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Daj#7482: > MoE and PKM are strictly better than all-attention, so that's last to try lol
@Deleted User Oh? Don't get me wrong I think it's all cool
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: But they did it, so what does it mean?
Daj#7482: good question haha
bmk#1476: > I'm down, I just have no experience with TPUs
@AI_WAIFU don't worry ... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: Also, most dataset used in GPT-2/3 have the average sample length somewhere around 1024, so using longer context results in an improvement only on the samples longer than 1024 or so.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: So, the gain is even smaller than datasets like Wikitext.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: on number ... |
Deleted User#0000: so certainyl
AI_WAIFU#2844: @bmk What's the process for getting started with TPUs?
Deleted User#0000: but for decoder, i don't know of that many techniques
Deleted User#0000: the decoder is a big headache, to be honest.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: @Deleted User sorry ill get back later
Deleted User#0000:... |
Daj#7482: Couldn't you use our mesh code?
Daj#7482: My old code has no microbatching or the like
bmk#1476: is the mesh code guaranteed to be correct?
Daj#7482: No, neither is my old code (though my old code is closer I guess)
AI_WAIFU#2844: =What is the motivation for using Daj's old code?
Daj#7482: The old code is as ... |
bmk#1476: > also getting the model to fit into hf code will be a challenge too
Daj#7482: HF already has OA models?
bmk#1476: > we'd need to rename a lot of variables
Daj#7482: Literally out of the box
Daj#7482: I'm not sure what you're trying to do lol
Daj#7482: If you just want losses and have GPU HF literally works o... |
Daj#7482: It's pretty well commented
Daj#7482: I'll help if you can't get it to work
bmk#1476: is it worth trying to figure out the tok16
bmk#1476: that shawwn was talking about
Daj#7482: No
Daj#7482: This dataformat and loader already works
bmk#1476: https://discordapp.com/channels/729741769192767510/72974176973815819... |
bmk#1476: theres only one json file here
Daj#7482: Yes, the OA vocab used the old encoder
Daj#7482: I encoded our OA WT with the old encoder
Daj#7482: We haven't yet gotten around to making OA vocab work with the new script
Daj#7482: I'm sure HF implements it though
Daj#7482: Just google it
Deleted User#0000: @bmk hav... |
bmk#1476: no idea why
bmk#1476: like i ran it all night and came back the next day to see the val loss was exactly the same
Deleted User#0000: after seeing Electra start working, and the seeing the GAN paper this morning (where they also use adversarial training), i wonder if we are missing something for auto-regressiv... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: I read BERT has mouth paper. Unfortunately, BERT variants without fine-tuning performs pathetically, so you want to stick with GPT-2/3.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: You can also read our response to Ethan's tweet (I think you read it): https://twitter.com/ethancaballero/status/1292118727371227142
Sid#2... |
Sid#2121: > @Sid yup, they do that as well. the paper i read they did that + backtranslation
@Deleted User can you link to the paper? Does it confer as much advantage as augmentation for GANs/image classifiers?
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: efficient in terms of both training and inference
Deleted User#0000: @Sid yea sure, i... |
bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/742882387708346419/Screenshot_2020-08-11-17-09-01-946_com.android.chrome.png
bmk#1476: Finally some good fucking vram
bmk#1476: If this card actually has 24 GB and costs less than the Titan RTX, I'm stocking up on cards
bmk#1476: But they're probably ... |
bmk#1476: aside from that one anomalous data point on the left, it looks like most of the improvement comes from longer context with bigger models
bmk#1476: what's the matter with that, anyways?
bmk#1476: the gap on the left in my graph doesnt look visibly big
AI_WAIFU#2844: let me double check that I did things right.... |
bmk#1476: first token shouldnt mean much
bmk#1476: thats still baffling though
bmk#1476: 0.6 gap
AI_WAIFU#2844: I think it's notable. The gap shows up between small and medium and between medium and large
bmk#1476: yeah but like
bmk#1476: single token context is literally markov chain
bmk#1476: there shouldnt be much i... |
bmk#1476: currently running gutenberg
bmk#1476: i have a feeling full gpt2 wont be very enlightening
AI_WAIFU#2844: Maybe try doing a run with n=10000 and I can do loess to smooth it out.
bmk#1476: i actually have one from earlier:
bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/742946370020966450/... |
AI_WAIFU#2844: Is the sign correct?
