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DarknessFalls229#2286: how bout a paint brush
DarknessFalls229#2286: or like a small broom
DarknessFalls229#2286: or a shaving brush
Foxious#1859: Aww
Foxious#1859: Gonna have to find the brush
JustinXenyx#8854: > Still the best mitx card on the market
@FantaStick aren't the 2070S mini and 2080 mini better than the 1080Ti mini?
FantaStick#8008: 2080 mini doesn't really exist (manli did an incredibly limited run of those copying the zotac cooler) and 2070S still loses to 1080ti in several games, although it's been getting slowly better as drivers for turing develop
FantaStick#8008: Now being that 30 series is out and the pcb and waterblocks exist, you can now make mini itx cards more powerful than the 1080ti
FantaStick#8008: Ekwb is working on a waterblock specifically for the FE pcb which should come in under the magic 210mm number
Dogecode#7321: > or like a small broom
@DarknessFalls229 that would absolutely tear up that cpu, even with a toothbrush you’d have to be really careful not to bend any pins
DarknessFalls229#2286: theyre not LGA pins bruh
DarknessFalls229#2286: and the cleaner ought to be carefull enough with it anyway
Alcyone#2233: @Foxious go get a can of aerosol electrical cleaner from the auto parts store and just hose it down. its how I clean all pga cpu and lga socket pins https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/761636452046995496/05101.png |
Alcyone#2233: works great for dimm and pcie slots too
JustinXenyx#8854: @Tinybox let's move this here since normal seems to shift into a phone conversation
Tinybox#9112: Seems so
Tinybox#9112: Well, yea I'd need to rebuild from nearly scratch, but I'd take my 750 EVO out, and maybe my 500GB seagate drive.
I got 16GB of G-SKILL AEGIS RAM arond ***because it didn't want to work with more than 2666mhz that damn 3000mhz kit, haven't tested it on my pro-vdh tho***
JustinXenyx#8854: I feel like the SSD and hard drive wouldn't save you much in regards to price
JustinXenyx#8854: Also it seems like the ASRock B450M Pro4 really isn't doing too hot in regards to memory clocks for some people, my Pro4-F has been fine thus far in regards to that
JustinXenyx#8854: So your 3000MHz kit might've just clocked like ass because of the board
Alcyone#2233: did you update bios to get the new agesa Tiny?
Tinybox#9112: That was already quite a while ago.
Tinybox#9112: That was when I first built my PC, already a year ago
Tinybox#9112: A tad more in fact.
JustinXenyx#8854: But you admit that you haven't retested the kit yet
Tinybox#9112: Yea I indeed haven't
JustinXenyx#8854: so there is still some hope to that |
Tinybox#9112: I did buy myself a new Kit with the pro-vdh since (my epic man), sold me a 2666mhz Kit, which OC'ed to 3000mhz pretty much with ease
Tinybox#9112: 20 euros for 16GB of DDR4
Tinybox#9112: Couldn't pass that up
JustinXenyx#8854: Oh yeah i remember you talking about that guy
Tinybox#9112: yea the guy that sold me a bunch of shit, and made this rig cost only a total of 240 Euros or so
JustinXenyx#8854: My advice is this: ideally you'd keep the Pro VDH, RAM, SSD and HDD and sell off the rest
Tinybox#9112: Wait you want me to part out the GPU, Case, and CPU?
Alcyone#2233: id just sell the cpu and gpu unless the case or psu is crap
JustinXenyx#8854: Yup, because that's the only thing really making sense given that you wanna upgrade
JustinXenyx#8854: AM4 and DDR4 really have not been doing too hot when it comes to price drops
JustinXenyx#8854: So you'd have to buy that stuff again for basically the same prices
Tinybox#9112: The case I have is a Thermalthake N25, a Cooler Master RS600 ACAB-B1 as psu
JustinXenyx#8854: The storage i'd primarily keep for data/privacy reasons, given that the data is rather easily recoverable now if you don't put a ton of effort in
Tinybox#9112: alr
Tinybox#9112: I don't store any private data on my PC personally tho |
Tinybox#9112: It's all on da "backup-pc"
Alcyone#2233: I would at least secure erase everything, which takes ages
Tinybox#9112: alright
Tinybox#9112: So should I sell my Powersupply as well?
Tinybox#9112: dont really care about the case
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah the PSU and case aren't of the highest quality, might as well sell those
Tinybox#9112: I also have the rig I built for one of my favourite siblings,
@I5 2500k
@R9 290
@Corsair RM750i
..16gb of Corsair Vengance 1600mhz.
Should I part that one out too for an upgrade or just sell it off since AM4
Tinybox#9112: (Probably keep power supply, and secure erase the old VERTEX 4 SSD on it)
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd probably part out CPU/mobo/RAM, but the PSU and GPU should still be fine
JustinXenyx#8854: Don't think a Vertex 4 is gonna net you much cash tbh, it's 8 years old at this point |
Tinybox#9112: Yea just to include in the entire package
Tinybox#9112: Could raise value a little
Tinybox#9112: After all slapping " including super fast storage" is quite an add on :)
Tinybox#9112: Well selling anything on this PC is probably profit anyway.
my RX 580 cost me 70 euros and still has 1 month of warranty..
my R5 1600 cost me 50 Euros.
And the R9 290 in my Bro's PC was 25 euros + xtreme iii cooler which added another 15
(Mining card, I got in an epic package)
JustinXenyx#8854: i still remember the 5 290s (or however many it was) you got for cheap
Tinybox#9112: yea I got 5 R9 290s for 100
Tinybox#9112: well more like 110
Alcyone#2233: dang
Tinybox#9112: 110 because I got a pack of fans with them
Tinybox#9112: Like 40 fans
Tinybox#9112: bunch of LC power molex, some big thermalthake 200mm fans |
Alcyone#2233: I paid $65 for one vapor x and felt like I got a decent deal
Tinybox#9112: they were all sapphire TRI-X
Alcyone#2233: those arent bad
Tinybox#9112: Well I sold each of them for like 70 euros
Tinybox#9112: Kept 1
DarknessFalls229#2286: i once gotten a r9 290 with an accelero extreme for 65 euro and i still cant find anything better
Tinybox#9112: Sold one with a broken cooler for 60 euros
Tinybox#9112: More like one screw wasn't going in and I was like "nope"
Tinybox#9112: It was like
Tinybox#9112: broken
Tinybox#9112: I sent a pic back then
Alcyone#2233: there was some mining places closing out msi 390x for $80 BIN on ebay a while ago, but they are all gone
Tinybox#9112: damn
Tinybox#9112: The R9 290 one was kinda funny
Tinybox#9112: It was originally listed for 90 euros for 5x cards |
Tinybox#9112: I messaged within 5 min
Tinybox#9112: got into a bidding war with some other dude
Tinybox#9112: I then offered to come within 15 min, and 110 for everything and asked him to take down the listing
Tinybox#9112: Anyway ill work on getting an MXM workstation to part out my PC stuff
Tinybox#9112: @JustinXenyx Oh shit
Tinybox#9112: I forgot there's someone I can buy an R5 1600 off for 40 euros
Tinybox#9112: Do you think I should just buy that for my "siblings PC" instead of wait for the market fall?
Tinybox#9112: I do have DDR4
Tinybox#9112: soo
JustinXenyx#8854: Don't think it would get much cheaper beyond that to be honest
Tinybox#9112: mk
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Tinybox what about giving your siblings pc your old parts while you upgrade your current machine?
Tinybox#9112: @DarknessFalls229 You mean selling my siblings PC, for ~350 Euros (R9 290+i5 2500k), giving him my current System, excluding my SSD, HDD and RAM, and taking his RM750i for myself.
Would esentially mean the System I'd be selling would be rocking a
Cooler Master B600 |
i5 2500k
R9 290 with an xtreme iii cooler
16gb of ram
Asrock z68 pro3
***That would give me 350 roughly euros to build a new System from scratch**
DarknessFalls229#2286: nevermind then i guess
Tinybox#9112: I mean the real biggest issue is that ram will prolly inflate the minute the release is dropped as everyone will be tryna grab some,also apparently at least after justin AM4 board prices won't change@DarknessFalls229
Otherwise I'd do that
Tinybox#9112: Thinking even closer, I'm starting to feel like selling my entire System (For 450-500) would just yield me more, even if it's far more required effort.
With a lot of sca- I mean negotiating.
I'll reckon I can get a GTX 1080Ti for 250 once RDNA starts doing da ***effect***
**200-250 Euros left**
R5 3600,....I bet that will drop to a smooth 100.
**100-150 left** |
***Already own the RAM, assuming my aegis kit actually works because then I'd sell my PC with it and keep my ballistix kit or just sell it with my pc anyway***
-case=10 euros
PSU= 15 Euros (finna get another one like I did last time)
Motherboard=60-70 Euros on the used Market for a Tomahawk
**5-45 Euros left.**
Now just need another Monitor, which if I do some serious searching I can cop a 144hz Display for roughly 40-50.
**0 left**
Cue; dont need a cooler because I'd sell my PC with the stock cooler
ZeroForsaken#0001: I’ve got a really random thing going on with my gpu if anybody could help out
Tinybox#9112: a r t i f a c t s?
ZeroForsaken#0001: I literally have no clue what’s going on, everytime I hook up a second monitor, it switches inputs and goes to no signal
ZeroForsaken#0001: So for example, I’ll plug in my first monitor and it’ll work just fine
ZeroForsaken#0001: But then if I plug in my other monitor, the first one goes black with a “No Signal” and the second one turns on and shows just fine
JustinXenyx#8854: Try plugging them both in while turned off and then turn the machine on
JustinXenyx#8854: @Tinybox I **really** doubt you can get a 120 or even 144Hz Display for 40-50€, but i'd like to be proven wrong |
ZeroForsaken#0001: Dude
ZeroForsaken#0001: I swear i was trying that earlier and it wasn’t working
ZeroForsaken#0001: Now it’s working just fine
ZeroForsaken#0001: Wth
JustinXenyx#8854: that's what i like to call "PC Support Magic"
JustinXenyx#8854: You describe a problem to any tech support, they check and now the problem just magically vanished
ZeroForsaken#0001: Wait nvm
ZeroForsaken#0001: It stopped working again
ZeroForsaken#0001: So it shows the bios menu but as soon as it boots into Windows, it stops working
ZeroForsaken#0001: I honestly have no idea what’s happening, my system has been acting up ever since I swapped cases like 2 days ago
ZeroForsaken#0001: My ssd used to boot in like 5 seconds, now it takes an entire minute
ZeroForsaken#0001: It’s like my parts are rejecting the case :FeelsBadMan:
DarknessFalls229#2286: @ZeroForsaken the display isnt disabled in windows right?
ZeroForsaken#0001: No, neither of them are
ZeroForsaken#0001: It’s like |
ZeroForsaken#0001: They both work just fine
ZeroForsaken#0001: But it’s refusing to show both at the same time, just one
ZeroForsaken#0001: It only happens when I boot into windows
Tinybox#9112: @JustinXenyx I've done it twice 😎 I even talked about one I got, and sold that one (That one was from "The Legend")
Tinybox#9112: It's just about spying on the Market for years, and asking questions when the listing is basically bare
ZeroForsaken#0001: I think I fixed it
ZeroForsaken#0001: We’re good
ZeroForsaken#0001: But I still want to figure out how to fix my ssd booting slow
Alcyone#2233: is the mobo sata set to ide mode?
