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so again, we don't know enough about these folks to jump to any conclusions about what they support and what they don't. we know there's no evidence that they support any sort of violence.
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i don't think supporting violence is incarceration worthy either.
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cause look, the government is a violent organization.lots...
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i mean people say that kind of stuff all the time. the fact is is if you support violence in support of the state...
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...you're just a good red blooded american. but if you support violence against the state, then you're an evil anarchist.yeah.
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so i don't think that supporting violence means anything when it comes to convicting people doing violence. that's the issue.
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absolutely. and we've certainly seen plenty of examples of how the fbi actually foments violence. in a lot of cases, they will send people into these groups.right. if they can't find...
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if they can't infiltrate this group and foment violence that says to me, that's a relatively peaceful group.
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right?right. and we don't know a lot about the details of what level of infiltration they had. that's not really where this story went in its detail, but that's happening.yep.
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you know, these are people that have been pacifists for 300 years.
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they're going after dissenters, plain and simple and they're using violence as their excuse.
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even though there's no evidence that these three were involved in any violence and there's also no evidence that they supported that violence at this point.
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so if you know of anything different, we'd love to hear, i'm going to send a message to the free leah group on facebook. see if she's going to be available for interview at some point, that way we can all stop speculating.
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you know, we'll just put the question out there about what sort of actions she supports. (855) 450-free the [inaudible 00:09:07] toll free line.
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but the thing that remains to be clarified here is that they are infiltrating groups, peaceful groups, and in a lot of cases...
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it's the fbi that will attempt to foment the ideas of violence. they will attempt to encourage people to do violence or to destroy property. that has...
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site is free to use. so go to freetalklive.com, get interactive there, create the content on the site. it's all been put there by listeners just like you voted on...
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by listeners like you. go to freetalklive.com and see what that's all about. with you tonight in studio it's ian.
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let's go to the phones and to you and your thoughts then got a facebook question that came in. we'll go to tom though. first listening in new hampshire you're on free talk live, tom.
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the [robert baron's cruel team 00:00:13] may sometimes sleep. his stupidity may at some point be satiated.
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meaning that they would wish that you had overdosed on drugs, so you wouldn't be around to oppose them?
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hostility is really good at helping people break through [inaudible 00:00:27].
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putting them in a state where they're defensive and threatened.
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when's the last time a government guy lit himself on fire?
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but they will get out of the idea that they-
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i'm never going to render aid to a cop in distress. i'll let them-
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they appreciate you.they're grateful to you.yeah. they might be more likely to listen to what you have to say if you are helpful to them.
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and i was having a nice conversation with lieutenant shane maxfield here in kenne, who-
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is somebody that we actually did a ride along with, julia. you and i, long time ago after we first moved up here, wasn't too long after that.nope. nice guy.
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yep. and he's a guy who's listened to the show a number of times. he supports ending the war on drugs.
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but won't actually come out and join law enforcement against prohibition because he's afraid of the consequences of what might happen. as far as his job.a testament to what-
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kind of culture is common in police-
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departments.you mean intimidation?yeah.yeah. so i-
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got to see shane on the streets, because recently he's been dealing with, i guess running the traffic division and been kind of stuck him behind a desk. and he-
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is much like that kind of role, so get to have a nice chat with him. and it's always a good time to talk to shane because-
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we can communicate with one another. and even though we might not necessarily agree on things-
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there's communication going on, and we only agree on some things. so cops are human beings and-
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it's really dangerous, i think, to label anyone who doesn't agree with this position and also government bureaucrats. i-
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it's really dangerous to label them as enemies, i think.
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because every single one of us knows somebody in our family or you know somebody maybe we went to school with.or we were one.exactly and-
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i don't know about you, but i did not come out of the womb a principled libertarian. ian might have, but-
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and that's really the thing that when you hurt the least of these, you're hurting yourself.
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versions of those folks, you're casting dispersions at people like you because-
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when we started doing the show in 2002, ian, you were just your average libertarian and i was just a rush limbaugh dittohead who could be talked to about marijuana.
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and that was really about it. and then little by little, as time goes by with the listeners making relevant points and things like that-
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we've come to the conclusions that we've come to but-
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tom's the kind of guy, he reminds me of scott the bigot in some ways. you get the feeling that he is so angry at this one group.
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scott the bigot's angry at people who are different color and gender than him, but-
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i've been angry at them before, i get it. and then i had a turning point in my life where i wasn't anymore.
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and i think that being able to really connect with the government guys was something, a major factor that helped me get over that issue.