bmk#1476: text8 - gutenberg
bmk#1476: gutenberg loss goes down = difference goes up
bmk#1476: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/742949076336640090/unknown.png
bmk#1476: to really drive it home
AI_WAIFU#2844: wat
bmk#1476: yeah it makes no sense
bmk#1476: unle... |
bmk#1476: the gpt3 loss is artifically deflated because of the longer context length
bmk#1476: even if your model literally is not better, by having a long context length you can average out that initial spike
bmk#1476: like, even if you apply the exact same model on a rolling basis
bmk#1476: you can make the loss seem... |
bmk#1476: if you average, the peak on the left will screw you up
AI_WAIFU#2844: Theoretically I argue it should be the last one, but then you get more variance in your validation estimates and you need to do more work.
Deleted User#0000: you'd want all of them
bmk#1476: what about the big peak though
Deleted User#0000:... |
bmk#1476: doesnt that make stuff even more annoying
Deleted User#0000: so, if my output tensor is `batch x seq x num_tokens`
kindiana#1016: every token gets enough context with recurrance in txl
Deleted User#0000: i take `[:, -1, :]` and sample from that
Deleted User#0000: but you do some `[:, range?,:]`?
bmk#1476: i d... |
Deleted User#0000: or
bmk#1476: yeah
Deleted User#0000: ahhh yea, makes sense for validation loss!
Deleted User#0000: yea, it's the same as training loss
Deleted User#0000: aquajet is super confused now
Deleted User#0000: lol
Deleted User#0000: just read AI_WAIFU's first comment
Deleted User#0000: @aquajet so, like if ... |
Deleted User#0000: 2 cannot see 3, and 4
Deleted User#0000: 3 cannot see 4
Deleted User#0000: 4 can only see itslef
Deleted User#0000: oops
Deleted User#0000: reversed
Deleted User#0000: 2 can only see itself
Deleted User#0000: 3 can see itself and 2, and 4 can see all the rest
Deleted User#0000: you can only see the p... |
Deleted User#0000: you thinking of some creature from Nethack?
Deleted User#0000: @aquajet @ is shorthand for matrix multiply
aquajet#7800: > and the cross entropy is done over all tokens of the sequence
Thanks! I think I'm most confused on this part. We get a predicted [batch x seq_len x vocab] logix matrix from the m... |
Deleted User#0000: and you are fine
aquajet#7800: oh ok I see
Deleted User#0000: and yea, the model, when it is trained, is trained over all tokens, because you can do cross entropy in parallel
Deleted User#0000: over all the logits
Deleted User#0000: when generating, it is 1 by 1
Deleted User#0000: trying to get paral... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: bs
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: parameter size
kindiana#1016: I wonder if there is any analysis in the optimal bs and ctx for a constant bs*ctx
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: no analysis
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: wait, i wrote about it in my draft.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: but the trade-off isn't really an importan... |
@Aran Komatsuzaki I’m missing the context, but there is such a thing as an O(log n) algorithm. You may be confusing this with O(1/n) algorithms, which don’t exist.
kindiana#1016: I think retrieval based "attention" will be very interesting, as its allows you to do fine tuning model outputs by just changing the retriev... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: but you argued that, since it covers large portion of training dataset, it should work
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: oh wait
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: if you use recurrence, the cached activations should become stale after some iterations, so the retrieval doesn't really work there.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: ... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: i don't think so, but let me check it
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: yeah no paper on marge
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: cuz marge was published at the end of June
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: also, i don't see many people being excited about marge, so i think a follow-up paper will prob come from FAIR
Deleted User#... |
Deleted User#0000: yea, fusion in decoder is way simpler though, than say Realm
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: yeah, and marge is even simpler lol
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: cuz you don't even need dpr
Deleted User#0000: yea, once i wrap up the electra work this week, lets do Marge. it's prob a month long project
Aran Komatsuzaki#... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: i don't recommend rl. it appears that most tasks that human perform seem to be solvable with transformer lm.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: i mean obviously there are human tasks that can be solved by rl, not transformer mle as of now.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: but given the trend, it seems safer to assume ... |
bmk#1476: the idea is so enticing
bmk#1476: the theory seems to suggest that it's the perfect solution
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: yeah. unlike mle training space (e.g. cnn, transformer etc), the progress in rl/meta-learning seems very slow.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: seqgan? lol
Deleted User#0000: i mean, if Stephen Wolfram sp... |
bmk#1476: the only thing i can think of is bigger batch size
Louis#0144: dont even get me STARTED on emergence
Louis#0144: oh god
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: because neither gan nor rl works unfortunately.
