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zwect#1210: if its on auto or whatever
zwect#1210: what voltage should i put?
zwect#1210: im pretty scary with those shit
zwect#1210: i dont wanna fry it in months lol
zwect#1210: ive been running like how it is now for like, since march i guess
zwect#1210: this year
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Take a screenshot
zwect#1210: brb
zwect#1210: im still taking on the vbios shit
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776721846685925376/JPEG_20201113_051521.jpg
zwect#1210: @Charlie Foxtrot ?
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776721922397438002/JPEG_20201113_051539.jpg
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 1.448V
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: No no no no
zwect#1210: ohh |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Tune it down
zwect#1210: to like..?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @mi3night
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What is your voltage
mi3night#2562: 1.3
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776722080938721290/JPEG_20201113_051618.jpg
zwect#1210: which?
mi3night#2562: Offset
mi3night#2562: 1.3
zwect#1210: ok
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776722240049643560/JPEG_20201113_051654.jpg
zwect#1210: which one of those 2 that appeared?
zwect#1210: + and - adds vallues
zwect#1210: values*
mi3night#2562: Down one |
mi3night#2562: You see cpu offsetvoltage
zwect#1210: umm...maximum it allows is 0.3000
mi3night#2562: Put 1.3
mi3night#2562: Offset voltage not the voltage mark
zwect#1210: so, it is the voltage one
zwect#1210: not going past 0.3000
zwect#1210: setting manually
mi3night#2562: How is it not letting you put 1.3v
mi3night#2562: The
zwect#1210: and voltage mark has + and - as options
mi3night#2562: Oh
zwect#1210: yeah, its just not letting me go past that number
mi3night#2562: Select amd overclock
zwect#1210: worked
zwect#1210: can 1.3 now |
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776723313501798420/JPEG_20201113_052110.jpg
zwect#1210: so i restart and it should be always 1.3?
zwect#1210: on that 1.448 thing
zwect#1210: it moves back and forth
zwect#1210: and that downvoltage wouldnt get any perfomance out of it, right?
zwect#1210: i mean, pfft, never had forced it on any game anyway
Muse#0557: I haven't read the whole conversation but you don't sound sure which is like rule 1 of overclocking
Muse#0557: Hold your beans a second
zwect#1210: im scared of doing that
Muse#0557: I would look up a guide for your manufacturer of board fella
Muse#0557: It's dead simple just better safe than sorry 🙏
zwect#1210: it worked now i guess
ill see the temps after this
zwect#1210: it still seems to idle 50C or 45C
zwect#1210: i mean, i just booted and stuff so might change, idk |
i wont leave it on for now since i just wanted to know how to configure that
i still have to wait that usb drive to format to bootable dos so i can flash the 260m's bios
zwect#1210: lol i stayed the whole night doing this
mi3night#2562: @zwect for me it went from 50c to 30c
mi3night#2562: Oh yeah
mi3night#2562: Disable PBO
mi3night#2562: You should disable PBO because I had it enabled and it ignored the manual voltage inputs and went back to 1.5v @zwect
mi3night#2562: And manually set the cpu clock
mi3night#2562: Since your max boost clock is 4.2ghz. Set it to whatever you like
zwect#1210: oh
zwect#1210: where should i find that PBO?
zwect#1210: any alternative names?
zwect#1210: oh nvm i guess i dont have that
zwect#1210: it stayed 1.3
zwect#1210: after the restart |
mi3night#2562: What about in HWinfo64 @zwect
zwect#1210: i dont even have it installed since i never needed
mi3night#2562: PBO is precision boost overdrive
zwect#1210: AAHH that
mi3night#2562: Disable that
zwect#1210: yeah i think i have that enabled
mi3night#2562: Disable that and hop back to windows see what u get
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776727448913182771/JPEG_20201113_053736.jpg
zwect#1210: oh found the pbo
zwect#1210: its on another tab
zwect#1210: but well my mobo has that c state thing, is that good?
zwect#1210: but PBO seems to auto control some shit
zwect#1210: do i just leave them as default?
mi3night#2562: Disable it
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776727774668390400/JPEG_20201113_053855.jpg |
zwect#1210: ok
zwect#1210: can i leave those other on auto? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776727881404514324/JPEG_20201113_053915.jpg
zwect#1210: and these https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776727964116713492/JPEG_20201113_053938.jpg
zwect#1210: all of them are on auto already
mi3night#2562: Sure
mi3night#2562: Also where the hell is c state
mi3night#2562: I can’t find it on my tomahawk
zwect#1210: CPU Features
zwect#1210: for me
mi3night#2562: Ok I find it tmr
zwect#1210: lul
zwect#1210: still idling 50c
mi3night#2562: The
zwect#1210: oh god it jumped suddenly to almost 60
mi3night#2562: :OmegaLUL: |
mi3night#2562: Download hwinfo64
zwect#1210: the clock dropped to 3600 stuck
zwect#1210: and oh
the temps stuck at 45 nvm
zwect#1210: 45 43
mi3night#2562: Stock cooler
mi3night#2562: ?
zwect#1210: AIO
mi3night#2562: Which aio
zwect#1210: maelstrom 120T
mi3night#2562: Oh no wonder
zwect#1210: oh wait
zwect#1210: i got hwinfo
zwect#1210: lol
mi3night#2562: Pull it up |
mi3night#2562: Is it running at 1.3
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776729116350218250/unknown.png
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776729174659825704/unknown.png
zwect#1210: bruh
zwect#1210: it dropped even more
zwect#1210: 36C
zwect#1210: now it jumped to 46C
zwect#1210: always that 10C suddenly jump
zwect#1210: it always worked like that
zwect#1210: normal?
mi3night#2562: Ok now go back to bios and try 1.25v
zwect#1210: wouldnt get kill perfomance?
zwect#1210: that*
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Damn boy you have a lot of drives
zwect#1210: jumped from 37C to 45C |
zwect#1210: yeah
zwect#1210: they dont wanna buy an 4tb drive or sum
mi3night#2562: As long as your clock stays the same
mi3night#2562: Try 1.25v 3.9ghz
zwect#1210: so its like a bunch of 750GB or 2 480GB ssd's
zwect#1210: > Try 1.25v 3.9ghz
@mi3night a ok
zwect#1210: but bruh the clock is at 3600 rn
mi3night#2562: Basically intel overclocking style
mi3night#2562: Keep increasing the clock until it’s unstable
zwect#1210: wwhat
mi3night#2562: Haha yes
mi3night#2562: Basically
mi3night#2562: Try 1.25v 3.9
mi3night#2562: See it that works |
zwect#1210: OHH I GET YOU
mi3night#2562: Ye
zwect#1210: so its stuck at 3600 because it cant boost more than that,m
zwect#1210: ?
zwect#1210: because of the voltage
zwect#1210: or it should do even more?
mi3night#2562: Change the clock speed
mi3night#2562: In bios
mi3night#2562: Bios
mi3night#2562: ***
mi3night#2562: You see clock speed settings
mi3night#2562: Set that to offset too
zwect#1210: what happens if it goes wrong?
zwect#1210: like just a BSOD?
mi3night#2562: It should restart |
zwect#1210: a
mi3night#2562: Then you revert the settings
mi3night#2562: Lower the clocks
zwect#1210: brb the dos drive is ready
mi3night#2562: K
mi3night#2562: @Charlie Foxtrot this is how you overclock right?
mi3night#2562: Cuz I don’t wanna spread misinformation
mi3night#2562: I’m pretty self conscious about that
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Based
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Technically you punch up the clocks, then increase the voltage to make it stable
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Then tune it to keep the temps low
mi3night#2562: Cuz this is similar to how I overclock haswell. It’s a pretty old but good method
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But Justin is probably going to kick both our asses for spreading misformation
mi3night#2562: Yes that’s what I’m self conscious of
mi3night#2562: @Charlie Foxtrot idky people like PBO |
mi3night#2562: All pbo did was get my 3700x to 97C
mi3night#2562: Disabled that shit and set 1.3v 4.4ghz on my 3700x
mi3night#2562: And my score improved by 280
mi3night#2562: In r15
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776731928266670110/image0.jpg
mi3night#2562: Ok 273 but still
mi3night#2562: 2174 was 4.2ghz
mi3night#2562: Anyways gn to u both I have school tmr @Charlie Foxtrot @zwect
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Sleep tight
zwect#1210: good night
zwect#1210: ill fiddle my pc "tomorrow"
zwect#1210: i still need to DOS the shit out of this vbios
zwect#1210: had the wrong version of everything and it did an error
zwect#1210: AAAAHH FUCK IT
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776733212881846272/JPEG_20201113_060028.jpg |
zwect#1210: found it finally
zwect#1210: WHAT THE FUCK?
zwect#1210: FLASHING THE BIOS DIDNT RESOLVE THE PROBLEM
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: My god
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What is even going on anymore
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I suggest posting to the Notebookreview forum and ask for their help
zwect#1210: got it to work
zwect#1210: properly i guess
zwect#1210: idk
zwect#1210: it gets to 80% usage now
zwect#1210: runs a shitty game at 28 FPS
zwect#1210: usable.
zwect#1210: ill see if it isnt a driver issue again
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Use DDU
zwect#1210: got it worse. |
zwect#1210: now it doesn't accepts ANY drivers
zwect#1210: modified or normal neither
zwect#1210: screw up that shit
zwect#1210: i give up
zwect#1210: too much hassle for a fucking GT 525M equivalent
zwect#1210: all nvidia driver instalations are giving a fail shit after 2 seconds of installation
zwect#1210: and one of them BSOD'ed the laptop
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So what do you plan to do now
Yuuki#4509: should i get the ryzen 5 2600 or ryzen 5 3500x?
DarknessFalls229#2286: 2600 is probably better with its multithreading
Yuuki#4509: true, true
Yuuki#4509: i guess the 3500x isnt worth the $15 price difference
DarknessFalls229#2286: the 3rd gen ryzen IPC is nice but id rather have double the threads
Yuuki#4509: well, my current plan is to buy a ryzen 5 2600 and pair it with a b450 mortar max
Yuuki#4509: then buy a 5600 if i can save up next year |
Yuuki#4509: is it good?
