per nom. Fatal light aircraft crashes are an unfortunately frequent occurrence. When the investigation is concluded, at that point we might be able to conclude that this particular crash is notable but not until then. Adambro (talk) 00:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete. Fails WP:AIRCRASH, mostly speculation, and of that which is cited almost all is general news reporting with bits of more specialist fire service reporting mixed in. Based on the information available at the moment, the absolute most coverage this event deserves on Wikipedia is a statement on the Oxford airport article that it happened (and even that might be pushing it). Thryduulf (talk) 01:23, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete -sorry. At it stands it’s a good article which might sit well on a news or special interest site, but doesn’t look at home on Wikipedia. Firstly, in my view it is rather soon after the incident, and may inadvertently distress the people involved. Secondly, there is not enough concrete data to work with, and we cannot yet know that the incident is notable. Perhaps it could stay as a draft on a user page. SkyeWaye (talk) 01:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Agree that the Merge idea seems a good one, as this incident is notable for Bladon, and looks in keeping within that article. A draft user page would keep the item in readiness should it prove notable, after the AAIB investigation. It’s usually up to the AAIB to establish the facts, at least to the level which is useful on Wikipedia: and this will take a while.SkyeWaye (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete Sorry, Macintosher, but I'm going to go with the majority here and say that it lacks enough notability for a stand-alone article, although the mention at London Oxford Airport should definitely remain; most airport articles have an "accidents and incidents" section for something like this. C628 (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Merge to Bladon - as that community is not likely to have had many crashes, so it might be locally notable. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 07:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Merge to Bladon - Agreed that it should stay as a draft and possibly be transferred to the Bladon article where there's already a link. Oxford Airport isn't proven to be of any special interest, but it did occur in Bladon. Macintosher (talk) 09:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Strong Keep - This is an aircraft crash that claimed victimes lives! It's got enough news reports, it's likely to be dicussed for a while on the news and has plent of resources. Zaps93 (talk) 15:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete - I don't think there is enough notability in this article. It was not that a big crash. 2 lives is almost nothing. So I say delete.--Heymid (talk) 17:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* That is disrespectful, your practically saying their lives ment nothing. Zaps93 (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Thank you for your support of this article, however, we must consider that sadly many crashes do happen and information should be placed strategically in other, more notable articles. I personally would like it to stay on WP in its own right, but I am not an administrator. I shall make sure that a draft or part of article is kept up to date. I think this is respectful. Macintosher (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* As I said on your talk, I'll make sure you get a copy if this is deleted. Some more support has come in, see below - I copied it from this page's talk. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I say do not delete as this is an uncommon incident in UK air safety history:
* There are very few light aircraft crashes in the uk (contrary to other comment).
* This was in rare and extreme weather conditions for UK
* There 'may' be water-in-fuel (engines reported as 'stopped' whilst in service) or other mechanical reasons for accident that will only be shown by Farnborough team investigation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk • contribs)
I would refer to the above unsigned user to what we have said above, and I hope this positive contribution will assist when it's decided what information to preserve and whereabouts on WP. The information should be available in one form or another based on what Blood Red Sandman has said above. Macintosher (talk) 19:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
* Merge into the Bladon article, where this event can be adequately covered. Per WP:AIRCRASH, there is currently nothing to indicate that this artilce is worthy of a stand-alone article. No prejudice to re-creation if it subsequently emerges that WP:AIRCRASH criteria can be met. Mjroots (talk) 07:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
* Reply to Zaps93: I am very sorry. I really have to be careful for what I am writing to the public. I promise to be more careful next time. What I ment was the same as one of the previous writers, that all plane crashes don't need an article, whether it is notable or not.--Heymid (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
* Don't be, I over reacted, I now see what you meant. My appologies aswell. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 12:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete a non-notable light-aircraft accident which are not that rare despite the comments, probably not that notable to Bladon either as the field is close to the airport not the village. MilborneOne (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
* Perhaps a mention could be made in the London Oxford Airport article then. Macintosher (talk) 16:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
* Keep: This is an aircraft crash is notable. - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
* Please explain why you consider this crash to be notable. Adambro (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
* Delete This happened less than 15 miles from me, very sad and the cause is a mystery at the moment. The AAIB report will take about four months to release, article could be resurrected if some new and unusual form of crashing is discovered. Did not affect the residents of Bladon (not he first aircraft out of Kidlington to crash into a field shortly after take-off) and should not be recorded under the Oxford airport article either. Fails WP:AIRCRASH. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 02:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
* Piper PA-31 incidents are rare so in any case it seems a WP mention should be kept. Anyway, I find it unusual for you not to take a more careful approach to preserving your local history! I suppose that's up to you, but should this happen near me I would make sure some data was kept on WP. Your decision as to your duty, I suppose. Macintosher (talk) 21:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
* Thirteen fatal PA-31 accidents in the last four years just in the United States doesnt sound that rare an occurance. MilborneOne (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
* Two are listed other than this on the PA-31 WP page and there is no link as of yet, so this could be a unique incident in terms of the WP record. Plus, considering the fact that 2044 PA-31s were built that's very few crashes per year - just over 3 a year on average. By contrast, the Boeing 747 (not a plane in the same class, but a useful widespread indicator, has 3 crashes a year on average, and I think they would be rare enough incidents for Wikipedia articles. Many of these did not incur fatalities, so if that many 747 incidents could be covered, why not an unexplained PA-31 incident? Macintosher (talk) 18:21, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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Rh. For they say, in speaking of the infallible teaching of the Roman Pontiff, that after the solemn decision formulated in the Vatican Council, there is no more need of solicitude in that regard, and, because of its being now out of dispute, a wider field of thought and action is thrown open to individuals. A preposterous method of arguing, surely. For if anything is suggested by the infallible teaching of the Church, it is certainly that no one should wish to withdraw from it; nay, that all should strive to be thoroughly imbued with and be guided by its spirit, so as to be the more easily preserved from any private error whatsoever. To this we may add that those who argue in that wise quite set aside the wisdom and providence of God; who when He desired in that very solemn decision to affirm the authority and teaching office of the Apostolic See, desired it especially in order the more efficaciously to guard the minds of Catholics from the dangers of the present times. The license which is commonly confounded with liberty; the passion for saying and reviling everything; the habit of thinking and of expressing everything in print, have cast such deep shadows on men’s minds, that there is now greater utility and necessity for this office of teaching than ever before, lest men should be drawn away from conscience and duty. It is far, indeed, from Our intention to repudiate all that the genius of the time begets; nay, rather, whatever the search for truth attains, or the effort after good achieves, will always be welcome by Us, for it increases the patrimony of doctrine and enlarges the limits of public prosperity. But all this, to possess real utility, should thrive without setting aside the authority and wisdom of the Church.
We come now in due course to what are adduced as consequences from the opinions which We have touched upon; in which if the intention seem not wrong, as We believe, the things themselves assuredly will not appear by any means free from suspicion. For, in the first place, all external guidance is rejected as superfluous, nay even | WIKI |
Metal Stocks' Q3 Earnings to Watch on Oct 19: VMI, KALU
The third-quarter earnings season is in its early stage with 34 companies on the S&P 500 index having reported their quarterly numbers thus far. The growth picture is tepid as Q3 earnings are expected to take a dip despite an impressive start by major banks.
Per the latest Earnings Preview report, factoring in the actual results from the S&P 500 members that reported till last Friday, total Q3 earnings are expected to fall 2.2% year over year while revenues are expected to rise 1.5%.
This, if it happens, will mark the sixth straight quarter of earnings decline for the benchmark index. The Energy sector is likely to play spoilsport with its total earnings forecast to plunge 71.9% year over year on 11% lower revenues.
In this write-up, we put the spotlight on a couple of metal companies that are schedule to report on Oct 19. The metal industry falls under the broader Basic Materials sector. Among the eight out of the 16 Zacks sectors expected to see a fall in earnings this reporting cycle, the Basic Materials sector is one as it is projected to witness an earnings decline of 1.5% on 3.1% lower sales.
We take a sneak peek at two metal companies that are gearing up to report their third-quarter results on Wednesday, Oct 19.
Valmont Industries, Inc.VMI , slated to report after the close, has an Earnings ESP of 0.00% as both the Most Accurate estimate and the Zacks Consensus Estimate stand at $1.50. The company carries a favorable Zacks Rank #3 (Hold), but its 0.00% ESP makes surprise prediction difficult. You can see the complete list of today's Zacks #1 Rank (Strong Buy) stocks here.
Notably, Valmont delivered an average positive surprise of 5.25% in the trailing four quarters. While the prevailing external environment remains challenging for Valmont, the company's results should benefit from its restructuring actions, acquisitions, cost management and focus on operational improvements. Restructuring actions that the company executed last year and other cost-saving measures are also expected to support its earnings in Q3.
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Kaiser Aluminum CorporationKALU , which will report after the bell, has an Earnings ESP of 0.00% as both the Most Accurate estimate and the Zacks Consensus Estimate stand at $1.23. The company carries a Zacks Rank #4 (Sell), which we caution against ahead of an earnings release.
Kaiser Aluminum missed the Zacks Consensus Estimate in three of the trailing four quarters with an average negative surprise of 16.76%.
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Mark Stacey
Mark Stacey (born 23 September 1964) is a Welsh valuer and auctioneer. He is also a TV personality and has made regular appearances on BBC programmes as an antique expert.
Biography and professional career
Stacey was born in Neath, Glamorgan, South Wales. He moved to London and worked for the Bonhams and Sotheby's auction houses. He then became head of Decorative Arts and later Director of Hamptons/Dreweatt Neate Fine Art.
Stacey has made regular appearances as an antiques expert on the BBC programmes Bargain Hunt, Flog It!, Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is and Antiques Road Trip. In June 2009 Stacey took part in a light-hearted interview on the BBC lunchtime programme The Daily Politics where he was asked advice about the value of items owned by famous people, in the wake of the UK Parliament's expenses scandal.
In 2011 Stacey opened an antiques shop in Kemptown, Brighton, East Sussex.
In 2014 Stacey became an auctioneer and valuer with Reeman Dansie auctioneers in Colchester, Essex. While there, he found an ancient Egyptian sarcophagus, propped up in an Essex house, which sold for £13,500.
Personal life
Stacey has one brother and two sisters. He worked as a residential social worker before entering the antiques trade, initially as a dealer before working with several auction houses. Stacey is a talented organist and occasionally plays at his local Methodist church. He gave an interview in the October 1997 edition of Organists' Review. | WIKI |
Ana Navarro: Republicans are ‘cowards’ for not standing up to Trump | TheHill
Republican strategist Ana Navarro on Wednesday slammed Republican lawmakers as "cowards" for not standing up to President TrumpDonald John TrumpFacebook releases audit on conservative bias claims Harry Reid: 'Decriminalizing border crossings is not something that should be at the top of the list' Recessions happen when presidents overlook key problems MORE. Navarro, a CNN contributor, said on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time" that the GOP is filled with members who are afraid to speak out against the president out of fear of losing a reelection and that it is "sad time" for the party. "What you’ve got is a group of folks in Congress, a lot of them in the Republican party, who are quaking in their boots. They are cowards," she said. Navarro's comments also come on the heels of Rep. Mark Sanford's (R-S.C.) defeat in a South Carolina GOP primary. Sanford repeatedly criticized Trump, and his opponent used that as an issue in the primary. Trump ripped into Sanford while supporting his rival on Tuesday afternoon as voters continued to go to the polls. Navarro said Republicans are afraid to speak out against Trump because of the consequences. She mentioned both Sanford and Sen. Jeff FlakeJeffrey (Jeff) Lane FlakeArpaio considering running for former sheriff job after Trump pardon Overnight Energy: Warren edges past Sanders in poll of climate-focused voters | Carbon tax shows new signs of life | Greens fuming at Trump plans for development at Bears Ears monument Carbon tax shows new signs of life in Congress MORE (R-Ariz.), a frequent Trump critic who didn't run for reelection after polls showed he faced a difficult race. "They are afraid to speak up because they are afraid to run the same fate, to face the same fate as a Mark SanfordMarshall (Mark) Clement SanfordScaramucci assembling team of former Cabinet members to speak out against Trump Sunday shows - Recession fears dominate Possible GOP challenger says Trump doesn't deserve reelection, but would vote for him over Democrat MORE or a Jeff Flake," Navarro said. Navarro made the comments in the context of a conversation about Virginia Senate candidate Corey Stewart's (R) primary victory on Tuesday. Stewart, who received a congratulatory message on Twitter from Trump after the primary, has ties to two notable white nationalists and has drawn increasing scrutiny because of it. The campaign arm for Senate Republicans has indicated it will not offer any support to Stewart in his campaign and will instead focus on other races. Navarro, a frequent of critic of the GOP under Trump, said she was appalled by Stewart's win in the primary. She also mentioned that it's a "sad time" because the party has had candidates over the past couple years who have been accused of being pedophiles and neo-Nazis. "You know, it’s a hard time," she said. "I will tell you it’s a sad time." View the discussion thread. The Hill 1625 K Street, NW Suite 900 Washington DC 20006 | 202-628-8500 tel | 202-628-8503 fax The contents of this site are ©2019 Capitol Hill Publishing Corp., a subsidiary of News Communications, Inc. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
User:Oceanflynn/sandbox/Concentration of media ownership (Canada)
Concentration of media ownership (Canada) has historical roots in its earliest newspapers. While the government-ownedCanadian Broadcasting Corporation has diverse mix of over-the-air television, cable television, radio, newspaper, magazine, and/or internet operations, by 2020, Bell, Corus, Rogers, Quebecor, Postmedia Network, and Shaw, where private enterprise ownership is concentrated. Other smaller media companies included CTVglobemedia, Astral Media, Canwest Global, CHUM Limited, Standard Broadcasting, Osprey Media, Alliance Atlantis, and City, which are subject to takeovers and/or mergers.
Media ownership in the early years
One of the largest media corporations of the 20th century traces its origins to Joseph E. Atkinson, who, in 1898—then a thirty-four year old journalist—was appointed as editor of the Evening Star, a paper purchased by supporters of then Prime Minister Sir Wilfrid Laurier as a vehicle for promoting his premiership. Although, Atkinson said the paper, under its new name—the Toronto Daily Star —"would be independent of any political party", under his direction the paper focused on the "interest and cares" of "ordinary working people". This included championing the mothers' allowances, unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, minimum wage, labour unions, and the "first phases" of Canada's national health plan. In effect, through the Star, Atkinson contributed to the development of "Canada's modern welfare system". The name of the newspaper was changed to the The Star Weekly. Upon his death, on May 8, 1948, through his will, ownership of the Star passed to the Atkinson Charitable Foundation, under the direction of five trustees—J.S. Atkinson, Ruth Atkinson Hindmarsh, W.J. Campbell, Dr. B.M. Thall and Beland Honderich. A new law enacted in Ontario in 1949, the Charitable Gifts Act forced the charity to change its structure. Through the, Act, a limit of was placed on the amount of business interests a charity could hold, before it would lost their charitable status. In 1956, the year the Act came into effect, the five trustees of the Atkinson Foundation purchased the Star for over $CDN25 million. In 1976, the Atkinson, Hindmarsh, Campbell, Thall and Honderich established Toronto Star holding company and incorporated it as Torstar Corporation in 1977. The Toronto Star became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Torstar.
In 1990, 17.3% of daily newspapers were independently owned.
A number of media corporate mergers and takeovers occurred between 1990 and 2005 in Canada.
In March 2003, the Senate Standing Committee on Transport and Communications launched a study of Canadian news media. Recommendations by both the Davey Commission (1970) and the Kent Commission (1981), were not "implemented in any meaningful way."
A 2018 list compiled by News Media Canada (NMC), includes the organizations that owned Canada's ninety daily newspapers: Black Press, Brunswick News Inc., Continental Newspapers Canada Ltd., FP Canadian Newspapers LP, Glacier Media, Glacier Media/Alta Newspaper Group LP., Globe and Mail Inc., Groupe Capitales Médias, Postmedia Network Inc./Sun Media, Power Corp. of Canada, Quebecor, SaltWire Network Inc., Sing Tao Newspapers, TC Media, Torstar Corp., and Independents. | WIKI |
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Brotherhood of the Kingdom
The Brotherhood of the Kingdom was a group of the leading thinkers and advocates of the Social Gospel, founded in 1892 by Walter Rauschenbusch and Leighton Williams. The group was non-denominational, consisting of authors, pastors and orators from a variety of Christian Protestant backgrounds.
First meeting
The first meeting of the brotherhood took place in August, 1893 at the home of member Leighton Williams in Marlborough, New York. Meetings would continue annually until 1915 at this hill-top retreat, with members presenting papers, speeches and debates regarding the social gospel and how the coming kingdom of Jesus necessitated social advocacy on the part of the church.
Spirit and aims
At its first gathering, the brotherhood adopted a mission statement and eight principles to govern its organization, unity, purpose and ongoing commitment to public propagation for the social gospel. These they called the "Spirit and Aims of the Brotherhood."
The Spirit of God is moving men in our generation toward a better understanding of the idea of the Kingdom of God on earth. Obeying the thought of our Master, and trusting in the power and guidance of the Spirit, we form ourselves into a Brotherhood of the Kingdom, in order to re-establish this idea in the thought of the church, and to assist in its practical realization in the world.
Leadership
Through their positions as pastors and professors, four members of the brotherhood became the leading voices for its aims and social agenda. Walter Rauschenbusch was a professor of church history at Rochester Baptist Seminary. Leighton Williams was the pastor of Amity Baptist Church in New York City, and also a founding member of the American Economic Association. William Newton Clark was a professor of theology at Colgate Seminary. Samuel Zane Batten was a pastor and founding member of the Northern Baptist Convention.
Rauschenbusch was the most widely known of these four, and published a leaflet entitled "The Brotherhood of the Kingdom" which was a sort of manifesto for the group. One passage reads:
We desire to see the Kingdom of God once more the great object of Christian preaching; the inspiration of Christian hymnology; the foundation of systematic theology; the enduring motive of evangelistic and missionary work; the religious inspiration of social work and the object to which a Christian man surrenders his life, and in that surrender saves it to eternal life; the common object in which all religious bodies find their unity; the great synthesis in which the regeneration of the spirit, the enlightenment of the intellect, the development of the body, the reform of political life, the sanctification of industrial life, and all that concerns the redemption of humanity shall be embraced.
Publications
The greatest influence of the brotherhood on the Social Gospel movement and intellectual thought was through the publications of its members. The first written work to come out of the group and attract broad attention was Samuel Zane Batten’s "The New Citizenship" published in 1898. This book won recognition and a $600 prize from the American Sunday School Union. It was written as the Social Gospel movement was beginning to align itself with a more liberal theology, and Batten’s aim may have been keeping the movement both socially relevant and grounded in mainstream Christian theology. He wrote:
Christianity is an earth religion, and has to do with the actual things and relations of everyday life, with such real things as homes and stores, factories, and counting rooms; with such real relationships as buying and selling, marrying and giving in marriage, voting and working. Christianity is an effort to transmute and transfigure the dust of our humanity and the life of our world into the righteousness of the living God. and "The Kingdom of God is all-inclusive and comprehends every interest and relation and activity of man."
Other notable publications of the brotherhood include Batten’s "The Christian State" (1909) and "The Social Task of Christianity" (1911), William Newton Clarke’s "The Ideal of Jesus" (1911), and Rauschenbusch’s "Christianizing the Social Order" (1912.) | WIKI |
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Slobodan Savić
Slobodan Savić (born in 1964) is a Serbian author, theatre critic, writer and journalist.
Biography
He graduated Literature and Theory of Literature from the University of Belgrade Faculty of Philology. His reviews and short prose works were published in Student, Vidici, Književna reč, Književne novine, Književni list, literary almanacs, emitted in radio and television programmes; his columns were published in leading journals and periodicals in the country. He has been an Editor and Editor in Chief of cultural programme on Radio Belgrade 2 for many years, and the author and mediator of the cult talk show Radio parliament (that was cancelled for 'political incorrectness' in 1995). He was Editor of literary journal Znak, literary Editor of magazine Profil, columnist and Editor of culture of a daily papers Glas javnosti. He was awarded by a journal Vidici and the winner of Annual award of Radio Television Belgrade. He is a screenwriter and author of numerous documentary TV films and series. The Editor in Department of Cultural and Artistic programme on Serbian Radio Television (Serbian Broadcasting Corporation, Belgrade). Initiator and author of the TV series Reading of the Theater. He is a member of the Association of Theatre Critics of Serbia (ITCA). He was born at Požarevac, grew up at Kostolac, lives and works in Belgrade for many years.
Awards
* Sterijino pozorje, Sterija Award for theater criticism in 2021, Novi Sad, 2021.
Works
* Kratka svetska priča (Short Stories Worldwide), selection of stories, publisher Braničevo, Požarevac, 1989),
* Zbog njih su mnogi gubili glavu (Many were crazy about them), publisher Evro, Belgrade, 2000,
* Istočno i zapadno od raja (East and West from Eden), publisher Laguna, Belgrade, 2007,
* Biljana Srbljanović, porodične i druge priče (Biljana Srbljanovic, family and other tales), publisher Knjaževsko-srpski teatar, City of Kragujevac, 2008.
Selection from TV series Reading of the Theater
TV series Reading of the Theater
* Novi pozorišni poredak (35 years of BITEF)
* Izgon iz komunističkog raja (Aleksandar Popović)
* Režija i angažman (Thomas Ostermeier)
* Amadeus režije (Jagoš Marković)
* Pozorište kao utočište (Goran Marković)
* Kroz istoriju i pozorište Srbije
* Porodične i druge priče, (Biljana Srbljanović)
* Život nije bajka (Milena Marković)
* Pozorište u dosluhu s vremenom (Egon Savin)
* Pozorište kao ogledalo istorije (Vida Ognjenović)
* Nepodnošljiva lakoća režije (Jerzy Mencl) | WIKI |
Template talk:Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site/Archive 1
Caption?
Can someone please edit this template to include a (non-compulsary) caption? Thanks. -Malkinann 23:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
WH Link
Does anyone oppose editing this template so that the WH Link appears to the right of the identification number and instead of showing the URL it just links the text "WH Link"? That URL expands the box more than needed and there is no reason to show the actual URL that I know of. --MattWright (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Different post scripts symbol
If an article already contains inline referencing then the indexing used in the infobox is not appropriate. The superscripts in the infobox I am changing from 1 and 2 to a and b. STTW (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Conflict with article format
As noted, most World Heritage Sites either have an infobox aready or will have one more appropriate to the article then the fact it is a world heritage site. It is always mentioned in the article and a link provided to the World Heritage Site. This Template is huge and messes up carefully crafted articles by editors who have worked on the article over time. It has a footnote on it that goes nowhere. World Heritage Sites have their own category. Just click on that if you want to see all the world heritage sites. A World Heritage Sites receives that designation because of some special qualities. The qualities are described in the article. So the World Heritage Site designation is secondary to the site's unique characteristics. This is my opinion. Sincerely, Mattisse 12:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
* I have fixed the table, it was an absolute mess and the reason why most of the articles showed awfully. The colspans were all incorrect. Now all the articles I have loaded look fine, the big size of the table was because of the incorrect colspans. If any article still looks bad it is because the template is still in the server cache, a simple edit to the article fixes the problem.David 12:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Conflict with other infoboxes
Great idea, but having this infobox in articles that already have an infobox is redundant and messes up article layout. So, since almost all World Heritage Sites have or should have a more specific infbox, I would much prefer to add optional variables to those templates for the most important fields covered by this separate template. This separate template should only be used in cases where another infobox is not appropriate (if any such situations exist). --mav 14:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
It's a nice template...although it is rendering quite large on Yellowstone National Park. I think we can add a few parameters to the protected areas infobox template to be able to encompass world hertiage site information, rather than have two infoboxes near the top of articles. If there is no infobox, then by all means, this templaet would be an improvement.--MONGO 15:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
* I will like that adding some of the World Heritage Site Parameters to the Protected Area Template would be great. Amartyabag TALK2ME 07:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
* Hi. Can some take a look at Bath, Somerset and try and sort out the conflict caused by the World Heritage Site box. Cheers. --TFoxton 23:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Native name
Why is there no place for native name? Thank you.--Eukesh 08:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Link
What's the point of the link as opposed to the ID? El Greco (talk · contribs) 16:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Is anybody checking this page
I changed the template to comply with the request way back to have optional image captions.
* Looking at the above comments, and the coding in this template I have to concur, there is little need of it, and every time I run across it, it's oversized width (The image width more often than not governs that, contrary to normal infoboxes which constrain overlarge images (e.g. Infobox book).
* Using !, !- is ONLY necessary as far as I can see because of the desire to display an empty parameter in an empty template. Standard parserfunctions can just enclose table sections, if it weren't for that, which would simplify seeing what's going on immensely.
* Further, template standards around wikipedia are normally coded with all lowercase. Suggest you recode with wired 'OR' logic such that constructs are used, or run a bot and convert all pages to all lowercase.
Best regards // Fra nkB 23:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
* One also notices that the Bold Heading is larger and bolder than the article titles themselves. Gross template bloat. --Wetman 05:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
The asterisk
This is a great infobox, but I find having the asterisk used on every single one is visually annoying. Is there any other way to do this? --Padraic 15:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
IW trouble
Take a look at the iw's on this template ... something is clearly wrong, and it affects the articles which include this template! --EivindJohnsen (talk) 04:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
UNESCO website
Does the wiki software allow a way to parse external websites automatically? If so, the template can be changed to accept just three arguments (the WHS number, an image and a caption) and the rest of the details can be extracted from the UNESCO website each time the template is loaded. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 01:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
UNESCO Regions
Can someone add the link http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&l=en&&&mode=table&order=region to the first paragraph of the section "Notes"? Wiki-uk (talk) 14:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
* I found the /doc version of this page just now. Done! Wiki-uk (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Change of lay-out and contents?
I like the lay-out of nl:Sjabloon:Infobox werelderfgoed cultuur. Would it be an idea to change the English template to have the same color and size? Could the "Session"-field be removed as well? Any other ideas? Wiki-uk (talk) 14:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
* They really look the same except for the color. El Greco(talk) 15:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Interwiki
I can't edit this page. Please add this link to article uk:Шаблон:Infobox World Heritage Site —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyslyi (talk • contribs) 07:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Editing wording of footnotes within template
Could the wording of the footnotes be changed from "Name as inscribed on World Heritage List" to "As inscribed on World Heritage List," and "Region as classified by UNESCO" to "As classified by UNESCO"? The current wording strikes me as redundant and somewhat awkward. —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 19:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Session link broken
Somebody factored out the session information from World Heritage Site into a separate page World Heritage Committee so now the "session" link from all instances of this template is broken. Could you change it to point to the right page -- I'd rather not revert the change, which I think was good, as such. Thanks.-- era (Talk | History) 22:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
* [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
hCard address improvement
This template emits an hCard microformat. The "region " property in hCard is a sub-division of a country, such as an English county or US state. There is no specific property for a continent or larger region; therefore, the more generic "label" property should be used, by changing :
to:
Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
* [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
"state party" in examples?
In the two examples for Kathmandu valley, NEP is given as the "state party" but Nepal does not appear in the illustrated example. In the Luxemburg example on this talk page, the flag and country name appear. What's gone wrong? (And, where do I find a list of the codes for "state party"? As it's used in the template it would be useful for this to be mentioned in the documentation). PamD (talk) 23:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
* What exactly does "State Party" mean, anyway? Why isn't it "country" or something along those lines? Hires an editor (talk) 23:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Style tweaks
editprotected Requesting sync with the new sandbox for parity with contemporary infoboxes. Minor presentation changes. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
* I've tweaked the microformat classes; my changes should, please, be included with the above. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've replaced the template with this version of the sandbox incorporating both your contributions; I trust the pair of you know what you're doing. Cheers, Skomorokh 21:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Map?
I think adding a map to the infobox would be very useful, giving some context for the site. What does everyone else think? Nev1 (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
* An excellent idea. I was just about to come here & do that myself, but I see that this is a protected template. I'll add a request. SP-KP (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
* ✅ --Jza84 | Talk 12:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Interlanguage link
Please add German interwiki de:Vorlage:Infobox Welterbe, thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 11:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I think this edit should take care of it; I think it was the unprotected Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc that needed to be edited rather than this template directly. Nev1 (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* Thanks you were right. Sorry for not noticing that. --Elekhh (talk) 21:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Flags and links
(From User talk:Ranger Steve/Archive 2)
"Hi Steve. I noticed you undid my changes there. I made three changes; can you describe your rationale for undoing each one please?
* I removed the flag from the infobox per WP:FLAGCRUFT; the flag adds no information and is merely decorative. As an encyclopedia we don't do decoration.
* I unlinked United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (which is a redirect to United Kingdom) and also England per WP:OVERLINK; we don't link to countries except in special cases.
* I shortened 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' to 'United Kingdom' per WP:COMMONNAME which says we use the common names for things.
Thanks, and sorry to bother you. --John (talk) 17:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi John, The main reason for the revert was to keep the infoboxes in line with all of the other WHS infoboxes in Britain. If you have a look through them you'll find they (mostly) conform to the same style I reverted to. Whether it's right or not is, I guess another matter. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is, as I said in the edit summary, the official designation used by UNESCO (see here), and therefore the logical title to use in that field. I personally think linking to a country, especially in an infobox, is justified in this case. WHS exist all over the world, and although we may be familiar with this country, a great many English speakers won't be aware of the exact definition UNESCO is using. A link clarifies that for them. I would certainly hope to see a foreign countries name wikilinked in a WHS box (as indeed they all are, and in the examples at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site). As for Flagcruft, I didn't know about that (you didn't mention it in the edit summary), so fair enough. But given that 90% of British WHS infoboxes appear to use it, this might be something worth raising on a more general level first. Sorry if I caused offence by reverting you, t'was not my intent. Ranger Steve (talk) 17:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
No offense taken! I'll take it to template talk or project talk, or both. Thanks for your time. --John (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)"
I just realized I had repeated this edit; I think the little UK flag looks cheap and it certainly doesn't add any information. However I realized that I hadn't discussed this centrally as I said I would back in November. Any strong opinions on this? Specifically, any good arguments for using the flag, for linking a well-known country, or for using an unusual long form of the country's name which is a redirect? --John (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Hey John, thanks for the heads up. I've copied the whole chat above to save splitting the discussion up if anyone looks through here. Personally I think we should definitely be using the long version of the name. UNESCO use State Parties in their designations (instead of countries), and refer to the UK in the same (long!) way throughout their website and management plans (well, the Stonehenge one at least). I think its best to use state party instead of country as well, consider Willemstad, Netherlands Antilles which is in the Caribbean but the listed UNESCO state party is the Netherlands. So, if we follow their criteria and use State parties in the infobox, we should use the correct state name as well (as we do with the WHS name and region). As such I don't think commonname applies, and it doesn't make any comment on an issue like this.
* I also think it should be linked. I would expect a wikilink to any country in an infobox, and as WHSs show up all over the world, sometimes in some very distant corners, I would want to be able to link directly to that state so that I know where it is (for example places like Lopé National Park in Gabon). St. George's, Bermuda, is ascribed to the UK state party, so I think its a good idea to link to the UK for the benefit of people who think that the UK is just the British Isles. That is exactly what links are good for, and I think it's important in an example like this. Again I don't see anything about this in Overlink, in fact given that the link directly applies to the article (it's the location that the WHS is in), and its the infobox it seems ok per those rules.
* The flag.... well, again I personally prefer it. It doesn't do any harm and makes it very easy to id a country (again, WHSs are everywhere). Flagicons get used in all manner of articles without issue (Military bio's, other interesting places, that kind of thing). Again I don't see any discussion of this in flagcruft, which is more concerned with overuse of icons, not solitary examples in infoboxes.
* So I guess I'm happy with the current set up, and it is the format that most articles use. The infoboxes look good in the articles and make navigation quite easy. But I'd welcome some more opinions (although in the meantime I've reverted Avebury to maintain the status quo!) Cheers, Ranger Steve (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Just to be clear, I am ok with using the longer version of the name of countries to align with the source, if you think it is important. I am not ok with linking common terms like well-known countries (specifically deprecated in WP:OVERLINK) and I am not ok with the little cracker-barrel flags. Not doing harm is not a criterion to include things, and we can all read so it is hard to see what the flag actually adds to the reader's understanding. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that a flag in a place like this is decorative, specifically what WP:FLAGCRUFT asks us to avoid. If you or anybody else can clearly state what the flag adds to the reader's understanding without resort to OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I would be interested to hear it. --John (talk) 21:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Well.... sorry but I disagree. Infoboxes are meant to be a simple summary of the main facts, and a useful reference point. Linking in an infobox isn't like overlinking in the main text at all, and besides if obscure countries are to be linked, why not others? The reasons I've mentioned above are reason enough to link even well known countries like the UK (how many British people actually know what UK actually means?). By the logic you're using, there shouldn't be any links to UK in the entire wiki, just because it is a well known place. The country a geographical point resides within is relevant to that article and it is entirely logical to use a link in such a case (this isn't like linking US in an abstract article like the Supply and Demand example in WP:OVERLINK). The same is true of flag icons. If we can all read and they don't add anything, why do they exist? They work very well in infoboxes like these or these which, as per Flagcruft, use the name next to the flag, making the flag technically unnecessarily. WP:ICONDECORATION seems relevent here. World Heritage Sites are global in nature, what better place to be clarifying specific countries or places? I'll certainly continue to do both (I'm reckon its WP:COMMONSENSE). Cheers, Ranger Steve (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Your disagreement with the wide and long-standing consensuses embodied at the two policy pages I pointed you to is noted. I am not seeing a coherent encyclopedic reason for this practice you support, other than that you like it and that some other pages also diverge from the style consensuses. I am afraid you will have to do better than this if it is important to you that these links and decorative icons be maintained. Is it? --John (talk) 23:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Can you please show me specifically where these long standing consensus' are that relate to this? I'm not seeing anything in any more support of your viewpoint than mine I'm afraid. I've already provided some very encyclopaedic reasons for keeping the links at least. With respect I also think you might need to do better if you want to change it. This is a fairly far reaching issue in my opinion. Ranger Steve (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* I've posted a comment on WikiProject World Heritage Sites to get some opinions, but it's a fairly quiet project. Ranger Steve (talk) 23:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* Long standing consensus not to link countries except with good reason: WP:OVERLINK (already mentioned above). Long-standing consensus not to use decorative flags in infoboxes (military campaigns and people form an exception to that) is at WP:FLAGCRUFT, already mentioned above. I'm sorry but I can't see where you gave good encyclopedic reasons for your nonMOS-compliant linking or decorative flag icon use on these articles. --John (talk) 00:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I’m very sorry, but I don’t see how I’m being “non-MOS compliant”, nor am I in “disagreement with the wide and long-standing consensuses embodied at the two policy pages”. Please, to clarify this can you show me where in Linking this long-standing consensus is? I quite agree with the policies on the page, they’re all common sense and clear enough, but I don’t see anything that relates to this. It doesn’t say anything about only “linking to countries in special cases” or “with good reason”. What it does seek to do is control the overuse of the same link, or inappropriate links in articles (such as US in an abstract concept like trade). Besides this is an infobox, and the Linking page is mainly concerned with the prose (the word infobox appears only once in that text and is easily interpreted as supporting linking in infoboxes). The only relevant rule I see there is under ‘What Generally should not be linked’; “Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features and locations, religions, languages, common professions, common units of measurement”. As I’ve pointed out, World Heritage Sites are global geographical locations; therefore the county or state each one is in is relevant to the article. What exactly would be your special case for linking to a country if it isn’t dealing with geographic locations of a global group? It is also beneficial to the reader to link to states/ countries of an obscure nature, places like Gabon, Azerbaijan, Vanuatu or Cape Verde. Plus, in situations where the WHS is in a state different to the geographical area it is once again extremely convenient to link to the state party for clarity – consider Bermuda or Willemstad above. This helps readers clarify why a place that the vast majority of the world probably thinks is a small group of Islands (ie the British Isles) are actually the sovereign state of smaller islands in the Caribbean or Pacific. These two reasons are covered in point 4 of What generally should be linked.
The same is true of Manual of Style (icons). I don’t see any “long standing consensus not to use decorative flags in infoboxes” there at all. The guideline is there to manage and standardise the use of icons in articles and control the overuse of flags that have no obvious use in an article. The very reason we have flag icons is so that a reader can quickly identify a region or nationality relevant to that article. The fact we can all read is irrelevant to this argument, the MoS is quite clear that use of a flag should be followed by the written name anyway – this is a style thing, but such a policy wouldn’t exist if we just took it for granted that people can read and don’t need icons. Why else would we have flag and name templates to produce 🇬🇧 United Kingdom or 🇪🇸 ESP on Wikipedia? Once again, as we are dealing with a global feature here, this is extremely helpful to the reader who may link here from any page without knowing which country a WHS is in. Within the blink of an eye, the location of this WHS is revealed (exactly the point of flag icons). If this infobox was “English Heritage Sites” then it wouldn’t be relevant, but these are worldwide locations.
I don’t think Otherstuffexists applies here either. Your logic is that links to well known countries don’t need to exist, and that flags (in any capacity) are not needed because the name is written and they are thus purely decorative. I’m afraid such issues are well beyond the scope of just these infoboxes - your problems seem to be more of an MoS issue than with any misuse of this template. If you don’t want any links to countries except in very special cases might I respectfully suggest you bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style or the talk pages for Icons or Linking. There is no clear MoS policy on this (or someone would have raised the issue by now at featured WHS articles like Surtsey or St Kilda), so if you feel one is needed, a policy can be established across the board and not just in one series of geographical articles. That way the overlinking in articles like this and this can be controlled to your satisfaction. Regards Ranger Steve (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC).
* WP:MOSICON applies here and it says icon shouldn't be decorative or emphasize nationality. These notation that icon help people find information quick or scan has never been proven Gnevin (talk) 15:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* I also fully agree that our guideline should apply regarding flag-icons, and these should be removed from the infobox. There is really no reason to over-emphasise the nominating country, given that all natural sites and most cultural sites were not a creation or product of national states whose flag is displayed. Thus flag-icons in this context can be misleading. They also distract from the meaning of World Heritage. Regarding the argument that their use would help geolocation, I again disagree: there are many large countries where the flag would not even clarify on which continent a site is located, and there are many small countries whose flag not many readers would recognise. Geocodes and maps are far more useful for locating a site. I also have nothing against removing the links to countries from the infobox, given that these are generally already linked in the lead of the article, where the focus of the reader should be. --Elekhh (talk) 00:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
* Please remove "State party" flagicon per above discussion. --Elekhh (talk) 08:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
* I'm not sure the above discussion represents a consensus for this. Several of Steve's points have not been answered. I've disabled the request for now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
* Sorry but I cant see that. In summary, his points were:
* "I personally prefer it" - this is not an argument
* "it doesn't do any harm" - this isn't an argument either, moreover it has been argued that it does do harm by
* - over emphasizing nationality, which is explicitly against the guidelines
* - misleading in that they distract from the the whole idea of United Nations "World Heritage"
* - cruft, "the flag adds no information and is merely decorative"
* "makes it very easy to id a country" - this is the only meaningful argument, however it has been counter-argued that:
* - they are rather decorative
* - it is rarely the case, and is less useful than maps and geocodes. For example by large countries the flag would not even clarify on which continent a site is located, and by many small countries the flag would not be recognised by readers anyway
* - any id benefit would be outweighed by the negative effect of over emphasizing nationality, which is misleading (as explained above countries are only nominating parties, "all natural sites and most cultural sites were not a creation or product of national states whose flag is displayed") and explicitly against the guidelines
* "flagicons get used in all manner of articles" - not an argument for their use here
* "they exist" - not a valid reason to include
* So I don't see any arguments standing in favour of keeping them, but if I missed anything please point it out. --Elekhh (talk) 23:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
100% agree Gnevin (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
* As far as I can tell, this template doesn't actually produce the icons, it just displays what it is specified. For example on Lopé National Park you have the parameter 🇬🇦 Gabon. So the only way to remove them would be take them out of each separate article. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
* Would be nice to have a bot doing this. --Elekhh (talk) 01:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Conversion to infobox
I've finally gotten round to moving this over to an infobox codebase. The result is in the sandbox, and a test case showing most features is on the test cases page. If there are no problems with this I'll sync it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
* Looks good to me. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The map
How does this work? For instance, let's say I wanted to add in Blenheim Palace, how would I do this? The coordinates are lat. 41.903 and long. 12.452. Any ideas? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 10:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
* I tried to work the map once before and had no luck I'm afraid. Haven't found any examples to copy from either. Sorry, Ranger Steve (talk) 22:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
* As the function has only been active since January, very few instances use the map. Here's an example of how to implement it. It makes the infobox a bit long, but in a well developed article (as all WHS should be) I don't think it's a problem. Nev1 (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* Updated the documentation, which hasn't been done when the template has been updated. --Elekhh (talk) 23:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Multiple locations
Btw, would it be possible to have multiple locations indicated on one map? There are several WHS which are composed of a set of items in different locations. --Elekhh (talk) 10:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Border
Also would be nice to get rid of the frame of the map, as is already in the infobox. --Elekhh (talk) 07:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
* Seems that nobody objects, so maybe somebody could do the changes, thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 01:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
* ✅. Hope that's what you meant. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
* Oh yes, excellent, looks so much better. Any idea how to solve the multiple locations issue (see section above)? --Elekhh (talk) 11:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Relief parameter
Please also add "relief" parameter (see Template:Location map Spain) - is very useful for natural sites. This should be uncontroversial. --Elekhh (talk) 13:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
* Sorry, not sure what you mean. Please make the requested change to Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/sandbox and then reactivate the request. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
* This. --Elekhh (talk) 22:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
* Okay, seems straightforward. ✅ — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Gives altogether the wrong information
This infobox has now succeeded in crowding out other types of infobox in the lead of nearly all relevant articles, but gives completely the wrong type of information for the general reader, with neither the date of the site, its location within a country, nor any description of what the site consists of being compulsory. Instead the box gives a range of bureaucratic file references to the UNESCO process that are of no interest to anyone but bureaucrats. This information should not be displayed but hidden in a show/hide bar, and the template should only display the basic information that general readers would expect. Johnbod (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
* I'm not sure that any of the problems you list above (or on other talk pages where you have raised this issue) can be considered the fault of this infobox. Rather, misplacing of the infobox is each individual article's problem. The Temple of Giza, which you describe as typical example, isn't exactly what could be described as a good article and lacks a lot of information in the prose as well. There are more appropriate infoboxes for the lead of many articles, but it isn't this infobox's fault that they haven't been used. Given that there are nearly 900 WHSs worldwide, an infobox for this important indicator of registered heritage seems entirely appropriate. See St Kilda, Scotland for an example of more restrained use in a featured article or Bath, Somerset where the important information that you mention is provided in other infoboxes, and the 'bureaucratic' stuff comes later.
* I'd also point out that in many cases a WHS infobox can be considered entirely appropriate, given that it is one of the most commonly known things about a particular place and is its most defining feature. See the Jurassic Coast for example - it's hard to think of a more appropriate infobox for what is essentially a hundred miles or so of coast. The only reason this article (embodying several individual areas of coast) exists is because its a WHS. The location of a historic site within a country seems a moot point as well, given that World Heritage Sites by definition,are found worldwide. Perhaps there is room for expansion of this infobox or improvements to article layout, but hiding a well used infobox doesn't strike me as a solution. Ranger Steve (talk) 00:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* [Later] There is no "Temple of Giza". The Giza Necropolis, which I referred to in other versions of this post, is essentially the main Egyptian pyramids, plus the Great Sphinx and other extras. But you would never know this from the infobox - an excellent illustration of its failings! Johnbod (talk) 04:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
* Well everywhere I go, & I've being seeing a lot recently for an article I'm doing, this is the lead infobox. I'm pretty sure that in many cases other types, such as architecture infoboxes, used to be. Few articles, especially on subjects which are normally highly visuial and much photographed, have the space for two infoboxes. I don't mind it having the lead position IF the information it gives is the most relevant, but at the moment that is not the case. Who actually wants to know the "inscription date", or its "session", or the "Reference" number, or the dates of "extensions"? That can be in the text, or footnotes. All the examples you give are very long UK ones, but for the usually far shorter articles on (to be brutally frank, and as a Brit) much more significant 3rd-world sites this box is invariably used, and there is no space for any other. Even in Jurassic Coast the failure of the current contents is clear - it gives no hint of WHY the WHS status was awarded, just these crappy filing details. It just won't do. Johnbod (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* I came across similar issues at Ujung Kulon National Park, Lorentz National Park, Komodo National Park, etc. In all these cases the WHS infobox does not add much in terms of information, while duplicating most of the useful information and complicating the layout. I agree with Johnbond that much of the information in this infobox is not that useful, while it also cannot substitute other infoboxes. On the other hand there are clear cases in which the infobox is very useful, for instance Tropical Rainforest Heritage of Sumatra where no other infobox would fit. I find that ideally there should be just one infobox in an article, so either this one would need to be expanded to include more useful information and therfore be able to substiture other infoboxes, or the other way around, infoboxes like Infobox protected area should be expanded to be able to include relevant information about the World Heritage status. --Elekhh (talk) 08:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* I would favour putting all the UNESCO filing info into a show/hide feature within the box (Ranger Steve misunderstands me above on this point) and having the visible fields give useful information on the actual site, not the approval process, so that the box is suitable for use in the lead. There seems to be no other general type of box for archaeology & antiquities sites of world importance, like Terracotta Army, Royal Tombs of the Joseon Dynasty, Imperial Tombs of the Ming and Qing Dynasties, Classical Gardens of Suzhou, Fatehpur Sikri, Elephanta Caves and hundreds of other articles. Conceivably there is a case for two versions of the box, one for the lead & one for long articles. This might at least be an interim solution, as adding useful info to hundreds of boxes will clearly take some time - fortunately there is a whole project on the subject. Johnbod (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* I might have misunderstood admittedly (that election race was just so riveting last night, couldn't take my eyes off it!). I still don't really see this as a problem with this infobox per se though. National parks definitely shouldn't use this infobox in the lead - there are far more appropriate ones available and I admit I'm genuinely surprised to see parks that must have a hundred designations already, summarised solely by this infobox. I agree that 1 infobox is enough for short articles, but I do believe that anywhere that is a WHS deserves expanding to something more significant (such as the examples above) and there will almost certainly be sources for it (if not interest in doing it unfortunately). There is an infobox for megaliths somewhere which would cover some WHS's, but I've resisted adding it to the articles I work on I'm afraid (it's a bit restrictive and simplistic). I do agree though that there is room to expand this infobox with some new fields. As a start I'd suggest area (as in size) as a good one, and perhaps some sort of link to the type of structure (beyond the 2 UNESCO designations, which are natural and cultural, I'm thinking more in terms of megalith, architecture, geology, wilderness etc...). I'm not sure about relegating the UNESCO stuff to a hidden feature though. This is an encyclopaedia after all, and that information is just as valid to its status as its reason for being a WHS. That said, if the space this information takes up could be condensed a little that might be good. I am wary about a field explaining why a WHS was designated as well - that isn't something I think can be adequately summarised for a lot (maybe most) of them... Might be better if that was perhaps reflected by the other fields we include. I've started a brainstorming list below for discussions sake, so anyone can add what they think might be a good field. Ranger Steve (talk) 18:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* We are obviously coming at this from different ends, as I have no interest (in encyclopedic terms) in national parks or really any natural WHS sites, & the cultural ones seem equally far from your interests. I am glad you are coming to accept my starting point, the current predominance of this box in the lead across both types - for the cultural ones there is often no obvious alternative in fact. The WHS is rightly considered a very prestigous status, and probably an effective way of suggesting the importance of sites to readers who may not have heard of them before. So perhaps it is not surprising it is the dominant lead box, & we should now address how to deal with that situation better than we do at present. Your suggestions below are really only helpful for natural sites - it might be best to divide the infobox into two types. I have added some. I don't agree at all that the current information "is just as valid to its status as its reason for being a WHS". Can you really believe this? I've no objection to it being somewhere, but a lead infobox needs to give the most important information. From Manual of Style (infoboxes):
* "As you design an infobox template, consider the following questions:
Johnbod (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
* Is the field of value? : How important is the field to the articles that will use the infobox? Is it summary information, or more extended detail that may be better placed within the body of an article?"
Potential new fields
Ranger Steve (talk) 18:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
* Brief description (could be taken from Unesco info)
* Date (for cultural ones)
* Originating culture (for cultural ones)
* Size (as an area)
* Location (this might need to be a list of several different options, such as county, state, prefecture etc... with an option to chose the most appropriate)
* Co-ordinates (might be tricky with large ones or split locations)
* Type of heritage (architecture, geology, megalith)
How the template is currently abused and how to change this
The template draws attention to information that practically nobody is interested in and mixes this with a photo and a map. It tends to inflict itself into the leads of articles, where the information which it contains and other infoboxes don't contain is almost always completely out of place. I think there are only two acceptable uses for this infobox: I have gone through the transclusions of the template and stopped after finding the first one which was correct in all respects. It was number 16: Maeshowe. There was also a small number of articles in which the template was placed in a WHS section, without a map, but inappropriately with an image. Example: St Kilda, Scotland. Among the first 200 articles using the template, there was none which would have justified use as a lead image per 1.
* 1) In a section that discusses specifically the World Heritage state of the article subject, possibly in connection with closely related topics. In this position the map is completely out of place. Also, the arbitrary decision of which image to put into the infobox at this point should not normally be taken at all. It makes no sense for the infobox to swallow a random photo. (An exception would be if the WHS status was awarded because of a particular view, and an image showing that view can be added to the infobox without causing redundancy e.g. with the lead image.)
* 2) In an article that is functionally equivalent to the kind of section described under 1. This happens in the rare case that the actual WHS is not regarded as a separate entity except as a WHS, and also in the rare case that there is so much encyclopedic information about the WHS status itself that it had to be moved to a subarticle per WP:SUMMARY.
To discourage improper use of this template I propose the following action: Hans Adler 07:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
* Move this template to Lead infobox World Heritage Site of Infobox World Heritage Site (lead) so that it can still be used in the small number of cases (< 1%) when it makes sense to put the information into the lead. The documentation of the infobox should have a clear warning that its use is rarely appropriate.
* Create an unobtrusive variant of this infobox which omits the parameters image, imagecaption, coordinates, map, map_caption, map_width, locmapin, relief, latitude, longitude, as they are almost never appropriate.
* That is sensible as far as it goes, but this infobox is very widely used indeed, and the majority of the articles are 3rd world places with very short articles, and only room for one infobox. There will be alternative infoboxes available, but working out which one is appropriate & filling it in is a huge task for these important but neglected articles. Realistically a (third?) version of this box, that just states it is a WHS, which is important info, but does not give (or maybe just doesn't show) all the UNESCO crap, and does give the crucial info that people might actually want, might be the easiest way to get a conversion to actually happen. Otherwise it may be best, because quickest, just to remove most of them, and allow a decent-sized lead pic. Johnbod (talk) 11:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes its a definite problem I'd noticed myself. I'#ll address this to User:Plastikspork and see what he has to say.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
* I agree it isn't a riveting infobox, but I wonder if this is major issue. In my view the photos are the only thing that liven up the otherwise dreary format. It is hard to imagine general readers think it is the view or image that is the site. What is the "crucial info" that would go in an infobox, other than the UNESCO stats? The "region" info is superfluous and could go for me. If it "tends to inflict itself into the leads of articles", why not just move it? The above problems read to me more like an argument for deleting the infobox completely rather than amending it in some way. Ben Mac Dui 18:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
* Well that certainly would be easier, & might be best. The infobox is often not used for developed world sites, but is for 3rd world ones. Until I changed it now the WHS project page megalomaniacally said that the infobox should be used for "each article on a WHS". Let's look at this example - Humayun's Tomb. Fortunately the English name tells you it is a tomb, and of someone called Humayun (no link, or indication of who he is). Now, don't you think a date of construction, originating culture, a name for the architectural style, and a very brief description might be more useful and "crucial" than the information it actually gives??? There is a lst of other stuff just above. Or look at the Kathmandu Valley examples on the template page itself - what do they tell you about the subject? Personally, I'd be happy to see them mostly just go, but I'm afraid somebody would just add them back,& I don't want to watch over the hundreds of articles with them on. If people really want the ID & "criteria", that should imo be in a hidden box at the bottom of the page. Or we want a little bar saying "UNESCO WHS", with all the UNESCO stuff collapsed. Given the near total mutual incomprehension evident in the section between "natural" and "cultural" editors, it would probably be best to split into 2 templates. If you leave "optional" fields, many infobox fillers will try to fill them all, no matter how inappropriate. Most of these 3rd world articles have very little text, but many decent pictures available, & using up valuable side-of-the-page space on this nonsense cannot be justified. Johnbod (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
* Rather than have separate infoboxes, you can combine them into one, and have a required parameter (if not filled in, then the output warns the editor that they have filled it in wrong) that switches between the variants described above (the ones I saw were cultural, natural, and lead infobox). But you would need someone with experience at coding that sort of thing in templates (or copy a similar template). Carcharoth (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
The UNESCO/WHS-specific information may well be interesting to some people and there is no reason why it shouldn't be summarized somewhere in the article, but like a lot of other comparatively trivial information that people tend to put in infoboxes, I can't see why it should be colourfully framed at the upper-right-hand side in such a way that it completely dominates the article. Couldn't it just be somewhere at the bottom of the page, perhaps even in a smaller font? It could still be in a template if people like that. Is there a template guru out there who could try making a bottom-of-the-page version of this to see what it could look like? --Hegvald (talk) 05:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* I am glad there is so much interest in improving the usage of this infobox, but I do disagree with some of the proposals above, while I agree with others:
* I don't see the the need for separate infoboxes for the same topic. This is unnecessary and would only complicate and confuse things. It is technically and intellectually possible to use an infobox in multiple ways.
* I disagree that images would be confusing, as well put by Ben MacDui;
* I strongly disagree that location maps would be useless; Instead the functionality of the location map needs to be upgraded in order to be able to display multiple locations.
* Also disagree that per default the infobox has to be in a subsection, and that this would be the case for most articles. First of all there are numerous WHS notable as such, which often include multiple sites, specifically united by the WHS listing. In these cases the article will only have a WHS infobox. Second, I think it should be allowed for the editors of each specific article to choose which infobox suits better the article.
* I do agree that there should be more informative fields added, such as "site area" and "date of construction", and that others are not useful and can be removed, such as the "region" field.--Elekhh (talk) 05:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* Once again, there are many sites which are UNESCO created entities, where the WHS infobox on top is the best option, such as the Australian Convict Sites or Tropical Rainforest Heritage of Sumatra. --Elekhh (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* Once again, there is not a single Wikipedia article where bizarre non-information of the type "ii, iv, Asia-Pacific, 232, Cultural, 17th Session" should appear right at the top and be drawn attention to. That's the kind of detail that should normally be 'dropped because it's the job of an encyclopedia to distill short, informative texts from all the available information. Including these trivia that are only of interest to a few bureaucrats (if that) can only be justified when they appear in small type in a discreet little box somewhere under the fold where most readers will simply ignore them.
* It's conceivable that we might have an all-purpose template for cultural or natural sites that also happen to have WHS status. But this template is not it. It's a template that concentrates exclusively on useless technical parameters that nobody wants to see and adds two huge eye-catchers (image and map) to draw everybody's attention to them. No article is going to get featured status while such an abomination is at the top. Hans Adler 07:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* Really?, well I will be back when your tone will be more WP:CIVIL and constructive. Thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* I stand corrected, although I think that example says more about the sometimes inappropriate focus of FAC on technicalities rather than about the infobox. Also, I somehow managed to miss your real point, which is that some articles only exist because of the WHS. I think that even for those articles (which do seem to be rare as I found none among the first 200 I looked at) the technical information doesn't make much sense, but at least it's more defensible, and my response would have been less heated if I had spent more time reading your comment to which it was supposed to be a response. Sorry. Hans Adler 09:04, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* No worries. I am on the pro-improvement side, and I am sure we can agree on major changes, as far the premise is not to abolish the infobox (which is useful either as the only option or as an alternative). When infoboxes such as the one for protected areas incorporate fields for WHS, certainly I agree there is no need to use both, and the editors should have the option which one to chose. Now focusing on the improvement of this infobox: removing the "region" I already indicated I agree with. The "session" parameter duplicates the year field, so can be removed IMO as well. However information explaining why a site is considered World Heritage, is essential (while I recognise that "represents a masterpiece of human creative genius" would be more telling than "criteria: i"). Also if the aim is to improve, than let's introduce fields such as "site area" (natural sites) and "date of construction" (cultural sites) and improve the functionality of the map. --Elekhh (talk) 21:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
What a "state party" is and why it should be called "country" in the template
I came to this talk page to find out what "state party" means in this infobox, and found no explanation; nor is there an explanation in the template documentation, and there ought to be one. I saw "state party" in an infobox for the Hạ Long Bay World Heritage site in Vietnam, and it was so very odd that I thought that some especially keen Communist had vandalised the infobox with this usage, overwriting the word "Country". I only found otherwise when I entered Edit Mode to fix it.
"Original research" led me to this information at the UNESCO website: "States Parties are countries which have adhered to the World Heritage Convention."
So a state party is a country—it says so. There is no need for Wikipedia to copy this peculiar and reader-baffling usage, since it only has evident meaning to those who are familiar with the UNESCO bureaucracy's internal jargon. The overwhelming majority of the encyclopaedia-reading public should not be subjected to this puzzling and unhelpful term, the use of which in Wikipedia adds nothing to the reader's experience, and merely interrupts it. I propose that the "state party" variable be replaced by "country" in the template. It is common sense. — O'Dea 22:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
* I guess the idea with "World Heritage" is that the sites are "common heritage of humanity", hence their designation is of supra-national character. As you pointed out, countries are relevant here as members of UNESCO (i.e. UN) hence I can see why the the formula "state party" has been chosen by UNESCO as a descriptor. I got 1,000,000 google hits, so the term is not that obscure. --Elekhh (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
* Whatever the reason, we should use "country" here, as per normal. Johnbod (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
* Google results also include many other meanings than the one used by UNESCO, and most of them have nothing to do with World Heritage sites, so a million Google results is meaningless in this discussion. The point is that "state party" is so obscure to the man in the street that this one was completely nonplussed by it; it is just a bloody nuisance, a time-wasting and irritating distraction; and it ought to be changed to what it means: "country". There is no advantage in using "state party" and "country" is known to all. — O'Dea 11:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
* Yeh, new words can be "bloody nuisance". --Elekhh (talk) 11:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
* 1. They are not "new words". They are, in this context, an unnecessarily obscure rearrangement of very common words. 2. The talk page is for discussion, not for trading petty insults. If you have something meaningful to say, say it. — O'Dea 03:15, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
* I did not mean to say anything offensive, just tried to hint that I would appreciate a friendly and calm tone in the discussion. Now I'll try to summarise it again differently: (1) my presumption is that the UN did choose the term "state party" instead of "country" for a good reason, (2) the term is broadly in use in relation to WHS as well as in other contexts, and (3) I don't think the encyclopaedic description has to be simplified to the expense of accuracy to meet the average level of knowledge of the "man in the street", even if this will require more effort from the readers. The term which many might not be familiar with is linked to an overview page which also provides an explanation. All this being said, I am really not fussy about it and if the consensus will be the other way I will acknowledge that. --Elekhh (talk) 04:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm with Elekhh here. These are sites designated by UNESCO, and despite the importance that people attach to them they're nothing more than entries on a list created by that international organization. The designation process is completely dictated by the processes and politics of that body. As such, the info boxes should reflect the sources they draw from. I also don't see the problem with using state party, as state and country are synonymous anyway. This proposal might be more appropriate for the Simple English Wikipedia. In addition it's a mistake to assume that any word is "normal." It might be a normal designation within your own context, but don't assume that it's normal for everybody. That's my opinion. Chouji Ochiai (talk) 20:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
* You say "the info boxes should reflect the sources they draw from" but you don't justify the claim. There is no reason at all why a term which will puzzle and therefore delay the average reader should be used when the word "country" is immediately understood by all. If you asked 100 people at random in the street what a state party was, most would imagine it meant a controlling political party in a one-party dictatorship. Hardly anyone would guess it meant "country". That is why the designation is a problem. — O'Dea (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
* You can't seriously believe that anyone with half a brain will see the words "state party", freak out because it's too technical, and stop reading the article, can you? Especially since there's always a country name right beside the words. An average reader would accept the term as a UNESCO-specific title and would think nothing more about it. Those that were a bit more curious could search Google for state party world heritage site and immediately be directed to this page, which not only explains what they are but lists every single state party in the world. UNESCO uses the term "state party" to distinguish from a regular country in that only state parties have agreed to the World Heritage Convention, whereas other countries have not. This infobox should do the same.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 21:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
* Do you have evidence for the assertion that "UNESCO uses the term "state party" to distinguish from a regular country in that only state parties have agreed to the World Heritage Convention, whereas other countries have not." It makes very little sense & I'm fairly certain that they actually use it to avoid questions such as whether the Palestinian Territories or Hong Kong are a "country" or not. But that is beside the point for us. The major issues with this infobox, still on the back-burner, are that it is much too concerned with UNESCO bureaucratric stuff and far too little with the site itself. Johnbod (talk) 23:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
What happens if the ownership of a WHS changes from country to another due to a war or revolution? Hans Adler 07:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
* Does the "state party" change immediately to the new owner?
* Does the new owner become the new "state party" after filing the necessary paperwork?
* Does the "state party" remain unchanged because it's only about the original application?
* Not an answer, but interesting examples are Visoki Dečani and Patriarchate of Peć, where Serbia is listed as the "State Party". True, Kosovo is not a member of UNESCO [yet], but using "State Party" in the infobox sort of spares Wikipedia from the decision whether Kosovo is a "country". No such user (talk) 11:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
* With luck, the discussion 3 sections above ("How the template is currently abused and how to change this") is moving towards a total revamp of the box anyway. If, for example, all the UNESCO technical detail was normally hidden, with a show/hide thingy, I expect most objections to "state party" would go. We could then have a simple "Location" field, allowing a fuller and more useful location including the country. Johnbod (talk) 01:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Endangered
"Endangered" in the template should link to World Heritage in Danger or List of World Heritage in Danger, i.e. without "Sites", since this is the name UNESCO uses. bamse (talk) 09:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
* The link in the infobox is a redirect to the second page you mentioned.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
* I understand that, but since "World Heritage Site in Danger" is a non-existant term, why not link to it directly? bamse (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Gradual improvements
While there seems to be consensus that the infobox needs improvement, previous discussions stalled as there was disagreement regarding the different "packages" of change. Therefore it seems to me that the best way forward would be to implement step by step those changes which have general support. As the infobox and its usage will improve it will be than easyer to find consensus for further improvements. I am listing below previous proposals which based on former comments are likely to find support. Please indicate support and/or concerns specific to each of these changes, so that we can proceed at least whith those we all agree on. --Elekhh (talk) 09:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
* 1) Specify in the infobox documentation, that "the use of this infobox is discouraged when more specific infoboxes are in use in the article", particularly when those also have WHS specific fields, such as Template:Infobox protected area
* 2) Add "site area" field (for natural sites)
* 3) Add "date of construction" field (for cultural sites)
* 4) Remove "regions" field - purely administrative categorization with limited relevance
* 5) Map should be able to display multiple locations for those WHS which are composed of multiple sites. See Tropical Rainforest Heritage of Sumatra for example.
* 6) A bot should remove all remaining flags per MOS:FLAG and previous consensus.
* Support all, and the approach. I think at some point we may need to split the template into cultural and natural variants. Johnbod (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
* Support We may also have the possibility to add the official website when relevant. --Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 13:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Extensions
Are all changes of World Heritage Site boundaries extensions? The universal use in the infobox of extensions for boundary changes is justifiable if there has never been a reduction of a WHS's area, but I am aware of at least one example where the change was a mere "minor modification", a neutral phrase in terms of area change. Perhaps the infobox ought to reflect this by providing an alternative to the word "extensions" for this kind of thing. Waltham, The Duke of 23:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from Bamse, 15 August 2011
The template currently links to the redirect page List of World Heritage Sites in danger. This phrase ("List of World Heritage Sites in danger") is non-encyclopedic because the correct name as used by UNESCO is List of World Heritage in Danger. The phrase with "sites" is a wikipedia invention and does not exist in reliable sources. Because of this, I request to link to the correct name: List of World Heritage in Danger.
bamse (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
* Done. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
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Plain language
Can we add a switch to display the criteria in plain language, rather than as numbers which will mean nothing to our readers? We would obviously need to abbreviate the full terms. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
* I would rather they were just hidden and more useful information included instead. Johnbod (talk) 11:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
* Andy: How do you want to fit the criteria in plain language (even using abbreviations) into the infobox, especially for sites that are listed under several criteria? What "more useful information" are you thinking about, Johnbod? Personally, I could get rid of the reference number and perhaps put the corresponding external link into the heading (Site's name). bamse (talk) 11:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
* I have explained what "more useful information" would be above at length. Little things like the date, originating culture, and function of the site, currently absent. Johnbod (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The answer would seem to be to embed Designation list in a parent infobox, as done for example, in Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
* I think that's an imptovement, but it still takes up a lot of space giving readers information they are already know (repeats that it's in India) or that is too basic (India is in Asia-Pacific region) or is just uninteresting (session dates etc). There's just no way this box complies with Manual of Style/Infoboxes: "When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content." and "As you design an infobox template, consider the following questions:
Is the field of value? How important is the field to the articles that will use the infobox? Is it summary information, or more extended detail that may be better placed within the body of an article?"
It's important to know a place is a WHS, & maybe the date it became one, with a link to the award documentation, but "key facts" stop right there; the rest is pure cruft. The criteria are not very helpful, & mostly obvious, & can easily be be picked up from the UNESCO site. If it's a building or city it's a ii, probably plus a iv or something else, if it's a national park it's a vii plus maybe something else. It's all "unnecessary content" as the MOS puts it. Usually articles that don't have the infobox just give the fact, the date & quote a couple of lines from Unesco's summary blurb. That's all you need. Johnbod (talk) 03:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Old City (Jerusalem)
A number of editors (including myself) are concerned that the designation "Arab states" as the region where the Old City in Jerusalem is located violates Wikipedia's policy of WP:NPOV. A proposal that is being considered is to modify the infobox such that the "Region" parameter be optional in order to accommodate NPOV, otherwise it may be necessary to forgo the infobox altogether at the article. It appears that currently it isn't possible to leave the "Region" field empty.—Biosketch (talk) 18:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
* This infobox is stupid in any case and should be deleted. See comments by Johnbod in sections above for why it is problematic even in articles with no political controversy attached. Why fight over what should be in the box when the solution is to get rid of it altogether? --Hegvald (talk) 19:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
* Ok, if there's consensus to delete it so be it. But the discussion above is pretty stale by now and the reality is the infobox is still around and causing problems.—Biosketch (talk) 19:08, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
latitude/longitude in header?