Alcyone#2233: and is the ssd the first boot option?
dexsters56#4904: Anyone got a any tips for getting rocket league running and low end gpu's? I have a HP 4530s witha I5-2450m and intel Hd 3000 graphics. I try to launch the game through epic games and it crashes each time
Alcyone#2233: try setting the max available vram for the igp in bios if there is any settings
dexsters56#4904: Ok il give it a shot
dexsters56#4904: in the bios there was novram ajustment, but it was good i was able to disable to damaged hd7470m what the laptop had
mi3night#2562: https://youtu.be/vZTlzbdy-lo |
mi3night#2562: @dexsters56
dexsters56#4904: There isnt a option like that in the bios
dexsters56#4904: On my desktop A8-7600 fm2 platform it was shown but on my laptop it doesnt
Yon#7961: is this list a good build?
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCLCp8
DarknessFalls229#2286: looks fine imo
Yon#7961: oh w8
Yon#7961: wrong one
Yon#7961: this one
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yxc6n7
DarknessFalls229#2286: you couldve just said that you swapped out the CPu
DarknessFalls229#2286: but still, looks fine imo
Yon#7961: lol yeah
JustinXenyx#8854: The motherboard is quite fucking pricy
JustinXenyx#8854: + again, CPU and GPU choice may be entirely outdated in 3 months or so |
Yon#7961: then what should I swap it out to
Yon#7961: ???
RiIey#0001: how do i change the dpi of my mouse on a G300S from logitech
Budget#8265: Usually they have a button on them dont they
RiIey#0001: it didnt, i forgot to install the software lmao. got it all sorted out now
HappySlappyFace#0441: @Yon id wait, ryzen 5000 is getting announced in 4 days
nvidia 3070 and amd 6000 series at end of month
Yon#7961: @HappySlappyFace what about for intel
Yon#7961: do we still have to wait
HappySlappyFace#0441: idk about intel
HappySlappyFace#0441: i think they are releasing mobile cpus only
Alcyone#2233: I think 11th gen desktop chips will be out near Christmas give or take
mi3night#2562: @Alcyone yay
mi3night#2562: Ima get 10700k when it’s $250
mi3night#2562: Jk I doubt it will go down that much |
mi3night#2562: Probably still $320-350 when 11700k come out
OmegaChamp#6440: Should I get a used 2080 to or rtx 3070
mi3night#2562: 3070 but you have to wait until October the 30th if youre lucky and nvidia has their shit together and without supply issues like 3080 right now @OmegaChamp
mi3night#2562: The most I would pay for a used 2080 is no more than $400 as the 3070 beats the 2080ti as sources say
Alcyone#2233: you wont be able to get a gpu for like 2-3 months, any of them
MythologicalZ#3752: amd also have something coming up
mi3night#2562: Tbh at this point I don’t really care about amd
mi3night#2562: They fucked up Vega, now Navi
MythologicalZ#3752: Navi suffered with drivers, hardware itself was a good attempt
MythologicalZ#3752: Vega is just vega
mi3night#2562: Polaris is the less fucked up launch
mi3night#2562: But it’s meh
mi3night#2562: Not that strong
mi3night#2562: Only a 1060 competitor
mi3night#2562: And no one buys them in 2016/17 when eth mining drove the cards price to $400 while 1063 is like $250 |
MythologicalZ#3752: Nobody bought anything good when eth mining was profitable/popular on regular hardware
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: a friend of mine lives somewhere electricity is very unstable , everyday there is an outtage and when it comes back it can come back very intense and some devices in his house have previously been killed by this , hes afraid this could affect his pc , like lets assume this triggers ovp or somthing everyday can the like....mechnism not work at some point from how often it happens?
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: and plz ping me
MythologicalZ#3752: I've never heard of ovp/ocp/whatever just flatout stopping because of power outages
MythologicalZ#3752: In my experience living in shitty areas the PSUs normally just die
MythologicalZ#3752: Occasionally they take the board with them too
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: bruh
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like outtages happen literally everyday
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: for him
Alcyone#2233: a good quality surge protector for the pc should be fine
DarknessFalls229#2286: perhaps a UPS is good aswell
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: whats a surge protector 😅
DarknessFalls229#2286: you know surgeons right?
DarknessFalls229#2286: well its completely unrelated to that
Alcyone#2233: a ups is good if there are frequent outages |
DarknessFalls229#2286: an electrical surge is when theres an overcurrent/voltage
DarknessFalls229#2286: so a surge protector is supposed to prevent it from doing damage
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: hm
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: are they expensive?
DarknessFalls229#2286: shouldnt be too bad
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: and does input voltage matter
DarknessFalls229#2286: like you can get a power brick with a surge protector built in
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: like 120 or 240
DarknessFalls229#2286: dunno
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > like you can get a power brick with a surge protector built in
@DarknessFalls229 thought it was some thingy that plugged in
Alcyone#2233: its just a power strip with a fast acting breaker inside
DarknessFalls229#2286: you know electrical circuits run in parallel?
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: only very recently i do yes
DarknessFalls229#2286: so plugging a device in wont really do anything |
Alcyone#2233: like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/762726047119572992/51oAUOy8m9L.png
DarknessFalls229#2286: you need to plu it in serially, so it can stop the current
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: (cause im studying that stuff rn)
Alcyone#2233: make sure its a surge protector and not a power strip though
Alcyone#2233: there should be some reset on it
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: hm
Alcyone#2233: everyone should be using one for your sensitive electronics
DarknessFalls229#2286: here the powers pretty damn stable so we dont really have to worry about it
Alcyone#2233: I just found a neat automatic one at the thrift store so now most of my desk is triggered by the pc power button
DarknessFalls229#2286: really?
Alcyone#2233: yeah has an adjustable diode or somehing in it and a relay
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: > make sure its a surge protector and not a power strip though
@Alcyone i dont think sellers where he lives would be educated enough to know the difference :P , i wouldnt
Alcyone#2233: you plug the master device into the first slot and turn it on then it triggers the rest of the outlets
Muse#0557: Us power is weird |
Alcyone#2233: im sure they make them in 240v
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: wym master plug
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: doesnt the wire connect to the outlet
Alcyone#2233: lemme see if I can find it online.
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: he can order from amazon
Alcyone#2233: yes the master outlet on the strip always has power, but only when it is drawing current do the other outlets activate
Alcyone#2233: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/762727967063277648/71REH0K-84L.png
Alcyone#2233: blue and red are always on, green is only on when blue is pulling amperage. the threshold is adjustable with a little screw on the side
Alcyone#2233: I have the pc tower on blue and the monitors + audio on green so all I have to do is mash the power button on the case to turn it all on or select shutdown in windows to power it all off. Lamp and phone charger are on the red always on so I can use them anytime. it was like $4 and I think its pretty neat
Muse#0557: Bruh
Muse#0557: You guys stink at making power outlets
Alcyone#2233: backup moment, this has been running for like half an hour https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/762729605865930782/unknown.png
Alcyone#2233: maybe longer
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/762729880638849044/71rzy2ARMOL._AC_SY355_.jpg
Muse#0557: Ive got this under my desk |
Muse#0557: Uk plugs are best fight me
Alcyone#2233: never used one. must be fake
Muse#0557: Theyre a bitch to stand on though
Alcyone#2233: we have 120v like 15a-20a circuits in homes. outlets arent the issue
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: im back
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: sorry had to go for a bit
Muse#0557: Can't you like
Muse#0557: Just stick your fingers in
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: @Alcyone so surge protectors are either something u install inside ur house or these dudamadats
Alcyone#2233: these are the easy and cheap ones
Alcyone#2233: the other ones you have to replace the breaker for the entire circuit the room is on
the aggresive toilet flusher#1414: dont think thats an option for him
mi3night#2562: Is plugging a power extender into another power extender a good idea?
Alcyone#2233: daisy chaining power strips is not a good idea
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^^ |
Lady Mipha#0611: because the further you go the worse it gets
Lady Mipha#0611: > Theyre a bitch to stand on though
@Muse ours are worse https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/762875545029312532/image0.jpg
Muse#0557: Yours don't land flat on their back
Muse#0557: Every single time
Lady Mipha#0611: that’s the thing ours can
Muse#0557: I don't see a flat back?
mi3night#2562: @Alcyone why daisy chain is a bad idea
mi3night#2562: For power plugs
Lady Mipha#0611: over ampage
Lady Mipha#0611: basically if you blow one power plug @mi3night you blow all the others in the chain
Lady Mipha#0611: doesn't matter the positon
RiIey#0001: Will my cpu bottleneck if I throw a 1660 in my pc
Lady Mipha#0611: no @RiIey
mi3night#2562: @RiIey ur good until 2060s |
mi3night#2562: Or maybe 2070
mi3night#2562: So like 1080 perf
mi3night#2562: Don’t be like Barry when he SLI 1080ti on his 3930k
Muse#0557: A 2070 is not good for a 3930k
mi3night#2562: 2070 is like a 1080 right ?
mi3night#2562: It can do 1080
Muse#0557: A 2060s is a 1080 ish
Muse#0557: Just because you can
Muse#0557: Doesnt mean you should
Muse#0557: And in a lot of games the 3930k will bottleneck to shit
mi3night#2562: 3930k is a sandy 6c12t
Muse#0557: Yeh
Muse#0557: It is
mi3night#2562: Depends if he overclocked it or not
Muse#0557: Exactly |
Muse#0557: Not really
Muse#0557: I wouldn't pair it with over a 1070 1660S
mi3night#2562: it's not that bad...
mi3night#2562: 4.8ghz overclock and it can match 1600x
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvc43bgASBQ
Muse#0557: 4.8
Muse#0557: What drugs are you on
Muse#0557: That's like
Muse#0557: 480mm dual rads in ice
Muse#0557: Perfect bin
Muse#0557: 2gb of ram
Muse#0557: Gets through one run level
Muse#0557: Not is a good match for a 2070
Muse#0557: Lmao
mi3night#2562: stock is like 970CB |
mi3night#2562: r5 1600 gets 1100-1150
Muse#0557: Because CB15
Muse#0557: Is the gold benchmark
mi3night#2562: what else
Muse#0557: Youre pulling a hyperstar
mi3night#2562: what else is there?