DarknessFalls229#2286: the 5600x is pretty damn good
DarknessFalls229#2286: perhaps its good to save up and get a 5600 anyway as its already a pretty significant gain over 3000 series
DarknessFalls229#2286: but in steps is also nice
Yuuki#4509: thanks for the opinion bro
Yuuki#4509: the ryzen 5 2600 has a limit of 2933 for RAM, right?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: no
Yuuki#4509: Hmm?
Yuuki#4509: Or can it go up to 3200?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I think that's dependent on the chipset(?)
like from what I remember a320 limits how fast
Yuuki#4509: ohh
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I have a 2600 and my ram runs at 3200
Yuuki#4509: Do I need to overclock?
Yuuki#4509: Sorry for the barrage of questions, it's my first time building a pc from the bottom up |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: you'd need to enable the xmp profile in the bios
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yep
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Get 2 sticks of the same speed
Yuuki#4509: ohhh, so for example, if i get a g.skill ripjaws 3200 kit, i just need to set the xmp profile in the bios, then it'll work?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yes sir
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Remember to check the voltage settings in the BIOS
Yuuki#4509: Do I need to change some voltage settings? When setting an XMP profile for the RAM?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: No need for that
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I mean the voltage for the CPU
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: MSI boards suck in that regard
Yuuki#4509: Ohh
Yuuki#4509: Even the mortar max?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The auto just pumps too much voltage
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Making the CPU as hot as hell |
Yuuki#4509: Ohhh, oki. I'll try to do some adjustments if ever that happens
Yuuki#4509: I currently have funds to buy a ryzen 5 2600, but im saving up till I can buy the b450 mortar max along with it
zwect#1210: the 6970M doesnt even gets the three beep gpu error
zwect#1210: it just doesnt gives any video
zwect#1210: and i got one shitty driver to work on the 260M
sucks to play any kind of game but runs minecraft
JustinXenyx#8854: > i guess the 3500x isnt worth the $15 price difference
@Yuuki nah not really, you're getting higher IPC but you're loosing hyperthreading
JustinXenyx#8854: and 3500x is an OEM-only part
JustinXenyx#8854: so kiss your warranty or included cooler goodbye lmao
FantaStick#8008: 3500x only made sense in a brief window of time when the 3600 was still 200$, the 3300/3100 didn't exist and zen+ parts weren't quite on fire sale status yet
FantaStick#8008: And you only wanted to game
FantaStick#8008: At 115$ it wasn't a horrible choice
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Is there a general consensus on like... What GPU is the best deal used? I'm cooking up a build and I'm thinking a good spot for me to save money on the initial is by getting a used GPU for under 100$ and upgrading later, but I'm not really sure what my best option is gonna be
Budget#8265: Most people say the RX470/480 for around £70ish over here @strawbebbypancakes |
Budget#8265: They can be picked up in new Condition for around £65-70 in a lot of regions
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Gotcha, I'll have to see what their performance looks like
Budget#8265: Matches a 1060 pretty much
Budget#8265: solid performance, runs all titles
Budget#8265: a 1080p 60Fps Med/High Card
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Oh, sounds quite nice. I'll do my research. A buddy gave me a nice CPU for my birthday and on one hand I kinda want to save up for a gpu to match but on the other hand, I'd like to get a build up and running
Budget#8265: Nice whats the CPU
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776896651939283024/Screenshot_20201113_193244_com.android.chrome.png
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Ryzen 7 1800x
Muse#0557: Why do they need a mug shot of him
Budget#8265: Groovy stuff
Budget#8265: The RX is a good pairing
Muse#0557: Isn't the 1800x
Muse#0557: Like 135w
Budget#8265: Eh |
Budget#8265: Under max load it can use 120W?
Budget#8265: but very rarely does it get to that
strawbebbypancakes#0508: I mean. It was a gift so I'm not about to complain too much.
Muse#0557: Yeh its quite thirsty
Muse#0557: True
Budget#8265: 1800X was a groovy CPU
Budget#8265: Youll like it
Muse#0557: Can't believe it was a $180 over a 1700
Budget#8265: Flagships always have a premum
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Yeah, my friend that gifted it to me ended up getting a second Gen ryzen for himself but hey
Budget#8265: Zen2 is awesome
Budget#8265: I went Zen1 -> 2 and can confirm
Budget#8265: both were awesome tbh
Muse#0557: Zen+ is worth forgetting about
Budget#8265: kinda have to agree |
Budget#8265: It was pretty much Zen 1 on a non power efficient node
Budget#8265: which helped with memory clocks, and cpu clocks
Budget#8265: but not much else
wiryfuture🦀#1706: *cries in r2600*
Muse#0557: Somebody help i bought clothes instead of computer parts
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Lmao
Muse#0557: Could of got a 2600k
Muse#0557: 😠
strawbebbypancakes#0508: You could have just worn a potato sack
Muse#0557: Based
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Tbh sometimes I wonder why I wanna build a new PC when I realize I spend so much time just on my work laptop... Working... But then i read about a single bit of hardware and I lose my cynicism
Muse#0557: This is my current state
Muse#0557: I sold my laptop and realise fixing my wifi would of been smarter
Muse#0557: Convenience is priceless
Budget#8265: I would love a Vega M GL Macbook personally |
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Don't think that's gonna happen what with Apple Silicon
Budget#8265: It exists
strawbebbypancakes#0508: I mean maybe they'll backtrack depending on how it goes
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Ohhh you mean an older model, my apologies
Budget#8265: ARM in macbooks is the first bit of innovation we've seen in years
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Trust me I know.
strawbebbypancakes#0508: It was like a miracle when they finally ditched the butterfly keyboard what with the 16inch
Budget#8265: Cause that did suck
Muse#0557: I think arm in macbook is very nifty but I've accepted its going to be a good 3-5 years before everyone can switch to it without compromise
mi3night#2562: ^^
mi3night#2562: M1 is a good chip but wait a couple years
Budget#8265: Well thats why consumers get it first
Budget#8265: cause consumers arent big money
mi3night#2562: Just like how a core dual is better than a single g4
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Admittedly I tend to be cynical about apple, but that's cause I'm less than a year out from being one of their tech support dummies |
Budget#8265: o damn
Budget#8265: the horror
Muse#0557: O lord moment
Budget#8265: On good news the new video is edited
Budget#8265: like I Just finished
Budget#8265: damn
mi3night#2562: I mean this applies to everything. Try not to buy first gen products especially Apple nowadays
Muse#0557: Hamish do my boring college work
Muse#0557: You have time now
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Congrats on video!
Budget#8265: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776899566900871199/unknown.png
Budget#8265: Numberplate blur
Budget#8265: ima go back to #💻normal-chat💻
mi3night#2562: Tbh I would’ve had fun with a crosshair vii hero and a 3700x but the crosshair is DOA and it’s the last c7h Newegg have
Zirax#2873: Would upgrading to an ssd on a pentium laptop from around 2014 be worth it? |
Racey#8574: if you feel like the laptop is fast enough for your needs outside of drive speed, then yes you should get an SSD for it
Racey#8574: remember DRAM is what you'd want in an SSD but it'd still be faster than a hard drive in most cases without it
mi3night#2562: @Zirax you can always use that ssd later on if you throw the laptop away
strawbebbypancakes#0508: Came to mind because of discussion in the general chat, but I've had trouble deciding what mobo chipset to go with for my 1800x. Like I figure I could get a newer chipset and be more likely to still have compatibility to upgrade later, but also I question if I'll really be upgrading a flagship CPU like this soon enough that "future proofing" matters
JustinXenyx#8854: Well an 1800x still requires a solid bit of power, but used X370 boards don't make a ton of sense because people still want too much for them so X470 is ideal @strawbebbypancakes
JustinXenyx#8854: B550 or X570 don't support your 1800x (or any Ryzen 1/2000 for that matter) but B450 and X470 do while supporting even the newest Ryzen chips too
JustinXenyx#8854: but B450 boards aren't really the right choice because the 1800x requires a bit more power than most budget boards are laid out for
Alcyone#2233: B450 would need at least a tomahawk/mortar/gaming plus/a-pro for zen or zen+ 8 core
And preferably the Gaming Pro Carbon or Strix-F
Alcyone#2233: I think the MSI gaming itx also has a good vrm
zwect#1210: what is the fastest DX11 gpu?
the ones that doesnt support dx12 and so
zwect#1210: im just curious
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: HD 6970? |
JustinXenyx#8854: > what is the fastest DX11 gpu?
> the ones that doesnt support dx12 and so
@zwect that's a technical impossibility
JustinXenyx#8854: Unless you mean no native DX12 hardware support
JustinXenyx#8854: because a lot of DX11 cards support DX12 via a software wrapper
zwect#1210: oh
Budget#8265: Im fairly sure the 1800X stock uses around 140ishWatts under full load when doing a load of trancoding
Budget#8265: Thats like 100% Hammering on all cores
Budget#8265: I seriously doubt any board is going to have any issues with that, given the stock cooler is also gonna be adding active cooling on the VRMs
Budget#8265: Zen+ 2700X and stuff are much more of a concern than any situation like that
zwect#1210: wait
zwect#1210: after i disabled PBO
zwect#1210: my cpu is stuck at 3600MHZ
zwect#1210: is that normal?
zwect#1210: it isn't boosting |
zwect#1210: WWHAT
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776981633785659392/unknown.png
zwect#1210: doing THIS better than an 8700K?
zwect#1210: why does my CS GO runs way below 500 fps then?
i've seen people with even a 7700K running at that level
zwect#1210: oh ok
zwect#1210: that was the physics mark
zwect#1210: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/776982511254896650/unknown.png
Deleted User#0000: what use is 500 frames per second
mi3night#2562: Idk
mi3night#2562: Oh
mi3night#2562: Maybe input lag
mi3night#2562: For csgo at least
mi3night#2562: 400fps feels more smooth than 120 even tho I’m on a 60hz monitor
mi3night#2562: @Deleted User also can you set the clock in bios? To 4.0? |
Deleted User#0000: uhhh i dont know
zwect#1210: so
zwect#1210: about that M17X R2
zwect#1210: i've found a couple of cheap 660M's on Aliexpress
zwect#1210: worth it?
zwect#1210: they are almost on par with an Vega 8 from those APU's
zwect#1210: and the laptop's res is 1920X1200
zwect#1210: so idk
would be more suitable?