Louis#0144: Ive had this argument so many times
Louis#0144: emergence != practical
Louis#0144: at all
bmk#1476: i just ... |
Louis#0144: the main issue with emergence in DNNs is the point at which emergence arises is like exponentially massive
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: likewise for Ben Goetzel
Louis#0144: (exponentially more weights)
bmk#1476: ml researchers: we need better theory, everything we have is :empiricism: !
also ml researchers: the ... |
bmk#1476: they use theory (from distributed computing)
Ravna#1831: nah it's the mathematician's fault that DL doesn't have enough theory
Ravna#1831: not DL researcher's job
Louis#0144: https://openreview.net/forum?id=rkecJ6VFvr
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: I used to be a mathematician, so I wouldn't call it a theory lol
Loui... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: me neither. biological analogy itself seems to me even useful at this point
Deleted User#0000: yea, the hopfield paper
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: * not useful
Louis#0144: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2017.00048/full
Louis#0144: This is what I think
Louis#0144: lol
Louis#0144: I ... |
bmk#1476: an airplane consumes infinity% more jet fuel than a bird
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: i'm looking forward to the results
Louis#0144: @Deleted User so attention exists in the brain in the form of local competiton. Its almost directly analogous to local attention. Global rules dont exist in the brain
Louis#0144: all ... |
Louis#0144: not NLP
Deleted User#0000: yea, in Aran's words, you're a 'neuroscience bro'
Louis#0144: LMAO
Deleted User#0000: i get it
Louis#0144: I just started there
Louis#0144: I dont really do it much anymore
Deleted User#0000: we haven't really succeeded going top-down tho
Louis#0144: yeah
Louis#0144: ofc not
Louis... |
bmk#1476: theyre both *types* of weight reusing
Deleted User#0000: 🤷♂️
Louis#0144: they lift activation weights to connection weights and then back to activation. Its kinda like taking a dual
Louis#0144: Very useful from an optimization perspective
Deleted User#0000: perplexity is low for everything you are typing
De... |
Deleted User#0000: let's face it Louis, with all of the sum of mathematics we know, we still amount to transforming functions so we can graph them into straight lines
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: > just params go brrr?
@bmk that's the kind of bro i like. conditional-computation bros
Deleted User#0000: because our monkey brai... |
Deleted User#0000: working with many constraints
Deleted User#0000: to give pressure to bring blood round and round
Ravna#1831: No, because only linear functions matter, just like in physics only the first term of the taylor series matters. Higher order terms are not worth calculating because even if you do, it's gonna... |
Deleted User#0000: bbl
AI_WAIFU#2844: I think the loss objective holds more clues.
Louis#0144: Tbh its mostly because the theories behind cog neuro have not advanced enough but if I had to bet I would say that higher order attention really is a good approach
Louis#0144: like we already know how well low order attention... |
Deleted User#0000: if not more.
Louis#0144: I agree
AI_WAIFU#2844: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743176586915741776/Figure_7.png
bmk#1476: that's this graph but not log on the x axis right? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743176925861642411/Screenshot-2020-08-12_08... |
AI_WAIFU#2844: Yup. I predict that that tail spike will be even sharper at 1.5B
bmk#1476: the one on the left?
AI_WAIFU#2844: On the right
bmk#1476: oh
bmk#1476: can you plot all 3 on top of each other
AI_WAIFU#2844: gimme a minute
AI_WAIFU#2844: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/74319033550032... |
AI_WAIFU#2844: I think the LM head longformer is.
AI_WAIFU#2844: Let me check.
bmk#1476: ```/pytorch/aten/src/ATen/native/cuda/IndexKernel.cu:84: operator(): block: [0,0,0], thread: [121,0,0] Assertion `index >= -sizes[i] && index < sizes[i] && "index out of bounds"` failed.
/pytorch/aten/src/ATen/native/cuda/IndexKern... |
StellaAthena#3530: Looks like there’s something systematically wrong
StellaAthena#3530: Have you looked at the cross correlation?