In articles that have the latitude/longitude fields filled out, it appears they're used for placing a dot on the mini-map, but they don't appear as coordinates in the header, like the °N, °W tag would do, so that readers can click through to an OSM or Google map, or use the WikiMiniAtlas. Instead it looks like a separate coord-tag has to be added for that. Is there a way to make the latitude/longitude tags automatically populate the coord data as well? Here is an example article with such a situation. --Delirium (talk) 12:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Redirect
Clicking the initial title in the infobox (UNESCO World Heritage Site) redirects to World Heritage Site. I can't quite work out how to fix this. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 16:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Location
This template really needs a location parameter right below the country. Right now, only the country specifies its location, and that is far to inadequate, especially for the articles where the WHS infobox is the only infobox. I suggest to add a Location parameter where a province, city, or other location can be specified as needed. It should be optional for WHS where a specific location doesn't apply. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
* Please could you follow the following procedure:
* Put your proposed code on /sandbox.
* Use some examples to thoroughly test it on /testcases.
* Allow time for others to comment on your changes.
* Reactivate the edit request. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I have added the proposed location parameter to the sandbox and test case for review, see: Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/testcases. Any comments, objections? -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 20:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
* Sounds worthwhile to me, although I'm not sure whether or not it is. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Reactivate edit request. No objections, one weak endorsement. But really, this is hardly controversial, because the location parameter will be optional. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 20:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
* Yes check.svg Done. Could you update the template documentation as well? Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 03:22, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Interwiki
Please add interwikiki for sr: Wikipedia - Шаблон:УНЕСКО кутијица. --Pockey (talk) 22:23, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
* You may add interwiki links to the documentation page of the template, Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 22:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
* Re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic as far as I'm concerned. This template is so appalling (reasons set out at length on the talk page in the past) that these footling changes really make no difference. Instead of moving the information around you should ask yourself whether, when the template fails to give the most basic information about the actual sites, it really needs to take a line to explain that London is in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 10:33, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 November 2012
Template's footnotes as they currently stand are too small, at least as they are rendered here. The sandbox's current version (19 November, edit summary "typo") solves this by moving them into the template's body (rather than with an increased font-size). Seems to work well with the test case. Shall I activate an "edit request" template?
<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 03:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
* Sorry, I had to revert all your changes to the sandbox in order to resolve first the issue above. Once that has been adopted, I will just undo my edit and you'll have all your changes back. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 20:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
* Understood – thanks for explaining. My suggestion's been here a while now, so, once it's back in place, I'll activate an edit request. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Request is at start of this section. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
* There are a lot of changes to the sandbox. Can you confirm this code is ready to copy over? I don't want to undo the other recent change to this sandbox. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
* The version "02:29, 19 November 2012 <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) . . (3,886 bytes) (0) . . (typo)" should be in shape – the testcase looks okay here. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
* The new "location" parameter is not in the sandbox version... -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 02:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
* Sorry not to spot. I've inserted it now (edit summary "tweaked" on 20 Nov), so, if you you think all seems correct, the edit can take place. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 06:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
* Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: I think we need to leave more time for discussion about these edits. They have quite a visible impact on the template, and as far as I can tell they haven't really been discussed anywhere. Could you drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject World Heritage Sites and wait for more comments so that we can have a clearer idea of whether there is a consensus? If no-one replies in a week or so we can take that as an indication that there isn't any opposition to the change. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 10:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
* Just left this and set up the area below. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Comments, discussion
* Reactivated the request as there seems to be no opposition to the amendments. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 04:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
* Ok, Yes check.svg Done. The changes are now up live. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 10:59, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
* Thank you! <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Excessive width of Infobox when printing
When the "Region" parameter is used and the article is printed, the Infobox is hugely wide, occupying about 80% of the width of the printable portion of the page. Wideangle (talk) 23:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Edit request: embedding
This infobox should be embeddable in other infoboxes. See equivalent code in e.g. Infobox mountain. The following line should be added as the second or third line of the source:
| child =
to support embedding other infoboxes within this one, the following line is required at the end:
| data13 =
I'll amend the documentation accordingly. No such user (talk) 14:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
* ✅; thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
TfD
Attempts to make this template user-friendly have come to nothing. I have therefore nominated it for deletion or refactoring. Please comment at Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 28.
As the template is protected, an admin is required, please, to add the following to the template:
ASAP. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
State party is still a problem
Alas, there is a field called "State party", but it's shown to readers as "Country". In most cases this is just an irritating inconsistency, but there are corner cases where it causes genuine problems because reliable sources say the site is in a different "country" to what Unesco says is the "State party". Can we fix it, please? If we're going to call it a country, then change the name of the field to "Country". Or, second best, if we insist on keeping Unesco's "state party" term, then that's what the template should actually show to readers. bobrayner (talk) 03:46, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
* We should change it to "location", allowing for a geographical description with country and a more local name following usual WP principles. The whole templace needs reformatting to give useful information for readers rather than UNESCO bureacratic nonsense people can get off their website if they really want it. Johnbod (talk) 12:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
* Location sounds good to me. bobrayner (talk) 15:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
* But not for me. It is good that user Bob raised this question, i cane here with a same concern. Location, sure, but then we should add State party also, as some WHS are not quite in the country of designation, speaking about disputed territories, islands, etc. So, country should be switched to State party, and we should add location. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 17:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
* Eej, we already have location here! Just someone should fix Country into State party then! Nice. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 17:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
* I agree with Bobrayner and Johnbod, we need to fix it.--Sokac121 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
* Hounding my edits wont help here, Sokac. Someone should fix Country into State party. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 13:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
* But we don't actually need "state party", which is not a sufficiently significant piece of information (like much of the present content) to meet MOS:INFOBOX: "When considering any aspect of infobox design, keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize key facts in the article in which it appears. The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Of necessity, some infoboxes contain more than just a few fields; however, wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content." Johnbod (talk) 14:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
* But state party is THE information we need. Monument, and state party of that origin. It is two essentials, or key facts. Then we should exclude locations, as that is less important that state party. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 15:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
* We still need to fix this; changing "state party" to "location" seems to be the simplest solution. bobrayner (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
* Yes, just do it. Johnbod (talk) 12:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
* Oh! I didn't realise the full-protection had been downgraded to semiprotection since then. Done. Will make a couple more tweaks... bobrayner (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
* Reduction of protection level does not entitle anybody to impose their position without consensus.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:26, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
* Until just now we had (after 7 months) 3 for, 1 against, which is consensus. Johnbod (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
* There's a clear consensus here. Thanks for your concern, Antidiskriminator. bobrayner (talk) 03:04, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Modularisation
Further to comments at the recent TfD, we should now work on making this template a module of applicable infoboxes, and deprecating its stand-alone use, as the main infobox on articles about notable structures, places or most other features. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
* I missed that. I have no problem with the concept of a WHS infobox, sometimes to be used alone, especially for less well-known Global South sites. I agree we need to develop a range of better templates for more flexible use. Johnbod (talk) 15:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
* It's nearly one year on. If this isn't modularised soon, I'll TfD it again. Perhaps, or can help? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
* It has been clearly explained in the previous TfD which ended with unanimous "keep" why this infobox needs to remain available for stand-alone use. -- ELEKHHT 13:58, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
* The closing summary was "The result of the discussion was keep. Please feel free to discuss the embedding requirement further on the talk page", and that's what I'm doing. Meanwhile the numerous problems with this infobox as it stands are detailed at length, above. You'll note that my comments above did not suggest that the infobox should not "remain available for stand-alone use". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Multi-site location maps
I noticed a recurring desire to include multiple sites within the infobox, for designations split over a number of sites. It occurred to me that using Location map+ it might be possible to do this, by putting it where you would normally expect the image to be. (It means you can't have both a map and an image in the same infobox - but on a multi-site designation that could be considered an advantage). The example here shows the four North Welsh castles, but you can add as many Location map~ entries as you need, provided you have Lat and Long data for each. The link item assumes there is also an individual article for each separate site. The infobox could then be useful within a section on each of those sites, to show how it relates to the rest of the world heritage site, as well as on an article that might be specifically about the designation. RobinLeicester (talk) 00:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikidata version
Hi all. At the request of, I've made a start with a Wikidata-driven version of this infobox. This means that all of the parameters use Wikidata as the default option, but they can be locally overriden if need be. The draft is at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata, and I'm testing it at Liverpool Maritime Mercantile City (I'll add a few more test articles soon). Once we know it's working right, then we can merge it into the template here. I hope that's all OK, please let me know if you have any questions! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
* Thanks, as a little bit of background a few months ago I worked with some other people to import data on UNESCO inscription programmes including World Heritage sites into Wikdiata. All World Heritage sites are now on Wikidata and have at least the following fields: Name in English and French, date inscribed as a WH site, country, coordinates, WH criteria for inclusion, WH website URL. I've also done some work on adding images to WH site Wikidata items where none existed before. I will be adding Wikidata items for the nely inscribed places shortly. --John Cummings (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
* I should probably point out that not every WHS that has an article here on en.Wikipedia uses this infobox template. It has been somewhat controversial in the past (see the 2010 discussion, and the 2013 deletion discussion, for example). Furthermore, many articles, including some of the new 2016 inscribed places, have infoboxes that instead utilize the Template:Designation system that helps display multiple heritage/historical designations other than WHS. For example, when the Archaeological Site of Nalanda was inscribed earlier this month, the parameters using this system were enabled on that article's infobox. It has been my observation these past few years that Infobox World Heritage Site is generally only added if an article did not already have an existing infobox (like Zuojiang Huashan Rock Art Cultural Landscape) So, I just want to make it clear that importing such data from Wikidata into here at en.Wikipedia will only be partially used or helpful, until there is a time when all infoboxes using the Template:Designation system are also modified. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:56, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
* Thanks for pointing that out! It's not too big a problem, since the really nice thing with Wikidata-driven infoboxes is that the data all comes from the same place. So we can get things working here, then look at the other (much more complex) infobox templates that also incorporate WHS info.
* Also: some pages seem to use both this infobox, and another infobox, e.g., see Toruń (one in the normal top-right place, another in the Economy section), which is a little odd. Any idea how that came about? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
* I had to go to the page history for that one. Here's the short story: I would assume that the one in the Economy section was moved there because its third paragraph mentions the city's "architectural heritage". That was placed before the Template:Designation system was fully established, which is the one now used in the normal top-right place. The editor who added it there probably did not realize the other one in the Economy section. As for the other articles that use both, I would also have to see on a case-by-case basis. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:22, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Country
How come this template can't display the country anymore? Even though the country is still in the template syntax.--Balthazarduju (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
* People couldn't agree on whether to call it "country" or "state party", so it was deleted. It looks like both parameters are still widely used. Alakzi (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
* Something ought to be done to redirect the old "Country" or "State Party" into the new "Location". Many templates no longer shows the country or any location at all.--Balthazarduju (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
* fixed. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Error message and tracking category for unsupported parameters
I have added error tracking for unsupported parameters to this template. See. A red error message appears when you Preview the article, between the edit screen and the rendered preview. In the category, the articles are sorted by the name of the parameter that is unsupported.
I have added this error-checking to a number of heavily used infoboxes, and it usually goes smoothly, highlighting errors that improve the articles that end up in the category. Every once in a while, parameters are missed or something goes wrong. If that happens, don't panic, just post here and I will be happy to fix it. Revert the change if you feel that you must.
If I have made any mistakes in coding, or if template changes are desired, please let me know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:31, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
* It looks like the vast majority of articles with errors are using state party. I see that there was discussion about this parameter above. Articles in the error category are sorted by the first letter of the unsupported parameter that they are using. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
* I re-enabled this parameter, but will check for any collisions with Location. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Revised version that incorporates Wikidata - feedback wanted
Hi all. I've been working on Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata to create a modified version of this template that supports Wikidata. I think this is nearly completed, so I'd like to start the discussion about merging it with the main version. Things to note: The two templates can exist in parallel for now, and both can be used independently, but that doesn't make sense in the long run, hence this request to merge it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
* Where possible, the template automatically fetches Wikidata values and displays those, along with links to relevant articles, automatic conversion of units (e.g. m -> ft), location maps, and references
* If you don't want to use Wikidata in an article, then you can - just set local values for parameters and they won't be fetched from Wikidata. You can also suppress individual fields that you never want to appear in a given article using suppressfields=
* The template is currently live in these articles. In most of the cases there, all of the template is created from Wikidata (i.e., you just use in the article, and everything is pulled over from Wikidata
* Along the way I have done some restyling of the template to simplify it and make it look more similar to other infoboxes that I've worked on. That includes simpler styling, removal of external links like "Name as inscribed on the World Heritage List", and a few other bits and pieces. Please have a look at one of the Wikidata-powered templates and compare it to current uses to see all of the changes.
* I have removed two parameters: Type and Region. The first seems to be a derived parameter from the criteria, so I can add that back automatically if needed, but I'm not sure why it is needed? The region parameter seems to be used to point to list articles here, but not necessarily the correct one, so again I'm not sure it's needed?
* I'm happy to make changes to the template prior to merging it if needed, so if anything I've changed doesn't look right then please say and I'll try to alter it!
* as people involved in the thread above about this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
* As an example, I've converted Kathmandu Valley (the main example used for this template) to use the Wikidata version. Before and after. Diff, and see the Wikidata entry. "Extension" is the one parameter that I think should be kept but I haven't figured out how to migrate to Wikidata yet, so it's still locally defined (I've proposed a new property that will hopefully be able to handle this). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
* Hi this looks great :) I would really like the creation date to the built World Heritage sites to be displayed, but very few of them have have the information in Wikidata currently, is it possible to set up the infobox so it will automatically appear once the data has been added?
* Thanks
* --John Cummings (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
* That should be possible - can you point me to an example site where the creation date is known (and ideally that info is on Wikidata), please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
* I do not see any problems so far. But again, I'm not a big fan of this template, per the arguments presented in the debates I linked to in the previous thread. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and merged the Wikidata version with the main version. If there are any problems, please ping me and I'll investigate them. Thanks! Mike Peel (talk) 02:15, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* , your edit appears to have removed valid parameters like the lower-case coordinates that is the standard for infoboxes, and it appears to have removed the unknown parameter check. Can you please explain how I am wrong or restore the parameters and other template elements that you have deleted? Thanks.
* Also, Santiago de Compostela is displaying two sets of coordinates, because there are multiple infoboxes on the page, and the world heritage infobox did not display coordinates until today. It was not showing duplicate coordinates before the change.
* The documentation has inconsistent capitalization for the parameter names.
* Are you planning to clean up if you can get this template working properly? – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks for the bug reports. I've fixed the lower-case coordinates and unknown parameter checks. I need to do a bit of work to figure out how to handle the duplicate coordinates - ideally this template would just be used in child mode in that case, but I'm not sure that's supported by infobox settlement... I'll tidy the documentation later today, and wil be working through the locally defined parameters category over time. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks, looks better. Perhaps inline,title should be changed to inline until you find a better way to fix the duplicated coordinates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* Good idea, I've done that for now. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
The change seems to have added a large number of articles to Category:Pages with script errors. Something similar happened with Template:Infobox telescope, which led to a couple of articles with problems I fixed, and it looks like the same problem – using country names from Wikidata that do not match the names of Location Map template/module data here. Straightforward enough, though tedious, to fix the articles, but if it’s going to keep happening then perhaps needs a solution in code.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 19:54, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* Yes, there do seem to be some matching issues between Wikidata countries and location map templates. I'm thinking a mix of redirects to location maps, and some if statements for particularly problematic countries (such as the USA, which includes Hawaii but doesn't show it on the map), to solve this. There's a bit of a discussion at Module_talk:Location_map. If you can let me know which countries you're spotting problems with, I can try to do a systematic fix for them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* The ones I recall fixing were China and People’s Republic of China – the map data is at "China". I only looked at a couple of the latest errors, one also was China, another had two other countries separated by a comma. Looks from the list that quite a few are in China.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 21:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
* After some experimenting in the sandbox (which I recommend, since this template is used in 1000+ articles), I think I have worked around this problem by testing for the existence of a Location map template that corresponds to the Wikidata "country" property. If it doesn't exist, the Location map is not shown. If I am reading this version and the former version of the template correctly, I think that this may remove the Location map from a few articles that use the custom locmapin parameter, but that will be resolved soon, when scrubs all 1,000 articles to remove locally defined parameters that cause us to need these workarounds. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:00, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
* I was working on Wikidata location map, and was just about to implement it when applied his solution. For now, their solution does look better though, so I'll leave that in place and will test this template at Template:Infobox telescope instead. The problem is less about locally defined parameters than it is about Wikidata vs. enwp conventions for names, though. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
* It seems that location map also stores map info at Module:Location map/data/Country, which confused me for a while. :-) I've added the check you created to Wikidata location map, along with an additional check of the module data, and am now using that here. It's not the nicest code (due to parser template limitations), but it seems to work. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:14, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Baptism (and this talk page) is in the script errors category due to its use of this infobox. Baptism is also in Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site with missing Location map template which is shown in red at the bottom of the article (the category currently has 133 pages). The html source includes the following:
* Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 364: No value was provided for longitude.
Johnuniq (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
* What's an infobox doing half-way down the page on a random article? :-/ I've removed it from Baptism now. I'll start working through the others. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:48, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
New errors
Arbitrary break. I am seeing a strange error in Canelli. For me, it says "Location méxico", and there is a resulting script error, but when I click Edit on Wikidata, there is no "méxico" to be found. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
* I am also seeing a script error in Camino Real de Tierra Adentro because of a dual location. I think that my previous code worked around this problem; the new Wikidata location map code may still need some adjustment. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
* I think the first was due to this vandalism on Wikidata, which has already been reverted. With the latter, the problem I'm having is that #ifexist does not seem to work with modules - if I do, then I get 'no' - but also, if I do I get "no"! I've now used #iferror to hide the error message if the previous if statements haven't caught it, which is the best I can do for now - I think this probably needs someone who knows Lua to do a better job. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
* Any idea why the session in wikicode is not displaying in reader view at Réunion National Park? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
* Pinging : Session no longer exists in the template. I don't know if this is related to the problem immediately above, but can you please make the template's documentation match its functionality, either by fixing the template to work as it used to or by gaining consensus to remove the parameters that you have removed from the template? – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
* Ah, thanks for pointing this out. I'd accidentally converted the year and session parameters to Wikidata-only, and in the cases I'd looked at that data was available on Wikidata and the template wasn't showing any errors. I've now fixed the code, and it should work properly again. BTW, you don't need to specify session if you specify year, as I understand that session can always be derived from the year through the case statement in the template code (unless there are any cases where this doesn't work?). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks for the quick fix. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:52, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Change Location, alphabeti, and image captions
How do you change location? I have tried Location= but it seems the template only takes data from Wikidata. Belfries of Belgium and France says the location is France, Belgium, which should be changed to France and Belgium. How do you suppress the coordinate? I removed it from Wikidata, but thats probably not a soulution. This article lists all the coordinates. How to make the list alphabetic? (The "Includes" list). And the template shouldn't take the caption from Wikidata unless the image is from Wikidata. Christian75 (talk) 06:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
* Use locamapin to tell it the location used for the map.
Now my question: how do you disable the map altogether, so stop it trying to draw it and suppressing the error? I’m looking at Camino Real de Tierra Adentro which it would be easy to add a location map to but it has a good one already, and the WHS is so large that no one map for one country makes sense, so adding another map would make it worse.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 12:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
* Ah, I see someone has noticed this one already in the above section. Still, the obvious thing to do in this case is disable the map, and there should be an easy way to do this for editors.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 12:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks for the feedback. I've made some changes to the template, so that location= is now available as a local override (I meant to make this available from the start, this was an accidental omission, sorry). Coordinates can now be disabled by setting nocoord=True, and it's similar for the map with nomap=True. I've asked about alphabetical ordering at Module_talk:WikidataIB (it's not currently an available feature). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:48, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Location vs location - The doc says it's "Location" but Module "Check for unknown parameters" is now checking for "location" based on a recent change. Which should it be? Ahwiv (talk) 14:04, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
* , please fix. You said above that you would be available to fix this template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks for the ping - and apologies for not spotting this sooner. Either of "location" or "Location" now work, and both are allowed by the parameter check. BTW, note that locations no longer display when the template is used as a child, which I think is the desired behaviour (since location is normally shown in the infobox that the template is embedded into), but please let me know if that's not the case. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:30, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Medici villas:
* is the new improved outsourced automated template supposed to emit a bare URL as a reference?
* is there an advantage in displaying opaque non-obvious jargonistic information such as "criteria" over intuitively understandable information such as "type"?
* the pseudo-precise coordinates and small pin in the location map suggest the World Heritage Site is at one particular place, but there are actually a dozen villas spread across a large region. (The coordinates are actually for *one* of the dozen villas included by UNESCO, and there are a dozen or more that are not included.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 07:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
* Sorry for not spotting this sooner. In reply: 1) the references should have titles, access dates, etc. - providing that these have been set on Wikidata. Unfortunately there are some cases where only the URL has been given as a reference on Wikidata. 2) This is worth discussing. As far as I am aware, the type can be derived from the criteria - should we do this? But in terms of storing the raw data, storing the criteria makes more sense than storing the type. 3) This needs development - ideally we would be showing a map of all of the coordinates, but I don't know how to do that at the moment. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Map size after May 2017 changes
A functionality previously available in the Location map template system was the ability to define a scaling factor for vertically-oriented maps which would otherwise be overly stretched when scaled to fill the default width specified by infoboxes. For an example where this is a problem, see Humberstone and Santa Laura Saltpeter Works. Can the new template be modified to incorporate these scaling factors? The old Location map templates drew the values from the parameter in each individual template, and multiplied them to the default widths specified by the infoboxes. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
* The scaling should have been on by default. It wasn't working here as the width was being set with a default of 300px, which overrode the scaling. I've now changed that, and the maps should be appearing at the correct size now. Please let me know if this isn't the case! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
* It's working now, thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Changes are causing citation errors
, please look at what changes to this template appear to be doing to put pages in. It may be better to experiment in the template's sandbox and to create a set of testcases. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:34, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks for pointing out the errors. This is due to a recent change in the way that citations from Wikidata are handled. I'll raise this at Template:Cite Q. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
More errors
Something in this template is causing Roman Theatre of Orange and Triumphal Arch of Orange to report links to the disambiguation page, Orange. Please fix. bd2412 T 13:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* Is this a live error, or a cached one? I can't spot the links in the article or the infobox. Either way, I think this should be solved by the replacement for Wikidata location that's under development by, also see Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_158. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* I've migrated those two infoboxes completely to Wikidata. Can you see if the problem is still continuing after the caches have refreshed, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* As of now, the what links here page for articles linked to "Orange" still shows these two as having links. bd2412 T 16:17, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* OK, I've isolated the problem. If you include in the page, then it will appear in Orange's WhatLinksHere. This appears to be a feature rather than a bug, as it's documented in paragraph 4 of mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions. It's not so much of an issue with this template, as an issue with mediawiki itself. I think RexxS's new module will avoid this happening, so let's wait until that's ready. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:53, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* How long will we be waiting? bd2412 T 17:08, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
* That's a question for, but I think most of the work has been done, it just needs some last tweaks before it's implemented. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:19, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Citation problems
In the article Copán the citation returned by this template appears as a raw url. This is contrary to guidance in WP:CITE.
If a fuller link is included this can cause problems of inconsistency in the citations, if for example this is formatted as a inline long citation on a page of inline short citations. I suggest that the citation is formatted as belonging to a group (eg lower-alpha) and that the citation appears in its own notes section at the bottom of the template. -- PBS (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
* The reference appears as a raw URL as that is the only piece of information about the reference in the current Wikidata entry - the easiest way to fix this is to expand the reference on Wikidata to include the title/publisher/accessdate/etc. Inconsistent referencing styles is an issue (since we don't have a standard referencing system here), and there's not much I can do about that right now (except for bugging the developers of Module:Wd and Module:Wikidata to expand support for different referencing systems). Note that references can be turned off in individual infoboxes if needed (set refs=no). References should be kept in a references section, and not in the infobox! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Alarming increase in disambiguation link false positives.
Use of this template to import Wikidata content is beginning to cause an alarming number of false positives, which are highly disruptive to the work of disambiguators. Something needs to be done to prevent these false positives from cropping up, before they come to overwhelm the disambiguation project. bd2412 T 17:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
* Melbourne Observatory, Great Melbourne Telescope, and Carlton Gardens have false links to "Victoria"
* Church of San Francisco, Castro, Church of Nercón, Church of Chelín, and Church of Rilán have false links to "Castro"
* Place Stanislas has a false link to "Nancy"
* I think new module will fix these, although I'm not sure when that will be ready. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
* Can we desist in doing whatever is causing the problem until this module is ready? bd2412 T 23:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
* OK, I've removed the ifexist statement that I think is causing these issues. Please let me know if you still see issues after the page caches have been refreshed (this needed a null edit at Place Stanislas to clear it). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:08, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
* Yes, thank you. This has resolved the issue for all of the above links, and likely scores more. bd2412 T 00:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
* Great. :-) Thanks for your patience here! Mike Peel (talk) 00:24, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Please allow local website
Hortobágy National Park has a few problems at the moment:
* The website is sourced to the Italian Wikivoyage, not a reliable source at all
* The website given is the generic Hungarian one, but they have an English page as well, here
* I have no (obvious) way to override the Wikidata value here with a local value
* The value at Wikidata should not be overwritten, as it is correct there (international) but not here (English Wikipedia)
* I don't see an option to get a non-Wikidata version of the template (instead of just the field) either
Please change this template to allow the addition of a website on enwiki if the Wikidata one is not the right one (please change this for all parameters which don't have this option yet). Fram (talk) 10:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* "website=" should work. I'll check through the documentation later today. There should also be a way of marking the language of the website on wikidata and fetching the correct language version, but I'm not sure what it is - I'll investigate that too. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* Doesn't seem to work... Fram (talk) 11:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* All lower case. Mike Peel (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* I've applied a quick fix so that both 'website' and 'Website' now work. More this evening. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* Thank you. Fram (talk) 14:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
* I've expanded the documentation now (sorry for the delay). I think it's possible to store language-specific URLs in Wikidata like this, but I'm not sure how to fetch them ( any ideas?). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
* I'd have to write a new call based on the code in getQualifierValue. Something like getValueByQualifier which would return the all the values of the property that had a particular value for a qualifier. In your case you could then fetch all the values of where the qualifier was equal to . You'd have to decide how to deal with multiple values because there's nothing to stop an editor adding other official English websites. It is theoretically a "single-value" property, but there are 9645 violations (including yours). Unfortunately, the sandbox where we're working on capping the maximum number of values returned is now desynchronised by changes to the main module, and I'm disinclined to struggle with sorting out another new call under those circumstances. --RexxS (talk) 22:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
RfC: revert back to non-Wikidata version?
In May 2017, this infobox was converted to a Wikidata-based one. Should it remain as such or should we revert to the local version? Fram (talk) 13:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Survey
I am happy to work on improvements with people and encourage others to oppose this backwards step. Leela0808 (talk) 19:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support reversal to non-Wikidata based version per reasoning and many examples below (more available on request!). Local version simply has much less issues and is much more stable. Fram (talk) 14:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose There are nearly 1,000 instances of this that are using Wikidata information entirely. Another 500 or so need local checking/adding to Wikidata to make sure they are working correctly, but the answer is to fix those not to break the others. Mike Peel (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support reversal to use infoboxes that do not draw information from wikidata as there are too much off site information, usually in a format that does not match wiki article in question. Keith D (talk) 23:35, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
* The apparent inability to add intermediate administrative districts is a big problem Taking a look at an arbitrary example in my area of expertise, Eastern Qing tombs (using the Wikidata-driven infobox) is described as being located in Zunhua, China. Which skips over two layers of administrative regions: Tangshan (which may not be particularly useful to most readers) and Hebei. This is a bit like describing something as being located in Carmangay, Canada (ignoring Vulcan County, Alberta), or Staffordshire, Earth. Editing the Location parameter in the infobox unintuitively does nothing directly. I made a couple edits to the relevant Wikidata entry, first adding "Hebei" to the "located in the administrative territorial entity" statement, then when that did nothing manually adding another "located in the administrative territorial entity" statement with the value "Hebei", which just merged the statements together. "Zunhua" is then selected to display instead of – rather than prior to – "Hebei". If we're going to draw data for this infobox from Wikidata, each field (possibly excepting coordinates and catalogue code) should have a local override to deal with cases like this. Snuge purveyor (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
* I note that Eastern Qing tombs now displays "Zunhua, Hebei", PRC in the infobox like I suggested. I just added a provincial-level designation to Dujiangyan at Wikidata as well, but the template output seems to ignore it, which makes it unclear to me what behaviour has changed. I will also note here that the Location parameter is already locally overrideable provided one changes it to location. I missed this case sensitivity in the documentation previously. Snuge purveyor (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks - both the cases you give seem to be working now, so there seems to be a short delay between editing the info on wikidata and it appearing here. Maybe try purging the cache after you've made the edit (add ?action=purge onto the end of the URL). I've tweaked the code so that Location= is now supported (I keep forgetting that this template has used upper-case labels, as I've always used lower-case only, but it's easy enough to support both). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
* support. The effort to migrate these infoboxes is causing far too many problems. I just noticed new reports on Mike Peel’s talk page, a page only on my watchlist due to previous problems, some of the many reported. Even if working reliably it presents editors with a far worse experience when they hit 'edit' to edit a page or section and see not the fact they want to correct but nothing that matches the article content. The last RfC on this was clear: infoboxes should only pull information from wikidata when there is no data on Wikipedia. Many of the editors then raised concerns about sourcing and [ease of] editing, and four years on these have not been addressed.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 04:26, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support - I respect the effort that's gone in here, but drawing on data from outside the Wiki in this way makes it much harder for editors to edit and maintain articles. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:51, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support per abundant reasons cited above. I furthermore caution Mike Peel that sanctions may be warranted if you continue making edits while discussion is underway which are solely and blatantly disruptive if consensus goes against you. I apologize if any bad-example diffs slipped in there. There are so many potentially disruptive edits that it's tedious to double check them all. I can see no credible justification for stripping information out of countless infoboxes when you know dang well that discussion is underway and your edits disruptively increase the work of converting back to a non-wikidata infobox. Alsee (talk) 00:31, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* Note that those edits were before my comment below, after which I have not made any more such edits (although Fram has not done the same). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:55, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose any reversions done simply because some editors don't like Wikidata. The decision to use wikidata in any particular article needs to be in the hands of the editors who curate that article, not the zealots who are determined to stop any progress in building sensible central repositories for all the Wikimedia projects. --RexxS (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* but it wasn’t put it the hands of the editors who curate these articles. That would be if e.g. the template were created and then publicised, with editors able to use it as they see fit. Instead it was mass-inserted into those articles by one editor with as far as I can see no prior discussion at any of them. The first other editors knew about it was when they noticed the problems it was creating.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 16:22, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* The editors who curate the articles now have a choice: to use local parameters; or to fetch information from Wikidata. You want a Wikipedia where the second choice is taken away from them. --RexxS (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support per Hchc2009. For the record, I also support Johnbod's efforts in the past to reduce much of the clutter on this infobox. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support. I have been dealing with Wikidata recently over infoboxes generating incorrect links (particularly links to disambiguation pages); the response that I have gotten is that these issues are not fixable there, and that our infoboxes need to be adjusted to not use the Wikidata information in those cases. In that case, that is exactly what we should do. bd2412 T 03:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support. It is clearly preferable that the text of Wikipedia articles is held on Wikipedia, and not outsourced. (Is anyone actually checking each item of information that is imported automatically from Wikidata?) It is also preferable that editorial decisions about article content are made on Wikipedia, not buried in automated templates a way that that is difficult for regular editors to change. Keep experimenting, by all means; but the level of problems identified above and elsewhere clearly demonstrates that this implementation is not good enough to be the default at this time. (And Infobox artwork/wikidata is even more problematic than this one.) Theramin (talk) 23:48, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
* Support - The change did not improve the template; it actually made it worse. That is an easy line to draw to determine whether it should stay or not. Nihlus 05:12, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
* NOTE: all !votes below here followed canvassing by Mike Peel at WikidataCon (thoug he didn't realise that what he did was canvassing), and a subsequent discussion of this at Administrators' noticeboard. Fram (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose per Mike Peel and RexxS, it's working just fine in many articles. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason to roll back improvements. Gamaliel ( talk ) 16:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
* Hi Gamaliel. It's working just fine in many articles is not a reason to support keeping a template which is definitely not working fine in many other articles, and where we have an alternative which works fine in all articles. This has nothing to do with "idontlikeit", but "ifontlikeyou" is not a valid reason to oppose things of course. Fram (talk) 11:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Since you apparaently object to others doing so, please fix your broken markup. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
* Anything that makes you happy... Fram (talk) 05:48, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose as per reasons already given. Battleofalma (talk) 18:33, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose Working on fixing the issues would have been more productive and long term effective than starting this vote.
* Leela, many of those calling for reverting the template to its former version have noted that they do not wish to have to follow and engage on two Wiki systems (the English language Wikipedia, and Wikidata) to maintain articles on the English Wikipedia. It's a pain and takes more time. I can't really see this issue can be "fixed" without reverting to the former version - what were you proposing doing? Hchc2009 (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Maintaining articles already involves using two wikis, except for articles where there are no associated images. Richard Nevell (talk) 14:49, 29 October 2017 (UTC)***Keeping an eye on images on the Commons is irritating, but at least we don’t need to worry about tracking vandalism and OR etc there... forcing editors to track a third site where vandalism etc is an issue feels simply unnecessary... Hchc2009 (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* For people working on the same set of content across N languages, iwatching 3 wikis beats having to watch N+1 wiki... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose. The world heritage sites are worldwide and therefore the local information about them is mostly not in English. To use Wikidata as a language-independent database for information about them is IMO very good to have. It can help dramatically when creating a new wikipedia site and keeping the information on existing ones up-to-date with the help of more local persons. How the existing boxes should be transformed can be discussed. Moreover, it is still possible to overwrite the Wikidata values with local ones. --Zuphilip (talk) 09:32, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Zuphilip - you can already cite non-English sources on the Wikipedia, provided they meet WP:VERIFIABILITY - I cite French ones all the time, for example. No-one is suggesting deleting Wikidata, so if anyone wishes to create a new Wikipedia site (e.g. in a new language etc.) they can draw on that data if they wish to. As above, though, many of us don't wish to have to work on several Wiki sites in order to maintain articles on the English Wikipedia. Hchc2009 (talk) 13:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Can I just ask where this was mentioned to suddenly get 4 oppose votes in a row after weeks with little or no opposes? This is strange... Fram (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* It's certainly unusual, I'd agree. Some of the additional contributors are relatively "new" to the Wiki (Zuphilip has made only 72 edits over the last ten years, for example; Leela, 462 edits over the last five) and don't seem to have any previous connections to this topic. While you don't need to be a wiki-addict to make valuable contributions to a debate (!) - it's the quality of your contribution, not your "time served" that matters - I'd be inclined to agree that the pattern is odd unless the debate has been highlighted elsewhere. Hchc2009 (talk) 13:12, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* I included a mention of this template and the RfC in commons:File:Wikidatacon 2017. Wikidata-powered infoboxes.pdf (slide 20) as part of a review of Wikidata infoboxes on enwp at Wikidatacon2017. Note that I did not WP:CANVAS for votes. BTW, note that many people that have participated earlier in this discussion do not have previous connections to this topic that I'm aware of. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* Canvassing isn't just asking to support or oppose one position. Simply asking people with one specific interest (e.g. like here, people more likely to support the use of Wikidata in as much places as possible) is also canvassing, and not allowed. Thanks for being open about it though. Fram (talk) 16:25, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
* NB: It looks as though an ANI debate has been started on the canvassing question by Fram - the link is WP:AN. Hchc2009 (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
* I strongly suggest any closer should read the AdminNoticeboard discussion linked above. Alsee (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose Given that fields can be overridden if necessary, I'm not seeing there would be much to gain by rolling out the changes. Mike has been responsive to suggestions and has actively been improving the infobox so perhaps this could be viewed as an opportunity to suggest further improvements. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
* With Wikidata infoboxes, one only knows that a field needs to be overridden (long) after the fact, as they don't show up in page history and on most people's watchlists (and don't get me started on recent changes). One can hardly preactively override all fields where someone on Wikidata may make a change which is unwanted on enwiki (well, one can easily do that, by using a non-Wikidata infobox, but that's not what you want). If in reality way too many of these infoboxes contain errors (which Mike Peel introduced in many cases in the first place by replacing local override values with the central "everything from Wikidata" version), then the nice theories about what is possible should be abandoned, and this should be seen as an opportunity to use a local, working, improved version instead. Fram (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* Oppose per all of the above opposes. Also, while I was at WikidataCon, I only became aware of this discussion after seeing it mentioned on WP:ANI. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
* Support Having read through the arguments, one point that has not been, and probably cannot be, eliminated is that it is a vandalism vector that is not under the control of this project. The suggested changes are attempts to restrict that vector but cannot remove it. No matter how righteous the majority of Wikidata's user base may be, it is smaller and less active and provides longer correction times. To make an analogy: I live in a semi-rural area with a very low crime rate and yet I lock my doors at night. Leaving this template open to Wikidata leaves at least one door to this project unlocked. This is neither overly-cautious nor paranoid nor a refutation of the sister project. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
* "it is smaller and less active" It has more items than en.Wikipedia has articles; and more edits per week than en.Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:58, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
* An item on Wikidata is not comparable to an article on enwiki in nearly all cases, and the number of edits is mostly due to two factors, the massive number of bot edits and the need for humans to make many very small edits to get a result, where here one can do a lot more in one edit usually. Plus of course many so-called Wikidata edits are not edits on Wikidata at all, but things like page moves on some wiki which automatically get copied on Wikidata with a false attribution to the page mover. Fram (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* Comment: Note that people are finding this infobox useful and are adding the Wikidata version, e.g. at and Ancient City of Damascus where the Wikidata version of the infobox was added/converted from a child template in the last few days. I guess pinging those editors here would count as canvassing though... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Threaded discussion
In May 2017, this was converted to a Wikidata-based infobox. Nothing wrong with that, doing this is allowed. However, it seems to be that the end result is at best the same we had with the previous infobox, and at worst (and usual) we have a worse infobox now than before, which can't be the intention. Of course, many issues can be fixed, but the problem is that new issues arise constantly, while the local infobox was stable and had few if any problems. For example, Mike Peel (who did the hard work in this conversion) stated "As an example, I've converted Kathmandu Valley (the main example used for this template) to use the Wikidata version." Comparing the old version with the current one shows
* We now have a local caption, but a Wikidata image which doesn't match it (the earlier caption and image went together, and the local image was superior to the Wikidata-driven one
* The criteria have changed from "iii, iv, vi" to "Cultural: (iii), (iv), (vi)": the addition of "cultural" is an improvement, the use of brackets not so much
* The "endangered: 2003-2007" now has a "citation needed" in the infobox; having this in the body only is sufficient (it can be sourced to this by the way
Now, this is the actual testing example, so presumably the best. I have tried to improve the template at Hortobágy National Park, where I had to come here to get the possibility to add a website overriding the Wikidata one (which wasn't a problem in the old version), where I then had to override a few other Wikidata values as well, and where I can't find how to layout the name of the Heritage Site (with italics for "puszta"), which was again not a problem in the old version
On Mexico City, we have now an infobox claiming
* Location: Mexico, First Mexican Empire, Viceroyalty of New Spain, Mexico
* Area 1,485 km2 (1.598×1010 sq ft)
No idea why square klometers gets converted to square feet, but anyway: the area is totally wrong, and the location is ... just weird.
The area is wrong on all(?) instances where you get the infobox included in an article on a city where part is also a heritage site (e.g. Kyoto. Location is also often an issue, e.g. the mountain range the Dolomites is apparently located only in Cortina d'Ampezzo, even though the Unseco itself simply gives Italy as the much more correct location.
Basically, the template worked better as a local template than as a Wikidata-driven one, and less unexpected problems arose. Fram (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2017 (UTC) See e.g. also Quito, which has the location "Ecuador, Ecuador" (once is enough, thank you), and doesn't have an "Area" of "290 km2 (3.1×109 sq ft)", but of 320 ha.
* This template was and is absolutely appalling and a blot on Wikipedia. It is filled up with a load of bureaucratic nonsense from UNICEF that is of absolutely no use to the reader (who can if they really want to know what continent India is in consult the WHS site) and fails to give the reader any indication of what they do want to know - what the site includes, when it was made, and who by. It is a triumph of mindless nerdery and wholly unencyclopedic (for more detail see my rants back to 2010 in sections above). We should start introducing a proper infobox, with a little link somewhere to the WHS site. Having said that, there does seem to be some improvement in reducing the clutter, and at least at Humayun's Tomb it was Mike Peel's edit that did that. But in general I'm not in favour of driving WP from Wikidata. Johnbod (talk) 14:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* True, but if we have it, then at least let's not have things like Semmering railway, which I'm certain you'll love. Fram (talk) 14:34, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* I've been trying to condense the bureaucratic lines overall, and also used the template in child mode wherever possible (so there aren't multiple infobox templates on the same page, and there isn't duplication of information presented by them). I've also expanded a bit the info given when the template is used in a stand-alone function, which hopefully makes it more useful there (and hopefully you'll agree that it's easier to convert to a child template if you want to add a new, more appropriate infobox in those cases). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
Semmering railway has as Wikidata-driven sources things like this, which is of course an unacceptable source. And it doesn't have this once, it has it seven times in a row: Location Gloggnitz, Prigglitz, Payerbach, Breitenstein, Semmering, Spital am Semmering, Mürzzuschlag[1][2][3][4][5][6][7], Austria[1] Edit this at Wikidata". Not only that, it also "Includes Q801311, Q32607493 Edit this on Wikidata". Wow, it includes two Q-numbers (without even a link), what encyclopedic information! Perhaps the official location of "Between Gloggnitz, State of Lower Austria and Simmering, State of Styria" would have been more useful, and with the official Unesco site as simple reference?
Basically, a template on important monuments which creates this as the reference list is not really acceptable: "https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24736; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24740; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24743; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24772; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24773; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=24867; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017. https://tools.wmflabs.org/heritage/api/api.php?action=search&format=json&srcountry=at&srlanguage=de&srid=9703; Monuments database; publication date: 18 August 2017."
Now, all of this can probably be corrected at Wikidata and/or in the template, but it shouldn't be necessary, and we had much less of this shit with the local template instead. Fram (talk) 14:34, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
I try to look at different types of World Heritage Sites. Something like Burgundy wine for example: it has "Coordinates 50°N 0°E". Which is weird, because the value is not given locally, the Wikidata item has "53°N, 0°E", and the Unesco site has "N47 3 29 E4 51 52". Then the location is "Location Yonne, Saône-et-Loire, Côte d'Or, France Edit this at Wikidata" but the official location is either "France" or "the slopes of the Côte de Nuits and the Côte de Beaune south of the city of Dijon", which at first sight are all located in the Cote d'Or, not in the other two regions. Fram (talk) 14:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* You are looking at an old version of the template, you should no longer be seeing references. Please purge your cache. You are also talking about cases where the infobox is partially from Wikidata and partially local, and cases where the infobox has been previously misplaced. I'm slowly working through those to fix them. Please look at the articles I've already converted to use Wikidata only when giving examples. Mike Peel (talk) 20:21, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* I've changed the Semmering railway infobox to use the child version of this infobox, and I hope you'll agree that it's much better now. This literally took me 10 seconds to do, as the WHS info was already present on Wikidata and just needed double-checking before saving the edit. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* I've removed the infobox from Mexico City as it should never have been there in the first place. It belongs at Historic center of Mexico City, which now uses this infobox in child form. The same applies to a lot of the other cases where this infobox is used in cities, and I'm slowly working through these to fix them (these are more complicated to do as they need more checking, and often the WHS info needs adding to the Wikidata entry for the correct article). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* On Kathmandu Valley, I'm not sure why changed the image but not the caption on Wikidata (I've tidied this on Wikidata but left the new image in place for now). The citation needed tag was added locally, not via Wikidata. I've added the reference you mentioned and tidied up location. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* (ec)I was "looking at an old version of the template"? No, the article had the template "Infobox World Heritage Site", which is the one we are discussing here. If it shouldn't be used in that way, then again it shows how much problems the current version creates. Like I said, you may be able to solve them, but why? Why change a working, stable version with a version which has caused all kinds of problems the last few months, like the above section on "Alarming increase in disambiguation link false positives." You get a lot less of these issues with standard infoboxes, so why insist on using this one anyway? "You are also talking about cases where the infobox is partially from Wikidata and partially local": did any of the issues arise from the local values? If not, then why bring this up? Or does the template not work well if you add local values? Then that's yet another reason to switch back to a fully local version instead. While you are very helpful in fixing individual issues, the underlying problem remains. Fram (talk) 20:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* You were looking at a cached version of the template before this edit if you were seeing references. Most of the work I've been doing with this template has been to tidy up inconsistent local usage here; it's been placed in the wrong articles, with e.g. various formatting of (i), i, (I), a lot of unnecessary links that shouldn't be in the infobox, and so on. Quite a few of the issues you are raising here are caused by those local usage issues. If you'd like, compare the set of articles using this infobox in Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using locally defined parameters with the set that aren't, and you can understand why I say this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* Cleaning up inconsistent use has nothing to do though with using a local version or a Wikidata version, no? And the "cached" version was the version in use all the time since your change to full Wikidata version, until a critic finally removed these dreadful references a few days ago. "Quite a few of the issues you are raising here are caused by those local usage issues." Please indicate which ones. The poor references? The ridiculous areas? The location problems? The coordinates problem? When I test Dolomites by removing the local parameters, exactly the same issues remain. When I do the same with Burgundy wines, it becomes even worse (you get "Inscription (Unknown Session)"). Please don't send me on a wild goose chase with the distinction between local values or not, as it seems to be mostly or totally irrelevant to the issues at hand. Fram (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* "Cleaning up inconsistent use has nothing to do though with using a local version or a Wikidata version, no?" - well, you were the one that raised these issues, so I assumed they were relevant, and pointed out several of the local issues in my replies. I'm going to back away from this for the evening, I hope that when I come back we can have a constructive discussion here. Mike Peel (talk) 21:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
* "pointed out several of the local issues in my replies." No, you claimed that it somehow was caused by using local parameters, while the vast majority of issues I pointed out was not caused by local paramaters at all, and removing the local parameters from e.g. the examples I gave right above doesn't change anything. Your reply was not relevant, it was dodging the issue. I share your hope, but you haven't really started in the right vein. When you come back, please don't focus on the individual examples and how you fixed them, but focus on the underlying issues and the main question, i.e. how using this Wikidata-driven version is better (in general) than using the local version: "better" meaning more stable, less prone to problems, ... Fram (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
* Hi, I changed the picture because it is an article of entire valley but there was a picture of a palace in Kathmandu. Unfortunately I did not realise the caption. I have updated the caption now. Just let me know how can I help you guys in this situation. Thanks-Krish Dulal (talk) 15:59, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
To be more precise, I have given X examples:
* Kathmandu Valley: picture changed on Wikidata causes mismatch here
* Hortobágy National Park: name from Wikidata doesn't allow italics in it, and Wikidata version had other issues solved by adding local values
* Mexico City: issues caused by Wikidata
* Kyoto
* Dolomites: issues caused by Wikidata
* Quito: Wikidata
* Semmering railway: Wikidata
Only in Kathmandu Valley, which was the example given by you at the conversion of this template, were there are also issues caused by local parameters ("citation needed"). So can we now please put the "but it's local parameters that cause this" to rest and focus on the actual issue (not solving some examples), whether this Wikidata-driven template is more stable and less prone to cause errors than the purely local template? Fram (talk) 04:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
* Fram, please listen. There are currently 1,421 uses of this template. The majority of those use Wikidata entirely, and I would appreciate feedback on issues with those. However, there are 505 with local parameters, of which a number are used on entirely the wrong page and need to be moved to the correct page (such as Mexico City), or they need to be turned into child templates and only show a subset of the information (particularly in articles that cover more than just the WHS, or are otherwise more complex topics that the average), and others will have local errors in them (while going through the others I've found incorrect criteria, wrong years, and then there's the bad formatting, unnecessary rows, and other clutter). I've done a lot of the easier ones already, so those remaining are more difficult - and I am still working through those articles to improve them (which includes standardising the info using Wikidata). Unfortunately you are mostly highlighting those here rather than the ones that I've already passed through, which doesn't help - I know they need work, and if you can help with that it would be really useful, and pointing out / fixing issues that I've missed would also be useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
* Some example enwp issues that I would like to see discussion on:
* Is it appropriate to have a WHS infobox at Burgundy wine?
* Bonin Islands has, which is marked as being different from , which is the WHS - is this correct, and does the enwp infobox need to be split?
* What to do with the infobox at Buenos_Aires - is this even a WHS?
* (I'll add some more here as I spot them.) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
* I've spent some time this eve continuing to work through some of the locally-defined infoboxes. Please have a look at my edits and let me know if I got anything wrong. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:00, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
* I'm listening. I don't hear anything though. You haven't replied to any of the fundamental issues, you are still going on about the difference between "with local parameters" and "without local parameters" as if that is the cause of the problems (it isn't, as demonstrated by me and ignored byb you). You are scrambling to correct many examples, while ignoring the reasons for this RfC completely.
* Basically, you are only strenghtening my point, that you have replaced a stable, working, reliable local template with an unstable, harder, unpredictable one only because it is another Wikidata one. Fine, if that's how you want to play it, I'll just create a superior local version and manually move articls to that version. We can then see whether you want to best infobox in the articles, or the Wikidata version no matter what. Fram (talk) 04:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
* Thank you for making my point for me yet again, in your attempt to "improve" one page already corrected by me. I have reverted your edit here as you replaced correct data from the UNESCO with wrong data from Wikidata, even when I had explicitly added that information the day before. Your aim obviously is not "get the correct info" but "get as much of Wikidata as possible". Stop disrupting Wikipedia and start working constructively instead. Fram (talk) 04:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Seeing how this is the way this has to be played apparently, I have now created Template:Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site (which will be improved and expanded upon in the near future), as a better, more stable, fully local alternative for the Wikidata version. No more sudden, unexpected and unwatched influxes of disambiguations, fields with a reference but no value, wmflabs queries as sources, images not matching the caption without anyone making an error (human error can never be excluded, but an infobox shouldn't have wrong information because people did the right thing on another site), and so on and so on. Please, wherever you insert it, make sure that it works correctly before saving, and leave all feedback on the template talk page. All improvements (except getting info from Wikidata, we already have a template for that bad idea) are welcome. Fram (talk) 08:08, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I have now converted 5 articles to the "new" (the improved "old") infobox: two articles which had been discussed here, and the first three I encountered when I did "what links here" from this template. Conclusions, apart from the fact that the new infobox provides some extra fields and the logical things (takes more place in the editing screen, can be corrected directly in the editing screen, removes the Wikidata link and pencil icons in view mode, ...):
* Hortobágy National Park now has the right location instead of the Wikidata one; and the "Includes Hortobágy Great Fishponds" has been removed, as I couldn't find this fact explicitly and prominently in the Unesco site
* Dolomites: no fundamental differences
* Park Güell: now has the correct date of inscription instead of the wrong date from Wikidata
* Acropolis of Athens: no fundamental difference
* Ajanta Caves: better location (more detailed than on Wikidata, and especially avoids the usless repetition of "India, India" Wikidata now produces): takes a more detailed map than the very wide whole of India map the Wikidata map produces
Basically, the new template can do everything the Wikidata one does, and more (so far, the parameters "Area", "Buffer Zone" and "Part of" have been added). It provides direct control of the data the same way all other content of the article is provided, allows layouting, tagging and referencing, ... It won't be perfect yet (created today), but it works both in full and child modus. It avoids most unpleasant surprises (like the issues the current template had) and is fully integrated in the watchlist, recent changes, ... Editors need to do a bit more work than just add the lazy Wikidata link, but as can be seen above, this considerably increases the chance of a better end result (as seen above, where 3 of the 5 templates now are better wrt the same parameters).
Any reason not to use Template:Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site? Fram (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
* Unsurprisingly, I think this is an unnecessary fork and a backward step. Presumably the next version will only use images on Wikipedia (Like Wikidata, Commons content isn't *here*), followed by the coordinates (they go wmflabs). Perhaps the external link to UNESCO also needs to go (it points to content that isn't here).
* However, sarcasm aside, I have a suggestion: let's wait to see how the discussion goes here (if anyone else joins in!) before we make any more changes to WHS infoboxes - both wikidata version and this fork. Is that acceptable? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
* So, no substantial reply, and an inability make the distinction between showing data hosted on another wiki and showing data hosted here with a link to the reliable site this is all based on. The coordinates are also hosted here, the wmflabs is only a tool to visualise them in many ways (just like an ISBN is hosted here, but points to other sites who may have more information on them). If you try sarcasm, stick to examples which have some relation to the issue at hand (like, well, that would only be Commons) and don't overdo it with things that may look superficially the same but in the end only show that yes, we are talking past each other and no, you still don't get some of the actual issues. While I won't go mass-improving the WHS boxes yet, I'll change some more articles to see whether the template truly can handle all issues or needs further improvements (which is likely). If I correct some errors along the way, then that's even better. Fram (talk) 04:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I have now added the new template to Bauhaus to demonstrate the ability to have a map with multiple clickable locations (data is now up-to-date as well). Fram (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
* Comment I reopened the discussion, but here is the original close rationale for posterity:
Primefac (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I still think this needs more discussion, but replying to the proposed steps that were raised here: Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* 1) I'm happy to move the template back to Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata, and I can write a bot that will migrate the articles currently using Wikidata information to that (i.e., all but the ones in Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using locally defined parameters)
* 2) It doesn't make sense to me to have a separate template - we can merge Fram's version into this page after moving the current template to a Wikidata version. There is nothing there that can't be done here (even with the wikidata version).
* 3) I don't see the need for going back through the articles that currently use Wikidata and putting the local version back. If someone wants to do that on a case-by-case basis (particularly if they are working on the content of that article) then they can do. If needed, though, this could be done using a bot (since it's standardised information).
* Mike Peel in regards to I can write a bot that will migrate the articles currently using Wikidata information, are you proposing a bot which can go into the article history and restore information that was deleted when migrating to a wikidata template? Or you proposing a bot to just overwrite wikipedia with a copy of wikidata ? Alsee (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* In theory either is possible. Just reverting my edits would not be good, though, as I've done quite a bit of cleanup work at the same time (as mentioned above), so I definitely wouldn't want to do that. Copying the info from Wikidata to here was what I was meaning, although again I don't want to do that. My strong preference is to split this into a Wikidata template and a non-Wikidata one, for which I now have the code written to do so - if people here then want to work on the articles in question, then they're welcome to do so. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
* Mike Peel, on one hand I am very skeptical that "overwrite wikipedia with wikidata" is the desired answer, on the other hand I know you have done beneficial improvement/cleanup along with the conversions. Having a bot try to dig through the article history is messy in itself, but a bot can't tell whether it would be overwriting an improvement. I fear that this needs a human to manually handle each page. That would mean digging through the article history to recover the deleted local information, scanning for discrepancies between the local version and wikidata, trying to figure out the reason for each discrepancy, and trying to figure out the proper resolution for that discrepancy. That's painstaking work, especially the arbitrary level of research needed to understand and resolve each discrepancy. This is why I reacted so strongly about pages continuing to be converted. I would be willing to volunteer to do that work for some pages, but my superficial check seems to suggest this is approaching a thousand pages?! I'm really hoping you can tell me that I botched my quick-check on task size. Alsee (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
* Well, that's basically what I've already done - the discrepancies between the old version on enwp and the new version on wikidata will be the cleanup work I did, and from my perspective the values on Wikidata will be the correct ones. So if someone else wants to repeat that ... OK, but I don't think it'll be a useful way to spend time. It would be better to double-check the Wikidata versions and fix those if needed, rather than going back to a worse data set. Or even better: continue looking through the remaining ~500 or so to sort those out, as there are definitely a lot of incorrect things there (with a much higher ratio that the ones I've already checked through!) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:05, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
* On the numbers, there are currently 1409 transclusions and 487 with local parameters, so 922 entirely from Wikidata (plus others that will have mostly Wikidata values with a few local parameters). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:09, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
* "from my perspective the values on Wikidata will be the correct ones." You really haven't learned anything from this RfC yet, have you? "if someone else wants to repeat that ... OK, but I don't think it'll be a useful way to spend time." Half the articles I converted back to a local template have errors in the infobox corrected. Relying on Wikidata is not the way to go here. "continue looking through the remaining ~500 or so to sort those out, as there are definitely a lot of incorrect things there (with a much higher ratio that the ones I've already checked through!)" Highly doubtful, this. They probably also contain errors, but a migh higher rate than 50%? Never mind things like this, where you converted an existing template to the full Wikidata one, never realising that the article subject is not a WHS at all! Yes, the error was there before your change, but yor checks (or Wikidata) can't be trusted either.
* Earlier you discussed merging the new template with this one, which is of course fine, as it was the intention from the start. "There is nothing there that can't be done here (even with the wikidata version)." With local parameters, you mean? Well, yes, but then you aren't really using the Wikidata version but a hybrid of course. That something my version does with local parameters can theoretically (not at the moment though) be done in the Wikidata version with local parameters seems rather obvious. Anyway, if this is merged, I'll go through the articles and move them all back to the local version, leaving the Wikidata version as an unused, deletable template in the end. Any help with this is of course welcome. Fram (talk) 06:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Well done for catching an error that was introduced back in 2011. Clearly, we can't trust locally defined values either. It looks like this is another case where the infobox was used in a wider topic, analogous to the city cases. Your 50% number is nonsense. But I'm glad to know that you're willing to fix it all - good luck with that. Please make sure you do so on the other language Wikipedias while you're at it. Mike Peel (talk) 11:09, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* "Please make sure you do so on the other language Wikipedias while you're at it." Is this your idea of a constructive discussion? You can't often even get it right here when you "improve" the infoboxes. You are free to copy my improvements to whatever other language you care, either directly or through Wikidata for those languags stupid enough to trust it, but don't include ridiculous requirements in a discussion of what we want to do here. Oh, and for your info, I have just corrected an article where the image in the WHS infobox, provided by Wikidata, was of a church not included in the WHS listing. Yes, this one was included locally first as well, but when someone "improved" this here (and at all other language versions of course), this was not corrected. Your claims that wwe can't go back to the older version of the articles because your many improvements would get lost is not really impressive. Fram (talk) 11:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Reverting improvements is vandalism.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Wow, I bow to your impressive wisdom. Have you actually read the discusson or do you just knee-jerk react to the final sentence? I dispute, with enough examples, that the "improvements" by Mike Peel are actually improving articles in most cases, and this is your reply? Who do you consider the vandal here, Mike Peel or Fralambert? Adding false, unsourced information which may affect 200 wikilanguages at once (because that is the huge benefit of Wikidata) seems to me more serious than reverting his "improvements" here, no? Fram (talk) 11:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Hold on a sec, I thought you found that issue here, are you saying that this mistake was actually caught on Wikidata first? Mike Peel (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* People may independently find the same error. I have now seen that someone had found your error on Wikidata a few hours before I found it here (note that correcting your errors on Wikidata doesn't make your Wikidata infobox miraculously disappear here). Fram (talk) 11:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* That's great - Wikidata working as it should, then. The infobox changed to show 'unknown session', which we could catch and use to put the article into a category to be checked. We could also have it change to hide the UNESCO section. Both things are straightforward to do, although I'm not sure it makes sense to do them now with this debate going on. Mike Peel (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* "Wikidata working as it should"? Well, at least one editor seems to realise that your edits need careful checking, so that's good. Fram (talk) 12:31, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* In that case, you appear to have caught a mistake in the article that was introduced in 2007. Again, not Wikidata-specific, count it as another example of why you can't trust local data if you'd like. Why are you catching this error now, and not sometime over the last decade? Mike Peel (talk) 11:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* "Why are you catching this error now, and not sometime over the last decade?" Are you for real? Fram (talk) 11:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Well, you clearly care a lot about this infobox, so I assume you've been working on its uses for quite some time now? Unless you just came along here to be anti-Wikidata. Mike Peel (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* I came along here to be pro-enwiki. Protecting enwiki from some of the Wikidata-fanatics is one way to do this. I am anti-wikidata when that means opposing a stable, functioning infobox being replaced with a buggy, unstable Wikidata-populated one. Let's see, we have one editor replacing erors from here with the same error from Wikidata (the image which wssn't from a WHS site), and worse inserting errors from here not already present in Wikidata, into Wikidata; and we have an editor correcting errors and adding new functionality at the same time. If your last remaining defense is "but I have been working on these articles longer than you have", then you should reread WP:OWN. Fram (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Arbitrary break 1
Quedlinburg, location generated from Wikidata: "Harz, Quedlinburg, Kreis Quedlinburg, Quedlinburg, Germany". Before this template was converted, the article didn't show a location in the WHS template because it already had a location in the general template. At the conversion, this was automatically added (though not wanted), and filled rather dreadfully. Another clear example of where changing this template to the Wikidata template made the article worse (see also the incorrect area, and fields which aren't wrong but unnecessary like the website, already listed previously in another infobox). Fram (talk) 13:30, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* This is one of the cases I've been talking about above, where the infobox should be used in child mode and the location not displayed, rather than having two infoboxes on one page. Apparently your new template has problems with being used in child mode, sufficient that you reverted my edit there. Mike Peel (talk) 13:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Whether it should be in child mode or not is an editorial decision. I think it is better to have an infobox for the full city, and another one for the specific buildings which are WHS sites. You are the one claiming "Use as child template. Not sure why this doesn't hide the extra picture." when in your edit you let the "image" parameter remain in the child website. Surprising, no, that a parameter you explicitly include, actually works? No idea why you add "and the location not displayed", as the location isn't displayed when you use my version in child mode. What doesn't (yet) work is getting the official name (the WHS parameter) to show up in child mode, as I haven't decided yet what the best way to show this in child mode is, if ever. If the WHS title and the general infobox are the same, then using child modus works just fine. if they are different, then not using a child template but a separate one is IMO better. Fram (talk) 13:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* Test to show that on that article, child mode with the new template works just fine. Anyway, if you believed that "Apparently your new template has problems with being used in child mode, sufficient that you reverted my edit there", then why did you save your edit anyway? After all, deliberately making articles worse is vandalism, no? Fram (talk) 14:00, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
* And I have now changed the template to include this as well. So if you have a different name for the WHS site than for the general infobox, and you want to include the template as a child template anyway, you can now include the official name in the child template as well. Which doesn't mean that the template has to be used as "child" template of course, it may be better to have it separately anyway. Anything else? Fram (talk) 14:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia talk:Wikidata/2017 RfC draft: thanks to the use of Wikidata in infoboxes and the display of the changes in watchlists and recent changes, according to a WMF database administrator, "we are close of running out of space on several main database servers, breaking all of Wikipedia". Wikidata in infoboxes has already had serious performance implications in Commons, rowiki, itwiki, and dawiki, where such uses are more common. While this single infobox specifically won't make a huge difference, it is good to remember that these things come at a cost which is sometimes surprisingly high and impacts many editors. Fram (talk) 07:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Note that I've submitted a preparatory Bots/Requests for approval/Pi bot 2 (with functional code) to split this template into separate 'wikidata' and 'non-wikidata' versions. Running this code is subject to the outcome of this RfC. Mike Peel (talk) 23:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Yesterday, the Wikidata item for the country Romania (not really an obscure topic I would think, one that is used in thousands of other Wikidata items) was moved (english label changed) to Moldavia, with vandalism to the description and alias as well. This was only reverted nearly three hours later. This is pretty quick by Wikidata standards, e.g. yesterday as well Fernando Alonso (another high profile article) was vandal-moved in English, Spanish and Catalan for more than two hours, while more obscure articles take about 8 hours to be reverted (labeling a living person a "fascist" seems like a quite obvious case of vandalism), if they get spotted at all.
Anyway, back to the issue at hand: the Romania vandalism was reflected in quite a few enwiki articles, including the UNESCO world heritage sites but basically every infobox that fetches information from Wikidata and includes the field "Romania" (biographies, location of artworks, observatories, ...). The end result was similar to what you can see in the images; in these cases, the country name was changed, but also the wrong map was shown, and the red dot location indicator was somewhere in the middle of the page instead of in the infobox. Basically, using Wikidata makes vandalism on many articles much easier, and is almost guaranteed to remain in the articles for a lot longer as well. Coupled with the recent changes delay (so even if you have Wikidata in recent changes enabled, chances are you wouldn't see this happening) and the problem that these don't appear in the page history, and you end up with a situation which is beneficial to vandals and negative for recent changes patrollers. Fram (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Twenty-five examples of vandalism directly on English Wikipedia
* Yer, and the vandalism on Wikipedia at John Seigenthaler lasted four months. I'm surprised you don't blame Wikidata for that as well. The plural of anecdote is not data and I can recount ten incidents of vandalism directly on Wikipedia for every one you can find from Wikidata. Your assertion that "Wikidata makes vandalism on many articles much easier" is the usual groundless scare-mongering we've come to expect. Vandalism of any template affects multiple articles and there's nothing extraordinary about templates that collect some of their data from Wikidata. The same also applies to vandalism of images or other media on Commons. There is absolutely no evidence for your claim that "is almost guaranteed to remain in the articles for a lot longer". Vandalism at Wikidata will come to the attentions of experienced editors not only on English Wikipedia, but on all the other language Wikipedia as well, If anything, that should ensure that the vandalism is removed sooner because multiple time-zones are alerted. --RexxS (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
* So, your "refutation" is an example of many years ago whih actually lead to massive changes in policy here (you know, things like a BLP policy?), a mixup between a template and the actual data in the template (templates can and have been vandalised, and that's why many are protected on enwiki; protection of even the most visible properties doesn't seem to happen on Wikidata though?). Very few infobox templates in Wikipedia contain any actual data though, so vandalizing infobox data in many articles at once is harder with enwiki templates than with wikidata-populated ones.