zwect#1210: and their TDP seems even lower than the 260M so would get less hot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: IIRC the laptop supports up to HD 8970M and GTX 680M
zwect#1210: ik
zwect#1210: but i want safe temps and good perfomance
zwect#1210: and by safe i mean barely 65C on load
zwect#1210: (my father would say otherwise) |
zwect#1210: it used to turn itself off at 73C (which killed the 7970M in almost a year of use)
zwect#1210: i mean
this is on par with what? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777005212207546379/Screenshot_20201114-000111_Chrome.jpg
zwect#1210: looking at these types of details
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Vega 8 according to Notebookcheck
zwect#1210: oh yeah so it makes sense
zwect#1210: not bad tho
zwect#1210: if i push it more further then the i7 would be the culprit of bad FPS
zwect#1210: it cant run GTA properly for some reason
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It should be more than enough for lighter games
zwect#1210: yeah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Like Minecraft
zwect#1210: oh it already is with the 260M lol
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Can you post the listing?
zwect#1210: the 660M's? |
zwect#1210: https://m.pt.aliexpress.com/wholesale/m17x+3.0b.html?osf=direct
zwect#1210: i mean
zwect#1210: this would be the most suitable GPU's for its heatsink
zwect#1210: excluding those 580M's
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I saw a GTX 675M lol
Deleted User#0000: 73c? that aint shit
Deleted User#0000: i had a graphics card that ran at 94c
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Why not get a HD 7970M @zwect
zwect#1210: i already had one
zwect#1210: it killed itself.
zwect#1210: no thermal management from itself
zwect#1210: plus clocks wouldnt work themselves alone
zwect#1210: i had to OC it everytime
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah they don't have native fan controls
zwect#1210: oof |
zwect#1210: could i flash an BIOS to do that?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Unless you get a very specific HD 8970M Clevo model
zwect#1210: oh
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > could i flash an BIOS to do that?
@zwect It has something to do with the Alienware's EC
zwect#1210: cant really go 8970M level, they are too expensive compared to the others
zwect#1210: > @zwect It has something to do with the Alienware's EC
@Charlie Foxtrot F
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: A solution would be to use HWInfo
zwect#1210: i used to do that
zwect#1210: fucked up a fan now im using an hardmodded right side one inverted as the left
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Lol
zwect#1210: they dont sell these fans here lol
zwect#1210: i mean
zwect#1210: found one |
zwect#1210: but they were the price of those 660M's
zwect#1210: not worth it
zwect#1210: the hardmod is doing fine
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: At this point I would say sell the Alienware off and get a new lappy lol
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The hassle is just too much
zwect#1210: if that was possible we would have done it back then
zwect#1210: people wont accept to pay even 275$ on it
zwect#1210: or idk, what would be an ideal price for it like that?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What's the condition and the specs of the Alienware?
Dogecode#7321: seeing as to the age of the components I'd guess some sandy bridge, maybe 8gb of ram at best, spinning rust, and obviously the gtx 260m
JustinXenyx#8854: i7 820qm, not sandy lol @Dogecode
Dogecode#7321: so even older xD
Dogecode#7321: yeah they're not gonna get much for that one
Dogecode#7321: maybe if somebody really likes alienwares
Dogecode#7321: but it'd really have to be in good shape for that |
JustinXenyx#8854: the fact that he lives in Brazil doesn't help him in the slightest
Yuuki#4509: I'll be buying a Zen+, then upgrade to Zen 3 next year
JustinXenyx#8854: Well then 400-series will still be the most ideal
JustinXenyx#8854: because 500 series boards don't support 1/2000
JustinXenyx#8854: and 300 series aren't really a smart thing to buy
Yuuki#4509: Yup, I'll be getting a Mortar Max
Yuuki#4509: B450
Foxious#1859: I am confused
Foxious#1859: what generation is Sandy
Foxious#1859: and what gen is Ivy
Foxious#1859: as those seem to be the most talked about older intel generations
Foxious#1859: And what gen is my 3570k
Foxious#1859: and the 4670K
Racey#8574: Sandy Bridge is 2nd generation and Ivy Bridge is 3rd
Racey#8574: Haswell is 4th, Broadwell is 5th, Skylake is 6th, Kaby Lake is 7th, Coffee Lake is 8th |
Lady Mipha#0611: your 3570K would be Ivy and your 4670K would be Haswell @Foxious
Foxious#1859: I see
Foxious#1859: Why dont people then ever cheer about haswell
Foxious#1859: when it has been (imo) one of the best generations intel ever made
Foxious#1859: as it can still be used quite well for gaming
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: They are overpriced
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: An older Ryzen has more value
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Besides they are limited to 4c/8t, whereas a Ryzen is up to 8c/16t
DarknessFalls229#2286: erm, if your motherboard has the support AM4 supports up to 16 cores 32 threads with the 3950x and 5950x
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oof
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah if the motherboard supports
DarknessFalls229#2286: well i did hear some guy mod a 5950x unto an A320 board, DOES NOT mean you should do that
DarknessFalls229#2286: eventhough its still a 105 watt TDP
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: That's just asking for trouble |
DarknessFalls229#2286: yeah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: He used some sort of beta BIOS IIRC
Muse#0557: Lads im making something helpful 🙏 not a muse gpu graph yet though
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yes
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: #muse4mod2020
Muse#0557: 🙏
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Charlie for server owner
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @"Cobs" My r620 had a second mem check failure again, and it's a different dimm from a different lot so I think it's something other than the dimms themselves
wiryfuture🦀#1706: also, have you ever used Apache kafka? it looks interesting
Abe.#3344: How do you guys reacon an Asrock B450m Pro4 would handle a 5900x?
Abe.#3344: I've been wanting to upgrade for ages and I've finally got a good excuse and enough money for it
Abe.#3344: But I won't have enough money if I need a new mobo too
Abe.#3344: It's either that or a 3080 rn, I'm still debating which one is better (running a 2200g and GTX 960 rn)
Xbox 360 1953#2640: not too sure about that one chief
Abe.#3344: I know, but tbf, it's for VFX/Blender, not just some gaming rig |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I feel like 12c would prove too much for the pro4
Abe.#3344: Mmmmmmmmmmmm
Abe.#3344: So maybe a 3080 now, and a mobo + CPU upgrade next year?
Abe.#3344: It's gonna be one heck of a bottle neck though 😂
Xbox 360 1953#2640: you'd also have to worry about psu
Abe.#3344: 750w should be fine right?
Abe.#3344: It's a second hand Corsair unit, bought it from here actually, and it's been working pretty well for like a year (maybe 2)
Xbox 360 1953#2640: should be fine yeah
JustinXenyx#8854: > How do you guys reacon an Asrock B450m Pro4 would handle a 5900x?
@Abe. boy das fuck no from me
JustinXenyx#8854: 3080 + 2200G would be stupid
JustinXenyx#8854: 400 series chipsets get ryzen 5000 in 2021 btw, so you'd have to wait 2 months anyway
JustinXenyx#8854: Ideally speaking: wait until AMD delivers, then debate your options and then buy
Abe.#3344: A 2200g and 3080 is stupid, but I think it would be pretty functional for blender lmao
Abe.#3344: I can't go AMD graphics, since Optix is way better than OpenGL in every way |
JustinXenyx#8854: That is semi-true, the 3080 is a little lackluster with VRAM though
JustinXenyx#8854: Optix?
JustinXenyx#8854: oh the proprietary ray tracing API
Abe.#3344: Yeah
Abe.#3344: I heard rumours about a 3080 Ti?
Abe.#3344: With 20gb of Vram
JustinXenyx#8854: you'll have to wait long for that card
Abe.#3344: Which would be very dope
Abe.#3344: Hmmm
Abe.#3344: Maybe I can wait till I hit Year 13
Abe.#3344: And just grind my portfolio for that year till Uni
JustinXenyx#8854: 3080Ti/3080 Super (or what ever the fuck they wanna call it) will have to wait for a solid bit because those cards would effectively kill ANY market the 3090 has
Abe.#3344: Yeah, I was wondering how 20GB makes sense for them
Abe.#3344: Because if you want loads of Vram, you buy a 3090
JustinXenyx#8854: "3080Ti/3080S" would pretty much be a full 3090 core with cut-down VRAM |
JustinXenyx#8854: They'd get flack if they would go lower than 16GB because of AMD now
JustinXenyx#8854: and going 24GB is effectively just rebranding the 3090
JustinXenyx#8854: so 20GB is where they would be realistically
Muse#0557: *this is a house fire of a conversation*
JustinXenyx#8854: > "3080Ti/3080S" would pretty much be a full 3090 core with cut-down VRAM
Let me explain why you would come to that conclusion: there already isn't a huge difference from 3080 to 3090 (10-15% performance and 1792 FP32 (cuda core) difference) so there is really no point in cutting the cores down further for a "3080Ti/3080S" sku
Muse#0557: Rip
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777314848220119040/image0.png
mi3night#2562: Ok
mi3night#2562: @Muse u here
Muse#0557: ?
mi3night#2562: $800 pc including kb/m and monitor
Xbox 360 1953#2640: that you for subcontracting lol
mi3night#2562: damn
mi3night#2562: thats a big word |
Muse#0557: I'm here to help people but I don't really feel like doing your job for you fella
mi3night#2562: im making the list
mi3night#2562: right now
Muse#0557: I'm also not in the US market
mi3night#2562: alr i just go on a different server tkx
Xbox 360 1953#2640: damn
Xbox 360 1953#2640: i was joking
FantaStick#8008: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYKn68
FantaStick#8008: best you can do with new parts rn
FantaStick#8008: went with intel because adobe suite / big ass hdd because photos and video will take up a lot of space
FantaStick#8008: 144hz ips doesnt quite make the budget rn, no good sales on em, settled for 75hz ips instead
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Midnight prioritizes a more powerful CPU
FantaStick#8008: fair enough
FantaStick#8008: 10100 seems good to me cause its beats everything from the i7 7700 and back |
FantaStick#8008: for most people itd be a nice boost in performance
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9jMXkX
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Cut a lot of corners to fit in $800
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 2600 + 1660
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @mi3night
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @FantaStick https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KzgZJf
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Midnight's build
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PgxTYg
FantaStick#8008: yikes
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yikes to me or?
