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MythologicalZ#3752: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616300427570446346/vgaatir570.png
TheFifthAce#4128: its better than yellow
MythologicalZ#3752: Looks fine imo
TheFifthAce#4128: I just
TheFifthAce#4128: why did they change the design completely from the rx 580 pulse
TheFifthAce#4128: like that card looked fucking awesome
Deleted User#0000: Oi guys, does anyone know how to draw in photoshop or something?
TheFifthAce#4128: I do
JustinXenyx#8854: To all the people living in England or London, what are some tech stores that are worth checking out? Knowing me i'll probably forget some electronics so it would be nice to know where to get the stuff i need lol
Robin#5845: Which would perform better an R9 270x or a gtx 960
thatubuntuguy#5914: @JustinXenyx cex
thatubuntuguy#5914: what sorta stuff you looking for
thatubuntuguy#5914: theres ccl computers for new stuff but thats not in london
thatubuntuguy#5914: or you can hop on ebay
JustinXenyx#8854: Most likely USB chargers, cables and some basic headphones |
JustinXenyx#8854: i think CeX is gonna cut it for that ngl, but i might also pick up some other shit if i'm there lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeahh cex should be okay for you then
thatubuntuguy#5914: i dont remember if they do headphones but its likely
thatubuntuguy#5914: but usb charges and cables you'll 100% find in store but some of the more obscure shit you might have to look online
HappySlappyFace#0441: @Deleted User well if its a case u care about get a drill
HappySlappyFace#0441: no need for dremel
HappySlappyFace#0441: if u dont then screwdriver py it out
HappySlappyFace#0441: but be careful
HappySlappyFace#0441: you can hurt urself
HappySlappyFace#0441: and it will be loud
Bogrolluser#5568: i got a DQ67OW intel mainboard
MythologicalZ#3752: :GWgoaThinken:
MythologicalZ#3752: Q67 then
Bogrolluser#5568: yee
MythologicalZ#3752: No OCing |
MythologicalZ#3752: Should just go with a non K 3770 then
Bogrolluser#5568: so just a regular 3770? Or an s?
MythologicalZ#3752: Mhm
MythologicalZ#3752: nah
MythologicalZ#3752: Just the reg 3770
MythologicalZ#3752: S is power saving iirc so lower turbo
MythologicalZ#3752: Or the same clocks at a lower tdp
Bogrolluser#5568: ahhh right
Bogrolluser#5568: dont really need anything else upgraded. Maybe a 1tb hdd instead of a 500gb but thats just for my high vid storage
MythologicalZ#3752: Got an SSD?
Bogrolluser#5568: i was thinking a boot ssd but nothing else really
Bogrolluser#5568: just stick with the old 7200 hdd
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah cheapo BX500 for your OS
MythologicalZ#3752: or a SU800 if not much more expensive
Bogrolluser#5568: ye. Im gonna have to upgrade to windows 10 soon so il probably get that |
Bogrolluser#5568: hell might even do it tonight
thatubuntuguy#5914: dq67ow is half decent actually
thatubuntuguy#5914: i had one
thatubuntuguy#5914: my only grievances are not enough fan ports and no usb 3.0
thatubuntuguy#5914: but its okay
thatubuntuguy#5914: bios is okay but you're not going to find any oc features obviously
thatubuntuguy#5914: i had a 2400 in one
thatubuntuguy#5914: used it for a year before the cpu shitted itself and took the board with it
JustinXenyx#8854: I remember you asking about that here lol @thatubuntuguy
thatubuntuguy#5914: yup!
thatubuntuguy#5914: good times those
thatubuntuguy#5914: it was good tho while it lasted
thatubuntuguy#5914: i was very happy with it
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, i think USB3 is found more commonly on ivy-bridge mobos and they're not really found a lot on sandy generation mobos
thatubuntuguy#5914: that's true |
thatubuntuguy#5914: just a lil complaint of mine
thatubuntuguy#5914: my z77 has usb 3.0
thatubuntuguy#5914: remember when i was an idiot and mounted the cooler bracket before the cpu itself
thatubuntuguy#5914: and then i was begging for help over here because of my stupidity
thatubuntuguy#5914: and then i couldn't figure out how the fuck to mount the cooler
thatubuntuguy#5914: and then the road to 5ghz
Lady Mipha#0611: :haha:
Lady Mipha#0611: Also F for those moments
thatubuntuguy#5914: that was really fun actually looking back on it
thatubuntuguy#5914: i was so nervous getting to 5ghz
thatubuntuguy#5914: alcyone was like throw all the voltage and i was like noooo i dont wanna fry it and i could sense the shame
Jam#0384: So I may be able to obtain Zen 2 next month
Jam#0384: my h67 and z77 have usb 3
Jam#0384: but my z77 has way more
Jam#0384: and the fast charge usbs also |
Jam#0384: and firewire, hdmi, b2b
Jam#0384: lots of stuff
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Guys the screws in my standoffs are stuck what do I do
Jam#0384: you just dont strip them in the first place
Jam#0384: i mean like
Jam#0384: slowly unscrew
Jam#0384: lol
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Well I'm fucked because I kinda stripped them
Jam#0384: All of them?
JustinXenyx#8854: wym "standoffs are stuck"?
Rysing Dragoon#5628: The screws on the standoffs
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Are stuck
Rysing Dragoon#5628: And I need help
Jam#0384: you mean for the motherboard?
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Yes |
Jam#0384: IDK man just be more careful
JustinXenyx#8854: Are the screws stuck or are the standoffs just not properly held in place?
JustinXenyx#8854: I had this with an old AM2 rig where the screw and standoff where both rotating so i had to get pliers to hold the standoff in place
Rysing Dragoon#5628: The screws are stuck
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Oh so I need pliers?
JustinXenyx#8854: Depends
JustinXenyx#8854: If the standoffs are screwing out, then i'd just take out the entire mobo with stand offs and manually get them off
JustinXenyx#8854: If they arent moving at ALL, maybe try a bit more force
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Oh god
Rysing Dragoon#5628: At that point, I'd may as well give up and get a new case since I fucked the backplate anyway
Rysing Dragoon#5628: As much as I'd hate to do that
nighteden#1154: hey folks; was wondering if you could help me out here
should i go with 2x16 or 4x8 modules of DDR4? i'm getting mixed opinions where 4x8 is better for stability and that 2x16 may cause problems down the line with upgradeability even if i technically use the exact same kit? what are you thoughts/recommendations?
TheFifthAce#4128: @nighteden ryzen or intel
nighteden#1154: intel i9-9900K |
TheFifthAce#4128: doesnt matter
nighteden#1154: thinking of pairing it with CL16 3200MHz
TheFifthAce#4128: whichever is cheaper and looks nicest
nighteden#1154: Would it be a problem if I went with 3000?
TheFifthAce#4128: no
nighteden#1154: Even with higher refresh rate gaming?
TheFifthAce#4128: it'd be a 1-3% difference
TheFifthAce#4128: in most instances
TheFifthAce#4128: slightly higher at like 4-6% at 1080p
nighteden#1154: but in terms of real world performance; you would say it's negligible then?
TheFifthAce#4128: yes
nighteden#1154: thanks for the advice!
nighteden#1154: personally i always found having all 4 sticks populated looked more aesthetically pleasing
TheFifthAce#4128: gskill sells dummy sticks
TheFifthAce#4128: and corsair does too I think |
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Do they?
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Dang
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Never knew that
nighteden#1154: I think Corsair only does it with their Vengeance Pro RGB
Rysing Dragoon#5628: I only got two sticks since I don't want that much RGB in my build
nighteden#1154: GSkill's TridentZ for sure
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Also they're not RGB at all
Rysing Dragoon#5628: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616813393885790208/20190829_164119.jpg
nighteden#1154: Oh nice, LPX right?
TheFifthAce#4128: theyre in the wrong slots
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Yeah, lpx
Rysing Dragoon#5628: @TheFifthAce that's the joke
Rysing Dragoon#5628: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616813493445853285/20190829_165348.jpg
TheFifthAce#4128: :Mad:
TheFifthAce#4128: still wrong slots |
nighteden#1154: Huh... I thought they would be most right
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Wdym
nighteden#1154: At least on Intel it is
TheFifthAce#4128: 2 and 4
TheFifthAce#4128: @nighteden no??
Rysing Dragoon#5628: 2 and 4?
TheFifthAce#4128: not on *any*
Rysing Dragoon#5628: I was told 1 and 3
TheFifthAce#4128: 1 and 3 is large gay
TheFifthAce#4128: 2 and 4 gang
Rysing Dragoon#5628: You sure about this
nighteden#1154: I'm pretty sure it's 2 and 4
TheFifthAce#4128: @nighteden if you put ram next to each other it's single channel lo
nighteden#1154: That's not to say 1 and 3 won't work
TheFifthAce#4128: 1 and 3 will work |
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Ok, cause I was told that it was 1 and 3
TheFifthAce#4128: I just had better luck with 2 and 4 on the pro4
TheFifthAce#4128: I own the board dude.
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Oups
Rysing Dragoon#5628: I'm reminded every day that people know way more than I do because they actually own that product
TheFifthAce#4128: its inside my build as we speak
TheFifthAce#4128: https://valid.x86.fr/azgd87
TheFifthAce#4128: zzz
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Ok I gotcha, 2 and 4 gang it is
TheFifthAce#4128: I upgraded since that tho
nighteden#1154: 2 and 4 also helps if you go with coolers like the be quiet! dark rock 4
TheFifthAce#4128: hes using an r3 1200
nighteden#1154: since those coolers tend to overhang on the first DIMM slot
TheFifthAce#4128: stock cooler is fine
nighteden#1154: just saying that coolers do overhang on ram |
nighteden#1154: so generally 2 and 4 is better
TheFifthAce#4128: yes
TheFifthAce#4128: @Rysing Dragoon have you tried rubber band trick or dremel trick for the screws
nighteden#1154: and now i'm debating actually to go with 4x8 because of that
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Rubber band trick?
nighteden#1154: wait; stripped screw?
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Yeah
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Two of the screws that are holding my old motherboard are completely stuck and I can't get them out
TheFifthAce#4128: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616814574066335756/unknown.png
nighteden#1154: i once nearly stripped an M.2 screw on an EVGA motherboard because OEMs love to overtighten their screws and they go with softer metals for screws
Rysing Dragoon#5628: Oh my sweet jesus almighty
nighteden#1154: used a knife to get it out
Rysing Dragoon#5628: No wonder why I'm having a problem with it
TheFifthAce#4128: what happened
Rysing Dragoon#5628: I just remembered that my PC is a Cyberpowerpc |
TheFifthAce#4128: yes
nighteden#1154: they prolly used an electric screwdriver
nighteden#1154: imo better used for taking screws out than putting screws in
Holmes#8600: yo
Holmes#8600: need some help
Holmes#8600: bloody pc beeps twice
Holmes#8600: turns off after
Holmes#8600: i believe it’s a ram issue
Holmes#8600: but that doesn’t make much sense since i just got it
Holmes#8600: and never actually used it
Holmes#8600: some help would be appreciated, too
JustinXenyx#8854: Can you give more detailed specifications about your computer? The beep codes can vary widely from motherboard to motherboard, so knowing what we're working with is gonna make things a lot easier @Holmes
Holmes#8600: No problem.
Holmes#8600: I’ve got a Tuf Gaming B450-Plus Mobo, Evga GTX 1050 Ti, Corsair CX750M, Corsair Vengeance DDR4 2x8 2400Mhz, and an amd ryzen 5 2600.
Holmes#8600: @JustinXenyx (hmm) |
JustinXenyx#8854: Asus is pretty useless rn, ngl
JustinXenyx#8854: The mobo manual doesn't mention anything about beep codes in general
Holmes#8600: Correct, which is why I am assuming that it might be a RAM issue.
Stingo#1000: What would people say is the best gpu you can get for £150
JustinXenyx#8854: New or used? @Stingo
Stingo#1000: Either
JustinXenyx#8854: New you'd be best off with a 570 8GB, used i think a 1070 or Vega may be possible
Stingo#1000: What about a 580 8gb iv seen a couple of them around or does the 1070 out shine it?
JustinXenyx#8854: The 1070 kicks the 580 into its balls lol
Stingo#1000: oh right xD
Impish#5173: :OmegaxD:
Lady Mipha#0611: :OmegaxD:
JustinXenyx#8854: Jokes on you for thinking it's a branded case
JustinXenyx#8854: It has a super generic front panel
Lady Mipha#0611: ^ |
Swellow there#6655: ThinkCentre M92/M92p Tower Desktop
So my brother wants me to upgrade this
Swellow there#6655: And the issue is that It's going to be hard to find the best cpu or graphics card for this
Swellow there#6655: Because it's a prebuilt
JustinXenyx#8854: ~~M92? You sure?~~ nvm, google result showed me some bs about the sff version
JustinXenyx#8854: Best price to performance CPU? Probably an i7 2600 depending on the region
Swellow there#6655: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616995552487407708/20190830_095956.jpg
JustinXenyx#8854: Best GPU to pair that with at a decent price? Probably a used RX4/570 or 4/580
Swellow there#6655: Understood
JustinXenyx#8854: But, to be clear, the Motherboard uses proprietary power connectors, so if you're gonna put in a new PSU keep in mind to buy an adapter @Swellow there
Swellow there#6655: Oof
Swellow there#6655: https://youtu.be/FbPREsjF5XQ
Swellow there#6655: Debating on just telling him to just go with a ryzen build |
Swellow there#6655: Because it should have better performance
Swellow there#6655: For cost
JustinXenyx#8854: Depends
JustinXenyx#8854: Does he already have the Thinkcentre?
