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this is something in you. it's interesting. i was talking to somebody else about this the other day.
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what causes it? and are some people more prone to boredom than others?
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so if something is just drowning on, and on, and on.
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...that's not changing. then that's going to lead to boredom fairly obviously. the next biggest thing is meaning.
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meaning in the moment, so, is what you're doing right now meaningful to you?
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there are loads of other things. right now in the midst of this pandemic, i think...
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one of the biggest things that i think people are feeling is constrained.
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if you are unable to do the things that you want to do when you want to do them because you're locked down...
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then that's also a pretty big driver of boredom.
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then there's something- there's some interesting stuff. we haven't actually published this yet, but...
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really interesting stuff that we've looked at in the undergrad population at uw.
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on us. and the thing that's interesting about it, for me-
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so we had the same people filling out questionnaires for a number of years.
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and it looks like self-esteem at time one predicts boredom at time two and...
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don't really feel very positive about your own sort of self worth, at time one.
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two years later, or prone to boredom two years later.
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because that says to me that people who don't see themselves as being particularly effective in their pursuit of goals, are more prone to boredom.
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both kinds of people are also more prone to boredom. and i think...
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people are worried about what the future holds. and so that's probably playing into increased feelings of boredom too.
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number of people that i know have complained recently during the pandemic about being bored.
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you got video games and books and hobbies we could pick up or resume. that book we were meant to write and we...
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see, there's a great quote from a book in the mid-eighties i got from a guy called aaron clapp.
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no progress. and i think that we're having-
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but we don't feel like we have any progress because each day seems like it's the same.
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must, and this might sort of peg me as actually being the boring person, i don't.
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you know, if you think about our lives pre-pandemic...
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but you go to work for about the same period each day...
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so maybe by the time you get to the weekend, you do some different things, with different family members, and different friends.
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could say, well, my life before the pandemic was kind of mundane.
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right? and now we're locked down and you're doing the same things and...
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but the two things are probably equally mundane.
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what's changed is, you can't just shake it up if you-
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oh, i'm not going to do this thing today or, i'm...
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i think that's too easy an explanation.
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and that actually came out. it was really interesting people are ramping up their studies of this kind of stuff really quickly. it's...
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it's quite amazing to me how rapidly scientists and psychologists is among them not...
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and among other things it asked people during the experience of the lockdown in italy...
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what were the worst, what were the most negative feelings that you experienced during lockdown. at number one, was loss of freedom and number two was boredom. and i-
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watch netflix. so why does that not help?
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[inaudible 00:02:00]. but they are now and they have always been sort of passive forms of entertainment...
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right? you are sitting on the couch or wherever you are and just letting the outside world fill you up with stuff, right?
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because sometimes you don't want to actively seek out some goals.
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no, maybe always pursuing something with meaning.
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maybe, that's not something we can do, a hundred percent of the time.
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and i would suggest that sort of coincides with feeling bored. when that need to choose to do something arises.
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if you feel constrained and you can't just do the things that you want to do, or all of the options in front of you-
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you don't want to do, then you'll be bored and frustrated and agitated.
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but if you can actually just stay calm and instead of having that knee jerk reaction of trying to just outrun boredom somehow with something that immediately fills your mind-
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and i know i'm in a constrained circumstance and i know that i can't do...
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just absolutely anything i want to do.
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i got bored two weeks ago at about three o'clock in the afternoon and i...
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i mean. it's stupid, right?
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baking a cake didn't mean anything, but...
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love it. i think it's fantastic. and so i.
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i phoned my mom in australia and i said, can you give me that recipe-
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you had to dig through and find it because she hadn't baked it in a couple of decades either.
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but it satisfied my boredom in that moment because i was choosing.
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i was the one that was making the choice to do the thing.
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passive entertainment will work for a while.
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passively letting yourself be filled will work for a little while.
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think you're still going to be confronted with what boredom is confronting you with. and that is you need to choose to act.
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i don't want to give people the impression that, meaning is the only thing that's important to satisfy here.
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just the door's open button. that works, that's connected to something.
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and why is it there? it's there to make us puny little humans, feel like we matter.
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feel like our actions matter. so we have this need.
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have a really, really strong need.
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after we've done it. so i actually think, and john and i explore this in the book...
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that agency is a really critical component of boredom.
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so other than just the unpleasantness of being bored...
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we make a distinction between in-the-moment feelings. so...
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trait, boredom, proneness. and so what that's referring to is just individual differences in how often and how intensely you feel bored.
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and so for people who are highly boredom prone...
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there's really not a lot of good things associated with that.
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it's associated with a lot of challenges to mental health. we know-
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we know that boredom is strongly related to... correlated with depression.
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and that's actually something i'm in the process of trying to put together a grant to look at that because we've known about this for a very long time. but...
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boredom or depression and how does that interaction actually work?
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and it's associated with a range of other mental health challenges.
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those things like increased anxiety and interestingly-
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too. and you can sort of see this frustration coming out now in people in the pandemic.
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there's an association [inaudible 00:04:34] increased boredom and aggression.
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kind of just a hostile reaction to the external world and other people in it. that is-
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we know that highly boredom prone people are also more likely to have problems with alcohol and drugs of addiction.
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there're some hints, that problem gambling is associated with high boredom proneness and some really interesting work coming out of a guy called john eligh.
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and so we really, he sort of calls it problematic smartphone news. but.
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will increase the amount of time that they spend on their phones...
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and they're doing so as a kind of pacifier to boredom.
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there are a lot of negative things that are associated with being highly boredom prone.
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i don't think we'll ever really have a way of looking at-
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the individual trait of poor self-control or the individual trait of high levels of boredom to cause these problems of...
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have you ever met a person who said they did not get bored?
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i have. so the person i'm thinking of, and i always hate talking about this because it feels like i'm such a name dropper.
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but it's not like we're best buddies.
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so chris was one of these people that said, "only boring people get bored." and we tell this story in the book...
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but then, you probe a little bit further and you find out, no-
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you could see that you were making a difference and that your actions were working, right.
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and then he talked about, he used to really hate doing something called harrowing.
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harrowing is basically plowing an already plowed field.
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it's breaking up big bits of dirt into smaller bits of dirt. and he said he didn't like that because in front of you was a brown field and behind you was a...
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it's something else. so while he was harrowing-
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