AI_WAIFU#2844: Ok, in this case you still need to normalize with log softmax, but the model is properly causal so you have to disable the :1 shifting that GPT-2 Needed
AI_WAIFU#2844: Like so... |
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bmk#1476: Hey @tremor @jotfa @Oju @krzysztof @Your Refridgerator ! Welcome to the World's most Grassroots AI lab! Check the Google doc in the Channel description for more info on the project
Oju#1167: Hello! I'll see how I can contribute, I don't have any experience in Distributed traini... |
bmk#1476: lol
AI_WAIFU#2844: I am experiencing difficulties. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743310872692391967/figure-longformer-base-text8.png
bmk#1476: O.o
bmk#1476: It looks to be one every 512?
bmk#1476: That's.. suspicious
bmk#1476: Anyways I'll run gpt2 large Gutenberg overnight
AI_WAIF... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: Is there any recommended discord server other than Yannic's? Especially for language modeling?
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: or any other chat room for lm?
StellaAthena#3530: The DEF CON AI interest group has a year-round discord: https://discord.gg/rfa2W2. The primary topics of discussion tend to be AI... |
Louis#0144: I think we agree
Louis#0144: I’m just wording it weirdly
Deleted User#0000: there's a lot of people looking for the computational convergence at the intersection of recurrent nets and grid cells now.. https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.10259
Deleted User#0000: exciting times
Louis#0144: I’m working. On a project as... |
Deleted User#0000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiwuClvH6k
stig#1237: Joined the server.
bmk#1476: @Louis what is it about Yannic?
bmk#1476: (note: I have no idea who they are)
StellaAthena#3530: @bmk He is a PhD student with a YouTube channel where he shares a mix of educational content and rants about how talking... |
StellaAthena#3530: Welcome @Deleted User (never thought I would say *that*)
Deleted User#0000: Hehe civ game funny
Louis#0144: triggerhappyghandi is a Civ reference
Louis#0144: ofc youd say that
Louis#0144: smh
Louis#0144: inevitable
bmk#1476: @AI_WAIFU https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/74358914... |
StellaAthena#3530: If you take a bad model and add more context, you get a larger % change in performance than if you took a better model and add more context.
StellaAthena#3530: That’s the observation, right? I don’t see why that should be surprising .
StellaAthena#3530: If I’m not making sense ignore me – I took off ... |
bmk#1476: hm
bmk#1476: i have a 1080ti, if you can get the code working i can run it
AI_WAIFU#2844: That works, I'll get it working with the smaller models and you can just change the numbers.
bmk#1476: ok sounds good
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AI_WAIFU#2844: Hello @deckard welcome to plots and graphs simulator 2... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: a question posed in the forum
Deleted User#0000: haha, sent a ❤️
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kindiana#1016: how does shared QK work at all with position encoding 🤔
kindiana#1016: for a token A to attend to token A-5 strongly, token A-5 needs to attend to A-10
kindiana#1016: because the query ... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: absolute, relative, etc
Deleted User#0000: yea, i think the Reformer team really favors the axial pos embedding, concatted
Deleted User#0000: because it helps LSH cluster the positions better
kindiana#1016: concatted to the output of Q/K?
kindiana#1016: or to the hidden
Deleted User#0000: ohh for... |
Daj#7482: Eh it depends on capacity. We have preemptible access, so basically if paying customers aren't using them, we can. technically we can have up to 2048, but in practice we usuay use 256 or 512
Daj#7482: The question of "enough" both had a somewhat straightforward answer and no straightforward answer at all haha... |
Deleted User#0000: @kindiana i do agree that at some certain scale, it probably would not matter. it's all just trying to work with constraints at the moment
Deleted User#0000: if you were building a QA system, you would most definitely reach for a retrieval solution than GPT-3
Deleted User#0000: at the moment
Aran Kom... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: they did some intervention to make it multilingual, but i think it was weak enough that it's reasonable to expect it to become better soon.
Deleted User#0000: except those hyperlinks are like to a search engine to the first 2-3 documents
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: yeah
Deleted User#0000: Madison May,... |
bmk#1476: What do we still need to be a Real Research Institute™?
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: in order to sell AGI tshirts?
bmk#1476: In order to collect funding
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: in order to stop worrying about living cost
bmk#1476: What would we have to do to get funding
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: that's the question
Ara... |
bmk#1476: that would be *awesome*
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: I'll add it into my CV and everything
bmk#1476: what about your current institution though?
