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... comes up to me and he shows me this sort of, a little exchange that he'd taken a screenshot of. and he looks at me, and he says, "you, know, women just-"
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he said, "this is what men are like." and i just kind of looked at him and i was like, "what are you telling me? are you-"
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"... you telling me that just because men harass women, there's nothing that can be done about it because this is male nature?"and he's like, "yes." and then he went into these-
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... and all of that. that resonates a lot with men here who, anyway, have been taught all of this stuff. and now they have white people, doctors no less-
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... saying exactly the same thing. so they're like, "yep. we were always right. we knew this and we men can't, women should." so this young man's solution to me-
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... for women being harassed online? they should just stop using social media. and i just looked at him and i was like, "how do i even begin to tell-"
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"... this young person who otherwise is a really smart, decent guy? how do i begin to tell him that you are so, so wrong?" you know, how do you-
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... do this? and i have! oh, and it drives me crazy because this stuff was sorted out! we should not be having these discussions in 2019!
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and i can't be bothered! but when it's a 28-year-old man, i think that, you know, you have your entire life to enforce your misogyny on the women-
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... around you. and that really upsets me, especially when that person is making an effort to improve himself.
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... backwards thrust in conversation, in ideas is all brought out by this whole gross...
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going to tell me now that i'm going to sit and debate with somebody who says the earth is flat? no, all ideas are not equally valid! and this whole idea of a market-
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... place of ideas? so what you go in there and you just pick and choose what you think is true and what you think is valid? it doesn't work that way and it's the kind of-
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and that's it for me, folks. i'll talk to you guys in the new year. i hope you found this episode interesting. do let me know your thoughts and share and support the show.
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and to be very clear that's skull-shaped, as in dark, macabre, halloween stuff.
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not skull-shaped as in, i appreciate skull shapes in the [inaudible 00:02:45] sense.
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i mean, i have a lot of skull stuff, magnets and mugs and earrings and things, but i'm not a skull-shaped connoisseur, in that way, if you know what i mean?
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content till my ear ears bleed so you don't have to.
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the best patrons ever! to help the show survive and thrive, head on over to patreon.com/nicemangoes and make it happen. there's rewards in it for you. and-
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... a glass of apple cider.
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he was an educator himself...
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and we just had our elections, so this one's been on my mind quite a bit. now, trudeau, i know, isn't part of the skeptosphere yet-
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i kid, i kid! thankfully he has not gone that route. however, i couldn't help but seeing this story through a skeptic scene lens, considering how so many of the-
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really a predictive microcosm of the far right stuff that's about to crop up in the mainstream. you've noticed that too, right?
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new movement atheism have been exposed to and dealing with for ages already.
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that it certainly didn't have the same legitimacy and standing in the culture as-
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... been used in degrading supremacist ways in the past. what is it, if not a perfect example of how white supremacy has many forms outside of a white hood? a pep-
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playful, fun trudeau painted, not just his face, but his hands and knees too, on some occasions.
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now, how was i to reconcile this prime minister browning up his face with galaxy brain sam's words?
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... the fringe of the fringe. the fringe, fringe, fringe.
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is the canadian prime minister, a fringe figure?
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or could it be that harris is maybe embarrassingly wrong?
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eight to 29 times, right?
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again, i kid! most of us, i assume, have not done this. and there really is no excuse for it. as late as 2001-
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but in different ways and to different degrees, many of us have had bad cringe worthy takes, had cringe worthy halloween costumes-
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not like you do a vague non-apology because you were ratioed on twitter, but then you carry on with the same types of takes afterwards.
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he seems to be as he himself acknowledges, someone who grew up in such a privileged bubble with such little thought or regard for the feelings of people so different from-
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that this seemed like an okay thing for him to do in adulthood. it's mind-boggling! it really is. and i don't understand the excuse makers. we should really-
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... all know better now than to make excuses for black or brown face! the caricaturing and the flattening of someone's culture and people like that, and the harmful real world effects it can-
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but what i particularly don't understand about the idw, and that's short for the intellectual dark web, by the way, a cringe name that this collection of anti-left types have chosen for them-
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yes! but as i was saying, what i don't understand about the idw-type takes on blackface are that they [inaudible 00:06:07]-
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and the left awful and unforgiving and smug for ever even wanting to initiate a conversation about blackface at all.
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based on a campus halloween party! this is why trump will get reelected! why can't these miserable sjws let people have a little fun, huh?
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their approach to this is ridiculous. these things need to be addressed, and these conversations need to be had. it's how change happens. it's almost like they-
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can we apply the... was this said by a salafist mullah or idw genius brain? question two: it's getting to be quite a lot of them-
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get a load of this.you can definitely find economists and academics who will show you data that argues that-
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what it takes to raise kids and the norms around that. and one could argue the norms we want to keep around that, right?
