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no, i don't believe her. i was believing her call until the meatpacking.
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about how verbalsurgery.com changes you from the inside out, so check out my-
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all right, our number her, again, (855) 450-free. mark, you've been talking about the oklahoma situation, where apparently... is it a law that has been passed-yes.or one being repealed?
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i see. so presumably there was something that prevented it at some point, so i guess-
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see how you can say, "a right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," and then infringe it even on felon.
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derek jay freeman isn't a civil disobedient who gives them all kinds of trouble, so the expectation that cops are not going to give trouble back when the opportunity to do that is kind of unlike-
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and they were... they gave up their time, their money, and they went north to help as american citizens, and they were-
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yeah, i don't understand it. i guess people that have negative things to say are more likely to say them; i think that's probably a factor as to why things are like that.
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that's pretty good. we can do that here in new hampshire. now, what is the law like there in new york?
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okay, so it's a permit open carry, so you cannot open carry without permission from the new york state government. now, where did you say you were listening tonight, in new york?
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is it frustrating to you? are you a gun owner in new york?
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you mean amend the constitution?in some way.clearly they don't need to do that. they can just pass whatever law they want locally, and the cops will enforce it, because the cops don't care what the constitution says, and so-apparently-
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right. the cops don't care, the politicians don't care, and the judges will back them up.
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i see.that's why you buy a private sale.it's one of those things where you can't buy it yourself, but you can still have it.
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lawrence. don't know how they figured your name was mark. go ahead, lawrence. sorry about that.
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wait, wait a second. you had the 1911, or the armed robber had a 1911?
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i don't know if that's true. the more politicians speak, the more i want to turn it off, because they're all a bunch of liars, and thieves, and crooks.[inaudible 00:03:51].
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just to clarify, ted, do you want these candidate tv shows you're talking about, do you want them to blather on to a camera, or do you want somebody there asking challenging questions?
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but really, i get it, man. if you like democrats and republicans, no matter what they serve up, then just do... vote whatever you're going to vote for.well, we-
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you saw what hope and change brought you; just another democrat.
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"best interest" means they want big government programs from both the right and the left.
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as soon as people started [crosstalk 00:04:25] to take the license; as soon as people accepted the idea that they had to be licensed in order to travel, that's what ruined it, right?
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well, it's a misunderstanding, and that's why i'm glad you brought it up, so we had the chance to address that here. what else did you want to share?
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i'm with you, jamal? [crosstalk 00:04:40]. why are you concerned, though? you're up in toronto; does it really affect you that much there?
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i see. that's got to be annoying. what's worse, is it the canadian border guards or the u.s. border guards?
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thanks for the call, dave, i do appreciate hearing from you tonight. i don't know if i believe his claim about medicare having one and a half percent overhead. that seems-
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hi christina. we were just talking about your debate. you're on free talk live, and we are live on the air. so welcome to the show.
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[inaudible 00:00:19] in chicago, right off the [inaudible 00:00:20] michigan.
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is it still too late to get tickets or can folks walk up and get in the day of?
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it was a people's holiday back in europe. like a worker-
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in people that call themselves anarchists [inaudible 00:00:40].
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there's no evidence that they've committed any violent crimes, otherwise they'd be charged with it.
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the fifth amendment say that you have no obligation to incriminate yourself.
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[inaudible 00:00:55] that the investigators don't know what to do when people won't snitch on each other because criminals just snitch on each other.
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and usually they've got this... yes. and what they've got is they've got this kind of personal property versus-
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i've seen what happens with community property and it's an ugly thing. it's an-
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welfare housing in any city. i mean, it's just like the project's just nasty, awful place to live.
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i will collect a portion of your purchase total. so when you go to shop.freetalklive.com, pick the right one for you. there's amazon uk-
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amazon canada and of course, amazon us. go to whichever one's best for you-
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and do your shopping and feel good because you're getting the stuff you want and you're helping free talk live at the same time.
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once again, shop.freetalklive.com. there are some other vendors there like newegg as well. and if you shop through the newegg links then we'll get a much smaller percentage, but we'll get something.
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the amazon deal is certainly the best one for free talk live. it's on that page. we'll continue with your calls here in a moment, but i want to make sure you know about the free state project.
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freestateproject.org. now with over 13,000 people on board.exciting.if every-
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we've been saying this for years, but if everyone who's a free state project member could just find one person, we'd be at 20,000.
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tomorrow.yeah. if everyone could do it tomorrow. if you could do it by the end of the year, that'd be great.
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but if you could find one loved one, one friend, who has not yet signed on that maybe wants to, and then help them, walk them through the process of signing on, that would be fantastic.
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because we've seen a nice little uptick in the amount of people that have been signing up for the [crosstalk 00:02:39] project recently bump.
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and i think if things continue at the same level they're at, then we'll be at 20,000 within a couple of years, which would be nice.
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because i remember original projections being sometime in like 2026 or something.
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so things have definitely been increasing. and i expect to see that happen as we get closer to 20,000.
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like as that number that... because 20,000 is the goal, we're at 13 now.
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so as that number gets closer and closer, hopefully there'll be more people who've been waiting in the wings to see-
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yeah we'll all sign on if it gets to 15,000. i'll sign on at 19,000 or whatever it is that people tell themself.
