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kind of piqued my interest. soony sad was with kansas city for a few years, went and played in thailand, and is now back.
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i'll say it, there was a rumor that he, that sunil may have had relations with vermes' daughter.
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...for them. upon hearing that i was, you know, that made things clear that maybe that was vermes' plan of-
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yeah. see, i don't it's it is kind of.
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... talked about how, how he might have the right intent, but he really doesn't. he's not helping anything at all.
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no, i know. and i have been longing to see this distinction for so long.
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...and i and still am. i think the way she gets treated by is islamists and the kind of risks she takes to put herself out there. i think she's fantastic.
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certainly, i understand the reason why someone would say that. and before you got to the last sentence-
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now living in the capitals of europe.
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and so i understand how alarming all that is.
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...that includes people like future ions as you've said. it includes people like myself.
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...would agree with that. i think he's just, he is pointing out kind of hypocrisy that just, i think he recognizes that it's inadmissible-
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i think we accept black pride.
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so are you saying that you don't understand why that is, or it shouldn't be like that, or we should be able to celebrate white pride.
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no, i think that's the, at minimum, an idiotic-
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...the point lowry was making and the point that i think douglas was making, or at least would agree with-
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or at least they're going to want, many of them are going to want their identity politics. and that just seems like a-
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...you will by definition be getting some percentage and we can maybe only guess as to what the percentages are, but you'll get some percentage-
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...and i think douglas would certainly agree with me-
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...and the immediate need to get our heads together about it is-
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and enoch was talking about, i think, immigration in terms of race. so he talked about how there was a white woman-
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...douglas' concern, i'm sure. i think it's reasonable to worry whether we are witnessing the destruction of europe.
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europe is going to have much more of the character of the middle east today, then the europe you and know and love.
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that certainly seems possible to me and it's worth worrying about. and that would-
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who knows. if you told me the odds were 50, 50. i wouldn't find a good reason to tell you they weren't. now, if you told me that about the united states or canada...
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...so that's a measure of how different the problem is in europe. and that's largely, it's not entirely due to the recent migration crisis, but-
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...that won't stop the ideology that is concerning from spreading anyway and possibly-
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i think just stopping muslims from entering won't stop that ideology from spreading. we've got to have something-
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you know, have to deal with those attitudes as well and...
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to show them that it's okay to be gay and this is perfectly compatible with our curriculum, yet people freaked out
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and backed away, but i don't know, somehow when it's muslims they do.
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yeah, which he and i don't really align there, but this
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... is.right. equally is the bad part. i agree.yeah, is to be confused about what's going on in the world.
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is bringing us isis and this now global and pervasive concern for terrorism. and then to have
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the... i do think it's a problem that i try to grapple with to some degree in my book, waking up. i think there are...
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some of these happen in muslim contexts as well. i mean, i don't, obviously...
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...and attention where life becomes very different when you look at-
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do you think these people were all either conscious frauds or
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...to digest in my work at least some of the time. but it's very easy to see how-
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...and it explains-
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...douglas's kind of shorthand and lack of patience, i think. it certainly explains mine, when i get in that mood.
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it's the fact that the so-called moderate muslim community is
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to see how majid is treated among so-called moderate muslims. i mean, it's just, it is unbelievable.
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...and the reason she said she couldn't come is because she has 80,000 followers. that was literally her reason.
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what the hell. i'm not even sure how to interpret that.
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...but she runs the gallup center for the middle east, the kind of gallops middle east polling department.
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at the moment, crystallized, you just have to look at the treatment [diahann 00:01:23] got on the daily show from jon stewart.
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that there's a large group that listens to you, but then it's the same group. how do we read?
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the opposite side. that's what i'm always trying to figure out.
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yeah, okay. i understand if you hate me, right. but you take majid's half of that conversation.
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did you see that video of a school teacher in the uk, who had interviewed for her job
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and insisted that it was her right to be this way and when they wanted to dismiss her, she brought a lawsuit against the school board or the school.
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and this is something that i don't think i'd do. i mean, even someone like donald trump who
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...you have two reasons to want to help them. i mean, they're coming out of the same war torn area that the muslims are coming out of, but-
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...from a source that they don't like.
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merits any kind of sympathetic engagement and that's why our politics is so dysfunctional. and that's why...
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...just is there something to learn from this person? i mean how did you get to be the way you are and what, what is it like to-
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...then you would run the risk of looking like you just gave a dangerous person a platform and...
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and how do you know these same people are atheists? do you think that there really is overlap there or that you're just hearing from both crowds now?
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big truckload of trolls to diahann after she did an interview with bbc saying that...
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...once you have a podcast and...
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where you really need to worry about the skeletons in a person's closet, but
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...i can only imagine it's happening to me because i know i'm doing it to other people, i know. and the example i gave was robert spencer.
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...then it makes it very difficult for people who are on the actual-
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...show. it's like, why are you trying to find common ground with this strange rape apologist? this is not-
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that's just something that would be embarrassing to fall victim to,
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lays down a very tight five minutes of audio against islam and against political correctness,
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...what it's like to be in a social situation with a known murderer, or i mean you see some of these interviews. i mean, it's like you see the-
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a warm charismatic not obviously off-putting guy.
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...all of your-
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...all the appropriate social cues of a friendly encounter would be given. and that's-
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and it was brilliant. tommy is also very charismatic and speaks very well, and
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it's like you know there's something up with that.
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the fact that even fundamentalist christians in the west seem not all that concerned or cognizant of ...
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and you never lived in pakistan?
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which, until somewhat recently was a...
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and i, again, i can't judge the merits of all of those inclusions or not. i think the existence of the list...
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...is probably objectionable on its face because it, its suggests that-
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...given the other work that the law center does, it suggests that people like pam geller-
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well, i think that people are making the mistake of using the same scale as muslim extremists. when, i mean, i completely disagree with this.
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that's what the southern poverty law center is tacitly doing by creating that list, because that's the kind of group they have gone after in the past.
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and if they get... if there's any prominent person who he differentiates himself from who does have that problem and for whom that accusation is.
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i mean, there's zero of that in me,
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the word over. this is a disaster for muslims first.
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well, honestly, i think you are mistaken about them all. i just think you have encountered them in different moments and with different job descriptions, and ...
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we shouldn't be sterilized. this is a waste of time. this doesn't help anyone.
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again, but you see, you're catching people. i mean, that's part of his shtick at the moment, and this may be the problem you have with dave as well.
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there are people who are unethical. there are people who are actually mean, just really mean spirited.
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...and i'm not aware of knowing anyone who knows him personally. i've since met someone who actually worked for him, or whose sister worked for him for a very long time-
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i have some secondhand-
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...and someone like reza aslan, in my dealings with him, i know enough about the guy to know that he's actually not an ethical person.
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and again, this is an area wherein... this is a gray area in the sense that...
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then there's another story of a german girl who made up a story about being raped by muslim immigrant when she wasn't.
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...anne marie, who's living much closer to that reality than i am just-
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not letting anyone in for the moment. right? because this problem is, again, it's like the trump line. until we understand the nature of this problem ...
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...really impossible to imagine. but for the fact that it seems to have occurred-
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...you just can't believe the masochism of the left could be taken to that extreme-
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that was like... stayed and... but one story like that...
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.. anne marie waters, who's one of the few people talking about it,
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it's what's so excruciating about this. it's like you know no process of screening will be perfect and you know that there's only one group.
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