Swellow there#6655: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/616998601322790937/20190830_095956.jpg
Swellow there#6655: Yes
Swellow there#6655: This is the one
JustinXenyx#8854: how much ram does it have?
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, what region are you in? I wanna make sure i can estimate the prices right
Swellow there#6655: We have absolutely no clue because we haven't been able to connect to a monitor because it uses vga
Swellow there#6655: But
Swellow there#6655: It's definitely us
Swellow there#6655: U.S
JustinXenyx#8854: what
Swellow there#6655: Definitely |
Swellow there#6655: Good point
JustinXenyx#8854: So, your region is US or what? :haha:
JustinXenyx#8854: also, please keep the message amount to a minimum and try to use longer sentences, the shorter messages just clog up chat
JustinXenyx#8854: So @Swellow there, if you aren't sure about the function of the Thinkcentre and your brother would be fine with used parts, maybe you should go with a used Ryzen rig with a 570 like Arber suggested
TheFifthAce#4128: optiplex gang
TheFifthAce#4128: :crabrave:
Stingo#1000: I forgot to ask earlier what places can you buy gpu from in the uk other than eBay
Bogrolluser#5568: cex
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd only use CeX if its a good price though, sometimes they do overprice stuff
thatubuntuguy#5914: yes they do overprice, do check the price first
kittycat959#2895: They are pretty good for laptop pricing
DarknessFalls229#2286: whew suddenly i got 2 hits on my pc ad. Anyone know how many FPS i should get on a GTX 780 + i7 2600k?
DarknessFalls229#2286: On CS:GO might i add
TheGeekster#8508: Plenty, a 780 should be more than enough, and the i7 shouldn't bottleneck it, at least a steady 60, probably over 100 tho
DarknessFalls229#2286: so should i tell the guy that he acn get 100 FPS with this system? 100 sounds a bit low though |
TheGeekster#8508: i wouldn't really promise anything, it depends what screen he hooks it up to, what settings etc
TheGeekster#8508: But it *should* do 144hz alright, but again can't really like... promise that
kittycat959#2895: I get 120 FPS on an i7 860 and 550ti
kittycat959#2895: Your fine with that setup lmao
JustinXenyx#8854: tell him atleast 100FPS average and he'll be happy @DarknessFalls229
DarknessFalls229#2286: alright, thanks
DarknessFalls229#2286: Also, ive been wanting to ask @JustinXenyx for a while. Whats a good price for a coolermaster Silent pro gold PSU?
JustinXenyx#8854: what
JustinXenyx#8854: They look like pretty decent power supplies, but also pretty old
JustinXenyx#8854: Reviews date that power supply series back to around early 2012, so i wouldn't really pay much for them because they could be on their way out
DarknessFalls229#2286: @JustinXenyx I got a 1200 watt 80+ gold edition of the PSU for 45 euro, that good?
JustinXenyx#8854: Not that bad tbh
JustinXenyx#8854: but check the caps
DarknessFalls229#2286: it looks in like new condition
TheFifthAce#4128: I benched 780 ti and got in the 150-160s @ 1080p medium |
DarknessFalls229#2286: welp, just got around to testing it myself
DarknessFalls229#2286: 1200p high settings, jumps between 150-200, usually around 160-170
DarknessFalls229#2286: but it was a deathmatch bot match
TheFifthAce#4128: ye sounds about right
TheFifthAce#4128: I was also testing it with an i5 2400, not a 2600k so you prolly have a slight cpu edge
DarknessFalls229#2286: i must have, got it clocked at 4.5 too
Tinybox#9112: Quick question @TheFifthAce
BE-QUIET S9 over EVGA 450BT?
TheFifthAce#4128: @Tinybox FSP vs Super Flower
TheFifthAce#4128: both are good
Tinybox#9112: alright, well the S9 is cheaper.
Tinybox#9112: While the BT ist 3 euros more
TheFifthAce#4128: s9 is a bit older but still solid
Tinybox#9112: Alright then , S9 instead of BT?
TheFifthAce#4128: @Tinybox is that the 400w or |
Tinybox#9112: ye
TheFifthAce#4128: ehhh
Tinybox#9112: 400w vs 450 (EVGA BT)
Tinybox#9112: The S9 has an extra 8/6 pin though
TheFifthAce#4128: I mean, if you don't mind the lower wattage
TheFifthAce#4128: the s9 is more than sufficient
Tinybox#9112: My friend wants to power his i7 6700 and RX 480
Tinybox#9112: since his old psu died
TheFifthAce#4128: should be fine
Tinybox#9112: Yea but is the extra 3 euros worth it for the BT?
***But losing a bit of power (combined) on the 12V, and losing a 6/8 pin***
nighteden#1154: out of curiosity, how do you check the psu whether it's FSP or super flower?
TheFifthAce#4128: I have a few databases I reference for psu oems
TheFifthAce#4128: + I have a lot of them memorized
nighteden#1154: What about EVGA 850W GQ? |
TheFifthAce#4128: FSP
TheFifthAce#4128: good oem
nighteden#1154: fantastic!
Impish#5173: Hey so this app called Android OS is taking a lot of my mobile data if I turn it on it uses like 50mb and if I turn off and on my screen like 25mb
Impish#5173: I've disabled mobile data but can't turn off background data
Impish#5173: Help?
Impish#5173: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617269508322754570/Screenshot_20190831-100641.png
JustinXenyx#8854: Not sure if you're trolling or are actually serious @Impish
MythologicalZ#3752: ^
Impish#5173: Serious
Impish#5173: How am I trolling ?
TheGeekster#8508: *Android is the operating system*
Impish#5173: Ik but can u turn off so it doesn't use data in the background?
MythologicalZ#3752: No
TheGeekster#8508: ^ Connect it up to wifi so it can do what it wants to do, if it gets more of a chance on wifi it'll use less mobile data in general |
Impish#5173: I turned it so it doesn't use mobile data
Impish#5173: I'm on WiFi now and it uses wayy more like 10mb were on mobile data like 300mb in 3 hours
Impish#5173: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617281206085746688/Screenshot_20190831-105310.png
Impish#5173: ty i guess
TheGeekster#8508: It's incredibly difficult to tell why a phone is using data, it could be a million things, email accounts gone wrong, app updates in the background, system updates, sorry we can't be more specific but it's very phone dependant
Impish#5173: I understand but know if I turn off and on my phone it uses 1mb when I turn on mobile data and then doesn't use it at all
Impish#5173: Problem fixed
JustinXenyx#8854: Wtf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617349449710174209/image0.jpg
JustinXenyx#8854: I have never seen that before lmao
DarknessFalls229#2286: windows: "problems with your work or school account, please sign back in to change options"
Meanwhile i cant sign into my school account because it doesnt exist anymore
DarknessFalls229#2286: so everyday i get that notification
Deleted User#0000: My school uses win7 so i dont get that come up
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah but i get that notif when i'm trying to log into my normal account on my laptop @DarknessFalls229
JustinXenyx#8854: It just kicks me into a temp account |
Deleted User#0000: i have my primary school account still
steelpanda#9876: I would like a bit of advice. I currently have a G4560 with 8GB of RAM. I can get an upgrade kit to an i5-3570k with 16GB of RAM (and an MB of course) for 125 euros. Is that worth it?
JustinXenyx#8854: Not really imo
Deleted User#0000: @steelpanda nah
JustinXenyx#8854: You already have a DDR4 platform, i'd probably just go to ryzen and upgrade ram later
steelpanda#9876: Hmm, not a bad idea then. Any decent cheap Ryzen you would recommend?
Deleted User#0000: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617360396847677489/Screenshot_20190831-150940.jpg
Deleted User#0000: oof only 40
JustinXenyx#8854: that's not euro you dickhead @Deleted User
JustinXenyx#8854: :Hahahahaha:
Deleted User#0000: @JustinXenyx oh yee. I dont lime euro
steelpanda#9876: Around 50 euros. It also comes with an MB with 4 channel memory and 2 x 8GB
Deleted User#0000: eh
steelpanda#9876: But if Ryzen is a better choice, I could switch to AM4 and try to get a decent MB
Deleted User#0000: get ryzen |
Deleted User#0000: is it for gaming?
steelpanda#9876: No, a lot of multitasking
steelpanda#9876: My current setup can barely keep up with me
Deleted User#0000: ah fair
steelpanda#9876: Any decent Ryzen processors out there for a relatively small budget?
steelpanda#9876: Perhaps a first generation
JustinXenyx#8854: R3 1200 and maybe the R5 1400 should be super cheap
steelpanda#9876: I see. What about the motherboard chipset? I'm fairly new to AM4 and would like overclocking capability
JustinXenyx#8854: Then don't go A320
JustinXenyx#8854: Those boards may be cheap, but they do not allow for overclocking
steelpanda#9876: All right, thank you for the advice
steelpanda#9876: Hmm, I don't know about Ryzen, @JustinXenyx. I currently use 4 screens on my computer with an older card that doesn't support that, so I'm combining it with my integrated graphics. The first generation Ryzen processors don't have that, and the ones that do are almost the price of the aforementioned upgrade kit
steelpanda#9876: Also, getting another 8GB of DDR4 isn't really cheap either. I'm at the point where I do need 16GB as my memory keeps filling up
JustinXenyx#8854: Thing is though, with that 3570k upgrade kit you'd buy into a "dead end" and for that kind of money i wouldn't accept that really
steelpanda#9876: I understand that. The socket is indeed somewhat outdated, but it still outperforms my current system. Getting a Ryzen would indeed help with upgrading and compatibility, but it's out of my price range if I either want a graphics card that supports at least 3 or 4 screens or a Ryzen processor with integrated graphics |
steelpanda#9876: I'll try to compile a list of possible upgrade choices. My current setup will be used as an office computer when I've finished my upgrades
TheGeekster#8508: Out of interest, are you gaming across all 4 screens? or just need a display for most? A second cheap quadro GPU could happily sit in your system next to your primary GPU, they are dirt cheap, and would give you the extra screen? @steelpanda
TheGeekster#8508: A little janky, but i've used multiple gpu's across multiple monitors before, seems to work alright
steelpanda#9876: Hmm, an interesting solution. I will keep it in mind, thank you @TheGeekster
steelpanda#9876: I use it to divide my workflow. Otherwise I constantly have to switch between programs and windows, which makes it difficult to keep focus
TheGeekster#8508: Aye if it's only work based things, second basic single slot gpu should be alright
Alcyone#2233: If you have a g4560, a skylake/kaby i5 would be a better upgrade than going backwards to an ivy bridge quad
SussyBalls#4615: or just drop the entire kabylake/skylake platform and move on, it's pretty dead and the 4c/8t maximum is not worth it
DarknessFalls229#2286: What do you guys reckon an ASUS X555LJ could sell for?
SussyBalls#4615: specs?
DarknessFalls229#2286: It features an i5 5200U, 4GB of ram, 920mx
SussyBalls#4615: is the ram upgradable?
SussyBalls#4615: if you add 4 more gb it could be a lot more sellable
DarknessFalls229#2286: Well, im asking for a friend
DarknessFalls229#2286: Hes looking to sell his old laptop, so he doesnt just have spare parts |
SussyBalls#4615: lol what the board only has one dimm, thank you asus, very cool
either ways try and start at 150 dollars and go from there, can't expect much more from a dual core with a gddr3 gpu
DarknessFalls229#2286: @JustinXenyx whats your german based view on it?
JustinXenyx#8854: 5200U and 920MX could easily do 200-250
DarknessFalls229#2286: thanks
DarknessFalls229#2286: talking bout euros right?
JustinXenyx#8854: Yup
SussyBalls#4615: Anyone know what socket the 2nd fan holes are for? board is a koloe x58 that was in a case i bought https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617418420987887646/JPEG_20190831_200117.jpg
BigPierogi#3368: possibly for a water cooler?
BigPierogi#3368: or aftermarket cooler?
TheFifthAce#4128: 775
TheFifthAce#4128: cooler
TheFifthAce#4128: bunch of 1155 boards do it too
SussyBalls#4615: oh cool
kayo#6620: @JustinXenyx Idk if you remember me from this conversation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/617740085646983188/Screenshot_2019-09-01-11-18-20.png |
kayo#6620: but i bought an rx 590 from Sapphire and the exact same issues persisted
kayo#6620: which leads me to believe it's most likely a power supply issue like i thought, or unlikely but plausible a motherboard issue or the pci express buses on my 2600 are busted
JustinXenyx#8854: I still think it might be coil whine
kayo#6620: a buzzing noise coming directly from the 8 pin connector on any gpu i try that makes the system shut down when I push it graphically is coil whine?
kayo#6620: doesn't seem like it to me...