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also, whatever media there is, whatever buzz there is about the increase of signup.
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sure. just the more there is, the more there is. success breeds success. so hopefully we'll see that signup rate continue to increase.
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frankly, to me, the 20,000 number doesn't really matter at all.
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i mean, i understand that that's the trigger that some people are probably... it's the trigger for the project. at 20,000, you're supposed to have five years to pick up and move.
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but it's not like they've got a team of mercenaries that's going to go out there and drag everybody at the five-year mark into new hampshire. so, i mean, it's still a voluntary situation.
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the people that truly want to move voluntarily are picking up and moving voluntarily now.
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doing it already. so i mean, to me, the 20,000 number doesn't mean anything because we already have success here in new hampshire.
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and success is what's breeding the signups [crosstalk 00:04:18] and the moves and all that sort of thing. i mean-
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the fact that new hampshire had a 12% budget cut for the state budget, and i don't think any other state did-no.that to me speaks volumes.
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if you love the ideas of liberty, you understand what it means to be free, that you have to allow others to be free.
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then go to freestateproject.org, learn more, get the hundred and one reasons to move to new hampshire and get signed up, and then find somebody else to sign up too so we can get there sooner rather than later.
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once again, freestateproject.org, as we continue the fbi investigating so-called anarchists in the northwest.
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but also the northeast we've had the fbi attempt to infiltrate our happy little group of activists up here and...
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well, but people do call them... some of the people up here call themselves anarchists.
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i don't like the term personally, but some people still, they're "ooh, it's sexy being an anarchist. it's dangerous."
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it's got that, like a pirate, [arrr 00:02:49] pirates weren't cool, man. they didn't do cool things, but there's that sexy pirate factor.
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i don't know if pirates are sexy. i don't think anybody thinks that.tough.yeah.
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yeah. okay. well the excitement part is probably attractive to some people.
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but according to the search warrant unsealed this week, the government claims that tens of thousands of dollars in damages resulted from the may 1st actions in seattle.
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largely due to attacks on the william kenzo nakamura courthouse and a few private businesses in the vicinity.
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video footage obtained from the scene has been endlessly analyzed by fbi detectives who have in weeks and months since tried to build a case to file charges against the suspects, none of whom are reported to include the three persons asked to testify.
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that investigation has led to filing, not just subpoenas against the pacific northwest three, but executing no fewer than five search warrants in july that aimed to recover cell phones, computers, clothes...
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and literature from plant, her peers and others believed to be in cahoots.clothes.any local anarchists.that...
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yeah. and their computers and their anarchist literature.
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you can see why you might take a computer. you could find a lot of information on the computer. it is a information storage device.
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i'm not saying i support it. i think that there's some real problems with just wandering in and taking people's...
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yeah. i don't like the idea that because i know people who are anarchists, that they get to come in and take my stuff. that's not cool.
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i'm not plotting any violence and nobody i know is plotting any violence, which is why the fbi never gets anywhere with whatever investigations they're doing.
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plenty of places. it harasses the heck out of people.
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well, they haven't done to us in the northeast what they've done to these folks in the northwest. so...
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some of them actually are you're right about that. i'm just saying, whenever they're investigating here, they don't get anywhere because there's nothing for them to find out.
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the movement here is peaceful. and anybody that comes in and starts advocating violence is ostracized.
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so they're given the chance to change their mind. people attempt to persuade them otherwise, but otherwise they are just basically shut out for the most part.
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and as it was being explained, one of the tenants of one of these sort of anarcho-socialist types is direct action.
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and that often means violence or vandalism and that kind of thing. so...
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i don't doubt that people that are violent in these groups are probably not kicked out.
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in addition to being met with silence from the northwest three, the trove of evidence uncovered by the authorities has so far left them unable to release an indictment, targeting their suspects.
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indeed, or instead, rather they have been left with cell phones that according to the unsealed affidavit contain text messages, describing the may day protest as awesome.
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but nothing more remotely noteworthy, or at least not enough to file charges. while plant has since been freed from prison while she was held in solitary confinement for refusing to comply with the grand jury...
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both [oljnik 00:05:57] and duran remain behind bars as investigators wait to see if they'll be willing to speak. what prosecutors decided to do is choose people and punish them for their association.
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an attorney, jen kaplan, tells the seattle times, to the paper, a counsel for [oljanik 00:06:12] as the grand jury investigation specifically sought answers from the anarchist about someone that she knows.
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before being imprisoned and released plant said that a freedom of information act request she filed revealed the grand jury was first convened in march, two months before the vandalism she's being questioned about even occurred.
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before being held in contempt of court plant wrote "the government wants to use grand juries to collect information that it can use in a campaign of repression."
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"i refuse to have any part of it. i will never answer their questions. i will never speak."
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an attorney for duran adds that while their client isn't being suspected or accused in the may 1st vandalism in seattle, the associations that exist within the community are enough to keep him under the fbi's radar.
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the intended result, many fear, is of chilling effect on a community of like-minded individuals that could soon enshroud other groups of activists and outspoken youths.
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one of the attorneys says one of our concerns was they were really targeting him because they perceived him to be associated with the anarchist community. it's kind of a fishing expedition.
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