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: website isn't my forte, so somebody needs to do it.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: I'll also add my institution.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: You can put as many ... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: sounds good
StellaAthena#3530: @Aran Komatsuzaki I can make a website
StellaAthena#3530: Honestly it’s real easy nowadays. It took me maybe 20 minutes to make my academic site: www.stellabiderman.com
StellaAthena#3530: @bmk I’m much more adept at writing and mathematics than coding, but I’m happy... |
bmk#1476: probably a paraphrased version of this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743912665478594730/unknown.png
StellaAthena#3530: Well if someone who has been involved with the group for more than the four days I’ve been here sends me some stuff to put up, I’m happy to set up a website 🙂
bmk... |
Sid#2121: Done. We could try posting on reddit/machinelearning too?
bmk#1476: good idea
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Sid#2121: Hey @santiagoitzcoatl welcome to gpt-3 replication zone! Check the google doc in the channel description for more info and don’t hesitate to ask if you have any questions
zphang#72... |
bmk#1476: `A grassroots AI research group aimed at democratizing AI research`
StellaAthena#3530: What does “grassroots” mean in this context
Sid#2121: why remove open sourcing
Sid#2121: that's kinda the whole point
bmk#1476: `A grassroots AI research group aimed at democratizing and open sourcing AI research`
bmk#1476:... |
bmk#1476: And we should have an onboarding page therr
Sid#2121: ah, we try to welcome everyone with a 'look at the google doc' message, but maybe we missed you @StellaAthena
Sid#2121: it's in the channel description
Sid#2121: but i think a lot of discords have a special onboarding 'channel' no?
StellaAthena#3530: Yeah ... |
Sid#2121: yeah eventually, but when we have something to show off
Sid#2121: ah @Louis has told me about AI village already, I meant what you parsed from the message 🙂
StellaAthena#3530: We have a year-round discord where we organize weekly paper readings and talk about ML and security stuff
bmk#1476: I think we need a... |
bmk#1476: Oh yeah a git org
bmk#1476: I'll make one rn
StellaAthena#3530: Yes!
StellaAthena#3530: I meant to ask about that
bmk#1476: hmm someone already took eleutherai
bmk#1476: was that anyone in here?
Sid#2121: i'm pretty sure that was us lmao,
bmk#1476: but who?
Sid#2121: @Daj made a git org when we decided on the... |
bmk#1476: We're going for GPT3 before 1T
bmk#1476: Also we've done research on the feasibility already
thenightocean#6100: @bmk @StellaAthena I can draw up some quick website mockups in sketch . Is there any assets I should include already (text, logo, images) ?
bmk#1476: @Sid can you post a high res version of the lo... |
Sid#2121: > @Sid can you post a high res version of the logo
@bmk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743946823265419384/EAI_logo2_copy.png
bmk#1476: Awesome
bmk#1476: @thenightocean
Deleted User#0000: @Semantic Aberration i've already added the best linear attention available
bmk#1476: #gpt-neox-... |
bavajee#2634: I've been trying to find the channel description 😁
Sid#2121: ah it's this bit lol @bavajee . Sorry our onboarding is really bad rn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729741769738158194/743963747374202920/Screenshot_2020-08-15_at_00.44.58.png
Sid#2121: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfCZBd18DMNt6... |
I think this would be better than marge because the reconstructive loss doesn't seem like it would be particularly effective at embedding "meaningful" things compared to phrasing and word order, and you might get faster training because you have meaningful losses on all tokens, not just the target documents (there woul... |
Semantic Aberration#3692: Sure, could work, on my PC cpu inference of GPT2-xl worked at ~10 characters per second
Semantic Aberration#3692: @bmk Token of wisdom ™️
Semantic Aberration#3692: 32 GB RAM is only ~14B params + some buffer for activations, most people don't have even 32GB
Semantic Aberration#3692: Anyway, yo... |
1) Is MARGE compatible with autoregressive LM objective ?
2) Is it really this large step up in perplexity/quality/factual correctness
3) Is it adaptable to a new retrieval dataset once trained, or you have to bake the dataset in ?
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: Yes and yes
About 3, the marge I'm thinking, called extended marg... |
show the world that you (the team) can do it 🤔
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: right, gpt-3 type stuffs are what makes us different
Semantic Aberration#3692: IMHO GPT-3 lacked book education
Semantic Aberration#3692: @Aran Komatsuzaki Oh, the irony !
Semantic Aberration#3692: I'm reading your paper, the abstract is very ambiti... |
Semantic Aberration#3692: @Aran Komatsuzaki Thanks ! I will think more about retrieval-based models
StellaAthena#3530: Ah, TC is something I’m *actually* qualified to opine on.