FantaStick#8008: midnights build
FantaStick#8008: if you want to say fuck it to storage space you could also do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TynXkX
Yon#7961: any last suggestions?
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y6cNPV
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: That Crucial drive you can swap for an NVME M2 version |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: For practically the same price
Yon#7961: kk
Yon#7961: same gb?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And I don't know about the board, but it looks kinda, barebones for $120
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah, 500GB
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: About the keyboard...
mi3night#2562: Oh yeah I forgot intel is good value now
mi3night#2562: Cuz amd raised the prices on the 3600
mi3night#2562: From $165 to 200
Yon#7961: ...
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @Sony PS-FL77 said something about the G213 that it's not a true mechanical keyboard @Yon
Yon#7961: oh
Sony PS-FL77#3627: "mech-dome keys"
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Any suggestions for a good keyboard under $50
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Ellie |
Sony PS-FL77#3627: nope
Sony PS-FL77#3627: None new
Sony PS-FL77#3627: Chinese mechanicals are the only mechs you'll find
Sony PS-FL77#3627: without going second hand and trying your luck at the ebay lottery
Sony PS-FL77#3627: https://digitaladvisor.com/keyboards/mechanical/under-50/
mi3night#2562: tbh
mi3night#2562: if you're a pro gamer just get g pro
mi3night#2562: thats what i would say
mi3night#2562: corsair keyboards have reliablity issues
Yon#7961: should I change that to Samsung 860 evo around 50 too
Yon#7961: > That Crucial drive you can swap for an NVME M2 version
@Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xpYLrH/crucial-p1-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct500p1ssd8
Yon#7961: it's the same price
Yon#7961: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777333114279428096/Screenshot_20201114_194410.jpg |
mi3night#2562: charlie @Charlie Foxtrot
mi3night#2562: what about switching the ssd to p1
mi3night#2562: from the 2.5
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It's NVME
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @Yon Samsung is good but only SATA 3
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777333379900506162/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: this build
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > what about switching the ssd to p1
@mi3night Does that cut down the price or?
mi3night#2562: it's like $2 more
mi3night#2562: for a p1
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah
mi3night#2562: actually it's $4 more
mi3night#2562: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T3Kn68
Yon#7961: I can get amd cpu for that price too |
Sony PS-FL77#3627: THE FUCKERS
Sony PS-FL77#3627: https://digitaladvisor.com/keyboards/mechanical/under-50/ THEY JUST CALLED A TENKEYLESS A 60%
Sony PS-FL77#3627: THE PATHETIC IDIOTS
Sony PS-FL77#3627: Also, the "blind keyswitch test" video LTT did is basically the mechanical keyboard version of the Verge PC build
Sony PS-FL77#3627: I swear to god I just said 'Razer Ornata" and now I got an ad for one
Sony PS-FL77#3627: ffs I hate botnet
Yon#7961: I think the havit one is pretty good
Yon#7961: is redragon k582 a good choice?
Yon#7961: which one @Sony PS-FL77
Sony PS-FL77#3627: Idk
Personally don't know or use any of them
Sony PS-FL77#3627: Hence just sharing the link
I don't have much personal experience other than research
FantaStick#8008: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777351497108422716/unknown.png
FantaStick#8008: jesus christ theyre clueless |
Yon#7961: lol
FantaStick#8008: redragon stuff is decent
FantaStick#8008: theyre basically a chinesium brand that has at least some reputation built up for themselves
FantaStick#8008: most important thing is the switch, after that what material they use for the faceplate, and then everything else is kinda eh whatever
FantaStick#8008: i guess keycaps used are important as well
FantaStick#8008: cant go wrong with doubleshot pbt
Yon#7961: re dragon is ten keyless
Yon#7961: while havit is metal and have ten keya
Yon#7961: I think I should change the case to a cheaper one
Yon#7961: > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y6cNPV
@Yon
Yon#7961: should I switch out the graphic card for a better one?
Yon#7961: @"Cobs"
"Cobs"#1150: if you can get a better one for the price, sure.
"Cobs"#1150: otherwise its not bad |
Yon#7961: ok
Yon#7961: razer kraken x or razer kraken?
mi3night#2562: kraken x
mi3night#2562: regular krakens like the ones i have is trash
mi3night#2562: i think apple earpods have better sound quality
Yon#7961: but the new ones have something cooling
Yon#7961: for the ear pads
D.D.M#8226: Can anybody recommend me good gaming laptops under 800€
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Wot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @D.D.M So your parents allowed you to import a laptop?
D.D.M#8226: Nope
D.D.M#8226: Just any laptop and I'll see if its sold here
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The Lenovo we talked earlier?
D.D.M#8226: It sold out too
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So you can't wait until Christmas? |
DarknessFalls229#2286: isnt black friday coming up aswell?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yeah
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Problem is
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: People are literally grabbing all the laptops in the entire country or something
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Pick one laptop and a few days later it is out of stock
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Wait a minute
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The Lenovo is still there
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.anhoch.com/product/599870405/notebook-lenovo-gaming-3-15imh-i5-10300h-8gb256gb-ssdgtx1650-4gb156-fhd-ips-120hzbacklitkbdos
D.D.M#8226: Its because of online school
D.D.M#8226: Ppl are buying them like crazy
GWilkins#9454: > Can anybody recommend me good gaming laptops under 800€
@D.D.M at that price, you can probably get something with a gtx 1650 and an i5 or Ryzen 5 processor. There also seems to have 8gb of ram at that price which should be alright. And then for gaming, you'd want at least a 512gb ssd. You can also find some at that price range with a 120hz monitor as well. So i'd say go on tech retail websites and filter using those specs and you should be able to find something good for your budget.
Plus, you can always look at a review on youtube of the specific laptop you're looking at to get an idea of build quality, battery life, thermals and just an opinion of the laptop from someone other than the company trying to sell it to you.
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Well he's living in a non-EU country so things get a little complicated |
D.D.M#8226: The thing is i need a laptop for school
GWilkins#9454: And I'm surprised that laptops are in high demand at the moment seeing as we can't go anywhere 😅
GWilkins#9454: ah ok
GWilkins#9454: I was just going off a gaming laptop
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Good news
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: D.D.M
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: You have 2 ways
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 1. Buy that Lenovo ASAP
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 2. Buy it from another country
GWilkins#9454: hmm, but if you're using it for school, you're probably also going to want a decent battery life, but with a 1080p 120hz IPS display, that would make the battery not last as long due to the power required to run it
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Well
GWilkins#9454: but it does claim to have 9.7 hours of battery. So if you trust that to be accurate, then I'd say thats a good deal.
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I checked a Notebookcheck review
DarknessFalls229#2286: im almost sure you could just do schoolwork on a potatoe of a laptop
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It's pretty decent at 6 hours |
GWilkins#9454: 6 hours is alright I guess. Plus, you could always just set the display to 60hz when you're not gaming so it lasts longer
GWilkins#9454: But yeah, that does look like a good one to go for.
GWilkins#9454: Plus, it doesn't have any RGB or flashy looks so it would blend in in a school environment.
D.D.M#8226: I dont plan to game or do alot more than web browsing on battery but when i have classes the one i am using rn i leave it plugged in
D.D.M#8226: And same for gaming
GWilkins#9454: Ok then, well I think that Lenovo is a good one then. I'd go for it if you're happy with it.
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I don't even know if he should pull the trigger now or wait for Black Friday
GWilkins#9454: hmm, I don't know. Might sell out before Black Friday,
D.D.M#8226: I have a friend that works at one of the shops
D.D.M#8226: He says they might restock before black friday
D.D.M#8226: Now i also had a talk with my parents
D.D.M#8226: They suggest me to buy an hp or a dell
D.D.M#8226: As they have the most service here
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: How exactly
D.D.M#8226: With like repairs |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Have you informed them that their specs are junk
D.D.M#8226: Yes
D.D.M#8226: They are saying i should get either one of those
D.D.M#8226: Remember the asus tuf laptop i told you about?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: That one
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The 3750H
D.D.M#8226: Yeah
D.D.M#8226: Good or bad
D.D.M#8226: I went to the shop
D.D.M#8226: Looks nice
D.D.M#8226: 512gb ssd
D.D.M#8226: Plus a 2'5 bay
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @DarknessFalls229 R7 3750H vs i5 10300H, who would win
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Personally I don't trust the TUF series
DarknessFalls229#2286: probably the 10300 is a little bit better with its higher turbo, but the 3750H has 10 GPU cores which are naturally better than intel integrated graphics |
D.D.M#8226: And the keyboard is nice
D.D.M#8226: Better than my 5€ "gaming" keyboard
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: From NBC the 10300H kicks the 3750H in the balls
D.D.M#8226: I told them that you guys recommended the lenovo but they dont trust you all
D.D.M#8226: But by how much does it kicks its balls
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The Vega GPU won't make that much of a difference anyways
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 10-15%?
DarknessFalls229#2286: do they have dGPUs?
D.D.M#8226: Yeah
D.D.M#8226: The lenovo has a 1650
D.D.M#8226: Same with the asus
DarknessFalls229#2286: ahhh
DarknessFalls229#2286: then go whichever in terms of performance id say
D.D.M#8226: But the lenovo has a 10300h
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.notebookcheck.net/No-Intel-Required-Asus-TUF-FX505DT-Laptop-Review-with-Ryzen-7-and-GeForce-GTX-1650.426695.0.html |
D.D.M#8226: Well for gaming i am not a fps junkie
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-3i-15IMH05-in-review-Core-i5-at-full-throttle.480784.0.html
Yon#7961: guys razer kraken x kraken or nari?
Yon#7961: @Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: I am not an audiophile
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Ask Midnight
Yon#7961: ok
Yon#7961: @mi3night
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: DDM, the Asus has even worse IO
D.D.M#8226: Yes
D.D.M#8226: I know
D.D.M#8226: Look
D.D.M#8226: I will have a talk with one of my dads friends who knows his laptops and than i will see
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yes
Yon#7961: also Charlie |
Yon#7961: So am i suppose to get the 650 watt or 700 wattt
D.D.M#8226: Looking at reviews the lenovo with the 1650 ti is great
D.D.M#8226: And it looks like my type
D.D.M#8226: Of style
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Also it's the 1650
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 1650 Ti is only 10% better IIRC
Yon#7961: ???