Muse#0557: Gaming benchmarks
mi3night#2562: ok
Muse#0557: It is not stacking up
mi3night#2562: wdym
Muse#0557: Overclocked to the wall it gets clapped by a stock 1600
Muse#0557: And even then the 1600 isnt exactly fast
mi3night#2562: overclocked to the wall gets 1220cb
mi3night#2562: lmfao
Muse#0557: Thats fucking |
Muse#0557: Ice buckets
Muse#0557: Radiators dunked into ice
mi3night#2562: stock gets 970
mi3night#2562: like stock
Muse#0557: Yeh
Muse#0557: No scaling
Muse#0557: If a 1.5GHz oc only gets you 300 more points
mi3night#2562: also sandy is really good at overclocking according to @Alcyone but idk about 2011 tho
mi3night#2562: might just be 1155
mi3night#2562: tbh tho
Muse#0557: Good at getting high clocks doesnt mean performs well
mi3night#2562: explain
Muse#0557: Myth if you respond please read everything before saying something 🙏
Muse#0557: A 3930k at 4.8Ghz (stocks is 3.3Ghz) thats nearly a 50% increase in clocks only nets you 25% better perf
FantaStick#8008: fx at 5.0ghz is just as useless as fx at 3.0ghz |
Muse#0557: Youre not gonna get above 4.2Ghz on air thats stable daily
mi3night#2562: it boosts to 3.8ghz stock @Muse
Muse#0557: ..
mi3night#2562: stock 3.3 but it boost
Muse#0557: Midnight
Muse#0557: Stop being hyperstar
Muse#0557: Oh my x58 xeons get big points in cinebench
Muse#0557: Look 2 cpus make 10% more points
mi3night#2562: i know single core matters too
Muse#0557: You pointed out that a 4.8ghz barely beats a bone stock 1600x
Muse#0557: I would argue that the 1600/X arent great gaming cpus and wont hold going forward because zen 1 had a fair few issues
Muse#0557: And those blitz the 3930k
Muse#0557: What is there to argue here
Muse#0557: Youre just gonna look questionable
mi3night#2562: im just saying that it can do better than a 1070 |
mi3night#2562: ok ok
mi3night#2562: let's say
Muse#0557: It cant tho
mi3night#2562: 1070ti?
mi3night#2562: deal
mi3night#2562: moose im gonna kiss you
Muse#0557: There's no point putting a hard cut off
BigPierogi#3368: I don't get how it can meet in the middle
mi3night#2562: it's a joke
BigPierogi#3368: Your jokes suck
Muse#0557: > I don't get how it can meet in the middle
@BigPierogi yeh ik ive slammed him
mi3night#2562: this debate is worse than the debate i watched a week ago
Muse#0557: Why? Because youre wrong?
Muse#0557: Youre just causing issues here buddy |
Muse#0557: Unironically its not funny
mi3night#2562: no im just saying that the 3930k isnt as bad
Muse#0557: No
mi3night#2562: i mean
Muse#0557: You said someone is fine to use it
mi3night#2562: 2600k is better for gaming
Muse#0557: You offered advice
Muse#0557: That is bad
Muse#0557: And i was showing it was bad
mi3night#2562: i said 2070 and 1080 and you said 1070 or something
mi3night#2562: that was the argument right?
Muse#0557: No
Muse#0557: Youre genuinely just being annoying
mi3night#2562: what was the argument
Muse#0557: And looking dense |
mi3night#2562: ok
Muse#0557: There isnt an arguement
Muse#0557: You gave bad advice
Muse#0557: I said its bad
mi3night#2562: ._.
Muse#0557: Because i dont want someone taking what youve said
Muse#0557: And being disappointed by a bottleneck
Muse#0557: Just own it
Muse#0557: And move on
mi3night#2562: tbf
mi3night#2562: @RiIey upgrade ur cpu first to a r3 3100 or similar then upgrade ur gpu
mi3night#2562: is that a advise ?
mi3night#2562: @Muse
Muse#0557: You really trying to be smug and a smartarse after looking as dense as an engine block
Muse#0557: Aight im out |
mi3night#2562: ok
mi3night#2562: cya
Muse#0557: @mi3night Bottom line, either stop spouting rubbish when people ask questions then being a smug little arse about it when youre proven wrong or just stay away from this im going to go call the teacher now because this really wasnt needed
Muse#0557: @Budget
Muse#0557: Toodles lads
mi3night#2562: you didnt really have to ping budget for this
mi3night#2562: but we drew to a conclusion right? of him upgrading his cpu first then his gpu?
TheFifthAce#4128: how is midnight not banned from this channel already
mi3night#2562: because i did give out helpful advices ?
mi3night#2562: such as helping people with their builds and laptops?
mi3night#2562: i think i might've exaggerated the performance of the 3930k though
mi3night#2562: i apologize on that
mi3night#2562: can we just move on please
The United States Air Force#7904: > fx at 5.0ghz is just as useless as fx at 3.0ghz
@FantaStick not really, it gets hotter so you can heat a bigger room |
D.D.M#8226: :Hahahahaha:
Lady Mipha#0611: :Hahahahaha:
Lady Mipha#0611: the space heater becomes more efficient at high clock speeds
deterdzeno#8387: i love the retardation of the arguments here, really funny to read.
MythologicalZ#3752: why would the 2600k be better than the 3930k for gaming
MythologicalZ#3752: theyre both sandy and one is a hexa core
MythologicalZ#3752: with the advantages of quad channel and a bigger ihs for cooling
Budget#8265: Problemo solved. The only thing I can think of would be cost/dollar
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah x79 will cost more since old hedt and people talking about the socket a lot
RiIey#0001: Bruh yall had a full blown debate 😳
D.D.M#8226: Hey guys so my friend has recently complained to me that cod warzone on his pc would start and get to the selection screen and crash to the desktop with no error. When relaunching in to the game when the game said use safe mode same thing happens. We reinstalled the game, updated to the latest nvidia drivers and even reinstalled the graphics drivers and nothing worked.
Any ideas?
Specs are
i5 9400 (h i think)
16 gb ddr4 2600mhz |
Gtx 1650
Budget#8265: @D.D.M Did you try DDU and Reinstall the latest stable ones
D.D.M#8226: Well i didn't use ddu but i did install the latest stable update
deterdzeno#8387: @D.D.M its warzone, also happend to me, had no fix for it so i just uninstalled it. i would try running the game as admin and trying out the compability modes.
Foxious#1859: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485537826897788929/763455389982654505/20201007_203901.jpg?width=344&height=459
Foxious#1859: need help identifying this case
Foxious#1859: around from 2007
Foxious#1859: possibly
Foxious#1859: Please respond with a @Foxious , cheers
mi3night#2562: @Foxious side panel?
Foxious#1859: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485537826897788929/763454925895630878/20201007_203710.jpg?width=344&height=459 no other pics
Foxious#1859: @mi3night
mi3night#2562: Since it has a windows sticker like that on it
mi3night#2562: I think it’s a OEM
mi3night#2562: Check for model numbers to the case |
mi3night#2562: Any serial number
mi3night#2562: Cuz identifying case is super hard in my experience if it’s a OEM case
mi3night#2562: @Foxious
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^
Foxious#1859: its not an OEM case...
Foxious#1859: also... if i had the model numbers, i would not have to ask
Foxious#1859: as i can just google em
mi3night#2562: I suggest you to take it to Reddit and ask them. There’s a bigger crowd there and more people will help you out @Foxious
JustinXenyx#8854: > because i did give out helpful advices ?
midnight, i think the times this is true is MASSIVELY outweighed by how much bullshit you just spew out sometimes
Deleted User#0000: Hello I'm on a budget, and I was wondering what is the cheapest cpu for 1080p streaming?
Deleted User#0000: I plan to enter ROG Rig Reboot next year in hopes of something more powerful but my Pentium E5300 is so slow it causes my keybaord rgb to lag its so slow
Racey#8574: What's your budget for a CPU
Deleted User#0000: I'm pretty flexible though I would prefer it to stay under 100$
Racey#8574: what's your preferred online retailer |
Deleted User#0000: Along as they dont steal my card info im good with whatever
Deleted User#0000: If youre implying ebay then I'd actually prefer ebay
Deleted User#0000: Used CPUs are preferred as im not afraid to go a few generations back
Racey#8574: for new I found an i3-9100F for $76.99 assuming it's USD
Racey#8574: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i3-9100F-4-Core-3-6-Ghz-4-2-GHz-Turbo-Processor-BX80684I39100F/183837249358?epid=17032785602&hash=item2acd8dcf4e:g:cRAAAOSwPdNc9~1h
Deleted User#0000: Well is there an even older option that may be cheaper?
Muse#0557: Ryzen 3 1200
Deleted User#0000: I'm sorry I just want to see how far my budget can stretch
Racey#8574: Muse is here so he can do you a better job
Deleted User#0000: Hello
Muse#0557: You're doing good
JustinXenyx#8854: @Racey why would you buy 1151 on a low budget though?
Deleted User#0000: Like I said I dont mind something older, as I'd also have to factor in a motherboard and ram because I'm on socket 775 ddr3
Racey#8574: ah
JustinXenyx#8854: Give us a more proper budget, $100 streaming CPU isn't going to give us anything workable |
Muse#0557: Decked what country are you in? Whats your total budget? Are you okey with going used? Don't put any faith in a giveaway also 🙏
JustinXenyx#8854: + streaming depends more on your GPU than CPU
Racey#8574: ^ this
JustinXenyx#8854: > Decked what country are you in? Whats your total budget? Are you okey with going used? Don't put any faith in a giveaway also 🙏
oh yeah, **really do not put faith or hope into giveaways**
Racey#8574: most (gaming) GPUs after 2013 come with dedicated encoders so streaming won't be a problem
Racey#8574: if you have one of those
Muse#0557: Just answer my questions then we can help
Deleted User#0000: > Decked what country are you in? Whats your total budget? Are you okey with going used? Don't put any faith in a giveaway also 🙏
@Muse US, total budget is honestly flexible. Tops 150 and used is preffered actually
Muse#0557: 150 for the whole system?
Racey#8574: my GTX 660 has 0 issues with streaming with it's dedicated encoder
Muse#0557: A 9100f isn't gonna fly then lmao
Deleted User#0000: Oh really?
Deleted User#0000: 660 you say? |
Muse#0557: Don't get a 660
Racey#8574: never
Muse#0557: Its just an example
Racey#8574: please don't
Racey#8574: please don't unironically get a GTX 660
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah, **AVOID KEPLER**
Racey#8574: kekler
Deleted User#0000: Oh lol
JustinXenyx#8854: Kepler sucks today because of neglected driver optimization and the miniscule amounts of VRAM compared to today
Deleted User#0000: Whats worse Kepler or terascale?
JustinXenyx#8854: Terascale by far, but your budget isn't low enough to justify terascale
Racey#8574: Terrorscare if I had to choose because kepler had slightly better drivers as I've heard
Deleted User#0000: I was possibly thinking 7870
JustinXenyx#8854: 7870 isn't Terascale
Deleted User#0000: I know im just putting it out there |
Muse#0557: I5 2400, 2500, 3450, 3470 etc
H61 board make sure it isnt oem or education junk show us before buying since there are weird locked models
8GB DDR3 (2x4GB)
500GB WD Blue
Small boot ssd
Fsp 350w 60THA or CX430 these are easy to find psus
RX 470/GTX 960 depending on what you can find (470 is the better play)
Then whatever is left on a case
Muse#0557: 🙏
Deleted User#0000: Ok well I have a 500gb samsung 860 and 8gb ready to go so thats good
JustinXenyx#8854: 500GB whatever, the brand really doesn't matter with hard drives
Deleted User#0000: No i have an ssd
Muse#0557: Blues and Barracuda are easy to find
JustinXenyx#8854: Barracudas i'd avoid actually lmao
Muse#0557: I just recommend what people won't be lost with |
Racey#8574: I use a barracuda personally and I don't have problems but that's just me and my experience
Deleted User#0000: The barracuda from my childhood family pc is finally dying
Deleted User#0000: Took 12 years
JustinXenyx#8854: Race i'm talking about old barracudas specifically
Racey#8574: oh I see
JustinXenyx#8854: Because those are the types you get used now
Deleted User#0000: I used Vista from 2008 to 2016 on that thing
JustinXenyx#8854: ideally 2008-2013 are the ones to avoid if i remember right
Muse#0557: You can find wd blues less than a decade old no problem
Deleted User#0000: Oh well maybe mine got there just before the storm
Muse#0557: Just make sure you wipe the shit out of it
Deleted User#0000: Ah yes
Deleted User#0000: For sure
Muse#0557: You already have a 860 evo
Muse#0557: So it doesn't matter |
Racey#8574: 860 Evo gang
JustinXenyx#8854: Ideally speaking, you would avoid used hard drives like the plague if i'm honest. Only use them, when you're that hard on cutting pennies
Muse#0557: I5 2400, 2500, 3450, 3470 etc
H61 board make sure it isnt oem or education junk show us before buying since there are weird locked models
8GB DDR3 (2x4GB)
Fsp 350w 60THA or CX430 VS 450 (if you must) also be quiet units are nice
RX 470/GTX 960 depending on what you can find (470 is the better play)
Then whatever is left on a case
Muse#0557: Just follow that
Muse#0557: And you'll be golden
Muse#0557: I can dm it to you if youd like
JustinXenyx#8854: > 150 for the whole system?
has this been answered thus far?