TheGeekster#8508: "buzzing noise" is generally coil whine, as nothing else really... makes a noise... if you've tried multiple GPU's and they all do it, then it might be the PSU struggling to provide the power required
JustinXenyx#8854: yup, that's like the best definition for coil whine on a gpu lmao @kayo
kayo#6620: but it happens on two different gpus
JustinXenyx#8854: Coil whine happens on basically every electrical component that has an inductor (and more) on it
kayo#6620: and i find it hard to believe id be that unlucky
kayo#6620: i don't have any idea how to find a solution to this then because I've already tried another gou
JustinXenyx#8854: Coil Whine isn't something you can fix (Unless it is a PSU issue)
kayo#6620: yes well I've already bought another new gpu and that new one does it too
kayo#6620: just bought an evga 700watt 80+ bronze at Best buy, when i get home I'ma try that out
JustinXenyx#8854: yikes |
kayo#6620: not worried about the expensive though it's generally good to have another spare psu
kayo#6620: on god I've used evga psus for years and never had issues with them
JustinXenyx#8854: idc about that, i've worked with basically every pc component manufacturer there is lol
kayo#6620: what do you work as?
JustinXenyx#8854: to simplify it, PC assembler
kayo#6620: ah
kayo#6620: sounds like a fun job
wiryfuture🦀#1706: **pc god**?
kayo#6620: but i can't imagine it being fun after years of doing it
kayo#6620: do you ever get burnt out from it?
JustinXenyx#8854: The thing with the EVGA Bronze (and lower) units is that they're way to expensive for their relative quality
JustinXenyx#8854: Sometimes, but i feel like that's part of a job
kayo#6620: mm
kayo#6620: wym this is the cheap af for 700 watt 80+ bronze
kayo#6620: because i ain't trusting thermaltake lmao |
JustinXenyx#8854: I still wouldn't call them worth their money, especially when they're being downgraded even further in certain regions like Brazil etc
kayo#6620: i don't know, i couldn't find something cheaper for what i was looking for
kayo#6620: aside from thermaltake """""smart"""" psus
kayo#6620: that have like a 2 star rating
JustinXenyx#8854: fair enough then
kayo#6620: and these have really god ratings so it's my best bet
kayo#6620: apparently someone's house fucking burnt down because of thermaltake's psu lmfao
JustinXenyx#8854: oh the cheaper Thermaltake PSUs are super sketchy, don't get me wrong there
JustinXenyx#8854: But the EVGA Bronze units are built by HEC, who also don't have a really good reputation
TheFifthAce#4128: evga BR, B, and the other one are HEC
TheFifthAce#4128: BT is superflower
TheFifthAce#4128: and the word you're looking for is *all thermaltake psus are sketchy
JustinXenyx#8854: BQ? @TheFifthAce
TheFifthAce#4128: that one
TheFifthAce#4128: and BV |
TheFifthAce#4128: actually
TheFifthAce#4128: BQ is andyson
TheFifthAce#4128: :kok:
TheFifthAce#4128: even worse
JustinXenyx#8854: wasn't it that BQ varied from HEC and Andyson?
JustinXenyx#8854: or am i thinking of something else here
TheFifthAce#4128: yeah the higher wattage bqs are hec
TheFifthAce#4128: lower wattage are andyson
TheFifthAce#4128: 650w+ is hec
TheFifthAce#4128: basically if you're buying EVGA
TheFifthAce#4128: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2293.htm
TheFifthAce#4128: anything on this list that says FSP or Super flower
TheFifthAce#4128: is a good PSU
TheFifthAce#4128: or seasonic
kayo#6620: https://youtu.be/YdJLgAT_eO4 |
kayo#6620: new PSU in, same issue.
kayo#6620: should i try jump-starting one and just try running my gpu on only one PSU?
kayo#6620: don't think that'd do much considering how overkill 700w is for this system
kayo#6620: @JustinXenyx
kayo#6620: at this point im at a loss for how to fix this, at this point the last contestant is the mobo
JustinXenyx#8854: On phone rn, will give more detailed answer l8r
kayo#6620: the noise isnt an issue. I know that's just how this works. the issue is that my system shuts down under gpu load, on both my Rx 580 and rx 580, 550w and 700w psu
JustinXenyx#8854: Consid. the issue is persistant across mult. cards and psus i'd start to check elsewhere
kayo#6620: that's why im thinking it's the mobo
DarknessFalls229#2286: have another PCIe slot you can use?
kayo#6620: yep
kayo#6620: tried everything i can with everything i have on hand
JustinXenyx#8854: May b insuff. PCIe power then
kayo#6620: which is why im thinking some sort of bus leading power into it is fucked
kayo#6620: on god im 15 and work a retail job i have money to spend with no reprocussions and on top of that im building a second computer soon so buying new parts to fix this issue isn't a problem |
JustinXenyx#8854: RX X70/80 draw more than allowed by spec, might just be the mobo disliking that
kayo#6620: you think so?
kayo#6620: should i return my Rx 590 and try something from the GeForce lineup?
kayo#6620: this is all just super weird to me because everything was working fine for like a month and a half before this all staryed
JustinXenyx#8854: If you have the chance, yeah
kayo#6620: don't they use way less power?
kayo#6620: i know the Rx 580/590 is powerful but consumes a shit ton of power in return
JustinXenyx#8854: Regarding the PCIe power thing: I think it could be that, because it would also explain why it's been buzzing that bad
JustinXenyx#8854: It may not get sufficient PCIe slot power and it's then trying to draw that missing power from the 8Pin but then actually overdrawing the 8 pin a decent amount
Sol Invictuvs#0301: woud a vega 64 be any good for 4k ?
JustinXenyx#8854: Not really
JustinXenyx#8854: for 4k you'd definitely want 1080Ti and up for decent performance
Sol Invictuvs#0301: is thje vaga good for proce preformance aka £350
JustinXenyx#8854: for 350 GBP not really
JustinXenyx#8854: the Vega 56 is much better value for around 230-250 GBP |
Sol Invictuvs#0301: ok thankss for the advice
thatubuntuguy#5914: is the rtx 2070 a good buy
thatubuntuguy#5914: asking for a friend
thatubuntuguy#5914: he wants to spend £1500 on a pc
thatubuntuguy#5914: monitor included
thatubuntuguy#5914: he's looking more higher resolution versus higher frame rate
TheGeekster#8508: *eh* kinda, if he's after new and won't take used
TheFifthAce#4128: 5700 xt is same price
TheFifthAce#4128: for more perf
Saturnity#8647: Random question but I couldn't find the answer online:
What tends to happen when you mix differently timed ram? I forgot timing existed and had two different timed sticks in my computer, didn't do anything though, never had a problem for over a year
SuSSudio#2688: I think it would be related to latency, different timings means different time accessing & storing data on the RAM @Saturnity
SuSSudio#2688: But since RAM works really fast already, the difference is negligible... if i am correct
Saturnity#8647: Yeah okay thought so |
SuSSudio#2688: If the timing gap between both RAM is too wide, you may notice slight performance inconsistency
update : Even blue screens
Saturnity#8647: Ah okay
JustinXenyx#8854: The "smarter" mobos should adjust to the slower timing though to balance that like they do with clock speeds
Deleted User#0000: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/618056846246150197/JPEG_20190902_131406.jpg
SussyBalls#4615: somewhat weekly question of me asking whether or not this is a nuke
according to their own site it hits 84.7 efficiency at 100% load https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/618155176808939534/unknown.png
SussyBalls#4615: https://www.inter-tech.de/en/products/psu/atx/aps-420
JustinXenyx#8854: Yikes
JustinXenyx#8854: That's a pretty hefty nuke
SussyBalls#4615: what are the criteria for a good psu?
TheGeekster#8508: Generally the more mainstream the brand, the more money you put into it, the longer it'll last
JustinXenyx#8854: ^That's basically it
Lady Mipha#0611: ^ |
JustinXenyx#8854: If it looks suspicious and you've never heard of the brand, 99% of the time it's a shit psu
Alcyone#2233: 80+ bronze or better, sleeved cables, and from a recognizable, established brand are my basic criteria. If it's going in a performance machine I do more in depth research.
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Anyone know where I can get a pcie thing with sata on the inside of it for less than 10 bucks
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I only need two more sata ports since my gpu covers them
SussyBalls#4615: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-express-to-SATA-3-0-2-port-expansion-card-PCI-e-SATA-3-III-SATA-3-0-adaBLCA/183929831877?hash=item2ad31281c5:g:-AcAAOSwghlc33sq
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Thanks
TheFifthAce#4128: @SussyBalls just ask me
TheFifthAce#4128: :ZZZ:
TheFifthAce#4128: I can help with psus and ssds
TheFifthAce#4128: :dAB:
TheFifthAce#4128: and am4 boards
SussyBalls#4615: sounds epic
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Need help need a gpu £400 limit something with 8gb but any lower with great performance will do
TheGeekster#8508: 1070's are pretty good, what framerate & resolution are you aiming for?
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 1080p some times 2 k and 4k on older games and 60 fps |
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 60 on all
TheGeekster#8508: what monitor do you have? is it a 4k 60hz?
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 4k 60hz tv
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Samsung
TheGeekster#8508: Well, if you want to spend the £400, try and get a used 1080ti, if you want more bang for your buck, maybe a 1080, 1070, 2060 🤔 but that's only because i know nvidia performances
TheFifthAce#4128: :uwu: get a 5700
TheFifthAce#4128: used 1080 is also a good alternative
TheFifthAce#4128: I wouldnt go 1070 at that budget
Sol Invictuvs#0301: I was thinking of a vega 64 but a used 1080 could be good
TheFifthAce#4128: 2060 is okay if you want RTX stuff
TheFifthAce#4128: vega is large :ZZZ:
Sol Invictuvs#0301: I got space also I'm runing a a10 9700 cpu could that bottle neck it in any way
TheFifthAce#4128: definitely
TheFifthAce#4128: that is a horrible CPU to pair with anything above a GT 1030
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Could it worked it I over clocked it |
TheFifthAce#4128: no
TheFifthAce#4128: it would be an awful bottleneck
TheFifthAce#4128: you could maybe get away with an rx 570
TheGeekster#8508: ah.... yeah you aren't gonna get 4k 60fps with many games with that cpu unfortunately
TheFifthAce#4128: you'd be lucky to hit 1080p60
TheFifthAce#4128: not to mention the frametimes on a cpu like that are fucking awful
TheFifthAce#4128: I love ryzen but seriously fuck AMD for the entire piledriver lineup
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Woud a first gen ryzen 5 be anygood
TheFifthAce#4128: r5 1600 or 1400
TheFifthAce#4128: r5 1600 would be fine tbh
Sol Invictuvs#0301: How much woud one of this be second is ok
TheFifthAce#4128: I'd pay like 60-70ish for an r5 1600
TheFifthAce#4128: maybe a bit more depending on the market
TheGeekster#8508: R5 1600, along with motherboard & ram, and a decent gpu is probably gonna be around £400
TheGeekster#8508: won't do 4k, but 1080p will be good |
TheFifthAce#4128: he already has board and ram dalia
TheFifthAce#4128: that a10 is an am4 chip
TheFifthAce#4128: all he would need is the cpu
TheGeekster#8508: ohhhh right 🤔 fair enough, i keep getting mixed up with those things
TheFifthAce#4128: yes
TheFifthAce#4128: because why keep a consistent naming scheme
TheFifthAce#4128: and why not bring excavator, a fucking 8 year old architecture, onto am4
TheFifthAce#4128: rename it what you want, bristol ridge is still excavator
TheGeekster#8508: yeeeep, *why*
Sol Invictuvs#0301: My gpu is a 1060 3gb
TheFifthAce#4128: go for a cpu upgrade to an r5 1600/2600
TheGeekster#8508: Yeah, go CPu upgrade first as abstract says, then see about gpu later on
Sol Invictuvs#0301: OK sounds good
Sol Invictuvs#0301: So I'm thinking a ryzen 5 1600 and vega 64 or a 170
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 1070 |
TheFifthAce#4128: vega is snooze but if you have good psu might as well
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 500 watt
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Good brand
Sol Invictuvs#0301: 80 bronze
MythologicalZ#3752: Not enough for Vega
MythologicalZ#3752: They're power hungry as shit and theres no reason to get one if you leave it stock
Alcyone#2233: I would just avoid vega now that nvidia has freesync. Either get an aib navi card or a 1070ti+ used pascal.
MythologicalZ#3752: ^
MythologicalZ#3752: Vega is fun to tune but it's just meh rn
Jam#0384: 1080s are great value used
Jam#0384: $350 maximum is what I would pay USD
Jam#0384: $300 is easy enough to find. A little less if you’re lucky
SussyBalls#4615: guy says it's a gtx 660, but there's no dp and it has a red pcb https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/618725865962078228/unknown.png
SussyBalls#4615: anyone know of such a model? can't find one myself, it may as well not be one as the guy says it can't install drivers
MythologicalZ#3752: Looks OEM |
MythologicalZ#3752: Probably fucked in some other way too if it can't install drivers for Kepler
MythologicalZ#3752: Then again it might be Fermi if he's trying anything newer than 391.35
Lady Mipha#0611: ^
Sol Invictuvs#0301: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/618781055301976064/IMG_20190904_131436.jpg
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Waht dose this mean
TheGeekster#8508: Means it dun broke
TheGeekster#8508: What OS is it? Windows?