D.D.M#8226: In the specs on anhoch it says it has a 1650 ti
D.D.M#8226: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777564944782721044/Screenshot_20201115-170522_Edge.jpg
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Perfection
Un karr#9168: any thinkpad geeks here? i have a t440 thinkpad that i want to replace with a newer thinkpad. i have 400 pounds to spend. any recommendations?
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Sony PS-FL77 thinkpadder here
D.D.M#8226: Update on choice: my dad is hella sus on lenovo laptop
Yon#7961: hahaha
Yon#7961: gl on peesuading him |
D.D.M#8226: Welp its my money i am using and hes just suggesting
Yon#7961: oh
D.D.M#8226: He is sus on every company other hp, dell, apple and idk which else
Yon#7961: apple suck
D.D.M#8226: Ye
Yon#7961: they overheat when I use discord
Yon#7961: and Spotify
D.D.M#8226: Bruh
Yon#7961: just those two
D.D.M#8226: Well i found a Lenovo gaming laptop
Yon#7961: what's your budget again?
D.D.M#8226: You can see specs above
D.D.M#8226: Up to 800€
Yon#7961: oh
Yon#7961: you can get a decent desktop with that |
D.D.M#8226: Thats some 720 or something €
D.D.M#8226: Welp sadly i need a laptop for school
Yon#7961: oh
Yon#7961: I'm buying my desk to soon too
Yon#7961: desktop
D.D.M#8226: Nice
D.D.M#8226: I want to use my desktop but i dont have space in my room for
D.D.M#8226: It
D.D.M#8226: So i am gonna give it to my lil bro
Yon#7961: lol
Yon#7961: how big is your room?
D.D.M#8226: Not alot
Yon#7961: my brother already have his laptop
D.D.M#8226: Like a small rectangle
Yon#7961: I don't even have one |
Yon#7961: hahaha
D.D.M#8226: I forgot dimensions
D.D.M#8226: And my bro also uses the pc
D.D.M#8226: So thats also why i am grabbing a laptop
Yon#7961: oh
JustinXenyx#8854: Ideally you should be looking at a smaller laptop + desktop if you can fit them, because at 800€ you're still making a ton of compromises on a gaming laptop @D.D.M
Dogecode#7321: ^^
Dogecode#7321: just get a cheap laptop, as long as it's sandy bridge or above you shouldn't have much trouble with slowness. obviously you won't play games on that but then you'll have like 600-650€ towards an actually decent desktop
mi3night#2562: Unless you’re always on the go get a latitude and a desktop
mi3night#2562: I think latitudes are nicer than thinkpads
zwect#1210: what's an ideal cheap PSU for an pc like 9100F + 8gb ddr4 + gtx 750? (on the future, a planned 1650 upgrade + 1 8GB stick of ram added)
mi3night#2562: 500w is good enough
mi3night#2562: 650w is recommended if you want to do something like a 2070s and 3600 level power usage upgrade
zwect#1210: any brands?
zwect#1210: (recommended ones) |
Muse#0557: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sX7v6h/be-quiet-pure-power-11-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bn902
Muse#0557: My personal recommendation
mi3night#2562: dang $80?
zwect#1210: not available on brazil lol
Muse#0557: really shoud specify your country
mi3night#2562: nor in the US for 2-4 weeks
zwect#1210: yeah sorry for that
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777683666134237246/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: thats oof
JustinXenyx#8854: > what's an ideal cheap PSU for an pc like 9100F + 8gb ddr4 + gtx 750? (on the future, a planned 1650 upgrade + 1 8GB stick of ram added)
@zwect Since you're in brazil giving a straight on recommendation isn't going to be quite helpful
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777683750841745458/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: we can push you in the right direction, but us giving specific models is quite useless info
Muse#0557: Brazil is umm
Muse#0557: only 2 with prices on pcpp for like the first 30 |
zwect#1210: that's sad
the range of cheap PSU's they are finding are like corsair VS models and some EVGA's
zwect#1210: for some reason a CX 450 is way expensive
JustinXenyx#8854: the newer corsair VS models are fine
zwect#1210: black letters?
JustinXenyx#8854: newer VS is basically CX with lower efficiency
mi3night#2562: dont ever get green labels
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777683992623185990/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: > black letters?
@zwect yeah that's the newer model
mi3night#2562: if you see any old stock green lables avoid it
Muse#0557: vs is gold or black
JustinXenyx#8854: we usually distinguish them by grey label vs green label
Muse#0557: 425 is 77USD
Muse#0557: Yikes |
mi3night#2562: oof
Yon#7961: what
zwect#1210: oh ok
Muse#0557: for a CX450
Yon#7961: oh
JustinXenyx#8854: well Muse PCPP is quite lackluster for brazil
Muse#0557: seems that way
JustinXenyx#8854: a lot of retailers aren't listed there afair
Yon#7961: they all so expensive
Muse#0557: Don't know brazillian retailers off the top of my head
Muse#0557: Forgive my sin
zwect#1210: > 650w is recommended if you want to do something like a 2070s and 3600 level power usage upgrade
@mi3night oh wow so it means using a 750W CX is overkill for 2070 + 3600?
mi3night#2562: 650w is for future proof if you end up buying a more power hungry pc. 450w is perfect for what you have right now
mi3night#2562: thats how i put it |
zwect#1210: bcuz well it's what im using xd
zwect#1210: no planned upgrades tho
mi3night#2562: what
Muse#0557: imo 450w isnt really worth buying
Yon#7961: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777684422706200576/20201115_190010.jpg
Yon#7961: this a good deal?
JustinXenyx#8854: > oh wow so it means using a 750W CX is overkill for 2070 + 3600?
@zwect i'd say it's somewhat overkill for those parts specifically
JustinXenyx#8854: but it leaves some nice room for upgrades
Muse#0557: 5ms ips 24 inch
Muse#0557: yes
Muse#0557: looks good to me
JustinXenyx#8854: it's average for a black friday deal @Yon
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777684589660995604/R4UCW_SQ1_0000000004_BLACK_SLf.png
Yon#7961: oh |
Muse#0557: nothing wrong with it tho
Muse#0557: to be clear
JustinXenyx#8854: yeah nothing wrong with that
mi3night#2562: i think 500-750 is the range for a 2020 pc builder imo
Yon#7961: yeah
zwect#1210: that's quite funny
Muse#0557: its not like a 450w wont work for a lot of people
Yon#7961: is this good keyboard
zwect#1210: my father uses a 4790 with 1080 TI on a 650W MWE
Muse#0557: its just dead money imo
zwect#1210: don't ask why an old i7 like that
Yon#7961: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777684880091512852/20201115_190152.jpg
Yon#7961: pretty cheap
mi3night#2562: rn im running a AX850 and it's a overkill
Muse#0557: i can smell the cheapness on those winter |
Yon#7961: oh
Muse#0557: man has fallen for generic rgb crap
Muse#0557: thats not even cheap
mi3night#2562: $70 for those
mi3night#2562: oh no no no
Deleted User#0000: for me, it's the microsoft wheel mouse optical
JustinXenyx#8854: it's acceptable for 70 bucks
JustinXenyx#8854: keyboard alone is like 45 or so
JustinXenyx#8854: and they aren't bad mechs either
zwect#1210: rgb headset
mi3night#2562: is it outemu ?
Muse#0557: the headset is worth 0 tbf
zwect#1210: cringe
mi3night#2562: or rubber dome
Yon#7961: oh yeah |
JustinXenyx#8854: midnight it says mechanical
Yon#7961: I don't need the headset
JustinXenyx#8854: it's NOT a rubber dome keyboard
mi3night#2562: probably really cheap switches like outemu
zwect#1210: also
Yon#7961: what abt this? it was on the web someone posted before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777685462831595570/20201115_190357.jpg
Muse#0557: Personally I'd just get a G203 and Cynosa lite and stand by the fact that mechanical keyboards are overrated as all hell
zwect#1210: wanted to hear from any of you who knows about mechanical keyboards
zwect#1210: is it worth it 'upgrading' from a G19S to a K95 Platinum or so?
mi3night#2562: muse
Yon#7961: https://digitaladvisor.com/keyboards/mechanical/under-50/
mi3night#2562: hows a used keyboard
mi3night#2562: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Razer-Black-Widow-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-2013-Blue-Mechanical-Switches/393000801335?hash=item5b80ac5437:g:3FkAAOSwOghfoVKJ
mi3night#2562: like those
mi3night#2562: MX blue |
zwect#1210: or G710+
Muse#0557: if you clean it
Muse#0557: not bad
Yon#7961: it was the second option
Muse#0557: dont know how reliable its going to be 7 years on
Muse#0557: same for the G710+
Yon#7961: metal plate
Muse#0557: Most have been used into the ground
mi3night#2562: thats the keyboard i have rn
mi3night#2562: one thing tho
Muse#0557: My BW TE has a buggered . key
mi3night#2562: no RGB
Muse#0557: gotta punch it down
mi3night#2562: the razer i have is only green light
zwect#1210: wait |
mi3night#2562: idrc about rgb
zwect#1210: is brown switch good?
zwect#1210: like, not loud and shit
mi3night#2562: it's in between blue and red
Muse#0557: All switches are subjective
Yon#7961: I just choose the second one since it had a metal plate
Muse#0557: Winter hold off
JustinXenyx#8854: > Personally I'd just get a G203 and Cynosa lite and stand by the fact that mechanical keyboards are overrated as all hell
@Muse there are no facts with personal preference my dude
JustinXenyx#8854: :Xdxdxd:
Yon#7961: > most important thing is the switch, after that what material they use for the faceplate, and then everything else is kinda eh whatever
Muse#0557: its true to me 🥺
Yon#7961: hold off meaning wait a sec?
Muse#0557: winter hold off on that I can assure you that there's more than one keyboard and mouse combo in existence
Muse#0557: yes hold off meaning that |
mi3night#2562: hows g pro mouse
Yon#7961: ok
Muse#0557: honestly im not sold on "pro" mice that cost 3x as much
Muse#0557: its not like youre going to be missing stuff with a g203
Muse#0557: or deathadder
mi3night#2562: the sensor ?