JustinXenyx#8854: because i heard 100 for a cpu alone before
Racey#8574: he said his budget would be 150 maximum iirc |
Racey#8574: > US, total budget is honestly flexible. Tops 150 and used is preffered actually
Deleted User#0000: I5 2500k is ddr3 correct?
Muse#0557: Then why did you recommend a 75 buck cpu
Muse#0557: Yes 2500k is ddr3
Deleted User#0000: I have some dodgy but functional ram
Muse#0557: Anything pre skylake is
JustinXenyx#8854: @Muse he said $100 for the cpu before my guy
Deleted User#0000: Ok great
Muse#0557: Im confused ngl
JustinXenyx#8854: Another thing i'd like to mention: if you have enough flexibility, buy yourself a **new** case and power supply
BigPierogi#3368: if hes on 775
BigPierogi#3368: wouldnt he also need a motherboard
BigPierogi#3368: and ram
BigPierogi#3368: possibly
Muse#0557: ._. |
Racey#8574: general rule of thumb don't skimp on PSU
Muse#0557: I would just like a clean answer
Muse#0557: Rather than everyone assuming
JustinXenyx#8854: It may seem stupid right now, but later you is going to thank you for it
> Another thing i'd like to mention: if you have enough flexibility, buy yourself a **new** case and power supply
Muse#0557: Yeh getting a new low end be quiet is the play imo
Racey#8574: the PSU is the last thing you'll want to cut your budget on
Deleted User#0000: Oh yeah no great wall psus for me
Muse#0557: @Deleted User What is your total budget for a whole system
Deleted User#0000: 200$
Muse#0557: Am i
Muse#0557: Being fucked with
Muse#0557: My brain
Deleted User#0000: I'm sorry man
Deleted User#0000: But 200$ is final |
Deleted User#0000: Is that enough?
Racey#8574: no I think he was just confused since earlier you said 150 tops
Muse#0557: 200 is good
BigPierogi#3368: i dont think thats the problem
BigPierogi#3368: i think the problem was there were 3 prices said
BigPierogi#3368: so he got confused
Deleted User#0000: Yeah my budget is all over the place I'm very sorry
Racey#8574: yeah
Racey#8574: it's all good
Muse#0557: Lets you get a new psu and case
Muse#0557: I recommend the low end be quiets and a game max expedition personally
Muse#0557: They look sleek and are quality and good to build with
JustinXenyx#8854: gamemax expedition sounds kinda dodgy tbh
Muse#0557: Nah theyre great
Deleted User#0000: Game max is safe? |
Muse#0557: I was skeptical
Racey#8574: the name sounds dodgy to me lmao
JustinXenyx#8854: OH CASE
JustinXenyx#8854: I THOUGHT IT WAS A PSU
JustinXenyx#8854: :haha:
Racey#8574: oh shit lmao
Deleted User#0000: LOL
Muse#0557: But they're the best budget case ive touched
Muse#0557: Ive tried like 15 different cases at this point
Racey#8574: :Hahahahaha:
JustinXenyx#8854: am a bit sketch in regards to airflow, but for a budget case it suffices
Muse#0557: It looks sleek without being tacky
Deleted User#0000: I could use a thinkcentre case that I got from my uncle for free
Muse#0557: I would rather lick the third rail than use a game max psu
Deleted User#0000: I was going to spray paint the inside balck |
JustinXenyx#8854: That probably won't fit regular ATX motherboards
Deleted User#0000: No its fairly standard
Muse#0557: Thinkcentre cases are upside down iirc
Muse#0557: A lot are atleast
Deleted User#0000: Psu is on top
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd take the standoffs out though, some paint isn't really ideal for touching motherboards
Deleted User#0000: I did
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763533999091220520/GMX-EXPEDITION-BLK-NEW-01_1.jpeg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763533999372894208/gmxcsexpeditionblk_3.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763533999552462879/95a01eb3852b526f845ff853231ae649-hi.jpg
Muse#0557: The fan is bad
Muse#0557: Junk them
Muse#0557: Get some corsair or nzxt one off ebay
Muse#0557: But i think its a good looking case
Muse#0557: And its so easy to build in
Racey#8574: it looks relatively spacious
Muse#0557: I cant fault it tbh |
Muse#0557: Apart from the fan
Muse#0557: But i just buy an nzxt 120mm for like £3
Muse#0557: In flip computers
Muse#0557: And its like the s340 fans i think
Deleted User#0000: Will oem 960s work the same?
Racey#8574: OEM GTX 960s?
Deleted User#0000: Yes
Racey#8574: yes they should work like a normal GTX 960 apart from branding and shroud iirc
Deleted User#0000: I've found one for a dell
Deleted User#0000: And we all know how dell is with oem things, so I just wanted to make sure
Deleted User#0000: Well this is a shame
Muse#0557: Look for 470s first
Deleted User#0000: It appears that 4 dimm slot has boards are not really a common occurance
Muse#0557: Im not from the us
Deleted User#0000: Also the 960 was cheaper |
Muse#0557: Right
Muse#0557: Umm most cheap h61 is dual channel
Deleted User#0000: H61 not has
Muse#0557: So if you have the money for 16gb
Muse#0557: Then id go for it
Deleted User#0000: I mean is ddr3 cheap?
Muse#0557: Its like
Muse#0557: $40 for 16gb
Muse#0557: Make sure its not ecc
Muse#0557: Ecc wont work
Deleted User#0000: Ah I've never owned a pc with 16gb
Racey#8574: doesn't ECC disable itself in newer boards
Racey#8574: I wouldn't buy ECC regardless though
Deleted User#0000: Oh wow that seems like a lovely feature
Racey#8574: error correction code memory iirc |
Muse#0557: Ecc ram
Muse#0557: Just wont work
Racey#8574: it's for servers
Muse#0557: It wont boot
The United States Air Force#7904: Not on my ecc memory and mobo cuz ecc @Racey
The United States Air Force#7904: Just like noise said
The United States Air Force#7904: Moose
The United States Air Force#7904: I mean
Deleted User#0000: No way I've found 16gb 1866mhz for 30$
Deleted User#0000: Not even no name its crucial!
Deleted User#0000: AND BRAND NEW!?
Muse#0557: Is it ecc
Deleted User#0000: Nope
Deleted User#0000: It would appear we are at 193$ with no psu or case
Deleted User#0000: I might just not get a case |
Deleted User#0000: What if i got a delta psu?
Muse#0557: Breakdown the costs for me
Muse#0557: Dont get a 2500k
Muse#0557: Youre on a locked board
Deleted User#0000: Oh i am?
Deleted User#0000: How much more for an unlocked one?
Muse#0557: Like 70
Muse#0557: So save money and get a 2400 or 3450
Deleted User#0000: Hmm, im sorry. But I think i might go for a budget of 250$
Deleted User#0000: Flexibility meets uncertainty
Muse#0557: Just
Muse#0557: Umm
Muse#0557: FSP 350w 60THA
Muse#0557: Put that in ebay
Muse#0557: Whats the lowest price |
Deleted User#0000: Jazzy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763538715221033010/Screenshot_20201007-191004_eBay.jpg
Deleted User#0000: Would a 280w psu work by chance?
Muse#0557: Thats a thn
Muse#0557: It doesnt have a 6 pin
Muse#0557: Just make sure it has a 6 pin pcie connector to power the graphics card
Deleted User#0000: Sata to 6pin exists right?
Muse#0557: Theyre not dependable
Deleted User#0000: Ah
Muse#0557: Find something with a 6 pin thats from a good brand so evga, corsair, evga, fsp, delta, be quiet maybe cooler master
Muse#0557: Then a case
Muse#0557: I hope i helped
Deleted User#0000: I've done it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763540385074774046/Screenshot_20201007-191634_eBay.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763540385396948992/Screenshot_20201007-191642_eBay.jpg
Deleted User#0000: Thank you so much
Deleted User#0000: This is good right?