* When you already have one or two ways vandal can affect articles, what's the point of providing them with a third, even easier and on average longer-lasting one? One where they can edit through enwiki protection as well? Yes, commons does the same, that song is getting old rather fast; Commons gets patrolled rather swiftly though. "Vandalism at Wikidata will come to the attentions of experienced editors not only on English Wikipedia, but on all the other language Wikipedia as well, If anything, that should ensure that the vandalism is removed sooner because multiple time-zones are alerted." is absolute bollocks; not only does it not come to the attention of experienced editors here (due to a variety of reasons, including the hideous lag between a change on Wikidata and its appearance in recent changes and watchlists, nd the rather terrible display of such edits making them all but incomprehensible in many cases), it apparently doesn't come to the attention of experienced editors anywhere, as such swift vandal reverts on even the most blatant examples often don't happen. The multiple time-zones argument is a non-starter, enwiki is the one Wikipedia version with plenty of editors during all time zones of course. Fram (talk) 08:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
* But thank you for providing a laugh with your extremely massive image though, showing how efficient Cluebot is. I don't think I have ever claimed that Wikidata (or enwiki or whatever) must be vandalfree (although it could be improved with things like pending changes, protection, ...). The problem is the impact some vandalism has (the immediate impact Wikidata changes can have on many pages and languages, which is pushed as a strength of Wikidata, is therefor also a weakness in cases of vandalism), and the fact that vandalism on Wikidata on average remains much, much longer than on enwiki. Plus that edits can be made through our article protection, and by editors blocked or banned at enwiki. Fram (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
I have posted a request at Administrators'_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure to ask that someone neutral have a look at this and potentially close it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Template code
* Disable possibility to import unqualified Q numbers, mentioned above in and . --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* There seems to be an issue with the "|fetchwikidata=none" parameter switch, see above – can someone attend to this? --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* Sure, this functionality can be improved. Can I do so at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata please? Mike Peel (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata/sandbox? We can decide what to do with the code once its been tested. Anyway, no WP:walled garden please.
* Could you have all pages using a WHS infobox with a fully operational & correctly implemented "|fetchwikidata=none" instruction sort in a category different from Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using locally defined parameters and Category:Articles with WHS infoboxes completely from Wikidata, e.g. Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site with exclusively local data or Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using local data exclusively?
* Another improvement to the template code could be to avoid ha (hectares) to convert to square feet: it looks perfectly silly, e.g. here and here: conversion to square miles or to acres would work much better imho.
* Don't forget to update the template documentation, please. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:10, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Documentation
* Update parameter documentation at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc: this was recently done for the "includes" parameter (see above ), but others are reported as still undocumented at (don't know which ones would be most urgent to get documented: feel free to specify). --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Conversion issues
List separate issues in separate subsections:
Archivo General de Simancas
Couldn't convert the infobox in Archivo General de Simancas to Wikidata-free while not part of UNESCO's World Heritage Site program: some documents kept in the Archivo General de Simancas are protected through UNESCO's Memory of the World program, but that doesn't make this archive a "Site" in WHS sense: using (any) WHS type infobox leads to multiple discrepancies.
Any suggestion for a more appropriate infobox, or another way to address this? --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
* No immediate idea for another infobox, but this is not a WHS so it's logical that the WHS infoboxes don't work. Fram (talk) 13:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
* Unless I'm missing something, this one never used Wikidata in the first place. I've switched it to using Infobox museum (not using the wikidata version of that to avoid the flak). I think I mentioned somewhere above about the issues of this template being used in non-WHS entries? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* It used Wikidata (e.g. the Spanish external link in the WHS infobox implementation); Also, if it didn't use Wikidata, the "[edit on Wikidata]" external link should have been deactivated in the template: there's no use in showing that link if you can't go there to edit the values that will be shown in the template.
* Regarding the current template: "museum" seems a bit OR-ish to me: nor the body of the article, nor its references say the archive is a museum. Maybe the Castle of Simancas, where the archive is housed, is (in part) a museum (?), but that is not the same as saying that the archive itself is a museum ("archive" usually refers to a collection of documents, not a building). If "castle" and "archive" are the same (which I doubt), both should be merged into one article. I'll remove the current infobox until someone can find a reference that says that the archive of Simancas is a museum. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* We don't have Infobox archive, and Infobox museum is the closest we have. The template doesn't display anything that says this is a museum, so I don't see the OR issue - but it is a case of trying to hammer a screw into place. But as you want. Mike Peel (talk) 14:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* It took me less than 2 seconds to create Infobox archive as a redirect to Infobox museum; I used the redirect name when reverting ; Hope someone takes the time someday to develop Infobox archive into an infobox in its own right. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
"includes" parameter
The infobox at Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd uses a "includes = ..." parameter: --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:48, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
* The parameter is undocumented at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc, at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc (though it automatically draws in Wikidata claims), and at Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc: could someone address that situation? (it's not because Wikidata is on its way out for this template that its documentation should be incomplete: trying to do conversions to a Wikidata-free implementation of the template is of course more difficult when the documentation does not adequately cover the code of the template) --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:48, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
* ✅ Mike Peel (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Couldn't convert the template to the "...UNESCO..." variant, because that variant doesn't recognise this parameter:, is it possible to add this parameter to the "...UNESCO..." variant, or do you have another suggestion?
* Converted to the UNESCO variant. The UNESCO template uses mainly parameters which start with uppercase, so "Includes" instead of "includes". The parameter was already present. Any help in making the template accept both uppercase and lowercase is welcome, it isn't my first priority now though. Fram (talk) 13:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
* Supporting both upper case and lower case parameter names was something that I was working on in this template. It's rare to use upper case parameter names here, so it's better to make sure that the lower case version are supported at least. Of course, this is completely irrelevant for the Wikidata version. And, of course, the new template is always going to be completely problem-free. Mike Peel (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* If all you can do is moan about your beloved template, perhaps it's time to simply move on? You still don't seem to understand that converting a template that is used on more than 1,000 pages, and then over the next months slowly going through them all to remove (some of) the problems you caused by the conversion in the first place, is not progress or an example we should follow? You always pretend here that the version with local parameters caused problems, and you were the great saviour fixing them all laboriously. In reality, the version with local parameters caused no problems (it may have had wrong values inserted in an article, but that's not caused by the template of course), until you converted it, and then had these problems for months and months (and many still do). In all this discussion, you fail to take any responsability for this, instead still pretending that causing so many problems is somehow progress which we reactionaries just can't accept or understand, and that the Wikidata version must be kept for the greater good of enwiki and mankind in general, and the UNESCO version deleted because ... well, because it isn't the Wikidata version, of course. I think we can handle this without you from now on, just userfy your precious Wikidata version and leave please. Fram (talk) 05:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
The UNESCO version now accepts initial uppercase and lowercase for all common parameters. If there are still issues with this, please let me know (or improve it of course, all help is welcome!). Fram (talk) 08:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Q numbers
Other issue involving the "includes" parameter: this Wikidata-only implementation of the template was apparently successful in calling unexplained an unlinked Q numbers for the "includes" parameter. Does that make any sense? I changed that to ill implementations linking to Spanish Wikipedia, but even there I'm not too sure whether it is meaningful to mention these sub-parts of the monument which don't exist as separate pages at en.Wikipedia. What do others think? Maybe just leave unmentioned next time? --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
* They are not listed as "included" at the WHS site, so should not be listed as "included" here (in fact, the Aljaferia remains are only one of ten sites forming this WHS site in the first place, which you rightly indivated by changing "official name" to "part of". In any case, if there are cases where you do want to include such a thing, either do it as a simple redlink or as an interwiki like you did, but never as a meaningless Qnumber please. Fram (talk) 14:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
* Maybe it needs to be made clearer that these are "parts of the site described here" rather than "parts of the UNESCO site"... Mike Peel (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* Both should be possible imho:
* at (e.g.) Castles and Town Walls of King Edward in Gwynedd, Mudéjar Architecture of Aragon and Belfries of Belgium and France the sites mentioned as "includes" are separately defined and numbered by UNESCO
* at (e.g.) Ancient City of Aleppo and Ciudad Colonial (Santo Domingo) the "includes" lists some important buildings in the inscribed zone, without these buildings being numbered separately by UNESCO
* --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:54, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* No, things not listed specifically by the UNESCO should not be included as "includes" in the template, so the "includes" from Aleppo should be removed. Every building or complex within the boundaries is included unless the UNESCO only specifies certain buildings specifically. Singling out a few for unspecified reasons gives a wrong impression, as if these are specifically designated by UNESCO. Fram (talk) 08:33, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* There's no doubt that UNESCO describes the Catedral de Santa María de la Encarnación as included in WHS No. 526, Colonial City of Santo Domingo (click the reference and see for yourself), etc. – so, if Wikipedia has separate articles of such buildings mentioned as included in the World Heritage Site I don't see why we shouldn't list them as "includes", with a link to the article, in the infobox. Which ones (if any) should be listed as "includes" in the infobox and/or elsewhere in the article can be sorted out at the article's talk page if there are approaches that need to be reconciled, but doesn't seem anything that needs to be decided at the template level. At the template level I don't think intuitive and correct uses should be pre-emptively excluded. I'd avoid massive lists of includes that are still incomplete (e.g. ), but that's as far as I would go regarding the "includes" parameter recommendations in the template documentation. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* No, there is a difference between the UNESCO giving sub-numbers to specific buildings which together form the WHS, or the UNESCO naming buildings as contributing factors to the general WHS site. Belfries of Belgium and France includes 56 locations; you can check this on every WHS site by opening the tab "maps": if that starts with "multiple locations", you will get a list of the included locations (buildings, towns, ...). These are the ones we should include in the "includes" parameter. It makes no sense to list all buildings in the historic centre of some WHS site in our infobox. Luther Memorials in Eisleben and Wittenberg is a good example of where we could have the "includes" parameter, with 6 locations. I haven't always followed this rule strictly: Piazza dei Miracoli doesn't have included locations at the UNESCO page, but it specifically lists four and only four buildings as "a group of monuments known the world over. These four masterpieces of medieval architecture", so in this case it seemed warranted to list the same four buildings, as no other buildings contribute to the WHS listing.
* Basically: follow the WHS when it has a "map" with multiple locations, or when it makes it clear that the listing is for a limited, specific list of buildings or places: otherwise (usually when a whole town centre is a WHS location) don't use the parameter. Fram (talk) 10:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* No, sort it out at the article talk page if there's discussion about which values to include in a parameter set of a WHS infobox implementation on the page. Note that some of the "maps" pages of the UNESCO website are incomplete (e.g. "maps" page of No. 1442 – I had to go through a bunch of official documents each with hundreds of pages, before I could find the correct site number of Bingling Temple, i.e. 1442-027) --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* Of course in case of dispute things should be sorted out at the article talk page. That doesn't mean that some general guidance can't be given. In the Silk Road example, the "maps" page is indeed deficient, but the gneral description at the top has "The thirty-three components included in the routes network include capital cities and palace complexes of various empires and Khan kingdoms, trading settlements, Buddhist cave temples, ancient paths, posthouses, passes, beacon towers, sections of The Great Wall, fortifications, tombs and religious buildings." so we have a clear, limited list of components (which is in this case way too hard to find directly); 33 components is too many to list in the infobox though, and should simply be in the article instead. Not everything has to be in the infobox. Fram (talk) 11:07, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
* I made that:""
* Improve that summary if you think it can be made better, or take it up on the article talk page if it would become a matter of contention.
* Anyhow, no need to be too prescriptive in this matter. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Spurious links to DAB pages
In Ming Tombs, this template is generating spurious links to two DAB pages. They are not linked in the article, but show up in "What links here" and User:DPL bot reports them as errors. The bot has no easy way of finding out how bad links are being generated, it just knows that they exist. (E.g., I see quite a few bad links which are generated by templates such as jct, stn, infobox river, sortname, and others. The fixes are in general different for each template.) The DAB pages in question are Changling and Tailing. Is there any way to fix this?
(Template:Infobox journal creates similar-looking spurious links, but it has an infobox parameter which can be used to disable the #ifexist test which creates them.) Narky Blert (talk) 17:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
* m:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Miscellaneous/Stop ifexist checks from appearing in Special:WhatLinksHere - but it didn't get enough support there to get it fixed. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
* Narky Blert, they were wikidata-infoxbox issues. I converted to a non-wikidata infobox and it's all fixed. It had also auto-generated (and was showing in the infobox) a third, bogus, link to Yong Ling. Alsee (talk) 07:18, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
* Thanks! It was very much the sort of problem I prefer to leave to someone who knows what they're doing. I think there was a fourth spurious link, also not linked in the article; I suspected that a fix would solve the two lesser issues which I didn't mention. Narky Blert (talk) 12:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
* It is also sometimes possible, though overly complicated, to fix the bad parameter on Wikidata. If the problem is that there is a missing article on English Wikipedia that exists on other language Wikipedia's, make a stub and add that to whatever Wikidata Q# is used for that sense. bd2412 T 13:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
image_map parameters
I suggest adding the parameters: <pre style="overflow:auto;"> Using a location map on sites that are extremely large, such as Phoenix Islands Protected Area makes little sense, and using the image parameter for maps makes it so other images can't be used in the infobox. SpanishSnake (talk) 16:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
* image_map =
* map_alt =
* map_caption =
Implementation of RfC
Any ideas on how to proceed with the implementation of the RfC result? I mean, several options on how to proceed after the closure of the RfC were proposed in its discussion area: I propose to work towards a consensus ASAP on which one to pick (or ASAP propose another one which may find consensus). --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Bots/Requests for approval/Pi bot 2
(After edit conflict) OK, so we now have a result from the RfC, so now we need to implement it. My suggestion is as follows: I am happy to continue maintaining a separate Wikidata version of this template if desired, but otherwise I'll walk away from working on this template after the implementation of this is complete. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 11:00, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* I have written code and put together a bot request to separate out the uses that are currently entirely using Wikidata to Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata - unless there are any objections I will copy the current version of the template to that page and then run the bot. We can then manually check for cases that are only using a few local parameters and move them over as well.
* We can then merge Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site into this template, and entries with locally defined values can then use that. Or it can remain as a separate template, but that doesn't make sense to me.
* That is, at least, a preliminary solution. It's up to others about whether that's then the status quo or whether the Wikidata info is then locally copied. I can put together some code that will substitute the Wikidata information here if desired. But you all need to figure out what you want to do here/how you want to do it.
* Queries
* I think you should first revert all instances where you removed the local parameters back to the old situation. This will help in reverting to the old version (whether the actual old version or the new version I created is a separate issue). Cases like this or this. Fram (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
* Added a ping to : seems a pertinent question – can you commit to (help) recover en.Wikipedia mainspace deletions of local parameters for this template? --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* I have described what I am willing to do above. I see no point in simply reverting the changes I made before, as that will re-introduce a lot of bad data that I've already cleaned up - and the RfC above does not require this as opposed to the solutions I've mentioned above. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* The RfC requires a revert to the previous version. What you propose is the opposite, you want to simply rename the template to /Wikidata and be done with it (oh, you also suggest that others can copy the Wikidata data locally, as if the Wikidata data is infallible. You seem to haven't grasped what this RfC was about). I guess simply moving all instances to the UNESCO version of the template manually will be the best solution then? Fram (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* You might want to read what I said again, and try to take it in this time. There was nothing above about not having a separate Wikidata version. I was suggesting we move things over to there *for now* so this version of the template can be changed to a non-Wikidata one, and then the current cases can be migrated back by whoever wants to do so (I suggested one way, you're welcome to suggest others). Again, *I checked through the Wikidata info for the ones I migrated*, and what is on Wikidata for those is at least as good as what was here before, at least for the core parameters (WHS ID, criteria, years), so I see no benefit to undoing those. We can remove things like area if you'd like, which weren't included in the template before anyway. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* "There was nothing above about not having a separate Wikidata version." apart from "as things currently stand, the Wikidata-based template is not suitable for use in en.wiki" you mean? You checked through the Wikidata info when you migrated them, and you didn't notice any of the problems that caused the RfC and its end results, or you didn't think them important? I think we can handle this without more help from you. Fram (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* A few additional considerations:
* There is no deadline, meaning: it is better to do this conscientiously than in a rush. No time-table has been set on when to re-introduce the local-parameters-only code into this template yet. Doesn't mean we have to be lethargic, or that we couldn't set ourselves some goals on when the operation should be complete, but rather aim at good work than overhasty bot operations and the like.
* For clarity, I don't think a two-template or three-template solution to cover all World Heritage Sites would be agreeable to the editing community in the long run: co-existing templates for actually the same infobox can only be temporary/intermediate solutions, as aids to get things sorted into a more permanent solution, and the direction of that permanent solution (no Wikidata) has been decided by the RfC.
* Re. "... otherwise I'll walk away from working on this template <i.e., unless the Wikidata implementation gets precedence>" (emphasis added, and last part paraphrased from "after the implementation of this is complete"): I'd like to extend that, for example in view of what an arbitrator posted yesterday at WP:ARBREQ: "I think the policy is clear that we run our own project at enWP just as much as they do atWikidata" – I don't say that all conscientious reverts-with-appropriate-updates should be up to one person, but if the person responsible for over 900 deletes of local parameter sets does not help in repairing the damage they are responsible for, and which makes the implementation of the clear RfC outcome a very tangled issue, then I suggest it would be better that this editor would walk away from all templates that call Wikidata claims. Your allegiance should be to en.WP in the first place when editing here: creating a mess affecting hundreds of pages, and then walk away for being only interested in Wikidata seems out of the remit of this talk page discussion. So, I'd suggest a change of heart here, otherwise it seems only logical to add the editor as an involved party to WP:ARBREQ, and let arbitrators decide.
* Pinging . --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:35, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* Please do not try to put words into my mouth. I think you understood my meaning, but just in case: my walking away is *after* the implementation of this RfC is complete (albeit with a new proviso that this discussion should remain civil and, as much as possible, logical). I do not agree that there is damage to be repaired, or that I have created a mess; it is a disagreement about the approach to take here. As for the concept of having allegiance to a project, that's just plain weird - I'm here to help improve the Wikimedia projects/free knowledge, not to swear loyalty. Mike Peel (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* OK, let's ask this simple question again: can you commit to (help) recover en.Wikipedia mainspace deletions of local parameters for this template? --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* The simple answer is 'yes'. For the more complex answer, see the last two sentences of my third bullet point... Mike Peel (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* Tx, and my apologies for apparently having completely misread the more complex answer, it was not my intention to upset anyone. I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on the direction of approach proposed below in . --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* seems this isn't over yet, see . Sorry, Mike, I do what is easiest to recover the static data, even if these static data are then wrapped in a different template and/or some other cleanup is happening at the same time. I didn't see much collaboration to undo your own deletions of these static data, so you're hardly in a place to comment on those who do, per the RfC outcome, imho. In the example you cite, you deleted "Historic Town of Zabid", and I recovered that by using the undo function, because, in that case, that was the easiest way to proceed. I'm sorry if that ruffles your feathers, but these operations to recover the data which should never have been deleted (by you, that is) are complex enough as it is not to add another layer of complexity because you don't like to see reverts popping up. You have been asked to do these reverts yourself, but you didn't: so don't now criticise other who do – it is only applying the outcome of the RfC. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:37, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
* I nominated Infobox_World_Heritage_Site/Wikidata for deletion. Consensus was to convert this infobox back to non-wikidata. Not "keep & rename". Alsee (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* Did anyone actually *read* what I wrote at the start of this? Given that a lot of the concerns raised are with the infoboxes that I hadn't gotten around to converting to Wikidata, I thought splitting this for now into a non-Wikidata version (at the current location) and a non-Wikidata version (at /wikidata) would help resolve that issue immediately, while we discuss the rest. But by all means, let's have three separate discussions talking about how to file the template code... Mike Peel (talk) 20:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* There are currently 1368 transclusions of Infobox World Heritage Site :
* 470 of these use locally defined parameters (Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using locally defined parameters)
* 439 use no local parameters (Category:Articles with WHS infoboxes completely from Wikidata)
* leaves 459 using (I suppose) a mixture of one or more local parameters and one or more Wikidata parameters --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* I think these are the uses of the infobox as a child template while fetching the rest of the values from Wikidata. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Afaik #2 and #3 are the problematic ones (I don't understand "Given that a lot of the concerns raised are with the infoboxes that I hadn't gotten around to converting to Wikidata..." – I don't see any concerns raised around the infoboxes that were not converted to Wikidata, which would be, as far as I understand, #1 in the list above) --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* I might be missing something, but I thought this was where most of the concerns were - particularly inappropriate areas being dislayed. #2 and #3 were the ones I went through and cleaned up, and most of the errors are probably in #1. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "I have written code and put together a bot request to separate out the uses that are currently entirely using Wikidata to Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata" – I don't understand why that would be a good idea? Can't even grasp *why* you proposed it. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* Staying with "most of the errors are probably in #1", I though this would be the first set of examples that you'd want to remove the Wikidata values from, and by moving the rest off to another page meant that we can change the template here to a non-Wikidata version. Again, these are the ones I hadn't looked at yet, so are probably where most errors are. It also means that we then have a defined set of articles that are using the Wikidata version (through whatlinkshere). Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "unless there are any objections I will copy the current version of the template to [the Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata] page" – OK, you have now secured a copy of the code, however, as it serves no apparent purpose on en.Wikipedia, I suppose that page can be userfied now. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* If need be, it could be userfied. However, I don't think that would be the best thing to do, see . Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "... and then run [Pi bot 2]" – Still don't see why that would be good idea. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* See above. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "We can then merge Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site into this template, and entries with locally defined values can then use that" – Why would one do that *before* providing parameter values that correspond with that version of template code? --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* Surely Fram's version of the template is perfect, and will immediately fix all of the issues here, so why wouldn't we want to merge it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Peel (talk • contribs)
* Re. "Or [Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site] can remain as a separate template" – wouldn't agree with the editing community in the long run, see #2 of my 09:35, 3 November 2017 post above. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "but [Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site remaining as a separate template] doesn't make sense to me" – it makes sense as an intermediate step until issues are settled, not as a permanent solution: see again #2 of my 09:35, 3 November 2017 post above. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* As I said, it doesn't make sense to me to have two versions of the non-Wikidata version. Better to merge now, and then Fram can have the fun of tackling the remainder of case #1 uses of this infobox (and the heckling that goes with the process of fixing the issues with them). Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "[recreating Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata, then running Pi bot 2, then merging Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site to Infobox World Heritage Site] is, at least, a preliminary solution" – we can agree it is not a permanent solution, but afaics neither is it a temporary situation that would be part of a solution, temporary or otherwise. So why go through these (afaics) unnecessary steps to come to a situation that neither in the short run, nor in the long run would be anything near a part of a solution? --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* In case my above explanation wasn't sufficient, let me try it from a different approach. There are two situations here - there are the infoboxes that have locally-defined parameters (possibly with a few parameters from Wikidata), and there are infoboxes that are entirely from Wikidata. Those are currently mixed together. I'm proposing a way that we can split these two cases so that one set entirely uses local parameters (this template) and the other entirely uses Wikidata values (the subtemplate). Those can then be handled separately - e.g. the former still need to be checked through manually, but the latter can be substituted automatically if that would be useful. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "It's up to others about whether that's then the status quo or whether the Wikidata info is then locally copied." – I don't understand: why would that be something you'd not be involved in? --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* Because my contributions and viewpoints here are clearly unwelcome. I still think that Wikidata is the way to go here, but others still think that the 20th century is the way to go. I'm still willing to help here, but if others want to maintain this template only using local parameters then they also need to take on the responsibility of maintaning it in the future. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "I can put together some code that will substitute the Wikidata information here if desired" – finally we understand one another (I think?): that's why I started below. I still don't see why any of the preliminary afaics unnecessary steps would be needed to create an intermediary situation that is neither satisfactory in the short run nor in the long run, but this last proposal makes sense to me, so please, I left some questions for you in the section below, would you *please* care to respond there? For me it's OK if you want to make a distinction between the ~470 boxes of case #1, the ~439 boxes of case #2 and the remaining ~459 boxes of case #3 in your replies, but I'd like a check whether I understood this part of your proposal correctly. But as said, I think it is best to make this the next step for a solution, rather than the last step after some intermediate steps I don't see to be very meaningful as an implementation (temporary or otherwise) of the RfC outcome. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* I'm still thinking through this option, and I'll respond below when I can. Mike Peel (talk) 23:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "But you all need to figure out what you want to do here/how you want to do it." – "...you all..." includes yourself, I hope. You want to recreate Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata, then run Pi bot 2, and then merge Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site to Infobox World Heritage Site as first steps: either make clear why these would be meaningful first steps, rather than "...put together some code that will substitute the Wikidata information here..." as first step? I propose to skip the intermediate steps and move to the "...substitute..." step, elaborated in the proposal below, ASAP. --Francis Schonken (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
* please see WP:TPO, "Generally, you should not break up another editor's text by interleaving your own replies to individual points; this confuses who said what and obscures the original editor's intent." You even forgot to sign one of your replies, so creating wrong impressions (kind of putting words in my mouth). --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Sorry, there were so many points here I couldn't think of a better way of posting the replies. Thanks for catching the one that I forgot to sign; I wasn't intending to make it look like you had posted that line. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re, I guess that's OK temporarily providing you have no objections to it being restored once the code here is not the same as at /wikidata. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "providing you " – please don't put words in my mouth. There's no consensus currently about what will happen with Infobox World Heritage Site/Wikidata once all implementations of WHS infoboxes will have been converted to local data: putting words in my mouth (see above for what I effectively said) is an unpromising approach for finding such consensus. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
* That was a request, not an attempt to put words into your mouth. As the answer is 'no', I'll restore it, per the TfD non-consensus for what to do with it right now. Mike Peel (talk) 11:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re "request" combined with "providing you " – please make up your mind: a request combined with one-sided conditions is not a request. As long as Wikidata code is in Infobox World Heritage Site there shouldn't be a separate template with Wikidata code for exactly the same purposes: that has nothing to do with TfD (wasn't even negotiated during the TfD) but is plain common sense. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Discussion (Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Pi bot 2)
* I suppose Bots/Requests for approval/Pi bot 2 would need a consensus *before* running it – what do others think? --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Usage of /Wikidata variant
Opening section per User talk:Nihlus --Francis Schonken (talk) 14:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Copyright issue?
please could you look at the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Wikidata/2017 State of affairs, especially what I added to that discussion here – there may be a copyright problem with transferring short descriptions (such as image captions) from Wikipedia infoboxes to Wikidata. Mentioning this here while (if this pans out as problematic) this may necessitate to delete such copied short descriptions from Wikidata (while operating under a different license than Wikipedia), thus giving some momentum to the suggestion above to undo deletions of local parameters (at least those that could be qualified as "short descriptions" such as image captions that are more than a repeat of the name of the file). At least I'd recommend to stop transferring such short descriptions to Wikidata for the time being, i.e. until it is cleared out whether this may or may not be problematic (or, permanently if the former would be the case). --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* I have replied there. As far as I can see, there isn't a problem here. Mike Peel (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Step by step
* (step 0) Sort through Category:Articles using Infobox World Heritage Site using locally defined parameters and identify whether this infobox should be used on those pages or not. Mike Peel (talk) 23:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* (step 1) I'm about to create Category:Articles with WHS infoboxes completely from Wikidata as a subcategory of Category:Articles with infoboxes completely from Wikidata, and adapt the code of the template so that articles using this infobox would rather go to that subcategory instead of the general category. I figured this might help to sort issues. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:31, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* That is a good step, thank you for making the category. Mike Peel (talk) 23:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
* (step 2) Meanwhile, I'm converting articles to the UNESCO version of this infobox template. Either it will be the definitive version after all this, or it will be merged back to here, but in either case it is closer to the end result and implements the RfC outcome. Too bad that thanks to some pointy behaviour of a Wikidata-enabler it shows the TfD template, but that's something I can't help. Fram (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
* Or we could run Bots/Requests for approval/Pi bot 2 to split out the articles using Wikidata, and you could then merge your version of the template to this page and use it without the TfD template... Mike Peel (talk) 23:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Progress report
Partially based on numbers already given higher up in this discussion. Don't know whether we might work towards setting ourselves a goal for when the conversion should be over? E.g. converting an average of hundred a day may mean this would be over in a fortnight; 10 a day would mean still 5 months ahead. Without time pressure would work as well for me. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:46, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
* updated --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Substitution
Exploring another possible path of approach: can the Wikidata claims that are called with the current version of this infobox be imported as static data in en.Wikipedia? E.g. by either of these technical implementations: This would bypass the (maybe less desirable?) operation of recovering deleted former parameter values: --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC) (updated 13:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC))
* 1) develop a format of this infobox that operates substitutions for each of the parameters used by the template?
* 2) launch a bot request to substitute Wikidata claims to static en.Wikipedia parameter values on the 1000+ current implementations of the template?
* 3) Same as #1 but applied to the "...UNESCO..." variant of the template
* Would you be OK with this (if technically possible)? The "...UNESCO..." variant of the infobox does not use completely the same parameters as the current (Wikidata) version of the infobox (e.g. the "...UNESCO..." variant does not seem to recognise the "State Party" parameter): in the eventuality of this substitution approach we could keep to the current structure of the infobox, and abandon the the "...UNESCO..." variant to come to an (ultimately) Wikidata-free version of this template. So this would come down to abandoning that variant. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC) (updated 13:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC))
* I have deliberately removed the State Party, Region, ... parameters as not providing any useful information on our pages. Instead I have added new, much more useful parameters which were missing. I have no problem with substitution of the Wikidata version to a local version, nor to a merge of that version with the Unesco one; but simply abandoning it would be a step backwards. Fram (talk) 12:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* Ah, I see, but then asking to revert edits like this one (effectively re-introducing values for parameters we'd rather abandon now) would make less sense. So I'd be happy to close the above "Queries " paragraphs, because asking for such reverts would seem suboptimal at best?
* Also, I'd rather add a third option now (which I effectively did): call wikidata claims "once", on initial substitution of the infobox, when they would be introduced as local data in en.Wikipedia, after which they could be updated/finetuned in en.Wikipedia if necessary (...if all of that would make technical sense of course...). I'd stop proposing "hasty bot operations" anyhow: I dislike them myself, as I said above, and doesn't seem very well possible to develop something meaningful in that vein (or would there?). --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* Started to develop the 3rd option at User talk:Francis Schonken/Wikidata/P of Q, but need help (not too experienced on many of the intricacies). --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
* Do you think this would be technically possible, and if so: which of the two three approaches proposed above would work best (or is there still another more optimal method for implementing this idea)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC) (updated 13:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC))
* Would you approve of the idea, and if so: collaborate to its execution? --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
* Sorry for not replying more quickly, I've been thinking through how this can be done. This is a backward step from having a structured database that holds this information in a way that can be fetched in a systematic manner (as well as queried - e.g. see User:Mike Peel/World Heritage Sites) - it's sort of like being asked to do your accounts in Word rather than Excel. So thinking this through is rather counter-intuitive.
* I don't think that (1) is feasible. It works for simple cases where we're just fetching values (with/without wikilinks), but it doesn't work for more complicated cases such as Wikidata location or UNESCO WHS type. (3) is the same as (1) - the only difference is that Fram is claiming responsibility for the removal of some parameters and the addition others that I'd already implemented. And this isn't compatible with the simple reverts of my edits, as you've said.
* (2) could work. It means that we unnecessarily duplicate information that is now held in Wikidata, but that seems to be what is desired. I can write some code that does this - the code would have to fetch the displayed values; the HTML for the displayed values (which can then be translated to wikicode); or the raw wikitext, depending on the parameter specified. But any way this happens, the values currently displayed in the infoboxes would be saved locally - every change I have made can be stored locally instead.
* Would I approve of the idea? Hell, no - it's a huge backward step. But we can do that if needed. Mike Peel (talk) 00:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Re. "I don't think that (1) is feasible" – semi-automatically it is at least feasible, see Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc (especially its 2nd and 3rd step could be further automated).
* Re. "(2) could work. ... I can write some code that does this" – please do, and have the bot approved via the usual procedures (when the bot submission is ready, mention it here, please, so that participants in this discussion can co-assess it). --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* To be honest, I'm inclined to take up Fram's request for me to just leave here. I don't want to spend time writing the code if it's just going to be opposed at the bot request stage (as has already happened with the first proposal). If it is something that everyone here wants, though, then I can do that. Mike Peel (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Everyone in the discussion clearly knew that rolling back wikidata in the template would result in all World Heritage articles ending up with a non-wikidata template. Alsee (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* To be honest, I'm inclined to take up Fram's request for me to just leave here. I don't want to spend time writing the code if it's just going to be opposed at the bot request stage (as has already happened with the first proposal). If it is something that everyone here wants, though, then I can do that. Mike Peel (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Everyone in the discussion clearly knew that rolling back wikidata in the template would result in all World Heritage articles ending up with a non-wikidata template. Alsee (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Bot substituting Wikidata claims to static en.Wikipedia parameter values
Above suggested "[bot ... to substitute Wikidata claims to static en.Wikipedia parameter values on the 1000+ current implementations of the template] could work [...] I can write some code that does this - the code would have to fetch the displayed values"; "If it is something that everyone here wants, though [...]" – well let's give a show of hands, supposing that "everyone here" has become less than a handful after the RfC dust settled. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Support development of this bot. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
* Support. I'm not thrilled to blindly overwrite deleted wikipedia content with wikidata, but it seems to be the best realistic option. I tried reviewing a few pages by hand. It would be difficult to get through the required number of cases without running the bot. In fact if anyone does want to pull up deleted content to check against the wikidata-result, it would be easier to do so after running the bot. I didn't see any easy way to completely shut off wikidata in the current template, which makes it extremely difficult to see a clean rendering when I fill in the deleted values. Alsee (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
* Just to comment on the last sentence, "fetchwikidata=none" should turn most off, but not everything at the moment (e.g., coordinates don't use that code system) - although with some more development that would be possible. Splitting the Wikidata uses to /wikidata and returning this template to the non-wikidata version would have been the easiest way to have resolved this in the short term (both when editing and when viewing the history). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
* Mike Peel I tried that, and just double-checked it. It says fetchwikidata is an unknown parameter. Alsee (talk) 09:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* The erroneous error message is easy to fix, although that doesn't change anything I said above. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* Mike Peel, number one: The infobox for Humberstone_and_Santa_Laura_Saltpeter_Works contains the following raw text "Includes Q42958985 Q42959015". I've lost track of the identified issues with the Wikidata infobox, but in case it hasn't been mentioned, I don't think a reader will find the text Q42958985 Q42959015 very helpful. Number two, there are several fields where |fetchwikidata=none doesn't work. Three, I tried |fetchwikidata=none AND copying every documented field in the template and filling them with junk values. Guess what? That still failed to stop Wikidata import. There are multiple undocumented fields fetching from wikidata, and they ignore fetchwikidata=none. Fun fun fun. On the bright side, none of these issues need to be fixed! They vanish once we've converted back to non-wikidata. Alsee (talk) 11:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* Oh, I just saw the "Includes Q#####" discussion below. Chuckle. Alsee (talk) 11:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
* So, I think the conclusion here is "please go away" - was explicit about this, while went with a more sarcastic approach. I would still like to continue improving these infoboxes, ideally by using data stored on Wikidata, which could have been bot-updated from the WHS site. But this clearly isn't welcome here. So I'm out - but please don't try to portray this as 'he wasn't willing to fix the problems he caused" when I suggested reasonable options that were declined. Mike Peel (talk) 01:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
* Mike Peel I have nothing against you personally, and I'd assume Fram doesn't either. The only thing we want to 'go away' is wikidata in the templates. Alsee (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Write conversion manual
See Template:Infobox World Heritage Site/doc: some assistance in writing that manual would be welcome. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
RfC fully implemented
I redirected Template:Infobox World Heritage Site to this template, while there were no further mainspace implementations of that template, see Template talk:Infobox World Heritage Site. Maybe I should have merged in the other direction, but this way seemed technically easiest. --Francis Schonken (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Embedding border
Hi,
I am a patroller on trwiki. There is a problem with our template in trwiki. Let me show you with examples. Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park vs. tr:Belovezhskaya Pushcha Ulusal Parkı. As you see in infobox templates, there is a yellow border in your template, but ours doesn't. To add that yellow border, what should I do, yo think? Template:Infobox UNESCO World Heritage Site vs. tr:Şablon:Dünya Mirasları bilgi kutusu?-Thecatcherintherye (talk) 10:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC) | WIKI |
If the window title is shown and the window is non-maximized, the Firefox button becomes bigger
RESOLVED INVALID
Status
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Firefox
Extension Compatibility
RESOLVED INVALID
8 years ago
8 years ago
People
(Reporter: JK, Unassigned)
Tracking
({regression})
Trunk
x86
Windows 7
regression
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Firefox Tracking Flags
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Description
8 years ago
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0b7) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0b7
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101114 Firefox/4.0b8pre
If the window title is shown e.g. with the Aero Window Title extension, the Firefox button becomes bigger.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/221514/
Regression window:
Working: 2010-11-11-04-mozilla-central
Bugged: 2010-11-12-04-mozilla-central
Perhaps caused by Bug 610071 or Bug 610769 ?
http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?startdate=2010-11-11+05%3A40&enddate=2010-11-12+05%3A40
Reproducible: Always
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Updated
8 years ago
Summary: If the window title is shown, the Firefox button becomes bigger. → If the window title is shown and the window is non-maximized, the Firefox button becomes bigger
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Updated
8 years ago
Keywords: regression
Version: unspecified → Trunk
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Comment 1
8 years ago
Created attachment 490475 [details]
Firefox / Minefield button
Comment 2
8 years ago
Assuming that this is a bug against my extension and not Firefox, this is INVALID in this bug system. I can fix it at some point, but the theme keeps changing so I'm unlikely to do it until beta8 is cut.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 8 years ago
Component: Theme → Extension Compatibility
QA Contact: theme → extension.compatibility
Resolution: --- → INVALID
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Drowned Gold/Chapter 23
HASTENED after him to the little compartment, equipping myself as I ran with the deafeners for my ears and the ponderous eye-pieces, and then, for a long time, stood looking at the sight before me. True enough, there lay the Esperanza, resting at the bottom of the declivity, and at the foot of the scar which she had made in her downward progress. She was tilted at such an angle that her whole side was plainly visible. The great hole amidships, torn by the torpedo that had sunk her, was exposed, and her plates were jagged and bent inward around its edges. Even as I looked, a number of deep-sea fish, looking monstrous and goggle-eyed, swam hastily out of her engine-room, and off into the depths, as if blinded by the glare of light fixed upon them. Aside from the wound that had brought her to death, the Esperanza seemed almost uninjured. There was but a slight coating of sea-deposit visible on her hull, and where she rested there was no sea-growth to wave and twist about her like a sub-ocean funeral shroud. At that moment was born the wild, almost frantic hope of salvaging not only the gold, but the ship herself, and something of the same thought must have been in Jimmy's mind, for he swung the searchlight slowly across her from stem to stern, giving an ample opportunity for inspection. It seemed certain that her keel was intact and uninjured. If that proved true, it might be possible to bring her to the surface, were it not for the great depth, and whether or not that would prove an insurmountable obstacle remained to be seen. One thing, however, was obvious, that only by bringing her to the surface could we reach the gold. The absurdity of all this speculation was realized when I remembered our position, for it was still a matter of anxiety and uncertainty whether we should be able to raise ourselves to the surface and save our own lives, which, for the time being, was assuredly of more importance than the salvaging of the Esperanza, or the treasure aboard her. Twisted Jimmy Martin, too, seemed to recall this, for he cut off his lights, dropped from his little platform, and we removed the deafeners and glasses, and met each other's eyes.
"Now for it," he said grimly.
"Yes," I answered. "We shall know within the next few minutes just about how desperate an effort is before us to climb back up. Do you realize that we are standing at sixty-two fathoms' depth, probably the greatest depth ever before attained by any living human being?"
For answer he turned and pointed to the gauges in front of him.
"Realize it? Good Lord, man! I have been shivering in a cold sweat up there on that platform every second of time since the gauge dropped below fifty-five. But she has not sprung a leak anywhere, has she?"
"Nothing reported," I answered, as together we turned and passed through the engine-room, where the men, unaware of our actual achievement, but evidently in suspense, stood waiting for orders.
I gave them commands, heard the first heavy throbbing of the pumps, and the roaring of the dynamos, and for an instant feared the worst. Then, with almost stately ease, the Hector's dials began to show ascent, the hydroplanes cut the water, and at a long angle we swept serenely upward out of the depths. The feat was accomplished with such ease that I could have shouted with exultation; for now I knew that the craft was not only the most powerful, but the most adept, of its kind in the entire world. We were, for the time being, absolute masters of everything on all the floors of all the seas at such depths. We were the salvage kings of the world. Fortunes beyond computation were actually within our reach. As we almost leapt above the surface of the water and opened the conning-tower and ventilator conduits, I again thought with overwhelming gratitude of Monsieur Périgord, that kindly old man who had put such possibilities within our reach, and could I at that moment have flashed him a message across the Atlantic, telling him of our success, I would have given five hundred dollars for such ability. I could picture to myself his gratification when a message reached him, for I felt how keenly interested he was in our endeavor, an endeavor which he had fathered and made possible for us.
We made most exact observations as to the location of the wreck, not caring to leave a tell-tale buoy to arouse comment and speculation, if by chance any ship came across it, and then, running light, turned toward Martinique, that lay, blue, beautiful, and bathed in sunlight, on the eastern horizon.
It was too late in the afternoon to begin operations on that day, and I took advantage of the remaining hours of daylight to make my way to that little village in which dwelt the friendly old cable officer, who had been of such splendid assistance to me, and who had actually accomplished the ambition of Monsieur Périgord. I was much disappointed when a strange face confronted me through the wicket. Monsieur le capitaine Fournier had been gone for some weeks. He, too, had been homesick for France, like that other exile, and his longings had been gratified. I secured his address from his successor before I wrote the following cablegram:
The cable officer started perfunctorily to check the message, and then his eyes opened wide, and he smiled up at me.
"Pardon me, monsieur," he said, "but is that the Périgord who lived so long in Maracaibo?"
Wondering somewhat at his curiosity, I replied in the affirmative.
"A most remarkable career, monsieur," he went on. "I have but to-day received newspapers telling of his arrival in France. Doubtless you would be interested in reading them. I have finished them from top to bottom, including the advertisements, and if you wish, you may have them."
I did wish them, and did accept them, and, impatient to read the news they contained, repaired to the little hotel where Jimmy and I had stopped, and where I was to meet him before our return to the Hector. We sat in our old private corner of the garden, and I read to him aloud, translating as I progressed, what had happened to our benefactor.
Monsieur Périgord, as became such a remarkable figure, and one who had made such a liberal sacrifice for France, had been given a welcome in the whole-hearted and generous French style upon his arrival. He had been publicly decorated by the President in person. It appeared that not only through me had he tried to ship gold to France, but that he had also contributed enormous sums during the entire course of the war in an anonymous way through his bankers, and that the President of France, having learned that he was the donor, had gleefully betrayed him and told of his generosity. I had not even dreamed of the extent of his affluence, for the paper stated that altogether he had given the enormous sum of one hundred million francs to the cause of France, not including the treasure which I had attempted to convey, and which was the first and only gift given openly in his own name. The paper stated that he had retired, considerably exhausted by the extravagance of the public reception, and public honors, to one of his châteaux that had been restored to him, where he was now in seclusion and peace. Another paper stated, with not too much delicacy, that Monsieur Périgord, like so many others in France, had completely impoverished himself by his patriotic gifts, and was now far from being even a moderately rich man.
When I read this last and concluding paragraph, both Jimmy and I found ourselves looking at each other with staring eyes.
"Well, what do you think of that, Tom? That poor old cuss gave us about the last dollar he had," declared Jimmy, in an awe-stricken mumble. "He knew he was broke at the time he made arrangements for the money, and was giving us the last of his wad on a blind chance that we would make good, and also because he was so big-hearted he was bound to show us he appreciated what you had done for him—just like a man who is dying passes over his pocket-knife and his watch to the friend who has stuck by him."
"Jimmy, it's up to you and me to make good," I said. "He is going to need us now more than he ever did in his life before, and somehow I have an idea that he did not at all depend upon us, and thought we were a pair of dreamers; so if we can help him out after he has broken himself for his country, and for us, we will play the score even or know the reason why."
"Aye! That we will!" exclaimed Twisted Jimmy, as if ratifying an agreement.
And it was with this determination imbuing both of us that on the following day the Hector led the way out of the cove, followed by the squat, ugly, dingy Sea-Gull, pulling an anything-but-beautiful barge and the pontoons that made our salvage equipment complete. I still recall most vividly that morning scene. It is some years since then, but I can still feel upon my face the soft landward breeze, the sight of high mountains, upreared and frowning behind us, the receding tropical growths and greens of the shore, the blue of the sea and the restless uplift of its surface, as we ploughed through it toward our destination. I remember that, standing on the tiny bridge of the submarine and keeping constant note of our speed and the tale of the compass, my exhilaration was subdued by a grave thought that after all we had but commenced our task, and that failure would be more bitter than ever if luck went against us. I almost regretted having sent such an exuberant message to Monsieur Périgord, in the quietude of his beloved France, for I knew that if that paragraph in the newspaper was true, and I was convinced it was, his hopes, like our own, were centred solely upon our success.
We were, after all, but explorers in an unknown field, for never yet in all the history of the seas had man been able to resurrect from its greater depths any of his treasures lost, save under the most propitious circumstances. Its floors, below fifty fathoms' depth, were laden with the accumulation of the centuries. Aye, this is true. A Spaniard had conquered the Incas of Peru, and wrested from them more than eight hundred million dollars' worth of gold, to have it in turn wrested from him by these same Caribbean waves and laid away in the inviolate treasure chests of the seas, together with the bones of those who, having tortured others, came, tortured themselves, to unapproachable graves. And grim was the guard these dead men kept over their ill-gotten treasure in the black sea-caverns beneath us. Dead men and gold removed from the reach of the living as if to teach the feebly strutting, striving conquistador of earth the futility of battling with an enemy whose face could not be so much as scarred by the prows of his ships.
We came to a halt near where we judged the Esperanza lay, but not quite above it, taking advantage of our knowledge to bring the barge to anchorage on the high edge of the shoal, and, determined to waste no time, brought the assembled force to work. There was much to do in those preliminaries. None but one who has worked in a wreckage outfit has much conception of the careful preparations that are requisite to even a less formidable task than ours. The handling of huge steel cylinders that must be submerged, the adjustment of the enormous pumps which must eventually drive the water from these and force air into them when once they are fixed to the wreck, the swinging of huge cranes, the handling of powerful donkey engines, and the thousand and one little details, upon any single one of which either success or failure depends, are exigencies which a layman does not appreciate. It would seem to the unthinking man that nothing could be more simple in shallow water than to lower a diver over the edge of a boat and when he grappled the wreck, hoist him aboard and haul away. A landsman does not stop to consider that the rise of a ground swell, or even the slightest sea, makes the seizure of the wreck almost an impossibility, for in the water at even a depth where all is still and serene the great hooks move up and down under the lift and fall of wave buoyancy most tantalizingly. Once the irons are fastened to a wreck in shallow waters, there is the constant danger that wave pressure alone will hoist her up, then bring her thumping down upon the bottom to her disintegration. It is for this reason that so few submarines are ever salvaged, save in the calmest of seas. Nature herself is, and will always remain, the most formidable opponent to the wrecker.
When our surface preparations had been made, the Hector again lowered herself, this time with complete confidence, to begin her share of the work. The first time when we attained that enormous depth, Twisted Jimmy and I had gone down in quivering fear, held in leash only by desperation. Familiarity does breed contempt, for on the second submergence to the sea floor, we descended with nothing more than a tensity brought about by a slight uncertainty, and on the third time we descended boldly. The Hector had proved competent. There was no danger that we could see, and we became accustomed to abnormal conditions.
We became mere workmen, Jimmy and I, down there at the bottom, drilling holes here and there through which to thrust interior locking eye-bolts, to which we expected to fasten our huge steel cylinders until buoyancy aided surface strength to lift the Esperanza from her sea-bed. We learned to manipulate the Hector in those great depths until we could poise her in position at will. We lived in a strange atmosphere of our own. Engrossed in our work, and forgetting that we were the first men to attempt such a task, we had forgotten the vicissitudes of the elements themselves on that third day, when, after successfully attaching one of the huge steel cylinders to the Esperanza, we came to the surface to rest for the night, and were told by the chief officer aboard the tug that his barometer was beginning to show signs of unrest, and ours speedily confirmed it. We were actually astonished when we looked up that evening, expecting sunlight, to find a sky overcast, and flying streamers of warning clouds, wind-driven in the upper spaces, scurrying northward as if to escape a tempest.
By the time we had finished our anxious evening meal, it became certain that safety demanded that we should run for it. As yet the surface of the sea was undisturbed, but had taken on an almost sinister oiliness, as if breathing deeply to gain strength for an onslaught. Despite the terrifying indications about us, had we been in more northern waters we should have hung on a while longer; but in the tropics even the barometer becomes unstable, and there are scarcely ever two storms that give similar indications when impending. I began to fear that we were in the very center of a hurricane that was forming around us, and that would, when under way, become cyclonic. We therefore lost no time in getting the barge anchors up, and the men aboard her began making hurried preparations for safety. We were still confident that with anything at all like good fortune, the tug would have time to tow her convoy into one of the harbors of Martinique. We discussed the advisability, however, of taking a spare line aboard the Hector, but concluded that we might retard rather than hasten the tow, which was, after all, a comparatively light burden for the Sea-Gull. For an hour we ran abreast of her as she progressed toward safety, throwing a huge column of smoke into the stillness of the air above her, and proving to us that Rogers was sparing no effort for speed. The Hector, in the meantime, was taking chances and running light, but with everything in readiness for a quick closing of ventilators and conning-tower hatch in case of emergency. This preparation was not wasted; for the storm fell upon us with scarcely a moment's warning. We had no time to waste when it burst. In the few minutes granted us to look through the periscope, we saw that the tug had altered her course and was heading toward the storm, apparently intent on working by a long angle for the port we had made after the sinking of the Esperanza. We knew now that whatever our desire to assist her, we could be of no service, and already were warned of our own danger by the terrific rolling and straining of the Hector.
A submarine on the surface in a storm suffers even more, owing to her build, than the average liner; for the pitch and toss is given a sickening quality of instability that a true surface boat does not possess. The plunging is not unlike the heavy dive and slow recovery of a battleship in distress. Again, a submarine is but an enormous mass of machinery, a large proportion of which is of a rather delicate nature, and therefore her only resource in a storm is to submerge.
For a few minutes, while we struggled to keep sight of the tug-boat and her wallowing tow behind, we aboard the Hector were hurled to and fro, and "batted" sideways, clinging with might and main to anything to keep from falling, and then, as we hastily submerged to escape possible destruction, we came suddenly into that astonishing change that can be felt aboard a submarine only under such circumstances. At twenty feet depth the rolling and pitching was appreciably less, and at forty-five feet, to which level we came before stopping, it was as if toe had passed into a world of motionless stillness. In almost any ordinary storm a submergence of thirty feet brings a submersible boat into comparative calm, incredible as this may seem to one who witnesses the enormous lift and fall of waters upon the surface. We stopped all engines, and for an hour and a half rested there, vastly concerned regarding the weather the Sea-Gull might be making toward her destination, and then decided to learn, if possible, whether the hurricane had been of but short duration or threatened to be prolonged. We accordingly emptied some of the water from our ballast tanks and started upward; but even at a depth of thirty feet we were aware by the motion of the boat that above us the seas were still engulfed in a fury, and were compelled once more to submerge. We were now certain that in no event could we be of any assistance to the tug, and that our own safety depended upon maintaining such depth as would prevent us from injury. Also we knew that by this time the night above would be as black as a storm can ever accomplish. We exercised such patience as we could, set the customary watches, and went to sleep.
At seven o'clock of the following morning we again tried to emerge and again became aware that the tempest was unabated. Throughout that trying day, at intervals, we made further attempts; but always to find them useless, and so were forced to pass a second night submerged.
It was nearly noon of the following day when, despite the rolling of the sea, we came to the surface. The storm had passed with all that surprising swiftness of change with which so many tropical hurricanes are accompanied, and the sun was shining hot and white above us. The sea had abated, save for the long after-swells, and gave promise to subside entirely within a few hours. The glass itself indicated clearing weather, and we were able to renew our air supply, although not without an occasional wetting through the open hatches together with some discomfort, from the motion. Nowhere upon the surface of the sea was there anything in sight; so, hoping fervently that the tug with her tow had preceded us safely to the harbor toward which she had been heading when last seen, we ourselves struggled in that direction.
With our air replenished, we ran submerged under the power of our motors and by dead reckoning, until the time we were forced to travel on the surface, and then arose to find ourselves but a mile or so distant from the harbor entrance. Fortunately for us, the storm had come up from the south-southeast. Hence the moment we were clear of the headlands of the little bay, we were in undisturbed water and could emerge completely. For the first time in days we were able to come out on deck and look around.
The whole of the tiny harbor lay open before us, and was absolutely untenanted. | WIKI |
let A be symmetrical Subset of COMPLEX; :: thesis: for F being PartFunc of REAL,REAL st F is_odd_on A holds
- F is_odd_on A
let F be PartFunc of REAL,REAL; :: thesis: ( F is_odd_on A implies - F is_odd_on A )
assume A1: F is_odd_on A ; :: thesis: - F is_odd_on A
then A2: A c= dom F ;
then A3: A c= dom (- F) by VALUED_1:8;
then A4: dom ((- F) | A) = A by RELAT_1:62;
A5: F | A is odd by A1;
for x being Real st x in dom ((- F) | A) & - x in dom ((- F) | A) holds
((- F) | A) . (- x) = - (((- F) | A) . x)
proof
let x be Real; :: thesis: ( x in dom ((- F) | A) & - x in dom ((- F) | A) implies ((- F) | A) . (- x) = - (((- F) | A) . x) )
assume that
A6: x in dom ((- F) | A) and
A7: - x in dom ((- F) | A) ; :: thesis: ((- F) | A) . (- x) = - (((- F) | A) . x)
A8: x in dom (F | A) by A2, A4, A6, RELAT_1:62;
A9: - x in dom (F | A) by A2, A4, A7, RELAT_1:62;
reconsider x = x as Element of REAL by XREAL_0:def 1;
((- F) | A) . (- x) = ((- F) | A) /. (- x) by A7, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= (- F) /. (- x) by A3, A4, A7, PARTFUN2:17
.= (- F) . (- x) by A3, A7, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - (F . (- x)) by VALUED_1:8
.= - (F /. (- x)) by A2, A7, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - ((F | A) /. (- x)) by A2, A4, A7, PARTFUN2:17
.= - ((F | A) . (- x)) by A9, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - (- ((F | A) . x)) by A5, A8, A9, Def6
.= - (- ((F | A) /. x)) by A8, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - (- (F /. x)) by A2, A4, A6, PARTFUN2:17
.= - (- (F . x)) by A2, A6, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - ((- F) . x) by VALUED_1:8
.= - ((- F) /. x) by A3, A6, PARTFUN1:def 6
.= - (((- F) | A) /. x) by A3, A4, A6, PARTFUN2:17
.= - (((- F) | A) . x) by A6, PARTFUN1:def 6 ;
hence ((- F) | A) . (- x) = - (((- F) | A) . x) ; :: thesis: verum
end;
then ( (- F) | A is with_symmetrical_domain & (- F) | A is quasi_odd ) by A4;
hence - F is_odd_on A by A3; :: thesis: verum | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
Bhaskaracharya … By Prof. Mohan Apte
SIDDHANTASHIROMANI
Bhaskaracharya wrote Siddhanta Shiromani in 1150 AD when he was 36 years old. This is a mammoth work containing about 1450 verses. It is divided into four parts, Lilawati, Beejaganit, Ganitadhyaya and Goladhyaya. In fact each part can be considered as separate book. The numbers of verses in each part are as follows,
Lilawati has 278, Beejaganit has 213, Ganitadhyaya has 451 and Goladhyaya has 501 verses.
One of the most important characteristic of Siddhanta Shiromani is, it consists of simple methods of calculations from Arithmetic to Astronomy. Essential knowledge of ancient Indian Astronomy can be acquired by reading only this book. Siddhanta Shiromani has surpassed all the ancient books on astronomy in India. After Bhaskaracharya nobody could write excellent books on mathematics and astronomy in lucid language in India. In India, Siddhanta works used to give no proofs of any theorem. Bhaskaracharya has also followed the same tradition.
Lilawati is an excellent example of how a difficult subject like mathematics can be written in poetic language. Lilawati has been translated in many languages throughout the world. When British Empire became paramount in India, they established three universities in 1857, at Bombay, Calcutta and Madras. Till then, for about 700 years, mathematics was taught in India from Bhaskaracharya’s Lilawati and Beejaganit. No other textbook has enjoyed such long lifespan.
BHASKAR’S MATHEMATICS
Lilawati and Beejaganit together consist of about 500 verses. A few important highlights of Bhaskar’s mathematics are as follows,
Terms for numbers
In English, cardinal numbers are only in multiples of 1000. They have terms such as thousand, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion etc. Most of these have been named recently. However, Bhaskaracharya has given the terms for numbers in multiples of ten and he says that these terms were coined by ancients for the sake of positional values. Bhaskar’s terms for numbers are as follows:
eka(1), dasha(10), shata(100), sahastra(1000), ayuta(10,000), laksha(100,000), prayuta (1,000,000=million), koti(107), arbuda(108), abja(109=billion), kharva (1010), nikharva (1011), mahapadma (1012=trillion), shanku(1013), jaladhi(1014), antya(1015=quadrillion), Madhya (1016) and parardha(1017).
Kuttak
Kuttak is nothing but the modern indeterminate equation of first order. The method of solution of such equations was called as ‘pulverizer’ in the western world. Kuttak means to crush to fine particles or to pulverize. There are many kinds of Kuttaks. Let us consider one example.
In the equation, ax + b = cy, a and b are known positive integers. We want to also find out the values of x and y in integers. A particular example is,
100x +90 = 63y
Bhaskaracharya gives the solution of this example as, x = 18, 81, 144, 207… And y=30, 130, 230, 330…
Indian Astronomers used such kinds of equations to solve astronomical problems. It is not easy to find solutions of these equations but Bhaskara has given a generalized solution to get multiple answers.
Chakrawaal
Chakrawaal is the “indeterminate equation of second order” in western mathematics. This type of equation is also called Pell’s equation. Though the equation is recognized by his name Pell had never solved the equation. Much before Pell, the equation was solved by an ancient and eminent Indian mathematician, Brahmagupta (628 AD). The solution is given in his Brahmasphutasiddhanta. Bhaskara modified the method and gave a general solution of this equation. For example, consider the equation 61×2 + 1 = y2. Bhaskara gives the values of x = 22615398 and y = 1766319049
There is an interesting history behind this very equation. The Famous French mathematician Pierre de Fermat (1601-1664) asked his friend Bessy to solve this very equation. Bessy used to solve the problems in his head like present day Shakuntaladevi. Bessy failed to solve the problem. After about 100 years another famous French mathematician solved this problem. But his method is lengthy and could find a particular solution only, while Bhaskara gave the solution for five cases. In his book ‘History of mathematics’, see what Carl Boyer says about this equation,
‘In connection with the Pell’s equation ax2 + 1 = y2, Bhaskara gave particular solutions for five cases, a = 8, 11, 32, 61, and 67, for 61×2 + 1 = y2, for example he gave the solutions, x = 226153980 and y = 1766319049, this is an impressive feat in calculations and its verifications alone will tax the efforts of the reader’
Henceforth the so-called Pell’s equation should be recognized as ‘Brahmagupta-Bhaskaracharya equation’.
Simple mathematical methods
Bhaskara has given simple methods to find the squares, square roots, cube, and cube roots of big numbers. He has proved the Pythagoras theorem in only two lines. The famous Pascal Triangle was Bhaskara’s ‘Khandameru’. Bhaskara has given problems on that number triangle. Pascal was born 500 years after Bhaskara. Several problems on permutations and combinations are given in Lilawati. Bhaskar. He has called the method ‘ankapaash’. Bhaskara has given an approximate value of PI as 22/7 and more accurate value as 3.1416. He knew the concept of infinity and called it as ‘khahar rashi’, which means ‘anant’. It seems that Bhaskara had not notions about calculus, One of his equations in modern notation can be written as, d(sin (w)) = cos (w) dw.
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There's a reason short-term health plans aren't available in every state
Open enrollment, the annual period where you can sign up for plans that fall under the Affordable Care Act — also popularly called Obamacare — has started. In 2016, about 16 percent of Americans bought private individual health plans, which includes Affordable Care Act offerings sold on government exchanges, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Every year, millions of people have to make decisions about the kind of care they need. During the 2018 annual enrollment, for example, nearly 11.8 million people signed up or were automatically enrolled through the ACA. But another choice, known as a short-term health plan, is much cheaper and designed to appeal to younger, healthier people, or people of any age who want to save money. Unlike ACA plans, you can sign up for them throughout the year. Side-by-side, these plans cost far less. A 30-year-old woman in Chicago buying an ACA "Bronze" plan, according to Shaun Greene, senior vice president of AgileHealthInsurance, would pay $219.57 per month. If she buys a short-term plan, she'd pay approximately $120. The White House earlier this month made a couple of important tweaks to short-term health plans, to increase their appeal to consumers. That's on top of ending the penalty for not buying standard health-care coverage. You can now use subsidies to purchase short-term plans, depending on your state and income level. Next year, California will no longer allow these plans to be offered. Other states have enacted limits on how many times a plan can be renewed; still other states have expanded renewals. Claire McAndrew, director of campaigns and partnerships at Families USA, an advocacy organization for health-care consumers, calls the change concerning and potentially illegal. "Federal law is very clear that those subsidies are for standard health insurance," she said. The danger is that consumers could be diverted from buying regular health insurance. "If the plan can have a term of up to 12 months and is potentially renewable, a healthy person might not think twice about just enrolling for the full year," said Louise Norris, a writer and health insurance brokerage co-owner at Colorado Health Insurance Insider. That short-term plan might prove to be wholly inadequate in the face of a serious medical condition. "And they're still stuck with having to wait until the start of the following year before they can get coverage under an ACA-compliant plan," Norris said. Karen Pollitz senior fellow, health reform and private insurance at the Kaiser Family Foundation, says the changes will make it harder for people to see the difference between ACA plans and short-term plans. "You see the words renewable and extensions, but they are meaningless words," Pollitz said. Renewals are always up to the insurer, not the consumer. "That is why the Obama administration put those limits in place," she said. "These policies will cut out on you when you get sick." Short-term insurance plans sometimes have strange rules. Families USA found a plan that would cover hospitalizations only if they started on a weekday — inpatient stays that began on the weekend would not be allowed, except in rare circumstances, according to McAndrew. (The exclusions are on page 14 in the above link.) There is scant consensus among states on how to treat the sale of these plans. Some states prohibit them altogether. If you live in Massachusetts, New Jersey or New York, you can't buy a short-term plan. Vermont wants to make short-term health insurance provide all the benefits guaranteed under the Affordable Care Act. Some states, including Missouri, Minnesota and Virginia, want to expand access, but so far have been unsuccessful. The best way to see how your state regulates short-term health insurance is to search Healthinsurance.org, a site that gives information on policy, regulation and prices. When insurance companies cover you under a policy, they are assuming certain risks. If you get sick under an Affordable Care Act policy, the cost of your care will be covered as outlined in your policy description. Getting treatment won't hinder your ability to renew the plan. You pay a higher premium, as well as other costs, for Affordable Care Act health policies, because in return for those costs, the insurance company will kick in a more generous portion in case you get sick and need care. The lower up-front costs of a short-term health plan are a tipoff that they don't intend to pay much if you file a claim for an accident or an illness. Given how little they cost, they just don't cover very much, says McAndrew. Greene, of AgileHealthInsurance, says the plans offer consumers a choice. "All insurance is regulated, filed and reviewed by state insurance departments," Greene said. "If someone is in a short-term plan that is a bad fit, it's not junk insurance – it's the wrong plan. "People need to understand what they're buying and buy the right thing." The plans can be problematic for people who think they're going to have health issues. "If you take one and have issues, then shame on you, because you should have been on the other plan," Greene said. Policies that are compliant with the Affordable Care Act do not use underwriting. You may have heard that term used in insurance contracts – here's what it means. Insurance works best when the risk is spread out among many people. One way insurance companies manage risk is by finding out how risky it is to insure someone. For instance, young male drivers are considered to be more reckless, so they generally pay much higher rates for their car insurance. Plans that comply with ACA regulations accept everyone, no questions asked. They are more expensive because they guarantee specific benefits, like maternity care. All insurers that sell short-term plans, on the other hand, use underwriting to determine how expensive it might be to cover someone. You will have to answer questions about your personal health and habits before you're accepted. If you answer a question that means you're going to cost more, you'll get a quick turn-down, like the one shown below. If you're planning on having a child, or use tobacco products, or have a history of diabetes or other illness, short-term health insurers likely will turn you down. Another change is allowing states to establish specific, parallel insurance marketplaces. "States can apply to take the waivers people would receive in the [ACA] marketplace and redistribute them [for buyers of short-term plans]," said Kaiser's Pollitz. If healthy people leave the ACA market to buy short-term plans, it makes the ACA market less healthy and more risky for insurers. "That drives up [the cost of] premiums in the ACA-compliant pool," Norris said. People who qualify for subsidies to buy their insurance are protected from rate hikes, says Norris. And healthy people who can buy cheaper insurance in the short-term market can save money that way. The people most likely to suffer are those with pre-existing conditions who don't qualify for subsidies. Their premiums will rise precisely because short-term plans for healthy people have been expanded. "Just about every insurer in states that don't limit short-term plans included higher premiums for 2019," Norris said. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
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I am a little skeptical of these edits made in July 2019:. Among other things, the terms "Zodiac" and "inflatable boat" are removed. The lede is incomprehensible now. Mathew5000 (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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Page is brand specific. "Zodiac" IS NOT the exclusive manufacturer of CRRCs. At this time, more than 90% of US military CRRCs (under the E-CRRC program, via Combatant Craft Division) are produced by Wing Inflatables, Arcata, California. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC) | WIKI |
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STATE OF WISCONSIN et al. v. STATE OF ILLINOIS AND SANITARY DISTRICT OF CHICAGO et al. STATE OF MICHIGAN v. SAME. STATE OF NEW YORK v. SAME.
Nos. 7, 11, and 12 Original.
Argued April 23, 24, 1928.—
Decided January 14, 1929.
Mr. Nathan L. Miller‘, with whom Messrs. Albert Ottinger, Attorney General of New York, Albert J. Danaher, Assistant Attorney General, and Randall J. LeBoeuf, Jr., were on the brief, for plaintiffs in No. 12 Original.
Messrs. William M. Potter, Attorney General of Michigan, and Wilber M. Brucker, Assistant Attorney General, with whom Mr. Arthur E. Kidder, Assistant Attorney General, was on the brief, for plaintiff in No. 11 Original.