Muse#0557: I mean practicallly
Muse#0557: any half decent mouse is gonna to be leagues faster than our disgusting monkey brains anyway
Yon#7961: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777686888034992158/20201115_190940.jpg
Yon#7961: how abt those
Yon#7961: it was from before
Yon#7961: but more exp
Muse#0557: 50 bucks for a g310
Yon#7961: oh webcam?
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ktPHGq |
Yon#7961: around 942
Yon#7961: since the cpu is only 170 at my micro center
Muse#0557: o lord
Muse#0557: add the microcentre prices in then
Yon#7961: can't
Yon#7961: it isn't on there
Muse#0557: click the cog
Yon#7961: what cog
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777688104102002688/unknown.png
Muse#0557: cog next to price
Yon#7961: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777688310360703046/20201115_191525.jpg
Yon#7961: setting button?
Muse#0557: ._.
Muse#0557: how can you not
Muse#0557: identify |
Muse#0557: the thing next to the cpu price
Yon#7961: ok
Yon#7961: done
Yon#7961: but there isn't really a need :JellyBeanFace:
Muse#0557: it lets people understand
Muse#0557: how much youre spending
Yon#7961: ok
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKFrvf
Yon#7961: there with also the monitor and headset price included
Yon#7961: I think I should buy a optical drive with burning functions
Alcyone#2233: you dont need an optical drive
Yon#7961: why not?
Alcyone#2233: unless you do legacy stuff that cant usb boot
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Optical drives are so 90s
Alcyone#2233: they were pretty common up to about 5 years ago |
Alcyone#2233: but with flash storage and hdd spo chjeap these days its not really important anymore
Yon#7961: flash storage?
Alcyone#2233: usb drives, sd cards, ssds
Yon#7961: does cds have a limit to their storage?
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Yes
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Like all things
Yon#7961: how to you see their limit
Yon#7961: oh
Yon#7961: i think i should get one
Yon#7961: i have those old blu ray dvd players already
Yon#7961: with lots of cd
D.D.M#8226: @JustinXenyx @Dogecode just to inform you guys, i am willing to accept the sacrifices of a gaming laptop and thats why i decided to buy one too, as right now i have online school but when and if covid goes away, and when i have to go back to school irl, i have to move between houses and i think that lets say ex. The i5 10300h and a gtx 1650 are a good combo as i dont think i will game alot of heavy titles other than maybe MW and apex for a couple of years.
mi3night#2562: @D.D.M for school, I’d go against a gaming laptop all day. Trust me you rather want a normal laptop for school
mi3night#2562: Like a latitude or thinkpad
mi3night#2562: The fan on the gaming laptop literally made the class go :OmegaLUL: |
mi3night#2562: It’s embarrassing
mi3night#2562: For me at least
D.D.M#8226: No i am not bringing the laptop to school i just need it for homework and art class and some gaming
mi3night#2562: And the battery life lasts only 2 classes
D.D.M#8226: But since i move between houses i need a laptop
Sony PS-FL77#3627: > @Sony PS-FL77 thinkpadder here
@DarknessFalls229 I only know the bottom of the barrel thinkpads I bought from you xD
mi3night#2562: Tbh
mi3night#2562: Is dell.Com available in your country @D.D.M
D.D.M#8226: Idk l
D.D.M#8226: Let me see
mi3night#2562: Check it out
mi3night#2562: Contact them about this laptop
mi3night#2562: Waiittttttt
mi3night#2562: https://www.dell.com/mk/p/g-series-15-5505-laptop/pd |
mi3night#2562: This oneeeeee
mi3night#2562: @D.D.M
mi3night#2562: Contact them about it
mi3night#2562: $700 r5 4600h 5600m
D.D.M#8226: Cool
D.D.M#8226: I will call them
mi3night#2562: Sure gn
D.D.M#8226: So basically dell isnt in macedonia but they partnered with a petrol company to sell their products here lol
D.D.M#8226: So their services are here just under the petrols name
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: No
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Stop
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It's junk
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Going-all-in-on-AMD-Dell-G5-15-Special-Edition-Radeon-RX-5600M-Laptop-Review.477090.0.html
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And AMD drivers @D.D.M
D.D.M#8226: Yeah i read reviews |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://youtu.be/ugN7mEoQNdg
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: The perf is like 2060 level
Hfz_Nbw#7377: My PC wont crank up, just stuck at spinning dots (the dots itself also wont turn around)
What should i do?
mi3night#2562: :orange:
mi3night#2562: I’d rather have the G5 all day compared to the Lenovo
mi3night#2562: also AMD drivers are basically fixed now
mi3night#2562: the shitty amd driver news are back in march
mi3night#2562: so it's basically a 10750h and 2060 laptop for $850
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777965083992129556/csm_MG_9695_4dd3fdb512.png
mi3night#2562: and it has better cooling than the 3i
mi3night#2562: even tho the amd cpu+gpu will run much cooler than intel and nvidia
DarknessFalls229#2286: are AMD 5000 series GPUs power efficient?
DarknessFalls229#2286: i know they made some big statements about 6000 but never 5000 |
mi3night#2562: depends if you compare it with 2060 max Q
mi3night#2562: or the regular 2060
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h6AAqd4Lno
DarknessFalls229#2286: fair
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0CNfjv2tgA
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777965896970010685/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: with drivers now being better and more optimized then it might outperform 2060 non max Q
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777966848431489034/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: the 6 core cpu even can match a 8 core intel part
DarknessFalls229#2286: isnt intel extremely power and temperature limited on laptops?
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777967576348491866/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: @DarknessFalls229 haha 14nm go brrrrr
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777967692903874570/unknown.png
DarknessFalls229#2286: mhmm
mi3night#2562: this is the laptop he wants |
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777967737707167764/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: this is the laptop i recommend
mi3night#2562: for like 100 euros more
DarknessFalls229#2286: huge difference for one hundies
mi3night#2562: tbf it's a 10300h
mi3night#2562: 9300h and 10300h dont make much of a difference anyway
mi3night#2562: oh nvm that has a 1650ti
mi3night#2562: so about 60fps then
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777968246833020958/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: @DarknessFalls229 when i post benchmarks to show how it's better
everyone: but benchmarks dont matter
me: ok it might not be same as the real world numbers so im gonna post gaming benchmarks
everyone: but those youtube benchmarks despite coming from a person thats somewhat reputable is fake
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmmmm
DarknessFalls229#2286: whose everyone though |
DarknessFalls229#2286: i hope not from this tech discord
mi3night#2562: basically everyone
mi3night#2562: in this tech discord
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmm
FantaStick#8008: ???
mi3night#2562: i prove to muse that the 3960x was a good cpu once overclocked and it's sandy so it can OC easily
mi3night#2562: but nope he doesnt want any cinebenchs nor firestrikes on how it can still keep up
MythologicalZ#3752: So everyone is one person
MythologicalZ#3752: And you bring up an argument from ages ago
MythologicalZ#3752: Radical stuff
mi3night#2562: i know sad
FantaStick#8008: Midnight
FantaStick#8008: Stop being a cringe kid
mi3night#2562: wym
FantaStick#8008: Just don't be cringe |
mi3night#2562: ok
FantaStick#8008: Good
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777969835593826350/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: that is good
FantaStick#8008: It's alright
mi3night#2562: 1080p ips tho
FantaStick#8008: Could just pick up any used 1080p monitor for way cheaper tho
Deleted User#0000: hi guys i want to add an egpu using pci 2x to 16x for my pc (all in one) do you think it's worth it or not
mi3night#2562: i think i sell my 1080p 60hz monitors for more than that
FantaStick#8008: Call me if they do another 1080p 144hz for 99$ again
mi3night#2562: the
FantaStick#8008: Egpu is never really worth it
mi3night#2562: egpu is only worth it in laptops
mi3night#2562: with TB3 dongle
FantaStick#8008: If you don't mind a little work, sell the damn aio and build a desktop |
mi3night#2562: whats the specs of your aio @Deleted User
FantaStick#8008: Yeah this part is also important
mi3night#2562: why is dell black friday this year so meh
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777971051501453362/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: the only ones that are eye catching
mi3night#2562: @FantaStick what do you think about the 11th gen cpus with Xe graphics
FantaStick#8008: Uhhh
FantaStick#8008: They're alright
FantaStick#8008: I haven't followed mobile very closely but I assume they're roughly in the same realm as 4000 series ryzen mobile
Deleted User#0000: > whats the specs of your aio @Deleted User
@mi3night i5 7400
8 gb of ddr4
Deleted User#0000: sorry for that delay
mi3night#2562: i dont think it's worth it
mi3night#2562: because it will create a mess on your table |
mi3night#2562: and i think you're better off buying a tower instead
Deleted User#0000: I can sell it for 700
Deleted User#0000: bucks
mi3night#2562: jesus Christ
mi3night#2562: thats like a imac's resell value ooo
Deleted User#0000: the screen is 4k that's why
mi3night#2562: oh damn
mi3night#2562: yeah with pcie x2 you cant really drive any decent gpus
Deleted User#0000: i really want it for work not gaming
Deleted User#0000: i saw the benchmarks of thepci 2x. the score was so low
mi3night#2562: whats your work about?
mi3night#2562: cad?
Deleted User#0000: 3d max and
Deleted User#0000: blender
mi3night#2562: oh yeah i recommend you building a pc then |
Deleted User#0000: so amd or intel
mi3night#2562: the 7400 aio is gonna get you nowhere
Deleted User#0000: ?
mi3night#2562: amd ryzen
Deleted User#0000: 3,5,7?
mi3night#2562: depends on your budget
mi3night#2562: you can sell the AIO for $700 how much do you want to add on top of that
Deleted User#0000: well those 3d rendering things need a good gpu
Deleted User#0000: I think I should pic a rx 580 or 1060
mi3night#2562: i say a 1660 super or TI
mi3night#2562: theyre not much more new
Deleted User#0000: > i say a 1660 super or TI
@mi3night great idea
mi3night#2562: USA?