Muse#0557: Cpu cooler is a no from me |
Deleted User#0000: Ah what should I do about that
Muse#0557: Honestly just search cpu cooler
Muse#0557: And get the first one that looks atleast as good
Muse#0557: Just make sure its not 40 days shipping from china or hong kong
Deleted User#0000: Got a 212 evo
Muse#0557: Add the 2500k back
Muse#0557: Its faster
Muse#0557: And cheaper
Muse#0557: Also guaranteed to work without a bios update
Deleted User#0000: OK FINALLY LOL https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763541941542715402/Screenshot_20201007-192242_eBay.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763541941962801222/Screenshot_20201007-192251_eBay.jpg
Muse#0557: I legit think a vs 450/ cx 430 costs less new lmao
Muse#0557: Thafs the final issue i see
Deleted User#0000: God dammit muse
Muse#0557: I would also triple check the ram isnt ecc
Muse#0557: That price is way too good |
Deleted User#0000: ITS NOT LOL ikr its such a good deal
Muse#0557: Gimme the product number
Muse#0557: So i can sleep at night
Deleted User#0000: Also cx44p is more
Deleted User#0000: And ill get you it
Deleted User#0000: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763542521619546133/Screenshot_20201007-192517_eBay.jpg
Deleted User#0000: Oh god
Deleted User#0000: :(
Deleted User#0000: Its rdimm
Deleted User#0000: Aka registered dimm
Muse#0557: Rip
Muse#0557: You're welcome
Muse#0557: That im cautious
Deleted User#0000: Yeah lol
Deleted User#0000: 1 MORE TIME https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763544141996490782/Screenshot_20201007-193130_eBay.jpg,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/763544142386823209/Screenshot_20201007-193136_eBay.jpg |
Deleted User#0000: Even got the white heatspreder hyperx stuff
Deleted User#0000: Thanks again dude you helped me a ton
Muse#0557: Np
JustinXenyx#8854: GPU is quite pricy for $90 @Deleted User
JustinXenyx#8854: Like step up a *little* more and you can easily buy a 470
JustinXenyx#8854: which will outperform a 960 by a solid bit
JustinXenyx#8854: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SAPPHIRE-PULSE-RX570-4GB-VIDEO-CARD-BACKPLATE/184474470467
JustinXenyx#8854: Like i don't quite know how much shipping is on that 570, but it'll destroy a 960 by a decent bit
Muse#0557: He said that 960s were way cheaper
Muse#0557: And i wasnt digigng through US ebay lmao
sandrosandro482#8710: I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me
sandrosandro482#8710: https://photos.app.goo.gl/3NB81wy4vR85hseT7
This thing refuses to boot it's just stuck at a black screen after showing me the little boot progress circle thingy
sandrosandro482#8710: It boots in safe mode consistently
sandrosandro482#8710: Makes no sense to me |
sandrosandro482#8710: It's a fresh install btw
Un karr#9168: thats really weird, normally this means that your install is corrupted but i dont think that is the reason
sandrosandro482#8710: Yeah
sandrosandro482#8710: I got a fresh usb yesterday
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Check the ISO you are using
mi3night#2562: @sandrosandro482 check the install on your main pc
mi3night#2562: So take the ssd out of your laptop and boot it off your pc
mi3night#2562: See if your pc can boot to widows without safe mode
sandrosandro482#8710: It's a pc
sandrosandro482#8710: And has an hdd
sandrosandro482#8710: I fixed the problem
sandrosandro482#8710: My gpu was pushing against the sata port
mi3night#2562: Oh what the lmao
Budget#8265: unique issue
Xbox 360 1953#2640: could anyone recommend me a 950$ laptop for gaming? |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Don't really know what to look for in laptops
JustinXenyx#8854: An issue i personally found myself in regarding laptops in general is that specs really don't mean anything
JustinXenyx#8854: Like you can have 3 laptops with exact 1:1 specs, but all of them performing wildly different
Xbox 360 1953#2640: yeah, thats what I was gonna say
JustinXenyx#8854: Ideally speaking, you'd be best off looking at what you can find, then trying to find reviews for it etc and that's how you would come to a conclusion
JustinXenyx#8854: Because laptops aren't about pure specs, they're a bit more personal in that regard
JustinXenyx#8854: You gotta decide for yourself if you want good battery life at full filt, a good display, good specs etc etc
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I'll see about doing that, thanks
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Rules of thumb: Always get a 1080p IPS screen or better, and always buy a machine a bit stronger than your current needs(trust me on this)
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And get something with an SSD out of the box and 2 slots for RAM sticks and some sort of fan control(not power control, don't confuse them, again, trust me on this)
mi3night#2562: @Xbox 360 1953 I recommend you to go to your local tech shop to see which gaming laptop fits you such as external build quality, weight, keyboard, trackpad, and the overall size
Then come back and we will discuss the cooling, reliability, and other topics
mi3night#2562: But this is what I believe is the best for the buyer so that when the laptop arrives and you don’t get buyers remorse because the you hate the keyboard or the material the laptop was built in feels weird or it might be heavier than you thought it would be even though you saw the weight listed on the website
Muse#0557: who is going to a local tech shop touching things during covid? |
mi3night#2562: everyone that i know
mi3night#2562: get a pair of gloves
mi3night#2562: thats what I say
mi3night#2562: But still
mi3night#2562: Even if they don’t touch it, at least they can see it irl
mi3night#2562: For gaming laptops right on the top of my head I think of Lenovo legion 5
mi3night#2562: 4800h 2060
mi3night#2562: If the price is raised then a similar non discount model is 4600h 1660ti for $950
mi3night#2562: I really dig the design of legion 5 because it looks pretty professional instead of full gaming style
mi3night#2562: https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-1920x1080-Processor-Windows-82B1000AUS/dp/B08BB9RWXD/ref=asc_df_B08BB9RWXD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459623382939&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=549264191590459707&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1013962&hvtargid=pla-1000827353687&psc=1
mi3night#2562: This is a 4800h but with a 1660ti for $988
mi3night#2562: Asus TUF A15 also exists but I didn’t have much luck with asus laptops in the past
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Damn 4800H and 1660 Ti with 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD for a hair under $1000
mi3night#2562: Also 144hz ips screen
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ```PROS: |
- build quality is excellent,
- specs are insane,
- 2.5kg and the dimensions make it really portable,
- screen is amazing! 144Hz and 300nits.
- Ryzen 7 4800H...
- GTX 1660ti is great for video editing and gaming!
- laptop feels premium!
CONS:
- speakers are mediocre. Volume is decent but the sound quality is ok.
-battery is really bad...less that 4 hours.
- there is no international warranty (now this is Lenovo fault)!
To be honest, this laptop is best buy at this price (999$). I'm really glad I bought it!
|
Edit:
There is a lot of problems with Linux...
I actually thought Lenovo was the best with open source drivers and support for Linux...I was wrong.
```
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: There's this review
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: From Amazon
mi3night#2562: Most gamers have a headset so speakers are out of question
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Bad battery, speakers, and nonexistent Linux support
mi3night#2562: Battery life wise, it’s a gaming laptop duh
mi3night#2562: Also Linux. Gamers use windows
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: True that
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I was expecting about ~5 hours tho
mi3night#2562: If he wants something with good specs, good speaker, really good battery, and portability get dell xps
mi3night#2562: But that’s MacBook pricing so he can’t afford it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Acceptable trade-offs I guess
mi3night#2562: I tell creators who want a MacBook alternative for a xps
mi3night#2562: It does the same job as a MacBook but better
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What about those Gigabyte ones with OLED screens?
mi3night#2562: Better cooling, screen, and upgrade but MacBook still have better trackpad
mi3night#2562: They’re expensive
mi3night#2562: The gigabyte oled screen ones
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Hmm
mi3night#2562: Or you’re talking about mini led
mi3night#2562: I forgot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Mini LED is for MSI(?) I think?
mi3night#2562: Dell xps, being a MacBook competitor have 2nvme slots and sodimm
mi3night#2562: And no glued batteries
mi3night#2562: That’s what I think the ultra book industry is lacking rn
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Aside from the Legion Gaming one, are there any other options? Maybe Clevo or Tongfang machines? HP, Dell? |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh and we should check if it's the 80Wh or 60Wh version for the Lenovo
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: This is the 5-hour 60Wh version
mi3night#2562: As far as I know only g5 SE have ryzen
mi3night#2562: But
mi3night#2562: Amd dgpu which have driver problem
mi3night#2562: HP wise, they have a pretty decent ultra book for $899 which has a 4800h inside but no dgpu
mi3night#2562: And if he want a OMEN he’s looking at $1249
mi3night#2562: @Charlie Foxtrot don’t u love how the OG asker just left
mi3night#2562: I wouldn’t do this but this is a hella weird idea
mi3night#2562: https://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30766
mi3night#2562: Get this thing, get r5 3600 and 16gb of ram for $300
mi3night#2562: And boom
mi3night#2562: Again
mi3night#2562: Don’t roast me for this
mi3night#2562: It’s a weird idea |
mi3night#2562: But it’s funny
JustinXenyx#8854: > Bad battery, speakers, and nonexistent Linux support
@Charlie Foxtrot it has an Nvidia GPU, what do you expect
mi3night#2562: ^^
mi3night#2562: 5600m on the g5 SE exists but drivers
mi3night#2562: Ohhh you’re talking about Linux support
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah that thing looks good....if you have the cash
mi3night#2562: It’s fun
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Over $1000
mi3night#2562: But I wouldn’t recommend it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: With a 3600
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Why?
mi3night#2562: Clevo advertise their battery as a UPS
mi3night#2562: You know the battery life is gonna be non existent even if it has a r5 3600 in it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Cap it at 1.5Ghz :Hahahahaha: |
JustinXenyx#8854: Clevo would be more correct with that though
mi3night#2562: It’s meant to be plugged in at all times
mi3night#2562: IIRC
JustinXenyx#8854: They know those laptops won't be used for any mobile on-battery stuff, the people that buy them know that too
mi3night#2562: It’s a fun project I can see but not for practical use
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.eluktronics.com/RP-15/
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Ryzen with 115W RTX 2060
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > Cap it at 1.5Ghz :Hahahahaha:
I am actually wondering what would happen if you cap a 6-core CPU at 2Ghz or lower
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Would the number of cores be able to compensate for the low clock speed?
JustinXenyx#8854: the short answer is no and the long answer is fuck no
JustinXenyx#8854: You'd be better off compensating cores and clockspeed at the same time for a modest experience
mi3night#2562: No lol
mi3night#2562: I have no idea what r5 3600 would equal to in terms of power and heat draw compared to other mobile cous
mi3night#2562: If I have to guess? 10850h? Or 10750h? |
JustinXenyx#8854: Midnight we have Zen 2 mobile
JustinXenyx#8854: Why compare to Intel
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Lol
mi3night#2562: Rn it’s 4900h
mi3night#2562: That’s the best Zen2 mobile cpu right?
mi3night#2562: I bet it’s still cooler than 10300h
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yep
JustinXenyx#8854: 4600H should be the closest comparison to a regular R5 3600
mi3night#2562: No I meant in terms of thermals and heat
mi3night#2562: And power draw
JustinXenyx#8854: Midnight, you literally cannot compare that fairly
JustinXenyx#8854: > 4600H should be the closest comparison to a regular R5 3600
that's not even accurate, the 4600H is going to reek against a 3600 in a lot of stuff because of the massive L3 cache size difference
mi3night#2562: 4600h is still better than 10750h if I’m correct
mi3night#2562: Both 6c12t |
mi3night#2562: Iirc 10750h is a refresh of 9750h which is a refresh of 8750h @JustinXenyx
mi3night#2562: I think I might be wrong
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Haha 14nm goes +++++
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > No I meant in terms of thermals and heat
@mi3night lol every laptop has a different design so it is impossible
mi3night#2562: Idk at this point
mi3night#2562: I might commit arm MacBook then get laughed at for being a 1st gen adopter
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Actually I am interested in the GPU performance
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Of ARM Macbooks
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And whether there is an implementation of Bootcamp which allows you to install Linux or Windows 😎
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @mi3night You think they will do an Intel 2006 move and stop supporting older Intel Macs right after ARM ones come out?
mi3night#2562: tbf i doubt it becasue if they do that then many of the peoples who bought mac pros and macbook pros are going to lose faith in apple @Charlie Foxtrot
mi3night#2562: i mean if i spent 20 grand on a machine and it get discontinued in 3 years i be pissed
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But how did they get away last time?
mi3night#2562: yeah true about that |
mi3night#2562: but as of now
mi3night#2562: it's very uncertain
mi3night#2562: because the mac population right now is WAY more than what it is before
mi3night#2562: thats what i think how apple got away with it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Anyways it's your daily dose of Apple bad
mi3night#2562: lmfao
mi3night#2562: i was just joking about the arm macbook part
mi3night#2562: im still a gamer you know
mi3night#2562: im better off buying a ipad air instead of getting a arm macbook
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Apple and gamer
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Words that should never exist in the same sentence
mi3night#2562: steve jobs tried
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Nintendo 64 emulator lmao
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80guchXqz14
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eZ2yvWl9nQ |
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqMcqRI-xA
mi3night#2562: he also showed off quake 3 arena
mi3night#2562: and r6
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Jobs was one of us
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Sad
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2vxYnAZf0
mi3night#2562: 1:18:32
mi3night#2562: @Charlie Foxtrot
mi3night#2562: classic games
mi3night#2562: this is like during the good ages of mac
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > Jobs was one of us
And I guess Tim Cook is the imposter
mi3night#2562: ONE push handle and u see everything in ur pc
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: A laptop in an envelope
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Well, the Macbook Air at first was sorta bad |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But it was revolutionary at the time
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I miss old Apple
mi3night#2562: i like the apple watches
mi3night#2562: they're just way better than the competition imo
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Wait why am I lamenting my mortal enemy
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Time to get another dose of Apple Bad
mi3night#2562: it's ok to be unbiased at once
mi3night#2562: ok
mi3night#2562: your stage
mi3night#2562: say it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Reeeeee Type-C connectors reeeeee
mi3night#2562: lmfao
mi3night#2562: XPS and surface: just look and smile
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Noooooooooo
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I am moving back to my HP and Acer |
JustinXenyx#8854: > But how did they get away last time?