Messrs. R. T. Jackson, Special Assistant Attorney Gen.-eral of Wisconsin, and Newton D. Baker, Special Assistant •Attorney General of Ohio, with whom Messrs. John W. Reynolds, Attorney General of Wisconsin, Herman L. Ekern, Special Assistant Attorney General of Wisconsin, Herbert H. Naujoks, Assistant Attorney General of Wisconsin, G. A. Youngquist, Attorney General of Minnesota, Edward C. Turner, Attorney General of Ohio, and T. J. Baldridge, Attorney General of Pennsylvania, were on the brief, for plaintiffs in No. 7 Original.
Messrs. Cyrus Dietz, Jamies Hamilton Lewis and James M. Beck, with whom Messrs. Oscar E. Carlstrom, Attorney General of Illinois, Maclay Hoyne, Attorney for the Sanitary District of Chicago, Hugh S. Johnson, George F. Barrett, Louis J. Behan, and Edmund D. Adcock were on the brief, for defendants, the State of Illinois and the Sanitary District of Chicago.
Mr. Daniel N. Kirhy, with whom Messrs. Percy Saint, Attorney General of Louisiana, North T. Gentry, Attorney General of Missouri, H. W. Applegate, Attorney General of Arkansas, Rush H. Knox, Attorney General of Mississippi, Frank'E. Daugherty, Attorney General of Kentucky, L. D. Smith, Attorney General of Tennessee, and Cornelius Lynde were on the brief, for the intervening defendants, Mississippi River States.
Mr. Chief Justice Taft
delivered the opinion of the Court.
These are amended bills by the States of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York, praying for an injunction against the State of Illinois and the Sanitary District of Chicago from continuing to withdraw 8,500 cubic feet of water a second from Lake Michigan at Chicago.
The Court referred the cause to Charles Evans Hughes as a Special Master, with authority to take the evidence, and to report the same to the Court with his findings of fact, conclusions .of law and recommendations for a decree, all to be subject to approval or other disposal by the Court. . The Master gave full hearings and filed and submitted his report November 23, 1927, to which the complainants duly lodged exceptions, which have been elaborately argued.
When the first of these bills was filed, there was pending in this Court an appeal by the Sanitary District of Chicago from a decree granted at the suit of the United States by the United States District Court for the Northern District' of Illinois, against a diversion from the Lake in excess of 250,000 cubic feet per minute, or' 4,167 cubic feet per second. This amount had been permitted by the Secretary of War. In January, 1925, this Court affirmed the .decree, without prejudice to the granting of a further permit by the Secretary of War according to law. 266 U. S. 405. On March 3, 1925, the Secretary of War after that decree enlarged the permit for a diversion not to exceed an annual average of-8,500 cubic feet per second, upon certain conditions hereafter to be noted.
The amended bills herein averred that the Chicago diversion had lowered the levels of Lakes Michigan, Huron, Erie and Ontario, their connecting waterways, and of the St. Lawrence River above tide-water, not less than six inches, to the serious injury of the complainant States, their citizens and property owners; that the acts of the defendants had never been authorized by Congress but were violations of-the rights of the complainant States and their people; that the withdrawals of the water from Lake Michigan were for the purpose of taking care of the sewage of Chicago and were not justified by any control Congress had attempted to exercise or could exercise in interstate commerce over the waters of Lake Michigan; and that the withdrawals were in palpable violation of the Act of Congress of March 3, 1899. The bills prayed that the defendants' be enjoined from' permanently diverting water from Lake Michigan or from dumping or draining sewage into its waterways which would render them unsanitary or obstruct the people of the complainant States in navigating them.
The State of Illinois filed a demurrer to the bills and the Sanitary District of Chicago an answer, which included a motion to dismiss. The States of Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and Louisiana, by leave of Court, became intervening co-defendants, on the same side as Illinois, and moved to dismiss the bills. The demurrer of Illinois was overruled and the motions to dismiss were denied, without prejudice. Thereupon the intervening defendants and the defendants, the Sanitary District and the State of Illinois, filed their respective answers. The States of Mississippi and Arkansas were also permitted to intervene as defendants, and adopted the answers of the other interveners. The answers of the defendants denied the injuries alleged, and averred • that authority was given for the diversion under the acts of the Legislature of Illinois and under acts of Congress and permits of the Secretary of War authorized by Congress in the regulation of interstate commerce. All the answers stressed the point that the diversion of water from Lake Michigan improved the navigation of the Mississippi River and was an aid to the commerce of the Mississippi Valley and sought the preservation of this aid. They also set up the defense of laches, acquiescence and estoppel, on the ground that the purposes of the canal and the diversion were known to the people and the officials of the complainant States, and that no protest or complaint had been made in their behalf prior to the filing of the original bills herein.
The Master has made a comprehensive review of the evidence before him in regard to the history of the canal, the extent and effect of the diversion, the action of the State ■and Federal Governments^ the plans for the disposal of the sewage and .waste of Chicago and the other territory within the Sanitary District, as well as the character and feasibility of works proposed as a means of compensating for the lowering of lake levels. From this review we.shall take what will assist us in the consideration of the issues ■deemed necessary to be considered on the.exceptions to the report.
We shall first consider in. brief the parts taken by Congress and the State of Illinois and their respective agencies in the construction of the Sanitary District Canal and the creation of the Lake Michigan diversion.
By the Act of March 30, 1822, c. 14; 3 Stat. 659, Congress authorized Illinois to suivey and mark, through the public lands of the United States, thé route of a canal connecting the Illinois River with Lake Michigan, and granted certain lands in aid of the project.' A further land grant was made in 1827. The canal was completed in 1848. The canal crossed the continental divide between the Chicago and .Des Plaines Rivers, on a summit level eight feet above the Lake, and then paralleled the Des Plaines River and the Upper Illinois River to La Salle, Illinois, where it entered the latter stream. The summit of the canal was supplied with water by pumps located in a plant on the Chicago River. Originally, only enough water was pumped to answer the needs of navigation in the canal, but thereafter, in 1861, the Legislature provided for improvement in the canal by excavation and a larger flow of water from Lake Michigan.
Before 1865, the Chicago River, being a sluggish stream in its lower reaches, had become so offensive because of receiving the sewage of the rapidly growing city, that for its immediate relief the municipal authorities and the canal commissioners agreed to pump water from the river in excess of the needs of navigation. By 1872 the summit level of the canal had been lowered, and it was hoped that this would result in a permanent flow of lake water through the South Branch of the Chicago River, sufficient to keep it in good condition, but the plan failed, and the canal again became grossly polluted.
In- 1881, the Illinois Legislature passed a resolution authorizing the installation of pumps at the northern terminus of the canal, with a capacity,of not less than 1,000 cubic feet a second, to draw water from Lake Michigan through the Chicago River and the canal. Pumps were installed and pumping was begun in 1883. For a few years this afforded sufficient dilution in- the canal because of the high stage of Lake Michigan, but in 1886 the lake level began to fall, and continued to fall until 1891 when it was two feet lower than when , the pumps were installed. Their capacity was thus reduced to a little more than 600 cubic feet a second. The nuisance along the canal continued to grow. ■ The Drainage and Water Supply Commission of the State recommended, as the most economical method for meeting the requirement, a discharge into the Des Plaines River through a canal across the continental divide, providing a waterway of such dimensions as would furnish ample dilution. The Commission pointed out that the proposed canal would, from its necessary dimensions and its regular discharge, produce a magnificient waterway between Chicago and the Mississippi River, suitable for navigation of boats having as much as 2,000 tons burden, and would give also large water power of great commercial value to the State.
. The Sanitary District was organized under the Illinois Act of 1889. It was completed in 1890. It embraced an area of 185 square miles. By later acts it was increased to approximately 438 square miles, extending from the Illinois State line on the south and east to the northern boundary of Cook County on the north, with about 34 miles of frontage on Lake Michigan, embracing the metropolitan area of Chicago, consisting of a total of fifty-four cities, towns and villages.
' The main drainage canal was begun in 1892, and was opened in January, 1900. Since that time the flow of the Chicago River has been reversed — that is, it has been made to flow away from Lake Michigan toward the Mississippi. As originally constructed the canal ended in a non-navigable tail-race. There was no lock at the southwestern end. But by the Act of May 14,1903, the Illinois Legislature gave the Sanitary District 'the power to construct dams, water wheels, and other works appropriate to render available the power arising from the water passing .through the-main channel and any auxiliary channels thereafter constructed.
In 1908, the Constitution of Illinois was amended to authorize the legislature to provide for the construction of a deep waterway or canal, from the water-power plant of the Sanitary District of Chicago, at or near Lockport, to a point on the Illinois River at or near Utica, and to provide that this powei might be leased for the benefit of the State treasury. Meantime, all the sewage in the drainage district, including Evanston, was turned into the main channel, and the water directly abstracted from Lake Michigan, by the Sanitary'District was increased from 2,541 cubic feet a second in 1900 to 5,751 in 1909, to 7,228 in 1916, to 6,888 cubic feet a second in 1926, not including pumpage.
The Sanitary District authorities have expended in the construction of works for sewage' and the deep waterway canal $109,021,613 including interest on bonds.
In 1888, Congress directed the Secretary of War to make surveys for a channel improvement' in the Illinois and Des Plaines Rivers. In 1892, Congress appropriated $72,000 to complete the improvement of the harbor at Chicago, and again $25,000 in 1894. Three engineers appointed by the Secretary of War reported to him that a diversion of 10,000 cubic feet a second through the Sanitary and Ship Canal would lower the levels of the Lakes, except Lake Superior. In 1896, Congress appropriated 'money for dredging the Chicago River. The Sanitary'District in' that year asked for a permit from the Secretary of War to enlarge the cross section of the Chicago River, and announced that the work had progressed so far that this must be done to make available the artificial channel under construction from Robey Street, Chicago, to Lockport, twenty-eight miles distant. The Secretary of War granted the permit, but said that this authority was not to be. interpreted as an! approval of the plans of the Sanitary District of Chicago to introduce a current into the Chicago River;- that the United States should not be put to any expense, and that the authority was to expire by limitation in two years. Other permits relating to the same subject were issued by the same officer in 1.897, 1898, and twice in 1899. The Act of Congress of 1899 amplified the provisions of an earlier Act of 1890 looking to the regulation, prevention, and removal by Federal authority of obstructions to navigation and alteration of capacity of the navigable waters of the United States by enacting Sections 9 and 10 thereof.
Other permits were allowed by the Secretary of War— one on December 5, 1901, allowing a diversion of 250,000 cubic feet per minute throughout the full 24 hours of each day. And in another instance on January 17, 1903, a diversion of 350,000 cubic feet per minute until March 31, 1903, was permitted, in order to carry off the accumulations of sewage deposit. lining the shores along the city, with the provision that after that, the flow should be reduced to 250,000 cubic feet per' minute as required by the permit of December, 1901. The Board of Engineers] in 1905 reported to Congress that the effect upon the level of Lake Michigan of withdrawing 10,000 cubic feet per second for an indefinite period had been the subject of elaborate investigation and that the conclusion reached was that the final effect would be to lower the level of the Lake six inches.
An application for the flow of more water through the Calumet Sag Channel was declined by the Chief of Engineers, and was refused by the Secretary of War in March, 1907, and as the Sanitary District apparently intended to proceed with the work for which.a permit had been refused, the United States brought suit in 1908 to prevent its construction and prevent the increase of the flow. Another application'was refused by the Secretary of War in January, 1913, and there seems to have been another denied later.
A second bill to enjoin the Sanitary District from a diversion of more than 250,000 cubic feet per minute or its equivalent 4,167 cubic feet a second of water-from Lake Michigan was filed and was consolidated with the earlier suit, and after a long delay of six or seven years an oral opinion was given by Judge Landis of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in favor of the Government. A decree not having been entered before Judge Landis resigned, a decree was entered by Judge Carpenter in the case which was affirmed by this Court in January, 1925. Sanitary District of Chicago v. United States, 266 U. S. 405.
This Court’s decree provided that the defendant, the Sanitary District of Chicago,-its agents, and all other persons acting or claiming or assuming to act under its authority, should be enjoined from diverting or abstracting any waters from Lake Michigan over and above or in excess of 250,000' cubic feet per minute, to go into effect in sixty days, without prejudice to any permit that might be issued by the Secretary of War according to law.
Immediately after this decision, the Sanitary District applied to the Secretary of War for permission to divert 10,000 cubic feet a second-. The exigency was set out in the petition. The Secretary of War then issued a permit on March 3, 1925, which recited that the instrument did ■not give any property rights either in real estate or material, or any exclusive privileges; and that it did not authorize any injury to private property or invasion of private rights, or any infringement of Federal, State or local laws or regulations, or obviate the necessity of obtaining the State’s assent to the work authorized. It certified that upon the recommendation of the Chief of Engineers, the Secretary of War, under Section 10 of the Act of 1899-, authorized the Sanitary District to divert from Lake Michigan an amount .of water not to exceed an annual average of 8,500 cubic feet per second, the instantaneous maximum not to exceed 11,000. cubic feet per second, upon certain conditions.
.The conditions of the permit require the City of Chicago to take immediate steps to carry out sew,age treatment by artificial processes, so, that before the expiration of the permit they should provide the equivalent of 100% treatment of the sewage of 1,200,000 people, or one-third of the population of the city, and that this should be done under supervision of the U. S. District Engineer at Chicago, the permit to be revoked if the conditions were' not complied with, and the permit to cease unless renewed on December 31, 1929. In granting the.permit, the Secretary of War expressed the opinion that steps should be taken to complete the entire work of providing for disposal of all the sewage in ten years. Colonel Schultz, U. S. District Engineer at Chicago, reported that the conditions of the March 3, 1925, permit have been complied with, and the Master confirms this in his report.
In providing for the improvement of the channel of the Illinois River in the Act of January 21,1927, c. 47; 44 Stat. 10.13, Congress' declared that nothing in the Act should be construed as authority for any diversion from Lake Michigan.
The Master’s findings on the subject of injury to the complainants are in effect as follows:
The diversion which has taken place through the Chicago Drainage Canal has been substantially equivalent to a diversion of about-8,500 cubic feet a second -for ,a period of time sufficient to cause, and it has caused, the lowering of the mean levels of the Lakes and the connecting waterways, as follows: Lakes Michigan and Huron approximately 6 inches; Lakes Erie and Ontario approximately 5 inches; and of the connecting rivers, bays and harbors to the same extent respectively., A diversion of an additional 1,500 cubic feet per second, or a total diversion of 10,000 cubic feet a second would cause an additional lowering in Lakes Michigan and. Huron of about one inch, and in Lakes Erie and Ontario a little less than one inch, with a corresponding additional lowering in the connecting waterways. The Master also finds that if the diversion at Chicago were ended, • assuming that other diversions remained the same, the mean levels of the lakes and rivers affected by the Chicago drainage would be raised in the course of several years (about 5 years in the case of Lakes Michigan and Huron, and about one year in the case of Lakes Erie and Ontario) to the same extent as' they had been lowered, respectively, by that diversion.
The Master finds that the damage due to the diversion at Chicago relates to navigation and commercial interests, to structures, to the convenience of summer resorts, to fishing and hunting grounds, to public parks and other enterprises, and to riparian property generally, but does not report that injury to agriculture is established. He says that the Great Lakes and their connecting channels form a natural highway for transportation, having a water surface of over 95,000 square miles, and a shore line of 8,300 miles, extending from Duluth-Superior, and from Chicago and Gary, to Montreal/ at the head of deep-draft ocean navigation on the St. Lawrence; that there are approximately 400 harbors on the Great Lakes and connecting channels, of which about 100 have been improved by the Federal Government; that the latter improvements consist in the excavation and maintenance of channels from deep water in the lakes to the harbor entrances; that inner or local harbors are located inside of the Federal channels, and the depths in the inner harbors have been obtained and are maintained at local expense; that inner harbors are necessary to afford practical navigation; that extensive and expensive loading, unloading and. other terminal facilities have been constructed in these various ports within the territory of the complainant States, on the Great Lakes, at local expense.
The Master’s report says that the water-borne traffic on the Great Lakes for the year 1923 consisted of 81,466,-902,000 ton-miles of. water haul, and that consideration of individual loaded boats and of their respective dimensions shows that, if water had been available for an additional six inches of draft, the fleet could have handled for the year 3,346,000 tons more than was actually transported, or to put the matter in another light, the season’s business could have been done with the elimination from service of about 30 freighters of the 2,000-3,000-ton class, and that the lost tonnage of the total through business of the Lakes for 1923, incident to a 6-inch deficiency of draft, exceeded 4,000,000 tons, and that the average water-haul rate for the year was 88 cents per ton.
The great losses to which the complainant States ana their citizens and their property owners have been subjected by the reductions of levels in the various Lakes and Rivers except Lake Superior are made apparent by these figures.
The pleadings question the jurisdiction of this Court and the sufficiency of the facts set forth in the bills to constitute a cause of action. These issues, although raised, are not pressed by the defendants and we concur with the Master in his conclusion that they are met completely by our previous decisions. Missouri v. Illinois, 180 U. S. 208; s. c. 200 U. S. 496; Hans v. Louisiana, 134 U. S. 1; Sanitary District of Chicago v. United States, 266 U. S. 405; Kansas v. Colorado, 185 U. S. 125; s. c. 206 U. S. 46; New York v. New Jersey, 256 U. S. 296; Wyoming v. Colorado, 259 U. S. 419; North Dakota v. Minnesota, 263 U. S. 365; Pennsylvania v. West Virginia, 262 U. S. 553, 623; 263 U. S. 350; Georgia v. Tennessee Copper Co., 206 U. S. 230, 237.
The controversies have taken a very wide range. The exact issue is whether the State of Illinois and the Sanitary District of Chicago by diverting 8,500 cubic feet from the waters of Lake Michigan have so injured the riparian and other rights of the complainant States bordering the Great Lakes and connecting streams by lowering their levels as to justify an injunction to stop this diversion and thus restore the normal levels. Defendants assert that such a diversion is the result of Congressional action in the regulation of interstate commerce> that the injury, if any, resulting is damnum absque injuña to the complaining States. Those States reply that the regulation of interstate commerce under the Constitution does not authorize the transfer by Congress of any of the navigable capacity of the Great Lake System of Waters to the Mississippi basin, that is from one great watershed to another; second, that the transfer is contrary to the provision of the Constitution forbidding the preference of the ports of one State over those of another; and, third, that the injuries to the complainant States deprive them and their citizens and property owners of property without due process of law and of the natural advantages of their position, contrary to their sovereign rights as members of the Union. If one of these issues is decided in favor of the complaining States, it ends the case in their favor and the diversion must be enjoined. But in the view which we take respecting what actually has been done by Congress some of these objections need not be considered or passed upon.
The complainants, even apart, from their constitutional objections, contend that Congress has not by statute or otherwise authorized the Lake Michigan diversion, that it is therefore illegal and that injuries by it to the complainant States and their people should be forbidden by decree of this Court. The diversion of 8,500 cubic feet a second is now maintained under a permit of the Secretary of War of. March 3, 1925, acting under Section 10 of the Act of 1899, which it is contended by the complainants vests no such authority in him. They claim that the diversion is based on a purpose not to regulate navigation of the Lake, but merely to get rid of the sewage of Chicago, that this is a State purpose, not a Federal function, and should be enjoined to save the rights of complainants. If the view urged by the complainants is right, the necessity for the use of the 8,500 cubic feet a second to save the health of the inhabitants of the Sanitary District will then present the problem of the power and discretion of a court of equity to moderate the strict and immediate rights of the parties complainant to a gradual one which will effect justice as rapidly as the situation permits. The framing of the decree will then require the careful consideration of the Court.
The complainants contend that Congress has given no authority for the diversion from Lake Michigan, even if it has power so to do by way of regulating interstate commerce. The defendants rely for this authority on the permit of the Secretary of War issued by him March 3, 1925, to the Sanitary District shortly after the decree of this Court in the Sanitary District v. United States, 266 U. S. 405. That decree forbade the diversion of the waters from Lake Michigan in excess of 4,167 cubic feet a second, but was made expressly without prejudice to any permit issued by the Secretary of War according to law. The complainants contend that the permit which allows a diversion of 8,500 cubic feet a second is not in regulation of interstate commerce, is not according to law and should be declared invalid.
The defendants base their claim of Congressional authority on § 10 of the Act of March 3, 1899, c. 425 ; 30 Stat. 1121, 1151—
That the creation of any obstruction not affirmatively authorized by Congress, to the navigable capacity of any of the waters of the United States is hereby prohibited; and it shall not be lawful to build.or commence the building of any wharf, pier, dolphin, boom, weir, breakwater, bulkhead, jetty, or other structures in any port, roadstead, haven, harbor, canal, navigable river, or other water of the United States, outside established harbor lines, or where no. harbor lines have been established, except on plans recommended by the Chief of Engineers and authorized by the Secretary of War; and it shall not be lawful to excavate or fill, or in any manner to alter or modify the course, location, condition, or capacity of, any port, road-stead, haven, harbor, canal, lake, harbor of refuge, or inclosure within the limits of any breakwater, or of the .channel of any navigable water of the United States, unless the work has been recommended by the Chief of Engineers and authorized by the Secretary of War prior to beginning the same.”
The policy carried out in the Act of March 3, 1899, had been begun in the Act of September 19, 1890, c. 907; 26 Stat. 426,- 454, 455. Sections 9 and 10 were the rearranged result of the provisions of Sections 7 and 10 of the Act of 1890. A new classification was made in Sections 9 and 10' of the Act of 1899, and substituted for Section 10 of the Act of 1890. The latter provided that the creation of any obstruction to navigable capacity was prohibited, unless affirmatively authorized by law ” and this was changed so as to read affirmativély authorized by Congress.” The change in the words of the first clause of Section 10 was intended to make mere State authorization inadequate. Sanitary District v. United States, 266 U. S. 405, 429; United States v. Bellingham, Bay Boom Co., 176 U. S. 211. It was not intended to override the authority of. the State .to put its veto upon the placing of obstructing structures in navigable waters within a State and both State and Federal approval were made necessary in such case. Cummings v. Chicago, 188 U. S. 410. The words “ affirmatively authorized by Congress ” should be construed in the light of the administrative exigencies which prompted the delegation of authority in the succeeding clauses. Congress, having stated in Section 9 as to what particular structures its specific consent should be required, intended to leave to the-Secretary of War, acting on the recommendation of the Chief of Engineers, the determination of what should be approved and authorized in the classes of cases described in the second and third clauses of Section 10. If the section were construed to require a special' authorization by Congress , whenever in any aspect it might be considered that there was an obstruction to navigable capacity, none of the undertakings specifically provided for in the second and third clauses of Section 10 could safely be undertaken without a special authorization of Congress. We do not think this was intended. The Supreme Court of Maine in Maine Water Co. v. Knickerbocker Steam Towage Co., 99 Me. 473, took the same general view in construction of the same section. It held that the broad words of the first clause of that section were not intended to limit the second and third clauses and that Congress’s purpose was a direct prohibi-. tion of what was forbidden by them except when affirmatively approved by the Chief of Engineers and the Secretary of War. We concur in this view.
The true intent of the Act of Congress was that unreasonable obstructions to navigation and navigable capacity were to be prohibited, and in the cases described in the second and third clauses of Section 10, the Secretary of War, acting on the recommendation of the Chief of Engineers, was authorized to determine what in the particular cases constituted an unreasonable obstruction.
This construction of Section 10 is sustained by the uniform practice of the War Department for nearly thirty years. Nothing is more convincing in in terpi elation of a doubtful or ambiguous statute. United States v. Minnesota, 270 U. S. 181, 205; Swendig v. Washington Water Power Co., 265 U. S. 322, 331; Kern River Co. v. United States, 257 U. S. 147, 154; United States v. Burlington & Missouri River R. R., 98 U. S. 334, 341; United States v. Hammers, 221 U. S. 220, 228; Logan v. Davis, 233 U. S. 613, 627.
The practice is shown by the opinion of the Acting Attorney General, transmitted to the Secretary of War, 34 Op. Atty. Gen. 410, 416. The Secretary of War acted on this view on May 8, 1899, about two months after the passage of the Act. This was followed by the permits subsequently granted down to March 3, 1925. The fact that the Secretary of War acted on this view was made known to Congress by many reports.
But it is said the construction thus favored would constitute it a delegation by Congress of legislative power and invalid. We do not think so. The determination of the amount that could be safely taken from the Lake is one that is shown by the evidence to be a peculiarly expert question. It is such a question as this that is naturally within the executive function that can be deputed by Congress. Southern Pacific Co. v. Olympian Dredging Co., 260 U. S. 205, 208; Sanitary District v. United States, 266 U. S. 405, 428; Field v. Clark, 143 U. S. 649, 693; Buttfield v. Stranahan, 192 U. S. 470, 496; Union Bridge Co. v. United States, 204 U. S. 364, 386; Monongahela Bridge Co. v. United States, 216 U. S. 177, 192; Louisville Bridge Co. v. United States, 242 U. S. 409, 424; J. W. Hampton, Jr. & Co. v. United States, 276 U. S. 394, 407.
The construction of Section 10 of the Act of March. 3, 1899, was settled by this Court in the decision of the first Chicago Drainage Canal case in 266 U. S. 405, 429. The decision there reached and the decree entered can not be sustained, except on the theory that the Court decided first that Congress had exercised the power to prevent injury to the navigability of Lake Michigan and the other lakes and rivers in the Great Lakes watershed, and second that it could properly and validly confer the administrative function of passing on.the issue of unlawful injury or otherwise on the Secretary of War, and that it had done so. To give any other interpretation would necessarily be at variance with our previous decision.
It is further argued by complainants that while' the power of Congress extends to the protection and improvement of navigation, it does not extend to its destruction or to the creation of obstructions to navigable capacity. This Court has said that while Congress in the exercise of its power may adopt any means having some positive relation to the control of navigation and not otherwise inconsistent with the Constitution, United States v. Chandler-Dunbar Co., 229 U. S. 53, 62, it may not arbitrarily destroy or impair the rights of riparian owners by legislation which has no real or substantial relation to the control of navigation or appropriateness to that end. United States v. River Rouge Improvement Co., 269 U. S. 411, 419 Port of Seattle v. Oregon & Washington R. R., 255 U. S. 56, 63.
So complainants urge that the diversion here is for purposes of sanitation and development of power only, and therefore that it lies outside the power confided by Congress to the Secretary of War. The Master says:
“ There is no doubt that the diversion is primarily for the purposes of sanitation. Whatever may be said as to the service of the diverted water in relation to a waterway to the Mississippi, or as to the possible benefit of its contribution to the navigation of that river at low water stages, it remains true that the disposition of Chicago’s sewage has been the dominant factor in the promotion, maintenance and development of the enterprise by the State of Illinois and the Sanitary District. The purpose of utilizing the flow through the drainage canal to develop power is also undoubtedly present, although subordinated to the exigency of sanitation. So far as the diverted water is used for the development of power, the use is merely incidental. This Court, in Sanitary District v. United States, 266 U. S. 405, 424, in describing the channel, looked upon its interest to the Sanitary District ‘.primarily as a means to dispose of the sewage of Chicago , although it was also ‘ an object of attention to the United States as opening water communication between the Great- Lakes and the Mississippi and the Gulf.’ ”
The Master then considered whether there was any express authorization of the diversion now permitted, except under Sections 9 and 10 of the Act of March 3, 1899, already referred to. On this subject he said:
“'Consideration by Congress of the advisability of the proposed waterway from • Lake Michigan to the Illinois and Mississippi Rivers, demands by .Congress for surveys, plans and estimates, the establishment of project depths, and appropriations for specified purposes, did not in my opinion constitute direct authority for the diversion in question, however that diversion, or the diversion of some quantity of water from Lake Michigan, might fit into an ultimate plan.”
This conclusion of the Master is fully supported by reference to the already cited Rivers and Harbors Appropriation Act of 1927 declaring that nothing therein should authorize any Lake Michigan diversion.
The Master also says that appropriations for widening and deepening the Chicago River, and the cooperation with the Sanitary District for several years in that improvement, merely committed Congress to the work as thus actually prescribed, but did not go further, whatever the. advantages, of that work in connection with the purposes of the Sanitary District’s Canal.
He then proceeds:
“ There is nothing in any of the acts of Congress upon which the defendants rely specifying any particular quantity of water which could be diverted, and it could hardly be considered a reasonable contention that the acts of Congress justified any diversion of water from' Lake 'Michigan that the State of Illinois- and the Sanitary District might see fit to make. It is manifest that it was the view of the War Department that Congress had not acted directly and whatever the Department did was subject to such action as Congress might take.”
He continues:
This understanding that Congress has not yet acted directly so as to authorize the diversion in question has continued. .It was in this view that the United States prosecuted its suit to decree in this Court to enjoin the defendants from taking more water from Lake Michigan than the Secretary of War had allowed.”
In this conclusion, which the Court confirms, we are therefore remitted solely to the effect and operation of the permit of 1925 as authority for the maintenance of the diversion.
The normal power of the Secretary of War under Section 10 of the Act of March 3, 1899, is to maintain the navigable capacity of Lake Michigan and not to restrict it or destroy it by diversions. This is what the Secretaries of War and the Chiefs of Engineers were trying to do in the interval between 1896 and 1907 and 1913 -when the applications for 10,000 cubic feet a second were denied by the successive Secretaries and in 1908 a suit was brought by the United States to enjoin a flow beyond 4,167 cubic feet a second. Then pending the suit, the Sanitary District disobeyed the restriction of the Secretary of War’s permit and increased the diversion tó 8,500 cubic feet in order to dispose of the sewage of that District. Had an injunction then issued and been enforced, the Port of Chicago almost immediately would have become practically unusable because of the deposit of sewage without a sufficient flow of water through the Canal to dilute' the sewage and carry it away. In the nature of things it was not practicable to stop the deposit without substituting some other means of disposal. This situation gave rise to an exigency.which the Secretary, in the interest of navigation and its protection, met by issuing a temporary permit intended to sanction for the time being a sufficient diversion to avoid interference with navigation in the Port of Chicago. See New York v. New Jersey, 256 U. S. 296, 307, 308. The elimination and prevention of this interference was the sole justification for expanding the prior permit, -the limitations of which had been disregarded by the Sanitary District. Merely to aid the District in disposing of its sewage was not a justification, considering the limited scope of the Secretary’s authority. He could not make mere local sanitation a basis for a continuing diversion. Accordingly he made the permit of March 3, 1925, both temporary and conditional — temporary in that it was limited in duration and revocable at will, and conditional in that it was made to depend on the adoption and carrying out by the District of other plans for disposing of the sewage.
It will be perceived that the interference which was the basis of. the Secretary’s permit, and which the latter was intended to eliminate, resulted directly from the failure of the Sanitary District to take care of its sewage in some way other than by promoting or continuing the existing diversion. It may be that some flow from the Lake is necessary to keep up navigation in the Chicago River, which really is part of the Port of Chicago, but that amount is negligible as compared with 8,500 second feet now being diverted. Hence, beyond that negligible quantity, the validity of the Secretary’s permit derives its support entirely from a situation produced by the Sanitary District in violation of the complainants’ rights; and but for that support complainants might properly press for an immediate shutting down by injunction of the diversion, save any small part needed to maintain navigation in the river. In these circumstances we think they are entitled to a decree which will be effective in bringing that violation and the unwarranted part of the diversion to an end. But in keeping with the principles on, t which courts of equity condition their relief, and by way of avoiding any unnecessary hazard to the health of the people of that section, our decree- should be so framed as to accord to the Sanitary District a reasonably practicable time within which to provide some other means of disposing of the sewage, reducing the diversion as the artificial disposition of the sewage increases from time to time, until it is entirely disposed of thereby, when there shall be a final, permanent operative and effective injunction.
It is very apparent from the report of the Master and from the state legislation that the Legislature of Illinois and the Sanitary District have for a long period been strongly insistent upon such a use of the waters of Lake Michigan as would dispose of the sewage of the District and incidentally furnish a navigable water route from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi basin; and that not until 1903 was the attention of the public, and especially of the District authorities, drawn to the fact that a diversion like that now used would lower the Lake levels with injurious consequences to the Great Lakes navigation and to the complainant States. The Secretary of War and the Chief of Engineers in 1907 refused a permit by which there would be more than 4,167 feet a second diverted. Advised that the District authorities proposed to ignore that limitation, the United States - brought suit against the authorities of the District to enjoin any diversion in excess of that quantity, as fixed in an earlier permit. Another application for enlargement was made to Secretary of War Stimson in 1913 and was rejected. For several years, including the inexcusable delays made possible by the failure of the Federal Court in Chicago to render á decision in the suit brought by the United States, the District authorities have been maintaining the diversion of 8,500 cubic feet per second or more on the plea of preserving • the health of the District. Putting this plea forward has tended materially to hamper and obstruct the remedy to which the complainants are entitled in vindication of their rights, riparian and other.
The intervening States on the same side with Illinois, in seeking a recognition of asserted rights in the navigation of the Mississippi, have answered denying the rights of the complainants to an injunction. They really seek affirmatively to preserve the diversion from Lake Michigan in the interest of such navigation and interstate commerce though they have made no express prayer therefor. In our view of the permit of March 3, 1925, and in the absence of direct authority from Congress for a waterway from Lake Michigan to the Mississippi, they show no rightful interest in the maintenance of the diversion. Their motions to dismiss the bills are overruled and so far as their answer may suggest affirmative relief, it is denied.
In increasing the diversion from 4,167 cubic feet a second to 8,500, the Sanitary District defied the authority of ■the National Government resting in the Secretary of War. And in so far as the prior diversion was not for the purposes of maintaining navigation in the Chicago River it was without any legal basis, because made for an inadmissible purpose. It therefore is the duty of this Court by an appropriate decree to compel the reduction of the diversion to a point where it rests on a legal basis and thus to restore the navigable capacity of Lake Michigan to its proper level. The Sanitary District authorities, relying on the argument with reference to the health of its people, have much too long delayed the needed substitution of suitable sewage plants as a means of avoiding the diversion in the future. Therefore they can not now complain if an immediately heavy burden is placed upon the District because of their attitude and course. The situation requires the District to devise proper methods for providing sufficient money and to construct and put in operation with all reasonable expedition adequate plants for the disposition of the sewage through other means than the Lake diversion.
Though the restoration of just rights to the complainants will be gradual instead of immediate it must be continuous and as speedy as practicable, and must include everything that is essential to .an effective project.
The Court expresses its obligation to the Master for his useful, fair, and comprehensive report.
To determine the practical measures needed to effect the object just stated and the period required for their completion there will be need for the examination of experts; and the appropriate provisions of the necessary decree will require careful consideration. For this reason, the case will be again referred to the Master for a further examination into the questions indicated. He will be authorized and directed to hear witnesses presented by each of the parties, and to call witnesses of his own selection, should he deem it necessary to do so, .and then with all conven-' ient speed to make report of his conclusions and Of a form of decree.
It is so ordered. | CASELAW |
Scalopini
The Scalopini are a tribe of moles belonging to the family Talpidae. They include all the New World moles apart from the strikingly distinctive star-nosed mole. As the similarity of the names implies, they are the standard form of the Scalopinae, the North American or New World moles, and can be found virtually anywhere north of Northern Mexico and south of Northern Canada where environmental factors (chiefly the presence of soil) permit.
Although the morphological differences between the Scalopini and the Old World moles are not very apparent to non-experts, they were significant enough for the Gansu mole of China to be taken out of that group and added to the Scalopini in 1938, and in 2021 the Medog mole was also described from China. How New World moles came to live in China was long a mystery, but analyses indicate that the Scalopini originated in Eurasia during the Oligocene and later migrated to North America during the Neogene and diversified there. However, the Gansu and Medog moles are not descendants of the original Old World Scalopini, but rather of New World Scalopini that migrated back to Eurasia; the hairy-tailed mole of North America is more closely related to them than it is to other North American moles. The Scalopini are thought to have migrated from North America back to Eurasia at least two different times. This has prompted scientists to occasionally hesitate to continue calling the Scalopini "New World moles" without some caveat to acknowledge this fact. As a result, the Scalopini are sometimes called "New World moles and relatives".
There are five genera in the Scalopini:
* Alpiscaptulus, the Medog mole of Tibet
* Parascalops, the hairy-tailed mole of northeastern North America
* Scalopus, the common and widely distributed eastern mole
* Scapanulus, the Gansu mole of north-central China
* Scapanus, five species of moles found west of the Rocky Mountains
In addition, these fossil genera are also known:
* †Domninoides
* †Leptoscaptor
* †Mioscalops
* †Proscapanus
* †Scapanoscapter
* †Yanshuella
* †Yuroscaptor
Some evidence supports dividing the extant members of this genus into two subtribes: Scalopina (containing Scalopus and Scapanus) and Parascalopina (containing Alpiscaptulus, Parascalops, and Scapanulus). The extinct Proscapanus likely represents a basal member falling outside both tribes, Scapanoscapter could belong in the Scalopina, and the other fossil genera, while of uncertain placement, could potentially belong in the Parascalopina. | WIKI |
Class: Chef::Resource::File::Verification::SystemdUnit
Inherits:
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Includes:
Mixin::Which
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Overview
Systemd provides a binary for verifying the correctness of unit files. Unfortunately some units have constraints on the filename meaning that normal verification against temp files won’t work.
Working around that requires placing a copy of the temp file in a temp directory, under its real name and running the verification tool against that file.
Instance Attribute Summary
Attributes inherited from Chef::Resource::File::Verification
#output
Instance Method Summary collapse
Methods inherited from Chef::Resource::File::Verification
#logger, lookup, provides, provides?, #to_s, #verify_block, #verify_command, #verify_registered_verification
Methods included from Mixin::DescendantsTracker
#descendants, descendants, #direct_descendants, direct_descendants, #find_descendants_by_name, find_descendants_by_name, #inherited, store_inherited
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#initialize(parent_resource, command, opts, &block) ⇒ SystemdUnit
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def initialize(parent_resource, command, opts, &block)
super
@command = systemd_analyze_cmd
end
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def systemd_analyze_cmd
@systemd_analyze_cmd ||= "#{systemd_analyze_path} verify %{path}"
end
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def systemd_analyze_path
@systemd_analyze_path ||= which("systemd-analyze")
end
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# File 'lib/chef/resource/file/verification/systemd_unit.rb', line 47
def verify(path, opts = {})
return true unless systemd_analyze_path
Dir.mktmpdir("chef-systemd-unit") do |dir|
temp = "#{dir}/#{::File.basename(@parent_resource.path)}"
::FileUtils.cp(path, temp)
verify_command(temp, opts)
end
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I have one more performance enhancement I want to do. If you click download, it works great! But if these files were bigger, you'd start to notice that the downloads would be kinda slow! Open up ArticleReferenceAdminController and search for download. Remember: we're reading a stream from S3 and sending that directly to the user. That's cool... but it also means that there's a middleman in the process: our server! That slows things down. Couldn't we somehow give the user direct access to the file on S3?
Go back to our bucket, head to its root directory, then click into article_reference. If you click any of these files, each does have a URL. But if you try to go to it, it's not public. That's great because these files are meant to be private... but it sorta ruins our idea of pointing users directly to this URL.
Well, good news! We can have our cake and eat it too... as we say... for some reason in English. Um, we can have the best of both worlds with... signed URLs.
Hello Signed URLs
Signed URLs are not something that we can create with Flysystem - it's specific to S3. So, instead of using our Filesystem object, we'll deal with S3 directly, which turns out to be pretty awesome!
Google for "S3 PHP client signed url" to find their docs about this. Signed URLs let us say:
Hey S3! I want to create a public URL to download this file... but I only want the link to be valid for, like, 20 minutes.
Cool, right! Because the link is temporary, it's ok to let users use it.
We'll do this by interacting with the S3Client object directly... which is super awesome because, a few minutes ago, we registered an S3Client service so we could use it with Flysystem. Half our job is already done!
The other thing we'll need is the bucket name.
Creating the Signed URL
Head back to downloadArticleReference(). Remove the UploaderHelper argument - we won't need that anymore - and add S3Client $s3client. Also add string $s3BucketName.
// ... lines 1 - 7
use Aws\S3\S3Client;
// ... lines 9 - 21
class ArticleReferenceAdminController extends BaseController
{
// ... lines 24 - 127
public function downloadArticleReference(ArticleReference $reference, S3Client $s3Client, string $s3BucketName)
{
// ... lines 130 - 139
}
// ... lines 141 - 192
}
That won't autowire, so copy the argument name, open up services.yaml and add a bind for this $s3BucketName:. For the value, copy the environment variable bucket syntax from before and... paste.
61 lines | config/services.yaml
// ... lines 1 - 10
services:
// ... line 12
_defaults:
// ... lines 14 - 20
bind:
// ... lines 22 - 25
$s3BucketName: '%env(AWS_S3_BUCKET_NAME)%'
// ... lines 27 - 61
Cool! Back in the controller, copy the $disposition line - we're going to put this back in a minute. Then, delete everything after the security check, paste the $disposition line, but comment it out for now.
Ok, let's go steal some code from the docs! We already have the S3Client object, so just grab the rest. Paste that then... let's see... replace my-bucket with the $s3BucketName variable. For Key, that's the file path: $reference->getFilePath(). And, for $request = $s3Client->createPresignedRequest(), you can use whatever lifetime you want. These files are pretty small, so we don't need too much time - but let's make the URLs live for 30 minutes.
// ... lines 1 - 7
use Aws\S3\S3Client;
// ... lines 9 - 21
class ArticleReferenceAdminController extends BaseController
{
// ... lines 24 - 127
public function downloadArticleReference(ArticleReference $reference, S3Client $s3Client, string $s3BucketName)
{
$article = $reference->getArticle();
$this->denyAccessUnlessGranted('MANAGE', $article);
$command = $s3Client->getCommand('GetObject', [
'Bucket' => $s3BucketName,
'Key' => $reference->getFilePath()
]);
$request = $s3Client->createPresignedRequest($command, '+30 minutes');
// ... lines 138 - 139
}
// ... lines 141 - 192
}
Now that we have this "request" thing... how can we get the URL? Back on their docs, scroll down... here it is: $request->getUri().
When the user hits our endpoint, what we want to do is redirect them to the URL. Do that with return new RedirectResponse(), (string) - they mentioned that in the docs, it turns the URI into a string - then $request->getUri().
// ... lines 1 - 12
use Symfony\Component\HttpFoundation\RedirectResponse;
// ... lines 14 - 21
class ArticleReferenceAdminController extends BaseController
{
// ... lines 24 - 127
public function downloadArticleReference(ArticleReference $reference, S3Client $s3Client, string $s3BucketName)
{
$article = $reference->getArticle();
$this->denyAccessUnlessGranted('MANAGE', $article);
$command = $s3Client->getCommand('GetObject', [
'Bucket' => $s3BucketName,
'Key' => $reference->getFilePath()
]);
$request = $s3Client->createPresignedRequest($command, '+30 minutes');
return new RedirectResponse((string) $request->getUri());
}
// ... lines 141 - 192
}
Let's try it! Refresh! And... download! Ha! It works! We're loading this directly from S3. This long URL contains a signature that proves to S3 that the request was pre-authenticated and should last for 30 minutes.
Forcing S3 Response Headers
But we did lose one thing: our Content-Disposition header! This gave us two nice things: it forced the user to download the file instead of loading it "inline", and it controlled the download filename.
Hmm, this is tricky. Now that the user is no longer downloading the file directly from us, we don't really have a way to set custom headers on the response. Well, actually, that's a big ol' lie! There are two ways to do that. First, you can set custom headers on each object in S3. Or you can hint to S3 that you want it to set custom headers on your behalf when the user goes to the signed URL.
How? Add another option to getCommand(): ResponseContentType set to $reference->getMimeType(). That'll hint to S3 that we want it to set a Content-Type header on the download response.
// ... lines 1 - 21
class ArticleReferenceAdminController extends BaseController
{
// ... lines 24 - 127
public function downloadArticleReference(ArticleReference $reference, S3Client $s3Client, string $s3BucketName)
{
// ... lines 130 - 137
$command = $s3Client->getCommand('GetObject', [
'Bucket' => $s3BucketName,
'Key' => $reference->getFilePath(),
'ResponseContentType' => $reference->getMimeType(),
// ... line 142
]);
// ... lines 144 - 146
}
// ... lines 148 - 201
And ResponseContentDisposition. Move the $disposition code up above, then use that value down here.
// ... lines 1 - 21
class ArticleReferenceAdminController extends BaseController
{
// ... lines 24 - 127
public function downloadArticleReference(ArticleReference $reference, S3Client $s3Client, string $s3BucketName)
{
// ... lines 130 - 132
$disposition = HeaderUtils::makeDisposition(
ResponseHeaderBag::DISPOSITION_ATTACHMENT,
$reference->getOriginalFilename()
);
$command = $s3Client->getCommand('GetObject', [
'Bucket' => $s3BucketName,
'Key' => $reference->getFilePath(),
'ResponseContentType' => $reference->getMimeType(),
'ResponseContentDisposition' => $disposition,
]);
// ... lines 144 - 146
}
// ... lines 148 - 201
Cool, right? Go download the file one more time. Ha! It downloads and uses the original filename. This is probably the best way to allow users to download private files. Oh, and if you need even faster downloads... cause S3 isn't that fast for large files, you can do the same thing with Cloudfront. Cloudfront is another service that gives users faster access to S3 files, and has a similar process for creating signed URLs.
Ok friends, only one thing left, and it's a fun one! Let's talk about how our file upload endpoint might look different if we were building a pure API. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
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Like most other parts of your body, your eyelids can get infected, inflamed, or even develop cancer. There are also specific eyelid problems, including
• Eyelids that turn in or out
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• Abnormal blinking or twitching
Treatment of eyelid problems depends on the cause.
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280 280 SPANISH ARCHITECTUIIE. Part II. It is possible that some larger and more imj^ortant churches than those we now find were erected during this period in this style ; but if so they have perished. One of the largest at Toledo, San Bartolomeo, has an apse (Woodcut No. 723), little more than 30 ft. across overall^ and others, such as Santa P^e, Santa Leocadia, San Eugenio, or Santa Isabel, are all smaller, St. Ursula alone being of about the same dimensions with St. Bartolomeo. The decor- ation of the apse of the latter will afford a fair idea of the style of detail adopted in these churches. For brick architecture it is singularly appropriate. It admits of more or less light, as may be required. It is crowned by a cornice of pleasing- profile, and the whole is simpler and better than the many -but- tressed and pinnacled apses of the Gothic architects. A more picturesque example, though not so pure as that last quoted, is found in the little chapel of Huma- nejos in Estremadura (Woodcut No. 724). As will be observed from the woodcut, there is some 13th-century tra- cery in its windows, thus revealing its date as well as betraying its origin, and but for Avhich it might almost be mistaken for an example of pure Saracenic architecture. This is even more the case in a beautiful chapel in the monastery of the Huelgas, near Burgos, which, were it not for some Gothic foliage of the 14th century, introduced where it can hardly be observed, might easily pass for a fragment of the Alhambra. The same is true of many parts of the churches at Seville. That of La Feria, for instance, and the apse of the church of the Dominicans at Calatayud, are purely 725. Tower at Ilescas (From Villa Amil.) | WIKI |
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MAX published by Paccius in 1517 at Rome; and the Greek text by H. Stephanus at Paris, 1557. Heinsius' edition, with a new Latin version and notes, was a great advance upon the preceding. It first appeared in 1607 at Leyden. Davis' second edition was published after his death by Markland in 1740, and reprinted by Reiske, with corrections and additional notes, Leipsic, 2 vols., 1774-75. Maximus Tyrius was addicted to Platonism. He is a very loose writer, and must have been hasty and careless, else he would not have fallen into so many errors. Why Markland should praise his acuteness, ability, and learning it is not easy to see; for his style of writing is far beneath the subjects treated of. It is an improbable conjecture of Markland's that Maximus published two editions of his work, in the second of which he corrected the errors in argument of the first, but left uncorrected the historical mistakes.—S. D. MAXWELL,, a popular novelist, was born in 1795, the only son of a merchant at Newry in Ireland. He entered Trinity college, Dublin, before he was fifteen. His desire for a military life was opposed by his family, and he spent several years in idleness and amusement. At length, in deference to relatives from whom he had expectations, he entered holy orders, and in 1820 he was collated to the rectory and prebend of Ballagh in Connaught, where he found plenty of shooting. His first story, "O'Hara," written after the disappointment of his expectations, was not successful; but for the next work, "The Stories of Waterloo," he was paid £100 a volume. His publications are very numerous. He was a frequent contributor to Bentley's Miscellany and to the Dublin University Magazine. He died in distress on the 29th December, 1850.—R. H. MAY,, the historian and poet, was born in 1595 of an ancient family in Sussex. He studied at Cambridge, and afterwards adopted the law as his profession, and became a member of Gray's inn. Turning his attention to literature, he produced several plays, some of which were acted before the court, and are said to have received the approbation of Charles I. He also translated Virgil's Georgics into English verse, and in 1629 he brought out a version of some epigrams of Martial. He rendered into English verse the Pharsalia of Lucan, with a metrical supplement of his own in seven books, continuing the subject to the death of Julius Cæsar. He also executed a Latin version of his own supplement to Lucan, which has been highly praised by Mr. Hallam. In the civil war May took part with the commons, and was appointed secretary to parliament—an office which gave him excellent opportunities for acquiring information, which he has embodied in his valuable "History of the Parliament," the work by which he is now best remembered. It contains much valuable matter, conveyed in a plain, terse, and vigorous style, and is considered one of the best contemporary histories on the popular side of the question. To all appearance it is written with great impartiality. It was first published in Latin in 1647. The English version of it, also by May himself, appeared in 1650. Unhappily the history contains only a period of less than three years, viz., from the first meeting of the Long parliament in November, 1640, to September, 1643. A brief history of the civil war down to the execution of the king, written by May, was published in 1650. It is entitled a "Breviary of the History of the Parliament of England," and is not a continuation of the previous history, but a distinct work. The dramatic works of May, of which three tragedies and two comedies are mentioned, are now lost, as well as most of his other poems. He died in November, 1650. He was a man of moderate views, and seems to have strongly disapproved the excesses of parliament during his later years.—G. MAYCOCK,, a British botanist and medical man, died at Barbadoes in 1840. As a doctor of medicine he practised for many years in that island, and he published a flora of Barbadoes. He notices the indigenous and introduced plants, and calls attention to their economical uses. He describes the aloe vulgaris as the source of Barbadoes aloes.—J. H. B. MAYENNE,, Duke of, one of the leading personages in the wars of the French league, was born on the 20th March, 1554, being the second son of Francis of Lorraine, duke of Guise. At the age of fifteen he accompanied his brother, the duke of Guise and the head of the catholic party, to war against the Huguenots under Coligny. In 1571 he engaged in the service of Venice, and joined the fleet under Don John of Austria. Two years later he was in Poland with the duke of Anjou, who had been elected king of that country, and welcomed him back to France, when called to reign there as Henry III. When in 1588 the king basely sought to free himself from the domination of a powerful family by causing the duke of Guise to be assassinated, the leadership of the catholic party and the league fell to Mayenne. He made himself master of Paris in February, 1589, where he was besieged by the king, and by his heir, the king of Navarre. Henry III. was assassinated the night before the intended assault, and Henry IV. raised the siege. In the confusion which ensued as to the succession to the throne, Mayenne might have seized the supreme power; but however able he might be for ordinary undertakings in peaceful times, he was not made of the stern stuff which fits men to lead revolutions. He was a sincere catholic, and therefore an ally of Spain; but he was too patriotic to go to great extremities with his opponents, and thereby leave France at the mercy of the Spaniards. He did not entirely break with the Spanish party till 1596, when a treaty was signed, by which the league was dissolved and the civil war ended. He was received kindly by the king, and remained faithful to him and to his widow, the regent. He died at Soissons, 3rd October, 1611.—R. H. MAYER,, a celebrated German sculptor was born at Ludwigsburg in 1776. He studied in the Munich academy, and afterwards at Rome under Thorwaldsen. On his return to Munich he was elected into the Academy, and afterwards nominated professor of sculpture. He was greatly esteemed in Munich, and found constant employment in executing the sculptural decorations of the royal palace, the glyptothek, the library, and other of the many new churches and public buildings in that city. He died January 22, 1844.—J. T—e. MAYER,, a celebrated musician, was born at Mendorf in Bavaria, June 14, 1763. At an early age he was sent to Bergamo in Italy, to study music under Carlo Lanzi. He afterwards went to Venice and completed his education under Bertoni. In 1791 he composed his oratorio, "Jacob and Laban," for the conservatory of Venice. It was so well received that he followed it by the composition of four others, viz:—"David," "Tobias," "Sisira," and "Jephtha's Vow." He afterwards turned his attention to dramatic music, and produced at Venice in 1794 his first opera of "Saffo." In 1799 he produced "Il fanatico per la Musica," and in 1800 appeared his "Lodoviska." The latter, together with "I Misteri Elusini," both written in the German style, paved the way for the reception of Mozart's operas in Italy. In 1803 he brought out at Venice "L'Equivoci," and in the same year he produced his "Ginevra in Scozia." In 1812 "La Rosa bianca e la Rosa rossa," on the subject of the wars between the houses of York and Lancaster, was brought forth with vast success in Italy; but when introduced at the opera house in London some years later, it failed entirely. The pen of Mayer was very active. He has produced altogether more than fifty operas, usually giving from two to three a year, and always with more or less success. The greater part of these works were produced at Venice, and the critics have remarked that though some of them were produced at very short intervals one from the other, they are all marked by a distinctive character, and display a surprising variety of original matter. For instance, two of his compositions of the most opposite character were produced in the same season, the "Medea" and the "Elisa"—the latter remarkable for the grave and gentle pathos that breathes throughout, and the former for its display of the grander and more terrible passions. Mayer's greatest work undoubtedly is his "Medea," which was produced in London in 1826 by Madame Pasta, who gave an effect to it which carried it triumphantly through more than one season. Mayer resided for many years at Bergamo, where he held the situation of maestro di capella, to which he was appointed in 1802, esteemed by all who knew him, and admired not less for his talents than for the rare modesty by which they were accompanied. He died about 1840, but the exact date we have been unable to ascertain.—E. F. R. MAYER,, one of the greatest of modern astronomers, was born at Marbach in Würtemberg, on the 17th of February, 1723, and died at Göttingen on the 20th of February, 1762. He was the son of a skilful hydraulic engineer, who carefully cultivated his mathematical talents. In 1750 he published a remarkable memoir on the libration of the moon, which is considered to contain the first example of the use of "equations of condition", to determine the most probable result of a number of observations—one of the most important improvements in practical astronomy. In 1751 he was appointed to the charge of <section end="392Zcontin" /> | WIKI |
Huntington’s Disease
huntington-disease
Huntington’s disease, also known as Huntington’s chorea, is a progressive degenerative disease of the central nervous system that is caused by an inherited gene on chromosome 4. Huntington’s disease is inherited in an autosomal dominant fashion, which means that if you have one copy of the defective gene on chromosome 4, then you will have the disease. If a parent has Huntington’s disease, each of their children have a 50 percent chance of having the disease. The genetic defect is caused by an abnormally large number of repeats of a specific sequence, CAG, in the DNA. Through the generations, the number of repeats can actually get larger, resulting in younger and younger ages of onset of Huntington’s disease.
Most cases of Huntington’s disease are considered adult-onset, with the onset of symptoms between 30 and 50, but in rare cases, symptoms may appear during the early 20′s. There is no cure for Huntington’s disease; the defective gene is present in all of the cells of a person’s body. In families with Huntington’s disease, genetic testing can determine your likelihood of developing the disease and passing the gene on to children.
Huntington’s disease causes problems with motor skills and cognition. The symptoms of Huntington’s disease can appear in a different order in different people with the disease, but the symptoms always worsen over time. The involuntary movements associated with Huntington’s disease are the reason the condition is sometimes called Huntington’s chorea. The movements are abnormal and jerky or writhing. Muscle rigidity, loss of fine motor skills, balance problems, problems with speech and swallowing, and abnormal eye movements are also characteristic of the disease.
Cognitive impairments associated with Huntington’s disease include spatial perception problems, difficulty with organization, lack of impulse control, difficulty focusing, difficulty processing thoughts, learning impairments, lack of self-awareness and lack of flexibility. Huntington’s disease can also cause clinical depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder and bipolar disorder.
In the case of juvenile Huntington’s disease, the first symptoms are usually muscle rigidity and tremor, learning problems and slow movements.
Medications such as dopamine blockers may be used to help with involuntary movements associated with Huntington’s disease. Medications such as antidepressants may also be helpful for mood disorders caused by Huntington’s disease. Physical therapy, speech therapy and occupational therapy are also helpful in treating and dealing with the symptoms of Huntington’s. After the onset of symptoms, people with Huntington’s disease live about 15 to 20 years on average.
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Hipólito Peña Concepción (born January 30, 1964) is a former professional baseball pitcher. He pitched parts of three seasons in Major League Baseball, from 1986 until 1988, for the Pittsburgh Pirates and New York Yankees.
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He was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers in 1981, and began his professional career in Butte that same year. In 1982, he was brought up to Pikeville. In 1983, he split time between Aguascalien and Beloit, and after the season was traded to the Pittsburgh Pirates, where he started with the Bradenton Pirates. In 1985, he split time between Miami and Prince William. In 1986, he started out in Nashua where he made his debut on September 1. In 1987, he sent back down to minors to play for Vancouver. Then after a good start in Vancouver, he was brought up to the Pittsburgh Pirates again. On March 30, 1988, he was traded to the New York Yankees for Orestes Destrade. | WIKI |
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08:12, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Amitunbind
Hello, Can you please suggest me what should i remove from my article? Amitunbind (talk) 08:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Amitunbind: I've requested for the lot of it to be removed. Please do not try to use Wikipedia for advertising. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
08:16, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Ephrem-IRB
Because the article I submitted was not accepted. I would like some one to review the article I submitted. Ephrem-IRB (talk) 08:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Ephrem-IRB: your draft (not yet article) has been reviewed, and declined. We're not interested in what the organisation has to say about itself. We want to know what other, entirely unconnected sources have said about it.
* Also, you need to disclose your status as a paid editor. I've posted instructions on your talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Thank you for the comments. I don't want to be paid anything. I just wanted to give information about a regional organization in the Eastern Africa. Kindly advise. Ephrem-IRB (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Ephrem-IRB: I'm saying you are being paid, because of your employment at this organisation, and our terms & conditions of use require you to formally disclose this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Yes that is correct I am an employee of the organization that I wanted to give information. Where can I disclose that please. Thank you. Ephrem-IRB (talk) 08:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* You have been provided with instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I did not get it clearly. Where can I correct those things? Ephrem-IRB (talk) 08:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* What do you mean "did not get it clearly". Can you not find the message on your talk page, or do you not understand it? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Write a statement on your user page, User:Ephrem-IRB, in which you say something to the effect of "Per the Terms of Use, I declare that I am an employee of the Independent Regulatory Board of the Eastern Africa Power Pool". 331dot (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Because the article is rejected. Ephrem-IRB (talk) 08:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Please do not create a new section for new posts, please use this existing section. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* You seem to have a common misunderstanding about Wikipedia and what we do here. Wikipedia is not a place for an organization to tell the world about itself and what it does. An article about an organization must primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. "Significant coverage" is that which goes beyond merely telling of the activities of the organization or basic informaton(like staff) and goes into detail about what the sources sees as important/significant/influential about the topic- what makes it notable. Press releases, brief mentions, announcements of routine activities, staff interviews, and the like do not establish notability. Please read Your First Article. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, it's even harder with a conflict of interest. You must set aside everything you know about your organization and all materials it puts out, and only write based on the content of independent sources. Most people in your position have great difficulty doing that. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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I was notified that "I can now create articles myself without posting a request". I have created and moved this page Sielmat. Yet I am not sure if it is the same as publishing an article for creation since I cannot find this article in Google Search. Do inform me in this regard.
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* Is there any such way to submit a "request for approval" to this new page patrol? Thanks. Puia 98 (talk) 10:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Puia 98: new pages get added automatically into the pool for reviewing, there is nothing you need to (or indeed can) do to request this. There is currently a large backlog of over 14,000 articles awaiting review, so this could take a while. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
11:39, 22 April 2024 review of submission by A smart kitten
I came across this draft from the talk page of the IP editor that submitted it. It was declined by as failing WP:DISAMBIG; however, it seems to be a valid disambiguation page from what I can see, and the entries seem to meet MOS:DABENTRY. Posting here to request a second set of eyes. All the best, ‍—‍ a smart kitten [ meow ] 11:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Mainly because the article doesn’t disambiguate to any other Wikipedia articles, just to a series of unrelated things. Dan arndt (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Request your assistance in approval of this profile page. Pep.maps2020 (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* This is a page that has no meaning and literally resembles a fan page. As per, Wikipedia is not a soapbox or promotional website. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hello I am trying to publish the article "Polycentric Approach to the Management of Urban Waters . However it does not seem to work. Could you please help me further with that? Thanks a lot in advance. MarGiann (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @MarGiann: this draft was declined for being non-encyclopaedic, both in structure and content. As such, it would require a fairly comprehensive rewrite.
* Also worth noting that it was declined nearly six months ago, and is very soon eligible for speedy deletion as an abandoned draft. So if you do plan to continue editing it, you should do so sooner rather than later. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Hello, thank you for the fast response. I have considerably edited the document and I wanted to resubmit. However, I get to receive this message.
* "No stashed content found for<PHONE_NUMBER>/bad43be9-91aa-11ee-b2d6-4cd98fa9ea25"
* I think it is a technincal issue but I am not sure what exactly is the problem. MarGiann (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @MarGiann: yes, it is a technical issue, and as such outside the scope of this help desk, but AFAIK it has to do with the browser losing the local stash (temporary content store) where the edits you make reside until they are committed by publishing the draft. This happens if the browser is left open for a long time or something goes wrong with your system. Some browsers apparently are better at recovering such data, but you getting that error message suggests it may be lost for good. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
15:53, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Arinc9
This draft that I have submitted is not an attempt to be humorous, nor is it a hoax. We have collectively decided on RIPE NCC's SEE 12 event that creating this page would be helpful in addressing the misinformation for anyone accessing the internet. At least Vesna Manojlovic from RIPE NCC, Daniele Bovio from the European Academic & Research Network (EARN), and François Flückiger from CERN have endorsed this action.
I am submitting this while at the Divani Caravel Hotel. You can prove that by running whois on the IP address that I use to submit this. The SEE 12 event is being hosted in this hotel. Arinc9 (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Only one of your sources mention him? Theroadislong (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I am putting my reply here as well:
* No, all of the sources documented here mention this person. You can refer to World Wide Web to confirm that this Sir Sam Walker person does not exist in the context of the creating of the World Wide Web. Arinc9 (talk) 16:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Arinc9: so you're submitting a draft with four sources each saying Walker is one of the creators of WWW, to prove that isn't the case? So far the evidence only seems to show that is the case!
* Besides, four passing mentions (which is what they are) would not make him notable enough to justify an article.
* If you want to create an article on (what I think is) your intended topic, you would need to first show that there are numerous sources incorrectly claiming something (which is what you've done, sort of), then cite reliable evidence refuting this, and then show that this misinformation (disinformation?) is being widely enough discussed in multiple secondary sources that are independent and reliable to warrant an encyclopaedia article on it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* You appear to be trying RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, which is not what Wikipedia is for.
* If you can find several sources discussing whether Walker exists or not, then there may be an article possible. But if you can find only mentions of him then he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and there cannot be an article about him. (Note that this is quite independent of whether he exists or not: Wikipedia has articles on many notable but non-existent subjects, such as unicorns, N-rays and the luminiferous aether.)
* Furthermore, even if he is notable, then your assertion that he does not exist appears to be original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia articles. ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
16:37, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Rincemermaid
How do I write these sentences in a neutral tone: The For Incredible Dogs On Screen Awards, or FIDOS, is a UK film awards event created by Toby Rose. It celebrates performances by dogs as well as recognize canine talents in films. It's the sister award to the Palm Dog awards, which was also created by Toby Rose in 2001 and held at the Cannes Film Festival in Cannes, France. Both events were inspired by Rose's late Fox Terrier, Mutt. Founded by cinema journalist Toby Rose in 2007, the first annual Fidos Awards presentation was held as a part of The Times London Film Festival at the BFI on the South Bank on October 28, 2007. The event is now held in March. Rincemermaid (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Rincemermaid: words like "celebrates", "inspired", and to a slightly lesser extent "talents" are quite peacocky or marketing blurb-y. Replace them with the most boring, dry synonyms you can think of. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Here is the edit for the first sentence: The FIDOS, or For Incredible Dogs On Screen Awards, is a film awards ceremony in the UK founded by Toby Rose. It honors dogs' performances and acknowledges their skills in movies. The Palm Dog awards, a related event created by Rose in 2001, takes place at the Cannes Film Festival in France and is considered the sister award to the FIDOS. These awards were created in honor of Rose's late Fox Terrier, Mutt. Rincemermaid (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
16:49, 22 April 2024 review of submission by NMDP
Hello--I have made changes that the previous reviewer suggested, but I also want to leave a message for the next prospective reviewer showing how the subject of this article meets the requirements of notability of composers and lyricists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) This subject meets criteria #1 and #2, but I think the reviewers have been missing this. Where would I leave such a comment after I resubmit the article? Thanks! NMDP (talk) 16:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Hi @NMDP: you can leave comments on the draft talk page; I will add a note highlighting this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Thanks VM. NMDP (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Thanks very much. NMDP (talk) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Given you have 53 sources it may very well be a case of the chaff choking out the wheat. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
* We don't cite Discogs (no editorial oversight). Discogs, like Wikipedia, is entirely user-generated content.
* https://www.berkshireeagle.com/arts_and_culture/berkshirelandscapes/spencertown-academy-roots-and-shoots-concert-rachelle-garniez-erik-della-penna/article_04f0a51c-d7d7-11ed-841d-27eb9e4fbcd3.html seems okay.
* I can't assess https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/theater/dead-outlaw-audible.html (walled). https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/10/theater/dead-outlaw-review.html likewise is walled to me.
* https://www.aol.com/musical-dead-outlaw-oklahoma-robber-142236491.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Barely discusses Della Penna, being mainly about the stageplay.
* https://playbill.com/article/wet-brain-leads-2024-lucille-lortel-award-nominations-read-the-complete-list is useless for notability (too sparse). Merely being nominated for an award confers no special boon to notability; they have to win it.
* https://www.theatermania.com/news/2024-drama-league-award-nominations-announced_1737887/ is a non-sequitur and even if it weren't it has the exact same issues as the Playbill source.
* https://americansongwriter.com/the-antique-garde-songwriters-of-new-york-city/ looks good.
* https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/holy-roller-joan-osborne-47920/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, no discussion of Della Penna.
* We don't cite IMDb (no editorial oversight). Wiki.