Deleted User#0000: IRAN!bruh |
mi3night#2562: oh damn
mi3night#2562: idk the iranian market
Deleted User#0000: it's ok i also have 450 doller form that egpu which i saved
Deleted User#0000: 700+500=1200 quick math
mi3night#2562: $1200 budget including monitor
mi3night#2562: thats a pretty comfy budget
Deleted User#0000: well that aio has monitor
Deleted User#0000: i also have a second monitor
Deleted User#0000: but two 1080 is better
FantaStick#8008: No idea about iran's pc market but
FantaStick#8008: In the US that's a solid budget
mi3night#2562: what market places do you use ?
mi3night#2562: link us to a few and we check it out
Deleted User#0000: well I always buy my pc accessories from a site which buy's from amazon
Deleted User#0000: but these are the best iranian sites for computer market |
Deleted User#0000: https://www.lioncomputer.com/
Deleted User#0000: i don't think you can find something useful on it
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777977236795949086/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777977301358608394/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: is google high
mi3night#2562: or thats true?
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777977565629120512/unknown.png
Deleted User#0000: well google is not working after that ww3 meme they banned us
mi3night#2562: wait
mi3night#2562: oh yeah
Deleted User#0000: 1 doller is 25000 tomans
Deleted User#0000: or250000rials
FantaStick#8008: That moment when iranian market is better than the US market
mi3night#2562: lmfao
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777977905039933481/unknown.png |
mi3night#2562: it's about $252
FantaStick#8008: Ah google is on drugs
FantaStick#8008: Nevermind
Deleted User#0000: it's a bug
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777978421351153684/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777978441848324114/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: $82 for 16gb of ddr4 3000 cl16
Deleted User#0000: tax :(
DarknessFalls229#2286: thats before tax?
mi3night#2562: tax is not included in price??
FantaStick#8008: Tax isn't included in price
mi3night#2562: hey i thought thats exclusive to hamburger country
Deleted User#0000: no in iran it must be included
FantaStick#8008: Unless you live in tea country
mi3night#2562: or hamburger country |
mi3night#2562: @Deleted User so thats after tax
mi3night#2562: right
Deleted User#0000: yes
FantaStick#8008: They don't deserve hamburgers over there
mi3night#2562: ok good
mi3night#2562: you scare me
Deleted User#0000: we don't have mc donalds in iran
mi3night#2562: mcdonalds are meh anyways lol
mi3night#2562: as a american i dont like american food besides steak and BBQ salmon
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777979295028346912/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: ok 1660 super
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777979376561553408/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: my god
Deleted User#0000: well it's 299
mi3night#2562: wha |
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777979833149816842/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: why are the 2060 the same price
Deleted User#0000: let me check the sites
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/777980312001052722/unknown.png
Deleted User#0000: I don't know why did this happen
Deleted User#0000: lmao the rtx 2060 is cheaper than gtx 1660 for some reasons
Deleted User#0000: well a amd ryzen 3500 + a4 b450 motherboard+a gtx 1660 6 gb + 16 gb + good power supply cost around 1054 dollers Worth it or not?
Deleted User#0000: also i have a big old case from China
mi3night#2562: @Deleted User how much is the 1660 compared to 2060
Deleted User#0000: 2060 and 1660 both were 14000000tomans
Deleted User#0000: both 6 gig
mi3night#2562: get the 2060 then
Deleted User#0000: so it cost 1049
mi3night#2562: what about storage
Deleted User#0000: i have my own 250 GB green WD + I TB from this aio |
Deleted User#0000: Thank you very much for your help especially for that egpu thing
mi3night#2562: yeah
mi3night#2562: also for the $150 extra money
mi3night#2562: you can choose what to do with it
mi3night#2562: like a 2070 or a 3700x
Deleted User#0000: no i have to buy a second monitor with touch
Deleted User#0000: that's more necessary
Deleted User#0000: Thank you very much mr @mi3night I won't forget your help
Deleted User#0000: peace out
mi3night#2562: alr
mi3night#2562: cya
Deleted User#0000: good bye and have a very nice day
Xbox 360 1953#2640: i cant find my e7500, only my q8200
Xbox 360 1953#2640: :sadlinus:
Xbox 360 1953#2640: epic xacto knife moment https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778049751437279242/20201116_190750.jpg |
JustinXenyx#8854: why an x-acto knife? You tape modded it? @Xbox 360 1953
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I could not find my e7500 so I decided to use the xeon from my other board
Yon#7961: ai ga nai koto ni ki ga tso-
Gamefreak924#5901: What's the best laptop (new or refurb) to buy under $550 (preferably best for budgeting) for office type work?
Gamefreak924#5901: My mom's work (a medical office) needs a couple. Mainly for use with medical websites and office applications.
Yon#7961: missing anything?
Yon#7961: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKFrvf
Gamefreak924#5901: @Yon No, unless you need an optical drive or more ports
Yon#7961: ok
Yon#7961: then I think i can get pi 4 or jetson nano
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: > What's the best laptop (new or refurb) to buy under $550 (preferably best for budgeting) for office type work?
@Gamefreak924 You could get a Ryzen laptop for that price
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Where do you live? US or UK or?
Gamefreak924#5901: US
Gamefreak924#5901: I saw there are refurbished Thinkpad X260s on Best Buy's website for $335, i5-6300u, FHD, 8GB, 256GB SSD |
Gamefreak924#5901: Would that work? Two of them would likely be needed.
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Dual-core i5 not worth it really
Gamefreak924#5901: Do you have something in mind?
Gamefreak924#5901: $550 is stretching the budget by the way, so I'm trying to actually stay under that a bit
Gamefreak924#5901: Eh? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778066581220622367/image0.jpg
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Send me the listing
Gamefreak924#5901: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-IdeaPad-3-15-Laptop-AMD-Ryzen-5-3500U-Quad-Core-Processor-8GB-Memory-256GB-Solid-State-Drive-Windows-10-Almond-81W1009EUS-Google-Classroom-Com/473282751
Dogecode#7321: @Gamefreak924 why not just use one of those old core 2 duo laptops you had? that should do for just basic office work
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ```I gave 1 star because of walmarts ridiculous disclaimer under 'About This Item' "We aim to show you accurate product information. Manufacturers, suppliers and others provide what you see here, and we have not verified it." as this is an item both shipped and sold by walmart and not the manufacturer they should really pay more attention to the products details and take some responsibility. This laptop DOES NOT have an IPS panel as listed by the display.. It actually has a TN panel (as shown in the photo of the box) IPS screens have more vivid colors and better viewing angles than TN TN screens don't usually have the best color accuracy or viewing angles despite the fact that the screen information was wrong, this is a good performing laptop for the price. 5/5 for value```
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: So TN panel
mi3night#2562: @Gamefreak924 if you want a office type of work laptop get a dell latitude
mi3night#2562: for $550 how much is e5570/80
Gamefreak924#5901: says IPS in the description. I dunno
mi3night#2562: also ryzen aside from ryzen 4000 mobile isnt worth buying
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: It's 4c/8t |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Still good
mi3night#2562: it's about the same as a 8250u
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And reviews talked about hardware issues
mi3night#2562: uk market right
mi3night#2562: oh USA
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: ```Bought what I believe is this model of Lenovo from Best Buy (Never Again) and it was utter junk. Had major hardware problems that took about a month to traced. Unfortunately Best Buy only warranties its stuff for 15 DAYS (!!!) while Lenovo only does it for 30. Had to drop all of my classes and lose a semester's worth of work bc of this piece of junk. Buy anything but Lenovo.```
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Warranty problems
Gamefreak924#5901: dang
mi3night#2562: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E5570-15-6-i7-6820HQ-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Windows-10/254780060710?hash=item3b52133426%3Ag%3A8ngAAOSwdmJfso0u&LH_BIN=1
mi3night#2562: something like this performs the same
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Or better
Dogecode#7321: > had to drop all of my classes and lose a semester's worth of work bc of this piece of junk
and that is why you should always have a backup pc
FantaStick#8008: ok thats not warranty
FantaStick#8008: thats a fricken return period |
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778070775215030273/unknown.png
FantaStick#8008: which is 45 days if youre a premium rewards member
FantaStick#8008: otherwise
mi3night#2562: but if you want new eh
Dogecode#7321: but yeah if you go used you can get a better deal
mi3night#2562: dell latitudes are a rip off new
FantaStick#8008: everythings got a 1 year manufacturer warranty
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: What is that listing Midnight
Gamefreak924#5901: $550 is the last resort budget
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Exactly how
mi3night#2562: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E5570-15-6-FHD-i7-6820HQ-2-7GHz-8-32GB-0-1TB-M-2-R7-M370-Win-10/353274524290?hash=item5240cd7282%3Ag%3ARgkAAOSwk2lfrZGS&LH_BIN=1
Gamefreak924#5901: If you can find sub $500, that's preferred
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 32 GB and 1TB of SSD for $530
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778071061711290412/unknown.png
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Oh |
mi3night#2562: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E5570-15-6-i7-6820HQ-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Windows-10/254780060710?hash=item3b52133426%3Ag%3A8ngAAOSwdmJfso0u&LH_BIN=1
mi3night#2562: this one is dgpu less
mi3night#2562: so no m370x
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Which is better for battery life
mi3night#2562: ofc the lenovo because it's new and without a dgpu
mi3night#2562: but if you do a battery swap on the latitude and give it a 75Wh battery of sorts then the latitude
Gamefreak924#5901: The main use is for entering form data and such on the web.