@Charlie Foxtrot PowerPC macs weren't really strongly adopted at the time iirc
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Someone's trying to tell me that the Asus a15 proc is socketed
Xbox 360 1953#2640: How do I nicely tell them they are have the stupid
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Give them a picture of the motherboard lol
Xbox 360 1953#2640: They claim to have seen the internals
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Pull up the AMD spec sheet and the Notebookcheck article for the 4800H
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Highlight the BGA word
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Then politely say: "Your brain is so minute, that if a hungry cannibal cracked your head open, there wouldn't be enough to cover a small wafer biscuit."
mi3night#2562: If ryzen mobile is socketed then :woag: :simp:
Racey#8574: Haven't heard of a socketed mobile CPU in 6 years
mi3night#2562: Unless you put 1151 or am4 into a laptop like clevo
D.D.M#8226: I know dell made a laptop with a socketed cpu not too long ago
Foxious#1859: @MythologicalZ i saw your role and that you werent playing any game, is pinging you a crime? as i have a tech releated question
JustinXenyx#8854: How about you ping ~the role~ instead and directly ask your question? |
JustinXenyx#8854: :Xdxdxd:
MythologicalZ#3752: Cant guarantee I'll have an answer but I dont mind pings
Foxious#1859: true that, and thanks mate
Foxious#1859: just wondering
Foxious#1859: as i have a high end motherboard from the era, should a I7 3770K bring a significant upgrade over the I4 3570K i have currently?
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah it would
MythologicalZ#3752: even a sandy i7 would be
MythologicalZ#3752: ht really helps on the old quads
JustinXenyx#8854: IMO the more important thing is the price question
MythologicalZ#3752: this is also true
Foxious#1859: in case you were wondering about the mobo
MythologicalZ#3752: 1155 unlocked i7s are expensive for what they are
Foxious#1859: asus p8z77-v pro
JustinXenyx#8854: Shouldn't overpay for a 3770k or even 2600k, as there is a point where you're better off selling your old gear and upgrading to a new platform
JustinXenyx#8854: Having decent gear on an old platform shouldn't be used to justify overspending either |
Foxious#1859: well, locked then as im not that comfortable (yes enklish) with overclocking
MythologicalZ#3752: oc is fine
MythologicalZ#3752: plenty of voltage headroom on old intel
MythologicalZ#3752: and they arent particularly hard to cool at gaming clocks
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > I know dell made a laptop with a socketed cpu not too long ago
@D.D.M They did? You mean the chunky Alienware A51 laptop? Yeah, it is great, until you realized that the $5,000 laptop needs 2 different mobos just for RAM speeds, has an obscure bastardization of the MXM slot that Dell only supports for 1 gen of NVIDIA GPUs before moving on, doesn't support XMP and subsequent BIOS updates imposing power and thermal limits for fear of cooking the fancy 14nm++++++++ Intel chip alive
MythologicalZ#3752: chip still hits 100c lol
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yep
MythologicalZ#3752: anyway
MythologicalZ#3752: 1155 oc is safe
MythologicalZ#3752: running 1.3 44 on my 2600k with a single fan thermalright and everything is fine, barely 60c max
MythologicalZ#3752: 66c max cb20 load
MythologicalZ#3752: 59c cb15
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And the CB15 result?
MythologicalZ#3752: 763 |
MythologicalZ#3752: running some mixed 1866 shit with a bloated 10 install
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Damn that's pretty close to my mobile 7700HQ chip @ 3.4Ghz all cores
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ~780 something
D.D.M#8226: Yeah
D.D.M#8226: Its a bad idea to put a socketed cpu in a laptop
DarknessFalls229#2286: Not really, it all depends on thermals and tdp. If you have a socketed chip you will have less height to cool it, but with a soldered chip you wont be able to replace/upgrade it. And keep in mind, there exist laptop sockets aswell
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And good design choices
Muse#0557: @Alcyone What do i need to do with the h67 board i had to get 3rd gen going @JustinXenyx
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Update the BIOS
Muse#0557: Intel dont store the updates anymore
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: You got an Intel board
Muse#0557: They wiped it clean because they are scum
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Hmm, maybe use Internet Archive?
Muse#0557: For a 2012 intel bios page |
Muse#0557: Idek where to begin
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Archive.org
Muse#0557: Intel has so much on their site
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Let me see...
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Did they delete the drivers after 2015/2016 or earlier?
Muse#0557: https://drivers.softpedia.com/get/BIOS/Intel/Intel-DH67CL-Desktop-Board-BIOS-0163.shtml
Muse#0557: I've found this
Muse#0557: I think its the latest
Muse#0557: I assume it adds ivy support
Muse#0557: But i cant find any info on when it released
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Download it and check its file properties
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: There should be a digital signature and the date with it
Muse#0557: I umm
Muse#0557: Dont see an option to update the bios lmao
Muse#0557: Oh intel boards do through umm f7 on boot |
Muse#0557: Dont they
Muse#0557: @Charlie Foxtrot Ive updated it but like the fan is at 100% and it takes 3 fan revs to boot
Muse#0557: Yikes
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh no
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Reset the BIOS to default?
Muse#0557: Im going to now
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Why do I have a bad feeling about this
Muse#0557: Idk man
Muse#0557: Its ignoring f2
Muse#0557: Yay
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Time to chunk it into the garbage chute :Hahahahaha:
Muse#0557: I had it plugged into the rear fan for some reason the cpu header and the other chassis fan are white but the rear is red
Muse#0557: Gonna
Muse#0557: Try again now
Muse#0557: Right now i just need to figure out intel boot agent |
Muse#0557: Because it keeps spending like 30 seconds trying to boot to a network before trying the hdd
Muse#0557: Even though i have network as a low priority
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Check Intel PXE settings
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It should be in the BIOS
Muse#0557: Struggling to get in atm
Muse#0557: Its just ignoring F2
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Hold the key constantly
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Or just boot into Windows' Safe Mode and access UEFI from there
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Hold the Shift key then hit the Restart option in Windows
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So? Does it work?
Muse#0557: Yeh ive built the whole pc
Muse#0557: Its working nicely got heaven on loop maxed out running for a few hours
Alcyone#2233: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005630/boards-and-kits.html
If the board is a compatible version but on bios before 0132 you have to flash that first, then you can flash any bios 0151 or later. If it doesn't update intel me to 8.x you have to use recovery method. I maybe just would from the start. |
Alcyone#2233: @Muse
Muse#0557: Ive already done it now
Muse#0557: Getting into the rhythm of dealing with weird quirks on mobos also
Muse#0557: Easiest build I've done
Muse#0557: Just wondering whats the proper name for cmos jumpers
Muse#0557: I need more
Alcyone#2233: they are just called jumpers, pin header jumper or jumper block, 2.54mm
Alcyone#2233: 2.54mm pin header jumper I think is the official technical term
mi3night#2562: 1155 laptops with 2600k exists*
Alcyone: :Poog: :Poog:
Budget#8265: they exist
Alcyone#2233: 2600K :Yessi:
laptop :Noo:
MarcosCodas#6375: Hey everyone... is it realistic to try and get an i5 6400 or similar for around US$50 in the US? Friend of mine has a compatible board with a celeron and I want to help them upgrade |
Alcyone#2233: TBH sandy isnt any good unless its heavily overclocked, and overclocking isn't cheap. I think its oficially obsolete now that 1st gen ryzen is so affordable
Alcyone#2233: I dont think Ryzen 5000 is going to tank prices of ryzen 3000 like I thought though, theres a large price gap between similar skus
Alcyone#2233: One thing I did get right is the 5800x,5900x and 5950x do not include a cooler
Alcyone#2233: @MarcosCodas https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=i5+6400&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1 possibly
MarcosCodas#6375: OK! Thank you @Alcyone !
MarcosCodas#6375: I was looking with live auctions in mind but it didn't look too promising, stock seems to be low for some reason
MarcosCodas#6375: You guys know what this could be about?
MarcosCodas#6375: There are issues with this CPU! It will not allow Windows 10 to be installed as it comes up with unsupported CPU when you start the process. I have successfully gotten Windows 7 and Windows 8 to install and work with this CPU with one thing to note: Once you start updating Windows, it gets to the second batch of updates then the computer will freeze. As you can see in the pictures, the motherboard recognizes the CPU, the windows 8 installation recognizes the CPU and my son was using it without issue, you just can't keep updating the operating system.
MarcosCodas#6375: It's on a 6th gen intel chip so it should be fine
Budget#8265: That should be fine, it was only recently Win 10 dropped Pentium 4 Support (Older Pentium 4s)
MarcosCodas#6375: Yeah, why doesn't it work, though? right?
MarcosCodas#6375: That's the seller's listing
Budget#8265: Bent pins on mobo?
Budget#8265: ive seen that cause erratic behaviour
MarcosCodas#6375: Yeah, odd... anyway, put an offer on it |
MarcosCodas#6375: My friend's using Win7 anyway
MarcosCodas#6375: lol
MarcosCodas#6375: Success!!! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764164309844492298/2020-10-09_13_35_52-Receipt_for_your_payment_-_marcoscodasgmail.com_-_Gmail_-_Chromium.png
MarcosCodas#6375: Thanks @Budget ! Think I got a pretty good deal
Budget#8265: Not bad for that price
Budget#8265: I think the T Models OC high if you can OC them
MarcosCodas#6375: Nah, she's a graphic designer
MarcosCodas#6375: She needs reliability and low power draw more than a few extra mhz
MarcosCodas#6375: This will do just fine I think
Budget#8265: Solid stuff
Budget#8265: They do perform well
Budget#8265: Fairly sure @bawner is still on my old Core i3 6100
MarcosCodas#6375: She's running a Celeron G3900
MarcosCodas#6375: So
MarcosCodas#6375: 4GB of RAM and HDD |
MarcosCodas#6375: I'm putting together an upgrade kit
MarcosCodas#6375: This 6600T, 4GB more RAM and an SSD
MarcosCodas#6375: I think she'll be quite pleased
Budget#8265: Thatll make a huge difference
Tinybox#9112: yooo anyone know how a 965M compares to an RX 480M?
And if I should go for a laptop that has an @i7 6700hq +965m (broken keyboard would buy a new one from germany for 35 euros) (Acer Aspire V 17 Nitro Black Edition) or Core i7-3840QM + RX 480M (The laptop would be an older workstation)
It would cost ~50-100 more than the i7 6700HQ one
mi3night#2562: @Tinybox which older workstation ?
mi3night#2562: M6700?