TheGeekster#8508: https://appuals.com/how-to-fix-blinitializelibrary-failed-0xc00000bb-error-on-windows/
TheGeekster#8508: Follow them, should be alright @Sol Invictuvs
Sol Invictuvs#0301: Thank you
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: any recommendations on a motherboard for 3700x
MythologicalZ#3752: Any X570 from Gigabyte is a good choice
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: i was considiring the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon
MythologicalZ#3752: Pretty solid board too, would just need a BIOS update
MythologicalZ#3752: Since Zen 2 |
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: il give both a look
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: ideally id like one with a display port
MythologicalZ#3752: Uhh,why?
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: just gotten used to it i guess lol
MythologicalZ#3752: Bit confused
MythologicalZ#3752: Do you mean your board or your GPU?
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: i wrote that in the wrong chat lol
TYPEDMEDAL125#9350: sorry
MythologicalZ#3752: Because afaik all 2080tis have DP
MythologicalZ#3752: Ah
TheFifthAce#4128: @TYPEDMEDAL125 @MythologicalZ avoid msi b450
TheFifthAce#4128: for updating to zen 2
TheFifthAce#4128: s o m a n y bricked boards
TheFifthAce#4128: Gigabyte x570 Gaming X is a solid board
MythologicalZ#3752: Id still risk B450 from MSI tbh |
Deleted User#0000: A pc i have turns on and hits the bios but wont boot into windows?
Deleted User#0000: Any ideas?
JustinXenyx#8854: instable OC, windows is fucked, boot config is configured wrong
Deleted User#0000: it acts like its going to boot into windows but it just shuts it self off while windows is booting @JustinXenyx
JustinXenyx#8854: instable OC or fucked windows it is lol
Deleted User#0000: ik it isnt windows and i dont think the system can even oc
SussyBalls#4615: how far does it get into windows?
SussyBalls#4615: or does it not even get to it at all?
Deleted User#0000: the first boot screen
Deleted User#0000: with the blue windows logo
Deleted User#0000: @SussyBalls
SussyBalls#4615: fucked windows it seems
SussyBalls#4615: if you want to recover anything from it, hook another bootdrive up and save what you can
Deleted User#0000: it was a blank install of win anywahs
Deleted User#0000: ill just try a different drive |
Deleted User#0000: it does it with the win disc install aswell
Deleted User#0000: Tried a different drive and still no sucess
Deleted User#0000: @SussyBalls
SussyBalls#4615: get a different windows installer?
Deleted User#0000: think its the mobo
Deleted User#0000: acting up
BigPierogi#3368: @Deleted User try booting off a usb
BigPierogi#3368: Like a Linux usb
BigPierogi#3368: Or disk
SussyBalls#4615: resetting windows on a pc, it's been stuck at 33% for a good hour or so
SussyBalls#4615: anyone know why?
TheGeekster#8508: could be a wide variety of reasons, i'd honestly let it finish, if it's still stuck tomorrow, try and force reboot, or reinstall windows
SussyBalls#4615: I just offed it since the non pwm fan is quite annoying
SussyBalls#4615: it's a full reinstall anyways so if windows corrupts I'll just find my flashdrive
Tristan#7299: Any NVME savvy guys around |
TheGeekster#8508: Kinda, what's up?
MythologicalZ#3752: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619119219774062598/LBFkAp5l.jpeg
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I'm gonna save this image
MythologicalZ#3752: There's a Sata one too https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619119934609424384/2ya0Pt1l_1.jpeg
BigPierogi#3368: i use the reactor ssd
BigPierogi#3368: for 2-3 years
Tristan#7299: sorry guys i was asleep im stuck between 2 drives https://www.microcenter.com/product/600420/512gb-ssd-3d-nand-m2-2280-pcie-nvme-30-x4-internal-solid-state-drive and https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Storage/M-2-SSDs/Force-Series-MP510/p/CSSD-F960GBMP510
MythologicalZ#3752: The inland drive has the same controller as the mp300 which is garbage
JustinXenyx#8854: @MythologicalZ What's so bad about the Kingston A1000?
JustinXenyx#8854: Shit controller or something?
MythologicalZ#3752: Dunno
MythologicalZ#3752: Probably something like that given Kingston meme
JustinXenyx#8854: It uses a Phison E8, which doesn't sound that bad
JustinXenyx#8854: But given Phisons history it may be dogshit
MythologicalZ#3752: Anyway |
MythologicalZ#3752: Apparently the mp510 isn't too bad as a drive
Tristan#7299: thats what im seeing and tbh money is the biggest issue
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh, i think i get why they're in the lowest category, they're all PCIe X2 NVMe drives i think @MythologicalZ
Tristan#7299: i think im gunna get the inland even if it dies within 3 yrs that gives me time to save more
JustinXenyx#8854: the MP510 is way faster though @Tristan
Tristan#7299: the other issue like i said is the $$$ factor ive been trying to save for this but like i got bills and everything else
Tristan#7299: i got to get ready for work talk later
SussyBalls#4615: Where does the SSDNOW V300 fall in this?
SussyBalls#4615: Controller is a SandForce SF-2281
SussyBalls#4615: Also used in the Intel SSD 520
TheFifthAce#4128: @MythologicalZ a1000 is good
TheFifthAce#4128: @JustinXenyx phison s11 is the only one with such massive all around failure
TheFifthAce#4128: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0
TheFifthAce#4128: has controller, dram, nand type, etc
TheFifthAce#4128: a *ton* of shit uses the SMI SM2258 |
TheFifthAce#4128: mx500, su800, x3 sunbow, mushkin source, etc
HotShot#8006: Does anyone have any experience using PCI express SATA controllers in a normal PC?
Deleted User#0000: is it enough to launch deep learning software with those pc specs?
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2080 S
Samsung DDR4-21300 64GB (16*4)
Samsung PM981 M.2 2280 NVMe 1TB
WD Purple 3TB
Deleted User#0000: im on two 16gig stick on my pc but considering to install more ram for better experience that other people says
Tsukimura#0354: question; are there any system specs checker software for PC that's still useable?
MythologicalZ#3752: Dxdiag
MythologicalZ#3752: It's in Windows and isn't full of shit like Speccy
SussyBalls#4615: hwinfo64
wapted#6788: @Deleted User Pretty solid for some tensorflow stuff if thats what you want to do 😛 |
wapted#6788: use similar specs but with a a titan Xp and found it performed pretty well so
Tsukimura#0354: INTEL Core i5-7500 4-Core 3.4GHz (3.8GHz) can be paired with? Also which motherboard would be compatible
JustinXenyx#8854: Anything from Intels 100 or 200 series chipsets is 100% compatible @Tsukimura
JustinXenyx#8854: As for graphics cards, an RX470/80 or RX570/80 would be the best pairing
Tsukimura#0354: @JustinXenyx Thanks! Now I can actually start planning things >~<'
Tsukimura#0354: @JustinXenyx Just to be sure; We're talking about AMD ones?
JustinXenyx#8854: Yes, that's why i said "RX"
JustinXenyx#8854: Also keep in mind when searching for a motherboard, you don't need a Z-series chipset because your processor is not overclockable
JustinXenyx#8854: Motherboards with 100 series chipsets may need a bios update to work with that processor, but if you buy a used motherboard that usually isn't an issue as the seller either updated the bios already or will update it if you ask him
Tsukimura#0354: eh, yeah used market here in my country is ran by pretty much less techy responsible type of sellers o,e ' I'd rather buy a brand new even if it means spending bit on the off side
JustinXenyx#8854: I wouldn't really buy new with that processor to be honest
JustinXenyx#8854: Not worth investing that kind of money because it's technically a dead platform
TheFifthAce#4128: zzz 1151
My Vice#8522: hi
My Vice#8522: um..i just wanted to confirm if i really got a gpu chip problem or its just dust or driver issues |
1 - its a almost 3 years old 1070 which did some solid colors on screen and stopped the system then after one unplug and plug it came back until the next day, it did the solid color thing then next restart
the res. was wrong and it displayed black and white, Windows said it was with a problem and "stopped" it
is it bga or driver issue?
My Vice#8522: i never turned the pc back on.
TheGeekster#8508: You can try and update the drivers, but it sounds gpu related, no chance of a space gpu to try?
My Vice#8522: no
My Vice#8522: i only have that one
My Vice#8522: and also, as another detail
My Vice#8522: that system had a SSD that was used in another whole system and then used a RX 580 one time
My Vice#8522: i didn't DDU it
My Vice#8522: since it was running flawlessly
TheGeekster#8508: Yeah that wouldn't be an issue tbh with windows 10 now, I'd try and update your drivers, see if it does it again, if it does, then it might be worth buying a very cheap £5 gpu off ebay, plugging it in, and seeing if the rest of the system is stable
TheGeekster#8508: unless you've got integrated graphics depending on your cpu? |
My Vice#8522: 2600K
My Vice#8522: it has
but im not sure if my father would allow me to unplug the gpu to try that
My Vice#8522: he's not in the patience to clean the gpu too so i can't do anything other than selling my laptop to buy another 70 or 80 nvidia 10 series
My Vice#8522: and no thermal paste to put after
My Vice#8522: sadly, no one buys it so i'll try to atleast see if the gpu really died
TheGeekster#8508: You don't need to replace any thermal paste to take the gpu out, you simply take the pcie card out of the computer, plug the monitor into the onboard display output of the motherboard, and press the power button
TheGeekster#8508: @My Vice Maybe show your dad videos on youtube on how to take out a gpu from a computer, let him understand
Impish#5173: Hey so is there a way I could lower my data usage
Impish#5173: I've got everything turned accept Android OS which I can't turn off from useing data and it's useing the most
Impish#5173: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619603127561355278/Screenshot_20190906-203825.png
TheGeekster#8508: That looks like a runaway app, the quickest way to fix it, would be to reset the phone to factory and see if that fixes it, backup files and stuff, then full factory reset
Impish#5173: Alright thanks
Impish#5173: So is it more of a phone issue then the sim card issue ?
TheGeekster#8508: Yeah it's not sim card related, it's the phone downloading the data |
My Vice#8522: @TheGeekster im saying..cleaning from the inside...
My Vice#8522: he knows hardware more than me
My Vice#8522: hes just not patient
My Vice#8522: its been like 6 months that pc "died"
TheGeekster#8508: ah okay, and tbh cleaning down to thermal paste level is not necessary at all on a 3 year old card, 10? sure, but thermal paste generally lasts a long time, just a quick compressed air can would be all the clean out it needs
BigPierogi#3368: In that 6 months he could've fixed it
BigPierogi#3368: If he let you
My Vice#8522: im not that confident that i would clean correctly
My Vice#8522: but yeah..i asked him to fix but he stayed quiet
BigPierogi#3368: I literally just took a air compressed r and went shsdhhsdhdhsdhsdhssh
BigPierogi#3368: And it cleaned
My Vice#8522: he says that compressed air would kill certain components took by the dust
BigPierogi#3368: Lmao
My Vice#8522: killing the hardware
BigPierogi#3368: No it wont |
BigPierogi#3368: Are you sure he knows more than you
My Vice#8522: idk, he said something like that
BigPierogi#3368: Well he's wrong
My Vice#8522: sad
everytime i talk about this with him he just gets angry
My Vice#8522: lol
BigPierogi#3368: I've cleaned my gpu with compressed air and no static strap
BigPierogi#3368: And it worked
My Vice#8522: dust in a high level or weekly cleaning?
My Vice#8522: my father rarely cleans that pc
BigPierogi#3368: High level
My Vice#8522: oh
TheGeekster#8508: If you clean your pc every week, you're more likely to fuck something up lol
BigPierogi#3368: I don't know anybody who weekly cleans
JustinXenyx#8854: I've never seen dust kill computer components on its own and i fix computers from other people almost every 2 days lol |
JustinXenyx#8854: Dust is only a side effect of why something might die
My Vice#8522: corrosion?
JustinXenyx#8854: How the ever living fuck would DUST cause corrosion lmao
TheGeekster#8508: corrosion only happens with liquid damage, corrosion means something corrosive, like water, got onto it
My Vice#8522: that pc got wet in a flood
My Vice#8522: but not with the actual pieces
TheGeekster#8508: ah... yeah that might be why it died 😂
My Vice#8522: it was another mobo
TheGeekster#8508: eh... any large amount of liquid introduces humidity into the air
TheGeekster#8508: at work we had a projector above a swimming pool, lasted 2 years, took it down, it basically fell apart in a pile of rust
TheGeekster#8508: never physically touched water
JustinXenyx#8854: Was it turned on after the LD?