Semantic Aberration#3692: @StellaAthena Cool, well I'm a bit taken aback when I see a paper proving that some NN is TC, while using infinite pr... |
StellaAthena#3530: Do I follow you on twitter?
StellaAthena#3530: Also, if any of our newbies are interested in hardcore math and the theory of AI *please* come talk to me.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: i don't know. i use my real name both here and on twitter, so you can figure out easily.
StellaAthena#3530: I do now 🙂
Aran... |
Semantic Aberration#3692: @StellaAthena I find it interesting to view a set of problems weighted by probability of generation as a set conditioned on the universe I'm instantiated in
StellaAthena#3530: The complexity theory idea that I think you’re heading towards is “hard on average.”
StellaAthena#3530: The NFLT says ... |
Semantic Aberration#3692: Surely some optimization priors would work better for such instances
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: @bmk yeah lol
bmk#1476: Guys let's pump out all the papers we can
bmk#1476: More papers = more legitimacy
StellaAthena#3530: Right. But when I’m trying to solve optimization on a 40-dimensional simplex ... |
Papers:
https://eecs.wsu.edu/~cook/pubs/kdd03.pdf
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.98.4272&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Semantic Aberration#3692: @StellaAthena There was talk about detecting GAN-generated images by their spectral discrepancies, maybe you could do the same on graphs, maybe even with graph spectra... |
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: Can you do that?
bmk#1476: only daj can add channels though
Semantic Aberration#3692: Startups like to talk about unit economics and share dilution
StellaAthena#3530: Daj needs to give more people powers if we want to grow
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: @Daj Please create a new channel
bmk#1476: he lives... |
StellaAthena#3530: I didn’t honk anyone is proposing making us a start up
StellaAthena#3530: The suggestion was to have a space to discuss start up ideas if people have them
bmk#1476: ah that makes a lot more sense
StellaAthena#3530: As soon as you became a for-profit org the whole@point of grass roots AI democratizati... |
VitaminC#1262: Discovered this thanks to Aran
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: @dr Thanks a lot!
bmk#1476: Great to have you here @dr! You can check out our (admittedly messy, in true organic grassroots fashion) planning document here to get an idea of what we've been doing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wfCZBd18DMNt6YcC6bo... |
kindiana#1016: data processing could be possible though
bmk#1476: Unlike folding which divides easily into independent work units, it's going to be pretty hard to divide up training
StellaAthena#3530: It’s a company resource, but my company allows me to spend time on passion projects. I believe there are currently six ... |
kindiana#1016: I think the best shot at distributed training would be using model parallelism and reversible layers, so the minimum level of syncronization is required
Deleted User#0000: so there's some people trying to solve this decentralized training scheme, with some modest success, last i touched healthcare AI
Del... |
bmk#1476: Man this field moves fast
StellaAthena#3530: @Louis So, I actually only need low degree topical varieties which is why I am hopeful. Concretely, if you can determine whether p(x_0, ..., x_n) and q(x_0, ..., x_n) are the same polynomial or not where p and q are known to be **multilinear** tropical polynomials ... |
StellaAthena#3530: Hey if I was to drop $10 and get us a custom URL for a website for a year, what would we want it to be?
bmk#1476: we already own the obvious one
StellaAthena#3530: What do we own?
StellaAthena#3530: eleuther.ai?
bmk#1476: yes
bmk#1476: nothing is up yet though
StellaAthena#3530: Dope
Deleted User#000... |
So my current plan would be to apply this initially to a box world, basically copying https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.10122 and replacing the VAE and LSTM with axial transformers.
Before I go and spend the next month hooking this up to Atari and whatnot, are there any similar projects currently happening? I would assume Op... |
bmk#1476: 👍
bmk#1476: wait uh how do we get a name@eleuther.ai email?
Dmitry#5986: Joined the server.
Daj#7482: We have to setup a decent email provider and point the domain to it, I think
bmk#1476: hmm
Daj#7482: Hey @Dmitry ! Welcome to the AI Construction Zone! Check the channel description for info and don't hesita... |
Daj#7482: Guess we should think about better onboarding and distributed processing stuff
bmk#1476: yeah
kindiana#1016: data labeling is not as sexy as theorycrafting agi xP
Daj#7482: > and people just join and not even say anything
@bmk yes this is how discord works hah
bmk#1476: im seriously considering just using tra... |
bmk#1476: shit, we're making progress
Daj#7482: Indeed
Daj#7482: We'll get there in time
bmk#1476: ok so blocking issue for :books2: is yarr harr servers. lets finally contact archivist
bmk#1476: actually maybe we should get the pipeline working first?