Tinybox#9112: HP W series
mi3night#2562: Ohhhhh
Tinybox#9112: Hp elitebook w series
mi3night#2562: I’d take the 8770w if that’s the laptop
mi3night#2562: It’s just a overall better as a laptop
mi3night#2562: Compared to the acer |
Tinybox#9112: alr
mi3night#2562: 6700hq is newer so it’s more efficient
mi3night#2562: But 965m meme
mi3night#2562: Also rx480 laptop? @Tinybox
mi3night#2562: Mxm right
Tinybox#9112: ye
Tinybox#9112: BUT
Tinybox#9112: the mxm is seperate
Tinybox#9112: I can buy one for 100 rn
Tinybox#9112: more like I can buy a total of 5x if I wanted to
Tinybox#9112: From an ex- "mining rig setup"
Tinybox#9112: the laptop comes with a quadroo something
mi3night#2562: I prefer the 8770w is that it’s built better, better keyboard, trackpad, upgradability, and probably cooling too but the cpu is hot
mi3night#2562: I had a 3820qm in a MacBook and it’s 🔥
Tinybox#9112: but its a macbook |
Tinybox#9112: but yeah
Tinybox#9112: prolly a HOT cpu
Tinybox#9112: ah btw I forgot
Tinybox#9112: to list exact prices
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764174958846672936/image0.png
mi3night#2562: Is it like this!
Tinybox#9112: wiait what
Tinybox#9112: yea
Tinybox#9112: 79 what?
Tinybox#9112: Oh it's a bid
mi3night#2562: I’d get that over a gaming laptop all day imo
Tinybox#9112: also what about the dell precision m6700
Tinybox#9112: is that decent as well?
Tinybox#9112: p.s the acer aspire is 150 + (40 Euro Keyboard +SSD I need to buy)
the Workstation is 150-200 +100 for the MXM card |
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764175807719407636/image0.png,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764175808159416380/image1.png
mi3night#2562: Top one is acer
mi3night#2562: Bottom is hp
mi3night#2562: In terms of cooling
Tinybox#9112: alr
Tinybox#9112: The biggest thing im worried about with the HP
Tinybox#9112: Is just MXM compatability, but the RX 480m is a HP Card as well
Tinybox#9112: MXM compatability in terms of mounting
Tinybox#9112: But hp apparently follows the standard :/ (in terms of mounting)
Tinybox#9112: rx 480 mobile is 4gb btw
Tinybox#9112: oh nvm I just found out the RX 480 mobile is like 60% faster than the 965m
mi3night#2562: I don’t wanna assume anything because the last time I did, 2 tech helpers came in and started to scream at me @Tinybox
sandrosandro482#8710: There's an RX 480 mobile?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yes
Lady Mipha#0611: yes |
Lady Mipha#0611: @sandrosandro482
sandrosandro482#8710: Damn
JustinXenyx#8854: > yooo anyone know how a 965M compares to an RX 480M?
> And if I should go for a laptop that has an @i7 6700hq +965m (broken keyboard would buy a new one from germany for 35 euros) (Acer Aspire V 17 Nitro Black Edition) or Core i7-3840QM + RX 480M (The laptop would be an older workstation)
> It would cost ~50-100 more than the i7 6700HQ one
@Tinybox the simple answer is that the 965m gets it's ass kicked by a mobile 480
JustinXenyx#8854: the extra cash probably wouldn't be worth it, simply because the workstation will perform better
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 965M is ~1050 level of performance I guess
Muse#0557: Isnt the 965m about a 1050
Muse#0557: Ree
Muse#0557: :monke:
Muse#0557: Charlie Foxtrot for tech help
Muse#0557: Smh
JustinXenyx#8854: the 965m is about a mobile 960, so 1050-1050Ti perf isn't too unlikely
JustinXenyx#8854: but obviously, it'll underperform a bit given cooling restrictions etc |
Muse#0557: Its slower than a 1050 mobile iirc
Muse#0557: Like a solid 15-20% plus its a more hungry card do doesnt reach what its capable of in most laptops
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: vBIOS modding intensifies
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah the 965M is a desktop 960 with TDP limits
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And lower clock and mem speed
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Fun fact: the 960M and 950M shares the same GPU chip
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 640 shader cores
JustinXenyx#8854: Wouldn't be too surprised actually
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The latter has much lower mem speed
JustinXenyx#8854: Nvidia did a lot of sketchy shit and artificial segmentation with their mobile and lower end cards
JustinXenyx#8854: > Fun fact: the 960M and 950M shares the same GPU chip
If i am not sorely mistaken, they also used that silicon for the Maxwell 2.0 refresh of the 750
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: No it's even worse
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 512 shader cores
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Unless you are talking about the Ti |
JustinXenyx#8854: No that's right, i didn't say same chip i said same silicon
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Ah
JustinXenyx#8854: Wait actually no, i think it's flipped the other way
JustinXenyx#8854: 750/750Ti silicon became 950/960Ms
JustinXenyx#8854: They recycled regular desktop 950 silicon for the 750 Maxwell 2 refresh
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 750 Ti = 950M/960M
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: In any case, the RX480M is a good GPU
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Tho I am not sure how compatible it would be
uoʇsodɾ#2412: How good are the 5700XT drivers today? Are they still like playing Russian roulette or have they improved? I consider the RX 480 to have reasonably stable drivers.
mi3night#2562: @Tinybox as a laptop, I would use the elite book/ dell equivalent m6700 over that acer
mi3night#2562: From a price perspective, you decide because you’re paying extra for that elite book
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Tho its CPU performance is...
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I don't know
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Here's a comment I found online:
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ```I was able to flash it, unfortunately, I have pinched a resistor from the PCB, the resistor was so small, I was not able to see it with naked eye, I had to use a DSLR a Macro Lens and a tripod. Anyway, again... if your machine already has Dreamcolor... lets say, might be a reason to upgrade, but if you don`t is just pure waste of money. I am using the laptop for Lightroom, photoshop and Premiere Pro... With i7 CPU 3940XM, 32 GB RAM, with 1TB SSD Samsung vNand... and my "new" K4000M gpu... it is still struggling, in PremierePro still freezes frames while video-playback and not even at full resolution, and most of my clips are around 10 seconds mark... Putting money into a laptop like this is like you are tuning your 1983 300 SDL Mercedes... It`s old``` |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @mi3night
Tinybox#9112: Jeez
Tinybox#9112: Thanks a LOT
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: On paper the multicore sounds good
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But in reality optimization and generational differences can have huge impacts
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: In the end.....
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Just build a PC :Hahahahaha:
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And get a Chromebook or smt
Tinybox#9112: ***There's a reason why I'm saying Laptop*** :crome:
I want to have a decent machine to go to school with do the programming, some cad...,
**Also I want to sell my PC, and I want to take my sweet time picking out parts to get the best deals**
so I also want something that can still do all my games just fine
Tinybox#9112: Also I hate chromebooks ;-;
Tinybox#9112: Normally I'd just take my macbook with me, but the Keyboard broke for the 3rd time
Tinybox#9112: and replacing it is just a hassle |
Tinybox#9112: *and a lot of money
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So if you go for the Acer: you get worse GPU performance, and less upgradability, but it works right out of the box with no hassle
Tinybox#9112: ^^Thats why I considered it.
But if it's that's much worse, it's arguable that the hassle may be worth it, at least from what has been said :thinking_peter:
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: If you go for the HP: you get a chadian laptop that can be upgraded to Pxxxx GPUs and RX GPUs, but needs a hell lot of modding and dedication , the stubborn HP BIOS and worst of all, it might not turn out great
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: In conclusion, PC B O I
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Or you could look around for deals
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Again
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Or just save up money and buy a new shit
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > ^^Thats why I considered it.
> But if it's that's much worse, it's arguable that the hassle may be worth it, at least from what has been said :thinking_peter:
Also the NVIDIA drivers are at least stable, not like AMD who just likes to spasm every so often just for the sake of it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I'd prefer the Acer personally
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ~~It's not like I have one heh~~
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ~~With good fan control software~~ |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But again the 1050 GPU perfomance
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What to do, what to do...
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And Jesus hahahahah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Notebookcheck ranking is actually bullshit
Tinybox#9112: I'll be honest here, I did quite a bit of research.
The Bios is my biggest worry atm, however I've seen quite a few people upgrade these with HP Elitebooks with MXM cards.
***also, my biggest hope of compatability is that the RX 480M is a HP OEM card***
Tinybox#9112: Apparently RX 480s got great stability though
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The RX Vega 8 in the Renoir APU is supposedly 3% faster than the 965M
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yet only has ~3300 FS score compared to the other's ~5000
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: LMAO AYYY
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Can you find any other sensible deals online? And maybe local stores?
Tinybox#9112: Local stores? That would be a real hassle
Pretty much looked pretty thoroughly online
Tinybox#9112: btw the two laptops "Elitebooks" |
are the HP ELITEBOOK 8760w and the 8570w
Tinybox#9112: for the 8570w I'd need an extended heatsink
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Let me see...
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-elitebook-8760w-cpu-and-gpu-upgrade.834310/
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-NVIDIA-Tesla-M6-MXM-3-1-B-8GB-GDDR5-GPU-Video-Card-805132-B21-797887-001-HPE/353134685916?epid=18040561776&hash=item523877aedc:g:wl0AAOSwZDpfB4ES
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: How does this GPU look?
Tinybox#9112: What's that equivalent to?
Tinybox#9112: btw I just decided to ask the seller, about compatability.
Tinybox#9112: He said "The 8760w, probably won't be compatible since it doesn't support Polaris cards"
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It's a 980M Tesla edition
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Suggested in the same thread I linked above
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Sounds like a great choice without having to put up with AMD drivers
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Tho vBIOSes can be a pain
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ```No, Tesla M6 is 20% slower than M5000M```
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Bruh |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-elitebook-8760w-owners-lounge.581056/page-162
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-elitebook-8760w-owners-lounge.581056/page-159
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The W7170M doesn't seem to have good fan controlling
Tinybox#9112: looking at all of that atm
Tinybox#9112: that's why I'm not responding btw
Tinybox#9112: also reserching in the background
Tinybox#9112: im actually gonna sign up to that website and create a thread about this
Tinybox#9112: trying to figure out how to post a thread lol
Tinybox#9112: this interface is dog shit
Tinybox#9112: @Charlie Foxtrot also yooo that's a tesla card, I'm not sure if the same applies to the mxm cards, but isn't Tesla compute only and like requires optimus or something to run a display
Tinybox#9112: @JustinXenyx (?)^
JustinXenyx#8854: Actually, i'm not sure at all about those cards
JustinXenyx#8854: but instinct tells me that Nvidia pulls the same shady shit on there too
JustinXenyx#8854: and the RX480 mobile beats a 980M / Mobilized 970
Tinybox#9112: @JustinXenyx Yea, the biggest worry is just compatability here, its more than likely worth a shot to just try it, even if the seller claims that the RX 480 Mobile ***isnt*** supported. |
Tinybox#9112: I essentially received the same response when I went onto that forum
Tinybox#9112: IT was something along the lines of
"it may work.., it may not"
And that: "You should probably look for Maxwell/Pascal cards, since those have been confirmed to work with a small bios mod which they are many tutorials avaliable for"
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I think Mirage made good points
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Newer CPU gen, faster RAM speed, RAID, mSATA support, etc... for 8770W
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And those NVIDIA GPU choices(980M/M5000M)
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Not a lot of people know about the existence of MXM RX cards and as such, very few bought one in order to test them out
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Let me pull me some threads about Alienware laptops:
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m18x-r2-and-rx-480-4gb.832062/
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-ranger-the-rx-480m.832053/
JustinXenyx#8854: > And that: "You should probably look for Maxwell/Pascal cards, since those have been confirmed to work with a small bios mod which they are many tutorials avaliable for"
@Tinybox that's pretty much what i'd say too, even if the 480 Mobile is cheaper it might not be worth the hassle of trying to get it working properly
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m6700-m6800-with-polaris-based-mxm-card-possible.826872/
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @JustinXenyx Yeah most of the time only a slight inf driver modding is needed |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: In the case of the HP, well, they combine the system BIOS and the vBIOS, and to top it all off they encrypt it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So it might be a little pickier
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Also Tiny you can look at M4700/4800 as well ^
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Peak Dell workstation laptops
mi3night#2562: They’re expensive tho
mi3night#2562: Unless you can get one for cheap
mi3night#2562: But here in the US nah
mi3night#2562: @Charlie Foxtrot also for the cpu right? The 3840qm?
mi3night#2562: It’s like i7 3770 if the cooling is good
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And with liquid metal
mi3night#2562: I had a 3820qm I get 550cb while being throttled hard cuz MacBook
mi3night#2562: But I see clevos and AW 3820qm get 600
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: If you can OC it it can even get higher
DarknessFalls229#2286: > while being throttled hard cuz MacBook
Racey#8574: Did MacBooks even come with full mobile CPUs post Core2 |
mi3night#2562: ?