JustinXenyx#8854: If so maybe not just the mobo is affected
My Vice#8522: that pc used to be on floor
but now its on a table |
maybe it was when they drilled the wall and some fuckton of dust felt
My Vice#8522: oh
My Vice#8522: (what is ld sorry)
JustinXenyx#8854: Liquid Damage
My Vice#8522: obviously it survived
My Vice#8522: but it was another mobo
My Vice#8522: not the actual one i used
My Vice#8522: the 4 things that is still from the flood
that didnt took the whole pc tower
the processor
the 4 ram sticks
the tower itself
and the psu
My Vice#8522: only the tower and a very small part of the previous mobo were "damaged" |
My Vice#8522: and that happened in 2015
it didnt even had the 1070
TheGeekster#8508: eh unrelated to it then
TheGeekster#8508: still, no point trying to think about repairing something you aren't allowed to
BigPierogi#3368: did you guys let it dry properly
BigPierogi#3368: and maybe used compressed air
BigPierogi#3368: to get out some water
My Vice#8522: he cleaned properly when it happened
My Vice#8522: i wasnt there
My Vice#8522: i didnt even knew that pc existed
i was just a kid
Impish#5173: Hey so all of my data is from the background usage I realized
Impish#5173: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619616890725072906/Screenshot_20190906-213322.png
Impish#5173: But I can't disable it which annoys me is there anyway to disable it somehow ?
Impish#5173: (my phone Huawei p9 lite) |
Impish#5173: Will netguard work ?
Impish#5173: Alright downloaded some app and it should now disable it from. Useing background data
TheFifthAce#4128: its huawei
TheFifthAce#4128: china is stealing data
TheFifthAce#4128: :uwu:
hare_ware#4880: Would it be better to buy two cheap SATA SSDs and run them in RAID0, or one more expensive SATA SSD?
BigPierogi#3368: cheap ones wont last as long
BigPierogi#3368: and more expensive ones tend to be faster than cheaper ones
BigPierogi#3368: by a bit
BigPierogi#3368: depedning on which
hare_ware#4880: Do they last longer than HDDs?
BigPierogi#3368: depends
BigPierogi#3368: what are you gonna be using it for
TheFifthAce#4128: raid is shit
SuSSudio#2688: Depends on model, SSD has classes too |
hare_ware#4880: > what are you gonna be using it for
Just as a boot and storage drive on my computer, I do game development.
BigPierogi#3368: if your not gonna be writing to it a shit ton
hare_ware#4880: > Depends on model
Like a bargain bin $22 A420 or something
BigPierogi#3368: like a shit ton
BigPierogi#3368: you should be fine
hare_ware#4880: And would'nt RAID0 double the life on an SSD since each one is being written to half as much as it would otherwise?
SuSSudio#2688: Isn't RAID 0 non fault tolerant?
hare_ware#4880: Yeah, but I don't particularly care
SuSSudio#2688: Your data will be striped into each drives, in case one of your SSD fails, you might no longer have access to it anymore
hare_ware#4880: But, I have syncthing running nonstop copying everything to all my other computers.
hare_ware#4880: So if my house burns down and I run out with my laptop, we're good as I can get afaik
TheGeekster#8508: Go with a single drive, it saves on complications, issues, errors, faults, etc etc, get a decent Samsung 860 evo/pro, or above, don't bother with saving a few pennies here and there, the more you put in now, the less frustration you have later down the line, trust me @hare_ware
TheGeekster#8508: prices have crashed so much for ssd's the bargain ones cut too many corners |
hare_ware#4880: I'm not saving pennies, I never had any pennies to spend in the first place... But I do agree, I'd rather shell out and buy something really robust for storage, but my hard drive is unbearable slow right now, and it could be anywhere between a 6 month and 5 years before I'm really able to make enough money to actually save money.
TheGeekster#8508: Ah fair enough,
TheGeekster#8508: SSD's prices are always coming down, hopefully they'll continue to get bigger for cheaper
Deleted User#0000: is the NVMe heatsink really necessary for SSD Health and throttling?
Deleted User#0000: didnt noticed any problem on my pm981 ssd using for os drive, but still pretty nervous bout it
Impish#5173: When I factory reset my phone can I keep my simcard in it while it's resetting ?
Impish#5173: Tysm @TheGeekster now Android doesn't use that much data and everything is back to normal.once again thank you
TheGeekster#8508: @Deleted User it's not, 100% necessary, just ensure you've got airflow trough the case, nvme drives depending on what ones, can get warm, but if it gets too warm it'll just slow down a little, probably unoticeable
Impish#5173: It still uses data but way less
Impish#5173: 👌
thatubuntuguy#5914: Hey guys, I need a little bit of help from someone knowledgeable about MIPI LCDs.
thatubuntuguy#5914: If anyone remembers, a few months ago I was planning a big project to build a 7" laptop with a mechanical keyboard
thatubuntuguy#5914: I went on holiday so the plans were severely delayed..
thatubuntuguy#5914: I'm back though and I'm looking to start my project.
thatubuntuguy#5914: The issue is arising from exorbitant markups on the LCD. I have located a 1920x1200 7 inch MIPI LCD however the driver board for it is ridiculously expensive (fourty pounds wtf) |
thatubuntuguy#5914: the lcd itself is £16
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i went and found a different lcd which is a 5.5 inch 2560x1440 mipi lcd
TheGeekster#8508: I feel like the resolution you're going for is *way* to high
thatubuntuguy#5914: it has a much cheaper driver board which is only around £24
thatubuntuguy#5914: i dont want the 5.5 inch
thatubuntuguy#5914: i want the 7 inch
thatubuntuguy#5914: but with the 5.5 inch driver board because its cheaper
thatubuntuguy#5914: and its smaller
thatubuntuguy#5914: the board
TheGeekster#8508: That most likely won't work
thatubuntuguy#5914: the driver board that was shown in the listing for the 1920x1200 7 inch is to my knowledge a really common one but that's the 60hz model
thatubuntuguy#5914: ive seen it all over the place
thatubuntuguy#5914: for different size lcds
thatubuntuguy#5914: and different resolutions
thatubuntuguy#5914: but im just wondering if this cheaper 50hz model will work with the 7 inch and i can save some cash |
thatubuntuguy#5914: heres the 5.5 inch 60hz
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619832266448961546/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: and the 7 inch 60hz
TheGeekster#8508: Driver boards can be quite generic, then flashed with particular firmware that'll work with particular screens, but there could be different revisions between them, which seller sells what, etc, 1920x1200 is surely too high for a 7 inch screen anyway? like, you won't be able to notice shit, especially if you're going to put a mechanical keyboard infront of it
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619832381439868938/unknown.png
TheGeekster#8508: Same board, different firmware and connector board from the look of it then
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmmm
thatubuntuguy#5914: phones have even higher resolution screens
thatubuntuguy#5914: how come 1920x1200 is too much
TheGeekster#8508: Yeah but phones are designed for you to hold, and touch, up close, laptops aren't designed for that, they're designed to use at a distance from yourself, as you have a giant keyboard & mouse infront of you
TheGeekster#8508: phones, about 1-2ft from eye, laptops, about 3-5ft from eye
thatubuntuguy#5914: good point
thatubuntuguy#5914: however,
thatubuntuguy#5914: a 1280x720 screen is about the same price
thatubuntuguy#5914: as this 1920x1200 |
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i was like might as well go for the higher resolution
thatubuntuguy#5914: also higher res means more screen real estate
thatubuntuguy#5914: it's going to run full windows
TheGeekster#8508: It's not a standard resolution which could cause issues, and the higher the res, the more hardware you need to power it, what gpu are you planning for it? 7inch is netbook territory, have you ever tried to use one? it's pretty fuckin painful
TheGeekster#8508: 7" is not enough for full windows 😂 it'll be awful to use, everything will be so tiny you won't be able to see it
thatubuntuguy#5914: well its a celeron n3350
thatubuntuguy#5914: so it has some built in 14nm hd graphics
thatubuntuguy#5914: its good enough for 1080p
thatubuntuguy#5914: it blows the shit z8350 chinese clones out of the water
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster gpd pocket
thatubuntuguy#5914: i mean the screen size is 7" but the actual thing will be slightly bigger than that
TheGeekster#8508: the GPD pocket is designed to be moved around easily, it has a thin keyboard, and is essentially a tablet in size, but it's also incredibly niche and let's be honest, people buy them, then don't use them as it's awful to use day to day 😂
thatubuntuguy#5914: but this is for me to use
TheGeekster#8508: aye, but... do you *really* want to use something so tiny all day every day? 🤔 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619833901585530883/gpd-pocket-7.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: it aint going to replace my pc |
thatubuntuguy#5914: its something i can easily carry around all day and runs full windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: it was originally going to be a raspberry pi based project
thatubuntuguy#5914: before i found those compute stick clones on aliexpress
JustinXenyx#8854: You really want to fuck your eyes that badly, huh? 1440P Windows on a 5.5" screen is basically murder for your eyes
TheGeekster#8508: ahhhhhh okay, be a lot easier to use a kit with a laptop chassis & fitting screen, then replace the raspberry pi with intel based similar
thatubuntuguy#5914: @JustinXenyx its 7 inch and 1920x1200
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster no no i mean its still similar dimensions to the gpd pocket
thatubuntuguy#5914: definitely a little thicker because im putting a huge battery inside it
thatubuntuguy#5914: but its about the same size as the pocket
TheGeekster#8508: *that scares me*
thatubuntuguy#5914: i mean the screen on the gpd pocket looks fine to me
thatubuntuguy#5914: and one more detail i forgot to mention
thatubuntuguy#5914: its going to be capacitive touch screen
thatubuntuguy#5914: i sourced a common 7 inch overlay
TheGeekster#8508: well back to the original question anyway, find a matched screen & driver board, avoid mix & matching, you're more than likely to run into compatibility issues |
thatubuntuguy#5914: can i ask the seller to try the two together and see if it works
thatubuntuguy#5914: i mean its only about £15 difference so not a huge loss
thatubuntuguy#5914: they've increased the price btw
thatubuntuguy#5914: it used to be £50 for lcd +driver board
thatubuntuguy#5914: now its £65
thatubuntuguy#5914: the lcd itself is LT070ME05000
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster not doubting u but how do u know that mipi boards have different firmware for different lcds
thatubuntuguy#5914: and why do different lcds need different firmware
JustinXenyx#8854: There are all kinds of MIPI Displays, that's why
TheGeekster#8508: I've messed around with LCD driver boards before, looked into it for various projects, and i noticed too that different screens have the same driver board, looked into it, and the driver boards are produced generic, so that it keeps the cost down, you can bulk buy the *same* board, then program it for your specific screen
TheGeekster#8508: cheap monitors don't custom design their driver boards for cheap screens, they just use generic ones
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmmm
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay
TheGeekster#8508: in the end for my projects, it always came out better to just buy a lcd and driver board kit 😂
thatubuntuguy#5914: why does it need to be programmed for specific screen |
thatubuntuguy#5914: surely its the same if its mipi
thatubuntuguy#5914: or does it not work like that
TheGeekster#8508: LCD's are dumb devices, they only do exactly what they are told, there's a lot more to displaying something than just commands, mipi is like USB, it's the protocol, not what data is delivered down it
thatubuntuguy#5914: ooohhhh okay
thatubuntuguy#5914: that makes more sense now
thatubuntuguy#5914: so different boards need different instructions which is why they need their boards to be specially programmed
thatubuntuguy#5914: and im assuming there's no easy way to reprogram these boards
thatubuntuguy#5914: well the programming equipment would probably cost more than the difference anyway now that i think about it
TheGeekster#8508: not unless you're a firmware expert with shit tons of equipment lol, it's programmed once, then shipped out
thatubuntuguy#5914: well rip
thatubuntuguy#5914: better bite the bullet then
TheGeekster#8508: have you had a look for premade kits?