* We can't use any of the Allmusic sources you cite (too sparse). From our perennial sources page: Listings without accompanying prose do not count towards notability, and as a rule content-free profiles have no information to cite regardless of where they are published.
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2003/07/04/kill-henry-sugar-sell-this/daac1261-a4d4-4c6e-8d30-d0731f408b77/ is borderline. While it does discuss his work in Kill Henry Sugar, it's a very short article overall.
* https://www.westword.com/arts/circus-saga-5075035 is useless for notability (no editorial oversight). The biggest problem with citing news stories (or, really, anything else) about an event that predate the event is the possibility that the events they're discussing won't happen due to whatever reason: a plane crashed, venue didn't remove brown M&Ms, performer committed pater familicide, etc.
* We can't use Surprise Truck (too sparse. Very short article with barely anything to cite. I should also note that unless the source discusses Della Penna specifically articles which are more about Kill Henry Sugar are not going to be particularly helpful as a source for an article on Della Penna.
* https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/joan-baez-returns-to-her-acoustic-roots-in-new-2558789.php is useless for notability (too sparse, connexion to subject). Name-drop in an interview with a collaborator.
* https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/reviews/joan-baez-barbican-london-6106875.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, no discussion of Della Penna.
* https://www.evesun.com/news/stories/2023-02-20/37930/Hazmat-Modine-on-the-EOH-Main-Stage is a non-sequitur, and even if it weren't we couldn't cite it as it's an obvious advertorial (no editorial oversight).
* https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/arts/music/migrations-the-making-of-america-immigration.html is 404-compliant. (It gives me a blank page.)
* https://www.broadwayworld.com/miami/article/KITTY-HAWK-Returns-to-the-Arsht-Center-for-Its-Third-Season-20191014 is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, no discussion of Della Penna.
* https://www.broadway.com/buzz/203921/dead-outlaw-world-premiere-musical-from-the-bands-visit-team-extends-run/ " " " " (" "). "-", " " " " ".
* You have two okay sources, and the rest of the ones I can assess are a combination of name-drops, Discogs, and Allmusic content-free album profiles. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 17:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Hello Jéské Couriano. Thank you for your time on this and your comments. My thought is that Della Penna seems to qualify as a notable composer/lyricist under Wikipedia's own criteria:
* WP:COMPOSER
* For the WikiProject, see Composers.
* Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
* Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.
* Has written musical theatre of some sort (e.g., musicals, operas) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run, as such things are judged in their particular situation, context, and time.
* Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer, or lyricist who meets the above criteria.
* Has written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.
* Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria.
* Appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on their genre of music.
* Notability (music)
* He has written the music and lyrics to a musical that was performed in the famed off-Broadway theater--The Minetta Lane Theater. It ran for seven weeks and now is being nominated for awards (the winners have not been chosen yet).
* Should I just make it a short article about him being a composer/lyricist and take out all the other information about him being a guitarist/songwriter? NMDP (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Remember when I said above that it may be a case of the chaff choking out the wheat? Two sources out of 51 being good (discounting the two walled NYT sources) is a problem for any draft, since it means that reviewers aren't going to bother approving the article as the sourcing is still very noticeably subpar. All the extraneous sources other than the Berkshire Eagle, American Songwriter, and (potentially) the two walled New York Times sources need to be removed, and the draft rewritten based on the sources that remain. Bear in mind WP:BLP applies here as well, which makes the useless sources even more of a liability. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 21:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* OK. I'll give that a shot. Thank you. NMDP (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I was definitely thinking about references differently. I was thinking that references had to "prove" each fact in the article. So for example the SFGate article and the Independent article "prove" Della Penna played in Joan Baez's band, but you're saying it's just name-dropping--that wikipedia requires more. Again--thanks. NMDP (talk) 22:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I was definitely thinking about references differently. I was thinking that references had to "prove" each fact in the article. So for example the SFGate article and the Independent article "prove" Della Penna played in Joan Baez's band, but you're saying it's just name-dropping--that wikipedia requires more. Will work on it. NMDP (talk) 22:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC NMDP (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I'd like to chime in and note that the first New York Times article is substantial coverage of Della Penna as a part of Dead Outlaw, but the second only provides a brief mention of a group Della Penna was in without mentioning him by name. Recon rabbit 19:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
17:26, 22 April 2024 review of submission by 2610:130:110:1523:7D8B:A2E8:738A:34C
I'm wondering if I can get more specifics on how to address the suggestion of making this more "encyclopedic" rather than an "essay" and also specific points where I should revise from having an opinion to being neutral? Thank you for the guidance. 2610:130:110:1523:7D8B:A2E8:738A:34C (talk) 17:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I'm having difficulty finding any of your sources which actually meet the triple criterion in WP:42. All of them I've looked at are either published by the subject, or mention them without saying very much about them. The last couple don't even mention it.
* This means, it seems to me, that your draft does not yet establish that the Union meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
* Furthermore, if there are no independent sources which say anything substantial about the Union, then there is nothing that can go in the article - which is probably why it reads as an essay.
* ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
19:15, 22 April 2024 review of submission by <IP_ADDRESS>
The draft was declined for being mostly a copy paste of Hurricane Ian, but a discussion at Talk:Hurricane Ian determined a consensus for a split and trimming down of the main section. The draft should be accepted because it reflects consensus. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Article splits are not usually done via this process; see WP:PROSPLIT for the procedure. 331dot (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Good point. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Perhaps the reviewer simply wasn't aware of that split discussion (an easy thing to overlook, if you ask me). Courtesy pinging . -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
19:20, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Gaw54
PLEASE HELP!!!! I have made multiple edits to this page and published them. Then someone seems to reject my article and now all my edits have disappeared. I am beyond frustrated. Gaw54 (talk) 19:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Gaw54: your draft has only been declined, not rejected, and that does not make edits "disappear" (as you can see yourself from the edit history). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* But my edits DID disappear. I made a number of new edits yesterday and today, published them, and then when I went back to look at the document, they were gone. Moreover, one of the objections to the article was that I needed to use footnotes. There are 23 footnotes in this article! I simply don't understand the basis for the article being declined. This was written to respond to the call of the Women Artists Project to fill the gap between the presence of male and female artists on Wikipedia. With this kind of experience, I can understand why. I've spent over a week on this entry and I still don't understand why it is being declined or how I can it before a reviewer who might actually know something about the subject and provide more useful feedback. Gaw54 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Gaw54: I'm not saying your edits didn't disappear. Maybe your browser crashed. Maybe your computer (or whatever device you're editing on) did. Maybe you didn't publish your edits. All I'm saying is, declining (or rejecting, for that matter) a draft does not cause anything to vanish. Not that I'm aware of, at any rate. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Gaw54 As explained below, you are editing two versions of the draft, one here User:Gaw54/sandbox and another here Draft:Bonnie Rychlak. Please only edit one of them to avoid confusion. Theroadislong (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
19:22, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Explorer Hamza
not able to understand rejection, please guide how to submit Explorer Hamza (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Explorer Hamza: articles on living people (WP:BLP) need to be referenced with inline citations, so that it's clear where each bit of the content is coming from; see WP:REFB and WP:ILC for advice. (I don't think that's the only issue with this draft, but it's the one it was declined for.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* As to your sources proper, refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
* We can't use https://www.wef.org.in/shakeba-umar/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this?
* We don't cite LinkedIn (connexion to subject). LinkedIn profiles are written by or on behalf of the LinkedIn account holder.
* I cannot assess either PDF (incompetent).
* Literally every Denzal Foundation and Shakebaumar.com source is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
* We can't use https://ngodetails.com/india/orissa/denzal-foundation/ (too sparse). Content-free profile.
* https://www.hindustanbytes.com/in2futurecom-honored-educationalists-educational-organization-at-international-innovative-education-summit-iies-on-27th-march-2022-at-oaks-ibn-battuta-gate-dubai is useless for notability (too sparse). Name in a massive list of awardees for a non-exclusive award. Non-exclusive awards as a rule tend to mean nothing for notability.
* https://www.hindustanmetro.com/in2future-com-honored-educationalists-educational-organization-at-international-innovative-education-summit-iies-on-27th-march-2022-at-oaks-ibn-battuta-gate-dubai/ was discussed and dismissed; it's a carbon copy of the HindustanBytes source.
* https://spotlatest.com/uncategorized/foxclues-india-top-100-women-icon-awards-third-list-announced/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name in a list for a non-exclusive award.
* The overwhelming majority of your sources are unusable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 21:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
19:44, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Max Elliott1
Mayday friends, could you help me understand why my page was not approved? I have not much experience in creating pages, and maybe I really missed something. Please help. Thanks, gracias, danke, merci, shukran, дякую Max Elliott1 (talk) 19:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Max Elliott1: it was declined because it is unreferenced. (A quick glance suggests there are other issues, too, but that's why it was declined this time around.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* It also fails the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Hello, Max. I'm afraid that that is the usual experience for people who attempt to create an article before they have spent the time learning how Wikipedia works. I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to existing articles, and gradually learning about core principles like verifiability, reliale sources, neutral point of view and notability, before ever trying the challenging task of creating a new article. ColinFine (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
19:57:33, 22 April 2024 review of draft by Gaw54
Gaw54 (talk) 19:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I've done that. I think the process may have been interrupted by someone reviewing and responding the draft before I publish the changes. I just tried again and hope that this works. On a related note, I tried entering tags but got the message that no page existed by the title of my article. Suggestions? Gaw54 (talk) 19:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* You are editing two versions of the draft, one here User:Gaw54/sandbox and another here Draft:Bonnie Rychlak. Theroadislong (talk) 20:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
I have spent considerable time on my entry on artist and curator Bonnie Rychlak. I am very confused about the basis of it being declined. I was told that my inline citations were not correctly but that I should footnotes. I'm very confused. There are 25 footnotes on the cite. Also, I tried without success to tag the page Women Artists and Women Writers in order that it get to editors in best position to provide valuable feedback. But when I attempted to tag the page, I received the notice that no such page with the title Bonnie Rychlak exists. Please advise. Thank you. Gaw54 (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* I've consolidated these sections. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Thank you, that makes sense. Can you please clarify why one reviewer believes this individual doesn't meet the notability standard? She has a highly respected career in TWO fields both as artist and curator. She is one of the top experts on the artist Noguchi with over a dozen key publications and multiple international exhibitions. Moreover, she has co-exhibited with another artist who has a Wiki page, and was written about by a top critic/curator who also has a Wiki page. I'm trying to help fill the gap in entries on male and female artists on Wikipedia and am dismayed to find any number of male artists whose accomplishments don't hold a candle to those of this individual. I would very much appreciate any guidance on this matter. Thank you. Gaw54 (talk) 21:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* @Gaw54: I don't think anyone is saying that this person categorically isn't notable, but rather that notability hasn't yet been adequately demonstrated. You need to show, and corroborate with reliable sources, that they satisfy either the general WP:GNG notability standard, or the special WP:ARTIST one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
* To be frank,, prose like is not the way an encyclopedia article should be written. This hifalutin prose style obscures and intrigues perhaps, and may be appreciated in certain corners of academia, but it is not the crisp, clear language of descriptive encyclopedia writing. Your prose must be accessible to newcomers to your topic, not just to enthusiasts and insiders. Do not make your readers respond with "what the heck?" Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
* Thank you for your prompt reply. Actually, this is exactly what one reviewer is saying "Please provide sources for the public collections, notability hinges on this." That seems pretty categorial to me, given that the collections where her work can be seen don't have online collection access. And this is the first time this criteria was mentioned, despite previous reviews of the piece by this specific editor. It just seems like the bar for acceptance keeps moving. I think that the 25 sourced references, including multiple highly regarded publications and exhibitions, has been easily established. I'm at a loss as to what more is being asked for to pass this hurdle. Gaw54 (talk) 13:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
* All that is being asked is that you provide sources for the content, it's an absolute basic necessity of editing Wikipedia, if the awards and collections are not sourced then we can't confirm that they pass the notability criteria WP:NARTIST, merely having exhibitions doesn't make them a notable artist. Theroadislong (talk) 14:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
* More “what the heck?” content includes Visibility is low, so low that if images are discerned at all, they are reduced to a wavering generality. The image inside the clean white box, reminiscent of medicine cabinets, can be read as banal or sinister, or just mysterious., If this is a quote then it needs a source if it is your own opinion it should be removed as original research. Theroadislong (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
* Please remember that ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
21:08, 22 April 2024 review of submission by Adamu ab
Why are requesting assistant Adamu ab (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
* Hi @Adamu ab, your draft was declined because the writing is too promotional. However, I think this was an incorrect decline, as I also do not find that the subject passes our notability guidelines. Please see WP:NBIO for these guidelines. -- asilvering (talk) 22:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC) | WIKI |
SNAIL Transctiption factor in prostate cancer cells promotes neurite outgrowth
Gabrielle Edwards, Taaliah Campbell, Veronica Henderson, Alira Danaher, Daqing Wu, Rekha Srinivasan, Khosrow Rezvani, Valerie A. Odero-Marah
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Abstract
Neurite outgrowth involves reciprocal signaling interactions between tumor cells and nerves where invading tumor cells have acquired the ability to respond to pro-invasive signals within the nerve environment. Neurite outgrowth could serve as a mechanism leading to invasion of cancer cells into the nerve sheath and subsequent metastasis. Snail transcription factor can promote migration and invasion of prostate cancer cells. We hypothesized that prostate cancer cell interaction with nerve cells will be mediated by Snail expression within prostate cancer cells. For this study we utilized various prostate cancer cell lines: C4-2 non-silencing (NS, control); C4-2 Snail shRNA, (stable Snail knockdown); LNCaP Neo (empty vector control) and LNCaP Snail (stably over-expressing Snail). Cancer cell adhesion and migration towards nerve cells (snF96.2 or NS20Y) was examined by co-culture assays. Conditioned media (CM) collected from C4-2 cells was cultured with nerve cells (PC-12 or NS20Y) for 48 h followed by qualitative or quantitative neurite outgrowth assay. Our results showed that cancer cells expressing high levels of Snail (LNCaP Snail/C4-2 NS) displayed significantly higher migration adherence to nerve cells, compared to cells with lower levels of Snail (LNCaP Neo/C4-2 Snail shRNA). Additionally, LNCaP Snail or C4-2 NS (Snail-high) CM led to a higher neurite outgrowth compared to the LNCaP Neo or C4-2 Snail shRNA (Snail-low). In conclusion, Snail promotes migration and adhesion to nerve cells, as well as neurite outgrowth via secretion of soluble factors. Therefore, targeting cancer cell interaction with nerves may contribute to halting prostate cancer progression/metastasis.
Original languageEnglish (US)
Pages (from-to)1-9
Number of pages9
JournalBiochimie
Volume180
DOIs
StatePublished - Jan 2021
Keywords
• Cancer cell
• Nerve
• Neurite
• Neurite outgrowth
• Prostate cancer
• Snail
ASJC Scopus subject areas
• Biochemistry
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Difference between Bronchitis and Bronchiolitis
Difference between Bronchitis and Bronchiolitis
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Bronchitis and Bronchiolitis are both respiratory illnesses, but they differ in many ways.
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The Evangelical Anglican Church In America (EACA) is an independent denomination of Anglo-Catholicism. It is counted as a member of the Old Catholic faith community, deriving, its apostolic succession, in first instances, from it. Secondary lines of succession arise from both autocephalous Orthodox Churches as well as Eastern Catholic Churches.
It differs little in matters of church polity, doctrine or worship from other churches within the Anglican Communion, fully accepting the Thirty-Nine Articles of Faith as the basis of doctrine and its theology is founded on Scripture, Tradition and Reason. Its spectrum of liturgy allows for both a Low church (Evangelical) as well as a High Church (Traditional Catholic) approach to community worship, although the latter predominates.
It supports the growing call for an Inclusive Church which "affirms the Church's mission, in obedience to Holy Scripture, is to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ in every generation. We acknowledge that this is Good News for people regardless of their gender, race or sexual orientation. We believe that, in order to strengthen the Gospel's proclamation of justice to the world, and for the greater glory of God, the Church's own common life must be justly ordered. To that end, we call on our Church to live out the promise of the Gospel; to celebrate the diverse gifts of all the members of the Body of Christ; and in the ordering of our common life to open the ministries of deacon, priest and bishop to those called to serve by God, regardless of their sex, race or sexual orientation".
In October 2002, the Church entered into a Concordat Agreement with the Open Episcopal Church resulting in full intercommunion. | WIKI |
Step via Step Guide to Registering and Implementing Google Analytics With WordPress Websites
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If you have a Gmail account, all the Google offerings registered may be tied to that account. If ever it’s far necessary to change or abandon your Gmail account, it might be essential to accomplish the Google offerings with a brand new account and dissociate them from the vintage account. While it’s miles feasible to trade the primary account related to the services, it is a taxing procedure and exceptional prevented (as the writer has found out via tough revels). Therefore the instructions under do not require that you accomplice any of the services with a Gmail account.
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1. Type “google.Com/analytics” into your browser to be taken to the Analytics home page.
2. Below the header menu, to the upper right of the web page, is a large blue button which you have to click on classified “Access Analytics.”
3. You are transported to a login page. Since you want to sign in for an account, look for the link labeled “Sign Up for a new Google Account” inside the higher proper nook of the web page and click on it.
4. Now you’re looking at a registration page. You want to input the following records:
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Registering for Google Analytics
Having a Google account, you are prepared to sign up for Google Analytics. If you registered, you would note how steps one thru 3 are nearly identical to steps one via three above.
1. Type “google.Com/analytics” into your browser to be taken to the Analytics home page.
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With which you ought to be capable of tune traffic to your website. Be privy to two matters. The first is that you should not expect that the information is up to the second one accurate. Second, your personal visits get logged as well. The visitors you spot first of all may be all you. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
Why Do I Get Hives?
Hives can formulate on your skin due to a number of reasons. Many of which require that you be exposed to a physical stimuli. These can be things like sun exposure, heat exposure, cold exposure, insect bites, insect stings, certain foods, and tons of more stimuli.
Each person reacts differently to various stimuli. Some people may be allergic to nuts, while others can eat a bunch of them without any physical reaction. You know you have an allergic reaction when your skin breaks out in red itchy welts. These can breakout anywhere on the body, and will typically move from one place to another.
Hives are very unpredictable as to where they formulate on the body, and where they move to. Sometimes they can start small and then adjoin with other areas of the infection. This can create a massive sized section of raised welts all over the skin. If the welts are itchy you can be sure they are hives.
Many people wonder can you catch urticaria? The truth is that you can’t. This isn’t an infection that can be passed on from one person to the next. This is solely a response from the body due to stimuli. There is no physical way to get someone else’s hives infection. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
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910 TREATY WITH BORNEO. JUNE 23, 1850. No duty on ARTICLE 6. His Highness the Sultan of Borneo agrees that no duty °XP°”“· whatever shall be levied on the exportation from His Highness do. minions of any article the growth, produce, or manufacture of those dominions. Ships of war ARTICLE 7. His Highness the Sultan of Borneo engages to permit
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(,;,,,,5., Suppfgcg rivers, and creeks situate within his dominions, and to allow such ships to provide themselves, at a fair and moderate price, with such supplies, stores, and provisions as they may from time to time stand in need of. Wr€<>kS· ARTICLE 8. If any vessel under the American flag should be wrecked on the coast of the dominions of his Highness the Sultan of Borneo, his Highness engages to give all the assistance in his power to recover for and to deliver over to the owners thereof all the property that can be saved from such vessels. His Highness further engages to extend to the officers and crew, and to all other persons on board of such wrecked vessels, full protection, both as to their persons and as to their property. Triru of eases ARTICLE 9. His Highness the Sultan of Borneo agrees that in all cases where a citizen of the United States shall be accused of any crime www committed in any part of his Highness dominions, the person so accused shall be exclusively tried and adjudged by the American Consul, or other officer duly appointed for that purpose; and in all cases where disputes or differences may arise between American citizens, or between American citizens and the subjects of his Highness, or between American citizens and the citizens or subjects of any other foreign Power in the dominions of the Sultan of Borneo, the American Consul, or other duly appointed officer, shall have power to hear and decide the same, without any interference, molestation, or hindrance on the part of any authority of Borneo, either before, during, or after the litigation. This treaty shall be ratified, and the ratifications thereof shall be exchanged at Bruni at any time prior to the fourth day of July, in the year one thousand eight hundred and fifty-four. Done at the city of Bruni on this twenty-third day of June, Anno Domini one thousand eight hundred and fifty, and on the thirteenth day of the month Saaban, of the year of the Hegira one thousand two hundred and sixty-six. JOSEPH BALESTIER, (L. s. OMAR ALI SAIFEDDIN, (L. sg And whereas the said Convention has been duly ratified on both parts, and the respective ratifications of the same were exchanged at the city of Bruni on the eleventh day of July, one thousand eight hundred and fifty-three, by Captain W1LLIA1»r J. MCCLUNEY, of the United States Navy, and PANGERAN ENDAR NIACOTAH, Prime Minister of his Highness the Sultan of Borneo, on the part of their respective Governments: Now, therefore, be it known that I, FRANKLIN PIERCE, President of the United States of America, have caused the said Convention to be made public, to the end that the same, and every clause and article thereof, may be observed and fulfilled with good faith by the United States and the citizens thereof In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the city of Washington, this twelfth day of July, in the (L. S.) year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifty-four, and of theindepcndence of the United States the seventy-ninth, FRANKLIN PIERCE. BY THE PRESIDENT: W. L. MARCY, Secretary of State. | WIKI |
Holy Presentation Church
Holy Presentation Church (Свято-Введенська церква, Свято-Введенская церковь) is an Orthodox church in Beryslav, Ukraine. Its original name was the Resurrection Church. It is an 18th-century building constructed in 1725 of oak; the roof is made of iron. In 1784, the church was transported by the Cossacks along the Dnipro River from the Zaporizhian Perevolochna fortress to Beryslav. From 1939 to 1941, the church was closed. Today, the religious building belongs to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) community.
History
In 1725, the church was built as a military church in the Cossack fortress Perevolochna in Poltava province (guberniia) (now Dnipro Region), on the border of Zaporizhian Sich. It was located 350 kilometers from where it currently stands.
At the beginning of the 15th century, these lands (now Beryslav Raion) were the southern borders of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. There was a custom known as Vitovtova. There was a Dnipro River ferry, Tavanskyi pereviz, which got its name from the Tavan Island. In the 16th century, these lands were captured by the Crimean Khanate, and instead of the customs the (Turkish: 'Maiden castle') was built, which became an obstacle for the Zaporizhian Cossacks' light ships (called chaika) in the lower reach of the Dnipro River and the Black Sea. In 1689, during the Crimean campaign, the Russian Army under the command of knyaz N. Golitsyn unsuccessfully tried to capture the fortress. Only in 1695, after a long siege by Russian troops, together with Zaporizhian Cossacks, was Kyzykermen captured and these lands passed to the Russian Empire.
In 1784, the Cossacks rafted the church over the Dnipro River to Kyzykermen, which in the same year received the status of a city and was named Beryslav. According to legend, on the raft on which the Church was transported, there was an inscription: "take and glorify" (bery i slav). The name of the city comes from that phrase.
"At that time Empress Catherine II decreed the settlement of the South of Ukraine, and people from Poltava took with them this shrine - said priest Alexander. - There are two versions of its delivering. According to the first, the whole Church was rafted along the Dnipro River, but in that case only chips would have remained. Therefore, the second version is more reliable, according to which the Church was first taken apart, then all parts were numbered, rafted, and then they were reassembled without a single nail on a new place..."
There is a legend among the citizens of Beryslav that the Holy Presentation Church was washed away by spring flooding and sailed down the river straight to the city.
As a result, in a rare case in the history of Ukrainian architecture, the oldest building in the city is older than Beryslav itself by more than half a century. After delivery, the church was put in the historic center of the city, on the place of the current People's Hall (House of Culture), and consecrated in honor of the Resurrection of Christ (Easter). In 1853, in the midst of the Crimean War, for an unknown reason, the church was moved outside of Beryslav, to the place where the Presentation cemetery was founded. The church itself was re-consecrated in honor of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. At the former place a majestic church was built, which was later demolished by the Soviet regime.
In the first half of the 20th century the Holy Presentation Church was closed, like all other Orthodox shrines. Right before the beginning of the Second World War, there was even a proposal to disassemble it for firewood and burn it: trees were very rare in the steppe areas.
"But God kept this Holy place," said the priest, "and spiritual life in the Church was renewed only with the arrival of the Germans in 1941. They miraculously found the surviving priest Daniil, who had a broken spine, and literally forced him to resume church service."
Now Holy Presentation Church is a protected architectural monument from the 18th century.
Architecture
The church was built in a style typical for folk architecture. It is one of the few extant examples of Zaporizhian Cossack wooden architecture.
The church belongs to the cross-domed type, has a longitudinal-axial composition; with the main volume being octagonal and the apse pentagonal. To the main volume from the north, south and west are attached faceted porches.
The church is single-domed, crowned with an unusual – similar to Tatar – polygonal spherical dome with a small onion dome. The church is painted in bright blue with green accents. The material used came from oak logs, which was vertically covered with boards, set on a stone foundation, and covered with iron.
The central window above the main entrance has a cross-like shape. Concrete steps lead to the main door. The entire height of the church is 17 meters. | WIKI |
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Object. A model of subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) in pigs was developed to investigate bilirubin concentration in cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) as a potential marker of sentinel SAH.
Methods. Seven male Yorkshire pigs received a 250-µl injection of either whole autologous arterial blood (four animals) or isotonic saline (three animals) into the cisternae magna in an effort to produce volumetrically a model of sentinel SAH and a control injection model, respectively. Cerebrospinal fluid volumes of 100 µl were then collected from both the lumbar cistern and cisternae magna at 1 to 2-hour intervals for a total of 24 hours postinjection. The CSF was then tested for bilirubin.
Mean concentrations of bilirubin (± standard deviation [SD]) obtained from the lumbar cistern 24 hours following the injection of blood or saline were 4.38 ± 1.04 µM in the SAH animals and 1.02 ± 0.05 µM in the controls. At 24 hours postinjection, mean concentrations (± SD) of cisternae magna bilirubin were 7.29 ± 1.33 ÉM and 1.33 ± 0.14 µM in the SAH animals and controls, respectively. In the SAH group, both the lumbar cistern and cisternae magna bilirubin concentrations differed significantly from baseline values 12 hours following SAH.
Conclusions. Elevated concentrations of CSF bilirubin can be detected following a low-volume SAH, and the production of bilirubin occurred over a predictable time course. Twelve hours after hemorrhage, an elevated CSF bilirubin concentration was an indicator of hemolysis occurring in the subarachnoid spaces. The presence of bilirubin in CSF is a potential marker for differentiating SAHs from traumatic lumbar punctures in humans. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
Line 10 (Chengdu Metro)
Line 10 of the Chengdu Metro runs from Taipingyuan in Wuhou to Xinping in Xinjin. Currently, the line is 37.972 km long. In 2024, the line will be 43.9 km long with the 5.9 km northeastern extension (Phase 3) to People's Park.
Phase I of Line 10 began construction in July 2014 and opened in September 2017. Phase II began construction in 2016 and opened on December 27, 2019. It is the first line in Chengdu Metro to use 6-car Type A rolling stock for service.
Line 10's color is sky blue. | WIKI |
BRIEF-Gener8 Maritime's unit enters into amendment agreement with HHIC-Phil Inc
Oct 2 (Reuters) - Gener8 Maritime Inc * On Sept 26, unit entered into amendment agreement with HHIC-Phil Inc * Under amendment agreement and outstanding works agreement, builder is obligated to physically deliver vessel on October 9, 2017 * Amendment agreement further provides for a $19.3 million reduction in contract price payable under building contract for vessel * Contract price for vessel has, in effect, been reduced from $96.4 million to $77.1 million * Unit also entered outstanding works agreement with HHIC-Phil Inc Source text for Eikon: (bit.ly/2xTZagx) Further company coverage: | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
Even Penguins Have Children Who Won’t Leave the Nest
Galápagos penguin chicks have it good. Even when they are old enough to hunt on their own, they beg their parents for food — and the parents give in. Recently researchers in the Galápagos watched as fully fledged birds squeaked and pleaded until their parents turned to them and regurgitated a meal into their mouths. One big young bird, recorded on video, was fed, then followed his parent squeaking for more until the besieged adult escaped by diving into the water. The study is online in The Wilson Journal of Ornithology. In the Galápagos, food supplies vary. When times are good and there is plenty of food, one way of assuring the survival of the species is for parents to help their adult children with some extra nourishment. Galápagos penguins forage just offshore, close to their nests, and return to the nest site after the young fledge, so parents and fledglings are likely to encounter one another frequently. Only one other of the 18 species of penguins is known to do this: the Gentoo penguins. These birds, which inhabit Antarctica and nearby islands, feed their young after they have fledged for about 12 days, probably to give them time to learn how to hunt for themselves. The Galápagos penguins, the only penguins that live north of the Equator, are endangered, with fewer than 2,000 left in the world. They are not always so self-sacrificing. “When conditions are good, they can raise two chicks in a season and continue to feed them,” said Dee Boersma, a professor of biology at the University of Washington and the lead author of the study. “When there’s little food around,” Professor Boersma continued, “they save themselves, forgetting about both eggs and chicks.” | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
Yes, Trumpcare still has a path — but not a fast one
It's going to be tough to satisfy all of the Republicans who have problems with the House Obamacare replacement bill — conservatives who want a faster end to Medicaid expansion, Republicans from states that want to keep their Medicaid expansion, and especially moderates who are rattled by the massive health coverage losses predicted by the Congressional Budget Office. But don't assume that's the end of the road. Smart Republicans who were around for the passage of Obamacare, the mirror image of what Republicans are going through now, tell me there's probably still a path to President Trump's desk for something they can call repeal. Just don't assume it's going to look like this bill. The realities: Republicans can't just give up on repeal after running on it in four elections. The CBO report "certainly does have a discouraging impact, but the reality is, failure is not an option," said Chris Condeluci, a former Senate Republican aide who worked on the Affordable Care Act and a member of the Axios board of experts. Some Senate Republicans are criticizing the bill now and want changes, but there's no way for the Senate GOP to come up with a strategy without knowing what the final House bill will look like — since it could be changed in the Rules Committee next week before it goes to the floor, according to a Senate GOP leadership aide. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is more likely to offer moderate Republicans some changes — like modifying the tax credits to boost coverage and softening the Medicaid cuts — than to pull the plug, Condeluci said. But the rules are strict on what kinds of changes would be allowed under the budget "reconciliation" procedures, and if the bill changes too much, Republicans will lose the protections that allow them to pass the bill with 51 votes. A bigger problem is that Trump's allies are starting to see the current bill as "deeply flawed — and, at worst, a political trap," per the Washington Post. The waiting game right now is to see whether any Republicans will declare the House bill a non-starter in the Senate. Rodney Whitlock, a former Senate Republican aide, notes that when Democrats passed the Affordable Care Act, it took Joe Lieberman to kill off the "public option" — which everyone knew couldn't pass the Senate anyway. Now, with the House GOP bill, "no one wants to step forward and say, 'I'm not comfortable with these numbers and I'm not voting for it,'" said Whitlock. If someone does, that probably ends the exercise of trying to pass House Speaker Paul Ryan's bill. But it opens an opportunity for a more moderate Republican, like Sen. Lamar Alexander, to work with Democrats on something closer to a "repair" bill — which Alexander says he's wanted to do all along. The bottom line: Republicans have to press forward with the current bill and drive it as far as they can. But there could be a pretty big pivot point in the Senate — and the final version of Trumpcare could look very different from this version. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
That undermined founding father, was John Hancock. Before the American Revolution, before being one of the wealthiest merchants in all of the 13 colonies, and before even having a political profession, Hammock’s journey embarked by working as a clerk in his uncle’s mercantile shipping business. He learned it swiftly, and one day in the year of 1 761, Hancock took a voyage to London to observe how business ran in England. In his travels, Hancock had the pleasure of watching the funeral of George II and the coronation of his future adversary, George Ill.In 1 763, Hancock became an official partner of his Uncle Thomas in the business, which was abruptly ended by the death of his uncle around a year later. With his uncle’s death came his uncle’s will, which granted his 27-year-old nephew control over his entire mercantile shipping business and 50,000 pounds in cash (“President”).
When Hancock returned back to the America, he found that his countrymen were in political and economic turmoil with new taxes such as the Sugar and Stamp Acts.As protests against the Sugar Act and Stamp Act developed, it was more the economic impact rather than the dilemma of a constitutional affair of taxation without representation that was the main focus for the colonists. This focus was brought on by the Seven Years War the colonists fought. Hancock in turn decided to play on his only strength he had at the time, money and his business. “Hancock employed more than 10,000 people, most of them in Boston,” says Thomas R. Addled (37).Hancock could have easily just donated money to the cause of liberty to solve temporary problems and still come off as a generous philanthropist, but instead he decided to tackle he core of the problem and get many Americans much needed jobs, showing just what kind of generous father to this country he really was (Addled 38).
Soon after Hammock’s employment by the thousands, people began to take notice. Because his showing of patriotism and loyalty to his fellow man, he soon got elected selectman in Boston.This would then set the stage for him to further change the outcome of the conflict with the British. John Hammock’s first clash with the British was on May 9, 1768. When Hancock ship, the Liberty, laid anchor in the docks of Boston Harbor around midday, British custom officials searched the vessel for any unpaid cargo tax. The only thing the custom officials found were 25 barrels of wine on which Hancock paid full duties to have. Officials still remained skeptical, as John was a notoriously known as a skilled smuggler, even if he’d never gotten caught.
They came to the conclusion that Hancock was going to unload more wine or other cargo under the cover of night, but they seemed to lack evidence to prove it since two the tides-men that slept overnight in the Liberty reported to seeing nothing be unloaded. Whether Hammock’s cunning and seasoned smuggling skills or whether his wealth played a hand in bribery between the two tides- men, Hancock did not get charged with any smuggling activities until around a month later when Thomas Kirk, one of the tides-men, reported that Hancock was in fact smuggling new cargo.Near sunset, British customhouse agents searched and seized the Liberty, and did in fact find new cargo of 20 barrels of oil and tar. They then pulled Hammock’s ship from the harbor into the sights of the 100 cannon filled man-of-war, Rooney. Hancock lost his ship in the process and was fined around 1 00,000 pounds for evading the British tax (naps. Gob). John could have simply paid the tax on his extra cargo without even remotely damaging the size of his wallet, but instead he followed his principles and beliefs of no taxation without representation and in the back of his mind, Liberty.
John Hammock’s story of the Liberty and his passion for patriotism soon gained notice of yet another group of people. A month after Hammock’s Liberty was captured by the British, the town of Boston chastised he British government for taking The Liberty and coined British actions, “an illegal seizure of a vessel lying wharf (Proctor 653). ” This meant not only did he have the support of the people for illegal activity against England, but he had the government’s as well.After a few years of tending to his business, John finally renewed his old previously gained trust with the American government by taking up an active role in the Boston Tea party. Although some now believe John didn’t even step foot on the dock of Boston Harbor, in is time folklore spoke of him as being the head Indian leading his men onto the ships himself. The British response in 1 774 was the closing Of Boston Harbor and imposing the Intolerable Acts. At the same as the British were carrying out their punishments, John had been elected president of the Continental Congress in May of 1775.
In turn, London placed a price on both John Hancock and his ally Samuel Adams. The following year, John Hancock would have one of the last adventures as a Founding Father he’d ever have. Late in the night, Paul Revere would wake Hancock and Samuel Adams to the famous words of, “The Regulars are coming’ (Addled 39). Knowing their heads would be on George’s silver platter if they didn’t hurry, Hancock and Adams scrambled to get their belongings and get out Lexington and toward Wobble as soon as they could.Before leaving though, Hancock came to the decision to stay and fight with a militia only 200 strong. Only after series of protests and convincing by both his fiancée and Adams, did he get persuaded into leaving for Wobble. The rest Of Hammock’s days were spent ruining his future legacy.
He damaged his relationship with Samuel Adams ND several others for his reaction towards George Washington being selected for Commander in Chief in place of him.Despite still carrying on as an admirable president in the Continental Congress, that action alone rolled the wheels toward his future criticisms by many modern day historians. James Tremulous, a highly credited author of history, claims John Hancock to be “an empty barrel, a man so immersed in his own mediocrity, seeking offices and responsibilities way out of his capabilities (Proctor 654). ” Many people either focus on the fact that John was just another vain wealthy merchant ho was an ostentatious dresser, or that he just merely signed the Declaration of independence.Rarely is there someone who recognizes that he consistently put his life and fortune on the line for the purpose of liberty. Rarely is there someone who recognizes that at one point he was ready to take up arms with a gun in one hand and a sword in the other to defend his city. Rarely is there someone who recognizes that his smuggling wasn’t an act of greed, but an act of defiance against tyranny.
For those that do know, they know that this barrel still had some substance yet still left inside. | FINEWEB-EDU |
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from [www.sinatraguide.com/conducts.htm]. cover of Frank Sinatra Conducts Music From Pictures And Plays. | WIKI |
Iwate
Iwate can refer to:
* Iwate Prefecture, a prefecture of Japan.
* Iwate, Iwate, a town in Iwate Prefecture, Japan.
* Japanese cruiser Iwate, an armored cruiser of the Imperial Japanese Navy from 1900 to the end of World War II. | WIKI |
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When I created this image, I took precautions to preserve the character data from which I derived the spacings in the left column. They are in a hidden node with and are placed exactly where they need to be in order to do this. Therefore, if the DejaVu Sans font ever changes its spacing characters, it would be a simple task to load up this in Inkscape and convert the text to paths to distill the spacings into a element. «ɧʒχχ (tOk•k«n'trIb) » 04:23, 14 August 2011 (UTC) | WIKI |
Bite the bullet - Fighting in Ukraine
A COLUMN of men in camouflage snaked through the streets of Ternopil, a sleepy town in western Ukraine, with a casket held aloft earlier this week. Yuri Dinya, a solider who died from wounds sustained in eastern Ukraine, was the latest casualty of a war that sputters along largely out of sight. Although the violence has ebbed, following a peace deal signed in Minsk last year, not one part of the peace plan has been implemented. A meeting on March 3rd between the foreign ministers of Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France ended in exasperation. Yet the skirmishes and negotiations continue not because both sides seek to control Ukraine’s Donbas region, but because neither wants to assume responsibility for it. Russia has made clear that it does not plan to annex it, and would rather use it to destabilise Ukraine from within. Ukraine’s leaders, while formally committed to taking back the territory, also recognise the problems they would inherit. The Minsk agreement is a “big fat status quo that doesn’t satisfy anyone, but that we can’t get out of,” says Balazs Jarabik of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a think-tank. Upgrade your inbox and get our Daily Dispatch and Editor's Picks. Part of the problem is that Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine, agreed to a Kremlin-friendly deal that he never expected to hold up (an earlier compact crumbled within weeks). A ceasefire was to be followed by the withdrawal of heavy weapons and local elections. Amnesty for fighters, a hostage exchange, aid distribution and the restoration of Ukrainian financial responsibility for the territories were to ease the way toward reconciliation. Constitutional changes to decentralise power and a law granting the contested territories “special status” would formalise their return to Ukraine, and ultimately allow it to retake control of its borders. The debate over which step to take first has stopped any from being taken. The Kremlin blames Ukraine for balking at the political elements of the deal. Ukraine, in turn, insists that security should come first. Some in Kiev argue that constitutional changes are impossible until Ukraine’s borders are restored. The Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe still records hundreds or thousands of ceasefire violations weekly, mostly from the separatist side. Ukraine’s European allies have been pushing for progress on a law over local elections. But frustration is building, especially as Ukraine’s leadership is mired in internal squabbles and corruption scandals. Earlier this month, Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, declared that Ukraine will not become a member of the European Union or NATO in the next two decades. Mr Juncker’s remarks were meant to reassure Dutch voters ahead of a referendum on Ukraine’s association agreement with the EU next month. While the vote is not binding, it will hint at the European mood. Americans, too, seem wary of Ukraine’s continuing vulnerability. This week Victoria Nuland, the American under secretary for European and Eurasian affairs, warned in the Senate that the political chaos in Kiev creates a “doubt in Europe about whether continued support for Ukraine is warranted”. Such uncertainty gives Moscow hope that the EU will lift its sanctions when they come up for renewal this year. Politicians in Kiev note that the Minsk deal enjoys little public support. Mr Poroshenko is said to be considering a referendum on a special status for the Donbas; a no vote could be cited as a break with Minsk, while a yes vote may provide cover for divisive measures. A first round of voting on constitutional amendments last year on greater autonomy to the separatist-held territories brought demonstrators to the streets and left four dead. But Ukraine must “bite the bullet” on Minsk, says a Western diplomat in Kiev. For now, there may be no alternative. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
meta numerics
Performance Testing
We have run several benchmarks comparing Meta.Numerics to the GNU scientific library (GSL). The GSL is a widely-used, open-source, native C++ library. As you can see, Meta.Numerics performs very well!
Task Meta.Numerics GSL
LU decompose a random 1000 X 1000 matrix 1800 ms 5900 ms
Fourier transform a length-10,000 complex series 2 ms 2 ms
Fourier transform a length-11,117 complex series (length is a large prime number) 8 ms 1000 ms
Compute 100,000 Bessel function values 300 ms 1100 ms
These tests were run on the same computer (a commodity desktop) running the same operating system (Windows 7) under the same conditions. The GSL benchmark is purely native. We didn't make the GSL "look slow" by writing a managed benchmark application that had to make externals call to the native GSL library routines. GSL really is slower for the benchmarked tasks. (If you purchase the Intel Math Kernel Library, currently retailing for $399 per developer, GSL can use it for linear algebra operations, which would significantly speed up LU decomposition.)
Correctness Testing
Our unit tests verify more than 1000 mathematical relationships, most for scores of different arguments ranging over many orders of magnitude. If there is a relationship in Abromiwitz and Stegun expressible involving our library functions, we have probably tested it. If the distribution of a test statistic arises from some null hypothesis, we have probably verified via simulation that our framework accurately reproduces it.
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Mimi Hill (born 4 October 2002) is an Australian rules footballer playing for in the AFL Women's (AFLW). She was drafted with the twelfth selection in the 2020 AFL Women's draft by the.
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Hill played junior football for the Kew Comets in the Yarra Junior Football League for around three years. Hill spent two years playing for the Old Scotch Football Club, where was named best on ground while playing for them in the Victorian Amateur Football Association for the premiership. Cited as a natural leader from a young age, Hill was appointed the captain of the Oakleigh Chargers in her bottom age year. She played 10 games in her first season at the Chargers, where she averaged 16.8 disposals, and 2 in her second, where she averaged 24.5 disposals, only playing 2 due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. She represented Vic Metro in the Under 16s championships and 2019 AFL Women's Under 18 Championships. She played two games for Vic Metro in 2019, where she averaged 25 disposals a game.
Hill attended Methodist Ladies College in Kew, Victoria, where she was appointed school captain in both Year 11 and Year 12.
AFLW career
Hill debuted in the opening round of the 2021 AFL Women's season, in 's 6 point loss to. On debut, she collected 12 disposals, 2 marks and a tackle. Hill injured her knee in Round 6. She signed a two-year contract with on 10 June 2021, after it was revealed the team had conducted a mass re-signing of 13 players.
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Richard CRISP, Warden, et al., Appellants, v. Paul MAYABB, Appellee.
No. 81-1289.
United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit.
Argued and Submitted July 15, 1981.
Decided Sept. 29, 1981.
On Rehearing Feb. 16, 1982.
Larry Oakes, Asst. Atty. Gen., Oklahoma City, Okl. (Jan Eric Cartwright, Atty. Gen., and Michael Avant-Pybas, Asst. Atty. Gen., Oklahoma City, Okl., with him on the brief), for appellants.
Fred P. Gilbert, Tulsa, Okl., for appellee.
Before McWILLIAMS and DOYLE, Circuit Judges, and TEMPLAR, District Judge.
Honorable George Templar, Senior District Judge, District of Kansas, sitting by designation.
WILLIAM E. DOYLE, Circuit Judge.
The cause before us is an appeal by the State of Oklahoma through the Attorney General of that State, seeking reversal of the judgment of the United States District Court which granted a writ of habeas corpus to the petitioner-appellee herein. The trial court issued the writ and directed the release from custody of the petitioner-appellee Paul Mayabb. The appeal is pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1291.
The petitioner-appellee was convicted following a plea of guilty to the crime of murder on April 13, 1971, and was sentenced to life in prison by the Seventh Judicial District Court of the State of Oklahoma. No appeal was taken from the conviction, but Mayabb did file a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the District Court of Oklahoma County. This petition was denied June 3, 1975 and the judgment was affirmed on appeal by the Court of Criminal Appeals of the State of Oklahoma.
Mayabb’s next step was to file a petition for a writ of habeas corpus pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2254. In that petition, it is alleged that Mayabb’s constitutional rights were violated by reason of the fact that at the time of his conviction, males aged 16 to 18 who were charged with crimes in Oklahoma were tried as adults, while females in the same age group were treated as juveniles unless certified for trial as adults. At the time of the alleged murder petitioner was 17 years of age but close to 18. In his petition he alleged that the discriminatory treatment of males was unconstitutional. The denial of Fourteenth Amendment equal protection of the law it is asserted, entitles him to have the conviction vacated and to be released from custody. Petitioner relied on this court’s decisions in Lamb v. Brown, 456 F.2d 18 (10th Cir. 1972) and Radcliff v. Anderson, 509 F.2d 1093 (10th Cir. 1974), cert. denied, 421 U.S. 939, 95 S.Ct. 1667, 44 L.Ed.2d 95 (1975).
The following points are made by the State of Oklahoma:
1. The federal district court was obligated to require habeas petitioner Mayabb to re-exhaust newly created state remedies which were not available when the petition was originally filed pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2254.
2. The United States District Court, sitting as an Oklahoma court, committed reversible error by suppressing the confession of Mayabb where it was in conformity with state juvenile law as well as constitutional Miranda requirements.
POINT ONE
WAS THE DISTRICT COURT COMPELLED TO SEND THE PETITIONER BACK TO RE-EXHAUST NEWLY CREATED STATE REMEDIES NOT AVAILABLE WHEN THE PETITION WAS ORIGINALLY FILED PURSUANT TO 28 U.S.C. § 2254?
The trial court determined that re-exhaustion was not necessary. We affirm. This court’s decision in the case of Lamb v. Brown, supra, held that the Oklahoma statute defining a delinquent chiid as a male under 16 years of age or a female under 18 years was unconstitutional. By virtue of that definition, all males over 16 years of age charged with crimes were treated as adults. On the other hand, females between the ages of 16 and 18 who were charged with crimes were dealt with as juveniles unless certified, after investigation and hearing, to be triable as adults. Because there was no logical justification for discrimination in the treatment of males and females, this court held § 1101(a) of 10 Okla.Stat. to be unconstitutional.
In the case of Radcliff v. Anderson, supra, this court held that the Lamb decision should be applied retroactively, in spite of a statement to the contrary in the Lamb opinion. We found that the denial of a certification hearing before trial as an adult raised concern for basic fairness and essential justice. 509 F.2d at 1096.
In Schaffer v. Green, 496 P.2d 375 (Okl. Crim.App.1972), the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals ruled, in light of our decision in Lamb, that 10 Okla.Stat. § 1101A was unconstitutional. On April 4, .1972, the Oklahoma Legislature amended § 1101 to define “child” as all persons below the age of 18, thus eliminating any discrimination in the treatment of males and females. The related § 1101A was repealed. An effort was made by the Oklahoma court in Dean v. Crisp, 536 P.2d 961 (Okl.Crim.App.1975), to revive the last preceding statute which contained a constitutional, non-discriminatory definition of “delinquent child.” This was found in Compiled Laws of Oklahoma 1909, Chapter 13, Article I, § 594, which provided that all persons under 16 be classified as juveniles while all over 16 were considered adults. The Oklahoma court concluded that until the 1972 amendment to § 1101, certification hearings were not required.
In Bromley v. Crisp, 561 F.2d 1351 (10th Cir. 1977), cert. denied, 435 U.S. 908, 98 S.Ct. 1458, 55 L.Ed.2d 499 (1978), the defendant, while he was 17 and represented by counsel, entered a plea of guilty to a charge of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. He received a suspended sentence. In March 1974, he plead guilty to two charges of second degree burglary after former conviction of a felony and one charge of robbery with firearms after former conviction of a felony. The sentence was three concurrent 22 year terms. The former conviction premising all three of these recidivist convictions was the assault and battery conviction in 1972 when he was prosecuted as an adult without certification for such treatment. Following the 1974 convictions Bromley sought post conviction relief in the state courts, asserting that the former conviction was invalid under the Lamb equal protection holding. He then brought his federal habeas corpus petition, in which his constitutional claim was rejected on the ground that the plea of guilty had waived the prior defects alleged. The appeal in Bromley followed.
The argument by the state on appeal was that the rulings were correct, because the guilty pleas prevented assertion of claims of earlier deprivation of constitutional rights. This court pointed out that although there are a number of cases which hold that where a guilty plea is voluntarily made it precludes subsequent attack on a conviction, the cases of Blackledge v. Perry, 417 U.S. 21, 94 S.Ct. 2098, 40 L.Ed.2d 628 (1974) and Menna v. New York, 423 U.S. 61, 96 S.Ct. 241, 46 L.Ed.2d 195 (1975) hold that the preclusive effects of guilty pleas are not applicable where the constitutional claims go to the power of the state to bring the defendant into court to answer the charge brought against him. This court, however, did not rest its decision on that point, but rather took the narrower position that the specifics and merits of the equal protection claims were considered by the Oklahoma courts. Where that is the case, federal courts in habeas corpus suits should likewise entertain the claims.
In Bromley v. Crisp, this court also rejected the view that the reconstruction of state law offered in Dean v. Crisp, supra, cured any constitutional problems created by discrimination against males aged 16 to 18. We took notice that girls were, in fact, given preferential treatment before § 1101 was amended, and boys were, in fact, denied equal protection of the law. However, we recognized that a writ of habeas corpus need not be issued by the federal court in every case where a boy aged 16 to 18 had been tried and convicted as an adult without the benefit of a certification hearing. We found that if the federal habeas court “is clearly convinced that certification would have been made in the state court, the conviction need not be set aside * *
561 F.2d at 1357.
In Bromley it was also stated that in then-pending federal habeas cases, the district courts should withhold judgment “for a reasonable time to allow the determination to be made in state courts. If the state obtains in the Oklahoma courts a determination that certification would have occurred, the federal district court should deny the writ; if the state court finding is otherwise, the writ should issue.” 561 F.2d at 1356, fn. 6. Should no determination be made in the state court, the federal courts were advised to hold hearings “and make the ruling as to whether or not the court is clearly convinced that petitioner would have been certified for trial as an adult * * *.” Id. We also approved use of the state test, which provides for certifying “such child capable of knowing right from wrong and to be held accountable for his acts.” Id. See, Sherfield v. State, 511 P.2d 598 (Okl.Crim.App.1973).
Based on the Bromley decision the trial court here, Judge Cook presiding, issued an order dated March 13, 1978 granting the appellant 120 days in which to obtain a state court determination as to whether defendant would have been certified to stand trial as an adult had a certification hearing been held. On May 23, 1978, however, a judge of the District Court of Oklahoma County entered an order in which he found that the state could not invoke the jurisdiction of that court to review the judgment. On November 13,1980, a hearing was held in the federal district court to determine whether Mayabb would have been certified to stand trial as an adult. The state presented the testimony of one witness, Officer Richard Mullins of the Oklahoma City Police Department. Mullins was the primary investigator of the underlying murder case here.
When the state attempted to elicit testimony regarding certain statements allegedly made by petitioner Mayabb, counsel for petitioner objected and the suppression question was explored. The petitioner, his mother and his brother testified. The court found that although the officer explained his constitutional rights to the petitioner, as well as to his mother, before questioning petitioner, neither of them could read or write, or understand their rights, and that a knowing, intelligent and voluntary waiver of rights was not made. It was on this basis that the court suppressed the statements. It should be mentioned that the court did not consider the statements for any purpose. An additional piece of evidence was introduced by the state, a file card showing three previous legal incidents involving petitioner. Because the underlying juvenile court records had been destroyed, the information on the card could not be verified, nor could the disposition of any of the charges be determined. The trial court found on the evidence presented that petitioner would not have been certified to stand trial as an adult. Following various post hearing motions, the order issuing the writ of habeas corpus was entered. Petitioner was released from custody on April 20, 1981.
The Dean v. Crisp, supra, revival of the last preceding constitutionally valid statute has been overruled by the Oklahoma court in Edwards v. State, 591 P.2d 313 (Okl. Crim.App.1979). The Edwards opinion held that boys were the victims of unconstitutional discrimination and denial of equal protection. The Oklahoma court also agreed with this court’s holding in Radcliff that retroactive relief should be granted to boys between 16 and 18 who were prosecuted as adults without the benefit of certification hearings. The Edwards order contained the following language:
[T]he (petitioner) must be able to state to the district court some valid reason to believe that certification would have been denied. If he can do this, then he will be entitled to an evidentiary hearing on the question. The state has the burden to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that waiver of jurisdiction of the Juvenile Court would have occurred had a certification hearing been held.
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If the state can establish that the (petitioner) would have been certified had a certification hearing been held, then his application for post-conviction relief should be denied. If the state cannot carry its burden, then post-conviction relief should be granted and the (petitioner’s) convictions should be vacated. Edwards v. State, supra, at 321-322.
It should be mentioned that the Edwards case was decided after the District Court of Oklahoma County determined in 1978 that it lacked jurisdiction to hold a certification hearing on the state’s application, but before the certification hearing was held in the federal district court in 1980.
The important inquiry is whether as a result of the Edwards case a new Oklahoma remedy was created which required that an effort to re-exhaust be made by petitioner. In the Edwards case, a male who was convicted and sentenced as an adult for a crime committed between the ages of 16 and 18 was held to be entitled to an evidentiary hearing in state court on the certification question, if he can state some valid reason to believe that certification would have been denied.
Petitioner has argued that the remedy provided by the Edwards decision is ineffectual because it places the burden on the petitioner to state some reason to believe .that certification would have been denied, in addition to the facts that he was 16 to 18 years of age at the time of the crime and was denied a certification hearing, before he will be entitled to a hearing. Additionally, petitioner points to language in Edwards which indicates that the state need only prove by a preponderance of the evidence that certification to stand trial as an adult would have occurred. 591 P.2d at 321-322. In Bromley v. Crisp, supra, this court has held that if a male 16 to 18 years of age at the time of an offense seeks a remedy based on a failure to hold a certification hearing, the state is then required to prove that certification would have occurred. If the hearing is held in federal court, the court must be “clearly convinced” that certification would have occurred. However, we need not and do not reach the assertion that the Edwards remedy is ineffective in this case.
We recognize that in certain circumstances, a supervening change in applicable law does require that re-exhaustion of state remedies occur before a federal court may act upon a habeas petition of a state prisoner. Thus, a supervening change in federal substantive law requires the state courts to be given an opportunity to consider a petitioner’s contention in the light of such changes. Drennon v. Hess, 642 F.2d 1204 (10th Cir. 1981); Franklin v. Conway, 546 F.2d 579 (4th Cir. 1976); James v. Copinger, 428 F.2d 235 (4th Cir. 1970).
Changes in state procedural law have also been held to require that a federal court stay habeas proceedings so as to permit re-exhaustion. Cf., Case v. Nebraska, 381 U.S. 336, 85 S.Ct. 1486, 14 L.Ed.2d 422 (1965); James v. Copinger, supra. The state has relied on Mabry v. Klimas, 448 U.S. 444, 100 S.Ct. 2755, 65 L.Ed.2d 897 (1980). The petitioner had been convicted and sentenced in that case under a recidivist statute. On appeal he argued that some of his prior convictions should not have been admitted into evidence. The state supreme court reduced his sentence to the minimum that could have been imposed had the inadmissible convictions been excluded. Thereafter, petitioner sought a writ of habeas corpus in the federal court alleging that his sentencing was unconstitutional and not remedied by the modification on appeal. The state recidivist statute was amended after the petitioner’s trial. The Eighth Circuit found that because the amendment, if applicable to the petitioner, would result in a lower sentence, a writ of habeas corpus should issue unless he was resentenced. The Supreme Court reversed, noting that the state courts had never been presented with the argument that the petitioner was entitled to resentencing by virtue of the amended statute. Our analysis of Mabry is that it merely reaffirms the rule that a state prisoner must initially exhaust state remedies before resorting to federal habeas corpus. Picard v. Connor, 404 U.S. 270, 275, 92 S.Ct. 509, 512, 30 L.Ed.2d 438 (1971). Mabry makes it clear that this requirement will continue to apply where an intervening change in state law has given rise to a new theory.
The result differs where, as here, there is an intervening change in state substantive law.
If the change provides an effective state procedure, * * * or a fundamental variation in substantive federal law, the petitioner will generally be required to return to the state courts. If, however, the change is in the substantive state law on the federal issue, federal consideration of the petitioner’s claim will generally not be delayed. Roberts v. La Vallee, 389 U.S. 40, 88 S.Ct. 194, 19 L.Ed.2d 41 (1967). In the latter situation, the state courts already had the opportunity to consider the petitioner’s claim, and the goals underpinning the exhaustion doctrine would not be furthered. Galtieri v. Wainwright, 582 F.2d 348, 355 (5th Cir. 1978).
In the present case, petitioner presented his claim to the state courts in 1975. The state procedure which petitioner invoked would have afforded an adequate forum for consideration of the legal and factual questions presented. See 22 Okla.Stat. § 1080, et seq. Probably because of the then controlling state substantive law, the petition was dismissed. The subsequent change in state substantive law did not trigger a re-exhaustion requirement.
In the present case the state courts had an opportunity to consider petitioner’s claim, even disregarding the state’s request for hearing. The Edwards decision made no change in the state post conviction remedy procedure. Rather, Edwards altered the substantive law of the state so as to recognize that persons such as petitioner may be entitled to a remedy in certain circumstances.
In Roberts v. LaVallee, 389 U.S. 40, 88 S.Ct. 194, 19 L.Ed.2d 41 (1967), the Supreme Court held that a similar change in the state substantive law did not give rise to a re-exhaustion requirement. There, an indigent petitioner had requested a free transcript of the testimony of a key state witness rendered at a preliminary hearing. The petitioner asserted his entitlement to such a transcript before his trial, throughout the state appeals process and in state post conviction proceedings. After his application for federal habeas corpus had been filed, the highest state appellate court ruled that denial of free transcripts to indigents is unconstitutional. The Second Circuit held that because the petitioner might now receive the relief he sought in state court, the federal petition ought to be dismissed and re-exhaustion of state remedies should be required. The Supreme Court, however, reversed, holding that repeated applications to state courts are not required in such circumstances. See also, Francisco v. Gathwright, 419 U.S. 59, 95 S.Ct. 257, 42 L.Ed.2d 226 (1974); Wilwording v. Swenson, 404 U.S. 249, 92 S.Ct. 407, 30 L.Ed.2d 418 (1971); Fay v. Noia, 372 U.S. 391, 423-424, 83 S.Ct. 822, 840-41, 9 L.Ed.2d 837 (1963); United States ex rel. Holes v. Mancusi, 423 F.2d 1137 (2d Cir. 1970).
Accordingly, we conclude that it was not necessary for petitioner to re-exhaust state remedies in light of the Edwards decision. We note that in its response to petitioner’s complaint and petition, the state conceded that the issues raised had been presented to the Oklahoma courts in post conviction proceedings and that state remedies had been exhausted. Moreover, the state did not urge the trial court to return the case to the state court following the Edwards decision. Indeed, counsel for the state expressed satisfaction with the federal forum shortly before the certification hearing began and after the trial court had raised the possibility of requiring re-exhaustion. Our finding is, then, that the trial court acted properly on this issue and we conclude that re-exhaustion was not mandated by applicable law.
POINT II
DID THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT COMMIT ERROR BY SUPPRESSING THE CONFESSION OF MAY ABB?
It will be recalled that petitioner’s statement was taken by an Oklahoma City police officer. The state contends that had the statements been admitted, the trial court would have been required to find that Mayabb would have been certified to stand trial as an adult. The state maintains that under state law, the confession of a child is admissible if the child’s parent was present and if the child and parent were advised of their legal rights. See 10 Okla.Stat. § 1109(a). The state further argues that under Oklahoma law no waiver of rights need be shown. As to federal law, the appellant asserts that petitioner’s plea of guilty precludes any claim in this habeas corpus proceeding that his statements are inadmissible. Alternatively, the state argues that the trial court erred in concluding from the evidence presented that Mayabb’s statements were not voluntarily, knowingly and intelligently made.
One of our conclusions is that the evidence supports the trial court’s finding that petitioner’s statements were not knowingly, voluntarily and intelligently made. The petitioner has argued that the question of the admissibility of his statements is not properly before the court, because the state did not attempt to introduce petitioner’s written statement into evidence and because no offer of proof was made after the trial court decided to suppress petitioner’s oral statements. Rule 103(a)(2), Federal Rules of Evidence, provides that error may not be asserted based on exclusion of evidence unless “the substance of the evidence was made known to the court by offer or was apparent from the context within which questions were asked.” It would appear that the petitioner’s oral statements were made known to the court in substance. We note also that counsel for the state have included in their brief the text of what purports to be the written statement of the accused. As discussed more fully below, the written statement is not part of the record and if the state had wished to make it part of the record, at the very least it should have been formally offered.
The Supreme Court has not yet decided whether the requirements of Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 86 S.Ct. 1602, 16 L.Ed.2d 694 (1966), apply fully in juvenile proceedings. Fare v. Michael C., 442 U.S. 707, 717, fn. 4, 99 S.Ct. 2560, 2567, fn. 4, 61 L.Ed.2d 197 (1979). It is clear, however, that the privilege against self incrimination does apply in juvenile proceedings. In Application of Gault, 387 U.S. 1, 55, 87 S.Ct. 1428, 1458, 18 L.Ed.2d 527 (1967), it was said:
We conclude that the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination is applicable in the case of juveniles as it is with respect to adults. * * * If counsel was not present for some permissible reason when an admission was obtained, the greatest care must be taken to assure that the admission was voluntary, in the sense not only that it was not coerced or suggested, but also that it was not the product of ignorance of rights, or of adolescent fantasy, fright or despair, (emphasis added)
As the Supreme Court recognized in Kent v. United States, 383 U.S. 541, 86 S.Ct. 1045, 16 L.Ed.2d 84 (1966), a certification hearing of this type is of “critical importance.” Thus, we find that a confession or admission of a juvenile is not admissible in a hearing on waiver of juvenile jurisdiction unless the statement was made voluntarily and with knowledge of constitutional rights. The Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals has so held. The Oklahoma court said:
When we consider the critical nature of the rights adjudicated at such a hearing, * * * we are compelled to conclude that there is no rational basis for a rule which would permit an illegally obtained confession to be introduced into evidence at a certification hearing when the same confession would be clearly excluded at a delinquency hearing or a criminal trial. * * * We hold that it is the duty of the judge of the juvenile court to deny admission into evidence at a certification hearing those statements of a child obtained in violation of constitutional or statutory rights which are inadmissible in delinquency or criminal proceedings. J. T. P. v. State, 544 P.2d 1270, 1276 (Okl.Crim. App.1975).
See also, C. G. H. v. State, 580 P.2d 523, 525 (Okl.Crim.App.1978). The Oklahoma courts have given recognition to the proposition that such hearings are of critical importance and have held that confessions are not admissible in such hearings unless there is a knowing and intelligent waiver of the rights to counsel and to remain silent.
In the present case, petitioner, his mother and his brother all testified that at the time of his arrest neither petitioner nor his mother could read or write. Petitioner and his mother both testified that they were incapable of understanding a Miranda-type warning of legal rights, even if, as Officer Mullins testified, such a warning was read to them. Testimony also showed that neither petitioner nor his mother knew the meaning of words such as “incriminate” and petitioner did not even know what a lawyer was. Following the hearing the trial court ruled as follows:
Well, from the evidence that has been presented to the court it seems apparent that Mrs. Mayabb and Mr. Paul Mayabb neither could.read nor write. No question but that Officer Mullins read to them the document, I don’t question his statement there. I have serious doubts though that it had any real meaning to either. It would appear to the court that it was not a knowledgeable, knowing, understanding waiver, and under this testimony I am going to sustain the objection of counsel as to the confession.
The state argues that the trial court’s ruling was based exclusively on a finding that petitioner could not read or write, and that this alone does not render his statements inadmissible. We cannot agree with the state’s view of the court’s ruling. After reviewing the transcript of the hearing, we are convinced that the trial court could and did find that petitioner and his mother did not comprehend the oral statement of rights. Furthermore, there was testimony to the effect that petitioner requested an explanation and that this was refused, and that petitioner was threatened. Even discounting this evidence on which no express findings were made, we are satisfied that there is ample support in the record for the finding that a voluntary, knowing and intelligent waiver of rights was not made.
In effect the judge stated that he could do nothing other than grant the petition for the writ of habeas corpus for the reason that there was nothing in the record except the card showing petitioner’s juvenile court record. In other words, the only evidence that the state offered consisted of oral statements of the accused made to the officers prior to the time the written statement was prepared. The trial court ruled all of this out and rightly so. Inasmuch as it had been reduced to writing there was certainly good reason to exclude the preliminary admissions that led up to the giving of the confession. However, the state at no time offered the written confession and it is not properly in the record. Prior to oral argument in this appeal, the state filed a motion to correct the record, seeking to add three exhibits inadvertently omitted from the record on appeal. This court granted the motion. One of these “exhibits” was petitioner’s written statement. The Clerk of the District Court, however, refused to certify the written statement because it had never been made a part of that court’s records. It is true that the state delivered the statement to the Clerk of the Court, who forwarded a copy to this court. However, I can say that no one of the panel has read this statement and should not because it was not made a part of the record. The trial court did not even make a ruling on it. The state should have tendered the statement; at least the tender would have made it a part of the record. In short, there is not a scrap of evidence here that would justify a positive ruling in favor of the state. We read the trial court’s conclusory remarks as being, in effect, in the nature of reasons for entering a default judgment against the state.
One further point that the state has argued is that petitioner’s guilty plea serves as a waiver of any claim that his statements are inadmissible. This, of course, is separate and distinct from the question just considered, namely the failure to admit the confession or the oral admissions. No argument based on the legal effect of the guilty plea was made when the trial court was considering the admissibility of the confession or as a part of the state’s motion to reopen. The trial court and the petitioner were at liberty to assume, if the question was considered, that the state had decided not to rely on the guilty plea. It is seldom that we can consider on appeal issues which were not raised in the trial court and we see no legal justification for departing from that rule here.