DarknessFalls229#2286: wdym full mobile?
Racey#8574: M
mi3night#2562: MacBooks or MacBook Pro?
mi3night#2562: I’m confused
Racey#8574: Either
mi3night#2562: Ofc?
mi3night#2562: Lmao
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But there's a TDP limit in the 8670W IIRC and you need a XM CPU in order to go above 120W
DarknessFalls229#2286: you think anything post Core2 is a desktop socket?
Racey#8574: No
Racey#8574: I always thought they used ULV CPUs after Core2 era
DarknessFalls229#2286: ULV?
BigPierogi#3368: Ultra low voltage
BigPierogi#3368: Aka |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Ultra Low Voltage
BigPierogi#3368: The u cpus
mi3night#2562: Ofc MacBooks use regular intel mobile cpus
Racey#8574: example i5-6300U
DarknessFalls229#2286: ahhh, the u CPUs
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: M CPUs can be soldered or socketed
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But Macbooks like to stand out from the crowd so they soldered all of their CPUs :epicgamer:
Racey#8574: :epicgamer: :epicgamer: :epicgamer:
mi3night#2562: Depends on the MacBooks
mi3night#2562: The 15/16 inches all use standard mobile cpus like 9750h, 6700hq, or 4980hq
mi3night#2562: The 13 inch uses M and U cpus
mi3night#2562: The MacBook Air also use M and U cpus but they’re low base clocks
mi3night#2562: The MacBook 12 inch uses M3/m5 cpus
mi3night#2562: @Racey
Tinybox#9112: @Charlie Foxtrot I know for a fact the dell m4000 series uses MXM A type cards, which makes them incompatible. I've actually found a lot of those posts specifically the 1st one you linkws |
Tinybox#9112: Thanks a ton tho
mi3night#2562: @Tinybox dell m6000 series however its 17 inch and is overpriced
Tinybox#9112: @mi3night going dell m6000 would give me a solid ground to pursure the rx 480 since someone has done it before
Tinybox#9112: But I cant find a cheap one
mi3night#2562: Yeah the elite book is awesome
mi3night#2562: @Tinybox also fyi the elite book has 4 dimm
Yuuki#4509: Can i ask for help here?
Yuuki#4509: My pc's screen turns gray when I play games
Yuuki#4509: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764655984864919552/20201011_082609-1.jpg
Yuuki#4509: idk if it's the gpu or psu
Yuuki#4509: because the psu is just generic
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Can you plug the monitor into the HDMI/VGA port on the board and see what happens?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And generic PSU?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh no
Yuuki#4509: yes, i did unplug and plug it |
Yuuki#4509: > Oh no
@Charlie Foxtrot did the psu break the gpu?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Generally it's not a great idea to pair anything with a generic no-name PSU
Yuuki#4509: > Generally it's not a great idea to pair anything with a generic no-name PSU
@Charlie Foxtrot yep, i know. but it's the only one i have
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > yes, i did unplug and plug it
@Yuuki I mean you use the video port on the motherboard, play games and see what happens?
Yuuki#4509: i'm currently saving up for a better one
Yuuki#4509: oh. I haven't yet
Yuuki#4509: i'll try it
Yuuki#4509: btw, @Charlie Foxtrot, what budget psu do u recommend?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Sadly I don't know
Yuuki#4509: oki. i'll try what you said later. thanks for the help
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @JustinXenyx Do you know a decent PSU on a budget?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > oki. i'll try what you said later. thanks for the help |
No problemo
JustinXenyx#8854: Off my head, not really
D.D.M#8226: Hey guys does anybody know the stablest driver version for an r9 280x?
D.D.M#8226: Since many games crash the whole pc with a weird pattern on the screen but stressing the gpu doesn't give any artifacts
Yuuki#4509: Is this a good psu?
Yuuki#4509: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764743249373560852/Screenshot_2020-10-11-14-56-22-713_com.shopee.ph.jpg
Yuuki#4509: It's roughly 58USD
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: You pick 700W for futureproofing?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Well, one thing for sure, Silverstone is a decent brand
DarknessFalls229#2286: Are we sure thats its the psu though and not some driver issue
DarknessFalls229#2286: Like if youre taking too much power, can you see if you can underclock and undervolt the gpu and see if it works then
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah I haven't thought of that
mi3night#2562: @Yuuki I used a 400w silverstone psu in my 2nd rig before. I didn’t have a problem with it
mi3night#2562: But they’re not the well known brand like seasonic or Corsair
mi3night#2562: So your experience will vary |
Yuuki#4509: Sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep. I'm not that well versed in undervolting/clocking, but I do decrease the max frequency and max power using AMD's WattMan
Yuuki#4509: > You pick 700W for futureproofing?
@Charlie Foxtrot yeah. I plan to upgrade to a ddr4 system soon.
Yuuki#4509: > Sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep. I'm not that well versed in undervolting/clocking, but I do decrease the max frequency and max power using AMD's WattMan
This has been working for me until yesterday. It's been crashing ever since.
Yuuki#4509: > But they’re not the well known brand like seasonic or Corsair
@mi3night I think I'll try it now. I'll be saving up for a decent rig once I get a job.
DarknessFalls229#2286: > This has been working for me until yesterday. It's been crashing ever since.
@Yuuki might be a sign that your PSU is really degrading
Yuuki#4509: > @Yuuki might be a sign that your PSU is really degrading
@DarknessFalls229 that's what I've been thinking too. I kinda expected this to happen, since it's just a generic psu
Yuuki#4509: A friend recommended me the Silverstone psu, saying that it's a good budget psu
Yuuki#4509: And now, it looks like I'm getting it. Thanks for all the help, everyone!
Yuuki#4509: Gonna wait for a bit until I get some cash tho
DarknessFalls229#2286: you just need one thats true to its ratings |
DarknessFalls229#2286: ive had this OCZ 700w PSU for a while now
DarknessFalls229#2286: and its like 10+ years old
DarknessFalls229#2286: still being good to me
DarknessFalls229#2286: but i should upgrade
Yuuki#4509: > you just need one thats true to its ratings
@DarknessFalls229 yep. This psu that I have rn *isn't* true to it's ratings
Yuuki#4509: It's a korean 700w psu, and others have said that it's a "car bomb"
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Lol probably has the same origins with the Note 7
Yuuki#4509: > Lol probably has the same origins with the Note 7
@Charlie Foxtrot it probably does
Yuuki#4509: Ok. So I found a budget corsair psu
Yuuki#4509: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764834074165641226/Screenshot_2020-10-11-20-56-43-942_com.shopee.ph.jpg
Yuuki#4509: Is this better than the silverstone one?
Yuuki#4509: CV450 vs Silverstone Strider Essential 700w
Tinybox#9112: @Charlie Foxtrot @mi3night @JustinXenyx |
I felt like I need to update, but after research and talking with more with the Notebook Forum people..
I found out that the RX 480 mobile wouldn't work without any go arounds from the getgo, needing me to use AMD ENDURO (Basically; GPU renders, IGPU handles final output) to even output to the main display of the Elitebook, otherwise I'd be stuck using external Displays. This is due to the HP using an LVDs screen and the RX 480 only supporting EDP displays. :crome: if you ask me what edp and lvds is I barely have any idea, but it's a connection standard.
--
This btw ^^Would ALSO make using the NVidia TESLA M6 ***technically*** possible from what I can understand, after a driver .inf mod, and utilizing NVidia Optimus,,, no idea how you'd set it up though,, from what I can understand would also make outputting into the other connectors impossible because the rest depend on the mxm gpu, so only VGA, and the Main screen would have ouput capability
Tinybox#9112: **headache**
Budget#8265: @Yuuki ive used a few of those in builds, and they seem alright from what I have used of them
Yuuki#4509: > @Yuuki ive used a few of those in builds, and they seem alright from what I have used of them
@Budget Then I'll be getting the cv450! Thanks for replying, Budget!
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @Tinybox So, in a nutshell, the iGPU is a middle man
Tinybox#9112: *also I've also read that using nvidia optimus/amd enduro results in pefomance losses
Tinybox#9112: @Charlie Foxtrot yes
Tinybox#9112: *perfomance losses up to 20%
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Not quite performance losses, more like input lag
Tinybox#9112: perhaps that as well, but I just asked a guy for confirmation on that
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: That's the downside of chunking a 2016 GPU into a 2012 laptop |
Tinybox#9112: not neccesarily, I asked what laptops would work
Tinybox#9112: and I got a reply like this:
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Damn I need to take a look at your thread
Tinybox#9112: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764840331870076928/unknown.png
Tinybox#9112: It really isnt only my thread anymore lol
Budget#8265: What dies it need to power @Yuuki
Budget#8265: I used them for R3 3100 and RX470 style builds
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah those machines are pretty damn expensive
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The M6800 will cost upwards of $500
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Same goes for others
Tinybox#9112: I can acquire a HP zbook g2 for 200 euros atm, after intense searching
Tinybox#9112: but like
Tinybox#9112: 2 core i5
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Link to the deal?
Tinybox#9112: And an i7, would set me back ~50 euros |
Tinybox#9112: @Charlie Foxtrot its a local store
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: No GPU?
Tinybox#9112: it does
Tinybox#9112: But it's a dog shit gpu
Tinybox#9112: But it sports the mxm slot needed because of that
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What GPU exactly?
Tinybox#9112: a sec
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Maybe you can flip it for $40
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: As well as the i5
Tinybox#9112: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/764842057722232892/unknown.png
Tinybox#9112: my biggest worry with this tho is
Tinybox#9112: ^^it may have that mxm slot
Tinybox#9112: But
Tinybox#9112: it's an MXM a card
Tinybox#9112: which means the listing may be false |
Tinybox#9112: and its not a g1
Tinybox#9112: well more like offer may be
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ???
Tinybox#9112: the k610m is an mxm a card, which suggests that the slot may be mxm a only
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah, MXM B can use both MXM A and MXM B standard cards
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module
Tinybox#9112: ye ik
D.D.M#8226: Hey guys does anybody know the stablest driver version for an r9 280x?
D.D.M#8226: Since many games crash the whole pc with a weird pattern on the screen but stressing the gpu doesn't give any artifacts
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/i-need-help-big-help-zbook-17-polaris-ellesmere.832444/
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Jesus this is one hell of a rabbit hole
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,441,0)HPZbook17G2
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: According to Eurocom it supports MXM 3b
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yet all GPUs it is shipped with is MXM 3a standard |
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