thatubuntuguy#5914: wdym
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/products/hdmi-8-inch-lcd-screen-kit-800-600?ref=isp_rel_prd&isp_ref_pos=3&variant=696831967249
thatubuntuguy#5914: 800x600 -_- |
TheGeekster#8508: a prematched kit of screen, driver board, buttons etc, all ready to go and matched up
thatubuntuguy#5914: thats not enough for windows
TheGeekster#8508: that's an example, but also it's only 8" dude, even that will look alright lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeah but the programs wont fit on the screen
thatubuntuguy#5914: and the aspect ratio is not what im looking for too
thatubuntuguy#5914: its too tall
thatubuntuguy#5914: i get what u mean tho
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-screens/products/hdmi-10-1-1280x800-touch-screen-and-case
thatubuntuguy#5914: £100
thatubuntuguy#5914: too big
JustinXenyx#8854: That 10.1" screen with that res should be pretty alright for windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: look the 7" screen has its own driver board in the listing
thatubuntuguy#5914: i guess i forgot to tell ut hat
TheGeekster#8508: ah, go for it then
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619838583939006464/unknown.png |
thatubuntuguy#5914: the £100 is if i want capacitive touch as well
thatubuntuguy#5914: should i just get the entire kit
thatubuntuguy#5914: capacitive overlay with usb driver board https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619838811937177610/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: this lcd appears to be from an acer tablet
thatubuntuguy#5914: is it possible to cut the white bits off the left and right edges
JustinXenyx#8854: It could be from any generic tablet, doesn't have to be an acer tablet
thatubuntuguy#5914: capacitive overlay reverse view https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619839069471637533/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: nah you can't cut that off
TheGeekster#8508: not really, you can't cut glass, that'll crack and fuck it up
JustinXenyx#8854: Probably isn't glass, but it's part of the touch screen, so he couldn't cut it off either way @TheGeekster
thatubuntuguy#5914: if u look at the black bit on the left hand side
TheGeekster#8508: could do a 3d printed case *around* it, but eh, adds to bulk
thatubuntuguy#5914: and whats that on the right
thatubuntuguy#5914: is that like some 3m tape or smth
TheGeekster#8508: yeah, for sticking it to shit, but you can't realistically smoothly and safely cut that stuff at all |
thatubuntuguy#5914: actually your 3d print idea is not bad at all
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/products/7-inch-capacitive-touch-panel-overlay-for-lattepanda-display
thatubuntuguy#5914: that doesn't have a driver board that i can find
TheGeekster#8508: that's the "bare" touch panel, highlights what the actual touch screen part
thatubuntuguy#5914: i wonder how many pins it has
thatubuntuguy#5914: also its on preorder
JustinXenyx#8854: Also, what about the Atomic Pi? @thatubuntuguy
JustinXenyx#8854: That seens to be a cheap SBC you can use
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/collections/adafruit-lcds-displays/products/adafruit-hdmi-4-pi-7-display-w-touchscreen-1024x600-hdmi-vga-ntsc-pal?variant=27739880849
TheGeekster#8508: touch, screen, driver, everything in one lol
JustinXenyx#8854: res is to low for windows @TheGeekster
thatubuntuguy#5914: ok look i appreciate this but like i need capacitive touch and the res is too low
JustinXenyx#8854: Windows will have definite issues with that res lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: @JustinXenyx that has the shit x5-z8350 which my n3350 beats easily
TheGeekster#8508: pfft, dunno what you mean 😩 we have people at work who try and use our remote desktop service through their phones! they don't suffer and complain incessantly and then don't like it when i tell them windows is designed for a big screen lol |
thatubuntuguy#5914: the single core is shameful on the z8350
JustinXenyx#8854: N3350?
thatubuntuguy#5914: yup
JustinXenyx#8854: They put that on Compute Stick clones now?
thatubuntuguy#5914: theres only one clone
thatubuntuguy#5914: £77
JustinXenyx#8854: Link pls lol
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-ntsc-pal-television-tft-display-1-5-diagonal?ref=isp_rel_prd&isp_ref_pos=1 Fuck you guys, I'm gonna go play playstation on my new TV
thatubuntuguy#5914: lmfao
thatubuntuguy#5914: :haha:
thatubuntuguy#5914: that's so funny
JustinXenyx#8854: I bet you could build some cool display glasses with that lmao @TheGeekster
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32963596864.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.fb1e3c00tAXDN6&mp=1
thatubuntuguy#5914: here's the clone in question
thatubuntuguy#5914: i've done a LOT of research on this clone and its quite odd |
thatubuntuguy#5914: the cooler is bizarre and its really bad
thatubuntuguy#5914: and the bios is more expansive than my z77 board
thatubuntuguy#5914: it has 2gb ram and 32 gb emmc
thatubuntuguy#5914: four micron 512mb chips which i tracked down the 1gb variants of
TheGeekster#8508: *i can foresee a problem with running windows beyond screen size*
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know what you're thinking
thatubuntuguy#5914: it'll run a lightened version of 8.1
thatubuntuguy#5914: tested by me in a vm to only take 350mb ram idle
thatubuntuguy#5914: credit to deinsti for that one
TheGeekster#8508: ahhh windows embedded... the least compatible version of windows, but the lightest, fair enough
thatubuntuguy#5914: no its not embedded
thatubuntuguy#5914: its full windows 8.1
thatubuntuguy#5914: just lightened to hell and back
JustinXenyx#8854: I mean, it's a N3350 so it's expected that it'll run hot if put into a compute-stick sized case lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: no but the cooler is DREADFUL |
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster its full 8.1 not embedded
thatubuntuguy#5914: let me find the article where they did the teardown
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/08/15/ecdream-a9-apollo-lake-hdmi-tv-stick-review-with-windows-10-and-ubuntu-17-04/
TheGeekster#8508: i know the one you mean, messed around with the lighter weight versions of windows before once upon a time, in the hopes of creating thin clients, it worked, but licensing is a bitch (legit at work)
TheGeekster#8508: the image in my head i have so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619841821488447500/s-l1600.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: lmfao
JustinXenyx#8854: lmao
thatubuntuguy#5914: nah
thatubuntuguy#5914: those bezels are bigger than my phone
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know that keyboard btw
TheGeekster#8508: mhmm, you aren't gonna be able to build a smooth proffesional oem looking laptop lol, you're gonna have bezels
thatubuntuguy#5914: here's the inside of the clone https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619842056973713448/Intel-Apollo-Lake-TV-Stick.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster ik its going to have some bezel but ideally it wont be more than what's on the capacitive overlay
thatubuntuguy#5914: but nowhere near that much lol
TheGeekster#8508: oh FML, have you looked at the EMMC speeds? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619842157259390976/ECDREAM-A9-CrystalDiskMark.png |
JustinXenyx#8854: You're gonna have a pretty THICK "laptop" then
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know
thatubuntuguy#5914: like i said, the cooler is dreadful
thatubuntuguy#5914: ill be binning it and replacing it with a ceramic heatsink rated for ~10w which is a lot thinner
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster its a prototype it doesn't matter if the emmc is about the same speed as a hdd.. also its 8.1 and ive used 8.1 on a 70mb/s hdd which was still usable
TheGeekster#8508: honestly hard drive is faster than that lol
TheGeekster#8508: eh it'll be an interesting experiment
thatubuntuguy#5914: to reduce the thickness of the bottom half i was thinking to place a 5000mah battery behind the screen
thatubuntuguy#5914: from a power bank
TheGeekster#8508: careful taking a usb battery bank apart, when you start messing with lithium ions, that be when shit go boom
thatubuntuguy#5914: oh and another detail - the clone has an sd card slot which i will be populating with a 64gb sd card
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster yup
thatubuntuguy#5914: the only reason im tearing down a power bank is because i can't find a single legit looking listing for a separate lithium battery
TheGeekster#8508: have you made sure the battery bank you've looked it can also charge & supply power at the same time? a lot of them EITHER charge OR supply power, they can't do both
thatubuntuguy#5914: um i can show u the listing |
thatubuntuguy#5914: i think it can do both
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000UH46YY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3KL1DOWNSFVGD&psc=1
TheGeekster#8508: that's not 10,000mah
TheGeekster#8508: just an fyi, that's physically too cheap, it's a rip off one
thatubuntuguy#5914: 800 reviews
TheGeekster#8508: aye, doesn't mean shit lol, no one has taken it apart and checked the actual capacity, there's a reason "actual brands" charge about 4/5X that price for a 10,000mah battery pack
thatubuntuguy#5914: how big do you think it really is then
thatubuntuguy#5914: holy shit that link
TheGeekster#8508: https://blog.banggood.com/the-secret-marketing-trick-behind-powerbank-capacity-29982.html
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-PowerCore-10000mAh-Portable-Delivery/dp/B07PYG4JZR/
TheGeekster#8508: Anker are an actual brand, that's more reliably 10kmah
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeah i know its not 5v 10000mah its 3.7v 10000mah in some cases
thatubuntuguy#5914: and they market the 3.7v
TheGeekster#8508: eh cheap chinese brands aren't even that sometimes lol, i've seen teardowns that aren't even that
thatubuntuguy#5914: not taking into account conversion loss |
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeah
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeh i know my dad bought a super cheap 10000mah power bank, i tore it down and it had 3.7v 4000mah cells
thatubuntuguy#5914: :OmegaxD:
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01NBQX0O5
TheGeekster#8508: https://powerbankinsider.com/can-you-charge-a-power-bank-while-using-it/
TheGeekster#8508: "Depends on which one" essentially, which... is less than helpful
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmmm
thatubuntuguy#5914: did u see the one i just sent
thatubuntuguy#5914: its another anker one
TheGeekster#8508: yeah, i think you're gonna have to contact anker, see if any of their products support charging & use at the same time
TheGeekster#8508: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Uninterrupted-Supply-7800mah-Wireless-Router-GM312/dp/B075QZQSS1/ref=asc_df_B075QZQSS1/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309902997323&hvpos=1o6&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16751869405162396444&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045705&hvtargid=pla-561844010122&psc=1
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmmmmm
TheGeekster#8508: this "UPS" would be something that is designed to both provide power, and act as a battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: while the 5v out is nowhere near enough
TheGeekster#8508: how much i trust it? eh not much but yaknow |
JustinXenyx#8854: Isn't it super redundant to charge a power bank while using it?
thatubuntuguy#5914: no because the power bank's insides are going inside the laptop
thatubuntuguy#5914: and it should behave like a traditional battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: hold on a second... @TheGeekster
TheGeekster#8508: unfortunately usb battery banks aren't traditional batteries lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: I'm going to make a custom pcb for my battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: i forgot
thatubuntuguy#5914: because i need the charge status in windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: which requires a coulomb counter
TheGeekster#8508: *oh god* please say you mean buy a standard lithium ion charging pcb?
thatubuntuguy#5914: no no noo
thatubuntuguy#5914: none of them have i2c coulomb counters
thatubuntuguy#5914: its literally three ics
thatubuntuguy#5914: battery management
thatubuntuguy#5914: battery protection |
thatubuntuguy#5914: coulomb counter
TheGeekster#8508: this is getting more and more unfeasible 😂
thatubuntuguy#5914: i actually made a basic schematic
thatubuntuguy#5914: but it didnt have the coulomb counter
thatubuntuguy#5914: and that can allow for passthrough because its my pcb
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd recommend maybe having a switching PCB? Like if you do not need battery power anymore, you can just switch it over and then charge the batteries while also using the PC?
thatubuntuguy#5914: that's the behavior im intending
thatubuntuguy#5914: ill need to look into the datasheets for the boost converters to see how they behave
thatubuntuguy#5914: and the management ic
thatubuntuguy#5914: im not going to hand solder it all myself, ill get the pcbs ordered from china
thatubuntuguy#5914: im not making my own pcb its im designing it and getting it manufactured from china
JustinXenyx#8854: But you'll have to manually solder the components on?
TheGeekster#8508: to order a fully assembled PCB from china, you need to have a minimum quantity, normally in the hundreds at least
JustinXenyx#8854: ^
thatubuntuguy#5914: my friend or i will sodler the components |
thatubuntuguy#5914: i've seen him work
thatubuntuguy#5914: he's fucking good
TheGeekster#8508: i was on board with the project before as it was putting compatible parts together, but as soon as you start custom making pcb's? that is sure for disaster
thatubuntuguy#5914: just wait until u hear the plans for the keyboard then
thatubuntuguy#5914: another custom pcb for the switches with the cpu from an arduino pro micro acting as a hdi device over usb
thatubuntuguy#5914: the firmware is easy because there are loads of online tools for that
TheGeekster#8508: see ironically, THAT is easier
JustinXenyx#8854: lmao
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj0XuYiE7HU
thatubuntuguy#5914: this is where i got the idea
TheGeekster#8508: keyboards are nothing but buttons, and chunky ones at that, a pcb layout for that? eh, fine, complicated and difficult, but doable, mains voltage > charge battery > use at same time > reporting to software, thatttttt is way beyond
thatubuntuguy#5914: im not using a 240v to 5v transformer
TheGeekster#8508: aye, with small 3.7v batteries people have done that before, but you're talking about enough power to run an entire laptop
thatubuntuguy#5914: just buy a 5v 3a power brick
thatubuntuguy#5914: the thing operates on 5v 3 |
thatubuntuguy#5914: *3a
JustinXenyx#8854: I mean, from what i've seen his mini computer and screen all should operate from 5V power
thatubuntuguy#5914: ^
thatubuntuguy#5914: everything operates on 5v
thatubuntuguy#5914: i just input 5v from the brick into the pc
thatubuntuguy#5914: it goes into my pcb and it charges the battery and allocates some power to the pc
thatubuntuguy#5914: 1a travels into the battery
TheGeekster#8508: yeah, i mean the entire chain, it just seems like if you aren't going with a pretested and known working battery charging system... that's gonna be questionable
thatubuntuguy#5914: 2a goes to the pc
thatubuntuguy#5914: or if the pc is off, 3a goes to the battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: its literally that guys pcb but with a i2c coulomb counter
thatubuntuguy#5914: its one more ic and a whatever supporting components it requires
thatubuntuguy#5914: wait no that circuit doesn't output 3a
thatubuntuguy#5914: but still
TheGeekster#8508: that's what i'm questioning, 2amp from 10,000mah worth of cells, is getting complex to charge & keep balanced, i genuinely think you should try and use prebuilt circuits with known functions beyond creating something yourself from components |
thatubuntuguy#5914: i've visited texas instruments site before
thatubuntuguy#5914: there are ics that can handle 3a charging
thatubuntuguy#5914: but what i don't know is how it behaves when i employ a passthrough type thing
thatubuntuguy#5914: and if i make a custom pcb its peace of mind that i know that it for sure has the protection capabilities that i ordered
TheGeekster#8508: it most likely doesn't behave well at all, you're trying to make a laptop charging circuit, they're pretty fuckin complicated
thatubuntuguy#5914: how does a phone behave in that scenario
thatubuntuguy#5914: but then the phone doesn't take 3a of power...