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well, we're fortunate in keene, new hampshire, the government is very accessible here. the police officers are pretty nice for police-
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most of them.obviously they've done some things that are less than honorable, but overall you can talk to them, they're not too scary to approach.right.
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and i think that when you do that, when you alienate them and dehumanize them and talk about them in the way that tom was talking about it, not only will you not convince them, but-
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you're not going to convince anybody that your ideas are worthwhile because all of these other people have, "my brother's a cop, he's not a bad guy. why would you say things about..."
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so it's just, it's ineffective and it's not nice.
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but on the other hand i'm not going to back down from holding them accountable. when they do something wrong, i'm going to call them out for doing something wrong.
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but similarly, when they do something right, i'm going to thank them and appreciate them for doing something right. because they need to have feedback. if all they think is that the people just love us-
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[inaudible 00:02:14]well, there is a culture of cop lovers around.
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i mean, if you look at the video that we're talking about over the weekend with derrick j. having his door opened on his car, this is now the number one video on friday when we had a demo on to talk about it.
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it was the number three video on cop block. it had shot up big time and it jumped up another hundred thousand views between friday and saturday.
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there's a huge amount of police worship and just the flading of our protectors on there as though, oh-
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well, but that's what they believe. they believe you vote for the people who made the laws so therefore you must want all of these laws, like car inspections and things like that.
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so there is a pretty big police worshiping culture out there and it's tough to deal with that. and i'm sure in the same way that we're seeped in our liberty culture-
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and a lot of us are surrounded by people that believe the similar ideas, similarly, the police are surrounded by people-
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except for some of the thugs that they might deal with in their day-to-day job, they're surrounded by their cheerleaders as well.
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so i think it's important for average folks to give them feedback about what they don't appreciate and let them know that they do appreciate the things they do right.
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like when they pulled out the parking meters here in keene, i told the chief of police, "thank you for that." i said that, "you did the right thing. i appreciate that."
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so i think feedback's important. and the more of it they get, the better.
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well, fortunately, we're in a city where you really can give feedback. there are a lot of police officers that are difficult to approach-
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your feedback. and you certainly can't go into the department and give your feedback.
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no doubt about it. this is a place... and that's one of the reasons why new hampshire is such a great destination for liberty activists, because-
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even in a place like manchester, which is four times the size of keene, you can still connect with these people. you can still-
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go right back into your phone calls. but first mark, tell me about [inaudible 00:04:18].
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they're complicit. if there's a bad one, they don't care.
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i do all kinds of things that i would prefer not to do, like pay taxes, for example, because i feel like i have no choice.
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well, i know because i work a job and they take it. i don't have that.
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you can do exempt, but they'll... it depends on the company you work for, but like my company looks at them and if you're not exempt they'll give it back to you and say, "fill this out."
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there's rules on what qualifies you for...
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this is just all the evidence that one needs. that it-
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well, the good news is you don't have to renounce citizenship because there is no such thing.
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people who have sworn an oath to protect and uphold the constitution and don't, those are the people.
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maybe it's because they're dealing with arresting peaceful people who've never harmed anyone else. and they can't understand why they're doing that. why they continue to engage in those acts.or maybe they're-
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absolutely. the people who are going to do this stuff are generally the police. i don't appreciate that.
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effectively means that these police departments are basically citizen disarming, brigades, if you don't-
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so, have you ever gotten bad customer service from a police officer? because i certainly have-
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... not even allowed to talk about it. otherwise we should just leave the country-
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... getting paid for it. and if i were to continue this behavior, i would eventually be fired, which is something that we don't really see with police officers-
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... you in a jail cell and then ruin your life for several years by making you go through the legal-
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oh, that's exciting. can you tell me more about it?
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yeah, he's got a great system and his book's a real eye-opener. i mean it's something i recommend-
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did get the judge to say that he worked for the, that he represented the state and that the prosecutor represented the state.
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yep. that's true. i did do that. so sometimes it's fun, but ultimately around here, you know, they're wise to our plans.
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so i can only imagine just pumping this stuff over into their... and for all their employees to hear.
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i know i'm sorry. 855-453, the [sacle 00:01:42] cai toll free line. i was all excited, hoping they were broadcasting in denver and they're not.
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i don't know, that's an okay speculation. but what would the fcc do to you?
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yeah, well, they could hit you with a $10,000 fine.
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is he suggesting that you'd be fired or that he just doesn't have time to...?
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bitinstant.com is the place to go to get bitcoins. it's the fastest, safest and easiest way to get your bitcoins. ian, you're working on getting some right now?
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i've heard it is. i just, i just never get to the bank.
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okay. well, here's the basic idea. part of the idea-
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