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i mean, my wife has had much more responsibility raising our kids than i have. and-
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... you know, it's not to say that that couldn't have been flipped in some world, but-
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... frankly, our kids are better off that we didn't flip it. she's a better mom than i would've been. and it's not to say, i'm not-
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... super involved, but there's a difference. and the difference starts with our biology. right? it's not, you know... there are hormonal differences between men and women that are relevant here. testost-
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... keep thing that i find incredibly concerning.
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this is also pretty much like the arguments you hear from religious fundies, ironically, who would use this talking point to either say that it's a woman's job to stay home and raise kids or to push the-
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... idea that same sex parents, dads in particular, couldn't possibly provide the same quality of care that a traditional family, that is a mother and a father, would-
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... be able to, because biology. it's just science guys!
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it's such dangerous backwards bs that they're popularizing! again, wrapped up as logic and reason and science-
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i mean, i guess i can get mad and say, "i didn't tell you that! i didn't suggest that!" i may know, but the point is that the power dynamic issue was real.
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the first one you're saying, part of it is right and part of it is not. the part that is not right, is that she didn't look-
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... is a fair assessment.
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... initiated the flirting. i'm not sure how that's relevant because you can, in fact, flirt with someone and change your mind or not give consent to other actions.
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i should not have done that, and maybe that was a fire-able offense in and of itself.
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... the waters hiding behind bdsm an excuse for what we've been told by the accuser is non-consensual sexual aggression.
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now it's true that none of us except the accused and accuser were in the room. so we'll never really know what exactly happened there, and that's why so many abusers get away with-
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... sexual abuse, because it is one person's word against another. and also, why so many victims don't speak up about it because they fear not being believed as there-
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... are usually no witnesses to such private abuse.
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and not only that, but it seems the position was created just for him! as hemant mehta from "the friendly atheist" put it in his piece, quote, "as far as i can tell-
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... rogers' murderous rampage. remember, sargon's the guy who was too disgusting and embarrassing for nigel farage, even.
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that guy. not the person you want to be palling around with if you want any credibility at all. or if you want to seriously convince people you've been falsely-
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accused of sexual misconduct. and one of his interviews, the one i just played clips from, was with one of the very worst prominent ex-muslims out there, armin navabi. this is-
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hate-filled, dangerous person they're dealing with, again, not someone you want to ally with if you want to regain credibility under a normal circumstances.
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something as outrageously offensive as, "believe women..."
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sexual predators are protected, all without a shred of self-awareness. and this isn't the first or only time either. it was the same thing-
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with krause. you can go back and listen to my two part panel episode on that, if you want a refresher. it was the same types of people that rallied around him, praised him.
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invited him on their shows. vocally defended him, minimized what he did. and it's happening again today with silverman.
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what an embarrassing train wreck of a scene.
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another one on my high iq horror story list is the neil degrass tyson appearance on-
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just before ben shapiro was trending for saying some deranged-sounding stuff about picking up a gun if people tried to teach his kids-
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about lgbt inclusivity.you want a culture war in this country? you want this country to come apart at the seams? this is how you do it.
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promise you. if you come to tell me that you're going to indoctrinate my kids in particular policy, and that i can't pull my kid out of the school and send my kids to a school i want to send them to-
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that i can't go to the church or synagogue that i want to go to-
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and if you make that national policy, not just california policy, where i can move, but national policy?
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people are not going to stand for that. they're not going to stand for that.
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if you send a truant officer to remove my child, i have two choices at that point, right? if i have no place to move, because you've now made this national-
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federal policy. i now have two choices. one, is to leave the country utterly. two, is to pick up a gun. those are the only choices that you have left me. and now people on the left, "oh, this is..."
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how could you say stuff like that? how could you be so extreme? it's not extreme to defend the fundamental rights the constitution was created in order-
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to protect. these rights preexist government. my right to raise my child in my faith is my right. that is a first amendment right.
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i'm at a loss for words on why neil would feel the need to reach across the aisle for this guy. the quebec mosque shooter's top visited twitter page was-
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ben's a known transphobe, homophobe, racist and climate change denier.
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sure, it'd be another thing if neil went on specifically to challenge shapiro on how dangerous as rhetoric is-
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but no, he went on for a friendly, casual chit-chat.
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i really don't get it. are we trapped in some weird house of mirrors, or what? what happened here?
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i miss when i believed that movement atheism and the skeptic scene was about challenging harmful nonsense.
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this event began with a christian prayer service.
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i think he deleted that one, too. i'm not sure, but i tried looking for a second clarification tweet and could not find it. so...
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i mean, when you want to hate feminists and lefties so badly that you won't even click the links you're promoting, this is bound to happen.
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the forward for stefan molyneux's book... god, it's such a disgusting interconnected web of nastiness in this scene. yeah. so...
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intellectual bankruptcy of the skeptics is-
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... unbelievable, unbearable.
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no consistent principles, such obvious biases, while claiming to be objective logic machines.
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pinker is also piling on, trying to de-legitimize news as a whole because the stories are not all happy.
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