thatubuntuguy#5914: your points are valid
TheGeekster#8508: hobby projects normally only involve the small 3.7v battery packs, which are easier to deal with, and you only have a single cell to worry about, with laptops and larger drains, a single cell isn't going to cut it unfortunately, so you've got multiple cells, all of which need balancing. People have done it, but not in a compact way
thatubuntuguy#5914: no its only one cell
thatubuntuguy#5914: 5000mah
thatubuntuguy#5914: no balancing of separate cells required
JustinXenyx#8854: 5000mah? Doesn't sound like that "laptop" will run for long tbh
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know
TheGeekster#8508: Really wish you'd pick a raspberry pi for this lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619850040470536192/5-power-mobility.png |
thatubuntuguy#5914: which is why i was going to put another battery behind the screen
thatubuntuguy#5914: but will it need balancing if i use a second cell
JustinXenyx#8854: Yes it will
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay
JustinXenyx#8854: I do think it's getting a bit too complicated for you tbh
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay, right lets go back a few steps then
TheGeekster#8508: *the dream* but it doesn't have software reporting etc etc https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619850330879819797/ZC10500-D-2-29.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: i need some way of letting windows know how much charge is in the battery
TheGeekster#8508: you could in theory combine that circuit, with a counter-thing-i-can't-be-bothered-to-spell
thatubuntuguy#5914: i can use the charging circuit from the anker battery but im not sure if it allows passthrough
thatubuntuguy#5914: and it'd be kinda pointless to not be able to use it while charging
TheGeekster#8508: you won't be able to, i'm almost 100% sure, it won't work
TheGeekster#8508: you need a circuit designed to supply power to a SBC, and be able to charge
thatubuntuguy#5914: those circuits also lack protection features commonly the one u just sent
thatubuntuguy#5914: ive seen loads and loads of those |
TheGeekster#8508: what protection features do you want in the laptop?
thatubuntuguy#5914: overvoltage, overcurrent, short circuit
thatubuntuguy#5914: under voltage
thatubuntuguy#5914: perhaps temperature as well if possible
thatubuntuguy#5914: the ti ics have these protections
TheGeekster#8508: you want everything from a commercial laptop, in a diy set, that... is nearly impossible without a lot of planning, and a lot of expertise
thatubuntuguy#5914: temperature is not a must though
TheGeekster#8508: yeah... but they aren't easy to work with
TheGeekster#8508: https://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-powerboost-1000-charger-rechargeable-5v-lipo-usb-boost-1a-1000c
thatubuntuguy#5914: because then i have to put a thermistor in them and its a hassle
thatubuntuguy#5914: that doesn't output enough power
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah, you're going WAY above your paygrade tbf
JustinXenyx#8854: This sounds like something really complicated
TheGeekster#8508: "Since the built-in battery charger has load-sharing, it will automatically switch over to the USB power when available, instead of continuously charging/draining the battery. This is more efficient, and lets you charge-and-boost at the same time without any interruption on the output so its fine for use as a "UPS" (un-interruptable power supply)."
thatubuntuguy#5914: 5v 1a tho |
TheGeekster#8508: that's hobbyist power
TheGeekster#8508: if you want more, contact an OEM
thatubuntuguy#5914: if this similar thing was available for 3a
thatubuntuguy#5914: or even 2a and i can power limit the board
TheGeekster#8508: I'm pretty sure what you're asking is beyond the scope of this discord tbh, we aren't electrical engineers or system designers, you want a lot more than hobby grade stuff tbh
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmm
TheGeekster#8508: and that's where it starts to get dangerous
thatubuntuguy#5914: where can i turn to for more information
TheGeekster#8508: does the greatscott channel have a discord?
thatubuntuguy#5914: let me see
thatubuntuguy#5914: no i dont think so
TheGeekster#8508: have you looked up "DIY laptop" btw?
thatubuntuguy#5914: http://www.ti.com/product/TPS61230
thatubuntuguy#5914: this is basically the same but rated for 2.1A
MythologicalZ#3752: DIY laptop will probably just bring up Clevo barebones and other junk |
TheGeekster#8508: QTY: "1ku" ONE THOUSAND UNITS minimum order
thatubuntuguy#5914: wait what
thatubuntuguy#5914: aren't there like chinese retailers like jlpcn
TheGeekster#8508: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619852539210235915/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: *jlpcb and they can sell it in smaller quanities
JustinXenyx#8854: DIY laptop just comes up with either that and those sketchy "laptops" that are just shitty Raspberry Pis in cardboard boxes with some junk keyboard and a shitty LCD @MythologicalZ
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://eu.mouser.com/Texas-Instruments/Switching-Voltage-Regulators/TPS61230-Series/_/N-1z0zls6Z668jtZ1ywtjye
MythologicalZ#3752: Indeed
thatubuntuguy#5914: dont have to buy 1000
thatubuntuguy#5914: at least not from here
TheGeekster#8508: have you studied circuit design? have you gone through proper professional tutorials? I wouldn't even dream of trying to design a circuit that can handle battery charging, it's just... a bit too much
TheGeekster#8508: Anyway I'm out, I leave you with what would be my approximation of the ultimate DIY gaming printer https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619853008267771904/comprinter.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: i have done circuit design
thatubuntuguy#5914: but nothing on this scale
thatubuntuguy#5914: ive done transistor based voltage changing circuits |
thatubuntuguy#5914: which i've hand soldered
TheGeekster#8508: which is the problem, you aren't trying to tackle a single problem at a time, you're trying to create a finished item without the practise and knowledge of the individual building blocks
thatubuntuguy#5914: good point
thatubuntuguy#5914: actually you're right
thatubuntuguy#5914: i should worry about getting the thing to work first before i worry about how im going to power it
TheGeekster#8508: do ONE part at a time, power management seems to be the most likely to trip you up, do that, fuck everything else, concerntrate on being able to create a power delivery system that can charge a phone
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay
thatubuntuguy#5914: k ill be back in a bit
TheGeekster#8508: Anyway I'm gonna go mod a 1.5 inch screen into a printer to play tetris on, later
thatubuntuguy#5914: back
thatubuntuguy#5914: so should i focus on like 5v 1a or try and go for a higher power output because that's what i need ultimately
TheGeekster#8508: start small
TheGeekster#8508: built a small UPS device, that can do 5v 1amp output, and report back to windows, how much power is left in the battery
TheGeekster#8508: most likely using an 18650 cell
TheGeekster#8508: they are very commonly used, and the more common the items you use are, the more help you'll find online |
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay
thatubuntuguy#5914: i have two 18650 cells
thatubuntuguy#5914: from a different power bank
thatubuntuguy#5914: will that be okay
thatubuntuguy#5914: btw the clone comes with a 5v 3a power brick
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster what i still can't find online is how to report to windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: i dont know how that step works
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know it communicates over i2c or smbus but i dont know what windows is looking for - will it just seamlessly work as soon as i get the i2c rigged up or what
TheGeekster#8508: You'll have to find a circuit that can talk to the windows battery api, it'll most likely connect through USB
thatubuntuguy#5914: i literally can't find anything related on google
thatubuntuguy#5914: i found the api documentation on microsofts website
TheGeekster#8508: fuck me it's complicated 😂
thatubuntuguy#5914: how does gpd do it
thatubuntuguy#5914: they must use some sort of i2c enabled coulomb counter
TheGeekster#8508: they're a company that has other companies design their PCBs, they don't do it inhouse |
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmm
TheGeekster#8508: http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2
TheGeekster#8508: "- Intelligent UPS, USB interface, SMBUS slave. Communication can be done over USB and the device has also SMBUS reporting capability. Windows detects OpenUPS as Battery and automatically shows battery in the system tray."
thatubuntuguy#5914: oooh that's interesting
thatubuntuguy#5914: i found a lattepanda thread with some promising information
thatubuntuguy#5914: right so it connects via us
thatubuntuguy#5914: *usb
thatubuntuguy#5914: lattepanda has a charging circuit or smth
TheGeekster#8508: i think on a basica level, it's the i2c collumb counter, mounted to a basic translator like a arduino (i know it's not but that's as close as i can think) then that converts it into a "battery" for windows signally
thatubuntuguy#5914: right
TheGeekster#8508: i think you might have to rethink your SBC, something more DIY friendly, especially if one has a charging circuit onboard, it would make the "Version 1" of the project a much more accomplishable task
thatubuntuguy#5914: latte panda alpha
thatubuntuguy#5914: its £350 -_-
thatubuntuguy#5914: rip
TheGeekster#8508: there be a reason diy stuff is expensive 😦 |
thatubuntuguy#5914: i know
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay, so there should be just the chip communicating over usb directly with the battery api
TheGeekster#8508: though tbh the latte panda is like the BMW of the SBC world lol, it's pretty high up there
thatubuntuguy#5914: no windows firmware right
thatubuntuguy#5914: hold on i had an idea
TheGeekster#8508: https://cpc.farnell.com/df-robot/dfr0444/lattepanda-2gb-32gb-w-o-licence/dp/SC15127?mckv=s9BqnmvCY_dc|pcrid|224679642167|kword||match||plid||slid||product|SC15127|pgrid|47129782516|ptaid|pla-638482420978|&CMP=KNC-GUK-CPC-SHOPPING&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs3rBRCdARIsADe1pfS807f_IUGi6IuMuI5D79Pjn98AgPaNYXl7oWDOHbNU7gfBxZ1M3sQaAsyCEALw_wcB
thatubuntuguy#5914: can't i just find a schematic for a laptop battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: and rework it for my case
thatubuntuguy#5914: z8350 cpu
thatubuntuguy#5914: but
TheGeekster#8508: good luck 😂 the companies that make them aren't going to publish their top secret schematics online
TheGeekster#8508: most of the cost of electronics are R&D, they are quite defensive over stuff like that
thatubuntuguy#5914: i understand
thatubuntuguy#5914: is there a battery connection for this
thatubuntuguy#5914: latte panda |
TheGeekster#8508: they have a built in arduino onboard 🤔 could interact with the i2c
TheGeekster#8508: but anyway, maybe let's start more basic, USB UPS, able to provide power while charging, without reporting to windows yet
thatubuntuguy#5914: how does i2c actually work
thatubuntuguy#5914: is it like mipi as in its a protocol
thatubuntuguy#5914: if i can just find out how to do the windows reporting the rest of it i'll be able to figure out for a 5v 1a ups
thatubuntuguy#5914: also the reporting is the most important part of the circuit for the eventual use in the laptop
thatubuntuguy#5914: so that's why im pretty keen on figuring that out
thatubuntuguy#5914: ok @TheGeekster im reading a datasheet for a i2c coulomb counter and stuff is beginning to make sense
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619862150772424713/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: there are registers in this chip and these can be accessed through i2c as far as i can see
thatubuntuguy#5914: so the charge in the battery is like 02h
thatubuntuguy#5914: address
thatubuntuguy#5914: the chip itself is at 1100100
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i imagine i'd need some sort of software side driver to translate the windows commands to the coulomb counter commands
TheGeekster#8508: This, this is beyond me captain 😂 I know i2c, but accessing more than basic stuff is beyond me |
thatubuntuguy#5914: wdym accessing basic stuff
thatubuntuguy#5914: ok i see what you were saying about some translator
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619864164378214400/chargingsystem1.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: fuel gauge is the couloumb counter in this case
thatubuntuguy#5914: so yeah you were right, there's an intermediary device there that handles window's requests and provides it with the requested data by accessing the registers from the coulomb counter
thatubuntuguy#5914: it makes so much sense now!
thatubuntuguy#5914: when something changes in the fuel gauge, it sends a signal to the controller which then gives a 0x80 signal over i2c or smth to windows which tells windows that hey something happened
TheGeekster#8508: And you see why laptops are complicated 😂
thatubuntuguy#5914: yup
thatubuntuguy#5914: but its not somethign that i fail to understand its just the documentation is so sparse
thatubuntuguy#5914: but it makes sense now
thatubuntuguy#5914: the controller acts as an intermediary
thatubuntuguy#5914: its still not easy
thatubuntuguy#5914: because the controller needs to be presented to windows as an acpi device
thatubuntuguy#5914: so it needs some hid object, crs object for io, and some other stuff |
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619865316058464287/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619865397369503744/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619865444978786345/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i guess the acpi stuff is an actual firmware i need to write
thatubuntuguy#5914: and my program needs to read the stuff from the charge controller and have it presented to windows
thatubuntuguy#5914: so the controller checks like 10 times a second or smth and every time somethign is different in the registers, it updates it in the program and sends windows 0x80 over i2c
thatubuntuguy#5914: then windows reads my controller and presents it in the status bar
thatubuntuguy#5914: it could potentially be an arduino
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeah!
thatubuntuguy#5914: i can program an arduino like that..
thatubuntuguy#5914: there's a library for i2c comms
thatubuntuguy#5914: and then i could just present the arduino as a hid compliant device or smth plug it in via usb and all is well
thatubuntuguy#5914: its going to be a lot of work im not denying it
thatubuntuguy#5914: but it makes some sort of sense now
thatubuntuguy#5914: so here's an example device class https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619867063569219584/unknown.png |
thatubuntuguy#5914: OOOHHH wait there's a LOT of things i can do with an embedded controller!
thatubuntuguy#5914: I can have a lid position sensor!
thatubuntuguy#5914: I can have a sleep button handler!
thatubuntuguy#5914: literally anything acpi this little controller can handle it all
thatubuntuguy#5914: of course anything acpi that i CHOOSE to add
Deleted User#0000: Would a fx 4130 pair well with a gtx 760
MythologicalZ#3752: No
MythologicalZ#3752: If anything you'll hold the card back
TheGeekster#8508: @thatubuntuguy down boy! Keep it simple to start with!