Our conclusion is that the trial court ruled correctly and in the only way possible in view of the condition of the record and, although we are unenthusiastic about this result, we are constrained to determine the cause on the record which is presented.
For the reasons set forth above we conclude that the judgment granting the writ of habeas corpus must be and is hereby affirmed.
ON REHEARING
The State of Oklahoma, through the Attorney General, Jan Eric Cartwright, has filed a Petition for Rehearing and Suggestion for Rehearing En Banc. The two points which are emphasized in the motion are first, that the state court remedies had not been exhausted. The second point is that the federal trial court erred in excluding the admissions and confessions of defendant at the habeas corpus hearing.
We requested the response to the petition for rehearing from counsel for the petitioner, and the matter stands submitted.
I.
The emphasis here is placed upon the fact that the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals rendered a decision in Edwards v. State, 591 P.2d 313 (Okl.Cr.1979), in which it carved out a new state remedy in the Oklahoma courts for petitioners who were claiming entitlement to the retroactive application of a denial of equal protection in juvenile transfers to adult courts. The contention is that in such circumstances the petitioner must re-exhaust state remedies.
The Edwards decision was rendered February 14, 1979. For the first time Oklahoma gave recognition to age discrimination contained in the Oklahoma statute. The opinion condemned the practice of treating males over the age of 16 years as adults and subject to adult sanctions and procedures. Females between the age of 16 and 18 years were treated as juveniles unless they were certified for trial as adults. Thus, the preEdwards rule was that males between the ages of 16 and 18 could be tried as adults without certification hearings. Females between 16 and 18 were triable as adults, but only if they were certified following a certification hearing. The Edwards court held that this was unconstitutionally discriminatory, in that it was in violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and discriminated against males. The court further held that in proceedings to determine whether retroactive relief could be granted an individual who, during the period between age 16 and 18, was transferred to adult court without certification, could obtain an order in state court overturning his conviction only if a finding was made that the individual would not have been certified if a certification hearing had been held. If such an individual could present such a reason and the state could not establish that the individual would have been certified, then the district court could grant appropriate relief. The remedy itself was narrow but it did wipe out the Oklahoma ruling in Dean v. Crisp, 536 P.2d 961 (Okl.Cr.1975). There the Oklahoma court had held that the effect of several federal court rulings condemning the discriminatory procedure was merely to resurrect an early statute which treated both boys and girls under the age of 16 as juveniles, while those beyond the age of 16 were adults. Thus, it denied juvenile status to all children who were above the age of 16 years. Edwards overruled Dean v. Crisp, supra.
Our decisions in Lamb v. Brown, 456 F.2d 18, and Radcliff v. Anderson, 509 F.2d 1093, preceded the Oklahoma decision in Dean v. Crisp. Bromley v. Crisp, 561 F.2d 1351, was subsequent to Dean v. Crisp. All of the mentioned decisions recognized the discrimination which the Oklahoma courts were practicing. It was not until Edwards overruled Dean v. Crisp that there was a recognizable change. It was during the reign of Dean v. Crisp that the present habeas corpus proceedings came before the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Oklahoma. Following a preliminary hearing, the then Judge, Joseph W. Morris, gave the petitioner 120 days from the date presented in which to secure a state court determination as to whether the petitioner would have been (in 1970) certified as an adult for state criminal prosecution. Judge Morris at that time stated that the state courts unquestionably are qualified because of their expertise and daily experience to make the decision as to whether adult certification should have occurred. However, on that occasion Judge Morris declared that if the state court determination was not submitted to his court within 120 days from the date, the writ would issue unless an extension of time was given. On June 27, 1978, the then Attorney General, Mr. Derryberry, reported to the court with a written notification of state court action, stating that the Attorney General’s office had referred the matter to the District Attorney of Oklahoma County for appropriate action, and that an application to set a hearing was filed by an Assistant District Attorney. Then, on May 23, 1978, the notification stated, the Honorable Harold Theus, presiding Criminal District Judge, entered an order stating that the District Court of Oklahoma County did not have jurisdiction to review the conviction.
The notification went on to say that pursuant to this court’s decision in Bromley v. Crisp, 561 F.2d 1351 (10th Cir. 1977), the State (of Oklahoma) was requesting the United States District Court to conduct a hearing to determine whether or not the petitioner would have been certified to stand trial as an adult. The basic impediment at that time was that the Oklahoma decisions refused to recognize the constitutional violation which resulted from the discrimination.
The Oklahoma Attorney General now argues that the federal courts failed to take into account the strong public interest in certification which the State of Oklahoma had. This is subject to question, but one thing which was plain was that no remedy was available in Oklahoma courts until Edwards was handed down in 1979. Thus, habeas corpus petitions were futile efforts until Edwards.
On November 30, 1978, United States District Judge H. Dale Cook, sitting in the Eastern District of Oklahoma, entered an order which recited that acting on the authority of Bromley v. Crisp, 561 F.2d 1351, cert. denied, 435 U.S. 908, 98 S.Ct. 1458, 55 L.Ed.2d 499, 120 days had been granted for determination by the state court as to whether petitioner would have been certified as an adult for other state prosecution. Judge Cook noted that the 120 days for submission of a state court determination had expired and the Oklahoma court had not decided the issue. Accordingly, respondent was ordered to show cause within 20 days why the writ should not be issued forthwith.
The Oklahoma Attorney General responded that in view of the statement of the District Court of Oklahoma County (which rejected the submission), the State of Oklahoma could not entertain the case because of a lack of jurisdiction. The Attorney General continued: “It is submitted that only the defendant in a criminal action may petition the state district court for a review of the state court conviction. Thus, the failure of petitioner to invoke the jurisdiction of the district court and obtain a state court ruling as to whether he would have been certified should not preclude the State of Oklahoma from petitioning this court (the federal court) for a hearing to be conducted pursuant to the guidelines of Bromley v. Crisp, * * The response continued: “As reflected in Bromley, supra, in note 6 at page 1356, the federal district court may have the hearing and make a ruling as to whether or not the petitioner would have been certified for trial as an adult if the state court fails to make such a ruling.” The Attorney General suggested that the federal court should conduct the hearing to determine whether or not the petitioner would have been certified for trial as an adult.
This is not the situation, as suggested in the motion for rehearing, that an unauthorized assistant attorney general expressed satisfaction in having the federal court decide the issue. Assistants act on behalf of the Attorney General. The Attorney General acknowledged that the State of Oklahoma was unable to invoke the jurisdiction of the state court. The Attorney General stated that the federal courts should determine the crucial issue whether, had it been considered ten years before, a certification to adult court would have issued.
Subsequent to the proceedings that are described above the decision of the Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals in Edwards v. State was handed down. Our decision in Bromley v. Crisp, supra, had recognized that in then-pending habeas cases the federal district court should withhold judgment for a reasonable time to allow the determination to be made in the state courts. If the state obtained a determination that certification would have occurred in the Oklahoma courts, federal district courts should deny the writ; if the state court found otherwise, the writ should issue. 561 F.2d at 1356, fn. 6. In the event no determination was ■ made in the state courts, however, the federal courts were advised to hold hearings “and make the ruling as to whether or not the court is clearly convinced that the petitioner would have been certified for trial as an adult * * Id. This was the setting when Judges Morris and Cook sought to obtain a ruling from the state district court, or failing that, to proceed with the case. No state hearing was either forthcoming or likely and so Judge Cook, with the consent and approval of the Oklahoma Attorney General, proceeded to hear the issue as best he could. The failure of the Attorney General to present a showing is not surprising.
Efforts had been made by the petitioner to submit this remedy in the state court. The petitioner had been denied relief in the Oklahoma district and appeals courts. The federal court submission was not likely to succeed, but the Oklahoma court showed no enthusiasm for having the case. In view of the happenings, it is difficult to see how the State of Oklahoma can now claim that as a result of the Edwards decision there must be further pursuit of a state court decision.
We are not saying that there was a waiver by the state. We are saying that the defendant made a bona fide and adequate effort to pursue and exhaust state remedies, and in view of the action taken by the state, it should not be heard to say that the proceedings were inadequate because of failure to re-exhaust his remedies.
We are aware that supervening changes in federal substantive law require that the state court be given an opportunity to consider petitioner’s contention in light of such changes. Drennon v. Hess, 642 F.2d 1204 (10th Cir. 1981); Franklin v. Conway, 546 F.2d 579 (4th Cir. 1976); James v. Copinger, 428 F.2d 235 (4th Cir. 1970).
Supervening changes in state procedural law have also been held to require that a federal court stay habeas corpus in order to allow re-exhaustion. Cf. Case v. Nebraska, 381 U.S. 336 (1965). See James v. Copinger, supra.
The state relies on Mabry v. Klimas, 448 U.S. 444, 100 S.Ct. 2755, 65 L.Ed.2d 897 (1980). There petitioner had been convicted and sentenced under a recidivist statute. On appeal he successfully argued that some of his prior convictions should not have been admitted into evidence. The State Supreme Court reduced his sentence to the minimum had the inadmissible convictions been excluded. The petitioner there was not satisfied. He filed a habeas corpus in federal court, alleging that the entire sentencing was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court held that he had never exhausted his remedy as to the invalidity of the sentence as a whole. Thus, Mabry is not applicable here because no such problem exists. The state was given ample opportunity to consider and decide the case. Mabry is not a case of re-exhaustion.
The case of Roberts v. LaVallee, 389 U.S. 40, 88 S.Ct. 194,19 L.Ed.2d 41 (1967) bears a closer similarity than anything that is presented by the state. Petitioner in that case had requested a free transcript of the testimony of the key state witness rendered at the preliminary hearing. At every level he asserted his entitlement, through the trial and through post-conviction proceedings. The Second Circuit held that after the highest state court had ruled that denial of free transcripts to indigents was unconstitutional, petitioner might now receive relief in the state court, and that the federal petition ought to be dismissed and re-exhaustion should be required. The Supreme Court reversed, holding that repeated applications to state courts are not required in such circumstances. We say that the case here is governed by Roberts v. LaVallee. It is not seriously disputed that there was exhaustion in this case at the outset. The only point that the state now makes is that Edwards brought about a procedural change requiring re-exhaustion. We disagree in view of the peculiar circumstances presented. First Oklahoma refused to recognize the constitutional violation for many years. Meanwhile, the Attorney General, in effect, conceded that no action was to be expected from the Oklahoma courts and approved a hearing by the federal court. Further exhaustion was likely to prove futile. The Attorney General recognized this fact, as shown by his suggesting that the federal court hear the issue.
II.
The next contention is that the oral and written statements of the petitioner should have been received in evidence at the habeas hearing to determine whether a certification to the district court would have occurred ten years before. These statements constituted the only evidence offered by the state in the hearing before Judge Cook. The only witness on behalf of the state was the officer who conducted the investigation and who questioned the petitioner Mayabb. His testimony was devoted to the circumstances surrounding the taking of the statements, and an effort was made by the Assistant Attorney General to introduce all the oral statements that the accused had given, together with the written statement. Although the written statement was not actually tendered in evidence, the court rejected it, nevertheless, and did so on the ground that Mayabb had not had a lawyer and seemingly did not understand his rights, even though a Miranda warning was given by Sgt. Mullins, who conducted the questioning over a long period of time. The testimony from Mayabb was that he did not understand what the confession was; that he did not understand the wording, including the function of a lawyer, as he was unable to read. He also said that no one read the document to him. He testified that he was seventeen and was a seventh grade drop-out. He denied that he understood the words “right to counsel” nor did he understand the meaning of the word “incriminate”; he never had an attorney, nor had he ever talked to one. His mother testified that she was unable to read or write, and that his father was unable to read or write. She indicated that he did not know what he was signing.
The legal basis for the objection at this collateral hearing was the critical importance of the certification hearing to the juvenile. The conclusiveness of this hearing justified the objection to its admission and its exclusion, even though the issue at stake was not guilt or innocence. The authority relied on was Application of Gault, 387 U.S. 1, 55, 87 S.Ct. 1428, 1458, 18 L.Ed.2d 527; also J. T. P. v. State, 544 P.2d 1270, 1276.
Finally, the only other evidence tendered by the state was the card which purported to show the juvenile court record of the petitioner. The contents of the record were not revealed. The purpose was to show that the records existed.
The Assistant Attorney General, with commendable candor, acknowledged that the evidence bearing on the question of the admissibility of the statement was that the entries on the card could not be verified because the files were shown to have been destroyed. It was said by the Attorney General that “those two (the statement and the card) and I would have to agree with Mr. Gilbert, attorney for the petitioner are very scant ■ reasons for this court to find that Mr. Mayabb would have been certified as an adult, in light of the fact that there are certain due process guarantees which Mr. Mayabb is afforded when he is a juvenile.” An additional statement was made that not much evidence existed to show that he would have been certified; that the district court records had been destroyed, this case having been held ten years before.
It is not surprising that Judge Cook rejected the statements. The state was relying on an invalid confession and invalid admissions as its only evidence in seeking to establish that Mayabb would have been certified. Granted that confessions are generally offered to establish guilt, it does not follow that an invalid confession should be received to justify transfer to district court ten years afterward.
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A further point was tacked on by the Attorney General in the motion for rehearing which was not expressly raised at the hearing. That was that the defendant’s plea of guilty barred him from presenting a collateral attack upon the conviction. This has been discussed in the opinion. It is rendered inadequate by the fact there was not a counseled, intelligent, deliberate understanding waiver of his right to appeal such as to justify the withholding of federal habeas corpus relief. Nor is this a case in which there has been deliberate by-pass of the orderly procedure of state courts, whereby the petitioner - has forfeited his state court remedies. Cf. Fay v. Noia, 372 U.S. 391, 83 S.Ct. 822, 9 L.Ed.2d 837 (1963). Indeed, it is a far cry from anything that faintly resembles any manipulation by the petitioner. Although, as pointed out in the opinion, the state asserts that petitioner had the assistance of counsel in connection with his plea of guilty, the record fails to support this. See Meena v. New York, 423 U.S. 61, 96 S.Ct. 241, 46 L.Ed.2d 195 (1975), including the footnotes on pages 62 and 63, and Blackledge v. Perry, 417 U.S. 21, 94 S.Ct. 2098, 40 L.Ed.2d 628 (1974).
We do not find fault with the Attorney General’s motion for rehearing because of the fact that it resembles a brief more than a petition for rehearing, for it does make as strong a showing as can be made. However, it does not provide a basis for granting a rehearing.
We, therefore, determine that it should be, and it is hereby, denied.
. The petitioner had served approximately ten years in the state prison as of the time of his discharge on habeas corpus writ.
. Under available Oklahoma procedures, the preferred approach set forth in Bromley v. Crisp, supra, at 1356, fn. 6, may be best accomplished by withholding judgment for a reasonable time while the petitioner seeks a state court certification hearing under Edwards. In this case, in accordance with our Bromley guidelines, the district court withheld judgment to permit the state to seek a certification hearing in state court. Neither the requirement that state remedies be exhausted nor principles of sound judicial administration mandated that the district court delay the proceedings yet again to require the petitioner to return to state court after the decision in Edwards.
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[SUMMARY] Reverse the Polarity (#143)
Discussion in 'Ruby' started by Ruby Quiz, Oct 18, 2007.
1. Ruby Quiz
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I was glad to see this problem submitted. I worked on it a ways back when I was
translating examples from Higher-Order Perl. It shows up in the book during the
discussion of infinite streams.
Watching others solve it was great fun because I realized that Ruby Quiz fans
are crazy. A couple of you implemented an almost scary amount of the regular
expression syntax.
Probably the craziest solution comes from Jesús who even shoehorned in
backreferences. Let's take a look at parts of that lengthy solution below.
First, some limitations:
# Number of times to repeat for Star and Plus repeaters
TIMES = 2
# Set of chars for Dot and negated [^] char groups
#CHARS = [("a".."z").to_a, ("A".."Z").to_a, ".", ",", ";"].flatten
CHARS = %w{a b c d e}
# ...
Many regular expressions can match an infinite number of Strings. Consider the
trivial expression /a+/. It matches "a", "aa", "aaa", etc. There are two ways
to handle this practically: limit the repetition or provide an infinite series
of matches user code can explore and stop as needed. Jesús did the former.
These variables control how much repetition is done and what character set is
used for constructs that match any character or any character not included in a
listed subset.
If your are curious to see the infinite streams approach, I wrote about it as
part of this blog post:
http://blog.grayproductions.net/articles/infinite_streams
That solution doesn't include the regular expression parsing code though.
Getting back to Jesús's code, the next section defines several classes in the
categories of repeaters and groups. Groups are pieces of a matched String that
can be generated and repeaters control how many times those groups appear.
Let's begin with a trivial repeater that doesn't really repeat:
# ...
class OneTimeRepeater
def initialize(group)
@group = group
end
def result
@group.result
end
end
# ...
As, you can see, this repeater just wraps some group. The result() of this
repeater is the result of that group, one time. Obviously this is used for
things that don't repeat.
The next repeater should be plenty familiar to regular expression fans though:
# ...
class StarRepeater
def initialize(group)
@group = group
end
def result
r = []
group_res = @group.result
group_res.unshift("")
TIMES.times do
r << group_res
end
combine(r).uniq
end
end
# ...
This would be the repeater used to handle expressions like /a*/. The result of
this repeater is zero or more occurrences of the group it was passed.
Practically speaking here that means between one and TIMES copies of the group
or the empty String to represent zero. We see this collected into an Array here
and passed on to combine() for generation.
The PlusRepeater, QuestionMarkRepeater and RangeRepeater classes are constructed
similarly. In the interests of space and time, I'm not going to show those
here.
Now we are ready for the groups. Again we begin with the trivial cases:
# ...
class SingleChar
def initialize(c)
@c = c
end
def result
[@c]
end
end
# ...
class Dot
def result
CHARS
end
end
# ...
Here we see groups that echo a character and represent a special range of
characters as their results. Obviously the first is used for literal chunks of
an expression, like /a/, and the second is used for the special regular
expression character /./.
Let's examine the group used to represent alternations like /a|b/:
# ...
class OrGroup
def initialize(first_groupset, second_groupset)
@first = first_groupset
@second = second_groupset
end
def result
strings = @first.map {|x| x.result}
s = combine(strings)
strings = @second.map {|x| x.result}
s.concat(combine(strings))
end
end
# ...
Since the result()s of a group are just the possible generations of that group,
alternation can be represented as the left choices plus the right choices.
That's what we see here.
Jesús's code includes other groups: CharGroup for character classes,
MultiGroup for nesting groups and managing reference counts, and BackReference
for supporting the regular expression feature of the same name. I'm going to
skip over these too, to keep the size of this summary reasonable.
Now let's have a look at the combine() method I've glossed over twice now:
# ...
# Combines arrays, concatenating each string
# merging the possible groups they have
# Starts combining the first two arrays, then goes on
# combining each other array to the result of the
# previous combination
def combine(arrays)
string = arrays.inject do |r, rep|
temp = []
r.each {|aa| rep.each {|bb| temp << (aa.concat_and_merge_groups(bb))}}
temp
end
string
end
class String
attr_accessor :filled_groups
def add_filled_group(num, group)
@filled_groups ||= {}
@filled_groups[num] = group
end
def concat_and_merge_groups(other)
temp = self + other
groups = {}
groups.merge!(self.filled_groups) if self.filled_groups
groups.merge!(other.filled_groups) if other.filled_groups
temp.filled_groups = groups
temp
end
end
# ...
The combine() method just turns an Array of group result()s into the actual
combinations of Strings. So given [%w[a b], %w[c d]] it outputs %w[ac ad bc
bd].
The String additions here that are tracking groups were added to support
backreferences. This was a challenging feature to support and it required
hooking into the code at many levels. I don't want to focus on it too much
though since it wasn't a critical part of the quiz so much as an impressive
extra Jesús managed to include.
The next method we need to look at is the parser. I'm going to trim some of it
because it's quite long, but you should still get to see how it's put together:
# ...
class Regexp
attr_reader :num_groups
def parse(s, i = 0)
repeaters = []
group = nil
while i < s.length
char = s.chr
case char
# ...
when '.'
group = Dot.new
when '|'
groups, i = parse(s, i + 1)
group = OrGroup.new(repeaters, groups)
return [group], i
# ...
else
group = SingleChar.new(char)
end
repeater = nil
i += 1
if i < s.length
case s.chr
when '*'
repeater = StarRepeater.new(group)
# ...
else
repeater = OneTimeRepeater.new(group)
i -= 1
end
i += 1
else
repeater = OneTimeRepeater.new(group)
end
repeaters << repeater
end
return repeaters, i
end
# ...
As you can see, this is a recursive character by character parser. It reads
through the expression finding groups and wrapping those in repeaters, with
whatever level of nesting is required. This builds up an Abstract Syntax Tree
for the expression.
Let's see how this gets put to use to create the quiz solution method:
# ...
def generate
@num_groups = 0
r = self.inspect[1..-2]
repeaters, _ = self.parse(r)
strings = repeaters.map {|x| x.result}
s = combine(strings)
# Makes a pass for the backreferences
s.each do |string|
string.gsub!(/__(\d+)__/) do |match|
string.filled_groups[$1.to_i]
end
end
s
end
end
The process here is very simple: pull the source of the expression, parse it
into the AST, generate the result() of the AST, and combine() those Strings into
the needed Array of matches. Again, the rest of the code here is used to
substitute backreferences back into the end results.
Jesús also included another method that pretty-printed and verified results,
but I won't go into that here.
As usual I don't want you to miss out on the other solutions. James Koppel used
currying to build up an AST of functions. Vasil Vangelovski sent in a slow but
unique approach that works on all regular expressions without even parsing them.
Do take the time to inspect the solutions. It's worth it.
My thanks to all who poured so much effort into this quiz. You are all
fearless.
Tomorrow we will take a stab at slicing up time...
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Botox Injection: In some case botox injection is prescribed3. It may reduce the pain of trigeminal neuralgia.
Miscellaneous Drugs: Oxcarbazepine is a newer drug which has a similar structure to carbamazepine .it is used as a first line drug because of fewer side effects2.
Surgery is considered as the option to permanently cure this condition. Surgery used for treating trigeminal neuralgia includes rhizotomy and microvascular decompression. Rhizotomy is of various types such as Glycerol injection rhizotomy, Balloon compression rhizotomy, and Radiofrequency thermal lesioning rhizotomy.
Trigeminal neuralgia is also known as tic douloureaux1. It is one of the most painful conditions in human. Basically, it is a nerve disorder in which the affected part is trigeminal nerve (fifth of 12 pairs of cranial nerves in the head) due to nerve irritation or damage. This is mainly caused on the one side of the face but in the rare chance, it affects both sides of the face. Approximately 14000 people affected in United states1. It is common in men and women. The affected areas are the forehead, cheek, nose, teeth, gum lip, and rarely in eyes, etc.
Cause Of Trigeminal Neuralgia
In trigeminal neuralgia, the function of the nerve is disturbed. The main cause of this disorder is the pressure on the nerve or irritation due to contact between the blood vessels and trigeminal nerve.
• It may also be due to hard brushing and applying makeup on the face.
• Surgical & dental injury, trauma also causes trigeminal neuralgia’
• Tumor or cyst may also lead to this condition.
• Multiple sclerosis damages the Muslim sheath of nerves. This results in increased sensitivity of trigeminal nerve against the compression of blood vessels.
In some patients, trigeminal neuralgia is caused by arteriovenous malformations.
Conclusion
Triggers that can initiate or worsen trigeminal neuralgia includes eating, washing face, drinking cold liquids, speaking, and brushing. The intensity of pain increases as the disease progresses.
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A sore achilles tendon might be bothersome especially if you’re living an active lifestyle. I’ll help you deal with that problem in this article.
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For people on the go and people who workout often, sore and aching muscles are nothing unusual. And one of the most usual recipient of that aching sensation is the achilles tendon.
However, letting the soreness naturally ebb away might sometimes take longer than it should. For times like this, it’s important that you know how to overcome your sore achilles tendon. Because this might impend your daily tasks and responsibilities.
You might think to yourself, how do I overcome my sore Achilles tendon?
Who knows? The remedy to your sore muscles might be found just in the comforts of your own home. It is important that you know how to detect early signs of Achilles Tendonitis and how to cure it. This will prevent your situation from getting any worse.
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Causes of a Sore Achilles Tendon
The achilles tendon attaches your heel bone to your calf muscles. Hence, excessive running or walking can lead to soreness. This is because this tendon receives a lot of stress and weight from your body.
Furthermore, your chances of having a sore achilles tendon increases if you’re into sports that requires a lot of pivot action. An example would be tennis and basketball.
Soreness can also occur if you don’t make a habit of warming up your feet before running or playing. The quality and fitting of your shoes also have an effect.
Personally, I had a sore achilles caused by a mix of bad habits (I don’t do warm ups) and rugged basketball practice everyday. Although it definitely was lighter compared to other injuries such as a sprained ankle, pain still lingers. Thus, it affects your overall daily routine even when you’re just walking. What’s worse, if you’re in the field of training and sports, having one can severely delay the progress of your game. Sore achilles are serious enough for professional sports team to list a player inactive if he or she is suffering from one.
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How to Overcome Your Sore Achilles Tendon
Although an inflamed Achilles tendon sounds really scary, it is actually pretty simple to cure at home. That is, if detected and treated early. You must get yourself checked at the first sign of discomfort in your heels and Achilles tendon.
You can get yourself checked through an X-ray, ultrasound or an MRI scanner. However, should you need instant remedies at home to reduce the pain and swelling, here are several methods on how to overcome your sore Achilles tendon.
(These might not completely or permanently cure your sore Achilles’ tendons so it’s best to still get proper diagnosis and treatment.)
#1 Rice Method
Things you will need:
• Crutches (optional)
• Ice/cold compress
• Tie/cloth (this will used to tie the bag of ice or ice compress to your Achilles tendon)
• Bandage/athlete’s tape
The rice method actually doesn’t use rice or any grains of some sort. It is an abbreviation which stands for: Rest, Ice, Compress and Elevate.
Rest. Just like any other inflammations in the body, rest is very much needed to avoid straining any muscles further. This will help the strain heal faster. Ideally, it’s best not to apply any pressure at all on your sore tendons by not walking, running or exercising for a good one to two days. However, if you can’t help it, you can always use crutches.
Ice. When staying at home, it’s best to out cold compress on your sore Achilles tendon. You can simply use a cold compress or put ice in a bag (can be a towel or cloth) then tie or wrap it around the inflamed area. This will gelp reduce soreness and swelling as it relaxes the muscles.
Compression. You can do this by simply putting a cloth, bandage or an athlete’s tape around the area which is swelling. Tying something around it will help keep the swelling to a minimum. That’s compression!
However, beware of tying it too tight. This might restrict your blood flow in that area. This is my least favorite part in this method as I tend to apply too much pressure when tying knots. It ends up getting too painful.
If you have a hard time doing this by yourself, you can always just ask somebody else with gentler hands to do it for you.
Elevate. Whenever you’re sleeping or lying down, elevate your legs/feet higher than your chest. This will help your blood flow smoothly from your feet back to your heart and thus reduce swelling. You can simply use a pillow to do this.
#2 Medical Treatment
Some people with severe cases of Achilles Tendonitis undergo physical therapy or wear leg braces. Some even undergo surgery, especially when the tendon is already ruptured. But then, let’s all hope and try our best not reach this point, shall we?
At the End of the Day…
Do note that the remedies we listed above aren’t everything you can try. You can opt for just simple anti-inflammatory medications like Ibuprofen and Aspirin. Or wear shoes with built-in heels in the, to lessen the everyday pressures of walking on your heels.
In the end, prevention is still better than cure. If we can avoid sore Achilles tendons, it’s best that we should, right? Nothing beats a perfectly functional set of legs and feet.
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Talk:Tehran Stock Exchange/GA2
GA Reassessment
The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.''
Of the six criteria required of a Good Article, I believe that Tehran Stock Exchange fails in at least two. I do not believe that the article is as well written as one might hope. The article contains puffery, unsupported attributions, and relative time references, in addition to assertions and terminology not wholly appropriate to a discussion of a major financial institution. A section-by-section edit might bring clarity and more competent language to the article, should a seasoned editor with experience in financial matters care to undertake the task.
Factual accuracy is also a concern. Although the presence of dead or broken URLs is not a valid reason for a GAR, the need for verifiable and reliable sources is one of the key policies of Wikipedia. Of this article's first twenty-five references, seven were found to be dead or broken links. Those seven dead/broken references were used thirty-six times within the article. An eighth reference, to a nine year old news article, was used to support the validity of events that took place more than half a decade after the article was written. It appears that many more references fail the "Reliable Source" test. An editor with extensive experience in referencing could bring order and credibilty back to this article, should one care to undertake the task. There is also a need to update the information contained within this article, since it appears that much of the information has not been edited in several years, and may no longer be accurate.
Although this is an individual GAR, I will keep this matter open for the next five weeks for comments and review. Gulbenk (talk) 00:30, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
* You said: "The article contains puffery, unsupported attributions, and relative time references, in addition to assertions and terminology not wholly appropriate to a discussion of a major financial institution." I don't see ANY. Can you give more specifics? -- You can also use REFLINKS to update references/broken links. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 22:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
* Any updates on the progress of this GAR? AIR corn (talk) 11:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
* Only the one response. I was hoping for more participation. But I may just have to go with what I have Gulbenk (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
* Aircorn:
* I should have added a thanks for your earlier edit to the article. Any comments or additional edits that you might have would be greatly appreciated, before we conclude this GAR (in the next 48 hours). And if you take an opposing view, all the better. Gulbenk (talk) 17:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
* To be honest one response is about average for these unless you decide to reassess a popular article. Apart from informing the Wikiprojects and major participants there is not much else that you can do to get participation up. My edit to the article followed a general screening of Good articles with cleanup tags (found here). I have no knowledge on this topic so there is not much I can do beyond the superficial. Looking at it the presence of all the external links in the body is problematic, although relatively easy to fix. Overall it doesn't look bad (not the worst I have seen), but I don't know whether it can be called Good. As you rightly state deadlinks in themselves are not a reason to delist, but if they interfer with criteria 2b ("direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons") then that is a reason. I guess it would be nice to give some examples of puffery, unsupported attributions, and relative time references for the IP and maybe see if they are interested in working on it. At the end of the day it is not the end of the world if it is delisted as it can be nominated again at any time and it doesn't reduce the actual quality of the article. AIR corn (talk) 05:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
GAR Findings
A Good Article Reassessment was undertaken on December 22, 2012. On that date, notification of the GAR was sent to major contributors. A statement outlining the reasons for reassessment was posted to the GAR page, and that statement was transluded onto the article TALK page. Comments were solicited over a eight week review period. Findings from that reassessment are as follows:
* 1.Well-written? - Concerns were presented that the article, as written, has certain shortcomings. Puffery should be addressed. Statements about market movements using words like "meltdown", "surge", and "plunged" are overly dramatic. So, too, are remarks about "exceptional performance", "staggering growth rates", and "huge amounts of idle money". There are also relative time references, such as "recent years" (which appear to be not-so-recent) and "now" (when, 2004?), and a "crisis in the market leading to certain meltdowns until today" (which sounds both dramatic and never ending). Unsupported attributions were also addressed in the initial GAR outline statement. Of lesser concern is the blending of British English and American English within the text. These shortcomings persist. As mentioned initially, a section-by-section edit might bring clarity and economy of expression to the article, if a seasoned editor cares to undertake that task. The article, while good on balance, falls just short of being well written.
* 2.Factually accurate and verifiable? - At the onset of the reassessment it was stated that numerous references (used thirty-six times within the article) were either dead or broken. And that, although the presence of dead or broken URLs is not a valid reason for a GAR, the need for verifiable and reliable sources is one of the key policies of Wikipedia. This inability to verify the truth of numerous statements within the article calls into question factual accuracy. An editor with extensive experience in referencing could bring order and credibilty back to this article, should one care to undertake the task. There is also a need to update the information contained within this article, since it appears that much of the information has not been edited in several years, and may no longer be accurate. The article, as it stands, can not be said to be factually accurate and verifiable.
* 3.Broad in its coverage? - The article addresses a broad number of issues.
* 4.Neutral? - This article appears to have achieved neutrality and balance.
* 5.Stability? - This article has undergone 100 separate revisions since October 13, 2011. Additional editing is needed, to implement general improvements. In the absence of edit warring and excessive vandalism this article can be accepted as stable.
* 6.Illustrated? - The article does not contain any photographs or maps. However, it does contain both graphs and information boxes to graphically highlight points made within the body of the text. The article is properly illustrated.
Upon reassessment, this article, while quite good in many aspects, does not achieve two of the six criteria required for the designation of Good Article. Gulbenk (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Comments:
I notice that it would have taken less time to fix those small problems than to write your entire analysis here. Factual accuracy is NOT into question as per your remark above. The |Reflinks tool can be used to repair broken links. I know you know how to use this tool from your edits, despite the fact that you seem to be a relatively recent editor as per your edit history (unless this is a bogus account here). In fact you have failed to give us ANY specifics so other editors can assist you with the editing (despite being asked by myself and another editor above). Dead links by themselves are NOT a reason for delisting here since ALL facts reported in this article are accurate (unless you can point to any specifics). "exceptional performance" and other similar words are not "puffery" as per your comments above. This is a VERIFIABLE FACT as per cited sources. The Tehran Stock exchange has been "one of the best performing stock exchanges over the past few years (2002-2011)". Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 06:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC) | WIKI |
Redux Fundamentals (feat. React)
Redux Stores & Reducers
Steve Kinney
Steve Kinney
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Redux Fundamentals (feat. React)
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Steve demonstrates creating a simple reducer, using the createStore method, and discusses the parts of the createStore method including getState and replaceReducer. A reducer will take in state and action as arguments and return the new state.
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[00:00:00]
>> Let's take a look at the main event here. The other ones we'll see as well. You can guess what apply, middleware does. We need some action creators before we can bind some action creators, so on so forth. What we'll do at this point is what if we went ahead and let's go ahead and make a store.
[00:00:19]
So I'll go ahead and I will say const store = createStore. And I will just warn you right now this isn't gonna go well. Luckily for us, if you look over on the right, the answer there is pretty good, right? Or at least the error message is pretty good, which is expected the reducer to be a function, right?
[00:00:42]
And so we can kinda see in here, we hit createStore. We can go ahead and we can see that it's expecting a reducer as the first argument. It'll also take some other arguments as well. It's pretty flexible with what it takes. There's only one real requirement that it takes a reducer.
[00:00:59]
Now, I had some questions about use of reducer before. So can anyone give me the kind of high level of what a reducer is?
>> Stuff gets in something comes out.
>> All right, I think that's actually wildly good to work with. So pure function, stuff comes in, stuff comes out.
[00:01:18]
Actually, that works really great. Really two things go in and one thing comes out. And so while reducers seem like, okay, we gave something a fancy name, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is complicated. The kinda high level of what a reducer does is a function where two things go in, the state of the world.
[00:01:37]
So a JavaScript object that represent everything that's happening in your application, right? All the kind of important stuff, whether or not a modal is open or close, maybe not. But any kind of the actual model state of your application is in one giant JavaScript object. And then occasionally, things happen.
[00:01:57]
Users click buttons, network requests come back, different things go on. They change routes within the application, so on and so forth. Things happen, so you take the state of the world, which is a JavaScript object. You take a thing that happened, which is a JavaScript object. And they both go in there together.
[00:02:16]
And only one thing comes out, a new state of the world, right? So if you take everything that's happening, and then you add whatever new event just went down, how does that affect the state of our application? Sometimes the answer is not at all, right? We'll see a new to-do coming on the to-do list doesn't change the current user, okay?
[00:02:41]
So then we return the same user, so on and so forth. But generally speaking, there are different things that happen as events happen in an application. We wanna figure out what that actually means. So all these is a function that takes two arguments. It will take state and action, and it will spit out a new state, all right?
[00:02:58]
And it's just a plain old JavaScript function. So let's go back to kind of our code example before, and we could make one in line. But we could also theoretically just make the world's simplest reducer. And by the world's simplest, I mean a reducer that kinda barely does anything.
[00:03:15]
So we'll say a reducer, and like I said before, it takes the state of the world as the first argument. And we'll come up with some initial state that we'll use in a second. So we'll say initialState = { value: 0 }, and it'll take some action. And all it's gonna do immediately is going to return that state back out.
[00:03:41]
Which what we're basically saying here is, okay, no matter what happens, nothing changes, which is a little pessimistic, but it's fine. We'll improve upon that. We'll make some change in the world in a little bit. So this is a reducer, and if we clear out the sidebar over here, which has been reloading for me a bunch of times.
[00:04:02]
I can even console log the store. And you see we're not getting that error anymore cuz we gave it a reducer. Now, it itself has four different methods as well. And we'll kind of talk about some of those in a second. Does anyone wanna take a wild guess of what replace reducer does?
[00:04:26]
>> I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that it replaces the current reducer. [LAUGH]
>> Tell him what he's won. [LAUGH] Yeah, all it does is that function you passed in, replace reducer takes one argument, which is a new reducer and it swaps it out. Why would you ever wanna do this?
[00:04:44]
We're gonna see, yeah.
>> Is it used for code splitting?
>> Exactly, exactly, it's used for code splitting. Later on, we saw that one of the helpers that we didn't pull in here just yet was combined reducers, right? Cuz you can imagine a world where having one function that controls all the updates to, say, your applications is not gonna scale, right?
[00:05:06]
So combined reducers allows you to kinda split it out into smaller reducers that it then combines. We'll see it in a little bit. But you can see a world where you might have only the initial reducers that you need, that you combined into what you give to redux.
[00:05:20]
And then later on, as they load in more code through code splitting, you would just simply swap out the reducer with one that has the additional reducers combined into it, right? So all it does is it takes one reducer and swaps it out for another one. So now we're even 25% of the way through the store, and we'll see some of these in practice.
[00:05:38]
But let's go for a bonus round real quick, which is what do we think getState does?
>> You get the state?
>> Yeah, you get the state, right? You have a store, it holds the entire state in your application. Occasionally, you're going to need it to determine what should be passed to components, right?
[00:05:57]
So we'll take a look at some of that as well. We need to talk a little bit about what an action is, right? Because one of the things that makes this whole reducer pattern a little bit different is it's not just like we call methods on the store object and it changes stuff, right?
[00:06:13]
We saw in the reducer, the state of the world goes in, the action goes in. Well, how do we tell the store, hey, here's an action, go into the reducer and figure out what you should do about it, right? That's gonna be that dispatch function. So let's go ahead and we'll just make a action real quick.
[00:06:34]
I will actually call this one, just for our own clarity, we'll call it incrementAction, and, Great, this is all that you need for an action. There's only one requirement for actions. That one requirement is that it has a type. Because if you're gonna say that something happened and you're gonna ask the reducer to see if the world changed.
[00:06:59]
It's only polite to tell a redux what type of thing just happened, rather than be like, yeah, something happened. That's not particularly fun. So the only requirement is that there is a type. Now, after that, it is up to you what you wanna put on the rest of that object.
[00:07:17]
However, you can imagine a world where if everyone on your team does whatever you want and puts whatever on an object, you will all slowly learn to hate each other, right? So there are a bunch of ways to handle this. The pattern that we use at Twilio is what's called flux standard actions.
[00:07:35]
Its redux is based on flux. The history lesson is not important. But it's basically just an agreed upon set of properties to put on an action. Again, but only if you need them. The only thing that redux requires is that you have a type. The other things that you might see is a payload.
[00:07:51]
And a payload can be an object or could be, like in this case, we're gonna increment by 5 every time, the payload could be 5. But if there's more than one thing that you need, you can use a JavaScript object as well. So it can be a JavaScript object with many properties.
[00:08:04]
So if you're just saying, okay, I wanna add this to-do to that user, you're probably gonna need to tell the reducer what to-do and what user. But if it's just increment, you can say 5. The other one is meta, which is just kind of any other information about the action.
[00:08:17]
And then there could be possibly an error property if there was some kind of error that you need to know about, right? For the majority of this workshop, we're gonna worry about type and payload, right? Those are the two things that we predominantly care about and we'll use as this goes along.
[00:08:33]
Right now we're only gonna stick with the type.
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Talk:Hartig net
The claim that Robert Hartig discovered the Hartig net has been propagated through Wikipedia like a virus. Apparently people who write it get all their information from Wikipedia and recycle it. The Hartig net is named after his father Theodor Hartig, who described it in 1842. Two of many sources:
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Lichen
The mention of lichens should be removed altogether. Lichens are a very different symbiotic system. The citation given here is a review that broadly covers many symbiotic systems, and is inappropriate unless used to cite specific information that it provides regarding ECM fungi Forestfungi (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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Bat Motor Manufacturing Co.
The Bat Motor Manufacturing Co. Ltd was a British motorcycle manufacturer that operated between 1902 and 1926. Significant innovations developed by the company included one of the first motorcycle suspension systems, with a leading link front fork and a subframe suspended on springs from the main frame.
History
Founded in 1902, the Bat Motor Manufacturing Co. Ltd was named after founder Samuel Robert Batson. Based in Penge, the first Bat motorcycle used a small 2.5 hp de Dion engine but poor sales led to Batson selling the company to Theodore Tessier in 1904. Nicknamed 'Best After Tests,' two Bat motorcycles were entered in the 1907 Isle of Man TT races. The company produced the first sprung frame in 1906 and in 1908 developed one of the first sidecar outfits, with two powered wheels on a removable sidecar. Tessier was also an innovator and keen to develop motorcycling technology. Significant innovations included one of the first practical clutch mechanisms and he also patented one of the first motorcycle full suspension systems, with a leading link front fork and a subframe suspended on springs from the main frame. To raise awareness of the motorcycles, Tessier began serious competitive racing and achieved over 200 wins, setting numerous speed records. Bat also developed twin-cylinder motorcycles in 1912 and managed seventh place in the 1913 Senior TT. Production ended with the outbreak of the First World War but restarted in 1919. They took over Martinsyde Motorcycles in 1923 but financial difficulties led to the closure of the Bat-Martinsyde company in 1926.
Car production
Bat also produced a number of tricars, with a wicker passenger seat over the front axle. The single-cylinder engines were usually 3 hp or 6 hp. By 1904 a number of cars were produced using a 6 hp 2-cylinder Fafnir engine and a seat for the driver instead of the usual saddle, with a semi-enclosed wooden body for a passenger. In 1909 Bat introduced the Carcycle, which was similar to a motorcycle and sidecar but had four wheels and handlebar steering. | WIKI |
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How To Use Electric Toothbrush
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Nokia selected for Medusa subsea cable system to bring new connectivity across Europe and North Africa
Press Release Nokia selected for Medusa subsea cable system to bring new connectivity across Europe and North Africa
The Medusa subsea cable is a new transformative, open-access infrastructure connecting North Africa and Europe with high-capacity fiber links.
The deployment will bring faster, more reliable connectivity to millions, enabling 5G, cloud, and AI-era technologies, and laying the foundation for a more inclusive and innovative digital future across the region.
This network is powered by Nokia’s 1830 Global Express (GX) platform and ICE7 coherent optics to deliver services with industry-leading reach, performance and capacity across two continents.
28 July 2025 Espoo, Finland – Nokia today announced that it will power the Medusa submarine cable system, a project owned by AFR-IX Telecom. The groundbreaking and new subsea fiber-optic network will connect the Atlantic coast, Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea, creating a new high-capacity digital corridor in the region, driving connectivity, innovation, and economic growth across the region.
The Medusa subsea cable is a significant step toward closing the digital divide between Europe and North Africa, connecting countries such as Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, and Egypt with high-capacity fiber-optic links. Designed as an open-access system, Medusa provides telecom providers across the region access to advanced connectivity services, supporting the rollout of 5G, the growth of cloud infrastructure, and the increasing bandwidth demands of AI and future technologies. Leveraging Nokia’s 1830 GX Series platform and advanced ICE7 coherent optics, capable of transmitting tens of terabits per second per fiber pair, the Medusa subsea cable system is equipped to deliver high-capacity, low-latency connectivity with optimal cost and power efficiency per transmitted bit.
“Medusa is laying the groundwork for a more connected and inclusive digital future. With Nokia’s subsea optical solution, we will be able to deliver greater value to our customers by offering faster, more reliable connectivity at a lower cost, with the flexibility to scale as needs evolve. This partnership ensures we meet the demands of today while building a strong, future-ready infrastructure for tomorrow,” said Miguel Angel Acero, CTO and Founder of Medusa.
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88 men of the earliest prehistoric ages were social beings and lived in tribes, as monkeys and numerous other gregarious animals do to this day. Each band had its leader, who guided and defended it, and without doubt was the strongest individual of the tribe. In the early dawn of civilization whose reflection rests upon the most ancient portions of the Bible, the Vedas, and the sacred books of the Chinese, the family was the foundation of society, and the patriarch the natural ruler, judge and adviser of his family and descendants. As men increased in number the families grew until they became tribes. The father of the family was succeeded by the chief who ruled the tribe; whose authority was founded upon the fiction that all the members of the tribe were of his blood―a fiction which is even at the present day, the foundation of the clan attachments and customs of the Scotch—and partly upon the more tangible and reliable grounds, upon which herds of cattle select their leaders, that is upon his superiority, which might be due to either greater physical force or energy, or to the possession of greater wealth in flocks, pastures, implements or servants. In this phase the difference in rank between ruler and ruled is comparatively slight, and the sources of pre-eminence are apparent to everyone. He is obeyed by his son from motives of affection and respect, by the weak,, because he is strong and inspires fear, and by the poor from hope of gain, because he is rich. The right to inherit this pre-eminence was hardly recognized at this period. The actual possession of the means of power, sufficed theoretically and practically to show his right to it. No supernatural element had entered into these simple relations to complicate them; he ruled because he had the power, and the tribe obeyed because they chose or were obliged to. As civilization developed however, the leader found it necessary to | WIKI |
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GPS augmentation system
A system that improves the accuracy of the GPS satellite navigation system. A satellite's positioning accuracy is impeded by errors in its clock and signal delays caused by atmospheric conditions. Also called a "differential GPS" (DGPS), an augmentation system compensates for those discrepancies by transmitting corrections to the GPS receivers either via satellite or terrestrial radio. Instead of the normal GPS accuracy, which is approximately 15 to 70 feet, augmented systems pinpoint a location within a range of two to 10 feet, depending on the system, and as little as four inches in the case of commercial systems.
They Work Because of Known Locations
An augmentation system uses earth stations that have been very carefully surveyed, and their exact locations are known with great precision. As they receive signals from the GPS satellites, they are compared with the values they should be receiving, and the differences are used to calculate corrections. The corrections are transmitted either to the GPS receivers via geostationary satellites or terrestrial radio.
Space Based Vs. Ground Based
A space-based augmentation system (SBAS), also called a "wide area augmentation system," transmits corrections to one or more geostationary satellites, which have a wide footprint on earth. The augmentation satellites rotate with the earth and are always in a fixed location above the earth, unlike the GPS satellites, which revolve around the earth. The predominant space-based systems are WAAS in the U.S., CDGPS in Canada, EGNOS in Europe and MSAS in Japan (see WAAS, CDGPS, EGNOS and MSAS).
There are also commercial space-based systems such as OmniSTAR (www.omnistar.com), Fugro (www.fugro.com) and StarFire (www.navcomtech.com/StarFire), which can pinpoint a location with extreme accuracy. Used in the oil, gas, mining and construction industries as well as agriculture, such systems require specialized receivers, not the in-dash navigation systems found in automobiles.
A ground-based augmentation system (GBAS) uses radio towers to transmit corrections to the GPS receiver. There are hundreds of ground-based augmentation systems around the world transmitting in a wide variety of frequencies, from 162.5 kHz to 2.95 MHz. In the U.S., the Nationwide Differential GPS ( NDGPS) system is a major example. See GPS, LORAN, Galileo and Selective Availability.
GPS Augmentation
A GPS receiver can obtain corrections from space-based or ground-based augmentation systems. The receivers must be specialized for each type of correction service, and many earlier receivers used only the GPS signals. This illustration highlights only the receiver signal paths. Each system comprises numerous earth stations and terrestrial processing centers. | ESSENTIALAI-STEM |
Marina Budhos
Marina Budhos is an American writer.
Biography
Marina Budhos was born in Queens, New York to an Indo-Guyanese father and a Jewish American mother. Both her parents were teachers. They met when her father was working in the Indian Consulate in New York in the 1950s. Budhos attended Cornell University where she graduated magna cum laude in English. She then completed her master's degree at Brown University. Budhos married Marc Aronson on September 14, 1997.
Budhos has been published in numerous publications, including The Nation, Ms. Magazine, LitHub, Ploughshares, The Kenyon Review and Asian Pacific American Journal. Budhos has won several awards for her writing. She received an NEA in Literature, an EMMA (Exceptional Merit Media Award), and a Rona Jaffe Award for Women Writers. She has also been honored with an Asian/Pacific American Award for Literature and a Walter Award. Budhos won three Fellowships from New Jersey's Council on the Arts. Budhos went to India as a Fulbright Scholar and is currently a professor emerita at William Paterson University. She has taught at Vassar College, Eugene College, the New School, and the City College of New York. | WIKI |
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Wikipedia:POTD column/November 21, 2006
The apricot (Prunus armeniaca) is a fruit-bearing tree native to China. It is related to the plum, and classified with it in the subgenus Prunus of the genus Prunus. The fruit (pictured here) appears similar to a peach or nectarine, with a colour ranging from yellow to orange and sometimes a red cast; its surface is smooth and nearly hairless. Apricots are stone fruit (drupes), and have only one seed each, often called a "stone".
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Twitter, United Airlines and girls in spandex leggings: How your Sunday #content gets made
It's Sunday. Do you have a spare minute to watch a $36 billion corporation get swamped by Twitter? Here you go. This morning, Twitter user Shannon Watts reported that girls that were supposed to be on a Denver to Minneapolis flight weren't allowed to board until they changed out of spandex leggings. Some of the girls changed their clothes, and others never got on the flight, Watts said: More from Recode: Watts isn't just an average Twitter user. She's the founder of Moms Demand Action, a gun-control group formed after the Sandy Hook shootings. She doesn't have a Kanye-sized following, but . Former New York City mayor Mike Bloomberg follows her. So does Clara Jeffery, the editor-in-chief of Mother Jones. I first saw her tweets picked up by Certified Media Influencer (and Code Media speaker) Felix Salmon. Sometimes, this is the part of the story where a Bigco's social media team leaps into action to defuse the situation. Something along the lines of "Thanks for your note, we'll look into it." But this is a different version of the tale. United's Twitter doubled down, telling Watts the company had the right to enforce a dress code: They also repeated the argument to other Twitter users who had picked up on Watts' story. Here are some screenshots in case United ever rethinks this approach: Some important caveats to consider at this point. For the time being, we've only heard a single version of this tale, from Watts. We also don't know if United's Twitter response represents the entire company or a single member of United's Twitter team; most of the United responses seem to come from a single rep, using the initials "FS." But now, it doesn't matter. It's a thing, on Twitter. It's also a thing on Twitter on a Sunday, where Donald Trump seems to have been relatively restrained (just a single blast), so we have time. Oh, also: It's about airline travel. So now we're off. Here's a story from the Minneapolis Star Tribune, where it qualifies as local news. The Strib has presumably sent reporters to interview passengers once they land, so we can assume there will be a second story. Or at least an update. But the great thing about a Twitter story is that everyone can share a Twitter story. Twitter wants you to share it: That's why they've made this stuff embeddable. So here are People, New York Magazine, and the Washington Post. The Daily Mail is built for this. Note that most of the stories don't use hedge words like "allegedly" or "reportedly" in the headline. Hedge words make for boring headlines! Here is a good headline, from the Washington Post: "Two girls barred from United flight for wearing leggings." Democracy dies in darkness but we can't keep the lights on without #content. And you and me, reader, we're all in this together: I made a story about a Twitter story, and you're here, reading my Twitter story. Maybe you'll share it. (Please share it!) This one will keep going for a while. In the time that it took me to get this post ready for publication, Shannon Watts has started up her feed again, and she's using it to tangle with both United and other Twitter users: I've asked United for comment, of course. If they provide one, maybe I'll get a second post out of it. "United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the two who were turned away were standby "pass riders," meaning they were traveling as relatives of an employee, and their "attire did not meet our [more strict] pass travel requirements. ... They are representing United Airlines." Guerin said he had no information about the younger girl in leggings and whether she was given the same ultimatum, but he but said the gate agent would have had the discretion to decide whether the girl was dressed properly before boarding. But in general, for travelers who are not relatives of employees, Guerin said, "If you are a customer and want to wear your yoga pants, welcome aboard." —By Peter Kafka, Re/code.net. CNBC's parent NBCUniversal is an investor in Recode's parent Vox, and the companies have a content-sharing arrangement. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
Tuqan Man
The Tuqan Man consists of human remains found on San Miguel Island off the coast of California in 2005. The skull and bones of a man buried between 9,800 and 10,200 years ago were exposed by beach erosion on this westernmost of the Channel Islands. The remains were encountered and preserved in 2005 by University of Oregon archaeologists. The remains were dated by way of radiocarbon dating and evaluation of artifacts which had been intentionally buried with him. Analysis of the bones indicated that he was in his forties when he died, and had spent time some distance east of what is now the Santa Barbara coastal region. It was not possible to extract the Tuqan Man's DNA, though increasingly better testing techniques and methods became available and were utilized over the 12 years that passed after his original discovery. The remains return to the island was delayed by resolution of tribal identification and ownership issues contingent on resolution of the precedent-setting Kennewick Man case from Washington State. Under procedures in accordance with the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), in May, 2018, they were restored to the claiming Chumash tribe, for reburial on the island. The Chumash people had long occupied the island before the arrival of the first European explorers, and the find was given the place name of the island in the Chumash language.
Archaeological research has shown that San Miguel Island was first settled by humans at least 12,000 years ago, when San Miguel was still part of the larger Santarosae Island that connected the northern Channel Islands when sea levels were lower near the end of the Last Glacial period. Because the northern Channel Islands have not been connected to the adjacent mainland in recent geological history, the Paleo-Indians who first settled the island clearly had boats and other maritime technologies. San Miguel was occupied by the ancestors of the Chumash people for many millennia. They had developed a complex and rich maritime culture based on ocean fishing, hunting, and gathering. They called the island Tuquan in the Chumash language. For many centuries, they built and used sophisticated canoes, called tomols, made from sewn planks caulked with asphaltum (bitumen). In tomols, they fished and hunted in island waters and participated in active trade with their neighbors on the other islands and the mainland. A remaining population of a dwarf species descended from Columbian mammoths, were extinct for perhaps three millennia prior to the death of Tuqan Man but existed on the Channel Islands when they were first visited by Paleoindians. | WIKI |
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this a head-warrior leaped up, and faid, they had feen plain enough, that he was a warrior, and not afraid of dying, nor mould he have died, only that he was both fpoiled by the fire, and devoted to it by their laws : how ever, though he was a very dangerous enemy* and his nation a treache rous people, it fhould appear they paid a regard to bravery, even iri one, who was marked over the body with war ftreaks, at the coft of many lives of their beloved kindred. And then by way of favour, he, with his friendly tomohawk, inftantly put an end to all his pains : though the merciful but bloody inftrument was ready fome minutes before it gave the blow, yet I was allured, the fpectators could not perceive the fufferer to change, either his pofture, or his fteady erect countenance, in the leaft.
A party of the Senekah Indians came to war againft the Katahba, bitter enemies to each other. In the woods, the former difcovered a fprightly warrior belonging to the latter, hunting in their ufual light drefs ; on his perceiving them, he fprung off for a hollow rock, four of five miles diftant, as they intercepted him from running homeward. He was fo extremely fwift, and ikilful with the gun, as to kill feven of them in the running fight, before they were able to furround and take him. They carried him to their country in fad triumph : but, though he had filled them with uncommon grief and Ihame, for the lofs of fo many of their kindred, yet the love of martial virtue induced them to treat him, during their long journey, with a great deal more civility, than if he had acted the part of a coward. The women and children, when they met him at their feveral towns, beat and whipped him in as fevere a manner as the occafion required, according to their law of juftice, and at laft he was formally con demned to die by the fiery tortures. It might reafonably be imagined that what he had for fome time gone through, by being fed with a foamy hand, a tedious march, lying at night on the bare ground, expofed to the changes of the weather, with his arms and legs extended in a pair of rough (locks, and fuffering fuch punimments on his entering into their hoftile towns, as a prelude to thofe (harp torments for which he was deftined, would have fo impaired his health, and^arTected his imagina tion, as to have fent him to his long fleep out of the way of any mqre fuf- ferings. Probably, this would have been the cafe with the major part of -white people, under fimilar circumftances ; but I never knew this with any
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Józef Lassota
Józef Lassota is a Polish politician who served as mayor of Kraków from 1992 to 1998. | WIKI |
Robin Minard
Robin Minard (born 1953) is a Canadian composer and installation artist.
Minard was born in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. He began his studies of composition at the University of Western Ontario, then at the Conservatoire de musique du Québec à Montréal, studying under Gilles Tremblay. He then continued his studies with John Rea at McGill University. He was a member of the music design and performance ensemble Sonde from 1979 to 1988. In 1988 he undertook doctoral studies in environmental music at the University of Paris VIII studying under composer Horacio Vaggione. From 1992 to 1996 he taught at the studio for electronic music at the TU Berlin. Since 1997, he has been Professor of Electro-Acoustic Composition at the Hochschule für Musik Franz Liszt and the Bauhaus-Universität in Weimar, Germany.
Artistic work
Minard has concentrated his work on electro-acoustic composition and sound installations in public since the early 1980s. One primary area of interest in his work is dealing with acoustic space in an urban world increasingly polluted with noise, and redefining the concept of functional music in that context. He points out that, with the exception of concert halls, theaters and some conference rooms, the ear is rarely a factor in the planning and design of architecture and urban infrastructure. Minard describes two different strategies of "composing space" which enters into dialogue with the architectural and acoustic environment: conditioning and articulation. Conditioning he considers to be analogous to laying a mantle of color over a space in the visual realm. Articulation refers to the addition of the dimension of time to architecture using sound; the movement of sound articulates and decorates the space. Some examples of his work utilizing these principles include; Music for Passageways (1985), Sound Catchers (1991), Silent Music (1994), Still / Life (1996), Intermezzo (1999), Sound Bits (2002), Outside In (2006) and Klangzug (2010). | WIKI |
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Rh ;軾4:A crossbar in carriages and sedan-chairs to lean on.
* 踷4:Walking in a crooked manner.
* 適4:To go to; to happen; to hit exactly; tranquility; joy.
* 晳4:To distinguish; to discriminate clearly.
* 夕4:Evening.
* 穸4:A long dark night; the tomb.
Seng.
* 成-1:To effect; accomplish; complete; to perfect; to become.
* 誠-1:Without guile; true; honest; truth; sincerity.
* 承-1丞-1:To be second to; to help; aid; an assistant; a second.
* 松-1:The pine or fir tree.
* 升1:A certain measure about a quart; to accumulate; to ascend; advance.
* 昇1:To ascend; peaceful; universal tranquility.
* 陞1:To go up steps; to ascend; advance; be promoted.
* 勝1:Adequate to; worthy of; to sustain; elevate.
* 牲1:Domestic animals; victims for sacrifice.
* 猩1:A species of monkey; an ape.
* 甥1:A daughter's or sister's children; nephew or niece.
* 旌1:A banner; to make signals; to cause to know.
* 笙1:An instrument of music consisting of tubes.
* 眚1:Something growing over the eye; error; excess; crime; calamity; to diminish.
* 𢜫2:To arouse or awaken the mind.
* 乘-3:To ascend or sit upon; seize a good opportunity.
* 盛-3:Good in the highest degree; flourishing; abundant; full.
* 勝3-:To surpass; overcome; to win; to be superior to.
Si.
* 時-1:Time; a two hour period; a season; the proper time.
* 塒-1:A hen-roost formed in a wall; a roost.
* 辭-1:To decline; refuse; words; to decline an invitation to delay; to carry.
* 匙-1:A spoon; a key.
* 司1:To have the control of; to rule; manage; an overseer.
* 伺1:To wait for; attend upon; to observe; spy out; examine.
* 笥1:A square bamboo chest; a trunk.
* 尸1:A body; corpse; an effigy of a deceased person.
* 鳲1:A species of pigeon.
* 屍1:A dead body; a corpse. | WIKI |
John Jay was born into an old New York family on December 12th, 1745, and educated at King's College (which later became Columbia University), where he graduated in 1764. In 1768, he was admitted to the bar. Representing the point of view of the American merchants in protesting British restrictions on the commercial activities of the colonies, he was elected to the Continental Congress in 1774 and again in 1775. Jay did not favor independence from Britain. Thomas Jefferson noted his absence from the signing of the Declaration of Independence. However, once the revolution was undertaken Jay was an ardent supporter of the new nation. He drafted the first constitution of New York State and was appointed chief justice of the state in 1777. In the following year he was again elected to the Continental Congress and was chosen as its president.
The Congress sent Jay to Spain in 1779 to obtain its endorsement of the independence of the colonies and a loan in support of the Revolutionary War. Unfortunately, Spain would provide neither. In Paris in 1782, he was one of the commissioners (with Benjamin Franklin and John Adams) who negotiated the Treaty of Paris with Great Britain, ending the American Revolution. While the party was instructed to insist only on independence of the colonies and defer to France on all other matters, France was occupied with fighting Spain in Gibraltar, which showed no signs of ending. Privately, Jay, Franklin, and Adams negotiated a treaty far better than the U.S. Congress could ever have hoped for. Britain guaranteed the independence of the Untied States, ceded the entire territory east of the Mississippi River, and gave the Americans valuable fishing rights in the North Atlantic.
From 1784 to 1789, Jay was secretary for foreign affairs. The ineffectiveness of the Articles of Confederation led him to become a proponent of a strong national government. After the Constitution was ratified, George Washington nominated John Jay as the chief justice, and he was confirmed two days later. George Washington had chosen wisely in selecting the first chief justice. Jay had always been widely respected as a just and reasonable man. His stewardship of the court only improved his standing and, not incidentally, did much to establish the Supreme Court as a reasoned and honorable institution. In 1794, however, when war with Britain threatened due to controversies over the Treaty of Paris, Jay was appointed by Washington to negotiate a settlement, even while serving as Supreme Court Justice.
On his return, Jay found that he had been elected as governor of New York in 1795, a surprise to him as he was not even asked if he would serve. Jay was forced to retire from the Supreme Court, though he would not have chosen to do so, because his friends in New York had called him to service. Though the fury of public reaction to Jay's treaty marred his first term, he was reelected and proved to be a most popular and productive governor.
John Jay survived his wife and several of his children. The last years of his life were not comfortable. Though he was wealthy and had the support of his children, his health was poor. He died on May 17th, 1829, in the comfort of his home. | FINEWEB-EDU |
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92 for the peculiar saddle-shaped articulations of the cervical vertebrae of birds.
On the dorsal side of the arch, in the middle, is the spine or neurapophysis, of extremely variable size and length, sometimes rudimentary, sometimes very long. As a rule, the spines are longest and stoutest at the beginning of the dorsal series, for the attachment of muscles and ligaments controlling the neck and head. The spines are always short in legless or slender crawling reptiles (Fig. 73 ) and are never long or slender in aquatic reptiles, in front at least. The spines of most sauropod dinosaurs in front of the sacrum are broadly divided, V-shaped, doubtless for the lodgment of stout muscles and ligaments used in controlling the long neck.
A longer or shorter process on the sides of the arch for the support in part or wholly of the ribs is known as a diapophysis (Fig. 73, 75). A like process or facet on the side of the centrum anteriorly for articulation of the head of the rib is called a parapophysis (Fig. 73 ). Either is commonly called a transverse process, and the same term is often applied to a like process on the sides of the caudal vertebrae, of which probably the anterior ones, at least, in all cases are merely coössified ribs.
A process, paired or single, on the under side of the vertebrae, is properly called a hypapophysis (Figs. 73, 75 ). Hypapophyses are characteristic of snakes, often as far back as the tail; in some instances they are developed to serve as a sort of masticatory apparatus for the crushing of eggs in the stomach. They also often occur on the cervical vertebrae of lizards, crocodiles, and turtles. Paired hypapophyses (lymphapophyses) are characteristic of the caudal vertebrae of snakes, where they replace the absent chevrons.
When the ends of the centra are concave, as they are in all early reptiles, nearly all fishes, and most amphibians, the vertebrae are known as amphicoelous (Fig. 74). If the cavities are deeply concave, communicating with each other through the centrum, the vertebrae are called notochordal; that is, the notochord was continuous in life. And this was the primitive condition found in the Cotylosauria (Fig. | WIKI |
C. S. Magaoay
Christopher Scott Magaoay (born September 21, 1985), best known by his activist alias C. S. Magaoay, is an American researcher and activist best known for his outspoken stance on the War on Terror and North America Immigration Policies. His statements have been published in newspapers, periodicals and books worldwide. He has also had interviews broadcast internationally, featured in multiple documentaries and spoken throughout Canada during his time there in exile during his unauthorized absence from the United States Marine Corps.
Activism
While living in Canada, Magaoay became an active member of the War Resisters Canada network of activists. He spoke at anti-war rallies, events, and forums across Canada. Magaoay was a sought after speaker for organizations wishing to be educated of the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from a "soldiers" perspective. In the five years spent in Toronto, he lectured at the University of Toronto, Ryerson University, York University, Geulph University Humber College, Seneca College and many other educational institutions in Ontario.
Throughout all of this, Magaoay attempted to permanently resettle in Canada with his wife at the time, Sahar Zerehi who was a Canadian citizen. However under the conservative parliament in power in Canada at the time, Canada's immigration policies were very strict even for spousal immigration. Magaoay became interested in the plight of immigrants and refugees in his activism. Over his last two years in Canada, Magaoay became a prominent voice in immigration politics in Canada and worked alongside Olivia Chow MP (NDP) and others.
In addition to anti-war and immigration activism, Magaoay also was elected to the board of the Ontario Public Interest Research Group for the University of Toronto. While a member he frequently voted to fund activist efforts by students and student groups of the university.
Professional career
Upon arriving in Canada, Magaoay started his career as a new media marketing professional with Shahrvand Publications Ltd. in Toronto. He worked there as the Director of Creative Information Systems. There he worked with Shahrvand's staff to create new media presentations of current events pertaining to the Middle Eastern immigrant communities of Canada.
In 2006, Magaoay started Rubber Duck Media a New Media Public Relations and Marketing company. His client profiles included left-leaning Toronto City Councillors, Olivia Chow MP, Toronto and York Region Labour Council, Ontario Federation of Labour, United Food and Commercial Workers, and Fasken Martineau LLP.
In 2008, he was presented with an award from the National Ethnic Media and Press Council of Canada by the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario for best New Media presentation of current events. Magaoay was also made a permanent member of the Board of the National Ethnic Media and Press Council of Canada for his work promoting immigrant and refugee rights in Canada, specifically from the Middle East.