Gamefreak924#5901: Don't need gaming performance
mi3night#2562: reliability and support wise the latitude destroys the lenovo
mi3night#2562: but from the pov of a regular consumer
mi3night#2562: acer swift 3 is pretty good
mi3night#2562: https://www.newegg.com/acer-sf314-42-r6t7/p/1TS-000X-02B07?item=9SIACA1C6S1446&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-acerrecertified-_-notebooks-_-9SIACA1C6S1446&gclid=Cj0KCQiA48j9BRC-ARIsAMQu3WRHiqUJb7xqJhgKnPuxb4-1BEjuAw5eB4gAfJcV24fv6cmZU3_pA44aAjyiEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778072061918445588/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: but reliability is meh and acer support is nowhere as good as dell
mi3night#2562: but that is a choice |
mi3night#2562: dell xps 13 9370 is also a REALLY good laptop but those run for $590 and see if you can get one for $550
mi3night#2562: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-XPS-9370-13-2018-FHD-1-6GHz-i5-8250U-4GB-128GB-SSD-Good-WARRANTY/293824121300?hash=item44694849d4%3Ag%3AGP0AAOSwFMtfqsen&LH_BIN=1
mi3night#2562: something like this
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: 4GB of RAM
mi3night#2562: upgradable
mi3night#2562: actually jk on that
mi3night#2562: nope
mi3night#2562: it isnt upgradable
Gamefreak924#5901: 9370 is a bit on the small side
Gamefreak924#5901: and expensive
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9370-i7-8550U-4K-UHD-Laptop-Review.296596.0.html
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Bruh
Dogecode#7321: could get this (or a similar listing) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E6420-Intel-Core-i7-2760QM-2-40GHz-2GB-Ram-No-HDD-Batt/133556279169?epid=151554000&hash=item1f18931781:g:zeIAAOSwuRxflHC4
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: That thing is too old
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: And inefficient |
mi3night#2562: it's from 2018
Gamefreak924#5901: that's an old i7
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Good luck running that with more than 4 hours of battery
mi3night#2562: it performs like 95% similar to a 10510u
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: But lacks the optimization
mi3night#2562: i mean intel cpus for the past 2 years are basically the same besides the iris plus the Xe cpus
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Also Windows 10 hates older hardware
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Not worth it
mi3night#2562: i mean thats also true about the dell latitude e5570
mi3night#2562: with 6820hq
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: At least it's newer
Dogecode#7321: I haven't had much trouble using it but yeah the battery life is pretty weak
mi3night#2562: wait
Racey#8574: Yeah windows 10 really doesn't like older hardware especially with a hard drive
mi3night#2562: are you guys talking about the e6420 |
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Furthermore what about batteries
mi3night#2562: or the 9370
mi3night#2562: im confused right here
Dogecode#7321: I was talking about the e6420
mi3night#2562: ohhhhhhh
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Would they produce genuine ones anymore
Gamefreak924#5901: :/
mi3night#2562: the e6420 is not in his budget
Dogecode#7321: it's my daily laptop, works pretty well and isn't sluggish with an ssd and enough ram
mi3night#2562: it's $500 but can stretch to $550
JustinXenyx#8854: Windows 10 dislikes anything before Sandy now but Sandy and up are still absolutely fine really
Dogecode#7321: but yeah the disadvantage of older laptops is ofc the battery
mi3night#2562: i mean the acer swift 3 for $540 with a 4500u 8gb and 512gb ssd is looking very good
mi3night#2562: but if you want something more professional looking the e5570 is also good
mi3night#2562: but i wouldnt suggest you buying anything atm |
mi3night#2562: as black friday is like 2 weeks away and new hardware is coming out q1 of next year
JustinXenyx#8854: Midnight the laptop market is always a couple months out of date
JustinXenyx#8854: And given that these laptops seem to be needed for a medical office these are probably needed sooner than later
JustinXenyx#8854: although just to be sure: @Gamefreak924 when would these laptops be needed?
Dogecode#7321: yeah at least wait until black friday/cyber monday
_it's debatable how much you actually save then but I digress_
mi3night#2562: https://www.newegg.com/acer-sf314-42-r6t7/p/1TS-000X-02B07?item=9SIACA1C6S1446&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-acerrecertified-_-notebooks-_-9SIACA1C6S1446&gclid=Cj0KCQiA48j9BRC-ARIsAMQu3WRHiqUJb7xqJhgKnPuxb4-1BEjuAw5eB4gAfJcV24fv6cmZU3_pA44aAjyiEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
mi3night#2562: if this thing drops to $500 then get it
mi3night#2562: but on the new market dell latitudes arent that good value wise
Gamefreak924#5901: I think just sometime within the next week or two
JustinXenyx#8854: well black friday is next friday, so ideally you'd buy them on that day
mi3night#2562: yup
mi3night#2562: https://deals.dell.com/en-us?gacd=9694607-1007-5761040-266781430-0&dgc=st&&gclid=Cj0KCQiA48j9BRC-ARIsAMQu3WRtd2ecH28spxJ_r8gMxI2hX5bclAAxchpi-9xf4xLp7ZIoeZVoFosaAlL7EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
mi3night#2562: here are the dell black friday deals
mi3night#2562: theyre pretty shit |
mi3night#2562: https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/62ta
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd stick within the 10th gen Intel and Ryzen 4000 series, those would last a long time for basic office-esque work and web browsing
mi3night#2562: that inspiron 15 5000 with 4500u looks very good
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778076171010310194/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: For 500 bucks that looks alright, but i'm not sure if that's already stretching the budget
JustinXenyx#8854: iirc he said he would like to stay under 550 per laptop
Gamefreak924#5901: 8gb in single channel
Gamefreak924#5901: lame
mi3night#2562: its kinda expected for that price
mi3night#2562: it's upgradable tho
mi3night#2562: also you wouldnt do anything intensive on the laptop anyways so you can always add another stick of ram in down the line
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Is that an IPS panel @mi3night
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: @Gamefreak924 Do you need only 256GB or 512GB?
Gamefreak924#5901: preferred 512gb in case, but I think 256 is still fine
mi3night#2562: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17hrtNfHRJU |
mi3night#2562: oh god
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778078235941797898/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: i swear to god
mi3night#2562: it's a TN
mi3night#2562: ***wide viewing angle***
Dogecode#7321: https://www.ebay.com/itm/224215582212
mi3night#2562: i5 10210u
mi3night#2562: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778078910948179968/unknown.png
mi3night#2562: if you get unlucky
mi3night#2562: you might end up with a 1366x768 display in that laptop
Dogecode#7321: didn't they update the sticker for 10th gen https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/778079320958697492/Screenshot_from_2020-11-16_21-09-00.png
Dogecode#7321: that's an old style one
Dogecode#7321: so either it's an old picture or it could be a scam
mi3night#2562: It would be a better idea to get the one on dell.com anyways tho
mi3night#2562: It’s brand new |
mi3night#2562: So warranty
mi3night#2562: And other amazing stuff
Xbox 360 1953#2640: https://www.techradar.com/news/100tb-ssds-could-appear-next-year-as-micron-debuts-breakthrough-flash-memory
Gamefreak924#5901: "could"
Gamefreak924#5901: which also translates to "prototypes"
JustinXenyx#8854: The biggest issue with cheaper and cheaper flash technologies is durability
JustinXenyx#8854: So we'd rather hope they fix the durability equation first
mi3night#2562: It’s pretty obvious now that ssd is going to replace HDD in the future tho
mi3night#2562: But when idk
dexsters56#4904: i need some help. im building a 1156 socket pc with a x3440 and gtx 960, the board i have is a foxconn H55MVX is it a ok board or should i look for something else?
The United Earth citizen#0382: @mi3night i'd guess it'd happen in the next 7-8 years or so
Today we aready have SSD's that cost only 1.9 times more per gigabyte than HDDs and 8 years ago they were 5 times more.
DarknessFalls229#2286: @dexsters56 its not a great board, but should be enough unless you wan more than 8GBs of ram
D.D.M#8226: hey guys i have a problem with discord.
D.D.M#8226: so basicaly i am in a call with a bunch of my friends, and from time to time aka mostly a second or 2 the audio keeps cutting off for a split second and i can see it says ICE checking also for a split every time the audio cuts off |
D.D.M#8226: any idea what it could be?
D.D.M#8226: i am using it on Edge
Charlie Foxtrot#9831: Try the desktop app
D.D.M#8226: yeah it was just the web app
D.D.M#8226: it works fine on desktop
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Guys. Remember tape drives and how the HDD where to expensive and unreliable.
DarknessFalls229#2286: smh none of the 20$ SSDs have the screw
FantaStick#8008: What
FantaStick#8008: Screws for 2.5" come with cases, and screws for m.2s come with motherboards
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Exomilav just sayin
Exomilav#5434: an m.2 screw came with my HP EX920, but i'll check my mobo box
Exomilav#5434: oh yeah i got my mobo used and all the accessories except IO shield, manuals, and discs were gone
Exomilav#5434: :Xdxdxd:
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I made a username/password system after like 3 months lol https://www.philipw.ml/projects/noelsgame/game.html
Dogecode#7321: > Screws for 2.5" come with cases, and screws for m.2s come with motherboards |
@FantaStick not necessarily, if you got it used or as a prebuilt it might not have extra screws
hence they should include mounting hardware with the ssd
FantaStick#8008: they should
FantaStick#8008: but the almost never do
FantaStick#8008: also i would assume prebuilts give you the bag of goodies for the case, i know ive seen them before
Dogecode#7321: idk if low end ones would though
Dogecode#7321: although I havent bought a prebuilt desktop new so I wouldnt know
Sony PS-FL77#3627: So
My webcam appears mirrored in discord
And I mean the other person sees me mirrored
Sony PS-FL77#3627: I see myself fine
Sony PS-FL77#3627: Which is wrong
Sony PS-FL77#3627: I should see myself mirrored and they should see me fine
Gamefreak924#5901: Did you try turning it off and back on again
sandrosandro482#8710: hey |
sandrosandro482#8710: so i just got an rx 480
sandrosandro482#8710: red devil
sandrosandro482#8710: but its very high on temps
sandrosandro482#8710: 80-85
sandrosandro482#8710: even with raised fan curve
sandrosandro482#8710: it sits very hot at idle too
sandrosandro482#8710: 56
mi3night#2562: @sandrosandro482 voltage?
sandrosandro482#8710: its stock
mi3night#2562: even with a crappy paste it cant idle that high
sandrosandro482#8710: 1.181 i think
sandrosandro482#8710: yeah the person i got it off of told me it had never been opened
sandrosandro482#8710: i would repaste it rn
mi3night#2562: it's been 4 years since the rx480 came out
sandrosandro482#8710: but from my experience with my rx 570 the paste lost its effectiveness VERY quick |
sandrosandro482#8710: hm
sandrosandro482#8710: thats true
sandrosandro482#8710: should i do it?
sandrosandro482#8710: its decent paste
mi3night#2562: what is it
sandrosandro482#8710: arctic mx-4
mi3night#2562: mx4?
sandrosandro482#8710: ye
mi3night#2562: same
mi3night#2562: try it
sandrosandro482#8710: ok
mi3night#2562: your warranty is already over
sandrosandro482#8710: does yours also lose a lot of the cooling in like 2 weeks
sandrosandro482#8710: after applying paste
mi3night#2562: i had a rx580 |
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