Daj#7482: Pipeline seems pretty dominant in importance
Daj#7482: A... |
Daj#7482: #website , boring name, but it works
Sid#2121: > there's no way im ever getting enough data at this rate
@bmk what about the repo @Semantic Aberration posted in the pile? Didn’t it already have a lot of html vs clean text data?
Sid#2121: @Daj can I get access to the github org too?
Daj#7482: Remind me of you... |
Daj#7482: Hey @Babbleberns @JJ Hep @donderper @tobys ! Welcome to the AGI Bootcamp! Check the channel topic for info and don't hesitate to ask questions!
Daj#7482: @Aran Komatsuzaki oof we really need to think hard about what our goals are here. This started as a little hobby project, I'm very hesitant about getting se... |
StellaAthena#3530: FWIW, I get the same vibe from here that I get from DEF CON (I am one of the organizers of the DEF CON AI group) and I like that fact.
Daj#7482: I think that's a very good thing then hah
thenightocean#6100: you can be non-profit but still have crypto donations links on the website, right 😉
Aran Koma... |
Daj#7482: Yes we have we've gotten so much further than I could have hoped
goolulusaurs#1571: The thing is though, we are relying on TFRC, at least for now.
DerekChia#4046: Joined the server.
goolulusaurs#1571: (Also, I'm back, been very busy with work/classes/moving)
Daj#7482: But yeah that is true. We should not kid ... |
Daj#7482: There are so many reasons why a custom Datacenter sounds like a nightmare
bmk#1476: used 1080ti is possibly the best in price per flop
Daj#7482: And better things we could invest into
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: Why do you want to given we have TFRC?
bmk#1476: i was talking about if tfrc goes south
Aran Komatsuzak... |
Daj#7482: This is wildly unfeasible and not what makes this place cool
Deleted User#0000: Joined the server.
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: sup ethan
goolulusaurs#1571: Another thing is with systems like L2L it might make more since to buy GPUs with lower amounts of VRAM. 2060s have half the flops of 2080tis, but are a quarter... |
Daj#7482: Assuming 100% use and ignoring cooling, electricy, depreciation, real estate...
Daj#7482: And man hours to maintain it all
Daj#7482: We don't even have enough man hours to get someone to keep our TPUs occupied
Daj#7482: There are much better things to spend that on
bmk#1476: ok scratch that maybe itll take 2-... |
bmk#1476: also, even taking the "175 TFLOPS!!!1" figure that nvidia puts for v100 tensor core performance, 10x 2060 would still match that and cost $3k while the V100 would cost $700-1000
goolulusaurs#1571: I feel like the biggest hurdle for people contributing, myself included, is that programming the TPUs is hard.
bm... |
Semantic Aberration#3692: No TPU v3 are a godsend. I think it's our job to utilize these efficiently.
Semantic Aberration#3692: I'm saying this as someone running inference (GPT2) & training (smaller models) on my own GPU
Semantic Aberration#3692: I will help with runs, soon, when I'm up to speed with your repo
bmk#147... |
Daj#7482: ISSAAAAC
Daj#7482: nooooo
bmk#1476: damn the bot is broekn
Daj#7482: This is why we're losing focus
Daj#7482: Without Isaac McHorse, EleutherAI is lost
goolulusaurs#1571: Isaac still has the LibreAI logo too
Semantic Aberration#3692: @Daj
> What would "the crypto" even be for, exactly?
I find it obvious that... |
bmk#1476: I mean unlike VCs, if one is into crypto that provides a lot of evidence for being a fan of open stuff
Daj#7482: Or for being a Chinese asset lol
Semantic Aberration#3692: @Daj You don't think that OpenAI-like API (I can basically clone their frontend) for BTC (with, say, 50% margin) will not get traction ?
D... |
Daj#7482: But I agree that future models are far more interesting/exciting/scary
Aran Komatsuzaki#5714: gpt-3 requires a bit of grad student descent at designing a good prompt, so i hope a robustness to perturbation in prompt will be addressed in gpt-4
goolulusaurs#1571: Judging from the last few years algorithms are g... |
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