In 2010 after being released from Naval Brig Norfolk for his military charges.
Personal life
After returning to the United States from Canada, Magaoay lived in New York for a brief period until his eventual return to Hawaii in 2011. | WIKI |
Category:Washington College Shoremen and Shorewomen athletic directors
This category is for athletic directors, past and present, of Washington College in Chestertown, Maryland. | WIKI |
Teneriffe Village
Teneriffe Village is a heritage-listed warehouse at 110 Macquarie Street, Teneriffe, City of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. It was built from 1955 to 1957. It is also known as Dalgety & Co. Ltd No 3 Woolstore, Queensland Primary Producers, No 8 Woolstore, and Paddys Market. It was added to the Queensland Heritage Register on 21 October 1992.
History
Paddy's Market was erected in 1955-57 as the new No 3 woolstore for the well-known pastoral firm of Dalgety & Co. Ltd. It was the second last store to be erected in the Teneriffe woolstore precinct, and the last in Dalgety's complex, which included a wharf and a wool dumping and grain store. As with earlier woolstores in the Teneriffe area, the building's function was to store and show Queensland wool, sales being conducted at the Wool Exchange in the Brisbane central business district. Like earlier woolstores, the top floor was occupied by a single large showroom, where buyers could examine the wool at leisure under suffusive natural lighting.
The site was owned from 1883 to 1906 by Queensland Brewery Ltd (later Carlton United), manufacturers of Brisbane's popular Bulimba Beer. By 1890 the company had established a brewery at the end of Florence Street, which at the time did not extend to Macquarie Street. In 1906 the woolstore site was sold to Dalgety & Co. Ltd, which built on this and adjacent land from 1906-07 onwards. Dalgetys were the first pastoral company to move into Teneriffe, which in the 1910s and 1920s developed as Brisbane's principal woolstore precinct, to which wool was railed and shipped from all over Queensland, awaiting auction by the large pastoral companies like Dalgety's which dominated the wool industry.
Three major factors shaped this development: the presence of a railway, the availability of deep river wharfage, and the expansion of primary industry in Queensland.
In 1897 the Colonial Sugar Refinery and its wharf were constructed south of Merthyr Road, along with the Bulimba branch railway line connecting the refinery to the main network. Convenient bulk transport was crucial for the movement of wool from distant properties to the woolstores, rail being the cheapest means of bringing the product in for storage until it was shipped out some time after sale. Until the construction of Dalgety's large wharf and first woolstore (1906–07) at Teneriffe, bales were stored in bondstores scattered around Brisbane. Following Dalgety's move into the area, five more stores were erected in Teneriffe during the wool boom between 1909 and 1915, and the excellent wool years and building boom between 1924 and 1925 were responsible for another five, at an outlay of some £3,000,000. During the early 1930s, when wool contributed 50 percent of Queensland's total exports, Brisbane averaged ten wool sales a year, and two more stores were built. Four were added during the 1940s, but these were not as substantial, and only one had a showroom. The wool boom of the 1950s occasioned the construction of the final two woolstores in Teneriffe: Dalgety's new No 3 Store, and Australian Estates No. 2 Store (1957) in Macquarie Street.
When Florence Street was extended through to Macquarie Street early in 1955, Dalgetys demolished their No 3 single-storey corrugated iron store and No 4 two-storey single brick woolstore. These were replaced in 1955-57 by the present brick building. Jack Michod, Dalgety's Queensland Wool manager, was very involved in the design, in particular regarding natural lighting, floor room spacing and an innovative chute control system. These technological and operational features reflected new marketing procedures in Queensland's wool industry during the boom of the 1950s.
From the mid-1960s, changing economic pressures, the advent of containerism, technological advances in core sampling of wool, and improved breeding standards, caused the wool industry to change to single-level storage, labour-saving methods and computer trading, few of which were feasible at Teneriffe. The pastoral company which was the first to move into the Teneriffe area was also the first to move out. In 1961 Dalgety & Co. Ltd merged with New Zealand Loan and Mercantile Agency Company, and as Dalgety & New Zealand Loan Ltd, in 1964 built a new wool centre at Rocklea, selling the redundant Teneriffe No 3 woolstore to Queensland Primary Producers.
From the mid-1960s, the importance of the Teneriffe facilities to the Queensland wool industry slowly declined, and the Teneriffe wharves, having failed to keep pace with technological changes, and lacking sufficient depth for container vessels, were supplanted in 1977-78 by the Port of Brisbane Authority's new river-mouth facilities at Fishermans Island.
Since the mid-1970s, many of the former woolstores at Teneriffe have been recycled for office, storage and retail purposes. In 1984 Primaries transferred their No 8 Woolstore to "Paddy" John Stephens, who established a market trading centre in the building. As Paddy's Market, the place has become a popular Brisbane shopping and tourist venue.
Description
Paddy's Market is a five-storeyed, brick-clad, steel-framed building which has an irregular shape to suit the site.
A strong horizontal emphasis is achieved by means of rows of windows with concrete sunshades. The building has exposed concrete at the head of the windows with most projecting. Timber framed hopper windows are arranged in two and three panels wide. Some sections have two windows with a louvre section below. Sections of the top floor are four panes high. The ground floor is a mixture of windows and openings, many of which were loading bays originally, in a less regular pattern than the upper floors.
An exhaust duct of galvanised steel extends along the Macquarie Street facade up the length of the building and exhausts above the parapet. A similar duct is on the north side of the building. Also along part of the Macquarie Street facade, terracotta tiles extend from ground level up to the projecting concrete above the head.
The top of the large parapet is a rendered capping. On the west side parapet is the lettering Queensland Primary Producers Woolstores No.8.
The roof of the building has a sawtooth structure with south lights which are not at right angles to the facade of the building. This sawtooth roof, from which the top floor showroom is suffused with light, is usual in woolstore construction.
The internal structure is reinforced concrete floors and steel columns, with a series of trusses supporting the sawtooth roof. It is understood that the river frontage necessitated piers to 28 m below ground level. Each floor is over 4000 square metres in area.
The ceiling is lined with hardboard and internal brickwork is painted. One lift is located on the south side and a goods lift on the north side. A series of fire escape stairs are throughout the building with one constructed on the footpath on the east side.
Like some Interwar woolstores, a rail siding was accommodated internally on the ground floor. Office accommodation was provided on the ground, first and third floors, access being gained by means of an elevator and concrete stairs.
As Paddy's Market, the ground floor and sections of the first to third floors of the building have been partitioned for a variety of stalls. The showroom floor is occupied by a large fabric cash and carry enterprise.
Of the original equipment, three wool elevators, three wool drops and five wool chutes have been removed, but the original passenger lift survives. Also removed were the internal rail lines, office accommodation and other items associated with the woolstore. A connecting walkway to the former Dalgety Wool Dumping & Grain Store is no longer extant.
Heritage listing
Teneriffe Village (former Paddys Market) was listed on the Queensland Heritage Register on 21 October 1992 having satisfied the following criteria.
The place is important in demonstrating the evolution or pattern of Queensland's history.
Paddy's Market is important in demonstrating the pattern of Queensland's history, illustrating that the importance of the Teneriffe wool handling facilities to the Queensland wool industry was sustained well into the mid-20th century, as well as highlighting operational and marketing procedures employed in Queensland's wool industry during the boom of the 1950s. Paddy's Market remains an integral element of the most cohesive group of woolstores in Australia, illustrating the development of the Queensland wool industry from the early 1900s to the 1950s.
The place demonstrates rare, uncommon or endangered aspects of Queensland's cultural heritage.
This group remains as rare surviving evidence of an industry upon which much of the wealth of Queensland (and of Australia) was built. Paddy's Market also has rarity value as one of only two Teneriffe woolstores illustrating the final postwar stage of development in an industrial process and associated building form which are now superseded, including the orientation of the south-facing roof trusses in relation to the building.
The place is important in demonstrating the principal characteristics of a particular class of cultural places.
Paddy's market is important in demonstrating the principal characteristics of the broad class of brick, concrete and steel woolstores which were built in Australian ports, including Teneriffe, to serve the wool industry after the Second World War, but which illustrates a continuity of traditional elements and form in the materials and style of the 1950s.
The place is important because of its aesthetic significance.
The building is part of a group of woolstores which have formed a landmark along the Brisbane River for many years, and for over a decade has had a special social association for the Queensland community as Paddy's Market.
The place has a strong or special association with a particular community or cultural group for social, cultural or spiritual reasons.
The building is part of a group of woolstores which have formed a landmark along the Brisbane River for many years, and for over a decade has had a special social association for the Queensland community as Paddy's Market. | WIKI |
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Wow, this makes NO sense whatsoever considering that none of the articles in the new DISAM page have articles. This looks like a desperate attempt at gaining notability or credibility of any kind. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 05:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | WIKI |
Badamak, Kerman
Badamak (, also Romanized as Bādāmak; also known as Gowharīyeh (Persian: گوهريه), Gabarhāy and Gowharī) is a village in Gavkan Rural District, in the Central District of Rigan County, Kerman Province, Iran. At the 2006 census, its population was 158, in 25 families. | WIKI |
Flowery Branch High School
Flowery Branch High School is a four-year public high school located in Flowery Branch, Georgia, United States, operated by Hall County Schools. In 2007, Flowery Branch was voted Georgia's High School of Excellence. It is one of seven high schools in the district and enrolls about 1,600 students.
The attendance boundary includes eastern portions of Flowery Branch. The school also serves areas with Buford postal addresses that are not in the Buford city limits.
History
A previous school named Flowery Branch High School burned down in 1943. Afterwards, students continued their education at neighboring schools. Many years later in 2002, Hall County Schools added two new high schools, a new Flowery Branch High School and Chestatee High School in the northern part of the county. FBHS was opened on Hog Mountain Road to relieve neighboring Johnson High School and West Hall High School.
Hall County experienced a 29% growth rate over the period of 2000 to 2010. The Flowery Branch High School had a 44.58% growth rate over this same time.
In 2012, Flowery Branch High School received a charter from the Georgia Department of Education, which allowed for a Global Studies and Leadership Academy. The school dissolved the charter and began a STEAM program of choice in 2017.
Music
The Flowery Branch High School band program is presently under the direction of Miguel Guisasola. The program consists of two concert bands, marching band, jazz band, Winter guard and steel drum band all of which have received consistent superior ratings. The marching band is regionally known for its outstanding drumline and front ensemble which regularly receive high recognition in competition. Since 2021, the FBHS Band plays host to The Branch Classic, a marching band competition that brings in bands from all of the state for a full day of musical performances.
Athletics
Flowery Branch is a member of the Georgia High School Association (GHSA) in Class AAAA Region 7.
Football
The Flowery Branch Falcons football team has developed into state contenders. Head coach Lee Shaw built the program from the ground up, going from an inaugural 0-10 season in 2002 to a state finals appearance in 2008. After three years with a combined record of 6-24, Shaw and the Falcons broke through in 2005 with an 11-2 record and a trip to the Elite 8. The Falcons have achieved four straight playoff appearances with a 52-14 combined record.
During the 2008 postseason, Flowery Branch adopted the name "Road Warriors," traveling over 900 miles throughout the playoffs en route to a berth in the Class AAA state championship. Due to the school's move to a new building the year prior and the expanding size of the student body, 2010 saw the Falcons move into the AAAA classification for football, and put an end to the Falcons' rivalries with nearby North Hall, Gainesville, and Chestatee. In 2011, after the season was over, Coach Lee Shaw resigned to go back to Rabun County and put former defensive coordinator Chris Griffin as coach. After five years as head coach and a 29-23 record coach, Griffin resigned as head coach. In 2017, Griffin was replaced by Ben Hall, former head coach of Jefferson High School and former offensive line of Flowery Branch.
Notable seasons
* 2009 (10-4) Region 4th Place: Class AAA Final 4
* 2008 (12-3) Region 3rd Place: Class AAA State Championship - State Runner-Up
* 2007 (9-2) Region Runner-Up: Class AAA Playoffs
* 2006 (10-2) Region Runner-Up: Class AAA Sweet 16
* 2005 (11-2) Region Runner-Up: Class AAA Elite 8
* 2011 (11-2) Region Runner-Up : Class AAAA Quarter finals
* 2012 (8-3) Region Champions: Class AAAAA First Round
Notable alumni
* Brad Keller, Major League Baseball pitcher
* Connor Shaw (2010), former starting quarterback for the University of South Carolina Gamecocks football team | WIKI |
SLA Battery Charging Best Practices
For many businesses, batteries are a necessary investment but also a significant purchase, which is why choosing the right battery is so important. Choosing the right battery is a key factor in the success of your project, and has the ability to save you money while improving your ROI. After you've purchased the perfect battery, the next steps are taking care of it to ensure it has a long and productive life.
Sealed Lead Acid Batteries (SLA) typically have a long life. Even at an older age, they have the ability to perform exceptionally well, if cared for properly. One of the easiest ways to take care of your SLA battery is by following the best charging procedures listed below.
Use Proper Voltage
Pay attention to the voltage requirements as provided by the manufacturer and make sure the charger you’re using provides that charge. If the voltage is too high, you risk damage. But, if the voltage is too low, the battery will never fully charge.
Wait till your battery is fully charged
It may be tempting to try to up the voltage in order to charge the battery faster but don’t. You can very easily overcharge your battery, causing it to overheat. And with any battery, excessive heat will kill batteries, fast. You also want to avoid taking the battery off the charger before it’s fully charged. This will cause the charge to drain faster than it would a full charge.
Store your battery full charged
Always store your battery fully charged. Even when not in use, apply a full charge every 6 months to keep the battery in prime working order. The charge on a battery will slowly deplete over time, even if they aren’t being used, so you want to avoid completely depleting your SLA battery.
Avoid completely discharging your battery
Do not let the charge of your battery drop all the way to empty if you can help it. Frequent recharges from a semi-used state, rather than charging from a completely depleted state are better for your battery.
Avoid overcharging your battery
Does overcharging your SLA battery damage it? Yes, you can damage your battery by overcharging it. Overcharging causes your SLA battery to heat up, as it gets hotter it will accept more current, which actually makes it heat up even further. When this happens it's called thermal runaway, and in a matter of hours, your battery can be destroyed. Overcharging your battery can also cause premature aging, which lessons your battery's useful life.
For more thoughts on charging, and to get more tips for extending the life of your battery, check out this blog.
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Ozark chub
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Andy Warhol in the Powder Room. Christopher Wool on the Floor.
Show Us Your Wall LOS ANGELES — Where Koreatown and Silver Lake meet Historic Filipinotown — beyond a construction site and a tent city and behind a thick metal gate — lies a Shangri-La, the 22,000-square-foot studio of the husband and wife artists Jonas Wood and Shio Kusaka. Mr. Wood, 41, a Massachusetts-born painter known for bucolic David Hockneyesque still-life interiors and abstract depictions of sport, and Ms. Kusaka, 46, a Japanese master of porcelain ceramics, bought this space a year ago. Inside, they have dedicated most of the space to their extensive art collection, including nearly three dozen ceramic pieces by Magdalena Suarez Frimkess and Michael Frimkess. There is also room for personal studios and offices studded with their own work. Wild-bearded and wild-eyed, Mr. Wood is unabashed in his love for collecting. Speedwalking through the complex, with the couple’s spaniel-mix, Robot, trotting behind, Mr. Wood stops on a dime and points out a signed Larry Bird jersey hanging from a lofty ceiling. “I’m a huge N.B.A. fan,” he explains. The gym features “Untitled (portrait)” a Richard Prince Instagram photo and a suggestive print of Paris Hilton by the Norwegian photographer Torbjorn Rodland among the free weights and machines. The bathroom has an Andy Warhol sketch alongside comic-book work from Raymond Pettibon and a print by Robert Heinecken. With so many stimuli, it’s easy to miss details, like the green stalks sprouting from the floor. There’s a loft with beds, couches and a TV for when work runs late, and toys to keep the couple’s two children happy. Screenprints from Ed Ruscha and Roy Lichtenstein frame the room, but it’s the hand-knotted silk Christopher Wool rug that ties it together, despite a painterly black stain that might give the Big Lebowski pause. Finishing the second-floor tour with a brief stop in a bedroom, we glimpse an erotic Picasso etching — like an Easter egg in a video game — before Mr. Wood switches off the light. Then he’s whizzing downstairs where a vintage poster and etched mirror of a chimpanzee poker dealer by Michael Wilkinson keeps company with a washer and dryer. More downstairs pieces include Alex Israel’s silk-screen collage of the license plate from “Back to the Future,” a “Mountain Print” lithograph by Mr. Ruscha and ceramics by Ruby Neri, Ry Rocklen and Akio Takamori. In a conference room, two works by Los Angeles-based artists face off: Will Boone’s acrylic “Jason Mask” and Calvin Marcus’s “Green Calvin,” a mushroom-tongued ceramic devil on green hardboard. “It’s actually painted clay mounted on a painting,” Mr. Wood explains. These are edited excerpts from the conversation. What are some of your favorite pieces? JONAS WOOD We’re really into the Frimkesses, who are Los Angeles ceramists. He threw these vessels, the ones on the top shelf, and she painted them. I’ve made drawings of paintings out of their pots and included them in larger still-life paintings. And their work is similar to your own process? WOOD We don’t really collaborate, but we both include each other’s work in our work. More an appropriation, a shared imagery. What’s interesting, too, about this couple is that they also appropriated their practice for these works in particular. Michael, the husband, chose these based on historical vessels. SHIO KUSAKA She had this whole book set that somebody gave her — the history of Japanese pottery. WOOD In pottery a lot of times people make up their own shape, but he’s mimicking a form from an ancient vessel. KUSAKA And she paints. WOOD She paints from postcards she finds. So it’s pretty similar to both of our practices, because I work from photographs or postcards; she works based on thrown vessels, much like Michael. KUSAKA Because I have the same book, I know those images. And there’s playful stuff on the ceramics: Betty Boop, Popeye, Minnie Mouse. WOOD Yeah, all appropriations. And over here we’ve got Mark Grotjahn, Joe Bradley, this is a Peter Saul painting, and that’s a Boetti canvas. Tell me about the weed growing out of the floor. WOOD This is Tony Matelli, an artist from New York. If you remember on the High Line, there was a sculpture of a sleepwalking man. That’s this guy. We just thought this would look cool here, because it looks like it just broke out of the ground because this is how dandelions would grow in nature. An earlier version of this article incorrectly described Jonas Wood’s art. He is a painter, not a painter and potter. The article also referred incorrectly to works by the ceramist Michael Frimkess. He threw the vessels on the top shelf; he did not draw them. In addition, the article referred incorrectly to a Richard Prince portrait. It is called “Untitled (portrait)”; it is not untitled. | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
The Wolf Hour
The Wolf Hour is a 2019 psychological thriller film written and directed by Alistair Banks Griffin. It stars Naomi Watts, Emory Cohen, Jennifer Ehle, Kelvin Harrison Jr., Jeremy Bobb and Brennan Brown.
The film had its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival on January 26, 2019. It was released on December 6, 2019, by Brainstorm Media.
Plot
In 1970s New York, former author June Leigh (Naomi Watts) lives alone in her late grandmother's dilapidated apartment after cutting herself off from the outside world. Riddled with anxiety and agoraphobia, she spends her days watching the derelict neighbourhood below from her fourth-story window, amidst the notorious "Summer of Sam" in the blistering heat.
June is visited by her estranged friend, Margot (Jennifer Ehle), who is shocked to see June in such a depressive state. Margot helps her clear out her apartment and attempts to get her to go outside, but June suffers a panic attack. Meanwhile, June's intercom buzzes throughout the day but nobody is there when she answers. Margot gives June a .38 caliber gun for protection.
It is revealed that June's father died from a heart attack, and her family blamed her controversial writing, disowning her. June calls her publishing house and asks for an advance; they refuse, claiming she must submit something new soon. She attempts to write a new novel, but suffers writer's block.
One afternoon, June allows Freddie (Kelvin Harrison Jr.), the boy who delivers her groceries, to use her sink to wash himself, and they become friends. He reveals his mother died in a house fire while trying to get him out, leaving him severely burned. June calls the police when the intercom harassment continues. A police officer (Jeremy Bobb) arrives and explains there is not much he can do, but suggests he can provide extra protection for her in return for sex.
Having avoided people for so long, a sexually frustrated June watches two neighbours have sex while masturbating. She later arranges for a male escort, Billy (Emory Cohen), to come to her apartment, and they have sex. Billy recounts being abused by his family as a child, claiming he got over his fears by facing them head on. He stays over, and they are awoken during the night by the intercom buzzing; Billy goes downstairs to investigate but nobody is there. He suggests the buzzings are a "calling", trying to get her to go outside. The following morning, June finds herself able to write.
June uses the last of her money to pay Freddie to deliver her completed new novel to the publishing house, but he does not return with her cheque. A blackout then hits, and rioting and looting begins in the area, leaving her alone and afraid in the dark. June watches a boy she thinks is Freddie being beaten by a police officer and forces herself to leave the apartment, only to discover it is not him. Instead of retreating, she musters the confidence to walk down the street, staring up towards the morning sun as it rises in the sky.
The film concludes with June, now recovered from her mental illness, being interviewed on television about her new book. The show host asks her if the book is based on her self-inflicted isolation period, and she smiles wryly.
Cast
* Naomi Watts as June Leigh
* Emory Cohen as Billy
* Jennifer Ehle as Margot
* Kelvin Harrison Jr. as Freddie
* Jeremy Bobb as Officer Blake
* Brennan Brown as Hans
Production
In October 2017, it was announced Naomi Watts would star in the film, with Alistair Banks Griffin directing from a screenplay he wrote. In November 2017, Jennifer Ehle, Emory Cohen, Kelvin Harrison Jr., Brennan Brown and Jeremy Bobb joined the cast of the film.
Release
The film had its world premiere at the Sundance Film Festival on January 26, 2019. Shortly after, Brainstorm Media acquired distribution rights to the film. It was released in the United States on December 6, 2019.
Critical Reception
According to 25 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, the film earned a 44% rating. | WIKI |
Powered hang glider
A foot-launched powered hang glider (FLPHG), also called powered harness, nanolight, or hangmotor, is a powered hang glider harness with a motor and propeller often in pusher configuration, although some can be found in tractor configuration. An ordinary hang glider is used for its wing and control frame, and the pilot can foot-launch from a hill or from flat ground, needing a length of about a football field to get airborne, or much less if there is an oncoming breeze and no obstacles.
Adding propulsion
While powered microlights (ultralights) developed from hang gliding in the late 1970s, they were also a return to the type of low-speed aircraft that were common in the earlier years of aviation, but which were superseded as both civil and military aircraft pursued more speed. For a second time in aviation history, during the 1970s, motorization of simple gliders, especially those portable and foot-launched, became the goal of many inventors and gradually, small wing-mounted power packs were adapted. These early experiments went largely unrecorded, even in log books, let alone the press, because the pioneers were uncomfortably aware that the addition of an engine made the craft liable to registration, airworthiness legislation, and the pilot liable to expensive licensing and probably, insurance. Inventors from Australia, France and England produced several successful microlight motor gliders in the early 1970s and very few were portable wings.
Don Mitchell
Surprisingly, what really launched the powered ultralight aviation movement in the United States was not the Rogallo flexible wing but a whole series of rigid-wing motorized hang gliders. The Icarus V flying wing appeared with its tip rudders and swept-back style wing was used as a base for some powered experiments. Differently, a rigid biplane designed also by teenager Taras Kiceniuk Jr., the Icarus II was a foundation for a modification in Larry Mauro's UFM Easy Riser biplane that started to sell in large numbers; Larry Mauro would power his tail-less biplane; one version was solar powered, called the Solar Riser. Hang gliding record holder Don Mitchell fitted his Mitchell Wing B-10 with a motor, though the pilot still had to use their legs as undercarriage, an arrangement which persisted until he designed the B-10 Mitchell Wing.
Barry Palmer
In 1963, and during his free time, aeronautical engineer Barry Palmer built and experimented with a foot-launched powered hang glider at Bloomfield, Connecticut. It was powered by a 7 hp West Bend engine and mounted on top of a Rogallo-type flexible wing hang glider; the propeller was 3 ft in diameter and was made of balsa wood, covered with fiberglass and mounted in pusher configuration. However, the engine was quite underpowered and the craft could not achieve flight. It is now estimated that a modern flexible Rogallo wing hang glider requires at least 6 hp at the prop shaft and about 45 lbf (200 N) of thrust just to maintain level flight. During 1967, Barry Palmer built what is likely the first weight-shift powered trike aircraft.
John Moody
On March 15, 1975, John Moody successfully added a 12.5 hp West Bend engine with a 71 cm (28 in) propeller to an UFM Easy Riser biplane hang glider designed by Larry Mauro. Moody opened the throttle and ran until he lifted from the frozen surface of a lake west of Racine, Wisconsin, and he flew for 30 minutes. Then on July 27, 1976, John Moody demonstrated ultralight aviation at the annual EAA fly-in convention in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, with a foot launched McCulloch 101 powered Icarus II in front of thousands of spectators, starting the modern ultralight aviation revolution in the United States. Later, he added wheels to the aircraft and by the end of 1979, there were almost 100 competing companies selling powered ultralights (microlights) but very few were foot-launchable.
Terry Sweeney
In 1977, Terry Sweeney developed a twintube kingpost mount for attaching an engine to a Rogallo-type flex-wing glider. He envisioned that this would enable hang gliders to make 1,000 mile flights over several days on 10 gallons of gas. However, the kingpost mount proved to be quite dangerous in turbulent conditions.
Jerzy Kolecki
In 1979, a powered backpack called the Motolotnia - White Eagle, designed by Jerzy Kolecki, became available for sale. It consisted of a 90 cc McCulloch chainsaw engine with a direct drive 61 cm (24") wooden prop, producing a quoted 77 lbf (340 N) of thrust; the rate of climb was about 150 ft/min (0.76 m/s) and flight duration was limited by the small fuel tank and engine overheating after several minutes.
Other powered harnesses to reach the market in the 1980s were The Ranger and the Relax 220.
Others
By 2008, there were a few harness designs similar to the Swedish Aerosport Mosquito, each sporting unique strengths, and produced by other FLPHG manufacturers. The latest generation of powered harnesses bear names such as Wasp, Flylight Doodle Bug, Raven, X1, Zenon, Airtime Explorer, Fillo, and Flyped.
World records
La Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) is the international standard-setting and record-keeping body for aeronautics and astronautics, so it also oversees the official records by foot-launched powered hang gliders, currently under the RWF1 category.
Unofficial records
Unofficial FLPHG World Records – Confirmed but not validated by the FAI.
* On August 5, 1978, French pioneer Bernard Danis mated a Soarmaster unit to this 168 sqft SK 2SS wing and climbed to 1825 m above sea level at the Southern Alps.
* On May 9, 1978, David Cook became the first pilot to cross the English Channel while flying a foot-launched powered hang glider; he used a Volmer VJ-23 Swingwing glider.
* On May 7, 1979, British pilot Gerry Breen set a new distance record for FLPHG of 325 km from Wales to Norwich, a non-stop world distance record that still stands today; using a Soarmaster, the flight took about 4 hours with a tailwind of about 25 kn and reportedly consumed 25 L of fuel. Three months later, on August 25 through 28, inspired by the film "Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines" and sponsored by British Airways, Breen flew his powered hang glider from London to Paris: Wishing to use a British made aircraft, Gerry Breen and Steve Hunt set about building with their version of the powered Soarmaster, but had no clutch. The unit, including glider, was considerably heavier than the Soarmaster and Olympus glider combination but the wing was much more robust. The hang glider was a Hiway Super Scorpion with a 10 hp McCulloch 125 cc engine mounted on the keel just forward of the hang strap. The journey was plagued with mechanical failures but Breen overcame them and completed the trip.
* In July 2002, Italian hang gliding champion and conservationist, Angelo d'Arrigo, guided a flock of 10 endangered western Siberian cranes, bred in captivity, with an Icaro hang glider equipped with an NRG powered harness 5300 km from the Arctic Circle in Siberia, across Kazakhstan to the shores of the Caspian Sea in Iran, avoiding Afghanistan and Pakistan where they fall victim to the abundant guns. For the most part, he relied on the sun and wind for propulsion in order to teach the young cranes to soar long distances. This $250,000 USD experiment lasted for six months and finished in winter 2002.
* On May 24, 2009, Irish pilot Patrick Laverty broke the foot-launched powered hang glider altitude world record. He used an Aeros Discus 15 hang glider coupled to a supine custom-made harness equipped with a 29 hp ROS 125 engine with the Supa-Tuna tuning lights system on a WB32 carburettor. Takeoff was at sea level and he flew to an altitude of 5348 m ASL over Talybont, Ceredigion, Wales, UK. He carried oxygen and 10 litres of fuel, per U.K. regulations; his variometer indicated 30 to 50fpm climb rate at the time fuel ran out.
Systems
Currently, there are two harness configurations: prone (face down) and sitting. Both configurations allow the pilot to takeoff and land on their feet. Foot-launched powered hang glider (FLPHG) harnesses are built around a light metal frame with the engine and propeller mounted on the rear in a pusher configuration. Current powered harnesses weigh 22–32 kg (50-70 lb) not including the safety parachute and fuel, and fold neatly into a 1.5 m long harness bag with a handle. Most powered harnesses in production are equipped with the Radne Raket 120 two stroke engine which is based on Husqvarna XP3120 chainsaw parts. It has a displacement of 118 cm3 and produces about 15 hp at 8900 RPM if equipped with a tuned exhaust; when coupled to a 1:3.5 belt-driven reduction drive and a 52" x 22" propeller, it produces about 100 lbf (440 N) of static thrust. For heavy pilots or pilots operating from higher than 1500 m MSL fields, a powered harness equipped with an 18 hp engine is recommended.
Electric motors
* Richard Kruger-Sprengel (Helix Propeller) and German designer Werner Eck, have produced at least two electric powered paraglider (EPPG) prototypes,
Timeline for electric-powered foot-launched gliders
* 1979 April 29: at Flabob Airport, California, Larry Mauro flew the Solar Riser with an electric motor powered by storage batteries charged from the sun. The Solar Riser was a modified Easy Riser hang glider.
* 2001 Richard Kruger Sprengel electric drive for paraglider.
* 2006, June 6: in Canada, Casaba Lemak takes off using an electric paraglider.
* 2006, December 19: Prototype electric paramotor from Helix-Carbon GmbH shows electric motor during the Coupe Icare in Saint Hilaire, France.
* 2007 at the German Free Flight Trade Fair in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Werner Eck and Jochen Geiger displayed electric drives for hang gliders and paragliders.
* 2007 Razeebus Aircraft
* The E-Lift hang glider system by Toni Roth, Fronreute, Germany
* 2009 E-flight Expo displayed some electric paragliders.
Patents
* US Patent 4262863 Filed: January 16, 1978. Powered hang glider with reduction drive by Charles J. Slusarczyk.
* US Patent 4417707 Filed: January 26, 1982. Human powered hang glider by Ken Leong. This type of powered hang glider is powered by the muscle exertion of the hang glider pilot. This patent references earlier teachings affecting powered hang glider design.
* US Patent 5170965 Filed: April 30, 1991. Hang glider which can fly by human strength by Hiroaki Yasuda. | WIKI |
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Kaaba
Kaaba Symmetry
* Reason:Good quality and the only image which shows this feature
* Proposed caption:The Kaaba, a large cuboidal building located inside the Masjid al-Haram, is one of Muslims' holiest places. This picture taken from the gate of King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia, seems to to divide the Kaaba and the minarets into mirror images of one another.
* Articles this image appears in:Hajj, Kaaba, Masjid al-Haram
* Creator:Me
* Support as nominator Muhammad Mahdi Karim 17:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose Grainy and artifacted. CillaИ X♦C [dic] 18:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
* Comment uploaded Edit 2; hopefully improves the grain issue. I also removed the black dots visible between the minarets in the original. CillaИ X♦C [dic] 17:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
*Oppose poor quality -- Chil dzy ¤ Ta lk 19:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC) **Comment still as this will happen again it is possible to take a much higher quality image -- Chil dzy ¤ Ta lk 21:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support. Pictures of the Kaaba are rare, and this is one of the highest-quality free ones that I've seen. I've also never seen one from this angle, that shows the people and their clothing in such detail. This is a useful and encyclopedic image, about a rare event which is closed to most of the world. Non-Muslims can't even enter the city of Mecca, let alone get this close to the Kaaba. --Elonka 19:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose, too grainy. Someday there will be a better picture and for now this is the best we have, but that doesn't make it featured picture quality. gren グレン 00:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
* Comment I don't want to force my picture, but heres what I have to say. Pictures of the Kaaba are rare becuase if one is seen taking pictures by the guards, one can kiss one's camera goodbye. Hence, taking a good quality camera and time to take the picture, exposes you. the angle that this picture is taken from is from the main entrance, hence more difficult. The picture looks a bit grainy when viewed under very high zoom. Muhammad Mahdi Karim 12:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Support: This picture makes you really feel u r in mecca looking at hte Kaaba. its making u see the reality and such pictures r really rare —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 17:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support Great angle and view. I've never seen the kaaba's symmetry like this before. Ghelelio 14:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support. The photo really isn't FP quality under normal circumstances, and given the dozens of photos that have similar thumbnails on a google image search, anyone could be forgiven for thinking it reproducible. But I've just spent 15 minutes looking through all those images, as well as through a couple of galleries specifically for pics of the Kaaba, and they are all, without exception, extreme crops from a distant shot, probably from a helicopter. It's certainly an important enough subject and this may well be the best picture. Based on all the others I found, kudos on the shot! ~ Veledan • T 22:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose. Sorry, great picture, but a poor camera. Besides, this wikimedia already a great picture of it (shown on the right) -Inklein 03:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support. A GIS shows that this is superior to almost every other easily found image of the Kaaba. Flickr only has three images, and About.com shows a gallery of century-old photos. Even a travel site is limited to an Instamatic-quality shot, making Muhammad Mahdi Karim's assertions believable. If there is a better one out there, I'm not sure where we're going to get it; if they were easy to get one would surely exist out there (license compatibility not considered). --Dhartung | Talk 06:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support per recent arguments, after a bit of looking myself it does appear you cant get a shot making this one inherently encyclopedic -- Chil dzy ¤ Ta lk 07:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support edit1 – under the circumstances it's a pretty neat shot, but the uncropped, slightly over-exposed original just doesn't look like a worthy FP; it just needed a crop and a tweak, I think. mikaultalk 15:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose Come on, if a picture is historic, OK we might be able to live with quality like this. But this is more than reproduceable and the quality is rather bad. -Fcb981(talk:contribs) 23:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support per Dhartung. There are very few outdoor, architectural photos that are difficult to take these days. This is certainly one, and deserves to be measured against its peers. -07:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmil (talk • contribs)
* Oppose. I really don't like the composition. It's too bad that the shadow line passes through the center of the image, and the composition makes it look like the two towers are coming out of the Kaaba itself, rather than being part of the larger building that surrounds it. Spikebrennan 17:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support Rare picture. AliFazal 11:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose. Picture is grainy and blurred, specially the people in the foreground. This takes place every year, so someone's got to be able to produce a better picture. -- snowolf D4 ( talk / @ ) 19:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
* Oppose Per above. 8thstar 03:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
* Support The picture is well taken but the camera is not to be proud of. However considering the circumstances and the difficulty in taking pictures of this kind, I guess I have to support the picture. <IP_ADDRESS> 06:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
MER-C 10:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC) | WIKI |
Silicone resin
Silicone resins are a type of silicone material which is formed by branched, cage-like oligosiloxanes with the general formula of R_{n}SiX_{m}O_{y}, where R is a non-reactive substituent, usually methyl (Me = \sCH3) or phenyl (Ph = \sC6H5), and X is a functional group: hydrogen (\sH), hydroxyl (\sOH), chlorine (\sCl) or alkoxy (\sO-). These groups are further condensed in many applications, to give highly crosslinked, insoluble polysiloxane networks.
When R is methyl, the four possible functional siloxane monomeric units are described as follows:
* "M" stands for trimethylsilanol, Me3SiO;
* "D" for Me2SiO2;
* "T" for MeSiO3;
* "Q" for SiO4.
Note that a network of only Q groups becomes fused quartz.
The most abundant silicone resins are built of D and T units (DT resins) or from M and Q units (MQ resins), however many other combinations (MDT, MTQ, QDT) are also used in industry.
Silicone resins represent a broad range of products. Materials of molecular weight in the range of 1000–10,000 are very useful in pressure-sensitive adhesives, silicone rubbers, coatings and additives. Polysiloxane polymers with reactive side group functionality such as vinyl, acrylate, epoxy, mercaptan or amine, are used to create thermoset polymer matrix composites, coatings and adhesives.
Silicone resins are prepared by hydrolytic condensation of various silicone precursors. In early processes of preparation of silicone resins sodium silicate and various chlorosilanes were used as starting materials. Although the starting materials were the least expensive ones (something typical for industry), structural control of the product was very difficult. More recently, a less reactive tetraethoxysilane - (TEOS) or ethyl polysilicate and various disiloxanes are used as starting materials.
Microbial deterioration
The algae Stichococcus bacillaris, and certain fungal species have been seen to colonize silicone resins used at archaeological sites. | WIKI |
-- Asia-Pacific Corporate Default Rate Set to `Drop Sharply,' Moody's Says
Asia-Pacific corporate defaults will
“drop sharply” in 2010 as the region’s economy and credit
markets strengthen, according to Moody’s Investors Service.
The speculative-grade default rate for non-financial
companies in the Asia-Pacific region, excluding Japan, will
plunge to about 3.5 percent this year, from 17 percent in 2009,
Clara Lau , a Moody’s analyst, she said in a statement from the
New York-based rating company today.
“The sharp expected decline in the default rate for Asia
Pacific reflects the significantly better credit market
environment and progressively improving economic conditions in
the region,” Lau said.
The rate of corporate failures globally is forecast to fall
to 2.4 percent by the end of the year from 13 percent at the end
of 2009. The scenario is based on the assumption of continued
economic recovery and relatively stable credit spreads
throughout the rest of the year, Lau said.
“Further contributing to the lower default rate is the
overall increased accessibility by the region’s speculative-
grade companies to the bank and capital markets,” Lau said.
The extra yield investors demand to own Asian dollar-
denominated high-yield corporate bonds rather than government
debt tightened to 792 basis points from a six-month high of 800
basis points on June 7, according to Bank of America Corp.
indexes. A basis point is 0.01 percentage points.
High-yield, or junk, bonds are rated below Baa3 by Moody’s
and BBB- by Standard & Poor’s.
To contact the reporter on this story:
Shelley Smith in Hong Kong at
ssmith118@bloomberg.net | NEWS-MULTISOURCE |
Informant (linguistics)
An informant or consultant in linguistics is a native speaker or member of a community who acts as a linguistic reference for a language or speech community being studied. The informant's role is that of a senior interpreter, who demonstrates native pronunciation, provides grammaticality judgments regarding linguistic well-formedness, and may also explain cultural references and other important contextual information to researchers from other cultures studying the language. Linguistic informants, especially those who frequently work with linguists, may play a greater than usual role in the researcher's work, and other titles such as consultant or coauthor may be used to acknowledge and accurately reflect that contribution.
Ethics concerns
In any research situation, there is "an unequal relationship between investigator and informants" – if that inequality already existed before the research, it tends to amplify it. (This power differential is generally true despite clear examples of shifting power dynamics between researcher and informant, which are important to also consider.) This inequality has led to questions of ethics and the responsibility of linguists and other researchers to the populations that they study. Standard contributions to this discussion stressed the importance of not engaging in unethical behaviors, such as "coercing subjects to participate or neglecting to get informed consent from them; exploiting or abusing them in the course of research; violating their privacy or breaching confidentiality." These standard requirements were framed in the idea of "do no harm." However, these considerations are now being increasingly viewed as inadequate, since researchers "often feel a more positive desire to help [their informants]." This advocacy can take many forms, but is characterized by its impulse to somehow give back to the community that the researcher is studying. This can be taken a step further when linguists give the communities access to their findings or data, so that the communities can use it to advocate for themselves, which is characterized as "empowerment" research (in contrast to "ethical" or "advocacy" research). It can also be valuable to use "'feedback' techniques," wherein the researcher maintains communication with the informants throughout the process to ensure that they consent to the ways they are being represented in the final presentation of results. Ben Rampton used 'feedback' techniques in his study of Asian schoolboys, and Norma Mendoza-Denton also did in her work with Californian cholas' views on makeup. These questions of advocacy also have larger implications, namely in a critique of the positivist methods generally used for research in the social sciences. | WIKI |
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Archive 4
Archives from August 2008 - Current
Featured pictures
Some good news here with an apology for not having dropped by sooner. Your project page lists only three featured pictures. Actually there are several more that relate to your project. Below is a gallery of image restorations I've done in the past few months that relate to your project. Best wishes, and there may be more soon. Durova Charge! 20:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
For that matter, there's several high-quality engravings of the Franco-Prussian war that are featured =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Featured sounds
I've been a bit helpful and updated your list. We have a number of French Featured Sounds now. We could use more, though: Feel free to nominate some! Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Which date format to use?
There is an ongoing debate at the talk page for WP:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) as to whether to use day-month-year or month-day-year date format in articles with a strong tie to a specific country. The debate has reached the point where the choice is between the format actually used in the country, or dependent on the variety of English used in articles about that country. This is straightforward for countries such as the U.S.A. or the U.K., but problematic when considering countries where English is not an official language. With the removal of date autoformatting, editors will increasingly see dates presented in "raw" form, rather than as set in user preferences. The current proposal is found here. --Pete (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Bizarre calendar articles
Please help Someone should take a look at French Republican Calendar/Yx and the articles linked to it from the template at the bottom. They include some really bizarre trilingual content. If you need me, please post on my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
* If you mean the month (e.g. Vendémiaire) and day (e.g. Primidi) names, these are what they were called - because this calendar was such a bizarre and short-lived thing, they are intrinsically just-about-untranslateable. However I agree this could be better presented on the page itself. Mcewan (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* It's complicated. I have never been able to truly get my head wrapped around the concept of non-Gregorian calenders. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* If you whant an exemple of use ofg this calendar you can look here :
* Some french people always use it for fun is their mail/news reader. Yves-Laurent (talk) 07:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Note
I left a short note here - it may be that few people are watching it. Ben Mac Dui 08:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Stubs needed: Canals of Paris
We have an okay stub on Canal Saint-Martin, but we still need Canal Saint-Denis, Canal de l'Ourcq, and Bassin de la Villette (and possibly others - I don't know.) (Please add any others needed below.) fr.wikipedia has good articles on these that we can translate, and nice Wikimedia Commons photos that we can use - might take only a half-hour or an hour of work to give us here at en.wikipedia good articles on these. Thanks -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
* I might be able to take a look at this, after I finish off Communes of Pas-de-Calais in the next couple of days. If anyone else wants to beat me to it - that'd be fine ! Dickie (talk) 07:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, I'm gonna bite. Canal Saint-Denis should be blue in a moment. Anyone want to proofread when these are done? Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* I also recommend we work on translating Navette fluviale sur la Seine. Looks like a good article. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* Nice work! I'll have a go at proof-reading now Mcewan (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* Done. Hope that's OK Mcewan (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* Also, is "deviation" correct for canal de déviation? I wasn't sure how to translate it. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* Mmmm. Déviation on a road sign is a "detour", but that's not quite right for a canal. "Divert" might be useful somewhere. I'll keep thinking. Mcewan (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* Also, what is a "gare de l'eau"? Is it pumping station? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* Not certain. but much more likely to be a "port", or "berth" (i.e. the canal equivalent of a railway "gare") Mcewan (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* See what you think opf the current version's rendering Mcewan (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, thanks! Copy editing looks good. I'm starting on Canal de l'Ourcq, but it's a fairly long article and will probably take me awhile. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
* I've started translation of the Ourcq article in my Sandbox, feel free to add to it! Lazulilasher (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* DYK? By the way, I think all of these articles would be good candidates for DYK. We just need to finish the translation, look at sources, cite, and write hooks. Here are two good sources I got on Google Books: and . Lazulilasher (talk) 04:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad I brought this up! Looks like there is "stuff" here to work on. :-) Thanks to all working on this! -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* - "Canal de déviation" is a "shortcut"?? (Guessing based on some descriptions I've read.)
* - Re "gare de l'eau": In castles that have a door opening directly onto a moat or river, this is sometimes called in English a "water gate". I've no idea whether this is relevant. (E.g., Newport Castle says that this castle has a "water-gate or dock".) -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* A Gare d'eau is certainly where barges would tie up to be loaded/unloaded, but Gare de l'eau - not sure. Dickie (talk) 09:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Storming of the bastille
Could someone check the translation of the captions at Image:Storming the bastille 4.jpg? Narayanese (talk) 02:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
* Hi - here's my tupp'orth:
* Caption one, first sentence : The citizens of Paris led by the Gardes Françaises on 14 July 1789 - (led is simpler than having at their head (IMO)) (The rest is OK (ish))
* Caption two should be in the present tense: This is how we punish traitors
* Cheers Dickie (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
* Thanks, will copy your translation. I'm quite sure prise doesn't mean prison, so I'll change it to storming (revert me if I'm wrong). Narayanese (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* prise means literally "to take", but as a noun it can mean "storming", as in la prise de la Bastille, thus your use of "storming" is correct. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Project Redesign Discussion
It appears that we're starting to pick up some incrased collaboration here (see above regarding canals). In that spirit, I'd like to begin a discussion regarding the redesign of the project, in order to further increase such colloboration. I have redesigned the project page (see draft on my userspace), and would like to implement a review department similar to Military History and Chicago, in order that articles can get increased momentum and knowledgeable input through the review processes. I believe this would help us create the most informative and accurate encyclopedia on French topics. Also, I was wondering how everyone felt about trying to create a "Collaboration Department", where we nominate articles on a roughly bi-weekly schedule. These articles would then be focused on by the community. Any other ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
* I like the redesign - nice work. One thing that I find slightly confusing (in the old design as well) is the relationship of infobox-type insert on the right of the page to the page itself. While it's technically very clever, I would prefer just to see the contained information in the text of the pag (or as links). This might just be my inexperience, however.
* Review department seems like a good idea.
* Collaboration Department - possibly, but I personally tend to wander off on all sorts of tangents, so would not necessarily be able to contribute every time. Cheers Mcewan (talk) 12:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Considering the Collaboration department, how about just having a sub-header discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter with the next target article appearing in the newsletter? It would probably also be a good way to insure that the newsletter stays alive.
* New project page: How about making the intro stand out a bit more? I'm not to sure how exactly though.
* I also removed a few external links... Good luck, Chris DHDR 14:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* I remove the WP:France-related topics notice board link as that page is marked as superseded (although there are a lot of links to it). Should I update them? Mcewan (talk) 15:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Wow, thanks for replying everyone! Chris, thanks for removing the links. I agree re: the subheader in the newsletter, good idea. I'll make the intro stand out more. McEwan, I agree about the navigation box. I've been thinking about updating it a bit. I think it should definitely be shorter--the navigation template hasn't been updated since March. Hmm...maybe it could be removed, but I think it's userful to have a navigation template. Would you like it more at the top/bottom of the page? Lazulilasher (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* At the top I think (but I may well not be representative). And preferably in everyproject page. When I click a link in it and it disappears, it loses my trust, as it were, as a navigation aid. Mcewan (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Other Idea: the members page WikiProject France/Members is a bit of a mess. There are 3 separate sections (Active, Inactive and a table) that all contradict one another. The table is probably the best representation, but it appears at the bottom. It's also a shame that new users have to do quite a tricky edit to get into the table. Yet another view of members (generated from user page categories I presume) can be had at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:WikiProject_France_members and of course this is a different set from the other page. This all conspires to leave a not-very-favourable impression on a new member. I'd be willing to help with sorting this out, but don't quite know where to start Mcewan (talk) 18:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* McEwan, go ahead and do what you're able to the members page. I've looked at it as well, and am perplexed as to why there are 3 different categories. Agreed--it leaves a disorganized impression to a new member. Ok, I'm still in the process of updating the new project page draft, check it out here. I'm going to add tabs to the top, then I think we can finally get rid of the sidebar...Lazulilasher (talk) 19:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* I really like the way this is going now. Has a very clean, modern look. Mcewan (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Redesign Draft
Ok, I have a draft pretty well set-up in my userspace. I've used a tab design (to eliminate the sidebar that people seemed not to like), as well as transcluded pages (making editing the actual pages easier). I think this provides a much cleaner and easier design. Let me know if you like it, and I will begin to import. Notes: to edit the sections, just click on the small "edit" in the top right. Note also: Not all of the tabs/links are going to work properly until the draft is imported into the projectspace. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Looking very good indeed. Would a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=&target=Template%3AWikiProject+France&showlinkedto=1&title=Special%3ARecentChangesLinked (sorry couldn't construct a proper wikilink) be useful somewhere? There's some stuff in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Technical_notes that I don't quite understand yet. Also (minor) the userboxes appear below the awards text. Great work, again. Mcewan (talk) 20:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ya, it would. I'm going to add that and an "Open Tasks" to the announcements section. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* I haven't had a chance to look at everything yet, but at first glance the new design looks nice. As stated above, WP:France-related topics notice board and French Collaboration Project are both long dead. so make sure there are no more active links to them. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 23:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ya, sadly they are. What do you think about France tasks? It's not really been actively updated often. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* There should be place to go to find requests like that - useful for a newcomer like me looking for basic tasks. I used that list to start working on Antoine de la Sale, for instance. However lists generated from page tags would be preferable. Is it possible to generate a list of intersections of tags? Mcewan (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* There's a bot currently in development which will be able to automatically generate such lists--however, it's not currently operable. In the interim, I'll add the open tasks template into the new design. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&target=Category%3ATranslation_sub-pages%2Ffr&hideminor=0&days=30&limit=500 Mcewan (talk) 23:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* I think the best translation request list is this one. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, I added the France tasks template back on....Mcewan, since you're observing the feeds, would you mind updating the template from time to time? It doesn't seem to done to often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* I will certainly have a go. There seems to be some overlap between the above translation lists anyway. And also with our requests for articles (which are often translations) Mcewan (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Ya, there is. We really need someone with a good eye (hint hint) to update lists to keep them accurate. The current task template hasn't changed in a long while. I remember when I was a newbie, I used it for a work-list, also. It could be much more valuable if it were updated by someone who keeps an eye on the feed, and add/removes articles often. Lazulilasher (talk) 00:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Heh, hint taken. I'll do what I can. Mcewan (talk) 00:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Right now, I'm taking articles from the Top Importance France category and adding them to the template....seems like a good enough place to start :) Lazulilasher (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* (undent) one thing that other projects do is a "Tag & Assess Drive" where a few weeks are spent by the project members combing through the articles to assess and tag them, in order that collaboration become more organized. I would consider perhaps doing that after we get the redesign up.
Everyone seems generally OK with the new design, so barring any notifications, I think I am going to import the new design tomorrow AM. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Style for arrondissements
I see in the new stub Canal Saint-Denis that 19th arrondissement is in redlink as of today, however we do have an article at XIXe arrondissement. So, IMHO we need to: (1) Make sure that we are using a standard format for the titles of all the articles on arrondissements (Arab numerals or Roman numerals)
* I'm seeing the style 4th arrondissement of Paris for at least some of these.
(2) (Probably) include in WikiProject France's info a recommendation for which format shall be preferred on Wikipedia. (3) Make sure that there are redirects from one format to the other for all titles of articles on arrondissements . (Newbies? Want to help out but don't feel confident of tackling anything complicated yet? Your chance. :-) ) (Cf. Arrondissements, Arrondissements of France, Municipal arrondissement, Municipal arrondissements of France, Arrondissements of Paris, and others.) Thanks, all. -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Moved to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (France & French-related) Chris DHDR 14:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* As a side note, I've noticed this before. For whatever reason, it's nearly impossible to get the arrondissements link right....Lazulilasher (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* It seems that the 4th arrondissement of Paris article was moved by one unfamiliar with Roman numerals - but the author of this action didn't seem to dare port his changes to all similar articles. One method or the other would do - but I suggest that a 'secondary' method - Roman or Numerical - redirect to the dominant other. Cheers. THE PROMENADER 05:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* Agreed. Some are redirected, others are not (I think). Lazulilasher (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Monaco
While we're in re-design mode, I see that there's a WikiProject for Monaco. Should we remove Monaco from our remit? I don't have strong feelings either way. Mcewan (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Hmm...I didn't know there was a WikiProject Monaco. I would suggest that, yes, we do. However, we should ask over there what they think, also. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* Seems to be a child of a European Microstates project. I'll let you do the talking :) Mcewan (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
* I think the Monaco WP is mainly inactive. I move we keep things as they are, for the time being. Until that project starts to get off the ground, at least. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Redesign
There seemed to be support for the redesign in the above conversation, so I have imported the design from my userspace to the Project. As it is new, please note any errors or mistakes. Perhaps we can now start working on the Newsletter? Lazulilasher (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* From the looks of the project's page, I take it that there are some fans of WikiProject Physics here? Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 07:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* Yep, and some WP:MILHIST, also. :) Lazulilasher (talk) 12:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for France
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7. We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations. A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
* undefined was updated with the articles on the above list. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The Bald Eagle is secretly French
As evidenced by the Talk:Bald Eagle page category list. This article is in the Wikipedia 0.7 selection. I think it's caused by it being in the St Pierre and Miquelon articles category. That category has the following ancestors:
So I can see the logic, but it's a bizarre result. There are quite a few others too, many with an ornithological flavour - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon_articles I have absolutely no idea what to do about this, so I thought I would just point it out. Mcewan (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
* There are a lot of curiosities in the WPFrance template tagging (go through the Category:B-Class France articles or Category:Start-Class France articles to see many). Should German language really be included in WikiProject France? Should Aga Khan IV? There are many like this where the tagging has a certain logic, and yet....- NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
* Well I'm still trying to figure this out, but I think there two separate problems -
* German language and Aga Khan IV are directly tagged, and the correctness or otherwise of that tagging can be discussed and the articles changed if necessary. So, while it might turn out to be contentious, fixing it is easy.
* The Bald Eagle, on the other hand, inherits his Frenchness by occasionally visiting St Pierre and Miquelon, via the category hierarchy. This inheritance is generally a good thing, otherwise WP:WikiProject French communes etc would drop out of the parent category, but with obviously daft unintended consequences. Fixing this is much harder because if the eagle's Caribbean trips are an ornithologically verifiable fact, then he certainly belongs in Category:Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles, and that category certainly belongs in Category:WikiProject France. It's as if we need some way of marking the the category tag on a given page as non-transitive.
* Forgive me if this all well-known and obvious, I'm still finding my way around. I suppose my concern is that if, for example, Bald Eagle ends up in a list of French articles in a DVD, it will just be ammunition for detractors. It's not so bad on a Talk page. On the upside, it's a GA :) Mcewan (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Cleanup listing
We now have a bot-reported list of related articles needing cleanup of some sort. The list is cross-referenced with importance and class parameters. Additionally, there is a list compiling the total number of tags on a particular article. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Michel Foucault FAR
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Should there be a Paris WikiProject?
I am surprised to learn that, of the European cities, Paris does not have a WikiProject. Is anyone interested in starting, at the minimum, a Paris task force? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
* There is an (inactive) Paris streets task force so how about making that into a more general Paris task force? Chris DHDR 18:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
* That sounds like a good idea, DHDR :) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
* I think it's a good idea, also--hand over the Streets taskforce into a more general Parisian task force. Lazulilasher (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
* When the Parisian task force is ready I'll mark lots of articles as part of the task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
* Also, let's start taking a look at what needs to be done to begin implementation--what do you think? Will we need to modify the WP:France template with a "Parisian task force" tag? I think this would be a great thing to start organizing the Parisian portion of the project. Lazulilasher (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
* Yes, we need a Paris task force tag - We have that with WikiProject Japan, which has a Tokyo task force. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
* Sorry for the delay in response. Hmm...the template is fully protected, and I'm not sure what syntax we would use. Do you have any ideas? Lazulilasher (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I am not that good at editing templates, but I am an admin, so I can edit the template. On WikiProject Japan we have tf=Tokyo as our syntax. Does WikiProject France have a tf tag? Maybe tf=Paris? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
* From what I can tell, the template uses a parser function to call the bit about the task force is tf=yes or whatever. I'm not a template expert, but I think it can be done. How about I put one together in my userspace and then you can take a look at it? It'd be great to get the taskforces going here. Lazulilasher (talk) 05:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
* Sure thing! :) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I cant believe there isn't already a Paris WikiProject. I'll help out with whatever I can. Just contact me. Jor dan Contribs 10:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Ok, I made a copy of our project banner in my userspace (see here: draft). I added a new parameter, modelled after WikiProject Japan's system (thank you WhisperToMe). The syntax for this new parameter will be: tf=Paris, added in the same manner as Japan's. Here is the code if anyone's interested: }}
And here is what the template looks like if the tf=Paris parameter is added:
Let me know if there is anything else to be added. I also like how WP:Tokyo allows their tasklist to be transcluded onto the template. Maybe something to think about? Lazulilasher (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* So far that's great! - Maybe one more picture to add could be a Paris-related picture. I'll go add the TF Paris to a bunch of articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* You need to edit the actual template first :) I can't do it, as it's a fully protected template. Oh, and we should create the task force, first....Lazulilasher (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, here is another version, at User:Lazulilasher/WPFranceTemp2 that uses a Commons icon. Please note, this version uses another code for the template. The code for this is:
Please note, the main difference is that this format requires that each time we create a new taskforce, we add a bit of code which adds a new taskforce to parameter "tf". So, if we create taskforce Marseilles then we would add a similar line of code, but for Marseilles. The first draft allows any argument to be given for "tf" and creates a wikilink to whatever that argument is (which means it could be redlinked). I like the 2nd version better. Anyway, here it is:
Lazulilasher (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* The picture looks good! I think this is ready to be added to the code. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
* Go for it, remember to take out the "THIS IS A DRAFT IN LAZULI...." part :) Lazulilasher (talk) 17:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Adolphe Thiers, AWB "Thiers" -> "Theirs"
* I left a note on Talk:Adolphe Thiers about the need for a lang template on Thiers' name, whenever not part of a link... else someone will change his name to "Theirs"... Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 04:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
* Doing.....Done....(I believe) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Agathe de Rambaud
I'm a little out of my depth on this one, but I attempted a rewrite of an informative but poorly written article on Louis XVII's royal nurse. Unfortunately, I have little background when it comes to the French Revolution as my interests lie in WWII, so aside from tightening up the language and rearranging some pictures there was little I could do to improve the article. I added your WikiProject banner to the talk page sans assessment, but would appreciate some more eyes and hands on the article as the references aren't always clear and the bibliography is confusing as well. She seems to be an important figure in pre-French Revolution court life, and noted as well for her connection to Louis XVII impersonator Karl Wilhelm Naundorff. Thanks. A ni Mate 23:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Paris Task Force
Per the discussion above, WikiProject France has initiated the Paris Taskforce. The Project banner has been updated allowing articles to be tagged as part of the taskforce. To tag an article as such, add this parameter: |tf=Paris. Here is an example: Please help us prepare the new taskforce by tagging articles, proposing collaboration ideas, and updating the Taskforce Page. Kindest regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 18:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Girondist: Clear definition needed in lead
Girondist does not (though IMHO should) clearly state in the lead just what ideas or positions characterized this group. Anybody? (Obviously, please add info to that article - don't just discuss here.) -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
* Hmm...you're correct, it could use a little patching up. I am not particularly knowledgeable, I'll look and see if I can find someone who is, however. If you happen to be that person, feel free to update (hint, hint :) I'll also place the article on our list of "to-do"s to see if that garners any assistance from editors. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
A note to everyone about commune pages
WikiProject France tags should not be replaced with WP:FRCOM tags, as they are two separate projects and both tags should be on all commune pages. Just letting everyone know this. jj137 ( talk ) 23:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
* Thanks for the heads up. I've actually wondered that -- I don't think I removed any tags, but this question definitely crossed my mind. Lazulilasher (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
* Yes, mine too- I had to go through it to make sure I was right about it, as it was one of those times where I just stopped and thought, "Wait... what?" I'm trying to go back and add the WP:FR tags to as many pages as I can whenever I find the time, but there are so many communes it's just insane. :P jj137 ( talk ) 03:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* Wasn't there, at one point, a discussion about merging the projects? We could make communes a taskforce under WP France. That would eliminate the confusion. It would not, however, eliminate the need to update tags. I'm not saying I'm for/against the notion; but, it would be logical. Lazulilasher (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* I like the idea. At WP:MLB a bunch of the team projects were (sort of) "merged" into the main baseball project, so we could do something like that. I don't see why the projects couldn't be merged though. jj137 ( talk ) 00:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* Hmm...I'd be up for it. Do you know any automated way in which we could update the tags? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* Sort of. If you see this page, there's some syntax there we could use to add the French communes template to the WP:FR template, but the complexity of that template is beyond me. I'll ask Borgarde (who did it) if he can give us a bit of help here. jj137 ( talk ) 00:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* I can add the template syntax (look just above in the "Should we have a Paris taskforce" section); we just did it...but, I am wondering if there's an automated bot of some sort which could change all of the commune tags to a new taskforce tag? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* Maybe an AWB run? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey guys, it's not hard to implement a change at all. It's up to you what to do with the projects (whether keep them separate or have two different projects), but a moving the communes into the french banner is easy enough. I'll take a look at it and get back to you shortly.. —Borgardetalk 05:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* To note the question about removing the template as well, I'm sure a bot could do it easy enough to transfer the template to a parameter on the France banner. —Borgardetalk 05:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* Perfect...now I've got one more question, now that you're here. If you notice on the template: we just added the Paris taskforce. Is there a way to have the tagged page automatically sorted into a "Paris Taskforce" category? I couldn't figure it. Thanks! Lazulilasher (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I updated the template to now include communes; just add |commune=yes to the end of the WP:FR template to add the commune parameter. If anyone objects or thinks I shouldn't have done this, just say so (or revert me). jj137 ( talk ) 20:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* I think it's a go. We sent a newsletter out asking for comments and it's still only you & I here: and we agree. So, are the projects merged? Should we move the Commune Project into a task force page? I like this; I feel that the project is starting to coalesce. Thanks for the template work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* Ah, no problem, I basically just copied the part for the Paris task force and rewrote it. The actual projects merging may be more of a difficult task, simply because it seems the WP:FRCOM project is relatively large. I do like the idea of the projects merging, though, and if at least a couple more people commented on that, it wouldn't take too long to merge WP:FRCOM to the main France WikiProject. The good thing is, WP:FRCOM is almost entirely communes, so it could be simply a task force/subproject. I guess I just don't like the idea of merging something of that size when only two people have even commented. jj137 ( talk ) 21:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* No, I don't either. I've not been to FRCOM. Is it active? Perhaps we should begin the process. If there is activity on that project, perhaps it could bring new blood here, too. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* It's sort of active; it was very active when the pages were being created, but not nearly as much since that task was completed. It probably would bring some new blood here if we could get people active on it again, as I'm not really sure why people almost just stopped working on it completely. jj137 ( talk ) 21:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* This user is certainly active! For the past year or so, I've been beavering away turning one-liner commune entries into a pagefull of info, mostly from the fr:wiki equivalent. (e.g.Oherville) I really don't mind under which project banner they reside. NB I believe WP:FRCOM also includes cantons, arrondissements, and communautés de communes. Dickie (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Great to see you, Dickie :) I like the idea of one project with divisions because it flows logically and provides one community discussion board. I think it may help to keep active contributors active and involved in discussion. Just an idea. Lazulilasher (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Aah, OK, sorry about that Dickie. :) I guess I really wasn't paying enough attention there. Also, I agree with you, Lazulilasher- it keeps discussion easier, and no other country's communes have separate projects, they are just a part of the main project. jj137 ( talk ) 17:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
(undent) Wow, I didn't know there was a FRCOM and FRDepartment project (thought there was only one). Would both of these be brought under the larger WP:FRANCE framework? Lazulilasher (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* It's probably academic. WikiProject French départements has, I believe, finished its work. WikiProject French communes, however, still has a lot of communes to bring on over to the English wiki. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* Heh, where are they? I thought WP:FRCOM finished bringing over all of the communes, but I figured they might have missed a couple here and there (nobody's perfect :)). jj137 ( talk ) 01:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* Hmm. You're right to a point. There are indeed no more red links (that I can find) for French communes. But WP:Communes was also to transfer the Template:French commune infobox on all those pages (see WP page for how-to), and most of the Fr. communes lack the infobox.- NYArtsnWords (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* Ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, a lot of those pages still do not have the infobox, and about 99% of them are still very basic stubs. The bad thing is, some (key word there) of the people that worked on creating them stopped working on them after they finished creating all of them. jj137 ( talk ) 03:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* The WP French communes is still active and all French commune articles have been created. Admittedly, the Project page is not updated, but see WikiProject French communes/Status for more details. You can also have a look at the history of this page to get a sense of the progress of the project. I don't mind if the French commune project is somewhat included into the main France project, but I would very much appreciate if I still could have statistics like these ones: Version 1.0 Editorial Team/French communes articles by quality statistics. Replacing the Wikiproject communes tag by a generic Wikiproject France tag seems to lead to a loss of information. Could we just keep both WikiProject France tags and WP:FRCOM tags instead of turning all tags into WikiProject France tags? Note also that the French Wikipedia has a separate Communes project . olivier (talk) 04:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
* That is a good point; I didn't think of that. Should we switch it back? I am not the most knowledgeable person. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
* I think there is a way to keep the WP:FRCOM tag on the WP:FR one without losing the WP:FRCOM data in the table you linked to. As a similar example, the WP:MLB template was recently updated to include WP:SOX, and while many talk page tags were updated for that, it seems nothing was changed on the WP:SOX table. I'm not the best person when it comes to wikisyntax, so I don't know exactly how to fix it, although I'm pretty sure there is a way. Overall, I really have no preference when it comes to whether or not the WP:FRCOM tag is separate, although if we can figure out a way to not lose those statistics for WP:FRCOM, I think it would be easier/better to keep them as one tag. I'll stop changing these talk pages until we can get some sort of (better) consensus on this. jj137 ( talk ) 17:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
* Great, thanks! It looks like the current WikiProject France tags are leading to a loss of data for the communes Project. Unfortunately, I do not know how to fix that either. So, since we agree, let's have both tags until the WikiProject France tags can do the job properly. olivier (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
* That sounds good to me. I'll go back later today and re-add the WP:FRCOM tags to all of the pages I removed them from. Do you think it would be a good idea to remove the |commune=yes parameter from the WP:FR tags, or should I just leave them for now? jj137 ( talk ) 17:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
* Wait...I'm confused (not the first time). Is the WP:France banner tag causing the problem; or is the removal of the communes tag? And to clarify: we need the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project? Sorry if I've been absent the past few days, I've been working on Marquis de Lafayette and French Revolution. Cdt, Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
* Jj137: I think it would be better to keep the |commune=yes parameter in the WP:FR tags for the time being. If we finally decide to only keep a fixed version of the WP:FR tags, then this parameter will be useful.