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeahh i know i wont worry about the other stuff
thatubuntuguy#5914: just the battery for now
thatubuntuguy#5914: once i get that all figured out then ill move on
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster is it possible to have a 5000mah cell and a 1000mah cell
thatubuntuguy#5914: can i wire them in parallel to get 6000mah
thatubuntuguy#5914: or is that not how it works either |
TheGeekster#8508: not ideal, as soon as you start combining multiple cell types together, you need individual charging circuits
TheGeekster#8508: it's best to use matched, so that a charge circuit knows what it's charging, and can balance them together
thatubuntuguy#5914: fair enough
thatubuntuguy#5914: im asking bc im considering having two cells
thatubuntuguy#5914: to maximise capacity
thatubuntuguy#5914: so the couloumb counter is different for different amounts of cells according to ti
TheGeekster#8508: yeahhhhhh, multiple cells maybe future revision lol, version 1, stick with a single one
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay
JustinXenyx#8854: Matching multiple cells with the same capacity can be difficult already, matching 2 different cells is a nightmare @thatubuntuguy
Lady Mipha#0611: ^
thatubuntuguy#5914: okay gotcha
thatubuntuguy#5914: i understand
thatubuntuguy#5914: ill go with the single cell for now
thatubuntuguy#5914: but ill need to add a protection ic and another charger if i want a second cell
JustinXenyx#8854: No, if you want multiple cells, you need ONE charger that can do cell balancing |
thatubuntuguy#5914: yeah i just saw
thatubuntuguy#5914: i need a management thing with balancing
thatubuntuguy#5914: i can't use a separate circuit
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster right so i did a little sketch on paper of what i kinda want out of my pcb
thatubuntuguy#5914: so ill need a charging ic, protection ic, boost converter and a coulomb counter
thatubuntuguy#5914: so the 5v 3a goes into the charging ic
thatubuntuguy#5914: if the voltage of the battery is below 4.2
thatubuntuguy#5914: it charges the battery at 3a
thatubuntuguy#5914: but what if the pc is on and i want to charge
thatubuntuguy#5914: should i use a current divider on the output to charge the battery with 1amp and send the other 2amp to the sbc
thatubuntuguy#5914: and if the battery is charged, send all the current to the sbc
thatubuntuguy#5914: if the charger is removed, the pcb should activate its boost converter and provide 5v 3a to the sbc
thatubuntuguy#5914: ok so i found the ti bq25601
thatubuntuguy#5914: will the charger ic usually handle the switching of power when the battery is full and when the system load increases it decreases the charging current
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619897438429511690/unknown.png |
thatubuntuguy#5914: hmm upon closer inspection of the data sheet
thatubuntuguy#5914: ok it makes more sense now
thatubuntuguy#5914: basically the system output is at like 3.5v or smth (programmable) so i can output that into my boost converter and then feed it into the pc
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i don't need any stupid current dividers
thatubuntuguy#5914: and as the system load increases, it automagically reduces the charge current as required to keep the system voltage stable (3.5v)
thatubuntuguy#5914: that's great!
thatubuntuguy#5914: so that means that if the pc is on and charging and taking say 1a of power, the ic will send however much current required to the pc and keep as much current possible dedicated to charging the battery
thatubuntuguy#5914: very nice
thatubuntuguy#5914: ooh i can even have a burst mode (later revisions) in which i can use power from the adapter and from the battery to output even more current
thatubuntuguy#5914: because the ic will also handle that - ie taking power from the battery and the adapter
thatubuntuguy#5914: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619899654644957194/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: the charging efficiency is highest at 5V
thatubuntuguy#5914: 5% loss at ~600 ma nice
thatubuntuguy#5914: my boost converter can handle ~7a so thats good as well
thatubuntuguy#5914: wait do i need a battery protection ic |
thatubuntuguy#5914: it appears that the charging ic has protection features as well
thatubuntuguy#5914: battery overvoltage
thatubuntuguy#5914: ic thermal shutdown
thatubuntuguy#5914: overcurrent
thatubuntuguy#5914: battery temperature
thatubuntuguy#5914: system overvoltage (not necessary because the boost converter will regulate a strict 5v but nice to have an extra layer of security)
thatubuntuguy#5914: so it has voltage and current monitoring in buck and boost modes
thatubuntuguy#5914: over discharge
thatubuntuguy#5914: nice i dont need that protection ic then
thatubuntuguy#5914: wait no it does need a protector?
thatubuntuguy#5914: confused
thatubuntuguy#5914: right so i need three ics, an embedded controller (arduino) and a lot of firmware writing
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i guess the next step is to build a schematic
thatubuntuguy#5914: with these parts
thatubuntuguy#5914: right i've downloaded the component models |
thatubuntuguy#5914: used ultralibrarian to export to eagle format
thatubuntuguy#5914: and now i'll open it up in eagle
thatubuntuguy#5914: and make the schematic using the values from webench designer
thatubuntuguy#5914: oh shit webench makes my life so easy
thatubuntuguy#5914: i just put in the parameters and it adjusts all the values accordingly!
Deleted User#0000: Hey guys
Deleted User#0000: Need help fast
Xbox 360 1953#2640: With?
JustinXenyx#8854: If you need help fast, why bother with all this and not just directly say what you need help with?
Deleted User#0000: Could you guys go in a voice chat?
Deleted User#0000: It's hard to explain over text
TheFifthAce#4128: no
LaeMat#0420: Just say what’s the issue
B14NK#2605: How poorly would this cool an i7-2600? https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Heat-Pipes-CPU-Cooler-Cooling-Fan-with-Unique-Keel-Fan-for-Intel-LGA-AMD/202653389480?hash=item2f2f1552a8%3Ag%3A5VEAAOSwsO1csuYw&LH_BIN=1
thatubuntuguy#5914: just get a gammaxx 400 from china or smth |
thatubuntuguy#5914: looks pretty beefy though
B14NK#2605: I don't want to buy straight from China because shipping will take a while
thatubuntuguy#5914: fair enough
thatubuntuguy#5914: its an 8 heatpipe cooler and the fin density looks alright
thatubuntuguy#5914: so i guess u could give it a shot
thatubuntuguy#5914: get someone elses opinion as well tho
B14NK#2605: Isn't it 4 heatpipes?
B14NK#2605: The 4 just branch off to both sides so it seems like 8
B14NK#2605: Actually, scratch the first cooler, this one ships almost a week faster and has dual fans/towers for only $5 more https://www.ebay.com/itm/CPU-Cooler-4-Pipe-4-Pin-W-Cooling-Fan-For-Intel-LGA-775-1155-1156-1150-1366-AMD/153629426800?hash=item23c5070470%3Ag%3Adc0AAOSwo51dbqLq&LH_BIN=1
thatubuntuguy#5914: o shite ur right
B14NK#2605: I don't know much about how fin density affects the cooler, how does this one look?
thatubuntuguy#5914: nice
thatubuntuguy#5914: the more fins in one area the more heat can be dissipated
B14NK#2605: Well yeah I know that :p
B14NK#2605: What's does really bad fin density look like I mean |
thatubuntuguy#5914: o sorry
B14NK#2605: How far apart
thatubuntuguy#5914: idk really how far is too far
thatubuntuguy#5914: but eh that cooler looks alright enough
thatubuntuguy#5914: the fans that come with it wont be much good i expect
B14NK#2605: Pretty much a given at $20 and decent shipping
B14NK#2605: A Gammaxx 400 goes for $21 with similar shipping and has leds, what would be more enticing to a buyer? led fan or dual tower? https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-CPU-Air-Cooler-4-Direct-Contact-Heatpipes-120mm-PWM-Fan-wi/301380790640?epid=691148134&hash=item462bb1e970%3Ag%3ApikAAOSwokVdQW1d&LH_BIN=1
SussyBalls#4615: Dual tower
SussyBalls#4615: especially if the leds are sideways
B14NK#2605: Good point
SussyBalls#4615: if it's a cooler thats "laying down" it would be viable
B14NK#2605: I don't think the case I hope to use has a side panel anyways
SussyBalls#4615: something like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619946251403919361/freezer_11_lp_g05_1.png
SussyBalls#4615: wait what
>enticing to a buyer |
>no sidepanel
SussyBalls#4615: how will you flip a pc without a side panel
B14NK#2605: I've done it a few times already
B14NK#2605: without a see through side panel *
SussyBalls#4615: Oh ok
SussyBalls#4615: flipping a pc with no side panel would make people think you pulled it out of a junkyard or stole it lol
SussyBalls#4615: but if there's no glass window, the rgb would be a waste
B14NK#2605: "Maximum cooling" Kappa
B14NK#2605: Yeah, I'll get the dual tower no name one
SussyBalls#4615: bruh if i bought it it'd be 10 + 28 shipping
SussyBalls#4615: thank you int'l shipping, very cool
B14NK#2605: rip
B14NK#2605: Canada?
SussyBalls#4615: nope europe
SussyBalls#4615: but why would it cost so much to ship to canada, especially if it's near the border lol |
B14NK#2605: How fast is Aliexpress shipping for you? It takes like a month to get to NY
B14NK#2605: idk tbh 🤷
SussyBalls#4615: about same i guess
SussyBalls#4615: it's always around a month
SussyBalls#4615: those freight ships are not exactly jet powered
B14NK#2605: I've never put an i7 in a cheapo oem board, would this be good enough for a 2600? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-HY9JP-Optiplex-790-MT-LGA-1155-Socket-H2-DDR3-SDRAM-Desktop-Motherboard/382519210959
thatubuntuguy#5914: aliexpress shipping takes like 2wks for me because they fly it over they dont put it in a boat
thatubuntuguy#5914: @B14NK probably yes but be careful their front panel layouts are pretty much guaranteed to be proprietary
B14NK#2605: All you really need is the power button to work and guess and check won't take longer than 10 minutes
B14NK#2605: I'm not seeing any 3/4 pin fan headers, though
SussyBalls#4615: well adapters are cheap af
SussyBalls#4615: but the psu connectors are atx
B14NK#2605: No idea what standard they're using on the mobo
SussyBalls#4615: really all you'll need is fan adapters and maybe front panel adapters
B14NK#2605: If the no name cooler has really high rpm fans, it'll get loud if I go direct tothe psu |
SussyBalls#4615: they likely are
Xbox 360 1953#2640: dell uses a 5pin cpu cooler for the optiplex 7010, i think its probably the same on the 790
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I know that the 7010 board can be used in another case fine as well
SussyBalls#4615: @B14NK less than a dollar fan adapters
https://www.ebay.com/itm/5Pin-to-4Pin-Cooling-Fan-Connector-Adapter-Converter-Cable-for-Dell-PC-La-A-S/283406056425?epid=10030032070&hash=item41fc513be9:g:XUUAAOSwMUpcfQWb
B14NK#2605: Doesn't get here till the end of the month, but I'll buy a few to keep on hand
B14NK#2605: @Xbox 360 1953 do you have any experience with the 390 or 3010? They have two 3 pin headers
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Sorry, my only experience is with the 7010/9010
B14NK#2605: Alright, no worries
B14NK#2605: Is an I/O shield worth $6?
SussyBalls#4615: depends
if possible get a blank and chop it out
B14NK#2605: How would I chop it out?
SussyBalls#4615: do whatever those 1000 degree knife guys do
SussyBalls#4615: but if not than i'd say buy it, it makes the system look more polished and professional |
B14NK#2605: Yeah, I don't think I'd trust myself to cut it out and have it look nice plus the listing with the i/o shield ships a few days faster
B14NK#2605: Are these drives any good? https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F371761283475
B14NK#2605: I see a lot of listings for them so I'd guess probably not
B14NK#2605: They seem to be enterprise SAS drives
TheGeekster#8508: You can't run them without a sas controller, which is why they're so cheap @B14NK
thatubuntuguy#5914: @TheGeekster what is this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/619962296495636546/unknown.png
thatubuntuguy#5914: is it a mosfet
thatubuntuguy#5914: it looks like a mosfet
TheGeekster#8508: prettttty sure it is, but i haven't done electronics since school lol
thatubuntuguy#5914: dw i checked the detailed schematic at the bottom of the datasheet and its a mosfet
B14NK#2605: I normally don't buy eBay hdds, but other than this one being 3.5" and spinning at 5900rpm, how's this drive? https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F293208705275
thatubuntuguy#5914: i have one of those pipeline drives
thatubuntuguy#5914: same rpm
thatubuntuguy#5914: 500gb tho
thatubuntuguy#5914: they're alright tbh |
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