* Lazulilasher: the removal of the communes tag is causing a problem at the moment, because the WP:France banner does not automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project. If this can be fixed and we can have the WP:France banner to automatically add the tagged article to the category that feeds to the commune project, then I think that we would have solved the problem. We probably wouldn't need the WP:FRCOM tags any longer, but only the WP:France ones with the |commune=yes parameter. Thanks all! olivier (talk) 01:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
* Yes, that sounds about right. I'll go back today tomorrow (when I will have more time) and re-add the tags. jj137 ( talk ) 01:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, good. I know it's possible to have the tag automatically pull in the category...that's basically what userboxes do (and the WP france banner, in general). I'm going to see if I can figure it in the next day or so. Lazulilasher (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
* Sounds great. I'll delay a little while updating these talk pages if you are going to try to figure it out. I just want to be certain I'm doing the correct thing on the talk pages so that I don't have to go around a third time. jj137 ( talk ) 21:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
* Hi Lazulilasher! Could you find a fix to the WP:FR/WP:FRCOM template problem? I might help in automating the WP:FR substitution process with STTWbot. Also I could add "tf=Paris" to all the articles under if needed. --STTW (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Newsletter?
I think that we're building momentum on the project. I noticed that back in March, began a newsletter. I think that putting together a new newsletter might help to bring some inactive members back to the project, focus ideas about collaboration, and provide news about what we've been up to (we just added a Paris taskforce). Does anyone want to help get this together? Think it's a good idea? Lazulilasher (talk) 02:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
* I've had a look through the archives of the newsletters of other projects, so as to see what sort of format is generally used, the style of writing, and what the actual content of the newsletter should be like. Before I edit the draft, I need to check up on a few thing, namely:
There are several other ideas and factors that need to be taken into consideration. Will recent successful Featured Article candidates be announced by the newsletter, and will Good Articles also be given recognition? I am willing to commit myself to the newsletter, and would enjoy working on it. If any other editors feel the same, could they propose any of their ideas and suggestions here on this talk page? Jor dan Contribs 14:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* 1) So far as I can determine, the last newsletter was released on 9 December 2007. Should the new members section be updated with members who have joined the project since then, or only those who joined in the last month?
* 2) Will a newsletter be released every month? I believe that with the right amount of participants, this could be easily achieved.
* 3) Will records be kept of all those who have received the French Barnstar of National Merit, found here, so that this information can be posted on the newsletter?
* Hey Jordan, I am going to try and reply to your questions above. I would welcome any new members after an arbitrary cut-off: say July, 2008. Perhaps it would be a good idea to mention that we are redesigning, and hoping to build an improved platform for collaboration (and ask them to stop in!). I'd like to start releasing a newsletter at least once per month; maybe even every 2 weeks if we can manage. If anyone has received the award recently, I would note it. I would add the FA/GA noms (ask for input) AND recent promotes. Maybe we can also start getting a collaboration together? Hope this helps! Lazulilasher (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* I'll get to writing it straight away. Thanks for your answers. Additional suggestions may be made at the newsletter talk page. I will be working on a rough draft on this user page. Jor dan Contribs 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Affaire des caporaux de Souain needs translation
Paths of Glory says that the novel "is supposed to be inspired by a real case; the affair of the Souain corporals", and links to the fr.wikipedia article Affaire des caporaux de Souain at. We apparently don't have an article on this in en.wikipedia yet - anybody care to translate? -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, we'll get to work. Also, this one should get some attention as well: Loi constitutionnelle du 23 juillet 2008 Lazulilasher (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Collaboration? French Revolution?
Chers collaborateurs: I was hoping that we begin a collaboration in order to bring more Top-Importance France articles up to, at a minimum, GA status. Hopefully, we can achieve FA with many. I'm currently working on Louvre, and would appreciate any help. However, I was wondering if anyone would want to help with French Revolution. Obviously, this a wide subject; thus, any help would be appreciated! Let's get started. I'm going to the library today, anyway. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* Great idea. I'll help out where I can. Perhaps we could initiate a formal "Collaboration of the Week" or "Collaboration of the Month"? It would be a good idea, and would formailize the process, thus clearly defining a set project goal. I'd gladly set one up. Jor dan Contribs 15:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Go for it. Draw up a draft, and maybe make a template message we can use to send to editors with an expressed interest in that period (see the list on our members' page and on similar pages, such as MILHIST's French military taskforce). The article receives over 3,000 views per day and is in the top 2,500 pages by views on the entire en-wiki. It deserves a comprehensive, professional article. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* I've started up a rough page, to be found here. What do you think? Jor dan Contribs 18:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Redesign
I've made a few minor adjustments to the project pages. I have created a navigation templete, as well as separating the article status page into two parts. Featured and good content now has its own project page. The navigation template may be seen on all of the project's pages, on the right hand side of the page. If anyone has any ideas or objecions, please voice them here or on my talk page. Jor dan Contribs 20:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Er...I don't like it. Let's discuss first. We just went through a major redesign away from the sidebar template. The big problem is that it doesn't work with the transclusion style of page we use--i.e. it leaves a large blank space and there is much room for overlapping. I appreciate your boldness; and would discuss, but I prefer the tabs because they are more clear. I reverted. Feel free to continue the discussion here. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Also, because we use a transclusion format for the main project page, if you add a large nav template to one of the subpages then you have to use: ... . Otherwise, the result is malformed. I do like the nav template on the talk page, however, I don't think it works with the rest of the design, sorry. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* Lastly, see the old design's template which we removed about 3 weeks ago: Old Sidebar. Lazulilasher (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
* And what of its usage in the Review department? And on the other project pages? I agree with you in regard to the main page; however, I believe that it works on many of the other project pages. What do you think? Jor dan Contribs 10:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* I think it's fine on pages that don't start off with a transcluded introduction; so, on the review page I left them. I put the tabs back, as well. I think it looks fine now. You? Lazulilasher (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
* I must say I like it. I agree with you about the transclusions. I'll be sure to add ... to those pages that are transcluded. Also, what do you think of this? I see that you edited one of the templates, so thanks for that. My question is, what do you think of the page format? We also need someone to edit the France talk page banner, so as to include the collaboration candidate template. Jor dan Contribs 14:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Featured Lists needing clean up
Hello, the featured list List of French monarchs currently has a clean up tag for a lack of in-text citations. It would be great if a member of this project could take care of the issue, otherwise it may be nominated for removal. Once the issue is resolved, please indicate so here. Thank you, Scorpion0422 15:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Marquis de Lafayette at FAC
Just a head's up, in case anyone was interested in commenting. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Help request: 1563 France-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to France, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in France, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.
Why add coordinates?
By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.
How can I do it?
The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful, or if you have any questions! -- The Anome (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
* Note - if the article without geocoordinate data is a French commune, please use the Template:French commune infobox with copy/paste from the same commune on the French wiki (see WP:French communes for how-to) - NYArtsnWords (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
* Hmmm... two of the articles in the list above give me some concern. The first Broërec is a large (ish) geograpical area, so where should the coords be set? At the geographical centre ? (how do you calculate it?), or on the largest town perhaps ? The other example above Serres, Meurthe-et-Moselle has an infobox, which does show the linked coords, at top right, as usual. So how has it made it to your list ? Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
* Oh, I've just noticed you added the infobox today ! So sorry ! Dickie (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
T53 and T56
I just rated T 53 class destroyer Start class. It needs some help, more sources and information. also, the article T56 Needs to be made. Regards, -- Rayqayza Dialga Weird 2210 16:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
* Thanks for the notification. I'll further notify the French Military task force of the Military History Wikiproject. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
France articles needing geographic coordinates
articles in Category:France articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that France is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --
* 'Sfunny - this looks so similar to the request just two items above Dickie (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Incest in Ancien regime
I hope this is the right place to ask my question. What was the method of execution for people who had comitted incest in France before 1789? I have heard that the method for execution could be burning at the stake. Is this true? I would be much grateful for a reply. I hope someone want to answer! Thank you in advance! --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
* I remember that when I was in Tolouse there was a certain bridge (possibly called the Pont des Enfants, Bridge of Children) from which commiters of incest were thrown over into the river in a metal cage, therefore drowning them. That all I know, hope it helps. Chris DHDR 19:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
* That was interesting, thank you very much! But perhaps that was the method only in Toulouse? I would be grateful if anyone could tell me the method of execution in general. Can anyone help me with this? --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 12:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Lazare Ponticelli at FAR
nominated Lazare Ponticelli for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools FAR
nominated French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Le Monde
Does anyone have access to the Le Monde archives? If so, could you e-mail me a copy of BÉNIN Mort de l'ancien président Apithy? ~ the editorofthewiki ( talk / contribs / editor review ) ~ 21:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Québécois
Québécois has been proposed to be renamed Québécois (word) <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 03:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Francophone?
Is there a WikiProject for Francophonie, like there is for WP:COMMONWEALTH? <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
* To my knowledge: there is not. Not a bad idea; but, I would be concerned about overlap with those countries parent projects. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 03:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
* Though, on second thought: this project just completed a reorganization. I am wondering if perhaps we could implement a taskforce dealing with French and the Francophonie? Also, it may be of interest to have a taskforce organizing articles related to various French kreoles, patois, and dialects. Lazulilasher (talk) 03:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
* Or a Francophonie project can become parent to taskforces on countries that don't have their own Wikiprojects? <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 08:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
* Perhaps it can function as the WikiProject for articles about the French Language as well. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 09:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Arles: Archaeological museum
Alyscamps says: "The better of the remaining sarcophagi are now on display in the Museum of Ancient Arles, which has one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself." Arles mentions: "The town also has an outstanding museum of ancient history, the Musée de l'Arles et de la Provence antiques, with one of the best collections of Roman sarcophagi to be found anywhere outside Rome itself. Another museum is the Museon Arlaten." Could someone please create an article on Arles' archaeological museum(s), or if one already exists, make these redlinks redirect to it as appropriate? Thanks. -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
* fr.wikipedia has http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musée_de_l'Arles_et_de_la_Provence_antiques and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musée_Arlaten, so if anybody would like to take 20 minutes or so to translate, this would be good. (I won't be doing this myself.) Thanks again. -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
* I'll create the article and do what I can. Dickie (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
* Thx! Appreciated. -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 15:49, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
* Museon Arlaten article finally created! Olivier (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
The Nesle sisters
Which exact year did Louise-Julie de Mailly become the official mistress of Louis XV of France? (I have heard she was his mistress for years before she was officically recognised), and wich exact year did Pauline-Félicité de Mailly became the royal mistress? Article say 1740, is this correct? I hope someone can answer. Thank you! --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
* According to fr wiki, the first of the sisters was mistress to the king in 1733, but this was only confirmed on the birth of her child in 1737. The fr:wiki suggests Pauline-Felicite became a mistress in 1735 until 1741, i.e. partly concurrently with her sister. The third sister, Marie-Anne was mistress from 1742 till her death in 1744.
* That was interesting! Are you sure that Pauline-Felicite became mistress in 1735? that sounds very early. I have heard that she was the official mistress extremely shortly. Is this said anywhere else than wiki? --<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Parc de Saint Cloud
Several articles on early aviation history make reference to the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize, which involved flights from the Parc Saint Cloud or Parc de Saint Cloud or Parc of Saint-Cloud, depending on the article. Examples at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Parc+Saint+Cloud&fulltext=Search For example, from Alberto Santos-Dumont"'the Deutsch de la Meurthe prize. The challenge called for flying from the Parc Saint Cloud to the Eiffel Tower and back in less than thirty minutes.'"Is this the same place as Château de Saint-Cloud?? Should we make a redirect / redirects and/or make a mention of this in Château de Saint-Cloud? - <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 02:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
* It seems that, according the the French Wikipedia's articles Château de Saint-Cloud and Parc de Saint-Cloud, the palace was destroyed in 1892 and that the Parc de Saint Cloud was built in its place. Therefore the parc and the château were/are situated at the same place but aren't the same thing. If anyone has the time they could translate the French articles here to better explain the situation. Chris DHDR 12:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
* Let's get to work, kids :)Parc de Saint-Cloud should be blue linked in a minute...Lazulilasher (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
* What is "domaine national"? Is it like a National Park? Lazulilasher (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
* Ok, I did a rough version of the article. Please add to it :) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
* Public land gives one scentence. However according to fr:Domaine National it is a property (buildings, land, and furnishings (though this is disputed)) belonging to the government and considered a public utility. It can be a forest, a castle, a park, or roughly anything else. Chris DHDR 19:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Help with an artcle
I have created an article on Simon du Fleuve, but have realized that writing an article from Google translate is not as easy as I'd thought. Would someone that actually can speak French mind helping to find reliable sources? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 08:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Help with my english
Hello. I just added myself to this wikiproject. I read english better than I write it. Could some of you have a look, sometimes, on my contribs in Main, especially when i ask for reraed in edit summary ? Thanks in advance. Alvaro (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
* Hi Alvaro! I'll have a look occasionally - however it's "reread", not "reraed". A helpful tool, if you use firefox, would be the automatic spell checker. I myself am a horrendous speller and it helps me a lot. Chris DHDR 18:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
* Thanks for the occasional look and the FF's tip. "reraed" is a mistyping, I think ;D Alvaro (talk) 22:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
translation from fr:
Hello. I have a problem. What is the Best, the One , solution when I create an article from his french equivalent ? I saw a lot of solutions, including this: in the External links of Briare aqueduct. The perfect template exists, somewhere ? Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
* The French article from which this article was translated
* I'm sorry, but I don't understand a word of what you're saying. Could you please say it another way (or in French). Chris DHDR 19:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
* J'ai compris ! I use this for all the communes I'm processing Dickie (talk) 19:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
== Notes == *This article is based on the equivalent article from the French Wikipedia, consulted on January 14th 2009. (conflit d'édition) Arf, désolé ;D Have a look on Canal du Loing I created from fr:. Is the references section with Based on the article in the French Wikipedia the right solution? Merci d'avance. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
* Ok, merci Dickeybird. Alvaro (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
* I've just amended the article. References should be for any marked in the main text. I changed 'in' to 'at' for where the canal is, i.e. 'in Cepoy' to 'at Cepoy' Cordialement Dickie (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
* Merci beaucoup et bonne année. Alvaro (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
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Historic sites in France
Hi, there's a new WikiProject Historic sites which may develop articles on historic sites in France. Perhaps it will make sense to form a joint Task Force. For now, I've posted several questions about addressing historic sites in France, at wt:HSITES. Your input there would be most appreciated! Merci, doncram (talk) 16:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Devoucoux at AfD
Input would be appreciated at Articles for deletion/Devoucoux (2nd nomination). -- Banj e b oi 09:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Source Translation
Is anyone available who can translate this article from Le Figaro for use in the White Dog article? It appears to be a review of the book, which the article could really use, but on-line translators are not giving any usable info. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
* It's all about the opinions of a certain politician Jean-Louis Debré, and not about the book at all, except for a one-liner fact that it deals with racism. Of no use to the article whatsoever, imo Dickie (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
* Ah, pooh. Thanks for checking :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Help needed
Hi all. In Village I read Same general definition as in England... my problem is that most of the french rural communes have just one village with the town hall, the mayor, the market... Auroux, for exmple, 400 inhabitants. That doesn't match the definition as in England. My english is too bad to (try to) explain this in the article, hence my SOS here. Merci d'avance. Alvar ☮ ☎ 16:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
* Hi. Don't confuse the French commune (which must have a mairie & maire) and may have many settlements (hameaux, lieux-dit, villages) with the French village, which, as in England, maybe a collection of houses and perhaps a church, shop, pub/bar and can be any size from say 50 people to 5,000 or so. As you know, the concept of the 'commune' doesn't exist in Britain, villages are governed usually by the nearby town or the county. Hope that helps Dickie (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
* Yes. But... it's unclear. A village does not have a town hall nor a mayor. A lot of fr. communes have the name of the village in the commune, where you find the town hall, the market... Hmmm... no big deal, in fact. Merci. Alvar ☮ ☎ 18:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
RFC on date-autoformatting and the linking of date fragments
These issues have been the subject of an ongoing ArbCom hearing, and a further RFC (after those held in November at MOSNUM) is under way to settle important details. Which ever way you feel, it’s important that the current RFC capture full community opinion. You may wish to participate. Ohconfucius (talk) 13:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
List of French monarchs
We need imput at that article, concerning the listing of Henry VI of England as King of France. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
* Whilst the entry may be disputed, I have at least cleaned up the entry's awful spelling and grammatical errors. Dickie (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Marie Baptiste
Perhaps someone here can be helpful in adding the birth and death dates for this French artist, and perhaps her earliest history? I have the same question and aply for help for the article of Marguerite Morel. It would be interesting to know.--Aciram (talk) 19:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Article request
Perhaps someone could create an article on Hôpital Saint-Louis, also termed the "Hôpital St-Louis in Paris"? kilbad (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Attention needed for Cinema of France
I initially visited the article to get some knowledge of French film, but the article is in mess!! The half of contents is just list of movies. History of film started in France, and French film has taken an important role in world cinema. I feel so odd that articles of French films are underdeveloped compared with the reality. However, due to my limited knowledge and language skill, I seek editors who can expand Cinema of France. Thanks.--Caspian blue 04:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Mon cher Mustapha letter needs context, please
The Mon cher Mustapha letter was apparently an infamous cause célèbre in France in the early 1980's. Our article contains text of the letter, but very little in the way of context to make it comprehensible to contemporary / non-French readers. -- <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Abbreviations
Can anyone give me a full title for "Comp. Aux. de Navigation"? Comp would be Compagnie, wouldn't it? But what about the Aux.? Is it Auxerres, or something else? Mjroots (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* What is the context ? Aux. is often used as an abb. for Auxiliaire. Google doesn't find any thing with "Comp. Aux. de Navigation". Alvar ☮ ☎ 09:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* It was a shipping company based in Paris. Mjroots (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Possibily fr:Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation? Mjroots (talk) 14:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* Looks good. Look for "Compagnie auxiliaire de navigation" in this page. Alvar ☮ ☎ 15:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* Thanks, unfortunately no pictures of Theodora, but it confirms the name. Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* You are welcome. "Théodora" appears 3 times, at the end of the page, with dates, but without pictures. Alvar ☮ ☎ 18:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
* Théodora now has a mention on Wikipedia at Empire Tagathel. An article will eventually be created. Thanks for your help. Mjroots (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
M'aidez!
I've temporarily declined a speedy deletion on an article about a French foundation, for a few days. I'd appreciate any wikignomery anyone wants to offer. See User_talk:Dank55. Je vous remerci d'avance. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 13:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
* Now completed. Ohconfucius (talk) 08:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
* Merci beaucoup. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 17:56, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
2007-09 University strikes
Hi, I've re-written the article on this topic, which was rated a stub, on the basis of the German one (the French is too long and too technical). It still needs some improvement. Could anyone review the classification if necessary ? Thanks.U1K1T1 (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
* Could you wikilink to it please?Zigzig20s (talk) 12:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
* 2007–09 university protests in France, sans doute. (without doubt ?) Alvar ☮ ☎ 18:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
* That's effectively 2007–09 university protests in France, sorry for forgetting to mention it.U1K1T1 (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Diplomatic articles
I happened to stumble upon Consulate General of France in Atlanta while patrolling for the new pages patrol and noticed it was looking a little shabby, so I undertook a substantial copy edit and referencing to bring it up to scratch. Afterwards, while trying to de- orphan it, I went to link it into Embassy of France in Washington, D.C. which, for an article of its importance, I thought would be of far greater quality and a useful reference source to link to, but, frankly, it's even worse than the first one! For a country wikiproject, I would have thought that diplomatic relations articles would be a high priority. I haven't looked at the articles for other countries, though I notice that London is conspicuous by its absence, unless the category is poorly maintained. I'll do some work to the American ones, since that's where I started, having got the former up to a decent standard. Any useful sources other than the official websites would be greatly appreciated, as would a reply or talkback on my own talk page. HJMitchell You rang? 13:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Tour de France and the cycling wikiproject
Hi, I'm a regular member of the cycling WikiProject. I just wrote two articles relating to this year's Tour, and in the course of tagging the talkpages with appropriate banners, I happened to notice that none of the previous articles about the Tour, seemingly none of them at all, have banners from this project on their talkpages. Is there a reason for this? Other cycling race articles usually are tagged with the nation (or sometimes, smaller region) where they take place, and this seems a very odd exception to that rule. Thanks. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 09:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
* The only probable reason is than no one has done it yet ... There's no reason why it shouldn't be done, so go ahead! Chris DHDR 19:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Assessment
Hi all. Can I, myself, evaluate my creations ? Only french rivers, cf. User:Alvaro/rivières et canaux. I want to put insteaf of on most of my new articles. Do you agree ? Thanks in advance. Alvar ☮ ☎ 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
* I do it all the time - but I claim start class, not stub, as the criteria is met, IMO. Cheers Dickie (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
* Merci. Alvar ☮ ☎ 16:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?
Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Arc de Triomphe
The recent |edits to the article are controversial and so need some help from project members more familiar with the topic. thanks in advance. Happy editing, --STTW (talk) 15:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.
The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
GA Sweeps invitation
This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.
We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.
If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
FAR for Samuel Beckett
nominated Samuel Beckett for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 06:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Photograph request - Air France HQ
Hi! Would someone like to photograph the headquarters of Air France, by CDG Airport at 45, rue de Paris 95 747 Roissy CDG Cedex? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
* I think you could get more help on fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro. Alvar ☮ ☎ 12:42, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Jardin d'Éguiles to be deleted, as there is Jardin d'Éguilles
Please delete the first page (Jardin d'Éguiles), with a spelling mistake.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
* Strange, the same user created the 2 articles. Jardin d'Éguilles is the true spelling, see Éguilles. Why not a redirect from Jardin d'Éguiles to Jardin d'Éguilles ? Alvar ☮ ☎ 14:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, I created the page on the village sometime ago. Delete or redirect...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:The Camargue
Since I have been working on a few articles connected to this region, I thought I would create a Category for it. I am not very down with Categorisation here, so I hope I went the right way about it. It's currently in Category:Geographical, historical and cultural regions of France, hopefully that makes sense. Widsith (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
* looks good to me (more geographical than historical or cultural), but... why this « the Camargue » ? category:Camargue is not enough ? Alvar ☮ ☎ 10:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Historical, Constitutional Question
In looking for a cleanup project, I came across Charter of 1815. I decided that part of my cleanup should be to add some references, but to my surprise, I could find no mention whatsover of this ostensible "constitution", or at least, not anything with that name. The article (Charter of 1815) itself does point the reader to this page, which is about "The Act Additional", which appears also to be the subject of the French-wikipeida article Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815. So my question, before I begin my cleanup, is this: Has this article, Charter of 1815, been misnamed? And if so, to what should I move it? Thank you for your help. Un sch ool 03:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
* There's the previous French constitutional change, which was called the Charter of 1814 (on French wiki as fr:Charte de 1814. The full French title Acte additionnel aux constitutions de l'Empire de 1815 redirects to "Charter of 1815" on en:wiki anyway. An English translation of the French is as much a mouthful (i.e. Additional act to the constitution of the Empire (1815)) so I'd vote to just leave it as is. Dickie (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Need a little Help
I try to translate a new page from Wp fr about François Viète. It is more complete and less pro-cartesian than the old one. Problem : i'am french and my english is not good enough... So, if somebody wants to put an eye on this project here : User:Jean_de_Partenay/Viete2/wikipedia, it'd be very kind. (from begining to the gregorian calendar). I hope you will enjoy to work about such a corny thing ! Bye.Jean de Parthenay (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
* The 3 external links on the English version may help you with some English terms, especially, though the layout is awful. If I can contribute meaningfully, I will, though the subject matter is rather unappealing to me. Dickie (talk) 07:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Who was in charge of the Royal Crowns and Jewels??
Trying to do research on origin of my family name "Couronne" which means crown, family believes they made the crowns for the royal families of France, also that there was an Marquess Couronne who might of held the title of crown keeper for a period of time. Please give any input you can in regards to this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
* Or perhaps your family could have come from any of these French places and dropped the 'de' from 'de Couronne' ?
1. F - Saône-et-Loire - Pontoux (71270): Couronne 2. F - Seine-Maritime: Grand-Couronne (76530) 3. F - Charente: La Couronne (16400) 4. F - Seine-Maritime: Petit-Couronne (76650) 5. F - Bouches-du-Rhône: Cap Couronne 6. F - Bouches-du-Rhône - Martigues (13500): La Couronne 7. F - Charente-Maritime - Saint-Médard-d'Aunis (17220): La Couronne 8. F - Eure-et-Loir - Saint-Maurice-Saint-Germain (28240): La Couronne
* Dickie (talk) 05:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
* That could be the case. The "de" (or "de la" or "du") was very typical of the nobility, showing the estate that their familly owned. At the Revolution a lot of famillies dropped the "de" in a desperate attempt to survive: at the time you could be arrested just for being a noble, not even having done anything counter-revolutionary. Chris DHDR 07:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Regions
I noticed that there is a great deal of un-conformity aong the naming of French regions. Certain are translated (Corsica, Picardy), certain are in French (Bretagne, Rhône-Alpes), and certain are disambiguated since no English-equivalent exists (Ile de France, Franche-Comté). I also noticed that concerning other European countries the names are translated, including Germany, Greece, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, and probably more if I looked. So why not here? Chris DHDR 16:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
* It's mostly historic, imo. Places that have existed since early times have mostly got an 'English' version (Lyons, Marseilles, Saxony, Lombardy, Corsica, Genoa etc). Other newer names are translated to English because in the native tongue they are perhaps unknown or unpronounceable (e.g.West-Vlaanderen). But suggesting translating Ile-de-France to 'Island of France', for example, is inelegant, meaningless and unnecessary. Just my two penn'orth. Kind regards Dickie (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
* I don't mean a systematic renaming, just using the English version when one's available, not making new ones. However for Germany "Nordrhein" is translated as "North Rhine", something perfectly logical, so I don't see why we shouldn't here. However "Île-de-France" should not be translated since that is the name of the province in English, after which the region is named. Chris DHDR 09:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
my name is Victor Blot. mi nombre es Victor Blot
Hi. me llamo Victor Blot, naci en argentina y vivo en EEUU y me preguntaba si por esas casualidades tenemos algo de relacion. saco esa conclucion porque mis bice-abuelo nacio en Francia y nunca se hiso ciudadano Argentino. Bueno mi E-MAIL es<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
* Reply made so that this discussion item gets archived --Anneyh (talk) 12:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Alizée GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Alizée for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
GA reassessment of Jean-Claude Mézières
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Jean-Claude Mézières/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
New article needs expansion from French sources
I've created the Bureau d'Enquêtes sur les Accidents de Transport Terrestre article based mainly on a single English-language page on the official website. I'm sure French speakers could improve it from other pages on that site and French-language references elsewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 00:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Short translation request
Would anyone be willing to translate this news story into English? It's only a paragraph. Thanks.Prezbo (talk) 01:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
* Cut and paste it into Google translate and tidy it up yourself - easy. Dickie (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
* I'm asking here because I want to be sure of the meaning and the machine-translated version is not that comprehensible.Prezbo (talk) 23:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
* Not a translation... but as I saw the Englis version Bogdanov_Affair does not include the end of the legal side... The Bogdanov brothers were presenting a popular scientific show in the 1980s, in October 2004, Ciel et Espace published an article that was questioning their scientific approach. They sued the newspaper in december 2004, but as they did not respect the delays from French newspapers law they had to pay back a fee of 2'500 euros.
* Actually another web source (http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article631) claims that they did not come to the tribunal to defend their cause and this one (http://www.liberation.fr/medias/010163388-ciel-et-espace-1-freres-bogdanov-0) that they did not respect some delays and gave up.
* I checked the archives from Le Monde and it sounds reasonable to rather only write that they gave up in en December 2005 and that the case was closed on September 4th 2006. --Anneyh (talk) 19:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC), Article paru dans l'édition du 20.10.06 (Le Monde, dated 2006-10-20)
End of the Action against Ciel et Espace (Sky and Space) NOUVELOBS.COM | 25.06.2008 | 00:59
The proceedings undertaken by the brothers Bogdanov, television science programme presenters, for defamation has been declared prescribed. It is the end of the action of the brothers Bogdanov against the magazine Ciel et Espace. The justice system has put an end to the litigation opposing the two brothers and the scientific magazine, the proceedings undertaken by the former for defamation having been prescribed, we learned on Friday 13th October from TGI of Paris, confirming information from the Figaro (newspaper). The two brothers, television presenters on science subjects, had engaged in defamation proceedings following an investigation into them, published in October 2004, which called into question the scientific validity of their (learned) papers. But the 17th Chamber of the Tribunal of Grand Instance (TGI) of Paris judged the said action prescribed, the brothers Bogdanov not having respected the time limit provided by the press law. The tribunal did not therefore; pronounce on the matter in question. In its decision handed down on the 14th September, it simply ordered the two brothers to accept charge of the legal costs of the opposing party, at a level of €2,500. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 18:50, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Citations of laws
I sometimes stumble upon articles that mention laws, statutes, regulations, decrees etc. vaguely. It can occur even in articles not a priori related to Law; e.g. in the Viaduc de Millau article, there is a sketch of the approval and procurement process. Sometimes, words are improperly used (e.g. in the context of French government, the word "decree" has a precise, specific meaning), or decisions are attributed to the wrong authority.
All too often, those references are vague. French legal texts have precise identifiers. If it is a statute, decree or major ministerial decision, then it has been published in the Journal Officiel de la République Française, and it has a date of signing and a number (yy-nnnn where yy is the year and nnn is an order number). If it is an article of a code of law, then the article should be referenced. In both cases, unless the law is old, one can make a reference to Légifrance. David.Monniaux (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject TRANSWIKI
You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the French language transwiki project. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from French wikipedia and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge. We need your help, so if there are any French speakers here please join up as your language skills are crucial. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
FAR of MSF
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Main page
I've updated Featured pictures and sounds to some extent. There's probably more I missed, I fear. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 187 FCs served 21:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Grand dictionnaire universel du XIXe siècle
If somebody out there knows where can I find and what is the expected cost for the original & in good shape series: Grand dictionnaire universel du XIXe siècle, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Augusto Carreras<EMAIL_ADDRESS>—Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
* You can probably use Google books --Anneyh (talk) 12:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Template Canton
I have remade Infobox Canton de France and merged French canton into it. Any feedback with the new one? Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 22:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
* Seems good, I like it. Chris DHDR 18:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
* Can you make it Infobox French canton in keeping with Infobox French commune? French arrondissement and Infobox Department of France should also probably be fixed to Infobox French arrondissement and Infobox French department. Kiwipete (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, all of them should have standarized names. Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 23:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
* It looks great to me. Excellent work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
All templates have now standardized names. But since there is a lot of effort with the standardization of geographical templates into infobox settlement I have remade template:Infobox French canton again to mach the standardized one. What do you think of the new one? I will try to convert Infobox French commune and Infobox French arrondissement too. Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 15:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Vérification traduction
Salut ChrisDHDR. Comme ta langue maternelle est l'anglais, peux-tu vérifier la traduction de l'article Téléphérique de Grenoble Bastille, car il doit y avoir des erreurs. Je ne suis pas assez bon en anglais. merci
Grenix (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, je le ferai dans quelques jours maximum. Chris DHDR 11:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
* Ca y est! It's more or less done. Feel free go over it. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Interesting question
On Talk:Departments_of_France. Advises welcome. Thanks in advance. Alvar ☮ ☎ 14:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
* Solved. Thanks ChrisDHDR Alvar ☮ ☎ 14:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
maire
Is there a maire in every commune in France? —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
* AFAIK, except for the six preserved (and deserted) French villages destroyed in the First World War, which still count as communes even though they have no population, all communes have a mayor (maire), based (either full- or part-time) in the mairie (or hotel de ville). Dickie (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
* +1 though things are more complicated with Paris, Lyon and Marseille (one maire for the whole commune + several maires), see fr:Loi PLM and/or Arrondissement. Alvar ☮ ☎ 15:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
* These additional maires are called "Maire d'Arrondissement", so there is a maire in every populated commune. BTW I was hesitating using commune in other article, do we need to keep commune in all articles related to France or should we use Municipality?
* Not sure I 100% understand your question. In french fr:wikt:municipalité « (Par métonymie) Commune. » is used as fr:wikt:commune « Division du territoire français administrée par un maire et un conseil municipal. » by metonymy. Not sure you can 100% understand my answer ;D
* Briefly: I don't know. From France, what I can say: the 2 terms are roughly used with the same signification, though, perhaps (IMHO), commune is more geographical and municipalité more a question of governance. If we focus on the metonymy stuff, we should use commune raher than municipality; but... context-dependent?
* Alvar ☮ 's saloon. 14:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
* As a French native speaker, commune did not look very English to me, but I now checked en:wikt:commune and it sounds pretty OK. In French fr:wikt:municipalité is primarily used for the elected body of a commune (town council). --Anneyh (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Potato - raiding cookbooks for references
Hi all - the Culinary_uses cold do with a stack of references, and some embellishment, from reliable sources, so I'd appreciated it if folks raided their french cookbooks for references - I am seeing whether we can get potato to GA...all help much appreciated :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Robert I of France
You noted at the end of the article that Robert the I may have had other daughters. Just wanted to make you aware of at least one other, who I am descended from. Hildebrante, Princess of France. Born about 0897 of Vermandois, Neustria. Died after 0931. Married Herbert II Count of Vermandois. They had at least 1 daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 16:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
* So not the Hildebranda/Hildebrante already mentioned in the article then? '...and Hildebranda (895–931) to Herbert II of Vermandois.' Dickie (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Huntsmen Article
I would like to know why is the Huntsmen article part of the WikiPorject:France. It was suposed do be in the Armed Forces WikiPorject, since there are other countries that use or, ate least, used Huntsmen (caçadores, cazadores, jagers or chasseurs)in their army. --Prtgl93 (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Prtgl93
* You refer to the Talk:Huntsmen (military) article. As far as I know the fact that an article belongs to more than one project is not a problem.
Dates problem in Brissot article
Article on Brissot states: Bibliothèque philosophique du législateur (1782), dealt with philosophy of law topics, and showed the deep influence of ethical precepts theoretised by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The first work was dedicated to Voltaire, and was received by the latter with much interest.
If it really was published in 1782 it couldn't have been received with interest by Voltaire, who had already been dead 4 years!!
* As the book is available in google.books.com, I could check the preface of the book and amended the article. As several web article have copied the wrong statement, I make my best to stay neutral. --Anneyh (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Societe Generale
I am confused about where the headquarters are. Some sources said that they moved to the Tours Société Générale, but the website continues to list the Paris address as its main office. Where are the executive offices of Societe Generale? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
* http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aY1GmyC9KlL4&refer=home says that the bank is headquartered out of La Defense, but the website of Societe Generale lists Paris as the head office WhisperToMe (talk) 06:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
* http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/cpf/2006/2006-02911401.PDF says on page 29/55 that the paying agent is based out of Paris while the calculation agent is based out of La Defense. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
* The official "siege social" address is one of the legal mention in French webiste:
* http://www.sg-securities.fr/SGSS/EN/mentionslegales
* Registered Office : 29 boulevard Haussmann 75009 Paris (Siège Social)
* Headquarter doesn't look like legally binding. It's probably correct that Societe Generale traders HQ is in La Defense. It is difficult (and expensive) to expand in Paris for companies, and there may be some tax reasons to keep the registered office in Paris. --Anneyh (talk) 13:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Middle Francia merge proposal
A discussion is occurring at Talk:Middle Francia, where it has been proposed that Middle Francia be merged into Lotharingia. -Rrius (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
appel à l'aide
Hi guys, I'm hitting some dead ends on 2009 Francophone Games, this cannot be a "single author" article and i cannot catch up with all the press releases and articles alone, please help me :( Eli + 13:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Francophonie?
Does anyone think there should be a WP:WikiProject Francophonie? It would be like WP:WikiProject Commonwealth that handles the British Commonwealth.
See Talk:Organisation_internationale_de_la_Francophonie_(OlF) for the discussion.
<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 07:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
12,408 unassessed articles? Xenobot Mk V can help!
If this is something you want to take advantage of, please let me know below or by clicking here. –xenotalk 20:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Musée des tramways à vapeur et des chemins de fer secondaires français
Article needs some phrases translated from French to English. Mjroots (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
* I've done a few native English changes and moved some stuff around, but that's all Dickie (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Popular pages
I have requested a list of popular pages for this project at. --Ysangkok (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Merge proposal for Isère communes
Help discuss and work the proposal at Category talk:Communes of Isère.--Ipatrol (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Bal-musette
The Bal-musette page says: Bal-musette is a style of French music and dance that first became popular in Paris in the 1880s."
However, surfing the net, not a few sites say that "musette" is the music and "bal-musette" is the name of the dance halls where that music was played. Indeed, the French word "bal" translates into the English word "ball." Goingtoala (talk) 02:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
* You're right, musette is originally an instrument, then in the 17th and 18th century a music style, bal musette (no dash in French) is the place where in most of the case accordion was played... the following reference sounds quite OK to me I agree with the decline from 1960s, but I'm not sure about the revival of bal musette in France... --Anneyh (talk) 14:03, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Template:WikiProject French communes
It appears that this banner is now deprecated in favour of. There was some discussion last year (here) about replacing the banners, but although there seems to have been support for this nothing appears to have been done. If there are no objections, I can see about having a bot take care of this. PC78 (talk) 02:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject France to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject France/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 01:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Paysans?
Is 'paysans' the most common term for rural people? Is there a more commonly used one with less of the negative connotations of 'peasant'? Anarchangel (talk) 01:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
* fermier? agriculteur? cultivateur? Plouc was a slang term I remember - don't know if it's still used though. Paysan is not as derogatory in French as 'peasant' is in English. 'Campagnard' is more pejorative, imo. Dickie (talk) 07:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
* Agriculteur is, at present, the most used and the most politically correct. Paysan is not so negative, however, see fr:Confédération paysanne a red link on en: ! with 5 interwikis. Unusual ;D Alvar ☮ ☎ 10:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
* Yet, all paysans are not agriculteurs, and there is nothing derogatory in the word paysan, no more than in campagnard. As for "political correctness", it is an outlawing force that precipitates the shrinking of languages. Frania W. (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Giron
Can anyone here consult a gazette of place names in France, and confirm that there is only one place named Giron? Thank you. --Una Smith (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Dreyfus affair
Hi, I was wondering if any of the editors would be interested in improving the article about the Dreyfus affair on the English wikipedia. Unlike the featured French version, the English article has a lot of major problems, including reorganisation and missing sections, and would benefit from having a French speaking editor involved in translating and adding content. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Category:Members of Le Splendid
Hi
It would be very useful to have input from members of this project in the deletion discussion on Category:Members of Le Splendid, at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 January 2. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
COMMONNAME in Catalan or French for communes in Pyrénées-Orientales?
Hello, someone who is familiar with how WP:COMMONNAME translates into the names of communes in France may wish to take a look at the recent edits of (a newly registered user who seems to take an interest in Catalonia-related articles, both on the French and Spanish side of the border) who has moved several articles on communes in Pyrénées-Orientales from their French to the Catalan name, or to "Catalan name (French name)". I'm in general very skeptical if a Catalan name fulfills the WP:COMMONNAME requirement for English Wikipedia when applied to a commune in France, and the dual names look absolutely horrible as article names. But I'm not sure since I stumbled on the user's edits from another angle (wine-related edits), so I'm just announce it here hoping that someone more knowledgeable will look into it. Tomas e (talk) 13:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
* The Pyrénées-Orientales being a department of France, the name of its communes should be in French.
* If we are to follow 's logic, we should rename the article on Bordeaux by its Gascon name of Bordèu, and the cities of Bretagne in Breton:
* Sant-Brieg instead of Saint-Brieuc,
* Sant-Juluan-Pentevr, for Saint-Julien
* Tregaeg for Trégueux,
* Tremelar for Tréméloir
* Tremuzon for Trémuson
* Enez Sun for Île de Sein, etc.
* and why not rename Paris Lutetia while we're at it?
* In many of the French provinces, the road signs are bilingual but, for the rest of France, only the name in French is used (postal addresses, for instance). Frania W. (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
* P.S. The Pyrénées-Orientales articles that have been moved to their name in Catalan name (French name) do exist in catalan:wiki, so where is 's problem? Frania W. (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Template:Infobox French region
I think there should be 'leadername2', 'leader2' and 'party2' options for this template. That way those regions which are also departments can get both the President of the Conseil General and President of the Conseil Regional put in. Munci (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
WP 1.0 bot announcement
This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Naming debate
I have started a general naming debate on the naming conventions of Basque provinces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basque and would like to invite all interested parties to take part in the debate. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Cleanup list at WikiProject France/Cleanup listing
FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at a Request for comment (RfC) Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on French subjects (like Michel Dalberto and Areski Belkacem, deleted for that reason; Bernard Miège, proposed for deletion, now referenced; Delmar Calvert and Pascal Clément and have recently been deleted for other infringements in the same go). The cleanup link in the title above points to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject France template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list, We need a lot of hands for this task. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
* 1) review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP concerns
* 2) add references (you may e.g. lift references from the French page, if that page exists)
* 3) remove the template from the article.
* Pierre Moscovici was proposed for deletion, but that seems over the top. If some one can reference, that'd be great. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Photo request (Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery)
A bit of a long shot, but does anyone here live close enough to Fromelles to take a photo of the new cemetery there? See Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Military Cemetery. Possibly even a photo during one of the military funerals taking place this month for the World War I dead being reburied there? There is a viewing area from which the public can watch. If anyone can or may go, could you let me know, as there are a few other things that could be photographed in the area as well. Carcharoth (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Romanticism and Revolution at AfD
Please offer opinions at Articles for deletion/Romanticism and Revolution. -- Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi 15:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
GA reassessment of Homework (album)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Homework (album)/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
CEOs of Électricité de France
Could someone please streamline the infobox for the list of EDF CEOs that I created and added to the existent pages? Please see Henri Proglio's page. Also, is anyone else interested in creating pages for other CEOs of this company? Ideally, I think we should do the same for all CEOs of CAC-40 companies at least, and as EDF is state-owned and reliant on taxpayers's money, I think it has more of a claim to it.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Pierre Laval
This article has stagnated for a long-time. I recently reorganized it pretty radically, but it's still in need of a considerable amount of work. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me bring it up to good article status? TallNapoleon (talk) 10:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Maps in Infobox French communes
Hi, I've modified the Infobox French commune so that it displays a collapsable regional map when available (they are already for Alsace, Basse-Normandie, Bretagne, Corse and Poitou-Charentes). This will only work if the coordinates (latitude and longitude) are specified in the infobox. There are many communes for which a different location map is used (4236 articles as of now), for example Trédion, which doesn't use coordinates. Hence the regional map doesn't work. In for example the article Bignan coordinates are available, and the regional map works.
Coordinates are available for all communes at French wikipedia. All we have to do is copy the fields "longitude" and "latitude" from the corresponding French article, and remove the fields "image map", "x", "y" and "lat long", see this diff for Bignan. It's an easy task, but a big one, and I could do with some help. Does anyone know whether a bot can do this? These are the relevant articles:. As far as I know, the articles are all about communes in the departments Ille-et-Vilaine, Morbihan, Côtes-d'Armor, Finistère, Seine-et-Marne, Essonne, Haute-Saône, Doubs, Jura, Territoire de Belfort, Somme. The four Breton departments would have my first priority, since that regional map is already avaliable. We can monitor progress at WikiProject French communes/Status. Markussep Talk 13:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Cleanup listing
Both articles: Geoffroi de Charny (French Knight) and Geoffroi de Charney (Templar) are both on this list dating back to October 2008 for inaccuracies. Both of these articles have been substantially changed, cited and cleaned-up. Would someone here take a look or refer me to whom I should be making this request? Thankyou. Mugginsx (talk) 20:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Military history of France FAR initiated
I have nominated Military history of France for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Johnbod (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
France's article
Hi everyone, I'd read the article about France and I saw something that is not really true. I can't change it by myself so I tell you what is wrong and hope that someone would change it ! In the military's paragraph, the article says that the « Gendarmerie Nationale » is a part of the army. Actually it was true but since 2009 the Gendarmerie goes into the « Ministère de l'Intérieur » who's in charge of the police, so technically, they're not a part of the army now (because they're not in charge of the secretary of defense as before 2009). If anyone can changes it :)
(And sorry for my english which is worst than bad ^^')
Shensko (talk) 22:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Need a brief translation
Can anyone translate the following for me (sorry if this is the wrong place to ask): Cette forme rhomboidale est un peu moins accusée dans le Z. desidiosus, espèce de transition pour laquelle Peckhams ont proposé un genre Messua, qui ne doit pas etre maintenu. Ces auteurs ont bien voulu me communiquer le type du Messua desidoisa; it differe beaucoup moins Zygoballus typiques, que ne semble l'indiquer leur description. To provide context, this is an argument that was presented in 1897 for synonymizing the genus Messua with the genus Zygoballus. I was able to get a rough idea from Google Translate, but much of it was mangled. Kaldari (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
* How about:
This diamond form is a little less promounced in Z. desidiosis, the intermediate species that Peckham & Peckham proposed placing in the genus Messua, which is not to be kept. These authors were kind enough to send me the Messua desidiosa specimen; it is much less divergent from typical Zygoballus than their description would indicate.
* Mcewan (talk) 08:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
* Thank you! Kaldari (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
* I've added the info here. Kaldari (talk) 16:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Louis Philippe
Salut! Can anyone help out with deciding the correct title for Louis-Philippe I, King of the French (see the move request on that article's talk page)? Should there be a hyphen? Should there be a numeral "I"? Should it be "of France" or "King of the French" (or something else)? Please comment on that page.--Kotniski (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The hyphen is absolutely correct in French names. See the corresponding page in French Wikipedia - one assumes they have some insight there. The title of the page is Louis-Philippe Ier (Louis-Philippe I) and he is described as Roi des Français (King of the French}. Emeraude (talk) 12:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
* Thanks. Does anyone have any source for the "I" - was it used of the man in his lifetime, or was it added later by way of recognition of the unrealized claim of Louis-Philippe II?--Kotniski (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
* The *I* was NOT used in Louis-Philippe's lifetime. As for the hyphen, I noticed that Louis-Philippe signed without it, but in the case on which we are arguing, it is of lesser importance than the wrong & misleading title English Wikipedia wants to give him, which, in order to be correct, should be:
* Louis-Philippe, King of the French
* and NOT:
* Louis-Philippe of France, as by the "Ordonnance of 13 August 1830" he himself said that he should be known as "Louis Philippe, Roi des Français";
* Louis-Philippe of the French, as "of the French" qualified "King", not "Louis-Philippe".
* Here are the opening words of the 13 August 1830 Ordonnance:
* Ordonnance du 13 août 1830:
* Ordonnance du roi qui détermine les noms et titres des princes et princesses de la famille royale.
* LOUIS PHILIPPE ROI DES FRANÇAIS, à tous présens et à venir, salut.
* --Frania W. (talk) 14:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip 00:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
A slight improvement
I think the article on Jean Marais could be improved by adding the following:
One of his sculptures, Passe Muraille (The Man Who Could Walk Through Walls), is in an outdoor courtyard in the Montmartre section of Paris.
Many pictures of it can be found by Googling Images for "Passe Muraille Jean Marais". Since I'm not that proficient in adding images, I thought I'd leave it to someone else to make the actual change.
Alweiss (talk) 18:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
FAR
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Commune
Could someone explain why the top of the infobox of French towns has "Commune of XXX" instead of only the name of the town. --Frania W. (talk) 00:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
* Commune of Angoulême instead of Angoulême?
* Not really, it's been there for a long time. I'm not particularly attached to the "commune" part, if more people think it shouldn't be there I can remove it. Markussep Talk 22:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
* I've removed the "commune of" part. Markussep Talk 13:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Francophone Literature: Multimedia
I am working on course development at the Kigali Institute of Education to design a contemporary French literature course that explores the newest literature and writing that uses multimedia and texts that exploit online features. Can anyone direct me to some websites and/or authors who are writing for online audiences? I am looking for such literature as well as citations. Thanks so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 08:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
bored?
Cast an eye over Charles Combes a French Engineer... hoping to make up to C class for DYK in next few days. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
User:Soleil levant/Chantilly Forest
Hi. I've started a translation from French Wikipedia, but am unaware of any current editting policy and style guide for translation on Wikipedia. Where's the best links to help out a newbie like me get a decent translation out into the world --Soleil levant (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
* After you've translated it, then copypasting the code into the new article would probably be the best idea. Then use a template from here: Category:Interwiki translation templates. Otherwise, just make it look like any other article on the Wikipedia, preferably making sure to include references. Munci (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
* How do I go about including references? Can I just steal the ones du Wikipédia? --Soleil levant (talk) 12:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
* I apologise for the delay. I had not noticed your reply til now. You can use exactly the same references as already in the French article. However, you would need to use a different template. For example, using template:citejournal which does not have quite the same fields as fr:Modèle:Article (you'd need to change the fields from titre to title for example). Also, it's preferable to have refs in the same language as the wikipedia. It's fine if this can't be done for a particular statement though. Munci (talk) 19:58, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons
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Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Bonjour J'ai commencé la traduction de certains passages de la page du Molay Littry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Molay-Littry vers la page correspondante Française http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Molay-Littry. Je ne prends qu'une partie car la page Française et plus riche et documentée. N'hésitez pas si problème il y a. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemorrison (talk • contribs) 10:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Orly Airport Building 163
Hi! I'm trying to find the commune where Orly Airport Building 163 "Batiment 363 Orly Sud 114, F-Orly Aerogare CEDEX, France" is located in. I understand that Orly Airport is within several communes, so I don't know exactly which commune this building is located in. The building once had the head offices of AOM French Airlines and (after a merger) Airlib WhisperToMe (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
* http://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/association/index.php?ctx=eJxtyj0OgzAMBlAfBeUCsYpYulJ16sgeWemHiOTikB*OXw7A!vSC0loonDtJrRYpHBStZCvS4FsBnm6x7Gf7Ytnwg2cemdkNw137JPQXosrlyXafRSVVSHd33VHYUnt3VXpM9Ae4ZC7i&page=15&JTH_ID=003000&JAN_LIEU_DECL=palaiseau says "Siège social : compagnie Air Lib, bâtiment 363, zone centrale à l’aéroport d’Orly, 91550 Paray-Vieille-Poste." so it may be in that commune. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Translator needed for Wallen (musician)
There appear to be plenty of sources available to support content for the musician Wallen, see Talk:Wallen, however they are all in French. If someone would be able to pull information from the sources into the article that would be great. Active Banana (talk) 17:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Chopin's nationality and citizenship
...are currently under discussion at Talk:Chopin. Any light (as opposed to heat) that can be shed would be welcome.--Kotniski (talk) 14:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
* Now also discussed at WT:WikiProject Poland.--Kotniski (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Article Francois de La Rochefoucauld - image editing
Hi,
I am very new to wikipedia and generally edit by picking a random article and taking it from there. The article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_de_La_Rochefoucauld_(cardinal)
Has the image inserted within a line and I am unaware of how to fix this. As the article was listed as part of WikiProject France perhaps someone could have a look a do a quick fix?
All the best
Craven99 (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
St. John Eudes, The Congregation of Jesus and Mary - Sisters of Our Lady of Charity of the Refuge
Is there any reason that St. John Eudes and the Congregation of Jesus and Mary (The Eudists) and the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity are not listed under "Religious communities founded in the French school tradition" in the main article? Ljpgoodwin (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Relevant AFD discussion
Please see Articles for deletion/Kaja Bordevich Ballo. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 00:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
User:Captain scarlet/France motorway routebox
FYI, a few articles are using a cross-namespace nonstandard infobox... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Captain_scarlet/France_motorway_routebox
I don't think it's a good idea to use a template from userspace in article content.
<IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 09:13, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Language of WP
Hi. What sort of language is best used on WP? I mean, do we aim to write in a literary, or colloquial way? Or an encyclopediac way? Assuming the latter...how does one write in such a way? --Soleil levant (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
* As you guessed, the answer is encyclopedic. The best way to figure out how to do that is to read several articles. The best place to start would be featured articles, such as the ones listed here (actually their talk pages are listed, but I'm sure you know what I mean). -Rrius (talk) 22:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Ancestory in France
Hi. Newcomer to Wikipedia. My ancestory started in the southern part of France close to the Spanish border. A place called "CASOBON" in the 1500's. Would anyone know how I can find any history for this place, probably renamed but don't know present name--Dragons Jewel (talk) 03:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Monique..June 5, 2010. Thank you for taking time to help in anyway.
* Under that spelling, all I could find was a restaurant in a Paris suburb. However, with the homophonetic spelling "Casaubon", there are several small place-names (lieu-dit) or hamlets within other communes near the Franco-Spanish border. There's also a commune (village) called Cazaubon (again the identical sounding name as Casobon) in the same region. Good luck tracing that part of your ancestry. Dickie (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Ismael Urbain for DYK
I'm trying to get this article, which I translated from the French Wikipedia, a spot on DYK. IT came with no references. I have managed to find one using Google Books. Could any of you assist in finding some more sources to reference this article? __meco (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
* Out of this Scholar search, two references available online could already give more references :
* But I'm afraid that you may have to buy or borrow the books. --Anneyh (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
* But I'm afraid that you may have to buy or borrow the books. --Anneyh (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
* But I'm afraid that you may have to buy or borrow the books. --Anneyh (talk) 17:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Aurore Giscard d'Estaing
Aurore Giscard d'Estaing has been at AfD for a couple of days, any comment will be appreciated. Thank you Comte0 (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
* AfD closed on 03:01, 13 June 2010 --Anneyh (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
2010 Var floods
The 2010 Var floods article is currently on the main page as part of ITN. There will be many sources in French, which members of this WP may be able to assist with. Currently, there doesn't appear to be a fr.wiki article, so maybe someone could start one over there too? Mjroots (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
* I have set a message on the local village pump. --Anneyh (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
* Merci beaucoup! Mjroots (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
* I was not too kean on writing the article, but already 3 wpfr users contributed to the article. --Anneyh (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Translation from French with priority to FA class on French wikipedia
Hi, I am interested in translating articles from French into English, and would prefer to work from articles which are high quality originals, e.g. Haussmann's Renovations of Paris. I am aware of, but is there anyway to re-order these articles by the quality of their french equivalents?
I think there's little point in translating poor quality material as it means there could be inaccurate information on English Wikipedia for a long time. IF anyone knows of such a list I would be grateful if you let me know on my talk page, either some suggested articles or such a list, if it exists. Thanks, --Ktlynch (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
* There are now 700 Feature articles in wp:fr. You can find them there: fr:Catégorie:Article_de_qualité. Some probably come from the translation of English articles like fr:Accident sur la base de Fairchild en 1994. Actually it's probably a better idea to use the list fr:Wikipédia:Articles de qualité/Justification de leur promotion. In March-April, there was an article competition on wp:fr and a lot of most recent FA articles come from that and most of them are not translations! --Anneyh (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Reference desk question
Perhaps there is someone on here who has access to the book or can help me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Help_in_locating_French_book
--Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
* I answered there, don't hesitate to come back here if you need help with reading French. --Anneyh (talk) 08:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
La Folie des grandeurs
The film La Folie des grandeurs needs an English article at some point. I may start it soon, but I am busy at the moment... WhisperToMe (talk) 05:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
* I just created the article, but it could by helped by expansion, if y'all want to add to it. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
* I'm not sure how many times I saw the French version, but the article itself is low in my priority list. Nevertheless I added some information and an English source, so I have the article in my watch list and can answer questions... The French Wikipédia article is not outstanding (almost no sources), I assume most contributors of my generation are in the same mood as myself ! --Anneyh (talk) 08:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Copy edit request
I recently requested a peer review for an article I started, Ghost stations of the Paris Métro. The article was tagged as being within the scope of this WikiProject. One of the suggestions from the peer review was to have the article's prose reviewed and a copy edit made by another editor. If anyone here would be willing to pitch in and assist with a copy edit (or any of the other peer review suggestions) I would really appreciate it. I hope that eventually the article can be taken to good article status. Thanks! --Aka042 (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
* Well, I had a look, carried out some of the peer review suggestions, but the inline citation are all but one referring to wiki or similar page (I'll assess the quality on wp:fr). Without access to the French books, it is not possible to get this article anywhere. --Anneyh (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Madeline Rating
I have recently completed an major expansion and revamp of the article Madeline, since Madeline is based in France in every incarnation of Madeline, whether it be books, television series and films. I noticed the article had not received a rating on either the quality or importance scale and beleive it should recieve one. Thanks In Advance Matt-tastic (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
* I need to find somebody from the rigth generation. I discovered the serie thanks to your article. --Anneyh (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Request for input at the language reference desk ("des plus")
If anyone, native or non-native speaker of French, could help resolve this question, readers would be enlightened. Many thanks in advance. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
* By the time I found the message, it was answered already. --Anneyh (talk) 15:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
* Thanks anyway! ---Sluzzelin talk 23:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Franta
Does anyone know why the link Franta redirect to France? It was also the name of a steamship, hence the need for a hatnote. Would it be desirable to convert the link into a dab page? See talk:France for more details. Mjroots (talk) 19:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Granville Raid
Hi all, pertaining to the Granville Raid article, in reference to the PC 564 of which my father, Lt Percy Sandel, was in command at the time, there were several errors in the account of the ship's grounding and crew. I have the handwritten accounts of many of the crew of the PC 564 and also my father was awarded the Bronze Star for his heroic actions that terrible night. I will review all my information and follow up with corrections soon. Semper Fi, John A. Sandel —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 05:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Pronounciation of Rueil
This is about the article on Rueil-Malmaison, a commune located just west of Paris. The article says that Rueil is pronounced either [ʁɥœj] or [ʁɥɛj]. [ʁɥœj] is listed first, and therefore supposed to be the most common pronounciation. However, a Parisian friend of mine says that the only pronounciation is [ʁɥɛj]. He, who was born in Paris and has spent all his life there, is positive that the pronounciation [ʁɥœj] does not exist, and says that whoever heard it "must have been deaf or drunk". Could somebody check and find which is the truth of this matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 22:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
* Here; at 00:00 it begins with "Rueil va bientôt connaître une petite révolution..." it's the current standard parisian prononciation.
* Have also a look on Rueil-Malmaison
* But, but, but... have a look on fr:Discussion:Rueil-Malmaison
* The 2 prononciations exist because in some proper nouns (like Rueil, Bueil...), the "u" is mute, so Rueil should be "rœj", but in Rueil-Malmaison, the "u" is not so mute ;D
* Alvar ☮ 05:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
SYSTRA
Hej guys it seems that you have been involved in making the french page on wikipedia for the french company SYSTRA. Do you provide support to prepare also wiki pages for SYSTRA outside WIKIfrance. i have prepared a page on WIKI denmark but have some problems - and need help to sort it out. both layout and pages - and more. The page exists but bit and pit need a little help.
* User talk:SYSTRADK 14:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk)
Centre pénitentiaire de Rennes
As a heads up, fr:Centre pénitentiaire de Rennes should be getting an English article soon. I may write one later this week, but if anyone wants to try writing an English article now, he or she is welcome to do so. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
French journal translation
Sorry bothering you, but I need help with a French sentence form Comptes rendus hebdomadaires des séances de l'Académie des Sciences 1836 . Most of the journals and books state thet mineral Coccinite was discovered in Mexico by del Rio in 1929 in Minerals from the mexican place Casa Viejas. But the communication in the Compt. Rendus reads like this:deposes a l'ecole des mines de mexico par M. Jose Casa Viejas de l'etat de Queretaro and this is form me more like: Jose Casa Viejas from the Queretaro Provinc has brought the sample to the school of mines. Thanks for the help --Stone (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* I agree with you. « Del Rio just discovers […] in séléniure de mercure samples brought to the école des mines de Mexico by M. Jose Casa Viejas, from the Queretaro state. » But… perhaps (5%) it can be read as the samples come from the Queretaro state, though I think (95%) that M. Jose Casa Viejas comes from the Queretaro state. Alvar ☮ 15:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm… I think that Casa_ Vieja s is incorrect; correct spanish forms: Casa s Vieja s or Casa_ Vieja_; in spanish, the adjective takes the s from the plural. I hope I've been understable ;D Alvar ☮ 15:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
* Thanks for the help! It is very sad that the original message was published in the Mexican journal of the mining school dating to 1827 to 1829. This will need some real work to get the original publication. I have a German publication citing a letter from del Rio and this clearly states that the ore was from Casa Vieja. I hope i can get it right someday.--Stone (talk) 16:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
WikiProject Giraudoux
I would like to get a bunch of people who are interested in creating quality articles on the plays of Jean Giraudoux and related subjects. (See the page "Category:Plays by Jean Giraudoux" for some of the articles which would be included.) I have been working on the play Ondine and have also started the article on Giraudoux's main translator Maurice Valency. I have also done miscellaneous cleanups—mostly trying to get the basic pattern for each play in some kind of consistent form. Sadly, most of the articles are still stubs.
Giraudoux is probably not a big enough subject to be a project (however, there is a WikiProject Balzac!) Anyone for a collaberation? I have a lots more information and ideas. Feel free to contact me on my talk page.
By the way, I do not speak any French. Thank god for Google translate at |en| French to English. Il est étonnant, n'est-ce pas?--Foobarnix (talk) 09:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
* I'm not particularly fond of Giraudoux, but you can contact me on French-English translations (I'm French). His biography is incomplete here, but I would need some reading because his role during WWII is rather complex.
* By the way, you may know that, "Étonnant, non?" evokes Pierre Desproges who use to finish his 1982-84 TV shows by this sentence. --Anneyh (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
* By the way, you may know that, "Étonnant, non?" evokes Pierre Desproges who use to finish his 1982-84 TV shows by this sentence. --Anneyh (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
* For references on Giraudoux, see the books listed at Ondine article: Further reading. If you were willing to translate or otherwise create biographical information on G, I would be delighted to incorperate it. Not like Giraudoux!!?? Do you like Albee? Arthur Miller? T. S. Elliot? Jean Anouilh? Thanks for responding.--Foobarnix (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
France articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Portal:France is in danger of losing its featured status
It's not been updated since December 2008, and the featured portal criteria state that portals that are not updated for three months are summarily demoted. So it would appear that the portal is on borrowed time to retain its star... I've left a note at Portal talk:France explaining the situation in more detail. BencherliteTalk 13:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Légion d'honneur
FYI, Légion d'honneur has been requested to be renamed. <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 19:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Please note: the nominator intends this to be "the tip of the iceberg" regarding French article names. Please consider this issue while it is still active. Talk:Légion d'honneur. SteveStrummer (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Rossini, Le siege de Corinth
The link for recordings of Rossini's Siege de Corinth is incorrect. It should be http://www.operadis-opera-discography.org.uk/CLROSIEG.HTM. The present link leads to recordings of Rossini's Viaggio al Reims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by <IP_ADDRESS> (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Use of the Marianne symbol during the French Revolution
To address the evolution, and the need for evolution, of the Marianne figure. The current entry addresses how Marianne was portrayed in the various Republics; we would like to add some discussion of the significance of this symbol's progression. FR Fall 2010 (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
List of French NBA players
In case you didn't notice, the List of French National Basketball Association players has been turned into a redirect by User:Chrishmt0423 pointing to the more general List of foreign NBA players (the same thing happened with the List of Croatian NBA players and several others). I've reverted the change as I feel that a lot of valuable information was lost in the process (the general list doesn't offer match statistics and drops 7 French players who were drafted but never appeared in an actual game), and I don't see why the two list couldn't co-exist (Chrishmt0423 reasoned "separate list not needed; it actually makes updating more difficult" in his edit summary). Furthermore, the move was never discussed in the article's talk page. In the meantime list was taken to AfD. You're invited to voice your opinion there. <span style='font-family: Georgia, serif; color:#639;'> Timbouctou 19:34, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Luynes, Indre-et-Loire
Luynes, Indre-et-Loire could use some cleanup. howcheng {chat} 20:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* ✅ Comte0 (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Arrondissements
Hi. I was wondering if you could help cleanup up these. They were transwikied from French wikipedia but need translation. I think most of the tables are standard so you could probably use AWb for those if you can and remove any French if you haven't the time to translate it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:48, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* Sorry, but these articles are not translated at all and furthermore these are stubs on wp:fr. For example the language is not even encyclopedic: "Le quartier de la Capelette est très peu desservi par les transports en commun à l'heure actuelle,mais compte tenu du devenir de ce quartier, il faut espérer que cela va changer" roughly translates into "The district of Capelette is hardly reachable by public transportation at present, but given the present development of the district one can hope that it will change"... I would wait for maturation on the French side before translating. --Anneyh (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* I just asked the main contributor to do something about it (he has no user page but on wp:fr he says he is en-3). --Anneyh (talk) 22:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
* I was fooled by the history I thought he had imported the articles whereas actually an administrator did that for you. The main contributor from wp:fr has the same opinion as me, it's a lot of work to translate these pages. --Anneyh (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
* Then it's best to write short english stubs instead for the time being. I think those articles do deserve to be on Wikipedia, even if they should be rewritten from the ground up. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
* I've just cleaned Arrondissements of Marseille, and I see has been working on the 1st and 2nd arrondissements yesterday. If someone can help us, that leave 14 arrondissements to clean ;) Comte0 (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
* Imho, I think the articles on neighbourhoods are much more interesting fr:Belsunce (Marseille) than these statistical tables. --Anneyh (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
* I agree about the tables, you should just throw them away, as I did with most of them while correcting Arrondissements of Marseille. Useful one are those of population, as they may hint at gentrification. I also think we must clean 1st arrondissement of Marseille (and the other arrondissements) before moving on to creating Belsunce (Marseille). Comte0 (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Inconsistent maps for regions??
Why are there such radically different maps for the different entries on regions in France? I just visited Burgundy where the map is horrible, and then Beaujolais where the map of the terrain in France is interesting, except that map doesn't show any regions or Departments -- instead, it has is for Beaujolais is a red rectangle that is overlaid on the approximate location. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidMorgan1950 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
* That's most certainly because Beaujolais (wine) is a Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée, not an administrative region. The map of Burgundy (French region) and Burgundy wine look fine to me, though. Nevertheless, I've just put better maps on Burgundy (French region) and Beaujolais (wine). Hope this help, Comte0 (talk) 21:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC) | WIKI |
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